Ep 1024 | Willie Embraced His Diva Tendencies During ‘Duck Dynasty’ & Jase Has a ‘Joe Rogan Experience’

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Episode: Ep 1024 | Willie Embraced His Diva Tendencies During ‘Duck Dynasty’ & Jase Has a ‘Joe Rogan Experience’
Release Date: January 16, 2025

In Episode 1024 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family," hosted by Tread Lively, members of the Robertson family—Phil, Al, Jase, and Zach—along with special guests engage in heartfelt conversations that blend personal anecdotes with deep theological insights. The episode delves into family dynamics, personal growth, and the intersection of faith and everyday life, all infused with humor and candid storytelling.

1. Family Banter and Embellishment Tendencies

The episode opens with the family's characteristic playful banter, setting a light-hearted tone. Jase Robertson kicks off with his signature declaration, "I am unashamed. What about you?" ([00:01]). This prompts an immediate, friendly argument among the family members, showcasing their close-knit relationships.

A significant portion of the early discussion revolves around the family's tendency to embellish stories. Jase humorously reflects on future confrontations in the afterlife due to their numerous arguments, stating, “we have about ten arguments... we will not know until the afterlife” ([01:02]). Phil Robertson adds to this by reminiscing about his youth, admitting, "When I was younger... I was right a lot more" ([01:36]). The conversation highlights how storytelling and exaggeration are ingrained in their family culture, particularly among the siblings named Silas.

2. Zach’s Birthday Hat and Hunting Humor

The conversation shifts to a humorous exchange about Zach Dasher’s birthday hat. Jase teases Zach about wearing an orange hat, jokingly suggesting that it’s necessary to avoid being shot while duck hunting in Louisiana:

Jase Robertson ([03:21]): "I probably need an orange hat so that no one will shoot me."

Zach responds with good-natured remarks about the prevalence of orange hats in the area, emphasizing the lightheartedness of their banter. This segment underscores the family's love for hunting and their ability to find humor in everyday situations.

3. Phil’s Heartwarming Story on Baptism and Family Faith

One of the most poignant moments in the episode comes when Phil Robertson shares a heartfelt story about their cousin Lulu’s son, Casey, deciding to get baptized. Phil recounts:

Phil Robertson ([10:12]): "He said, 'I can't lead people in what I don't know...' So he said, 'I got to go all in myself.'"

This narrative not only highlights the importance of personal commitment to faith but also illustrates the supportive family environment that encourages such spiritual milestones. Phil emphasizes the significance of being "unashamed to call us brothers and sisters," referencing Hebrews 2:11, which underscores the community and familial bonds within their faith journey.

4. Childhood Memories and Discipline: The Scrabble Incident

Jase reminisces about his childhood experiences with Uncle Harold, sharing a memorable incident involving Scrabble:

Jase Robertson ([15:52]): "I made a word on the Scrabble board that was a triple word score... prematurely going over the word," leading to a punishment from Uncle Harold.

This story serves as both a humorous and reflective look at the strict yet loving discipline methods within the family. The episode touches upon how these childhood experiences shaped Jase's perceptions and his ability to navigate authority figures later in life.

5. Theological Insights: God’s Dwelling and the Temple

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to a theological discussion led by Jase and Zach. They explore the concept that God does not dwell in man-made buildings, referencing various scriptures:

Zach Dasher ([26:27]): "And surely this house won't contain you."

The conversation delves into interpretations of John 1:14 and Acts 17, analyzing how God's presence transcends physical temples and resides within believers. They argue that the true temple is the human body, infused with the Holy Spirit, thereby bridging Heaven and Earth. This segment provides listeners with a deeper understanding of their faith perspective, emphasizing personal spirituality over institutional worship spaces.

6. Zach’s Encounter with Apologetics on Joe Rogan’s Podcast

Zach Dasher shares his transformative experience with Christian apologetics, sparked by listening to a debate on Joe Rogan’s podcast:

Zach Dasher ([36:33]): "I ordered his book called Reasonable Faith... that was the awakening."

He recounts how witnessing the compelling arguments of a Christian apologist named Huff convinced him of the Bible’s reliability. This segment underscores the importance of intellectual engagement with faith and how external media can influence personal beliefs. Zach highlights the impact of Dr. William Lane Craig’s work on his spiritual journey, emphasizing the role of reasoned faith in strengthening belief systems.

7. Closing Remarks and Final Reflections

As the episode draws to a close, Jase reflects on the power of oral traditions in Christianity, citing 1 Corinthians 15 as a cornerstone of the gospel narrative. He underscores the reliability of early oral accounts in preserving the gospel, reinforcing the episode's central theme of being "unashamed" of their faith.

Jase Robertson ([52:00]): "This is an oral tradition that Paul received. It’s one of the evidences, the earliest accounts of the gospel."

Phil concurs, reinforcing the significance of their discussions and storytelling in maintaining their faith's integrity and transmission through generations.

Notable Quotes

• Jase Robertson ([00:01]): "I am unashamed. What about you?"
• Phil Robertson ([01:36]): "When I was younger... I was right a lot more."
• Phil Robertson ([10:12]): "He said, 'I can't lead people in what I don't know...' So he said, 'I got to go all in myself.'"
• Zach Dasher ([26:27]): "And surely this house won't contain you."
• Zach Dasher ([36:33]): "I ordered his book called Reasonable Faith... that was the awakening."
• Jase Robertson ([52:00]): "This is an oral tradition that Paul received. It’s one of the evidences, the earliest accounts of the gospel."

Conclusion

Episode 1024 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" offers a blend of humor, personal storytelling, and profound theological discussions. The Robertson family members share their unique perspectives on faith, family, and personal growth, encouraging listeners to embrace their beliefs unapologetically while navigating the complexities of everyday life. Through their candid conversations, they reinforce the importance of being steadfast in faith, the value of family bonds, and the significance of intellectual engagement with religious doctrines.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

So welcome to Unashamed. We've already started arguing. Zach, welcome into the Unashamed Duck cover.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Is this your first time in the Duck? Over.

[Zach Dasher]

It's my first time recording in the duck.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, you were here. We were in here when we did Shane and Shane that day.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, but it was a different setup.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, it was kind of, like, totally different.

[Zach Dasher]

It had a round table. This is like. No, I sat here at that table when the power went out. That's the first time I did an ad read. And that you and Phil.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, I wasn't here. And that's when Jace told me that Zach all of a sudden turned into a car session.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, that was the whereabout.

[Jase Robertson]

That was one of the funniest memories of my life. When we get to the afterlife, because I think there's going to be a replaying session. Just everybody gathered, thousands of people.

[Phil Robertson]

Do we have edit control on the plane back?

[Jase Robertson]

I'll leave that to the Lord God.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm getting better at it, though.

[Phil Robertson]

Pretty good editor, Matty, because I've got.

[Jase Robertson]

About 10 arguments going that basically have resulted in we will not know until the afterlife. And we have some kind of replay. Heavenly replay system. So I'm looking forward to it because my wife and I have about five of those, because we just can't. She remembers something differently than I do. And we're 100%. 100% adamant that the recollection that we each have is correct.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, here's the thing, Jason. When I was younger, I was the same way. Oh, I was still the same way. But when I was younger, I was right a lot more. As I've gotten older, I'm still locked in that I'm right. But I found out later, no, you're wrong.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, that's why these. You know, these politicians will say something and they'll go back and figure out that they. Whatever they said never really happened. But I'm not real hard on them because I'm like, if you. The story gets tweaked a little bit and a little bit and you keep.

[Phil Robertson]

Repeating it, especially in our family.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Robertson]

Embellishing.

[Zach Dasher]

Who knows what's true anymore?

[Jase Robertson]

We're serial embellishers.

[Phil Robertson]

We've been that way.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm like pilot at this point. I mean, what is truth? I mean, I don't. I can't. I don't. The line is so blurry with the. At least with the stories that we've told and retold, primarily coming from two People. I think there's two people in our family that struggle with embellishment more than the rest of us.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, they're both named Silas.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Two people in our family. I'm. I'm. I'm. I got nothing on that, by the way.

[Phil Robertson]

It's three. Because you just had to spend enough time around the third Silas. But he's the exact same way.

[Zach Dasher]

Really?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Especially when he was a kid.

[Jase Robertson]

Are y'all talking about me?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

What's going on here? Maddie?

[Phil Robertson]

Is your name Salad?

[Jase Robertson]

Wow. Well, then I wasn't sure how I was gonna feel, but you being this close to me and me trying to make fun of you just for fun.

[Phil Robertson]

And it's his birthday, and it's your.

[Jase Robertson]

Birthday, but I am really glad that whoever got you that hat for your birthday was looking out for you, because I just thought to myself, when I saw you today, I thought, you know, if I was from North Carolina and I was coming to Louisiana for quite a while, a few days.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I probably need an orange hat so that no one will shoot me.

[Zach Dasher]

You say that, but I'm looking at a picture right back there of somebody with an orange hat on. There's a. Yeah, they're deer hunting. I'm not the only orange hat in here.

[Phil Robertson]

Are you hunting in the city limits here?

[Jase Robertson]

You thought I was making fun of you. I'm not. That was a very good thing. If I were you and I showed up in Louisiana during all hunting seasons are open right now.

[Phil Robertson]

All open.

[Zach Dasher]

Could never be too safe. Chase.

[Jase Robertson]

I would think I need to wear an orange hat, but I just figured someone gave that to you for your birthday, so well done.

[Zach Dasher]

It was a present. Well, not for my birthday, but somebody did give it to me.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, I gave him two hats this morning for his birthday. That actually came to me through our buddy that makes hats. But. And he left them.

[Zach Dasher]

I knew that was a re. Gifting. That was one of the things. I don't got room for this. Happy. And he literally just handed them to me.

[Phil Robertson]

I said, here you go. Happy birthday. They're still there.

[Jase Robertson]

Now, I do want to say, if you go duck hunting while you're here, don't wear that hat, because although no one would probably shoot you, the ducks see that?

[Zach Dasher]

Okay, so noted. I'll make sure I don't put this on. I do want to go, by the.

[Jase Robertson]

Way, so you can wear orange hats while deer hunting, because deer are colorblind, which I think was a bit of humor from the Almighty, because they can see really good. But Their smell is fantastic, but they don't see colors.

[Zach Dasher]

I tell you what, I drove in last night from North Carolina because me and I have talked about this. If it's under 8, mine's 10 hours. If it's under 10 hours, I'm 8 now.

[Phil Robertson]

But mine used to be 5. If it had to be 5 or I'd fly. But now air travel is so bad.

[Jase Robertson]

We are just missing out.

[Phil Robertson]

So now it's eight hours.

[Jase Robertson]

Some of the greatest memories I've ever had were 24 hour road trips.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. I love the drive.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, some of the worst memories I have are 24 hour road trips too.

[Zach Dasher]

As long as I'm in control of my own destiny. When the, when you're at the mercy of the airlines, I mean you're. I'd rather be. If I'm gonna be stuck, I mean, at least I'm in control. I'm driving my truck.

[Jase Robertson]

We've had a breakthrough here.

[Zach Dasher]

That's it. But anyways, I saw a herd of deer from all the way from, I would say all the way from you get over the Mississippi river and it's about what, 67 miles.

[Phil Robertson]

Is it 67 miles from the Mississippi river here?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, and I mean delta, I mean I've never seen. I mean it was late at night but I mean, you want to talk.

[Phil Robertson]

About the deer when they all run around?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

[Phil Robertson]

So Zach rolled in. I was trying to wait up for you. Zach, your son in law beat you here. And Dawson, who's a really good guy, you. The Lord blessed you with f. With that one very good AA's husband. And they just celebrated their one year anniversary. So we were talking about marriage and life and things such as that. And so I was going to wait up for Zach. He was supposed to be in about 10:30, so I gave him till 10:40. You know, the Robertson way. I gave him 10 minutes. I looked over at Dawson. So you know when your Paul in law is getting there. He said what? He said about 10:30 or so. And I said, well, I'm going to bed, I'm sleepy. And so I don't know. When did you get in?

[Zach Dasher]

I got in about 11:45.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I may be a notorious embellisher, but Zach is notorious for being late.

[Phil Robertson]

Maybe he learned that. He learned that from our brother Willie, who is also.

[Jase Robertson]

He's also that way.

[Phil Robertson]

So it's kind of their way.

[Jase Robertson]

Willie's early if he's two minutes late. He told me that one time. Yeah, he said, I read it online. You're. If you're two minutes late, that's the perfect time to be there.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, back when we were doing the Little Duck Show, Willie was he. He showed up pretty close on time at first to call times, and then he figured out pretty quick all they did was make him wait. So he thought, now you're not getting me on that one. I just want you around, you know.

[Jase Robertson]

I was saying, well, I used to always be punctual because, I mean, Phil was real adamant about.

[Phil Robertson]

And he still did it on the show. He inside would come and sit around.

[Jase Robertson]

But the TV show made. You just could not be on time.

[Phil Robertson]

Now because you'd have to wait an hour, you know, before you actually did something sometimes.

[Zach Dasher]

So, yeah, it's a lot of waiting.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a little bit.

[Zach Dasher]

I've never understood the, the Waiting Game. When we did the movie, I was, I remember just like we were over overtime every day, which cost you time and a half and it blows the budget. But I was like, is there we need to hire a guy. I didn't know all the language. We need to hire a guy whose job is to just clap and be, hey, come on, let's move it. And snap their fingers and move it along. And then I know there's a guy who does that. He's called the ad. I said, well, he needs to get.

[Phil Robertson]

On that Anno Domini assistant director. Okay.

[Jase Robertson]

You have too many chiefs.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

In a tp.

[Phil Robertson]

So. So last night, our cousin Lulu, who is just one of the best people in the world, she's so awesome and she listens to the podcast. I know she's going to hear this. She called me and said, my son Casey, who's. Who's in college, playing college football up in Arkansas, she said, he's decided he wants to get baptized. And I said, well, great, because we had talked a little bit back at Thanksgiving, some of my other cousins got baptized. And so I think he's been thinking about it. And so this morning before we. I came here, I met him down at the church building. It was really interesting conversation because, you know, I always pray on how to explain this to someone young because I think people kind of know I need to do it, but sometimes understand the why of it, you know, and so you don't go into a full blown thing, but you kind of want them to understand what this moment is about. And I kept having this thought about family, you know, because obviously he's our cousin and just a good young man, a believer, loves the Lord and he's just Ready to make that all in commitment. And so. And today did that. But he said something really intriguing to me because I was telling the story about how we were doing this. And, you know, places don't matter. The water doesn't matter. None of that stuff matters. But sometimes it matters because it has an attachment to it. So today it happened to be a place where I've spent most of my life at wfr, at the building. And I was telling the story about. Because he was real close to Harold, his grandpa, my. Our uncle. And I always had an interesting relationship with Harold because I was the oldest. I don't know Jason, if you remember this, but we were living in Farmville. Well, he would have us come over and I was probably about 10 at the 9 or 10, and he would just work me the whole time. He had two daughters, and so there were certain things they couldn't do very well, I guess, hauling firewood.

[Zach Dasher]

Did he pay you?

[Phil Robertson]

No. And that was the thing I was like, I wanted to tell him, you know, Harold, they freed the slaves in the Hebrew days, back in Exodus, you know, and yet that's what he kind of had me is. But it was because I was a little boy. And so I always kind of thought, man, this guy. But at the same time, I knew he like, he. He really liked me. And that was kind of his way of showing it. And so all these years, it was that kind of relationship. He helped Jason. I. We fell in love with lsu, probably because of him and Judy, my aunt. But he stopped by one day after Jason. I were interns at the church, and he came up the back stairs and back then we were all sharing office. I don't know if he talked to you or not, but he talked to me. And he had tears in his eyes. And he said, I just want you, you and Jace to know something. You know, I am so proud of y'all because I've always wanted to do ministry and I wanted to go to school and I wanted to preach and, you know, life just didn't take me that direction. But I've always had that desire and now to see my nephews, you know, getting trained and, you know, he didn't know what was going to happen with us. He had tears in his eyes, and I'd never seen him teared up before my whole life. And so I was telling Casey that story this morning because I'd never told him that. And I was in here 30 years later, we're 30ft away from where that same conversation happened. And so now here you are making a life decision. And he said, what you want young people to say? He said, well, you know, al, I've got 120 people connected to our football team, and I realized that a lot of them really need to know about Jesus, you know, he said, after being with them now for four years, he said, and I'm kind of a leader on the team. He said, but, you know, I can't lead people in what I don't know, you know, He. So he said, I got to go all in myself.

[Zach Dasher]

You can't take people where you haven't been.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. And that's what he said. And I thought, man, that's. That's what you want to hear, you know, he's gonna. He's excited. He's going back, and he's gonna, you know, get ready to share Jesus. It was awesome. It was a great way to start the day for me and his family. That's why I told him. I was like, it's forever, fam. We talk on podcasts about being unashamed of the gospel, but it's that. Hebrews 2:11, you know this. The one that makes us holy is unashamed to call us brothers and sisters. There's both ways. Yeah, it's a beauty.

[Jase Robertson]

So now, I didn't want to interrupt that beautiful story, but I have vivid memories of being a kid and working, and I thought you were free of.

[Phil Robertson]

That, but I wasn't sure.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it wasn't that. I guess I didn't really mind it. I thought, you know, because in our family, it didn't have to be your parents.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

And one of the worst whoopings I ever got was from Uncle Harold.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, really? I didn't know that.

[Jase Robertson]

Brutal.

[Zach Dasher]

He was scary.

[Jase Robertson]

If I. Well, let me tell you this was.

[Zach Dasher]

He scared me.

[Phil Robertson]

I don't remember any.

[Jase Robertson]

I'll just leave it there. I mean, I think if, like, there's a statute of limitations, I would have called 91 1. He probably would have gone to jail for a short period of time. It was brutal and crossed over.

[Zach Dasher]

Now, what did you do to receive the.

[Jase Robertson]

You're so nosy. You want me to share my. My skeletons? Here's what I did. I'll have to do this so we don't offend the listeners. So there we are. Me and his two daughters. And someone else was part of the game. Willie seemed like he'd have been a little young, but maybe it was. Maybe he was part of the game.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm not sure who the fourth, you know.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, the fourth person was Well, I think we were a little older than.

[Phil Robertson]

So this may have been later.

[Jase Robertson]

It was at his house.

[Phil Robertson]

Okay. But we used to do like some Thanksgiving and Christmas up there. So we talk a lot about cell phones, you know, I guess just in life we certainly do. On the podcast, Jase, you were mentioning that you have to get multiple calls just to find yours.

[Jase Robertson]

Right?

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, that's what happens when you get older.

[Jase Robertson]

I have to get other people to call me so I can find my phone.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

I want to thank it was Willie because this was the beginnings of his Scrabble prowess. We were playing Scrabble, so we'd had to have been older than that.

[Phil Robertson]

I would have been like early teens. Yeah, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, it didn't seem like we were that old, but somewhere in there, somewhere between, you know, 6 and 13. Well, I made a word on the Scrabble board that was a triple word, you know, score. They said that's inappropriate. They didn't say inappropriate, but that's a. That's a bad word. I did not think it was a bad word. And I said, look it up. And then I gave a Phil Robertson description of the word that I had used. It was a slang word for part of the anatomy. So they went and got their dad, Uncle Harold, and he just saw that word on the Scrabble board, and the next thing I know, it was just. I was twirling around his one arm, and every time I would stop, leather was being applied. And I just thought, that's a word. That is a word.

[Phil Robertson]

Was it.

[Zach Dasher]

Was it the syllabic beating that we talked about on the previous podcast?

[Phil Robertson]

Was he giving you the commentary while he was running you in the.

[Jase Robertson]

Send me the commentary. You. We don't talk like this. We don't.

[Zach Dasher]

You don't scrabble like this.

[Jase Robertson]

I was playing the game. I was using the word. I was using the letters that were given to me. And I will say with. With true confession, I did not think that that was. It wasn't deserving a belt weapon, and I didn't even think it was wrong. I was like, this is.

[Zach Dasher]

I don't think it deserved a belt weapon.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, this is the game.

[Zach Dasher]

He was. He was the. The most intimidating of the. Of the seven.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

No, he was.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and his siblings, because dad and Sa both said it many times through the years, will say he was the meanest of the crew.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that was pretty brutal.

[Phil Robertson]

He was the second oldest brother. So.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, you know what was weird is for years, I'd play Scrabble and I'd always think, well, can't use that word.

[Phil Robertson]

So it did have an impact on it.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, it was pretty traumatized. I'm sure if I wound up in a counselor's office one day, we'll visit Dr. Amen about. I mean, I got whipped.

[Zach Dasher]

Your brain under a brain scan. It looks different because of that moment right there.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it was pretty traumatic. But, you know, back then.

[Zach Dasher]

Back then, you know, part of it, the whole family.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, I got whipped by my grandparents, by most of my uncles, which is pretty crazy.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, you'd never see that much anymore.

[Jase Robertson]

No.

[Phil Robertson]

But at the same time, boy, you had a lot of accountability.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, my gosh. Roaming around too much accountability.

[Phil Robertson]

Paul would tell us. He'd say, no, boy, don't make me come over there and thump that gourd.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And he'd thump you in the back of the head.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I guess we turned out all right. I don't. I'm not endorsing that, but it was pretty brutal. You know, it was a rough memory.

[Phil Robertson]

And I never heard that story before.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

That's the beautiful thing about a podcast is you start telling stories. I was like, I've never heard that one before.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I think that's the first I've heard of it as well.

[Jase Robertson]

He was prophetic because the last thing he said to me is like, you'll never forget this. And I haven't.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I mean he. Again, he, he was very intimidating.

[Jase Robertson]

You're feeling sorry for me now?

[Zach Dasher]

I do feel sorry, yeah. I was scared of him for sure. I was scared of him at granny's funeral. He showed up and I mean showed up and his mom's funeral. But he was, he was so mad that, that he said that one of y'all showed up with that big beard. He was, it was dad.

[Phil Robertson]

And sad.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's actually what I was going to say is how he did come down to my office and say the same thing, but since we had had a different journey.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

On our relationship.

[Phil Robertson]

You wanted to bring up that story.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I just was very blunt and I said, I appreciate it, but I'm not going to be here long. And he, he went from teary eyed to say, what's, what's the problem?

[Phil Robertson]

I need to break out my belt.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I actually said, I said, you see this office here? I said, you know what the problem with it is? I said, there's two things. And he was looking around. I said, there's no people in here but you. I was like, I believe God has called me to be with people. I, I can't do offices. I said, and the second thing is there's no window. And that was why I resigned. My. I was an intern for a couple.

[Phil Robertson]

There was some kind of period J's back there and I'm not sure why they did it, but we had to wear ties for a while. Do you remember that?

[Jase Robertson]

That was probably the third thing that was.

[Zach Dasher]

You had to wear a tie.

[Phil Robertson]

We had to wear a tie, like to, to when we came up to the building and they finally suspended it, thank goodness. But for a while, for a period when we were interning, we had to wear ties. Like just.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I did it. Yeah, I did it. But when I. It's funny because they wanted me to write down because I said I was resigning. And they were like, they handed me a form and I was like, it's.

[Zach Dasher]

Called an exit interview.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm not going to fill out this form. And I was like, because one of the reasons that I'm resigning is that you have a form for me to say. And I gave them the same speech. I said, and I just had a Bible study where a guy said, the only reason you're doing this is because it's your job. And, you know, I was immature, but I just. In that moment, I do think through the immaturity, God just led me down a different path. I said, I'm just going to be a regular guy. I'm going to build duck calls. You know, I fished the river. I kind of went to what my dad had done, and I'm just going to preach Jesus for free. I mean, that was the statement I made. I was like. Because what was happening is. And al, you remember this. I was studying with so many people back then because I had made a list from high school, kind of like our young new brother here in our family. And I was going down the list. Well, that list didn't have a clock. I mean, I was. Most of the studies I was doing was at night. Well, then I had to come to the office and sit there all day. And I'll tell you what I did most of the time there. Slept. I slept. There's no window. There's nobody in there. I mean, I sat down.

[Zach Dasher]

What about.

[Jase Robertson]

What am I going to fill out some paperwork?

[Phil Robertson]

I would walk in because we'd have a meeting or something to go to. And I knew I'd go because I was always looking after Jay. And so I'd go down there and I'd go in there, and he'd look up and just big, you know, like on his face where he'd been laying down on his hand with just these streaks. And I was like, go wash your face. We got a meeting at 50.

[Jase Robertson]

I finally set up my chair. I have one of these chairs that would fall back, and I. I would make it into a bed, but I had to do it where when someone knocked on my door, in three seconds, I would pop up.

[Zach Dasher]

Hey, that's the worst.

[Phil Robertson]

Because, you know, you were doing your ministry at O'Banion's Pool hall, and.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And I was.

[Jase Robertson]

They were wanting me to fill out forms on all. And I was like, you don't want to know where I was last night because I wouldn't be here anymore. It's going to make you uncomfortable, but it just didn't work for me.

[Phil Robertson]

But, you know, jc, you know, you helped change our culture of leadership there. I mean, and I guess I did, too, over the course of time that we began to start focusing on what was most important. Because those guys that trained us, they came from a background. You were a tie every day.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

That was just part of it.

[Zach Dasher]

Yes, that's what it was.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. I mean, you had dress your best, you look bad Sunday. Don't even think about showing up without, you know, full size suit, tie, the whole bit. And so you had to the mindset to change. That's not where most people are. It's over course of time that change.

[Jase Robertson]

So now look, having said this, I do think I was right in principle, but I don't want to make it seem like I was young and very outspoken. And so some of the things I did in meetings I regret. Although I think my principal and my heart was right because I remember I gave this big speech one time in a meeting about. It's not about this building. Because I was still bitter that they're making me punch a clock when I just technically I was doing the Lord's work all night. I'm tired, I'm sleepy, you know, I don't want to come to the building. So one of the elders was like, well, I mean, what is your. He was kind of asking like, where are you at on the use of a building? Because you seem to be attacking everything about the building. And I said, burn it.

[Zach Dasher]

Were you a shock jock? I don't know where you got that.

[Jase Robertson]

From, but I mean that just didn't go over well. That was then a meeting after the meeting of. That is just crazy talk, you know. What are you talking about?

[Zach Dasher]

So you were going to get fired if you didn't.

[Jase Robertson]

I was never going to make it in that.

[Zach Dasher]

You were?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

That was your time there was limited.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Lack the diplomacy necessary.

[Jase Robertson]

No diplomacy.

[Zach Dasher]

You were great at that.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, I was good at it.

[Zach Dasher]

That's why you're.

[Phil Robertson]

It actually helped me. Jace. Helped me to be even more when I needed to be.

[Jase Robertson]

But you know, after.

[Phil Robertson]

But I was the same place Jason was. In fact, when I became later became the main pastor. I guess I hate to even call it that, but whenever I preached and was leading the whole church, I told all our employees, I was like, if this building catches on fire and you call the fire department, you're fired. So along with the firing of the building, if they come and put it out, you're fired. Because this thing is a. I mean. You talking about a money pit?

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

A building like ours is 60 years old. We put so much money into it that, I mean, the only really way to solve it is burn it down. But I mean, I know you can't do that. That's a crime.

[Zach Dasher]

No one burned the building down.

[Phil Robertson]

Don't burn the building down.

[Zach Dasher]

Disclaimer. Don't.

[Phil Robertson]

Just. I'm just kidding. But I told Our employees don't do. Just. If it happens naturally, just.

[Zach Dasher]

But I mean, honestly, you think about the emphasis of the last two years of this podcast has been really from the scripture, that God's not in the building. I mean, he is in the building because we're in the building, but he doesn't live in the temples built by man's hand.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, the hard part, Zach, is for people to embrace that. Let's take another break. The hard part, for people to embrace the idea about the building there. Well, wait a minute. God spent a whole chapter telling Solomon how to build the temple, but his point always was to show by the building of it and by telling Solomon exactly how to build it. The whole idea was to show one day that it's not necessary.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you know, it's funny about that. In First Kings 8, when he dedicates the temple that God had given the instructions on to build at the end of it, he asked this question at the end of all that, Solomon says, surely. And I'm paraphrasing here because I don't have it in front of me, but something to the effect of, surely God does not live in a house made by me. That's right. And it wasn't like he's pointing out the obvious. Even in the dedication of the temple after Solomon built it, he recognized the ridiculous nature. The God who made everything is going to dwell in a house made by man. I don't think so. And surely this house won't contain you. That nugget right there was the same message that Jesus gave before his crucifixion. He said, if you destroy this temple, I will rebuild it in three days, talking about his body. And it's the same. And they got him killed, by the way. It's the same message that Stephen gave whenever he. Right before he was martyred. When Stephen said God does not live in temples built by man's hands, and he was killed for it.

[Jase Robertson]

Acts, chapter 7, Acts 7, John 2 is the first one, which we're about.

[Zach Dasher]

To be in a few weeks. But I think that it's.

[Jase Robertson]

And then Paul.

[Zach Dasher]

Paul said it in Acts 17, Acts 17.

[Jase Robertson]

We're seeing a common thread. That's why that's where I was getting my take on the building. But I would even go back to John 1:14, which I think if you're going to put greatest profound statements of the Bible. The word became flesh, the logic of God, the wisdom of God. The word became human and made his dwelling, which in the Greek, that doesn't seem like that Big a thing. But when you look at the Greek word that was used and tabernacled among us, the building became a man housing God in human form, or pitched a tent is what these scholars will use that phrase to define it because it goes back to the system of Judaism where they had the temple, they had the tabernacle, and it was the thought and true that this is where God and humans meet. That's why this says this in John 1:14. And they did meet there. But that's also why in the last verse of chapter one, when he told Nathanael, he said, you'll see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. Well, that goes back to, you remember Jacob's ladder, where they called that place Bethel? I'm doing this off the top of my head, but I believe that means house of God. So here and in the tabernacle or temple, these angels would be on each side, which is why I think there were two angels on each side at the tomb. All of these things are pointing to you.

[Phil Robertson]

Remember, Jace, the picture that's described in what you're talking about was a ladder coming down out of heaven. And the angels were descending and ascending along this ladder. The idea was, I'm coming to be with you. I mean, he was giving him that vision way back.

[Zach Dasher]

It's so funny, I was thinking about this as we were singing some songs at church on Sunday. And I thought, man, how many songs have I sung over the years that actually cultivate an imagination for the complete opposite of what we're talking about? I was thinking that one song that it talks about, like heaven, this world is not my home I'm just a passing through My treasures are laid up somewhere Way out there beyond the blue We've sang these songs all these years and we've been catechized in this idea that somehow that God's going to only come in that building and one day we get to go be with him. We're missing the point of what Jason mentioned, of heaven and earth coming together. That is the point of the temple. I mean, it is the point that God's presence, God comes to be. It's where man and God meet in the temple. And so it's pretty profound when you think about God coming from and where he's coming to and he puts himself in a human body. I mean, you can't overestimate or over emphasize the importance of that, because God's ultimately going to make his home in human bodies, which is the ultimate connection of bringing Heaven and earth together, it's in us. So our treasures aren't laid up somewhere beyond the blue. Our treasures are actually laid up in him. He's in us.

[Phil Robertson]

It's just like that. Remember the song Mansion over the Hilltop? Say so there was a mansion over the hilltop. But we are the mansion. Yeah, the mansion is right here. I mean, it's housing the holy. You know what makes a mansion? The Holy Spirit living inside.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think it comes from John 14, which we'll get to where when he said, in my father's house are many rooms. But the older I get, the more I look at that. I don't think he was talking about what people think it was talking about, because he was talking about him ascending to the right hand of God and pouring out his Holy Spirit.

[Phil Robertson]

And we know from 1st Peter 2 the house is being built right here.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, it's being built up. The Holy spirit.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Ephesians 2. We rise and become the temple of God by his Holy Spirit.

[Zach Dasher]

But all of that. All of that eschatology is. Is right here in John 1. We've already gone there. It's in John 1.

[Phil Robertson]

We've embraced a while ago.

[Zach Dasher]

We've embraced that one. Yeah, that's. That's a. That's a term that's in thoroughly vetted in this podcast. The audience has testified to it.

[Phil Robertson]

This shouldn't be surprised.

[Jase Robertson]

You're using words that I'm having to look up, and it's distracting because a while ago you said catechizing.

[Phil Robertson]

I wondered if you were gonna say, well, that's.

[Zach Dasher]

That's that repetitive like learning and. And being like shaped by the teachings of the.

[Jase Robertson]

Not categorize, but categories.

[Phil Robertson]

Catechize, in fact, like a catechism, because.

[Jase Robertson]

I tried to spell it, and according to catechism Internet, I could not find that. So I must have a spelling issue.

[Phil Robertson]

Which kind of why it's got a surprise why in there.

[Jase Robertson]

I think it goes back to my Scrabble issues.

[Zach Dasher]

You could use it in Scrabble if there was a word used in Scrabble. I will say this about the Robertsons. Y'all were great Scrabble players, but.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, we hijacked the system because I memorized every two and three letter word, especially using the letter Q and X.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, y'all would know the words, but you wouldn't know what they meant. That was the problem. So dad, then. Dad was an English. He got his A degree in English, and so then he learned. Expanded his vocabulary. Do you guys remember the famous Ergo. He used the word ergo.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And somebody challenged him. I think it was Willie. So that's not a word in the course.

[Phil Robertson]

So catech. Catechizes. C, A, T, E, C, H, I, Z, E. I said Y, but it's a Z.

[Jase Robertson]

Okay. It's a good word.

[Phil Robertson]

It instructs in the principles of Christian religion by means of question and answer, typically by using a catechism, which is the word.

[Jase Robertson]

We should do this every time. Because I don't use these words.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I got it. I knew where he was going.

[Jase Robertson]

Because if I'm dealing with the real people and I'm having conversations about Jesus, mainly in the duck blind, because right now it's duck season.

[Zach Dasher]

But you put it in a context, they kind of understand what you're saying.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, but I'm just saying, if I'm in a duck line and we're talking about somebody's life and you're not going.

[Zach Dasher]

To use the word catechized because he'd.

[Jase Robertson]

Say, would you call me? I'm not sure I can do that.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you gotta. You gotta first define who.

[Phil Robertson]

But now we know all this time.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

This thing about the words and everything. Jace has finally revealed on the podcast today what's happened. That memory all the way back to Big H giving him the belt whipping over the Word. That's what happened. So now he's got this whole thing about if it's a little bit off, he reacts so strongly.

[Zach Dasher]

You have ptsd. That's what this is?

[Jase Robertson]

No, I think what it is is when the Word became flesh, I thought, oh, good, I don't have to learn all the words. The Word is a person. That's good.

[Phil Robertson]

I like that.

[Jase Robertson]

The Word is a person. So therefore, if I come up and talk to another person about God, I can introduce a person, and I don't have to use words based on human wisdom. What's the Paul quote?

[Zach Dasher]

It was the hypostatic union that brought you to understand.

[Jase Robertson]

But when you push back so much. I read the Book of Acts and I wanted to make sure there were no apologetic arguments during that whole discourse of the birth of the church.

[Zach Dasher]

And you realize. And you realize that there were apologetics.

[Jase Robertson]

No, it was pretty much a declaration that Jesus is the son of God. He died and was buried and raised.

[Zach Dasher]

17 is quite the apologetic.

[Jase Robertson]

There was a few moments where they had a discourse, but the words translated were pretty simple.

[Zach Dasher]

So you'll want to refer back two days to the Not Yet now podcast. I interviewed Dr. William Lane Craig. I actually asked him this Question. Who I would argue is one of the world's greatest Christian apologists. I asked him the question on the podcast.

[Phil Robertson]

What.

[Zach Dasher]

How do you respond? And then I levied out the charge that has been brought. And he had a brilliant response. I'm not gonna tell you what is gonna go listen to it. But anyways, so.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, let me. Let me jump in here.

[Phil Robertson]

Shameless plug.

[Jase Robertson]

For the shameless plug, we have a new set for a limited time. Then we're gonna have a newer set, right?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, we got a newer set.

[Phil Robertson]

We're in a transition mode, boys.

[Zach Dasher]

Can I just say this? I do need to repent that I was wrong. It is way more than six feet. This is like. This is almost to a point where it's awkward. I told you I didn't earphones. I.

[Jase Robertson]

Not for me. Because I spent probably 10 years here building duck calls.

[Zach Dasher]

This is like home for you.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you got to think who I like a much.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, this has got to be every bit of 12ft.

[Jase Robertson]

You got to think about who I was sitting with.

[Zach Dasher]

You wanted distance is what you're saying.

[Jase Robertson]

Distance was preferred.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay, we're talking.

[Phil Robertson]

If you ever watch the duck covering podcast, they're yelling so much, especially sigh that the spittle. I'm thinking they had to do this just to get you out of range of the. All the yelling and.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well, I sat here and built duck calls with Si Martin Godwin J. Stone, mountain man was here for about two years.

[Zach Dasher]

You had a group of characters.

[Jase Robertson]

So I actually in a weird duck commander meeting one time said because they were all talking about how we can improve things. I said, you know what? I would really improve the duck call room. And they were like, well, I mean, it was like, Jason has an idea. I said, I think whoever's cleaning this place should clean that room every day after we leave. I was not kidding.

[Zach Dasher]

It's not a bad.

[Jase Robertson]

Nobody said a word because that was the height of all. You know, it was mountain man. I mean, mountain man inside. Bathing is optional.

[Phil Robertson]

Musty. It was musty in there.

[Jase Robertson]

And I don't know. It was a lot of men.

[Phil Robertson]

We're working on a new studio for us.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, that'll happen. We're in the process of moving now. We may upgrade some furniture. I know you all have complained about chairs.

[Jase Robertson]

I have a new prop that I want to introduce.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, you got it with you?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, come on, somebody.

[Jase Robertson]

I actually took it from this room.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, wow. So now it's gonna miss in trouble.

[Jase Robertson]

When we have a drum roll opportunity. I have a Set of drums.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, the Cajon, or what do they call?

[Jase Robertson]

And I actually are. I'm. Wait. I was waiting for you to say something that I wanted to, so.

[Phil Robertson]

Which I think sometimes when Zach gets into one of his long. Like, he's really on a run, and, you know, he. Because he gets on one of those every once in a while, you should lightly play the bongos behind what he's.

[Zach Dasher]

Saying, because that's not a typical drum roll there. That was like a. Like an island drumroll.

[Phil Robertson]

That's what I'm saying. It's like a behind that. You know, you could do that. And I think he'd probably get going and just never stop. If you. If you start.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, now I'll reveal why I did the drum roll. Because we were. We always have this relationship of. I try to keep it simple. Zach tries to keep it complex. Oh, no, that sounded wrong. That uses big words. But I have a drum roll moment. I actually listened to my first podcast over the weekend.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, wow.

[Jase Robertson]

I had never listened.

[Phil Robertson]

Big news.

[Jase Robertson]

To another podcast.

[Zach Dasher]

You mean like our podcast?

[Jase Robertson]

Not. Not our podcast. But I listened because I got three different messages. I had a really weird weekend. I got three different messages on two totally different issues. And I'll share both, I guess, if we have time. But this one was. You need to check this out. And it was. The problem is everybody sent it to me in a form of social media.

[Zach Dasher]

So you got this from multiple people?

[Jase Robertson]

Three different people sent me a clip. One of them was like Facebook. One of them was like Instagram. Well, the problem is I can't go to any of those places because I don't know my password. I don't frequent them. And so now I have people in my family real close to me that, you know, represent me kind of like.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, they know how to get there.

[Zach Dasher]

They do the heavy lift. They do the actual.

[Jase Robertson]

So I thought, well, I guess I just need to go find the source. I mean, you can make some spiritual analogies here. So it was actually a Joe Rogan podcast, because that's what you listen to. That's the first one I've ever. Anybody's podcast. First one I ever.

[Phil Robertson]

With about 10 million.

[Jase Robertson]

Because. Because there was a guest on there who was. He's from Zach's camp. Now, half of.

[Zach Dasher]

He's a Christian apologist.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he's a Christian apologist, but he's more into the reliability of the Bible, 66 books. And this guy is like. One of his hobbies is taking original manuscripts that were written on Papra And. Or Papris. Papris and copper. And he can, like, replicate them. He can write. This guy knows all the languages for fun. Three fourths of the words that came out of his mouth I had never heard because it was over my head.

[Phil Robertson]

Did Rogan seem to be.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. I watched the whole thing. It was three hours and 15 minutes.

[Phil Robertson]

Every time you complain about our podcast link, Chase, just think about Joe Rogan if you were doing that five days a week.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So I watched that because, you know, and how they met, I thought was interesting because this guy, his name was Huff was his last name.

[Phil Robertson]

And you know him, Zach.

[Zach Dasher]

I don't know him personally, but I've started. I saw. I saw the same interview and started following his work on Instagram.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And so what I thought was funny is this Huff guy has a debate with a guy who, like, picks and chooses what he believes in the Bible, because everything in the Old Testament, anything that he deemed negative, he's like, well, this is not legitimate. Well, they had a debate. I'll watch that. Well, this Huff guy, he didn't just win. This was like, imagine Muhammad Ali, you know, fighting Zach. I mean, it was a complete.

[Zach Dasher]

Intellectually or physically?

[Jase Robertson]

Physically.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay.

[Jase Robertson]

It was a complete. Just like. So, yeah, well, this Rogan had had this other guy on his podcast and, like, entertain something. How do we know the Bible's reliable? And. And, you know, I've always looked at it like, I've never gone down that road, because when I read the Book of John, I just thought, this is based on faith. But it was so thrilling and made so much sense, even about Jesus. I just said, nobody could have made this up. So I didn't feel like I ever had to go down that road. This guy went down the road. And after I listened to this, I mean, it was such a powerful argument on how we got the Bible, and it would take somebody doing this for years and have this kind of mind. Well, it was just fun to see Joe Rogan. He just didn't. He just didn't have an answer. I mean, he was like, fascinating. This is fantastic.

[Phil Robertson]

Is Rogan an atheist?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, he kind of.

[Zach Dasher]

I think he's like.

[Jase Robertson]

That came up in the interview, and he was.

[Phil Robertson]

I don't know. I just.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I don't. I don't either.

[Zach Dasher]

But he also had a line about Jordan Peterson, who is.

[Phil Robertson]

He's been on there, too. Right.

[Jase Robertson]

And look, I'm not promoting the podcast because what I was shocked at a couple times this Huff would have such a compelling argument that Rogan's response would be, man, that's some crazy. And he would have a Scrabble board moment. And I thought. I think he meant that as a compliment.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, I think he did.

[Jase Robertson]

He uses four letter words. I mean, like the F word.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, every time I see him quoted on tv, there'd be.

[Zach Dasher]

But to your point and to your ministry that you talked about earlier, there's a correlation here, because I think so. We've backed up and said we're going to do ministry in the church and we've lost the culture. And I love that Huff is going into other places. I love, like, you went to the bar. Like, we need to be taking the gospel into the world. We don't have anything to fear. My introduction to apologetics, which is what that guy's doing, by the way, was I was struggling. I talked about this on the podcast. Not yet now, which again, shameless plug, but you need to go hear it. Because Dr. Craig was the first person that I had ever come in contact with. And I would argue this guy Craig is like a savant when it comes to just biblical knowledge, defending the truths of the scripture, the historicity of the resurrection, you name it. I mean, he's got about six or seven arguments that he has just owned. And I was really at a crisis of faith. I tell my story on the podcast, but there was a moment when I was at the end of my rope because I did not believe. I hoped that it was true, but I had a lot of doubts. And I get into this, make the story short to a Google vortex. I wound up looking at watching a debate between Dr. Craig and I don't even remember the atheist who it was now, and I didn't know what he was talking about. I could probably understand about 10% of what this guy was saying, but I knew he was winning the debate. And so I ordered his book called Reasonable Faith, which is the name of his ministry. I should not have ordered that book. It was way too deep for me. It took me three and a half months to read it because I just didn't understand everything but that. For me, that was the awakening.

[Phil Robertson]

How old were you?

[Zach Dasher]

I was 26. I'm 47 now, so it was 21 years ago. And I never even read books, really. I mean, honestly, I'm ashamed to say this. I think the last book I had read before I read that book was a book called James and the Giant Peach that I read when I was in elementary school. I just didn't read I mean, I read the Bible, but then that's what started me, and I was so intellectually shocked.

[Phil Robertson]

That was your choice.

[Zach Dasher]

That was it. I went from James and the Giant Peach to reasonable Faith.

[Phil Robertson]

Before that, it was C Spot Run.

[Zach Dasher]

It was a Beverly Cleary Books and Hardy Boys. Yeah. But I mean, I love that branch of Christian theology, the apologetics, and there's a lot of different branches even inside of that. That, for me, have been super, super transformational. But to your point, you know what the most transformational thing, after I've gone through and studied as much as I've studied as I come back and I read the Gospel of John and I'm like, you can't make this up.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well, I've always.

[Phil Robertson]

So what was your takeaway, Jace, from the whole.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I obviously thought it was a positive just because Rogan's got a huge audience.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And. Well, I thought it was a positive just because then a few days later, I didn't watch this episode. I'm still at one podcast, but I just noticed a lot of people commented then he had Mel Gibson on, and he kind of asked the same questions, you know, And I was like, I think this guy is reconsidering because he. He was kind of in bed with the other guy that had this debate, you know, with Huff, which he thought, okay, I was. Because, I mean, he was. He was. No nonsense on that. He's like, you clearly knew what you were talking about and back this up and have made me, you know, rethink this whole thing. And I love that the guy you debated, he doesn't know what he's talking about and his career is over. I mean, it was like. Because then the guy who lost the debate, he's like, threatening to sue if it was released. He was trying to get out of. He just got in over his head. I mean, this guy started, you know, saying, well, let's just get into whatever language you want to get in. And. And some of the things he said, I'll just give you a nugget. One thing he said is the. The Book of Isaiah. For hundreds of years, the oldest original that we had was what's in the New Testament now. Well, then, I don't know how many years ago, I can't remember, but maybe 100 years ago, they find another manuscript. I think it was the Dead Sea Scrolls. Didn't they find that in the 30s or 40s? 40s, yeah, 40s. So when they find it, well, they find the Book of Isaiah. So then everybody was like, oh, no, because what if. You know, all these differences, you know, and so this Huff's talking. I'm just giving you the high points here. And did you know that it was written a thousand years before the one we had? And it was word.

[Phil Robertson]

Word.

[Jase Robertson]

And so when Rogan heard that, he was like, you got to be. I. I'm gonna paraphrase what he said. You got to be kidding me. Word for word? Like, word for word. How is that even possible?

[Zach Dasher]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

How could the, you know, passing it down orally be memorized? To that point, it made me think of that movie Denzel Washington did that.

[Zach Dasher]

Time about the Book of Eli.

[Jase Robertson]

Eli. And I mean, if you haven't. I don't want to ruin the movie for you. He had memorized it, and so. And he. He was. He was blind, but he. He could see. It was fascinating.

[Zach Dasher]

It's hard for us to understand that because our culture is. I mean, we have been so changed by Google that we don't have to memorize anything. In fact, I was thinking about this the other day. You know how many phone numbers that I actually know? That's like five.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well, guess how many I know.

[Zach Dasher]

Probably nine.

[Jase Robertson]

Zero.

[Zach Dasher]

You know your own phone number?

[Jase Robertson]

No. So they say, what's your phone number? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. And they're looking at me horrified, and I'm like, you people did this to us. Numbers. You have made numbers obsolete. So I want to button this up, because I know I said there was two interesting things happened. I just want to make this announcement. I am not. I'm not undercover. I did not do a show called American Primeval because three different people sent a picture to me and said, is that you?

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, this thing is blowing up on Netflix. Yeah, it's supposed to be the most violent show ever.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well, I checked out, you know, the first few minutes of it, which I thought it was. Wasn't boring. I haven't watched it, and. But I thought. I don't even.

[Zach Dasher]

There's a character like you.

[Jase Robertson]

I. Evidently, because three different people. And then I showed it to my wife, and she said, that does look like you. So I just wanted y'all to know.

[Zach Dasher]

This is an episode, not me. As we're talking here, Maddie, I'm thinking of all the different title descriptions that we could go with on this episode. There's a lot that.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, look, I will show you what I got this morning from. Look. A person who's not even in my phone. So I don't know who this is. And look, they sent this picture. Does that look like me?

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, gosh, it kind of does add about £10. It actually does. Hold on. I want to say one thing before we leave. I know we got just a few minutes, but that oral tradition is so important because we have a hard time understanding what that is. But in Jewish culture, they could pass down large amounts of information generation to generation to generation to generation. And one of the most powerful oral traditions in the scripture is in 1 Corinthians 15, which is 1 of the anchor texts of the church that we all grew up in, which is. This is an oral tradition that Paul received. I want to read it as we close because it is the actual gospel. Now, I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you have received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, otherwise you believed in vain. For what I delivered to you is of first importance what I also received. And here's the old tradition that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried and he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. That's an oral tradition that Paul received. It's one of the evidences, the earliest accounts of the gospel. They say that this was given within 15 months of the actual event, which, if you look at the history of how we access history, this is so reliable because we don't have events recorded this close or we don't have records to this close to the event in history. So it's just something I thought about when you were talking about that. But anyways, shows you the power and.

[Phil Robertson]

We'Re not ashamed of it. So that's what.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't think we ever got started with this podcast.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and yet it has to end. All right, we'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

[Jase Robertson]

It.