Ep 1010 | Jase Is Forced to Issue a Correction for What He Said About Missy

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Episode: Ep 1010 | Jase Is Forced to Issue a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Release Date: December 19, 2024

Unashamed with the Robertson Family, hosted by Blaze Podcast Network, is a vibrant platform where Phil, Al, Jase, Zach, and special guests share their Christian faith through engaging conversations, personal stories, and biblical insights. In Episode 1010, titled "Jase Is Forced to Issue a Correction for What He Said About Missy," the Robertson family delves into topics ranging from personal health journeys to profound spiritual discussions, culminating in Jase addressing a misquotation incident involving Missy.

1. Health Updates and Personal Experiences

The episode begins with heartfelt updates about the family's health, showcasing their vulnerability and reliance on faith during challenging times.

• Phil Robertson shares about Lisa’s six-month oncology follow-up after her battle with breast cancer.
  “The surgery was amazing. All the prayers have been fantastic... it’s always a reminder that we’re still in this.”
  (00:36)

• Al Robertson discusses his upcoming colonoscopy at 46 years old, adding a lighthearted touch to the conversation.
  “I'm excited about it.”
  (01:20)

• Zach Dasher recounts his own colonoscopy experience with humor and candidness, offering relatable advice to listeners.
  “When you drink that shake, be closer to the commode than I was. I was 12ft away.”
  (02:08)

2. Faith and Spiritual Insights

The Robertson family transitions into deeper spiritual discussions, intertwining personal anecdotes with biblical teachings.

• Zach Dasher reflects on a sermon about spiritual boredom, emphasizing the active presence of the Holy Spirit in believers’ lives.
  “If you're bored in your faith, so is God... you have the spirit of the Creator of the universe in your mortal body.”
  (13:52)

• Al Robertson shares insights from his other podcast featuring a couple from Silicon Valley who found peace and fulfillment through quiet, community-focused living. He highlights the biblical encouragement for a quiet life as articulated in First Thessalonians 4.
  “Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life... so that your daily life may win the respect of others and outsiders.”
  (17:24)

3. Media, Filmmaking, and Christian Storytelling

The conversation shifts towards the importance of Christian representation in media and filmmaking.

• Phil Robertson discusses the significance of Christian films in shaping cultural narratives and upcoming projects like Angel Studios' "Homestead."
  “Homestead becomes about humanity... shows live on now, so who knows where it'll wind up.”
  (17:39)

• Al Robertson praises Homestead for its portrayal of apocalyptic scenarios with moral dilemmas, emphasizing the film's ability to engage audiences on profound spiritual and ethical issues.
  “It's a very, very good movie. I highly recommend it.”
  (18:27)

4. Correction and Clarification

A pivotal moment in the episode involves Jase Robertson addressing a misquotation incident concerning Missy, showcasing the family's commitment to integrity and accountability.

• Zach Dasher acknowledges a mistake in quoting Missy, clarifying her actual statement.
  “She said, I said 'rules for thee, but not for me.'”
  (21:34)

• Phil Robertson and Al Robertson both express understanding and support as Zach corrects the misquote, reinforcing the importance of accurate representation.
  Phil: “She’s like, that’s why she doesn’t listen to the podcast.”
  (21:39)
  Al: “That makes a lot of sense.”
  (21:40)

• Zach Dasher further elaborates on the significance of the correction, linking it to broader themes of grace and forgiveness as demonstrated through Biblical narratives, such as President Biden's pardon of his son.
  “That's mirroring what we believe happened with Jesus... it's about grace and forgiveness.”
  (22:11)

5. Biblical Discussions: Baptism and Equality

The Robertson family engages in an in-depth discussion on theological interpretations of baptism, equality, and the Great Commission.

• Zach Dasher explores the multifaceted nature of baptism, referencing Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:27, Matthew 28, and Mark 16 to discuss its significance in Christian life and identity.
  “We were baptized into his death, so that just as Christ was raised from the dead... we too may live a new life.”
  (47:16)

• Phil Robertson emphasizes the unity and equality found in Christ, contrasting it with societal divisions, and underscores the transformational power of baptism as a public proclamation of faith.
  “In Christ all are the same, no matter your background or status.”
  (52:20)

• Al Robertson advocates for a clear understanding of equality versus equity, drawing parallels with the Trinity to illustrate that while members are distinct, they are equal in essence.
  “There’s no one member more God than the others... they are equal when it comes to their Godness.”
  (28:51)

6. Closing Remarks and Future Directions

The episode concludes with reflections on the discussed topics and a teaser for future conversations, highlighting the continuous journey of faith and learning within the Robertson family.

• Phil Robertson and Al Robertson hint at upcoming discussions that will delve deeper into theological concepts and their practical applications in everyday life.
  “We don’t want you to miss it. Don’t miss Homestead in theaters December 20th.”
  (18:51)
  “We'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed.”
  (52:48)

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• “The surgery was amazing. All the prayers have been fantastic... it’s always a reminder that we’re still in this.”
  — Phil Robertson (00:36)

• “If you're bored in your faith, so is God... you have the spirit of the Creator of the universe in your mortal body.”
  — Zach Dasher (13:52)

• “She said, I said 'rules for thee, but not for me.'”
  — Zach Dasher (21:34)

• “We were baptized into his death, so that just as Christ was raised from the dead... we too may live a new life.”
  — Zach Dasher (47:16)

Conclusion

Episode 1010 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family weaves together personal health stories, humorous anecdotes, and profound spiritual discussions, all underscored by the family's unwavering commitment to their Christian faith. The episode not only addresses a significant correction made by Jase but also delves deep into theological interpretations that resonate with both new and longtime believers. Through authentic conversations and relatable experiences, the Robertson family continues to inspire and encourage their audience to live unashamed lives grounded in their faith.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're going in for our. Lisa's got her six month oncology follow up, you know, because she had the breast cancer. Everything's been great. The surgery was amazing. All the prayers have been fantastic. So now every six months, you got to go and, you know, just make sure nothing new has popped up or whatever. So it's a. It's always. It's always a reminder that, you know, we're still in this. I thought I told her about. We prayed about it today and because you never want to just take that for granted. It's like once you've dealt with something, you know, it's just like. But it's always a reminder that, you know, we're on this earth. It's just you got stuff you got to deal with.

[Al Robertson]

You know, time keeps marching on.

[Phil Robertson]

It keeps marching.

[Al Robertson]

You know what?

[Phil Robertson]

You know what?

[Al Robertson]

I'm scheduled for Al at 46 years old.

[Phil Robertson]

Your first colon check.

[Al Robertson]

A little thing we like to call it colonoscopy.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, it's fun, Zach.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, let me just give you.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a barrel. Alas, that night before.

[Al Robertson]

I'm excited about it.

[Zach Dasher]

I don't know where they're at in the colonoscopy procedure. Yeah. But the last time. I think it's the only time I had that procedure.

[Phil Robertson]

Still bad.

[Zach Dasher]

It's been a while, but I will give you some words of advice. I think I shared this before. They handed me what looked like a strawberry milkshake. I don't know if they still do this. And they said, we're going to. We want you to drink this and it'll clean you out. So I'm going to give you some words of advice.

[Phil Robertson]

And that's a short statement, but it means a lot.

[Zach Dasher]

I was in a hospital bed when they handed this to me. They were trying to. I had some. Something. Some kind of parasite or something. They couldn't figure out what was wrong.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, so you did yours as a test?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, it was a test.

[Phil Robertson]

It wasn't a screen.

[Zach Dasher]

We Were trying to. Look, here's my advice. When you drink, said shake, be closer to the commode than I was. I was 12ft away. I would recommend everyone, if they hand you a shake, go ahead and go to the bathroom. Although that's not a normal place to eat and drink.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Be sitting on that pot when you drink that because that was, that was really incredible. It was molten lava with such force that it literally lifted me off the commode and I mean within 12 seconds.

[Al Robertson]

But you did make it, did you make it to the commode?

[Zach Dasher]

I mostly made it and at that point it didn't really matter, but I just thought, is this what we're doing? And I told the nurse, I said, hey, how about a heads up on handing me that shake? She's like, what? I was like, because that's clean up on all four. She said, well, that doesn't normally affect people that way. I said, well, we need an amendment. Some people may cause immediate.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, as soon as that hit.

[Zach Dasher]

Your stomach, I just couldn't believe it. I thought, what are we doing here? So that's my only words of advice. It's really the only thing I remember. I do remember when I came to. Because they put you under.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

There was a nurse pushing my wheelchair. I mean they put me in a wheelchair. There's nothing wrong with me, but you know how they procedure.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And she had a grin on her face. And I said, what's so funny? That's when I came to as I'm. I just looked up my thoughts.

[Phil Robertson]

You don't want to come out of a. I'm back a deep sleep and people are laughing. That makes you a little bit selfish.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. And she was, she was, she was laughing and there was a couple of her friends there. I had a little posse that was my friends.

[Al Robertson]

You mean colleagues like other nurses?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, it was, they were, they were joking around and I, in the moment, I didn't mean it hateful, but I just said, I'm sitting here buck naked with a little gown on and they're laughing. And I said, what's so funny? And she said, well, you invited the whole wing to a fish fry. And you were, you were talking about you were going to share. Jesus. And I said, really? I said, well, why is that funny? And they just. She said, well, I thought it was funny that you're just inviting everybody that we pass. So I thought, you know, you went.

[Phil Robertson]

Highways and byways on your, you know.

[Zach Dasher]

That'S a pretty good condition. That made you feel out in the spirit world. And I'm inviting people to fish fries.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, she had some laughing because she said you were just cussing, you know, when you came to, then you would start worrying.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm worried.

[Al Robertson]

I'm worried what I'm going to say or do.

[Phil Robertson]

I see. I do, too. That there's no. I can't wait to hear from Jill.

[Al Robertson]

I may or may not have said some things when I got another procedure that Jill was in. That's what I'm in the room with me.

[Zach Dasher]

Prepare your told me what I said.

[Al Robertson]

I was like, I don't know where that came from, Jill, but it was not true. I don't know what I. Yeah, well.

[Zach Dasher]

That'S what my other advice was going to be, Zach, is to prepare your speech now that you give in the spirit world. Which made me rethink my idea when it said Jesus, you know, in First Peter 3, went and spoke to the spirits. And, you know, I actually think that he was talking about those on the ark. However, I was preaching a sermon in the spirit because I was not aware. I had no memory. You know, it seemed like I was going to have this procedure, and the next thing I knew, I was in a wheelchair with nurses laughing.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And there is something in the Bible a lot in the Old Testament, especially about the subconscious level communications through dreams. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in there about that.

[Zach Dasher]

So she also said I tried to get up on the table during the procedure and like, you know, I just tried to get up.

[Phil Robertson]

That's not.

[Zach Dasher]

And I thought, nah, y'all. Y'all might should have given me a little more of that dose that's on you.

[Phil Robertson]

You don't want to be getting up.

[Zach Dasher]

I think I said, I'm out of here.

[Al Robertson]

I love the fact that we started the podcast so we don't have a cold open. And Jay said, I will figure it out. And this is what, like, literally completely unplugged.

[Phil Robertson]

You brought it up.

[Al Robertson]

I did bring it up. I didn't know where we'd go, but, like, this is where we figured it out.

[Zach Dasher]

We figured out.

[Al Robertson]

You brought up opening story.

[Zach Dasher]

The cola. And I had a hot take on that because that's what that developed into.

[Phil Robertson]

So the problem is that now, unlike I didn't realize Jason's was some sort of test in the hospital, but for a screening, they give you, Jace, about two or three of those bottles and you have a schedule. You take one at this time, then about three hours later, you take another one and then the last one. This is what got me. So I mean, you're on the pot all night. You know, you start this process like early evening and then they say you take the last bottle of it at 1am and so I'm like. And I'm reporting in at 5:30 to do it this thing. So basically what you're saying is there's no sleep because you can't go to sleep if you're going to take the last one at one guess where you're going to be from about one till 3:30. So by then it's 3:30, it's time to get up and go get the thing done. So the worst part about it is you don't get any sleep and you feel terrible the next day. But the best part about it is when they knock you out for that hour, however long it is, it's the best sleep you've ever had. But when you wake up, you feel terrible because you didn't get any sleep tonight. For some anyway, it's not. I have to do it every five years, you know, because I have polyps or whatever. So this year is, is an even years, the division of five. So next year I'll have to get it done again. And I just dread it, you know. But you know, well, it is a lot of people die from colon cancer that don't have to because if you'd got the test you'd know. And so it's very treatable.

[Al Robertson]

Say 45, you're supposed to get one.

[Phil Robertson]

So you're doing the right thing. And I want to encourage people out there because look, it's Johnny Howard always says, because Johnny found his early and he, you know, it would have killed him if he hadn't been checked. So it was kind of.

[Zach Dasher]

No, I'm glad you brought it up because I wanted to impart that wisdom. So get close to the commode and work on your speech.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, those are encouraging.

[Zach Dasher]

And you're, you know, look into what you talk about when, when, when you're just not aware of what you're speaking about. I thought that was interesting.

[Phil Robertson]

Pretty good. So I'm loving it. Maddie, this is what happens when you have a podcast with old men. Just these are kind of cold opens. You get into, oh, by feeling older.

[Zach Dasher]

I went actually I had a rare. We're in the split of duck season and I had a rare getting the band back together on the treasure hunt yesterday.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it's funny Jason said that because right now Fox is promoting Fox Nation and so they show all their different things and they had some Pretty interesting stuff out there. And the last shot they have and it's just a quick one, like a second. It's you, Murray. Sigh. And Jeff, it's just like a, it's. Oh, by the way, we got these guys too. So I just thought it was interesting that they're running that.

[Zach Dasher]

I actually saw that and I thought, well, I guess we're still in the game. And look, we're thankful for Unashamed Nation for that venture. I, I keep saying I'm not sure what the Lord is going to do with that. I think it's the best show that very few people have watched, however, I mean, considering humanity is a big place. But I do think I was proud of the God family. Treasure hunting in that vein was portrayed, I think in a noble way. So.

[Phil Robertson]

And look, shows live on, I mean shows live on now, so who knows where it'll wind up.

[Zach Dasher]

Here's what's crazy about yesterday. We went to one of the places that we actually filmed and it was the first time me, Jelp and Murray have been together since, since for filming for the show. What's so funny is Jelp had none of his equipment. He borrowed some.

[Phil Robertson]

Things never changed.

[Zach Dasher]

Murray was like, oh, I got there at 7:00. Jep and his buddy rolled in at 9:30. I mean, two and a half hours. And so we're out there. So we have a rookie out there, Jep's friend, who's actually Murray's son in law. And wouldn't you know it, we hunted all day and nobody even said bye. Look, you know how I left, it was about. I'd been there since 7. I looked up at 3:30 and no one's there because you get so into your world. I mean, we, we ate lunch together. We, we, you know, shared our finds and all this and they were just gone. Which I found out later. They just went to another field. But it wasn't like, hey Jace. Where I called Murray. I was like, what happened? You know, and he's like, yeah, we went to another field. But the rookie who Jepp's buddy was, this.

[Phil Robertson]

Is this Blake? Yeah. Okay.

[Zach Dasher]

Blake found the best thing. He found a 1941, I mean, 1941. He found an 1841 silver dime in a place we've hunted about five times. Which shows you, you never find it all and didn't even know what it was. I mean, it was a seated liberty. We look at a coin and we're like, we instantly know. And he's like, I found something weird. And so everybody hoot and holler. But it kind of made me think about where we're at as far as new creations. And, you know, when you first get in a treasure hunt, it's so fun. Every find as you're running around acting just crazy and. Which he was, he was more shocked, I think, and just bewildered. But he hunted after that harder than all of us. Even when we broke for lunch, he didn't.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

He was like, oh, now I gotta find another one.

[Phil Robertson]

You knowing him as well as I do, in his personality, he's probably fixing to get seriously into treasure hunt.

[Zach Dasher]

But it made me think about how you first converted and you're so excited and you're living on cloud nine, and then you kind of have to find ways. In what we talked about our whole last podcast of being renewed day by day, and it just made me think of a line I heard in a sermon not too long ago is, you know, if you're bored in your faith, so is God. You know, it was a good line. It's like, if you're bored, what do you think he's doing? Looking like, I've given you everything you possibly need, including the spirit of my Son, for you to be vibrant. And I think he made the point of, you know, in. In the Book of Acts, they had the Holy Spirit and they were actually listening.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And so I. I do believe he still speaks today. And we have His Word and we have His Spirit. The question is, you know, are you listening to the Spirit's lead?

[Phil Robertson]

I might have to write that down because.

[Zach Dasher]

Write it down.

[Phil Robertson]

That would make a great sermon title. Is God Bored with youh Faith?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I thought it was a great line. And I feel so bad. I can't remember where I heard this, but all this stuff went into my head. And another point that was brought out was he's like, you know, we talk about having our daily quiet time. He said, why do we call it that? He said, it should be a roaring time. We should be roaring with the Holy Spirit instead of, oh, you know. But I. I just thought it was a good take on realizing that you have the spirit of the Creator of the universe in your mortal body. Romans 8:11. If the Spirit is living in you, the same Spirit that gave life to Jesus and raised him from the dead, if he's living in you, will also give life to your mortal body. Which we focus on that as a futuristic thing, but he's literally living in us.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Which should be.

[Al Robertson]

Which should be very fulfilling. I mean, it's interesting. We had a A few weeks ago, had on my other podcast, I had a couple on that the. They came from Silicon Valley. They've gone all over the world. Like, this couple is so interesting. He was a founder of, I think the company was DivX, which was early days Internet, had a huge tech exit, was doing the Silicon Valley thing, going off to these foreign countries and they were doing the psychedelics and trying to find God and all these places, all the. All the retreats and all the different ways of trying to find him and create this new society. And they. They wound up in Black Mountain. And Vanessa, she talks about this on the podcast. She said she was talking about when they moved here. She said, I came to the church for the first time and kind of shared her experience of coming to know Christ and, And the big thing that was hard for her to overcome, she said, I'm looking at everybody here and they're not aspiring to do all these crazy things. And I'm like, are these people really satisfied? Are these morons really satisfied? And then what she's come to realize over the last several years is that she said, now I live a very quiet local life, raising my family and being in the community. And she said, I've never had more peace in my life. And what she thought would have bored her has now been the thing. It's all through the Spirit through which she's finding fulfillment. And I thought about this verse when she said that. I didn't say it on. On the Not yet now podcast, but I want to read it here because it speaks to it. In First Thessalonians 4, Paul says, Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life. You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you, so that your daily life may win the respect of others and outsiders, so that you will not be dependent on anybody. And I think, you know, some people would read something like that, like, oh, that's that. That life is boring. If you find the life in Christ boring, I think it's. You're not experiencing a life in Christ. You know what I mean? There's a peace that comes with this.

[Phil Robertson]

So, Zach, you. I guess you're the only one of the three of us that has had the pleasure, I guess it was a pleasure to make a Christian film. You made it about us, about our Christian, about our family. But what's the importance you think of having Christian films and being able to put those themes out there and really to do them well?

[Al Robertson]

Well, you know, what we are shaped our imagination for the world. Is. Is profoundly shaped by the content and the media we consume. So I think it's very important for Christians to be in this business and the content space, so. Particularly with film.

[Phil Robertson]

That's exactly why Angel Studios, some good friends of ours, have an upcoming movie.

[Al Robertson]

Called Homestead, which is about a nuclear blast that devastates Los Angeles. I watched it, though. I was thinking, you know, what I would do if we ended up at some type of apocalyptic event. You know what I would do? I would make my way down to where you guys are at, because I know, Jace, that you would survive, that you would feed me if I show up. So I have a Homestead plan, by.

[Zach Dasher]

The way, already in place, and I'm a long way from Los Angeles.

[Al Robertson]

That's true. Basically, what happens is there's a nuclear blast that devastates all of Los Angeles. So kind of like a apocalyptic, end of the world type movie. It's got Neil McDonough in it, which you. You love him out.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, he's been in so many good things. He's a fantastic actor and a believer.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah. But in this one, it's, you know, you have all, like, the dilemmas of what, like what would happen in some type of. Of apocalyptic event. There's a lot of moral dilemmas in it that you got to work through. But I. I love those kind of films anyways. I mean, I think I've said it on a previous promotion that I love anything that. Like apocalyptic or dystopian. So this is kind of in that vein. It's done. It's a very, very good movie. I highly recommend it.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, it becomes about humanity. This. This film is coming to theaters December 20th, so we don't want you to miss it. Don't miss homestead in theaters December 20th. Get your tickets now at angel.comunashamed. that's angel.comunashamed. check it out. I was thinking about that from the standpoint of. In the last podcast, we were talking about the idea of being renovated, and you think, man, I don't know, you know, believers, non believers, would they really get that? But they do because, you know, they do. Because what has been the most consistent reality show for the last 25 years, it's renovation. House renovation shows, they're everywhere. And look, they live on. You just put some different people in there, a different set of people and different couple, and they roll. And the reason why is we love renovation. We love to see something old become something new. So don't tell me is not relevant into our culture and exciting and even.

[Al Robertson]

In the spiritual sense. I mean, these are, this was a couple who, we need to have them on this podcast too. But this is a couple who, they were not Christians. They, they do. They had no concept of, of, of the, of the God of the Bible, but they were seeking to create a better society. They were seeking to renovate the earth with, I mean, it had different language for it. It was all humanistic and, and self centered in their approach. But, but they had, they saw the brokenness around them, and that was part of the conversation too. Like, they saw that brokenness and like, we see the brokenness, we see that society's broken. And then they were trying to find a fix for it. And what they ended up discovering in the end was that they were basically trying to build a Tower of Babel, you know, in their own life. And so I think it is interesting. We all are kind of longing for that. No matter where you come from, whether you come from the church or not, I mean, everybody's longing for something new, a renovation. We know whatever. This cistern that we currently have is not holding water. And what we're looking for is, I want a cistern that holds.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. That made me think about, I got this wrong about three or four podcasts. So it's too late to correct it. It's, it's already out there. But for people who listen to every podcast. Remember when I was telling you about Missy came out and made me laugh, and I think I said in the podcast something like, oh, for thee and not for me. Well, I told Missy I shared that, and she said, I didn't say that. And I was like, well, that's why.

[Phil Robertson]

She'S like, that's why she doesn't listen to the podcast. James, you keep misquoting herself.

[Al Robertson]

So what did she say?

[Zach Dasher]

She said, I said rules for thee, but not for me.

[Al Robertson]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Zach Dasher]

And I was like, that makes a lot more sense, babe. Whoops. But the reason I'm bringing that up one, is to make amends for that mistake. So that was when President Biden pardoned his son, which I had.

[Phil Robertson]

When you said that, it didn't make.

[Al Robertson]

A. I interpret it that way.

[Phil Robertson]

Why did too. I, I had the Y'all are smarter than you look, I implied, I imply that the rules.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I wish you would have just said it.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, I didn't know that she didn't say it.

[Zach Dasher]

I messed up.

[Al Robertson]

I thought I, I, I thought it was like, when I heard it, I was like, okay, that's a very poetic py.

[Phil Robertson]

It was A pithy way.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad y'all got it.

[Al Robertson]

Shakespearean.

[Zach Dasher]

The joke was on me. Rules for the. Not for me. But in that context. Which I'm glad I remembered that because I was going to correct that at some point because I. I told her. I was like, I didn't say that. And she was like, oh, my. She rolled her eyes like, oh, my goodness, they think I'm some kind of idiot.

[Phil Robertson]

I was like, no, she. It was still, no.

[Al Robertson]

We thought she was brilliant.

[Phil Robertson]

It was too good. Sorry.

[Al Robertson]

I was like, period.

[Zach Dasher]

Sorry, babe. But the reason I bring that up is so when you really look at what happened there, not to get all political here today, but you think, well, basically what happened was the story of what we believe happened with Jesus dying on the cross. We got a full pardon, just forgiveness and grace and a new life. And everybody's like, okay. But you're like, you didn't feel the same when he did it because, number one, he lied that he said he would never do that. And then he did. And I just thought, you know, context kind of matters when you're trying to make things and give somebody a new lease on life. And because. Because other people now are so upset because they have people in jail or in a lot of them feel our injustices or whatever, or, you know, and then all of a sudden, the president is just like, nothing applies. He's my son. You know, not only am I pardoning, I'm doing it for 11 years. Anything that.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, that was the thing. It wasn't just the two things he got convicted of is like, we're going to go back another few years just in case. Which a lot of people, by the way, have said that may be because old Joe May had a couple of things. Couple of things in the hopper there during that period.

[Zach Dasher]

So. Do you know the only person that is happy about that is the. Actually the son.

[Phil Robertson]

The son. Because he doesn't have the mom.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. And probably his parents, but everybody else is like, oh, boy. But I do think it is mirroring what we have in Christ as far as. I mean, that's. We. We. We got out of get out of jail free card as far as the dumb decisions.

[Phil Robertson]

But I actually. I like the way that you have gone into that, Jace, because I wanted to make the point. Last podcast, we were in verse 10. We made a point out of this renovation concept. We were being renewed in the image of the Creator, which we have talked about, that obviously that's the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. But look what Happens when that happens, when you get renewed here in this renewed place, renovated place, there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free. But Christ is all and is in all. Yeah, And I wanted to make the point today, and it kind of goes into the political realm that you mentioned, is that that's the difference in eternal equality, true equality, where we don't see the things that divide us because in Christ, it elevates us to beyond all the different things that divide us. But in the political world, there's a new word that has been floated out for the last few years, and it's equity. You remember when the Biden Harris administration started, because equality is in the Declaration of Independence. It's a part of our founding, it's in the Constitution. But this concept of equity is something there. All of a sudden you start hearing this word. Now, I want you to listen to this. You know, this is a new definition, because equity, when I think of equity, I think of my home. Like when you pay into it, you build up. The money you've been paying is equity that's earned. I've earned equity by paying my house off. Here's, here's what it means. Now, equity, listen to this, refers to fairness and justice, often in the context. Now listen to this. Of treating individuals according to their needs rather than providing the same resources to everyone. Now, that is a modern definition of the word equity. Now, but man, you talking about fraught with issues of this concept and the way we look at things. So you can't just look at an even playing field. You can't really look at true equality. You only have to look at it. This person needs this or is perceived to need this. Therefore we have to treat them different.

[Al Robertson]

Well, the language constantly evolves, right? And so there's always a redefinition of the same kind of idea, particularly when it's opposed to maybe what I would call truth. But it used to be called equal opportunity. And the idea. But really what they were really after was equal outcome. And that is a very different thing. And I think that it's the conversation that has to be had. The conversation with equity and equality. Yeah, that is a very fundamental conversation of what are we actually talking about? Because if we have to manufacture and ensure that everybody has the same outcome and that everybody's equity stake, for example, is the same across the board, then what you end up having to do is you actually have to distort people's opportunity to ensure that the outcome is equal. And, and that's not. I don't, I don't think that's. That's biblical at all, you know. But what, but what is. But the. And the other thing is, is that you can't conflate the word equality with, with homogeny, meaning that, like, you can. We can be equal, but not all be the same. And so that's what you're seeing in scripture. You, you see even in the triune nature of God, who's more valuable? The Father, the Son, or the Spirit, or who's more God? Well, they're all equally God. There's no, like, there's not one of the members more God than the other. They're equal when it comes to their Godness, their God quality. But are they the same person? No, they're three distinct. Separate or. Three distinct people or persons. They're three distinct persons. And so in the same way, like, like a man is not the same thing as a woman, but neither one, a man or woman is not greater in their value or that. That's the whole point of this kingdom, Jew and Gentile. Who's greater? Well, in the Kingdom, there's no distinction. Like, right. There's a distinction. Yes, there's. There is an ethnic distinction in the world, but in God's eyes, the value. There's. They're equal. And I think that that plays out through all of scripture.

[Phil Robertson]

And the differences make you stronger, especially in a. In a male, female marriage relationship. But you're right, we consider ourselves equal in the sense of who we are in Christ. Jason, I don't know if you knew this or not, but some of the best ways to let people know what you're into is to have merchandise that shows that. Were you aware of that? That's a good way to let people know.

[Zach Dasher]

I think that's been going on since the bumper sticker was introduced.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Al Robertson]

We'Re probably gonna say the same thing. I mean, that there is this.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, no, we're not going to say the same thing. I'm fixed to open up a can of worms. You go ahead and before.

[Al Robertson]

Are you sticking with the text or what are you fixing today?

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, I'm sticking with the. The text, buddy. And I don't even know what you're talking about, but go ahead.

[Al Robertson]

Well, I was. Yeah, Well, I was just going to say it's interesting. It moves into very controversial verse in 18 and gets into this idea of rule or mine. Mine says rules for house Christian households.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, yeah. Well, we'll. Okay, so save that because we'll get to that. Because I want to. I want to go down a rabbit hole. So. And. And this came from. Now, remember last podcast, I said there were two thoughts I had when I read Galatians and compared it to Colossians, and I only talked about one. And we got to the end, and I was like, I don't have time to bring this up. And I wasn't sure I wanted to. But now that y'all went here, this based on what you just read. Al. Colossians 3. Was that 11? 11, yeah. So I was watching. Speaking of our treasure hunting show, I actually watched the Martin Scorsese the first two episodes.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, the saints thing of the Saints.

[Zach Dasher]

Have y'all watched that?

[Phil Robertson]

I have not. But I really want.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay, I want to talk about this because. And I in through this, I want to give this second thought I had about similarities with the Colossians line of thinking in Galatians, because the one that we did last time was really more about grace over law, spirit over sinful self, you know, new creation and how all that kind of works. And then they had the same deal about where all it divided. I mean, all the things that divide us is buried in Christ. We put on Christ and we become a new humanity. So Colossians 3, 11. Think that. So I watched the first one was Joan of Arc. And look, I'm not a history buff I'm sure I'd heard of her before, but that story was crazy. Yeah, I mean, so. And I found it interesting. It's kind of a documentary type style. And I don't know what to think about that. I thought it was interesting, though. And then the second one was about John the Baptist. So what I found most interesting, I guess from my take is because I'm used to, like, once the show started, I'm thinking the Chosen. And it has a similar feel to it because Martin Scorsese knows how to. I mean, all the cinematography is fantastic.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, he's a very gifted movie.

[Zach Dasher]

And what I realized is it's kind of. I don't know what. What he is maybe a. I think. And they have a little group session after each episode. And what I found profound is, you know, John the Baptist, who. It was on when they. They started with him, you know, baptizing people. When he got to that part, well, they had Jesus as just a guy in line being baptized. It's like they didn't know each other. And I was thinking, well, I thought they were cousins, you know, my take on how that went down was different. Not that that bothers me, because I think when people. Missy and I talked about this, when people do movies or shows like the Chosen, you know, even the four gospel writers have little subtle differences here and there. And nobody thinks a big deal about that. So I think when you're putting it on film, they're kind of using their imagination on.

[Phil Robertson]

On some of it, what it looked like.

[Zach Dasher]

So I didn't have a problem with it at all. But I just wanted to say, and I think the show is pretty good, so you can watch it if you want to. But what I was going to say is. And I want to, you know, bring up an old wound. I guess what I did notice in Colossians 2 and Galatians 3 is baptism is inserted in this. As far as this dying to self. I mean, you have Colossians 2 talking about your old self is circumcised. Galatians 3 is like you're putting on Christ. And I felt when I watched that show of John the Baptist, they were just like, what are we going to do about this baptism? And they actually talked about it after the show. And I feel like even as a church in the west, as they say, North America, people don't know what to do with that. And that's why there's so many different versions and semantics, I guess, of when it comes to baptism, because they were kind of putting it On. Well, this was a Jewish custom. It was ceremonial washing. But when you actually read what happened, and I'm going to make a point here and then get your comment. So when Jesus was baptized. Let's just take Luke's account in 21, when all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too, and he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. Then you hear the voice, and they didn't do the voice, you know, in the show. He just was baptized and he was just like one. Just a guy in line. And then they kind of zoomed up on him like, and. And he just like went walking down by himself. That was it.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And then it got back on the story of John the Baptist and, you know, eventually him being beheaded.

[Phil Robertson]

But then it's really more from their store, their storytelling perspective that, oh, by the way, this is something John the Baptist did. He baptized Jesus.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. It was just kind of. Because it was about John the Baptist.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

It's one thing, you know, it was. It was, you know, you take it for. I'm not being negative about it at all. I thought the show was well done. And any. Missy said this and I agreed with her. Any show that's well done that makes people think about Jesus and the characters in the Bible, I'm for. And it was well done. And they talked about, you know, how kind of how baptism tries to fit in. Well, you know, I didn't really agree with everything that was said, but they were giving their opinions after the show.

[Phil Robertson]

By the way, the arch of the whole series, from what I gather from the previews, is it's all about people being so all in for Jesus that they'll go to their death.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

For him, I mean, that's kind of the.

[Zach Dasher]

And look, out of a thousand podcasts, thousand plus, we spent way more time talking about Jesus. But I did just want to point out this does come up in Colossians 2 and it does come up in Galatians 3. And then here we are as Gentiles, thinking, well, we weren't raised in a society because that's kind of where they went in the show where ceremonial washing was a part of. Because they were acting like, well, this. They all realized what this was for. But now it has a new purpose because he, John the Baptist is kind of saying that the king is here, the kingdom is here, which it actually says the kingdom is near. They were saying the kingdom is here, which. Okay.

[Phil Robertson]

And we all know baptism was a new thing for John. They had not been baptizing people.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, they kind of made it seem like they were. So anyway, I'm not taking on them in a critical way. I'm just introducing the thought. We know how the story goes. When it goes to Luke 4, it says, Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned and was led by the Spirit. And I've said this before. Jesus never did a miracle until that baptism happened, which I think is interesting. Something happened there that was profound. And I've always said, I believe that God was revealing this shadow, that his Holy Spirit could indwell a human body. He had to break that ice somewhere. There's other reasons for that happening. It was declaring Jesus as the Messiah. So we all agree on that. But what I was going to say about it is, and what kind of struck me in reading that is when Jesus at the end of his ministry, his death and burial and resurrection in two places in Matthew 28. What is that, 16 through 20, he actually says, I just didn't know if you had ever thought about this. He actually says, and this is in sort of response to the John the Baptist documentary in verse 18, he came to them. Now, this is post resurrection. And he said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. I mean, he's declaring himself king of Kings because of the resurrection and his death on a cross. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations. Which I had never really thought about this as it relates to Galatians 3:27 and Colossians 3:11, which is right after chapter two talking about baptism, I thought, so. Even if it wasn't a part of your culture, he's saying, you go preach. Which is why my dad all the time reads this. You know, it kind of clicked for me, you know, because we tend to think, now what. What is this where you got to go dunk people under underwater? But that's what he says. He says the same thing in Mark 16, 15 and 16. He says, you know, go preach the gospel to the whole world. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. Whoever does not believe will be condemned. And people try to, you know, and kind of talk about that. Well, if you don't believe, you wouldn't do it.

[Phil Robertson]

Right?

[Zach Dasher]

And I get it. All groups have different ideas of what we're going to do about baptism. But we've already set up that this is all about God's grace. There's nothing you can do. We went. The whole last podcast was about his power moving in. And I've always said, I think it's an opportunity. When you try to turn it into a command. I mean, when you read Matthew 28 and say, well, Jesus said it, that's why we're doing it.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

I just think something is missing of that. Paul seems to say we're fulfilling what he said to do. And if it's a death, you're not really doing anything. As far as a work based thing, you're saying I can't do anything. And so I just wanted to bring that up because I thought, you know, in Colossians 2 at the end when he said you have a rule oriented system, stay away from that. He said, that person has lost connection with the head. They've been decapitated. When you're trying to bring a rule based system. So we're not saying that, but I just look at it as part of his plan. Kind of what he did of making this, this is a real thing. Because why was Jesus baptized? That was their question for discussion, which got four different answers. They were like, you know, it's a good question. They didn't really have an answer for it. So I just thought I would combine Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2 and 3:11 with Matthew 28 and Mark 16 and say, you know, what it is, what it is. And they followed that plan to the letter in the Book of Acts.

[Phil Robertson]

I love that.

[Al Robertson]

I think that it's. Yeah, I used to think this, that eschatology doesn't really matter. And I even say that when we get to the Book of Revelation, it doesn't really, it doesn't matter. And, and as I've gotten older, I'm like, oh, it matters a lot because it, there's a thread throughout all of Scripture of exactly what you just said. It's, it, it's the Great Commission. Go make disciples of all nations. It's in the text that we're in now in Colossians chapter three, it's in Galatians, the entire book. It's the whole thing about the mystery that's revealed in Ephesians, that the Gentiles are now fellow heirs. It's Romans chapter. It's a whole book of Romans that Paul the Apostle called to bring the Gentiles to the obedience of faith. And what Jesus is doing, and I think this moment you're talking about in particular is this is the inauguration of his ministry. What ministry? To bring all the nations to him, to fulfill that kingdom that he had talked. That was all prophesied in the Old Testament and all of those Old Testament scriptures. And so when you read something like 1 Corinthians 15 when it says that Christ died, was buried and raised according to the Scriptures. What scriptures is he talking about? He's talking about these Old Testament scriptures. And if you read here, I turn over to Luke 24 because I think this is more towards the end of basically the Gospel story. This is when he's on the road to Emmaus and he sees, they see the resurrected Jesus. And it says in verse 27 that Jesus, beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them all the scriptures, the things concerning himself. In other words, there's a whole lot in what the prophet. They knew the Bible, they knew Moses's writings, they knew the prophets writings, but they did not understand them in the light of Jesus. And that's why they said, did not our hearts burn while he was with us on the road, while he opened up the Scriptures? What scriptures? All the Old Testament scriptures. And then in verse 45 of Luke 24 it says then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures because up until this point nobody understood them. They're reading all of these Old Testament scriptures and they do not see the correlation between all of those prophecies and in the inclusion of the Gentiles that God's going to build a new people group of Jew and Gentile and he is going to send people out to make disciples of all the nations. They didn't understand that from the scriptures until this moment. He opens up the Old Testament to them and he opened their minds to understand this. And he said this. Thus it is written where in the Old Testament that the Christ should suffer and on the third day raised from rise from the dead and that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name.

[Zach Dasher]

To who?

[Al Robertson]

All nations, beginning in Jerusalem. I'm like, this is the Bible. This is the story right here. This is the Gospel.

[Zach Dasher]

This is it.

[Al Robertson]

You can't get away from it.

[Phil Robertson]

I want to read one passage, Jason, before you finish up, because I think this adds to what your point you were making and what Zach just made. And this is John's account of the same thing. You read on Luke's account and remember the book of John, he's describing John the Baptist, who people say he is, who he says he is or isn't. And then you get to John 1:29, it says the next day John the Baptist saw Jesus coming toward him. Now this is after he's baptized him, but he sees him and he says, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. So now all of A sudden he's viewing him a certain way. This is the one I meant when I said, a man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me. I myself did not know him. Now just you said it. He knew him as his cousin. He knew him as a good man because when he came up to him, he says, you need to be baptized in me. So he knew about him, but he didn't really know who he was. He says, I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel. And then John gave this testimony. I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, the man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit. I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.

[Zach Dasher]

Excellent point. So I wrote this down. I heard it somewhere, I can't remember where, on why Jesus was baptized and the reason I focused in on him receiving that spirit. To your point, and I wrote this down. Jesus now had an inner world that gave him access to another, better world so he could overcome this world. And when you couple that with what we have with repeating the process because we're baptized into his death, think Romans 6. We were therefore buried with him in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. So you think about that. God has given us a new world, a new self, but he's given us the way through his Spirit to reproduce it. Which I think is just fascinating when you. We're going back thousands of years to a story of God coming to earth in Jesus. And now all of a sudden all nations can come together into one new humanity on earth for a purpose of doing the same process that he did.

[Phil Robertson]

Right?

[Zach Dasher]

And then that's why when you get to Revelation, all of a sudden it gets into this, which I'm really itching to go there, because it's basically a manual of nations rise and they fall and they come back again that are against God. And here's these Spirit filled people who are even losing their lives during that process. And the bottom line is, no matter how many times that happens, you know, Babylon is kind of featured in Revelation. The ones with the Holy Spirit of God, they win. They have the purpose at each rise of nation. Because in the end we have the Holy Spirit of God. Within each, which is an eternal spirit, so we can't lose, which is really what it's about. It gives you a historical picture of what's going to happen for the remainder of the earth, which nations rising up as power, and they're unable to snuff out the nation of God.

[Phil Robertson]

Right. And look, and it still does go on because I mentioned previous podcasts, four of my second cousins, and these were a couple of teenagers and then two college age, and they were my second cousins, our second cousins. And so they wanted to get baptized. So I was explaining to them the importance of this moment, what it means, because they're young. I mean, their hearts are in the right place. They want to do it. But I'm not sure they exactly understood because a lot of people say, why do I need to be baptized? Why was Jesus baptized? And so I explained it just like we presented it here today. I told him, I said, you're making a public proclamation today that you're all in on what you believe. And I asked them all, I asked every one of them, I said, do you believe Jesus is the son of God? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit lives in you? Do you believe? And I gave them several things. They said, yep, yep, yep. I said, well, today is a public proclamation of that. And you're saying, I want to put to death anything old and have it renewed in Jesus. And so I said, look, here's the thing about it. You four will never forget this day, just like your parents remember the day you were born, because this is a day of new birth. That's what the beauty of the moment. So I wanted to give them the gravity of it, on why it's so important to publicly make this proclamation. And that's what this was. This was a public proclamation. The King of Kings has arrived. And it's not just for the Jews. It's for all mankind.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. I just think it's a way. Look, because I realize there's so many thoughts on baptism and so many different interpretation. We don't know what to do with it. And it was not a part of the North American culture.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Other than, you know, you read the Bible and some people do it, some people baptize babies, and some people say, you don't even.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

It's irrelevant, you know, And I just feel like when I listen to these sermons and different speakers, I keep sensing that we just don't know what to do with that.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

But I think if you just read the Bible and look at what was happening, and I think those Two passages from Matthew and Mark are very profound when you look at it in this new identity that breaks down all social barriers. You would have to come up with some way for us to have something in common with people around the globe. And it is Jesus. But it's also, they seem to be emphasizing that act as a way of starting over in Jesus, you know, and.

[Phil Robertson]

The thing about it is, the beautiful thing about this idea, this picture of baptism is that we talked about eternal equality, is that, you know, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, whoever you look at as being like a great person does a lot of great things. They walk in the same pool of water that the person does who's over here who doesn't have two nickels to rub together. And if the idea is that in Christ all are to the same, well.

[Zach Dasher]

That'S why he's fixed to turn this Roman view of the family on its head because, you know, they had masters and slaves and all this kind of thing. But then here comes a scenario now where you're one in Jesus equal. And I'm sure Rome was not proud.

[Al Robertson]

Of that, which is really. I mean, we, we won't get into it on this podcast because I know we're about time, but that is a shocking. I mean, what he is about. Oh, it is a shock to the culture.

[Zach Dasher]

It is time.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, we're out of time. Well, we'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on itunes, and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to [e-mail] Unashamed.