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Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1011 | Jase Hacks the Entire Insurance Industry with a Single One-Liner
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Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
What about you?
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Zach Dasher
Welcome back to Unashamed. We were on our way down here to the southern lair this past week and we stopped in New Orleans on our way back because that's where Lisa had her surgery and we did our six month oncology follow up is what they call it. So you know they want to check you fairly regular when you've had. When you've had cancer like that. And just wanted to report all good. All clear. Doctor said everything looks great. So again, thanks Unashamed Nation for all the prayers. Lisa is doing amazing. It's. It's been. People ask me how she's doing all the time. I'll get notes from people. How's Lisa do it? And I always say supernaturally well because that's the only way I can figure that she's dealt with it as well. She has is that obviously God has blessed her with that. So anyway, I just want to let y'all know that the prayers were appreciated and it's all good.
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Jase Robertson
Zach, what have you been doing?
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Al Robertson
What have I been doing? You know, we have. And people have actually asked about this, about the up, like what's going on here in our area since the storm, so.
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Zach Dasher
Because I still see like follow ups and reports and stuff. Oh yeah.
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Al Robertson
It's like, I mean, and some people are still intense, which is crazy to me. Like, I mean, and it's like so cold up here right now. But we've been engaged in an effort, by the way, One Kingdom has raised. I think they've committed to four total rebuilds that they're funding.
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Jase Robertson
One Kingdom.org oh, I actually contributed to that. So please tell me what I contributed to. And by the way, did you name that? Did you name that?
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Al Robertson
Name what?
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Jase Robertson
Did you name One Kingdom? One Kingdom.
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Zach Dasher
Actually that was Ben.
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Al Robertson
But you know what? I would like to think that maybe that was my influence in his life. You know? You know what, Jace, now that you mention it, yeah, I did name that. That's all me.
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Jase Robertson
You should write a book on the kingdom. We're so in that. Which we are excited about that. I actually recently had a, A seven hour Bible study with a. A tea. A guy.
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Al Robertson
We're gonna write a book in 2025. We're gonna have a book on the kingdom and we're gonna. It's gonna be awesome. But yeah, so they're built, rebuilding these houses and then World Vision has come in and they're supplying all of the materials for. So we, We've. As a church, we're up to. We're doing redoing eight houses. So it's pretty cool. Um, and then it's just a lot. There's just. We just been. So what have I been doing? We've been really focusing on, you know, helping folks out, get this stuff up, up and running here in the mountains. It's been a, it's all. It is a long haul recovery.
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Jase Robertson
But yeah, there's still people living in hotels and have no home. Yeah, I just wanted to bring that up. I mean, it's happened weeks and I guess months ago. Yeah. And it's, you know, we tend to move on and even with my house, you know, know, in the, in the Nashville area, I mean, a tornado hit it six months ago and we, we just got to the slab. Well, we're. We've been de. Deconstructing and cleaning up and the rebuild is just now worse.
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Al Robertson
You know, the worst part is, Jason, you can testify to this is you, You. You quickly learn that insurance doesn't necessarily mean insurance.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
And that's the shock around here. Everybody's like, well, yeah, you're not covered because your place flooded. And then people are like, but I'm not near a river or a creek, so how did it flood? Well, yeah, you know, that's. I mean, they, it is, it's actually.
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Zach Dasher
Well, you know what they always fall back on, which is kind of interesting being that our podcast is discussing about spiritual matters. They always just say, look, we can't do anything about an act of God. In other words, you know, whether you believe or not, when we can't pay, we're just going to give God all the.
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Al Robertson
Yeah, we're.
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Jase Robertson
We're old school.
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Al Robertson
We think everything is an act of God.
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Jase Robertson
God. So y'all are bringing up something that I said, and I'll let you determine whether I should have said this because in one of my meetings with the insurance agent, and I quote, he said, well, because we were having a disagreement about what was covered. And he said, well, we can't do anything about an act of God. And I said without hesitation, well, how do you know it wasn't an act of the evil one.
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Zach Dasher
That'Ll preach.
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Jase Robertson
And look, he literally turned pale when I said that. And I don't think it was a positive. I think he thought that I may be crazy because he had just never heard that line. And then after a lot of stammering and Jace, I'll do the best I can. So I think it actually was a pretty good line the next time you hear that line. But I've actually talked about when you treat Jesus and what he promises as insurance, that's not a good thing. It's more of an inheritance and what you're doing now. And so, you know, there's a difference in viewing it as. And you know where I'm going with that. It's like, yeah, I believe in Jesus just in case this happens to be true. I would think that would be an immature way to walk with the Lord.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah. And look, we're not down, you know, on insurance. They do what they do and they don't. A few weeks ago, someone killed this guy. That was the. See that Zach, was he in charge of the largest insurance.
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Al Robertson
I think he was a CEO of. Was it United Health Care? Yeah.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
I mean it's the big boy.
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Zach Dasher
And so obviously there are people that go to those extremes which are saying don't, don't do that. Just, just argue your claim and let's, let's don't try to take matters into our own hands.
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Jase Robertson
Well, yeah, and I was just, you know, I'm not down on inch. I'm glad we had it and they do a good job. But I was just saying, you know, we live as a part of a world in another world, as disciples of Jesus and members of his kingdom. That's why I think when you see one kingdom get involved, I like their motivation better. I mean, we're all helping each other, but there's earthly insurance and there's heavenly insurance and.
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Al Robertson
Well, let me clarify too because I just as you said that I was joking about naming one kingdom. I did not. I don't want any. So that was sarcasm. Note disclaimer. That was.
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Zach Dasher
But since it was your brother in law who, who kind of was there during that name change and brand change, you may have had some influence. I'll give you credit.
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Al Robertson
Well, I mean, I, I do love the name. I think it's like I kind of wish we had it. You know, it's a pretty good name.
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Jase Robertson
Well, look, look, you get your best idea. I've always said that because I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet. And I'm. Doesn't embarrass me to say that when you look at me, you don't think, well, there's a real smart guy. No, but I'll tell you this. Walking with Jesus and having his spirit makes you the smartest person on the planet.
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Al Robertson
Amen.
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Jase Robertson
Think about it amongst yourselves.
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Zach Dasher
And. And the reason I will, I'll tell you exactly, because I'm one of the elders on our kind of our board of one kingdom. And when we. When Ben first approached us with this idea, he was a director at the time, it was. It was great because the idea was it expanded the concepts of what we were doing because we had WFR relief, which was kind of what Zach is doing there now in relief work. We had a relief organization that went around the world and provided hurricanes and, you know, famines and things like this. But then also there was a branch of it called world radio, which has been basically putting the gospel out on radio through speakers around all around the world, over a hundred different speakers in 100 different countries. And so the idea was when you take all that and you put it together because, you know, the world changes. Radio is still impactful, but now we have the Internet. What are we going to do with that? And, you know, as we. As you just talked about, Zach, relief work becomes much more integrated through churches, which is the best way to reach people. And I want to say this about the folks in North Carolina where Zach is, because, as you know, I talked to you on the podcast. I was literally there when it all happened. And one of the things I was impressed with right off the bat, literally the next day, there were people coming together to help their neighbors. I mean, I was at Ben and Melissa's house, and there was a neighbor there with a skid loader getting trees off their driveway, you know, three hours after the thing had hit. And so the concept is we pull together. It's our job to help each other. Sitting around waiting on the government is turned into a.
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Al Robertson
You're gonna be waiting a while.
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Zach Dasher
You're gonna be waiting a while. It's turned into a bad way to do business. Don't wait on the government. Jump in there and go.
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Al Robertson
Here's the lesson that I learned from all this is that there is a fine line between rednecks and hillbillies.
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Jase Robertson
Really? Boy, this is. Are you representing Phil today in this analogy? That sounds like a Phil Robertson analogy? What is the difference in a redneck and a hillbilly?
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Al Robertson
The difference is this. And you've probably never heard of it. But here's the difference. It's called liver mush. That's the. That's the difference. They eat this thing called liver mush. Everything else is the same. I mean, it's like. Like my buddy Kevin Toops, I'm like, dude, you. You are. You're from the hills of North Carolina, but I swear, you could be from Bachenville, man. You are. You are our kind of people, man. And except for the liver much. They eat liver much, but we eat things like hog head cheese and. Yeah, some of that's, you know, that we got our own little. I don't eat chitlins, but some people do roadkill.
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Zach Dasher
Some people eat roadkill.
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Al Robertson
Yeah. But, I mean, we got our y'all balls and buffalo.
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Jase Robertson
You call it roadkill. But now it's all about when it became roadkill.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I know we were. We were trained. We were training the assessment of roadkill.
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Al Robertson
When was the time of death? I mean. I mean, because it can turn, you.
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Jase Robertson
Know, no, there's a CSI department to the rednecks. And because you see that every day where I'm from, on the sides of roads, it is. It looks like there's an investigation trying to figure out the time of death, because that's really important to whether you're going to put it in the back of your truck or walk away and.
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Zach Dasher
Keep moving and leave it for the buzzards. Well, you know, it's funny because it's so ingrained in us, we don't even realize that. I was watching videos of dad doing duck and dressing because we talked about this back in Thanksgiving, and I love the way dad said, you know, when the duck is just right. When you reach in there and you pull on his leg just a little bit, and it just begins to move off the rest of the bite? That's. That's perfect. That's the way you want it right there. And I thought, who would have. That becomes your professional chef description of when the duck just. When it just pulls off the body, just.
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Al Robertson
But, you know, if you've eaten duck and you. You've had the duck, and you know what that means, so. Yep, that's about right.
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Zach Dasher
Exactly. That was a good description, like only dad could give, which was pretty good.
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Jase Robertson
Well, let me give you a question to get to our segue in Colossians. So if you read Colossians 3, 5 through 7, and you read Colossians 3, 12, 17, there's two categories. And if you just imagined that these were two cities that were known for these things, and you asked yourself, which city would I rather live in? That's the question. So I'll read it. In verse 5 it says, Put to death, therefore whatever belongs to your earthly nature. So this would be the description of the city. Sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, greed, which is idolatry. And then verse nine. Do not light it.
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Zach Dasher
Starting in verse eight.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, verse eight. Let me put my glasses on. But now you must rid yourselves. Yeah. So here's the next qualities. Anger, rage, malice, slander and filthy language from your lips. And don't lie to each other. So there's one city, well, that's known for. And the next would be this and just the qualities after he said, described the new self. Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly love, clothe yourselves well. Here it is. Compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience. Bear with each other, forgiving whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And all. And over all these virtues, put on love which binds them together. And then the first part of 15 says, Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts. So what do you think?
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Zach Dasher
No, that's a great. That's a great way.
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Al Robertson
I'll take door number two. I'll take door number two.
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Zach Dasher
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Jase Robertson
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Zach Dasher
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Jase Robertson
I knew you would say that, but I think if you put that worldwide and without the context, without the Bible, if you just put the qualities, I think it would probably surprise you at how many people would choose to live in door number one. And they would have reasons for that because I think some of it would be, well, I want to be free to do whatever I want to. And I would think door number two, what they would say. I mean, who wants to be around a bunch of weaknesses, goody goodies who are apologizing all the time and telling me how much they love me.
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Zach Dasher
No, no, I think you're right. In fact, it's the old saying, I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's some truth to that.
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Al Robertson
It's funny because I, I, in the last podcast that I did on Not yet now podcast, I ended with a story of similar two, not there actually was two cities that I was talking about. One of the cities and asked that question, I didn't think about the Colossians passage here asked the question, which, which city would you live in? The first city was Las Vegas. And I painted the picture and the story of imagine you go on a four day bender to Las Vegas and it's exciting, it's fun. You got the, you get everything that Vegas, the Vegas strip has to offer and you think about going and partying there for four days straight just on a bender. And then you wake up that last day and it's time to go home and you survey kind of what you've just been into. And then you juxtapose that to a scene up in the Smoky Mountains in a cabin somewhere. And I imagine myself at 70 years old, you know, married my wife Jill. And we're out on the, on the front porch watching the fog rise up off the creek below us as we're sitting on this front porch and we're sipping on the hot coffee that we, you know, French pressed out of an organic, locally sourced and roasted coffee. And then the grandkid rolls out and then the next one rolls out and then Layla comes out and then the bacon and the eggs and the biscuits are going, the whole family's together. Like I said, what scene do you want at the end? And one of them yes, it has its excitement, it has its version of freedom. But if you understand freedom as the Bible talks about it, when you're, when you're a slave, you think they promise themselves freedom while they themselves are slaves to depravity. To live in that world of what you think is actual freedom a lot of times is to be a slave. And to survey the scene of that Vegas scene, the morning after you look up, I don't know anybody that says, man, that is the good life. But you do think about that scene of serenity and peace and tranquility. And I'm with my family, I'm with my people, I'm, I'm looking at my legacy and we're having, you know, this time together as a family. There's something about that that's beautiful. And that was the two pictures of the city that I got when you were reading that and asking that question.
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Zach Dasher
Well, when you think about it, Zach, the, what you just described one seems so temporary because if you live the way that is described behind door number one in the first city J described, your time will be shorter because everything in that list shortens your life. I mean, whether it's the emotional part of that, that whole attitude thing or just the sensual part, it has an effect on you. You talk about a four day bender in Vegas. You just cut years off the other end. What you described in the beautiful Smoky Mountains is an idea of longevity. It's peace, which is the word that comes out when you get to verse 15. I mean, so the idea that the Bible talks about temporary versus eternal is very descriptive in these two cities and the two ideas, even in what you would experience here while you're on earth.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. I think all of those things, you know, are rationalized into, under freedom or they use the same word, love, and they'll say, you know, love is whatever you, you want to consent to, you know, and freedom. And so they take the same principles. But I think the main reason people would pick city one, which we're viewing that is, you know, where the, where the evil one really runs roughshod is because it's way more difficult to live in City 2. It's hard to have compassion. It's very difficult to forgive grievances, truly. I mean, it is, that is just difficult to do. And there's a, there's an amount of humility that has to happen. Vulnerability, working things out. It's just way easier to just medicate with whatever vice that's out there. And forget about it. And so I think, you know, the context this whole thing is putting off the old and putting on the new because of your experience with Jesus. And so really what stood out to me about this passage is when he got to verse 15, which something we haven't really mentioned is he says, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts. And then there's a little phrase there, and I didn't really notice that this keeps coming up not only in Ephesians, but Colossians as well. And it says since as members of one body you were called to peace. And it's kind of a throwback to when he said that Jesus, you know, in the chapter one where he's the head of the body, and then in chapter two about these people coming in, introducing these things that didn't have Jesus at the center, human traditions and hollow philosophies and trying to have a rule oriented system. He said this person who's introducing this in verse 19 has lost connection with the head from whom the whole body supported, held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. And so I think before we even get into the peace, because we know that this city one promises freedom and a kind of love that is temporary. And go whatever feels good, do it. You know, there's a famous Phil quote which he said, you know, he lived the first 28 years of his life, but part of that piece of, you know, having relationships. Because when you think about the categories of the one city, unbridled, you know, speech and passion. Yeah, yeah. And any kind of sex with any. With no restrictions whatsoever. Well, those two things are probably the two biggest relationship killers on the planet. Whether you believe in God or not. Those.
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Al Robertson
Yeah, those two things lead to. If you look at your own trauma and drama, I guarantee you that most of us would look back and say, yep, that was, that was in the mix.
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Zach Dasher
And the one word that won't come out of that lifestyle is peace, I can promise you that. So I guess the best part of the Christmas season is really celebrating that Jesus came to earth. And Jase is interesting to me that he could have chosen any way to come here. You know, he's the creator of the cosmos and the universe, but he decided to come through the womb of a woman to get here and to experience what we experienced in growing up. I mean, I just find that very interesting.
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Jase Robertson
I mean, I always think about that verse that says, every good and perfect gift is from above and the greatest gift on earth is life. And so we were all in our mother's womb at one time. And the fact that he did that same process out of love is very inspiring.
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Zach Dasher
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Jase Robertson
Well, we know the result of those lifestyles, which I wrote a few things down. It results in you being lost. You're not sure what to do with your life. Loneliness, confusion, hurts, bitterness, self indulgence based on lies and ultimately destruction. I mean, that that's where it leads, and that's kind of how the evil one works. And so I think for us, you know, when it says as one body, I think the biggest problem the city of God have has within this city because that's actually the picture of the Bible they get. We're not from this world. You know, post participation in the blood of Jesus and his resurrection and having his spirit. We're a world within a world. There's numerous passages. We're the temple of God. We're the kingdom of God. We're the body of Christ, we're the bride of Christ. Even when Jesus, you know, had that famous line where he's like, my kingdom, you know, I'm not from this place. And I think the biggest struggle we have is we do look at sometimes in the, in the city without Christ. And you do see successful people, you see people with a lot of money and you think, well, how's this happening? And I had an interesting Bible study recently that lasted about seven hours. And that came up because it was like, well, how come all these people who are in the world. There are a lot of people who are successful. And I gave the point that, well, God created everybody and people use their God given talents, whether they believe it came from God or not, and they're successful. But when you think about the evil one and how he would go about captivating people in his entourage, I think he does use success in the world. They feel comfortably numb, they got plenty of money. So then you see in the church and you say, what's the biggest, how does he work in there? Well, you have sex scandals among leadership in a given church, or you have all this speech, lies, gossip, all this thing that happens in churches all over the world. And that's why I think when you kind of put that in context of verse 15 where he says, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, because we tend to think of all these qualities individual, but he lumps them in together of letting this peace of Christ rule in your hearts since as members of one body, you were called to peace. And so it really made me think about how the denominational world, what we've done even in North America, but in other countries you just think we have so many different groups that you realize, you know, peace is a problem and there's so many fights among so many different groups. And I think the whole purpose of this letter was to use Jesus as a filter. Even that verse I read in chapter two about the decapitated from the head, when you think about it, because we all were raised eating chickens and I saw that process firsthand. But you know, when you look at a chicken that's lost its head, it will flop around. And this is a morbid thought, but I think it's a great illustration for what happens when as members of one body in Jesus, we lose connection with the head. A flopping chicken looks alive. They're just.
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Al Robertson
Thus the phrase, he's running around like a chicken with his head cut off.
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Jase Robertson
Exactly. And we. And when you apply that to the context, he's saying with all these groups that don't have peace and you're supposedly supposed to be connected to the head of Jesus Christ. And in that seven hour Bible study I was talking about, that was my whole point to this teacher. I was like, what are you teaching on? You know, we were just talking about this and what I realized is he was teaching the Bible. And you're like, great. I said, but look, what I'm noticing is if there's a disconnect with the Bible being about Jesus, some of your lessons are, are going to fall on deaf ears. And he was like, well, how do you, how do you always have Jesus running through that, that vein? And that's what led to a seven hour discussion which we pretty much went from Genesis to Revelation showing the power of that and how you do have Jesus in all your sermon. He is. Because he was talking about doing the different characters of the Bible. I said, well, all those characters. And I referred to Hebrews 11 needs to run through the main character of the Bible. I said, just try doing a show that is successful and take out the main star of the show. What usually happens to those kinds of shows?
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Zach Dasher
They don't make it.
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Jase Robertson
They're canceled. There's a reason the show was successful and it's probably due to the main star of the show.
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Al Robertson
And if you're in the Old Testament and you're like, well it didn't talk about Jesus in the Old Testament. Well then flip forward to the New Testament to see how the New Testament reinterprets the Old Testament to show, I mean even Jesus himself said he opened up the Scriptures to show them why the Christ had to suffer and be raised from the dead. So I love that Jayce. He's through the whole thing. When you're talking about these two cities, I could not help but think of probably one of the most famous works in Christian literature, which is City of God by Augustine. And there's a couple quotes I pulled up thinking about what you just said, more or less like why are people attracted to the city of man versus the city of God? And what are the not to say problems? I mean the city of God has no problems. But like, what is it that prevents people from coming into the city of God and wanting to remain in the city of man? And Augustine says thus a good man, though a slave, is free, but a wicked man, though a king is a slave, for he serves not one man alone, but what's worse, as as many masters as he has vices. And. And he also says in another place that God is always trying to give good things to us, but our hands are too full to receive them. And I think that's the reason why we don't want to come into the city of, of God because our hands are too full with what C.S. lewis calls mud pies. You know, we can't fathom a better city. So we're, oh, I'm sorry I can't take your, your holiday by the sea because I've got. My hands are full right now holding these mud pies and God's like, yeah, but they're mud pies. And you're like, yeah, but I can't, you know, but they're my mud pies. And he's like, yeah, but I have a holiday by the sea waiting for you. Like, well, I'd love to go, but I got this other thing right here that I'm going to hold on to. And it's just half hearted creatures we are. I think that's what prevents us from coming in.
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Zach Dasher
I'm glad you brought up that about the kings because I was somebody when Jace was mentioning that earlier. One of the things that people will look at and say, man, I wish I was powerful. You know, then I would really know peace if I just had power. It's the people in power that seem to be, you know, have everything going on for them. But the biggest fear for people in power is how do they stay in power. That's why there's very little peace among the powerful because the whole thing is about losing that. And that was the Augustine quote you just mentioned, is this idea that somehow I have to hold on to it. I want to read this because I'd done a little bit of a sort of an arch to Jase's point about all the scripture. So this idea of peace comes up way back in Isaiah chapter 9 and verse 6. And we recognize this language is messianic. It says, for to us a child is born, to us a son is given. And listen to this. And the government will be on his shoulders. So you talk about power. He will be called wonderful counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father. And here's where the phrase first pops up. Prince of peace of the greatest of his government and peace there will be no end. So this is the only. He's not trying to maintain power. He is power. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever the zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. And so I love it that this Idea of Jesus bringing peace and the bringing together, whether it's Jew and gentile, male or female, one race and another, whatever the two, that's dividing, where there's no peace, where there's all this, you know, idea that we can't get along, that we can't do this. He is reigning, his government is an everlasting government that says there will always be peace.
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Jase Robertson
And you're exact, you're proving my point. Because if people read, you know, Isaiah is about this conflict between Assyria and the nation of Israel, and you're like, well, what does that have to do with anything? Well, there's going to be conflicts among nations. Wouldn't you say that? And you fast forward because there was a prediction there, there's a king coming that's going to bring all nations together in peace. And people are like, whoa, what does that mean? And of course, we know by the blood of Jesus and the resurrection and him pouring out his spirit and being exalted, King of Kings at the right hand of God, that happened on this planet. And we're all part of that. So if I was going to do a character study on Isaiah, I would get into Isaiah 9 and chapter 11, by the way, and pretty much 40 through 60, the whole section, because there's one coming. You know, you remember Isaiah 53, it's the suffering servant.
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Zach Dasher
Our good friends at Angel Studios have come up with an amazing. A movie called Homestead. Zach, tell us about it.
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Al Robertson
Homestead. It is a movie about an event that happens in Los Angeles that throws the entire country into chaos. And they kind of hoard up in this prepper's paradise, which we have a pro. We don't prep intentionally, but we have a prepper's paradise, which is down there where you guys are at right now, which is where I'll be coming to. And if we ever get hit like that. But that's a great film. I, I love those kind of films of, of kind of dystopian type apocalyptic scenes. This has all the, all of that that you would imagine. Basically, what happens is there's a nuclear blast that devastates all of Los Angeles. So kind of like a apocalyptic end of the world type movie. It's got Neil McDonough in it, which you, you love him out.
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Zach Dasher
Oh, he's been in so many good things, but he's a fantastic actor and a believer.
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Al Robertson
Yeah. But in this one, it's, you know, you have all, like, the dilemmas of what, like what would happen in some type of apocalyptic event. There's a Lot of moral dilemmas in it that you got to work through. But I. I love those kind of films anyways. I mean, I think I've said it on a previous promotion that I love anything that. Like apocalyptic or dystopian. So this is kind of in that vein. It's done. It's a very, very good movie. I highly recommend it.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, it becomes about humanity. This. This film is coming to theaters December 20th, so we don't want you to miss it. Don't miss homestead in theaters December 20th. Get your tickets now at angel.comunashamed. that's angel.comunashamed. check it out.
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Al Robertson
Yeah, I'd like to add a little place called Isaiah, Chapter two, because I'd love to.
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Zach Dasher
This is.
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Al Robertson
This is a picture right here that I was thinking of. For out of Zion shall go, for forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations and shall decide disputes for many peoples. And they will beat their swords in the plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. You think, well, what does that mean? Well, the things and the tools and the instruments that we use for power, swords and weapons. Those weapons will be beat down into weapons of cultivation. I mean, that. That is the picture of the kingdom right there, if there is one. It is the things that you think are. Are weapons or utensils for power to. To take people over by force. Those things in the new kingdom will be beat down and turned into instruments to cultivate crops and to cultivate civilizations and create new things. It's such a more beautiful picture. And it's a picture of peace. And when you were talking about. When I mentioned that quote from Augustine about being basically kings, being servants to the. However many vices they have, I was. That's. That's the picture. Is that right? You come to downtown Asheville, which is inundated with people who are addicted to heroin and fentanyl and all kinds of opioids and all kinds of tranquilizers. I mean, like, the streets are littered in downtown Asheville with people who are so free to do whatever they want to do, and they are pursuing pleasure at all costs. But I don't think anybody walks the streets of Asheville or Portland, Oregon, or San Francisco and sees this and says, man, that is freedom. No. What do you say? That looks like slavery. Yeah, that looks like the worst form of slavery. And that is the opposite of peace. Peace doesn't come through Being able to. To accumulate and acquire everything that you want. The true peace, true freedom actually comes from creation and cultivation. And so why? Because that's how we resemble who our God is. And so the picture in the book of Isaiah that he's unfolding is we're all coming up this mountain to worship God. He's going to teach us how, how you know, the right ways, and he's going to make our paths straight as all these people are coming up, and we're going to lay down our swords and lay down our utensils, we're going to lay all these down and then we're going to turn them. God's going to turn them into instruments to cultivate a beautiful kingdom.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah. And the reason why people aren't addicted to fentanyl for very long, Zack, is because fentanyl was invented to be an end of life drug to help cross people over to the other side. And now people are in their youth, are becoming addicted to it, and guess what happens? It becomes an end of life drug for them as well, which is terrible.
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Al Robertson
And we lost. We lost a cousin, our first cousin, exactly at 52.
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Zach Dasher
So let me read this. I want to say this. This idea of following the thread from Isaiah 9 that I read. Listen to what Jesus says when he gets here, because that was pointing to Jesus. Here's what he said in John 14:25. All this I have spoken while still with you, but the counselor, because this is how the peace got here for us. The Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name. So now he's looking to the near future, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. And listen to what he says in verse 27. Peace, I leave with you. My peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. There's that distinction. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
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Jase Robertson
Where's that at?
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Zach Dasher
That's in John 14:25 through 27. And I just. It's interesting that he uses those same words. You want to know what the Prince of Peace looks like? That's what the Prince of Peace looks like. He gives us what we need. We don't have to go to drugs. We don't have to go to these vices you were talking about. Zach, when you have the Holy Spirit of God living in you, that brings about this peace that everyone desires, that shows you how you live, that. That gives you the desire to want to live in the City of God, and it changes everything for you.
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Al Robertson
You know, what happens to this so often is that when you critique that, when you actually point out the fact that these lifestyles lead to this. Like the press, for example, they'll pick that up and, And. And they'll say something like, bizarre state. They'll call it bizarre.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
They'll call it odd. They'll. They have all these ad. Yeah, weird. And. And. But I'm like, but look at the. But look at the fruit. Why? It's like you can't critique it. You can't critique. I've said it before. You can't critique P. Daddy until something happens. And then now everyone's critiquing. But I'm like, if you were to. If you were to go back and critique the lifestyle four years ago, they would say, oh, you know, unashamed host makes bizarre statement. You know, but now it's acceptable. But I mean, it's like this. Look at it and see. Does this really yield anything other than death and destruction?
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah. I wanted to say, Al, because we were going in the same vein before when he said, In Colossians 1:18, he is the head of the body, the church. And then I made that illustration about the chicken with his head cut off. In Colossians 2:19, he has lost connection with the head. And then now he's revisiting it in verse 15 of chapter 3. Let the peace of Christ rule in your heart, since as members of one body, you were called to peace. You know, I love that John 14:25, because if you really analyze that section in verse 25, he says all this I have spoken while I was still with you. So when he says, peace, I leave with you, that's what he was referring to, correct? And then when he said, but the counsel of the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I've said to you. That's when he addresses in the second part of 27, I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not be afraid. And I think that ties in to when it says that in verse 19 of chapter 1 of Colossians. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him. And then when he got to chapter two in verse nine, he says, for in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. And then it makes that magic statement in verse 10 of chapter 2, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. And so when you read all that and you just kind of take a time out and say, what exactly does this mean? That's why the first time I said that the denominational world in North America should unite in Jesus and let's work the rest of the stuff out later. Well, I didn't know that was controversial because I'm reading these types of text and as I refer to that seven hour Bible study with a teacher. Well, we kind of came from two different brands of church. You know, he was raised in a totally different segment. And so that's what caused the discussion to be so lengthy because I noticed once we kind of disarmed the denominational baggage that we all bring forth, like these subtle differences that made the different churches and just read the Bible with a focus on Jesus, it was amazing to me how open minded he became to the Scriptures. And I really think if you want to have peace, that's what we all have to constantly remind ourselves is that the Bible is the Bible and he wrote it. And when you have Jesus as the filter, it kind of breaks down a lot of these disagreements that we have that, that has caused the opposite of peace, which is what I would say would be division and bitterness. Just, just think how we got here with I don't know how many denominations there are in North America. Last number I heard was like 10,000. And that's just in people who believe Jesus is the son of God. Well, how did we get 10,000 different groups who tend to kind of argue with each other and meanwhile this other city that's out there that we're living in desperately, desperately needs to hear about Jesus.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, and you pull things out of that other city's descriptions and inject them into this conversation and that's what you'll start to see. I want to continue down my thread in Isaiah 9 to John 14 and read Romans 5 because here I think Paul shows you now once Jesus has left and sent his Holy Spirit, which by the way, if you want to see what that looks like, that kind of piece, look at Acts two and look at Acts four, there's a Greek word called koinea or koinonia, which is a spirit among the spirit filled people. And you'll see what it should look like. And to your point, Jace, it, it shouldn't be divisive, it should be very unifying. But here's what Paul said in Romans 5 and look at the word he uses again. Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. So that's the ultimate peace that we're talking about, having this idea of being one with Christ, fullness as you described, Jase, Verse two, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Yeah, that's what it looks like.
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Jase Robertson
That's why that gaining access. Now just think about this. You surrender to Christ, you bury the old self that we're, you know, we're talking about Colossians 3, that you now have a new self that's part of a body of a head who's representing us in heaven. That's why my favorite definition of the Bible is Genesis to Malachi is Jesus is coming. You mentioned it in Isaiah 9, Matthew through John, we have a picture of Jesus while he was on the earth and what he did. And then you have acts of the revelation, which I'm going to amend this definition that I heard that I've used a thousand times. It's what Jesus is doing now through spirit filled people and a promise of him coming back. Which is the title of your podcast there, Zach Now, not yet in the way I said it, but yours is actually Not Yet Now. So maybe, maybe you could have meant that that is what I was going to lead up to that definition of the Bible and Jesus being the filter. I think you should now rename your podcast I Plan to do this.
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Al Robertson
It's too Late now.
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Jase Robertson
No, no, no, look, all you have to do is add something. Not Yet Now. Now. Not Yet. Well, that rolls.
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Zach Dasher
Cut off the tug.
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Jase Robertson
Not Yet Now. Now. Not Yet.
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Al Robertson
That is good.
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Jase Robertson
And so then people all over the world say, look, well, it's kind of like a takeoff to how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? You're like, hey, have you heard that new podcast Not Yet Now Now Not Yet. They're like, wait, what? It's so confusing. I have to go listen to it.
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Al Robertson
I want to have to make sure I get all the search engine optimization stuff purchased for any possible variation of that of that phrase.
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Jase Robertson
But yeah, now that I can buy.
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Zach Dasher
Into, let me give you this last thought that I had about this idea of peace, because what does the result look like? Or what should it look like? And there were two other passages. One was in Philippians 4, which is a famous passage, but think about it. Dad calls it Piece of my, which he says is the rarest of all commodities. And he's right, but this is what it looks like he says in Philippians 4. 6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your request to God. And here's what will happen. Verse 7, and the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, you can't really put your finger on it because it's bigger than. You will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. And then Paul says in Romans 12, 17, 21, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. So what happens is when you have this peace of mind, the rarest of all commodities, that can only come from being full in Christ, it therefore affects how you live towards other people. And that starts inside the body of believers, but it goes to everyone. He says, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. That means inside the body and outside the body. So it does change at a fundamental level who you are. And so I just, I love that, you know, Paul says in that one verse in Colossians, but would really, when you go back and look, this theme is throughout the entire Scriptures about what peace looks like.
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Al Robertson
And what if everything you did, what if that was the question you said, does this lead to peace or does this lead to restlessness? And what if we just said, I'm just going to get rid of the stuff that leads to restlessness and I'm going to take on the stuff that leads to peace. What if we did that?
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Jase Robertson
And I'm going to say this, this peace that we have in Christ ruling, it's based on a promise. And that promise is based on a certainty. And I introduced that idea about the two cities. So I just wanted to read this in closing. In Revelation 21. I know read this often, but just with the idea of the two cities. In chapter 21, it says, I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe away every tear. There will be no more death, no mourning, crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne, which is what he's doing now, I am making everything new. And you say, what about the other city? In verse seven, he says, he who overcomes will inherit all this. And I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice witchcraft and magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And then he goes on to verse 22, and he says, I did not see a temple in the city because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of of the nations will be brought into it. I just thought I needed to read that since we set it up.
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Zach Dasher
That's so good. And it's a clear choice.
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Al Robertson
Makes me want to go to 22, because that very next chapter, it talks about the tree of life come this restoration of Eden. And I love it how it talks about the leaves of that tree will be a healing bomb for the nations. And I just think, man, that's a beautiful picture.
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Zach Dasher
That's what we need. Clear choice. I'd say we all think door number two.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, well. And I say the next time somebody asks you, you know, where you're from, don't give them the city on earth. That would be a good way to introduce Jesus.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah. City of God. I love it. All right, we'll see you next time on Unashamed. We'll pick it up. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on itunes, and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to BlazeTV@BlazeTV.com Unashamed.