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Jase Robertson
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Phil Robertson
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Zach Robertson
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Jase Robertson
To be. I am unashamed.
Al Robertson
What about you?
Phil Robertson
Welcome back to Unashamed Winter. Zach. Winter has set upon Louisiana. It's our first major cold spell. It was funny because there's a guy at church yesterday, he's from Wisconsin, so I'm like, man, we're. Everybody's batting down the hatches, you know, of course it was 70 degrees. It was raining.
Jase Robertson
75.
Phil Robertson
75 degrees and raining. And just, you know, but you knew it was coming, you know, this big polar vortex. And so mom was supposed to come in and go to church and come to my house for my birthday. We were having a little lunch. Mainly, I planned it around her coming in, and then I got word that she didn't come in because she was worried about slipping and falling on the ice.
Jase Robertson
Oh, wow.
Phil Robertson
And I was like, 75 degrees. Are we gonna. What is it now, opponent? Well, now it's 35 right now. It was, but it got down to 28 last night.
Jase Robertson
Yeah, I would have thought she had planned on bringing a bag of ice.
Phil Robertson
Well, I said, mom, are you worried about, like, them throwing out ice at the church, like, you know, after the morning breakfast or whatever? What. What. Exactly. What ice are we going to slip on when it's 75? So. But she was just looking ahead to potential ice. So y'all were all geared up. You were gonna hunt. It was excitement. Everybody's like, 75 degrees.
Jase Robertson
I had some guests that I took duck hunting on Saturday, and then Sunday morning, and then, you know, it just didn't happen. It was 75 degrees. They said it was gonna rain. And. But, you know, we had a limited time. We went before church and just didn't happen. So then the rain really didn't happen until way later.
Phil Robertson
Yeah, it was, like, pretty rude. In fact, we had a lot of hit where it wasn't here, but, like, up north in north east, right in the corner of Louisiana, they had tornadoes.
Jase Robertson
And so then last night, I walked outside to get, you know, you get ready during duck season. You get ready for the next day. And I was like, whoa. And it was like 35 degrees. So it went from 75 to 35.
Phil Robertson
In about six hours.
Zach Robertson
So I saw you guys had a tornado warning or something popped.
Phil Robertson
Yeah, that was the local weather people were just. Yeah, I was trying to watch football game.
Jase Robertson
Don't bring up weather people. I went off today, which the blind thought it was kind of funny, but probably shouldn't share this because we may have some meteorologists. Here's what got me. Here's what got me. So it's 50 degree temperature change in 24 hours. Just 25 degrees.
Phil Robertson
Which for duck hunting down here is usually a good thing.
Jase Robertson
Usually a good thing.
Phil Robertson
Clear.
Jase Robertson
Right before I went to bed last night, I kind of had an awkward moment with my wife because I brought this, thought this was funny. I came out of her closet because I lost. I have that when it gets really cold. I have these. I don't know what they're called. You put it around your neck and it's got Velcro gator. And you can pull it on your face.
Phil Robertson
The gator.
Jase Robertson
Well, I got it. I had a gator and I left it somewhere in the blind. I can't find it. So I'm looking through my hunting closet and didn't find anything. So then I was just looking in the main closet and I thought, huh, I don't remember buying this. So I thought, what a purchase. I'll put it on for you. Looking. I put this thing on. It took me five minutes to figure this out. That you actually twist it?
Phil Robertson
Yeah, so it's like a.
Jase Robertson
Let me take my earphones off.
Phil Robertson
This is pathetic.
Jase Robertson
Podcast man strangled while trying to. So look, you see this? So I came out.
Phil Robertson
For those of you listening, Jason's put a. It looks like a sable, maybe a mink neck wrap. He's double wrapped it around his neck.
Jase Robertson
So I.
Phil Robertson
It's like a bearded Marilyn Monroe.
Jase Robertson
So I came out of the closet wearing this, and my wife is looking at me.
Phil Robertson
That's an infinity scarf.
Jase Robertson
You know what she said?
Phil Robertson
Did you know that's an infinity scarf?
Jase Robertson
No, that's not what she said.
Phil Robertson
She said that's what Maddie just.
Jase Robertson
She said. Is that what it's called?
Phil Robertson
Yeah, because you double twist. I can see why they call it. It's like the infinity sign.
Jase Robertson
That's the problem I have with that. What are they selling you in that moment?
Phil Robertson
They're saying eternity days. It's all about, you wear this, you will live forever.
Jase Robertson
So my wife looks at me and she Said, why do you have my scarf on? Well, I did not know what to say in that moment because I could not remember her wearing this. And I.
Phil Robertson
It's never cold enough to wear it unless you hunt.
Jase Robertson
And so I had cut the tag off because I thought, why did I never take the tag off this thing?
Phil Robertson
Oh, boy.
Jase Robertson
And she said, what did you do? Did you cut the tag off? And I was like, is that illegal?
Phil Robertson
It's like a mattress.
Jase Robertson
Anyway, I said. She said, you know what? You can keep it.
Phil Robertson
It's like a toothbrush. Once you've used it, it's yours.
Jase Robertson
I wore that morning. And, you know, these guys. I'm hunting. I thought we were all in here. And somebody said, are you wearing a woman's scarf? And I said, the fact that, you know, that to me, is more disturbing than me having it on, because that.
Zach Robertson
Is called gaslighting, by the way, I.
Jase Robertson
Want to tell you something right now. That was as warm as my neck has ever been. 25 degrees. Because here's what I got a theory.
Phil Robertson
Sometimes it doesn't matter, does it? I mean, if it's.
Jase Robertson
Look, these people, they. They're. They feel like it's all about what you get sued for.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
If a woman or some kids or whatever get cold and. But they're like, oh, no. So I really think their clothes are warmer for fear of lawsuits. Some old guy, he's not going to lie.
Phil Robertson
I think their clothes are warmer because they're much thinner than us. Generally, you're pretty thin. But for the rest of us, we got it. I got my own little heat, you know, extras going on.
Jase Robertson
So anyway, there I am in my scarf, and, you know, we're hunting. Well, the last thing I looked at before I went to bed last night was the forecast. Well, I'm paying attention to these actual weather organizations.
Phil Robertson
Every hour matters when clearing and all that.
Jase Robertson
Somebody told me they're all run by the government. I don't know. So I look, and for today, it said it had a emoji. You know how they. Because I'm looking at. On my phone. I think that's what they're called. I don't know. Maybe not. But it was a sun. Just a sun. No, no, no clouds.
Phil Robertson
And it said that characterized Zach as an emoji. A picture of the sun on the. On his phone.
Zach Robertson
There's one.
Phil Robertson
Okay.
Jase Robertson
Okay. Well, this was. This was on their forecast. They had a sun, which means clear. Clear. Had, you know, north wind, 15 to 30, perfect northwest wind. I said, okay, so we're going to Our best clear day. Hole in the timber. But I left out one part that it, that it had because I didn't realize it in the moment, but when I got to thinking about it. So I get up this morning, we're all, we're going to the elmhole. Well, when I crank the motor up, there's six men. We're headed off on this adventure before daylight, cold, everybody bundled up.
Phil Robertson
You know, nobody else had an infinity scarf though, but you.
Jase Robertson
I actually looked up into the sky because, look, and we're talking about in the beginning was the word. And why that is a thing in John. Because words matter. And even though they only had a picture of a son, they're in the business of people trusting what they say. So, and if you don't know if I was a weatherman, put partly cloudy or mostly cloudy, because that way you can say, well, I don't really know. And if it was cloudy at any time during the day, you would technically be right. Would you agree?
Phil Robertson
Correct.
Jase Robertson
So I actually looked up into the sky and I didn't see a star. And I thought, that's weird. And then when I thought back to that picture that I saw in my memory before I went back, because you know how the last thing you see sometimes. And I got the visual, I remember that sun had a smiley face on it. And I think in that moment, that's when I started getting angry. I thought not only did it have a son emoji, the sun that didn't make you smile? No, the sun, they had it smiling.
Phil Robertson
But you weren't smiling well.
Jase Robertson
And I thought, well, they didn't say partly sunny, partly cloud. They said clear with a smiley face. So I said, I think that must be fog. Jay said, that's fog. I looked at the weather forecast. You know how Jay is, he's like taking control. He said, it's going to be clear.
Phil Robertson
As soon as the sun comes up.
Jase Robertson
I said, okay, all right, good. We're good. I just making sure because I mean, who you trust here, we get up in that blind and the sun wouldn't come up. You know why? Because it was cloudy, not partly cloudy. So at 10 o'clock, which was my cutoff time to be sitting in this chair, I had to leave by 10 to get here at 11. Guess what happened at 10 o'clock when I hear the motor coming, which means get all the stuff. We had to park the motor. Clear saw the clear lie. It finally happened. You know, I'm beginning to think in this moment that the waterfowl, the meteorologists and the demonic forces of evil are all in cahoots. And that. I mean, how can you make that up when I leaving? I mean, we only shot four ducks. You know why? Wrong place.
Phil Robertson
Wrong hole.
Jase Robertson
Wrong hole.
Phil Robertson
What's funny is I wasn't there, but I guess I've hunted enough to know. I walked outside to my truck at 8:45 and it was cloudy. And I thought, that's not good because it's cold, the wind's blowing. But I thought, that's probably not good for Jason then, because it should be clear not knowing anything you were going through. And then I go get my truck at 10 to come down here because I'd take some food by mom and Dad's, and the clear line had already hit in town, but it was still 30 minutes from you. And I thought, you know what? This is probably going to be a story on the podcast.
Jase Robertson
See, we had the creator's creation. We had the wind, you know, likening to the spirit, but we had the wrong word, Al. We were trusting the wrong source. That's what I thought in that moment, because I was really getting angry and I thought I gotta. You thought one. One.
Zach Robertson
That's what you thought?
Jase Robertson
I did think John won one.
Zach Robertson
Well, I do a little. I did a little thing called accuweather. And you got to get the app, but it's pretty.
Phil Robertson
Pretty accurate. Is the ACCU stand for Find that.
Jase Robertson
Hard to believe that it's accurate.
Zach Robertson
Well, I also look at the radar and make my own determination based on what I see coming.
Phil Robertson
Oh, Zach, he's a. He's a.
Jase Robertson
You know, I'm not sure that's accurate.
Phil Robertson
He doesn't trust any of it Now, Zach, that's what happens.
Jase Robertson
I got an idea. Look, when I.
Phil Robertson
You saw a smiley son that.
Jase Robertson
Oh, the smile. That's what made me angry because I thought, you know what?
Phil Robertson
It's almost like they're just taunting you with the smile.
Jase Robertson
Why the smile?
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
So then that led to, you know, I said a few things I probably shouldn't have, and I said, look, I'm not for. I did not promote violence, kidnapping, or anything like that. I was like, but you know what would be funny? If we all loaded up in a van and we went to whoever's house was in charge of putting that smiley face on that sun, and they come out, we're like, hey, what happened.
Zach Robertson
Though? You did get signed. It just didn't happen in the time.
Jase Robertson
Frame that you thought it was going to happen. If that's what they say, put partly cloudy And I was going to say, look, we made life decisions based on your information. That could not have been any more wrong because that sun didn't come out for the first 10 hours of that particular day. From midnight to 10am it was supposed to be clear. There was zero sun.
Phil Robertson
Now it's a big miss.
Jase Robertson
Before 6am you wouldn't have seen the sun, but it was cloudy for 10 hours of said day.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
Which is almost half.
Phil Robertson
Well, it's funny because while you were dealing with all that we were yesterday, I was watching, trying to watch football games. But this web, this severe weather was in our area during the games. And so I'm watching our two local television stations where they're cutting in. Of course, at least now they'll have a little picture of the game going on while they're in a bigger picture telling you what's going on. The weather. So I'm not saying they do anything wrong. They're just, you know, trying to tell you where the tornado might be. But the production value. One thing I appreciate about the Weather Channel is kind of a compilation of at least accomplished people on camera.
Jase Robertson
Yeah.
Phil Robertson
There's a woman up here locally, you know what?
Jase Robertson
Missy actually brought this up. She said, I just listened to a weather alert, and the woman doing the weather alert did not know the names of the town.
Phil Robertson
It was so terrible. So she wasn't from here. And look, she's on camera and she's looking down and reading, which I get that she's getting bulletins, the. The weather things behind her. And she kept walking off camera. She would just wander off. We're just looking at an empty chair with the thing, and she's talking in the background. And I just. Maddie. Where's Maddie? They need Maddie. You need a weekend job because at least stay on camera when you're talking people accountable.
Jase Robertson
And something was so bad, you guys are.
Zach Robertson
You got to understand that your market is like the minor league market.
Phil Robertson
Oh, it's worse than the minor leagues. It's. It's not even semi pro. It's.
Zach Robertson
It says before you get into single a ball, you got.
Phil Robertson
You go to this poor woman as a she. She's wandered into this job from someplace, but she does not need to be on tv. I mean, just saying, you got to.
Jase Robertson
Beware of jobs that anyone can do. Yeah, because you obviously don't have to be accurate.
Phil Robertson
Well, you did though, didn't you? Weren't you the weatherman on an episode on the Little Duck Show? Was that.
Jase Robertson
I think Phil was.
Phil Robertson
He was the weatherman because Y'all took over the. It was a takeover of the local tv.
Jase Robertson
No, I think. Sigh. Was the weatherman Phil actually pretty good at the weather? He keeps up.
Phil Robertson
Well, they did a. No, they went to dad in a remote.
Al Robertson
Oh.
Jase Robertson
And he gave a rant because he'd been out there a couple hours. No, look, everybody that has ever watched our duck show, I'm going to say something that you're going to find hard to believe. If somebody can find the archives of that episode, I'm sure it's out there somewhere. That bit of us doing the weather was 100% off the top of everyone's head because.
Phil Robertson
Yeah, it did.
Jase Robertson
It seemed like we were there.
Phil Robertson
I wasn't in that episode, but I watched it. Yeah.
Jase Robertson
No, look, we get there and something happened. The producer didn't show up. Whatever new.
Phil Robertson
I would just wing in the whole.
Jase Robertson
Hey, how hard is it to do the local weather and news? Turn the camera on. Well, I was kind of kidding. And they turned the camera. Willie looked at me and I looked at him and I. And whatever happened was 100%. And look, so. So we forgot about Phil. We had done most of the episode. I'm putting that in quotation mark, because all we did was just go off inside. Went over there doing the weather. And then somebody said, well, Phil's outside. He's been outside for a couple hours. So I was like, well, let's go to Phil. And Phil unprovoked. There's nobody around Phil.
Phil Robertson
He's just standing out there.
Jase Robertson
He has a microphone, and it looks.
Phil Robertson
Like he's in the woods because there's woods behind him. Yeah.
Jase Robertson
He just went on this rant that made no sense at all. And I don't know if he got what he was like, Zach. When Zach does ads for this very podcast, in the early years, Zach would go like, wrestling color commentator. And I thought, zach, why are you doing that? And he was like, what? But he was like, hey, this is. You know, we've got a new sponsor here. This guy from parts unknown. He's gonna. What? Zach, we're doing an ad for chocolate.
Phil Robertson
Just make it natural.
Jase Robertson
So.
Phil Robertson
Well, speaking. Speaking of ze.
Jase Robertson
All right, come on.
Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
Welcome to the podcast. We were just talking about when the time on our little duck show we did the local news because I was mad this morning because the weather people got it wrong.
Al Robertson
You can't trust them.
Jase Robertson
Yeah, I agree. You cannot trust what they say. We've been talking about in the beginning was the word. Words matter. That's why God as the word became flesh. He's like. Because when he says something, it's a big deal. I'll say this. Since we've been. Pull your mic up. Sigh. A little birdie told me that. Look, I will tell you this.
Phil Robertson
That's how production works. Somebody tells you to do stuff. No, you just don't wander off camera and come back.
Jase Robertson
I'm going to tell you this. When God says something, when he speaks, things happen. Yeah, they happen.
Al Robertson
Well, he did the lesson Sunday and it was about the power. Who's got the power?
Phil Robertson
Who's got the power?
Al Robertson
Hey, the Almighty has got the power. Okay?
Zach Robertson
You got it.
Al Robertson
Just like you said, when he speaks, things start happening.
Jase Robertson
It happens.
Al Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
That's why it comes down to who you trust. You can't trust other people.
Al Robertson
Well, you got to understand, they live in buildings with no windows so they don't have a clue of what is going on?
Phil Robertson
They're just looking at machines all day.
Jase Robertson
Words matter. Are we sure that's true?
Al Robertson
Well, I'm just saying other people live.
Phil Robertson
Saying, how can it not be true? Because obviously they're not looking at the.
Al Robertson
They're not looking because, hey, it's pouring out, you know, just raining cows, horses and dogs and cats. And they're saying, oh, it's going to be clear and sunny today.
Jase Robertson
We actually, actually looked up this morning because they were making fun of me because I was wearing a scarf. Then we actually.
Phil Robertson
He was wearing Missy's scarves.
Jase Robertson
We looked up the weather and it said it was clear and I was.
Al Robertson
Looking and it's not clear.
Jase Robertson
It's not even partly clear.
Phil Robertson
It was fully cloudy.
Jase Robertson
Fully cloudy. And I say, there you go. So then they were making fun of me, and then all of a sudden they started scrambling like a bunch of junior high kids that had that thought they were in trouble. What happened was everybody got cold about 8 o'clock because the wind just howling. There's no sun, it's below freezing. Things are icing up, people. We heard a kaboom. Boom, boom. Because when you walk up the ladder, the staircase, well, the water hit the steps. Well, the first time somebody shot a duck, said, I'll go get the duck frozen. Bump, bump, bump down the ladder. Bam, hit the water. Now they're breaking out fires trying to do all this. So then they started rolling down for the door. There's a piece of felt that's rolled.
Al Robertson
Up and it's frozen.
Jase Robertson
It was frozen. They cut the string and kind of roll it down, you know, acting like we was going to freeze to death. And it was like 29 degrees. They roll it down. Well, what. They didn't realize that there were thousands of spiders and had decided in that row this is their home.
Al Robertson
Oh, it could have been worse. It could have been purple tail wall.
Jase Robertson
Yeah, they. Well, they all took off running. I said, they're not poisonous.
Phil Robertson
As far as you know.
Jase Robertson
There's a big one, you know.
Al Robertson
I'm glad I missed him so. Oh, boy.
Jase Robertson
Well, then the fire that was.
Phil Robertson
Was Zach with you? Because this sounds like.
Jase Robertson
No, but I felt like I was hunting with a bunch of Z. So then somebody flicked a spider because once the spiders got warm, they became active. Well, yeah, they were looking for a new home.
Phil Robertson
Yeah, Jackets, beards, beards.
Jase Robertson
And somebody had one in their beard and flicked it up and I mean, it was one of those big ones.
Phil Robertson
Giants, Big old wood spiders.
Jase Robertson
Somebody said, oh, spiders on me. I was like, this is embarrassing. I'm sitting down there acting like a.
Phil Robertson
Man wearing your infinity scarf.
Jase Robertson
No fire. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know where we got off on that.
Phil Robertson
So say you mentioned my sermon yesterday because I was. I did an overview of Ephesians because we're about to study Ephesians at the church. So was that the point you liked the most? Was.
Al Robertson
Well, no, no. Yeah, that was my favorite part of the sermon.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Al Robertson
Okay. Because, you know, when people on. Back on the words, when people read stuff, sometimes it doesn't sink in and doesn't give you the information you really. You should be listening to, which is.
Jase Robertson
Why God became a man. I don't think we talked about that. The word means or in the Greek language, logos or logos, depending on how you learned it.
Phil Robertson
Right.
Jase Robertson
What is the official pronunciation?
Phil Robertson
I think it's Logos, isn't it, Zach?
Zach Robertson
I think I've heard it said both ways. It's kind of like people who say Augustine. Or if you're from Florida, he called it. You call him St. Augustine. Augustine from Florida, he called it Augustine.
Phil Robertson
Yeah. We're starting to study the book of Ephesians, which we did on the podcast. And so my job was to give an overview of what the whole book is about, which, of course, it's about Jesus, which was great for where we're going in the Book of John, because I don't know of a better place to zero in on the I am of who Jesus is, especially in John 1. But in doing that, I was trying to show the different, like, snapshots that Paul did. And I mentioned this in a previous podcast that N.T. wright called it the London Eye. It was just like a perspective of above. And you get to look at the whole picture.
Al Robertson
The song, I'm looking through the window.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Al Robertson
Up above.
Phil Robertson
Right, Exactly. And you get to see that, which is really powerful. So that was my whole point in the sermon, trying to give that big picture overview of. Of who Christ is.
Al Robertson
Well, because that's why I got on the kick. Okay. And my preaching when I'm out about talking about, hey, look, the Father's a spirit, the Holy Spirit is a spirit, but when you come to the Son, he was a man.
Jase Robertson
Yeah. And is still a man.
Al Robertson
And still of man. Okay. Flesh and blood, just like us, but without sin.
Phil Robertson
Fully human.
Al Robertson
Fully human. But he's deity.
Phil Robertson
Right.
Al Robertson
Okay. He's the Creator. Okay. That's why the thing about, hey, we're limited, but God's not limited. He's beyond limits. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah.
Jase Robertson
Which is heavy.
Al Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
Which is why when you read the first chapter of John, you're like, whoa.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
I mean, because really, John is a simple book. It's basically, God loves us, he became a man. His name is Jesus, and whoever believes in him will have eternal life. Would you agree?
Phil Robertson
I agree.
Al Robertson
And we can't even define love. Okay. Really? Correctly.
Jase Robertson
No, I agree with that.
Al Robertson
I'm serious. Because God loves the human race. Good grief. Okay. Just beyond measure.
Phil Robertson
I quoted the verse yesterday in First John 4. You know, we love because Christ first loved us.
Al Robertson
He loved us.
Zach Robertson
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Jase Robertson
Well, Jesus is at the right hand.
Phil Robertson
Ultimately, I appeal to the grace of God, but I don't know if that's going to help me with the irs.
Jase Robertson
Is Caesar still around?
Phil Robertson
I did realize something is that back when I didn't make any money at all, I had few tax problems. But you start making a little money, it doesn't take long before you're dealing with the irs.
Zach Robertson
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Phil Robertson
I was going to mention this. Jason, you mentioned about John and its Uniqueness. And I mentioned before a little bit about the other books, but someone wrote it this way, which I thought was pretty good. I wrote this down. This is Matthew. This is the Messiah, the king worship him. We talked about that kind of from a Jewish perspective. Mark, this is the servant who served humanity. Follow him. Which you get that theme in his book Luke, this is the only man among men without sin. Emulate him is kind of the thrust and definitely seen from the Greek perspective. John, this is God in human flesh. Believe in him. This book is more about challenging what you believe to be true. And the idea you come to the point where you say there's really no other way I can live without this being truth because you're always going to fall short otherwise.
Al Robertson
But here's the thing most people don't get. Okay. Because I've heard them, they say some so much stupid stuff. Okay.
Jase Robertson
Kind of like weather men.
Al Robertson
Well, no, no. But Jesus was tempted in every way, just like we are. Me and Phil had talked about Hebrews chapter four. Yeah, yeah. When I said, we used to talk about it and say, well, how did he pull it off? He was a man and he, I mean he was human just like us. How did he pull it off? And for years we didn't come up with an answer. And then he said, hey, you're forgetting the main three, faith, hope and love. Which is what is the greatest love? He loved Jesus Christ, a man. But deity loved perfectly. That's the only way he could have pulled it off. Okay. And that's what I said about when he. That God loves the human race and we don't even, we can't even give a definition, a good definition of the word love.
Zach Robertson
I think the case John's making is twofold. It's that he's man, but it's also that he's God and not just God. To your point about N.T. wright, who's been very helpful for me and reading through the New Testament, trying to look at it through the lens of what is the bigger picture here that the writers are writing into. And, and can you like, can we step back and have a different vantage point? One of the things that I found interesting about John, one, when it says in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God. The Word was God there. I mean, John's writing this in a culture that really has a different frame of reference than we would have as, as first century Judaism. They would have a different reference for that. But if you go back to the Old Testament, you see this kind of dilemma in the Old Testament, I wrote some of these down because I thought they were interesting. And I think John's answering this in John 1. But you know, you have verses like Genesis 18 where it says, Yahweh appeared to him by the oaks of memory. And he sat, and he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. So you have this picture of Yahweh. It says he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran to the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth. So you have Yahweh actually appearing to someone. But then you read like in Exodus 33, it says, you can't see my face. Yahweh speaking for man, shall not see me and live. So there's like this tension in the Old Testament of can God be seen or can God be not seen? Again in Genesis 19 with Sodom and Gomorrah, it says, then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah, sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven. But then Amos 4:11, it says, I overthrew some of you, as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. And you were as, as a brand plucked out of the burning, yet you did not return to me, declares Yahweh. So it's interesting, you read that verse in Amos and you have this, this Yahweh, he's speaking of himself in the first person, but then he's also speaking of himself in the second person. I mean, sorry, third person. And, and it's like this weird, you try to make sense of that when you read the Old Testament and it really is difficult to understand. So in 1st century Judaism they have this thing called the Targum, which was a Targumist, was someone who would take the Hebrew, then they would interpret it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it. And when they went into the Old Testament and everywhere that we would read the Word, like God or Yahweh, they would change that to the word of Yahweh, the same exact word, Logos, that's used in John 1. And I can show you tons of examples of this. But I think the point is when you read that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God, and by him, everything was made. Without him, nothing was made. What John is declaring here is that this Jesus who came in the flesh is the Yahweh from the Old Testament that appeared to all these people so the Son of God was present even in the Old Testament, going all the way back to Genesis 1. That's why we ended that last podcast. We said, go read Genesis 1 and then read John 1. And you're going to see that these overlay. But it's not just Genesis 1, that this overlays with this overlays throughout the entire Old Testament. Anytime you see that the word, that Yahweh appearing to someone, that's actually the Son.
Phil Robertson
Which, to buttress your point, that's why in Ephesians 1, it says, before the creation of the world, he predetermined to predestined us to be like him, to conform in his image. To Psy's point, he did that out of immense love, and he hadn't even created us yet. To your point, Zay, he's always been there. The love has always been there, all throughout eternity. So there's no separation of that. It's not like the Messiah is just going to show up at some point to do these things because he has nothing in the game here. He's been a part of it from before the creation of the world.
Al Robertson
Well, the thing about what gets me is why I always say you need to realize Jesus was a man, human. And when you, you talk about that, and then when the Bible says, okay, he is the exact representation or image of the father.
Phil Robertson
Yeah, Hebrews 1:3.
Al Robertson
Okay, so. So that when you talk about Word, then the Word became flesh. You got to connect the dots here, people, and make this real to you. Because most people, Jesus is not real to them because they've never seen him work. The Robertson family, in my humble opinion, has been given a platform, a close connection of seeing him do things like Jake said, Jason said, when he speaks, things happen. Okay. And we've been given the privilege of watching him do what he does, which.
Jase Robertson
Is what the book of Ephesians is about, because it's from Jesus, at the right hand of God. We believe Jesus is reigning now. He's given his spirit to human beings.
Al Robertson
He gives us his love and great life.
Phil Robertson
Now, exactly, because I said it yesterday, my sermon over 50 times in the book of Ephesians, in Christ, in him, you know, because of him, everything is Him. It's him. And it's not us. We make too much out of being. It's his predetermination to love us, which was the key to everything.
Jase Robertson
So a few things when Zach said about the Old Testament's full of it, he's exactly right. These references of Jesus, who he Is him coming. So I'll give you a couple more examples. I read these last night. They're awesome. So you had Genesis 1 and 2, but Psalm 33, the whole chapter kind of gets into this. What was going on in the beginning. You'll read it, you'll see the connection. It sounds like John 1, Proverbs 8, which is that about wisdom. Well, wisdom becomes a man, a person that's coming that was with God in the beginning. Well, I wonder who that is. What do you think? Wisdom, logic. That's why when you see the Word, you're seeing logic here and love. And you're seeing these three, which I think the DNA of Jesus and God the Father is what you see in the book of John, which is light, life, and love. You see that over and over. I mean, when you start reading John 1, it says, through him all things were made. Without him, nothing was made that has been made. In him was life. Which. Then you think of the opposite, which when you read Psalm 33, you'll see he starts talking about the opposite of life, which is death. Because he's like, those who do not want to come to me will harm themselves. And it says the last verse in Psalm 33, they love death.
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
Jase Robertson
And you're like, well, they don't love.
Phil Robertson
Which, by the way, the Bible says.
Jase Robertson
That says they're going to love death. So what's.
Phil Robertson
And the same analogy words for darkness being the opposite of light. Exact same thing.
Jase Robertson
Well, that's where I was going. Yeah, but you. When. When. When you see those seed lines that y'all are talking about, which is three more of those is light, life, and love, which love comes a little later. But the most famous verse in John is, for God so loved the world. But then when you get all the way to chapter 17, all of a sudden, love's everywhere in that Jesus's prayer.
Al Robertson
That's why. That's why that we have a problem with. Okay. The Bible tells us. Okay, you really, really want to get to him. Love them.
Jase Robertson
All. Right, well, I want to do it. What did you.
Phil Robertson
What did you.
Zach Robertson
What did you say? What did you say?
Jase Robertson
Psalm 33.
Zach Robertson
No, Psalm 8. You said something about Psalm 30.
Phil Robertson
Proverbs 8.
Jase Robertson
Proverbs 8 is the wisdom.
Zach Robertson
Say that again because I want to read something after you say that, because.
Jase Robertson
Well, Proverbs 8 is about wisdom, but it turns into a person that was with God in the beginning. That.
Al Robertson
That's what I'm saying. You got to connect.
Zach Robertson
So listen to this. I got to read this then, because if you read in Genesis 1, chapter 1, verse 1 and 3, I'm going to read it. I'm going to read the actual verse and then I want to read how the Targumist would have interpreted, did interpret this, how the. Who, who the Targumist. These were the, these were the Second.
Jase Robertson
Temple, not the terrorists.
Zach Robertson
So they were like the sages in Second Temple Judaism that would teach the people. Yeah, so if you were a Jew and you would go to the synagogue and you would go learn from the, from these sages, then this is what they would have said. So Genesis 1, this is going to.
Jase Robertson
Go in with what I'm going to say. So good.
Zach Robertson
Targum, Genesis 1, 1 and 3 says, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And God said, let there be light. And there was light. So that, that's the, that's what the Bible says.
Jase Robertson
So my point to jump in, then you keep going, so what is the point that John's making when on whoever this word is? Because he hasn't identified him yet. He just says in the beginning was the word.
Zach Robertson
Yeah, what I, what I, the point I'm making though is that what you're saying about that passage in Proverbs 8 where wisdom is personified. The idea here is that when John's writing this, he's addressing something that was kind of accepted inside of Second Temple Judaism. They knew that somehow some of these guys knew that wisdom was personified. They knew that the word was personified. That's why they changed a lot of times when it says Yahweh, they would change it to the word of Yahweh. So the example in Genesis 1 is they would, they would have read that verse like this from the beginning. With Wisdom the Lord created and finished the heavens and the earth. That's that Psalm 8, I mean, a Proverb 8 reference. Then the word of the Lord said, let there be light. And there was light according to the decree of his word. So they were, they had, they knew the tension in the Old Testament. And the reason why this matters is, is because they didn't have, they didn't know his name was Jesus, but they did read the Old Testament. And they're like, something's going on here because there's like wisdom is personified in Psalm. I mean, sorry, proverb 8 and there's all these references of God being seen, but then he's not seen. And wait, how do we make other two Yahweh's? How do we make sense of all this? And they were trying to make Sense of it. And then John comes in with, with this gospel.
Jase Robertson
True, true.
Al Robertson
They're not doing. They're not connecting the dots.
Jase Robertson
No, you're right. Top. Gotta remember this. I think it's Deuteronomy 6. I could be wrong on that. But if you read the whole book of Deuteronomy, you'll find this. There was. There's the same language in John about saying there is one God. Because I want to introduce something here for our talk. This. I was listening to Phil's favorite scholar. I don't think he's a scholar. He doesn't claim to be, but I like his teaching. Is this Mackey from somewhere on the West Coast? Bill?
Phil Robertson
Who's Mackey?
Jase Robertson
Yeah, infamously said that. Who is Mackey? But I listened to his little class on John 1, the first chapter, the prologue. So and he, he mentioned Proverbs 8, Psalm 33. But he also mentioned, I think Deuteronomy 6 about this. There's one God. So and, and the audience of Jesus didn't have a problem with that. And one of the themes, because he mentioned a series of books by Richard Bachman. Have you or Bachman, have you heard of him, Zach?
Zach Robertson
I have not heard of him.
Jase Robertson
And so I said, well, who's Richard Bachmann? Because he was getting this stuff from him and he's like, he does a really good job of showing the themes in the book of John. And he's like, you wouldn't believe how many there are that then references the Old Testament. Well, one of them was this idea of oneness or one. And so I've looked up Richard Bultman and listened to an hour and 15 minute lecture. He's not the most dynamic speaker, but I felt like my head was about to explode as I listened because it was really good. And what he basically said. So I've gone from, from Matthew to Bachman. Then after my head exploded of looking up every time this idea of oneness is mentioned or one. Because what you're going to find is remember in the prayer in John 17, it's a lot of praying about. I pray that they'll be one as we are one. And the whole problem going back to that Deuteronomy 6, when all the trouble started for Jesus and I want to.
Phil Robertson
Read this even to that point, even 14, 15, 16 to John leads up to that concept of oneness. Because he's saying I'm going to leave, but I'll still be here because I'm sending you.
Jase Robertson
Well, exactly. And look to say this was over my Head is an understatement. And so I took a couple of pictures of some of the things that he noticed. But one thing he pointed out, and don't panic because I'm not giving you the context all this. He's like, surprisingly, when you look, read the Book of John, it's all individualistic. All the pronouns when it comes to people are like, singular, he said, which is very strange because he said at some point he wants everyone to be one, but he keeps using singular. The only exception was in John 1. And just. You'll see my point when I get finished was this, when the only time he was plural is verse 12 of John 1, where it says 11 and 12. These are all plural. When he's like, he came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. And he kind of made a point that he was telling a narrative here of the overall view, you know, of all people. But he's like, Even in John 3:16, after he sent his son to save the world, but whoever, which is one. Our translation puts whoever, but it's the word for one, one, any one person. And he's like. It's real individualistic. And Mackie made the point based on that. It's almost like he's writing this so that every individual person would say, okay, this is here, let me. Let me introduce Jesus to you. But then he did it in such a way that the more you read it, the different facets of who Jesus is like, continues to help you grow. Then it becomes bigger. And when he said that, it, like, hit me because I thought, well, that's what happened to me. I first read the Book of John. I thought, forget everything else. I need to follow Jesus. But now I can't stop reading it and stop learning because I keep seeing things that I didn't see the first time I read it, you know? So his point was going back to Baltman. He makes this claim based on the Deuteronomy 6, that everybody went, oh, yeah, there's one God. But then when he added this, here's where the problems happen, and I'm going to read it. This is John 10, because in the next chapter they start trying to kill him. In verse 30, watch how this works. It says, my Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. So. Or, see, what does that say? Is greater than all, greater than anyone. No one can snatch them out of my Father's Hand. Well, everybody's like, that's what I'm talking about. There's one God, and he's greater than anyone. But this next statement is where the problems happen. This is what's revolutionary about what John's writing to the Jewish audience. I and the Father are one.
Al Robertson
What?
Jase Robertson
Here's a guy who built houses. You know, I know he's seemingly done a few miracles, but when he said, I am the Father, we're talking Yahweh, the God that you trusted the. Remember the laws, and I immediately sent you.
Al Robertson
When he asked, who do I say sent me? I am. You tell them, I am sent you. Because I get over. I got one question. And here's the question. Where does everything come from? That would be Jesus.
Jase Robertson
Exactly.
Al Robertson
Everything comes from Jesus.
Jase Robertson
So let me read this.
Al Robertson
Love, all of it. Everything.
Jase Robertson
Exactly. And here's a good point for that. In verse 38, listen to this bombshell. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles. So he's making a case. Okay, you don't believe. I'm, you know, proof in the pudding. He's like, but I'm doing miracles. But then watch what he says. He doubles down on this statement that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I in the Father.
Al Robertson
Yeah, they're like one. Yeah, we're one.
Jase Robertson
That's not. That's not jiving with Deuteronomy 6. You know, they're like, where were you when Deuteronomy 6 was written? But all the rest of the people get it because you remember what John the Baptist said. He's like, jesus is greater than me because he was before me. Wait, what? He was the Creator, and he has now become a human.
Phil Robertson
Because you're right, Jason. What he's done is he's now expanded what the definition of the true Messiah really was. In other words, they only view as the Messiah coming as a prophet, as in Elijah, to tell us about the Father. Jesus blows their mind because he says, no, I and the Father are one. I'm coming not just as the Messiah, but as the Savior of the world, the Son of God and God, which is what makes his argument so powerful. And you're right. They never. All of their history and everything they had looked for in the Messiah, the restoration of Israel, physical Israel, all the stuff that was there, they never understood that God would become flesh.
Al Robertson
And the thing about it is, okay, he's all knowing. He's everywhere at once. He's all powerful.
Jase Robertson
Well, I want to read another one. So when you get to John 17:11, look what he says. I will remain in the world no longer. But they are still in the world, talking about praying for his disciples, and I am coming to you, Al. Which is what Ephesians is about. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. Now you're like, wait a minute, this is getting deep. Well, it's going to get deeper. When he prays for all the believers. Look in verse 23 of 17, I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them and even as you have loved me. And so this Bachmann made the point to go to your point when you brought up love. If you start backtracking from there. In John 15, you remember when he got with his disciples and he said, you know what real love is? Somebody lay down his life.
Al Robertson
My first friend.
Jase Robertson
Well, what. Why is Jesus here? Well, John 3:16, for God so loved the world that he sent his son. What is John 13 talking about? When he watched his disciples, he said, as I did this to you. Love one another. And he just made the point. He's like, you know what you won't see in the Bible? You won't see humans in humans. You'll see humans in Christ. You'll see Christ in God, he said, but you won't see that. And he's like, and don't let that disturb you. But he's saying, God is love, and he proved it by giving Jesus. And you're seeing this, like, circle of love.
Zach Robertson
You do see a picture, though.
Jase Robertson
Well, that's where I was headed. You see a resemblance based on you being in their inner circle. Once you.
Zach Robertson
I'm saying, I'm saying you see it. You see it in marriage, though, when the two shall become one flesh. So marriage is a picture of reflection of what you're talking about. So I might push, depending on what he means by that. I haven't read him, but I do think there's a picture in the sexual union of marriage, the two a man shall leave his father and mother, the two shall be united and become one flesh. Well, you have two different people.
Jase Robertson
Well, he says, Zach, he says exactly what you're saying. Well, his point, I was getting there. He says, although you wouldn't character your characterize yourself as God, you're in Christ, and then all of a sudden these reflections start happening. But the source is God's love, and we're just imaging that in our marriage.
Phil Robertson
Which is why we're an image. All right, we got much more to talk about, but we won't do it on this podcast because we're out of time. So we'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast, and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.
Episode: Ep 1020 | Uncle Si Comes Clean About a ‘Duck Dynasty’ Special Episode & Jase Wears Missy’s Clothes
Release Date: January 9, 2025
The episode kicks off with Jase Robertson sharing a humorous yet frustrating experience related to unexpected weather changes during duck hunting season. Initially expecting mild weather, the group was caught off guard by a sudden drop from 75°F to 35°F within six hours (04:22).
Notable Quote:
Jase Robertson [02:56]: "Sometimes it doesn't matter, does it? I mean, these people, they feel like it's all about what you get sued for."
This abrupt temperature shift led to canceled hunting plans and a comedic situation where Jase accidentally wore his wife Missy's infinity scarf while preparing for the hunt, much to the amusement of his fellow hunters.
Notable Quote:
Jase Robertson [04:30]: "I came out of the closet wearing this, and my wife is looking at me."
The group reflects on the unpredictability of weather forecasts, expressing skepticism about their accuracy and reliability, which adds to the episode's light-hearted yet relatable atmosphere.
Transitioning from personal anecdotes, the Robertson family delves into a deeper discussion about the significance of words, both in everyday life and within their Christian faith. They emphasize the belief that "Words matter," drawing parallels to biblical teachings about the power of God's word.
Notable Quote:
Jase Robertson [20:11]: "Yeah, I agree. You cannot trust what they say."
This segment underscores the theme that trusting in God's word is paramount, contrasting it with the perceived unreliability of other sources, such as weather forecasts or media narratives.
A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to a theological exploration of the Book of Ephesians and the Gospel of John. Phil Robertson provides an overview of Ephesians, highlighting its focus on Jesus and the concept of divine love and predestination.
Notable Quote:
Phil Robertson [25:02]: "We're starting to study the book of Ephesians, which we did on the podcast. And so my job was to give an overview of what the whole book is about, which, of course, it's about Jesus."
Jase and Zach further discuss the intricacies of John's Gospel, particularly the concept of Jesus as the "Word" (Logos) and the relationship between the Father and the Son. They reference scholars like N.T. Wright and Richard Bachman to deepen their analysis, connecting Old Testament references to the New Testament revelations about Jesus' divine nature.
Notable Quote:
Jase Robertson [33:07]: "In John 17, it's getting deep. Well, it's going to get deeper. When he prays for all the believers."
The conversation highlights the transformative understanding of Jesus' identity, bridging Old Testament prophecies with New Testament teachings, and emphasizing the unity and oneness between the Father and the Son.
The Robertson family continues to unpack complex theological concepts, discussing the personification of wisdom in Proverbs and its connection to Jesus as depicted in John. They explore themes such as light, life, and love, asserting that these are the foundational elements of Jesus' relationship with God the Father.
Notable Quote:
Al Robertson [36:34]: "Now, exactly, because I said it yesterday, my sermon over 50 times in the book of Ephesians, in Christ, in him, you know, because of him, everything is Him."
The discussion also touches on the significance of unity among believers, as articulated in John 17, and how this unity reflects the divine relationship between Jesus and the Father. They stress the importance of understanding Jesus' dual nature as both fully human and fully divine, which is pivotal to comprehending his role as Savior.
Notable Quote:
Phil Robertson [35:32]: "So when you talk about Word, then the Word became flesh. You got to connect the dots here, people, and make this real to you."
As the episode wraps up, the Robertson family acknowledges the depth of their theological discussions and hints at continuing these conversations in future episodes. They encourage listeners to engage with the content deeply, reflecting on the profound connections between different books of the Bible and their relevance to everyday faith.
Notable Quote:
Phil Robertson [53:43]: "Which is why we're an image."
The family closes by reiterating their commitment to sharing the Gospel and fostering a deeper understanding of Christian faith, inviting listeners to join them in their journey of faith and learning.
Ep 1020 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" masterfully blends humor, personal experiences, and profound theological discussions, offering listeners both entertainment and spiritual enrichment. Whether you're a longtime follower of Jesus or new to the faith, this episode provides valuable insights into the Bible's interconnected themes and the transformative power of divine love.
For more inspiring stories and in-depth Bible studies, tune into the next episode of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family."