Ep 1028 | Jase Gums up the Drive-Thru Line, Zach Takes Revenge on Neighbors & the Masculinity Crisis

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Episode 1028 Summary

Title: Jase Gums up the Drive-Thru Line, Zach Takes Revenge on Neighbors & the Masculinity Crisis
Release Date: January 23, 2025

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1. Introduction and Opening Banter

The episode kicks off with the Robertson family engaging in their characteristic lighthearted banter. Jase asserts, “I am unashamed. What about you?” at [00:01], setting the tone for an open and honest conversation. Phil humorously addresses the studio's transitional phase, remarking on the unexpected presence of items from the "duck call room" and quipping about the duck room not winning a Caleb award [00:06–00:34]. The playful exchange highlights the family’s camaraderie and sets up a relaxed atmosphere for the discussions to follow.

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2. Celebrating Lisa’s Birthday with a Twist

Phil shares a heartfelt yet humorous story about celebrating Lisa’s birthday remotely. He recounts, “I just put her on speakerphone... So I can't partake in that” [01:32–01:46], illustrating the challenges and creativity involved in maintaining family traditions despite physical distance. This anecdote underscores the family's commitment to celebrating faith and family, even when circumstances require adaptation.

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3. Duck Hunting Adventures and Shared Experiences

The conversation transitions to duck hunting adventures. Jase describes a near-miss experience where a sudden influx of mallards appeared three minutes after legal shooting hours ended [03:04–03:36]. The family delves into the technicalities of duck hunting, discussing strategies and the unpredictability of nature. Jase’s vivid description, “the heavens opened as I was walking to go get the rig... it was like a bunch of bombers invading our duckhole” [03:04], immerses listeners in the excitement and challenges of hunting.

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4. The Duck Boys – Training and Discipleship of Young Men

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the “Duck Boys,” a program aimed at discipling and training young men. Jase explains the purpose and structure of the program, emphasizing the importance of mentorship and accountability: “Our culture has raised a bunch of young men who are spending way too much time staring at their phone... we’re remapping the brain” [09:23–09:50]. Phil echoes this sentiment, highlighting the transformational impact of hands-on training, likening Jay’s role to that of a dedicated coach [22:31].

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5. Addressing the Masculinity Crisis

The hosts confront the prevailing crisis of masculinity in today’s society. Zach states, “there is a crisis of real masculinity in the country right and the world right now” [14:43]. They discuss how traditional male roles have eroded and the necessity of programs like the Duck Boys to instill virtues such as responsibility, strength, and spiritual integrity. This conversation is intertwined with personal anecdotes, reinforcing the podcast’s commitment to fostering genuine masculinity grounded in Christian faith.

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6. Modern Culture and the Role of Light

The discussion shifts to the metaphor of light versus darkness, drawing parallels with biblical teachings. Phil muses, “light shines in the darkness, but the darkness is not understood” [38:35], exploring the multifaceted implications of this metaphor. The hosts delve into how Christianity offers illumination and guidance in a world often clouded by confusion and moral ambiguity. Zach expands on this by connecting it to the Kingdom of God, emphasizing the transformative power of Jesus as the “light of the world” [42:33].

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7. Practical Faith Lessons – The Chick-fil-A Encounter

Jase shares a personal experience at Chick-fil-A that serves as a practical lesson in integrating faith into everyday interactions. He narrates, “I never noticed until right now in this moment” [30:45–32:24], describing how a simple act of generosity and a subtle mention of Jesus led to a meaningful conversation. This story highlights the podcast’s theme of living out one’s faith authentically and seizing opportunities to witness to others in mundane settings.

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8. Biblical Reflections – Light and Darkness in John’s Gospel

The hosts engage in a deep theological discussion, referencing the Gospel of John to explore themes of light, darkness, and faith. Jase reflects on First Thessalonians 5:4, “you are all sons of the light and sons of the day,” linking it to their earlier discussions on spiritual vigilance and the inevitability of Jesus’ return [47:42–49:36]. Phil and Zach build upon this foundation, contemplating the irrevocable nature of Christ’s light and the personal responsibility to embrace it.

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9. Confession and Revelation

In a candid moment, Zach confesses an act of revenge during a Sabbath trip, admitting, “It was me and we can talk” [50:25–52:31]. This admission serves as an honest acknowledgment of personal shortcomings and the ongoing struggle to live out faith consistently. The family responds supportively, emphasizing repentance and the importance of accountability within their community.

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10. Conclusion and Call to Action

As the episode wraps up, Phil reinforces the importance of integrating faith into every aspect of life, from hunting to everyday encounters. The family invites listeners to engage with their faith actively, embodying the principles discussed throughout the episode. The final moments are spent encouraging listeners to participate in their ministries and continue the journey of being unashamed in their Christian walk.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jase Robertson [00:01]: “I am unashamed. What about you?”

• Phil Robertson [38:35]: “Light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it.”

• Zach Dasher [14:43]: “There is a crisis of real masculinity in the country right and the world right now.”

• Jase Robertson [44:31]: “You either, you know, love Jesus or you hate him. What you don't do is moderately believe in Jesus.”

• Phil Robertson [49:28]: “We were drawing them in.”

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Key Takeaways

• Faith and Family: The Robertson family emphasizes the importance of integrating Christian faith into every facet of family life, from celebrations to daily routines.

• Discipleship of Young Men: Programs like the Duck Boys play a crucial role in mentoring young men, fostering genuine masculinity rooted in spiritual principles.

• Light vs. Darkness: The metaphor of light serving as guidance and illumination in a morally ambiguous world underscores the transformative power of faith.

• Authentic Living: Personal anecdotes illustrate the practical application of faith, encouraging listeners to seize everyday moments as opportunities for witnessing.

• Accountability and Repentance: Honest admissions of personal flaws highlight the value of accountability within a faith-based community, reinforcing the journey towards spiritual integrity.

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Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're still in a transitional phase. That's why we're still in the lair. But I did notice the studio is. Is happening. I saw the table, saw some of the things I noticed. I don't know who did it. I'm assuming since there are people here from the duck call Room, that some of our stuff has wound up in this room. So I don't know if that's temporary, but I know that duck room didn't win a Caleb award.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, they may have now.

[Zach Dasher]

They did not.

[Phil Robertson]

They didn't.

[Zach Dasher]

Not yet.

[Phil Robertson]

But maybe we could just pass down all our stuff like once we've enjoyed it for a while. We could just like. Like a little brother.

[Zach Dasher]

Bad idea.

[Phil Robertson]

Like a hand me down.

[Zach Dasher]

Let him hold it for a little bit.

[Phil Robertson]

I noticed the. Somebody's got it blocked, but the wrestling belt is back there. So they. They pinched a few of our items for I guess their podcast.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I don't know how that ended up in here. I'll have to do some research on that.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, get right on that, Zach. So last night was Lisa's birthday. Unfortunately, she's in Gulf Shores and I'm here. But we wanted to go out and celebrate because that's what we would have done had she been here. So me and Hawk and Bill and Anna and BK went to one of our favorite restaurants and so I just put her on speakerphone. So I got a table for six and I just laid it there and called her. So the waitress came over and I was like, hey. She said, are we celebrating these special. I said, yeah, it's her birthday. And I pointed at the phone.

[Zach Dasher]

Did they bring you the creme brulee or.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, she offered to at the end, but I'm on this, you know, I'm trying to do better this year. And so I was like, I can't, you know, I can't partake in that. I said, but, you know, somebody might could do that.

[Jase Robertson]

So they get illustration and what's wrong with the world. Yeah, when you're. When you're Skyping into your own birthday.

[Zach Dasher]

Party, that's not good.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, she was actually at another gathering of friends in Gulf Shore. So it was just a minute days, but it was just kind of a funny. I'd never done that before. So then I get home and Zach is cooked at my house. And what did you cook that?

[Zach Dasher]

I didn't cook that. No, I actually ate it. A.

[Phil Robertson]

Who cooked at the house?

[Zach Dasher]

My son in law.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, Your son in law, he was staying there. I like your son in law. He's a good.

[Zach Dasher]

He's good people. No, I. I did a little thing that we like to call canes last night. We don't have one of those in North Carolina, at least where I live.

[Jase Robertson]

So y'all were working on the girth?

[Phil Robertson]

I'm working on it.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, there was a. I went in.

[Jase Robertson]

Rome, you know, and let's talk about being in Rome. You're in Louisiana. You came from North Carolina when I walked in. I've been duck hunting since I last saw y'all. Oh, really? I went yesterday afternoon after the pike.

[Phil Robertson]

Told me you were not going this morning. But you went.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I had to, because what I saw yesterday afternoon intrigued me. And we were three minutes. Three minutes from having one of the greatest duck hunts ever.

[Phil Robertson]

Three minutes.

[Jase Robertson]

His legal shooting hours were. It was over at 523. Well, at 5:26.

[Zach Dasher]

You're talking about yesterday.

[Jase Robertson]

Yesterday at 5:26pm the heavens opened as I was walking to go get the rig to pick everybody up. And it just looked like a bunch of bombers invading our duckhole where we were mallards. Mallards, lots of it. Was the grand Passage. It happened yesterday, three minutes after legal shooting hours.

[Phil Robertson]

How did they know that? You know, dad says they have.

[Jase Robertson]

It is a full moon. And so they get on this full moon pattern where they become nocturnal. Here's what's interesting. We went out to the hole. We drove my rig out there. About 30 ducks got up. Well, not much here, but there was 30 here. They leave, we do not see another duck till 5:10. So we only have 13 minutes. At 5:10, I looked out of the. Out to the south and I said, those look like mallards. Six mallards. And they came and I said, nobody call. Let's just see what they do. So they started working all around this big field we were hunting, worked round and round. And so every time they'd make a turn close to us, I said, the next time they do that, let's everybody call. Because we were in little bitty tight hole in the corner. So the first time we did it, no response. I thought, well, we're not gonna get those. But they. They came around, did it again. We all called. Well, two of them just locked up and came straight in over our decoys. Just ba boom. When we shot 150 mallards got up.

[Phil Robertson]

Out of the field that you didn't know were there.

[Jase Robertson]

Didn't know they were there. We drove an Argo out into the field. You would Think they would have got up? They would. I mean, you know, it's kind of thick. There's some. There's some weeds. And they just. They've been sitting there the whole time, and they never said a word.

[Phil Robertson]

Quiet.

[Jase Robertson]

So then three minutes after here comes 500 and just fill up the property. So I thought, okay, no, I'm going in the morning before podcast. And so unfortunately, we saw them.

[Phil Robertson]

They all left.

[Jase Robertson]

No, we saw them, but they just would not come in. They were just.

[Zach Dasher]

Tomorrow's the day. I'm gonna go tomorrow.

[Jase Robertson]

We shot six. It wasn't a total waste, but.

[Phil Robertson]

But Zach's dress for it. He's ready.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. You're. You came from North Carolina.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And when I walked in from. Because look at me. I've been in the wild. It was ice. And I looked at you and I thought, okay, the fear of freezing to death in Louisiana.

[Zach Dasher]

I've been cold since.

[Jase Robertson]

The last time someone froze to death in Louisiana was 1748. I think you're good. But if that makes you feel better.

[Zach Dasher]

I have cold.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, look. Because now you win.

[Zach Dasher]

Now. Now I'm a hot under the collar. I'm telling you what. Between you and Willie, man, I have had more analysis of my appearance.

[Phil Robertson]

Actually, you can now validate what others have said. And we say it here all the time.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

That when you're in Louisiana in the winter, and we only get a little bit of winter, but when you're here, and I think it's because of the moisture and humidity and it's, you know, 30s, right around 40 degrees with a wind blowing. It's a cold that goes straight to the bone. I mean it. You live in a cold place.

[Zach Dasher]

It's not like this. I don't get. I don't get bone chilling cold.

[Phil Robertson]

Bone chilling cold.

[Jase Robertson]

My buddy from Kansas, I go hunt with him, which I get.

[Phil Robertson]

You're talking about like, zero. Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

But he said, when I come down there, I freeze to death because I look at the temperature and dress accordingly, and I freeze because of all the moisture.

[Zach Dasher]

35 degrees here is 40 degrees. It's cold. You better be prepared.

[Jase Robertson]

I think we need to talk about the resurrection, because everything you're wearing to me is saying a fear of death. Orange hat on, don't shoot me. And now that is the thickest coat I've ever seen.

[Phil Robertson]

It's the thickest coat that's ever been on a podcast.

[Jase Robertson]

If I wore that to the duck blind, I would fall down four times before I got to the.

[Zach Dasher]

This is. Yeah, this is a big boy coat. I mean, this is. It's warm. It's got the feathers inside of it. It's. It's very warm.

[Phil Robertson]

You're actually gonna hunt tomorrow? That's your.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I'm gonna.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, you want to go with me?

[Phil Robertson]

I do, and this is gonna be a great story.

[Zach Dasher]

Now, what's funny is I met one of the. Well, I've known. I didn't. So I didn't know who all the Duck Boys were, so.

[Jase Robertson]

But about seven or eight of them, they're in training, so I went.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. And I figured out one of them last night was someone who. Who I discipled early on in his walk with Jesus Reeves.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, he's been a number of times.

[Zach Dasher]

So he said, let's get coffee. I'd love to hook up, meet up with you while you're here. So I'm gonna go duck hunting on Wednesday.

[Jase Robertson]

That's where we get coffee.

[Zach Dasher]

That's. I told him I would be with y'all. He said, oh, you. You have to. You have to get me in. I said. I said, are you. He said, I've been hunting out there. And I said, are you one of the Duck Boys? He said, yeah, I'm one of the Duck Boys. And I said, well. Well, just come. He goes, that's not how it works if you're a Duck Boy. He said, I can't. Like, I have to get invited by a guest. So he had all the rules. He was telling me, like, y'all got a system you're developing?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I'm. I'm at a place where other people are. We have a pyramid.

[Zach Dasher]

He literally said, the only way I can go is if you tell Jace that you want me to go because you're the guest, and that's the only way I can get in.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he's trying to. He's trying to subvert the system.

[Phil Robertson]

Jay, this is like the Don, you know, he. He doesn't get engaged.

[Zach Dasher]

What you guys are developing. It seems very interesting. I feel like there could. You could probably implement.

[Jase Robertson]

No, Jay, look, calls me every night.

[Phil Robertson]

Jay's the enforcer. Jace is the Don.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, he's good.

[Jase Robertson]

And he's like, look, what's funny is he gives me the profiles on where they're at in the growth process, because, like, one guy.

[Zach Dasher]

You talking about the Duck Boys.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

He goes to him, he said, you know, I think he's been improving, because what we do is our culture has raised a bunch of young men who are spending way Too much time staring at their phone and working out and not using the muscles that they have in the youth.

[Phil Robertson]

You're remapping the brain is what you're doing.

[Jase Robertson]

Look, on opening day, I'm going to just tell you what happened on opening day for the duck boys. They didn't get to go on opening day because you have to put your time in that. We had the grizzle veterans, which we did shoot 32 ducks. But opening day for the duck boys, we went to a new blind and we made a two sided blind that will hold 12 men. So I said, get them all. I want to take a look at the young troops. So we had them all there. Well, what happened was they don't realize.

[Phil Robertson]

They'Re being assessed, but they didn't realize.

[Jase Robertson]

That, oh, they figured it out after the hunt. So we hunt.

[Zach Dasher]

They show up thinking, this is a party, we're part of the gang.

[Jase Robertson]

There was a speech, a prayer, and a sermon before we started. Jay gave the speech.

[Zach Dasher]

That's the safety speech?

[Jase Robertson]

Yep, it was a safety speech.

[Zach Dasher]

Then don't ring somebody's ears. Stay in your lane.

[Jase Robertson]

One of the duck boys said, I think we need to pray. And I thought, I like this, that he wants to pray. But then part of me thought, is he only doing this to try to be impressive?

[Zach Dasher]

I thought, see, my first reaction was somebody sucking up. There's like.

[Phil Robertson]

Or maybe he was just being bold.

[Jase Robertson]

However, when you pray out loud, that doesn't lie. And when he prayed, I thought he prays a lot because it was a very real, authentic, great prayer.

[Phil Robertson]

So in the non paper form of checklist, he just got a couple of good marks.

[Jase Robertson]

He did authenticity. He moved up.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm saying that word, Zach. You need to be listening.

[Jase Robertson]

I moved him up, but he didn't know he was getting moved up, but he did. And so then I gave a little Jesus sermon. This is what we're about. Because I just thought, you never know.

[Phil Robertson]

Somebody may be right with the Lord. We had a Jesus sermon that's an homage to dad.

[Jase Robertson]

So then we hunted. Well, there was one unsafe act, which it wasn't like, you know, someone could have died. But because Jay's speech is like, everybody has a quadrant. You don't shoot unless you're in your quadrant because you don't want to shoot over your partner's head. And it's more just a respect thing. They're not in your quadrant, so trust the guy next to you that he'll fulfill his obligation.

[Phil Robertson]

That's the other thing, Jason. We learned it early is the consequences. The consequence of ringing somebody's ears is permanent ear damage, hearing loss. The. The negative about if a duck gets away is a duck got away and we'll kill him tomorrow.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So it's just, you know, I said there was one. There was actually a couple instances where someone. Both were duck boys did not shoot in their quadrant. And so it's like I took note of that and I said in the moment, stay in your lane, bro.

[Zach Dasher]

They're in your quad.

[Jase Robertson]

I just said, stay in your lane.

[Zach Dasher]

And you're on the right side. Does Jay Hunt the left side. Is that the anchor of the.

[Jase Robertson]

Actually that this is a two sided blind. So I was in the apex. I actually was in the middle and I gave a little funny about that.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Usually you have.

[Phil Robertson]

It'll usually reserve for yahoos.

[Jase Robertson]

But the way this blind is shaped, I wanted to be able to shoot either side because I wanted to, you know, make sure we kill some ducks. Not that I'm braggingly Hunt, because you're.

[Zach Dasher]

Left handed, you tip it.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm left handed on the right.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm left handed, but I'm versatile. So. So overall, I mean, I think we shot 10 or 12 ducks, but there was two things that emerged too many of them were sitting there on their phones, not paying attention. Just, you know, they come out there to get on their phone. I noticed it. And then when it was time to leave, some of them had. Had driven in and some of us had boated in. We. I mean we had 12 people. You can't all get in a boat. Well, about three of them, they just went and got in their rig and left before all the stuff had been pulled up.

[Phil Robertson]

Ooh, that's demerits. That's. Oh yeah, that's a mark off there.

[Jase Robertson]

That wasn't addressed in that moment, but they got demoted from the next duck boy. Hunt and Jay reamed them out. You don't ever come down and not bring something to the table. But the speech after was about those folds. I mean, Jay got up. It was like a football coach in a room. He's like, I'm going to tell you something. If what you're seeing in this creation and the conversations that have been hilarious and noteworthy and spiritual and Jesus, if that can't get your attention, then you need to look at your life. You need to go home and look in the mirror. Yeah. And he said, some of you need to leave that phone wherever you brought it from. I love this.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, this right here, this is. This would be a Good TV show because I agree with you. There is a, I mean a crisis of real masculinity in the country right in the world right now. And I would say that's a. There's a vacu of men discipling other men.

[Willie Robertson]

You've listened to this podcast for any period of time.

[Zach Dasher]

One thing that you should know is.

[Willie Robertson]

That we take the Great Commission very seriously. It's very clear that Christians as Christians were called to share the gospel and make disciples all over the world. And that's what our friends at Tomorrow Clubs do. They've been doing it for over 25 years. We love this ministry. They're going into some really difficult places all over the world, places that have pervasive poverty, alcoholism, hostility towards Christianity. In many cases, this is the first time that these children in these places are going to hear the gospel. So our partners at Tomorrow Clubs, they work with children in these places, they teach them the word of God. Their ministry is incredibly efficient and for just $30 a month, you can provide a Christ centered discipleship program to 30 kids. That's just $1 per child per month. More than half a million children have learned to follow Jesus in these Tomorrow Clubs. That's a lot of kids. And we truly believe in the mission of, of what these guys are doing there. But it doesn't stop there. Tomorrow Clubs, what they do is they create generational impact. These new Christ followers become disciple makers who influence their families, their friends and their community. And tens of thousands of these young people have gone on to be leaders in their churches and in their communities. The thing I love about Tomorrow Clubs is that they're going into areas with children whose parents don't know Jesus. So they're not getting discipleship in their homes. And what they're doing is they're entering in these communities and they're teaching these children about Jesus and they're discipling with them with long term relationships. So that's key. So really want to encourage you guys.

[Zach Dasher]

To get involved in what they're doing.

[Willie Robertson]

So if you want to help out and you want to be a part of this organization that we are participating with, go to TomorrowClubs.org Unashamed to become a Tomorrow Club's ministry partner. For only $30 a month, you will be providing a Christ centered discipleship program to 30 children in underserved communities. That's tomorrow clubs.org O R G slash unashamed. And remember, all of these gifts are tax deductible.

[Phil Robertson]

It's also that a, there's a Cultural thing going on now with people because they're so conditioned to phone, they can't enjoy any moment without having to record it. So you look out and you see something amazing, and you look around and there's 500 people with their phones up.

[Zach Dasher]

One of the greatest.

[Phil Robertson]

Or look at it, you know, like. And you're just like, just enjoy it.

[Zach Dasher]

Jill and I were out at. We went several years ago out to San Diego. I had a. Some work out there, so I flew Jill out. We're gonna spend a few extra days. And there's a cliff called Sunset Cliff, I think that's the name of it, on the Pacific Ocean. And it's supposed to be like, one of the greatest and most beautiful sunsets on the West Coast. And so it's known this place is. And tourists, they come and, you know, we were tourists. So we like this guy, this. Be romantic. Let's go out there and watch the sun go down. And. And we get out there. That's me and Jill. It's very romantic. It's very beautiful. The sun's starting to set and this couple. Young couple comes and they get in front of us and like, he gets the camera out the phone, and then she gets in like a yoga pose, and she's making a.

[Jase Robertson]

A heart.

[Zach Dasher]

If you're. If you're not watching. She makes a heart with her fingers and. And he's trying to get it where the sun is. It positions her, like, right in the center of the heart, and she's doing the yoga pose. And they're. And they're trying to capture this moment. And.

[Phil Robertson]

And they're ruining your moment.

[Zach Dasher]

They're running well. Yeah. So me and Jill are watching this and. And, but, but. And they did run the moment in some regard, but it was good because I preached the next Sunday, so I use this in my sermon. But I was like, they spent so much time trying to capture the moment.

[Phil Robertson]

To put it on a social media.

[Zach Dasher]

Put it on Instagram, that they actually missed the moment.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And they actually didn't even get the. They missed it. She wasn't good enough. And then they start fighting because the picture the sun didn't never made. She never could capture the. And she. She's blaming him. You didn't take the picture right. He's blaming her. No, you didn't do the pose right. And they miss the moment. They missed the sunset. Trying to capture the moment of the sunset. And I thought, man, if that won't preach about where we're at in our.

[Jase Robertson]

Current cultural moment, I mean, Duck hunting is exhilarating, and you enjoy the beauty and the peace of it all. And so, I mean, I think it was a good speech. I mean, Jay's.

[Phil Robertson]

And we're not anti. Like, for years, once cell phones became part of the thing, people, we always had them. And you could communicate if you had to get a message out or whatever, or look at the weather. I mean, there were some positives about it, but nobody just stayed on their phone the whole time. I mean, like, we were hunting.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm like, you're listening.

[Jase Robertson]

Jay's line was, there's nothing on there that you're going to scroll. That's going to be.

[Phil Robertson]

That's a great point.

[Jase Robertson]

You know the guy habit, you know, that people are into?

[Zach Dasher]

You ever heard of the guy? He's an author. His name is. He wrote a book called Wild at Heart. It's old, but older.

[Phil Robertson]

Eldridge.

[Zach Dasher]

What's his name?

[Phil Robertson]

John Eldridge.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. So he said something. I don't know if it came from him, but I just. It just popped in my mind when I thought about what you guys are doing about masculinity. That masculinity has to be bestowed upon you by another man. I thought, that's interesting. And he's. They've done all the research, whatever. But you don't just. You don't Just that. A man gives you that. And a lot of cultures, they have, like, a rite of passage and those things. And our cultures, like, that's all evaporated. But what you guys are doing. And I could tell, talking to Reeves, I mean, they're like, he. He's. And he's. I mean, he's a man. I'm not diminishing him at all. He's a great man.

[Jase Robertson]

He's a young man. They're all young men.

[Zach Dasher]

They're good guys. But I do think that, like, there's something to that. And I remember when I was a young man, I wanted to sit under the counsel and the leadership of other strong men, and one of those was Phil. And as much as I hate to admit it now, one of those guys was you. I never knew that you would turn out to be so ruthless to me on this podcast. But there was a time, Jay, it's tough love.

[Jase Robertson]

It's tough love. No, the only reason I am is because you're the one of the few people that are unoffendable, which I deem that quality very high. Those are rare because, you know, we have the big stuff in place.

[Zach Dasher]

That's true.

[Jase Robertson]

And so part of this happened you know, hurricane hit pretty severely our property about three years ago.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

So Jay was like, and now that Phil's down, because he had him and a couple of his young youths that were always working, and you don't realize how much he was doing till he's not able to do that. I was like, man, we need some help around here. Just clearing out trees and logs.

[Phil Robertson]

Off season help, Jake.

[Jase Robertson]

It was kind of Jay's brainchild. He's like, let's just get a.

[Phil Robertson]

But you gotta remember about something about Stone. So because, you know, Stone's a little surly, and you're around him, you're like, what's up with this story? But he was a teacher and a coach for a dozen years before he came on board with this. He was always really good at hunting and fishing, but so he had that in him about shaping and training young men. Football, basketball. So a good coach. I mean, there's so many coaches that listen to our podcast, and I know why. Because you're shaping just what you're talking about. You do that through sports. In our case, it's through honey. So Jay has really taken that part of his life and now applied it in. But he never stops being a teacher and a coach.

[Zach Dasher]

He's a great teacher. I mean. I mean, Jay's a guy. If I'm gonna cook something, if I smoke a meat, I'll call him like I did one over Christmas. And his instructions, the way he. I mean, it's very clear, very precise. I mean, he communicates.

[Jase Robertson]

So that same opening day with the duck boys, well, you know, one of them said, man, they started talking about they were hungry, and I thought, you know, this is bring your own snacks. And so they're like, boy, they started fantasizing about what they could be eating because they were all ready to go. Yeah, we're not going.

[Zach Dasher]

They're dropping hit.

[Jase Robertson]

Finally, I said, we're not leaving till Jay says we're leaving. And I said, well, I got good news, boys. And so I open my bucket. I have one of those big yeti buckets, and out comes. I had about five cans of.1 of the greatest things you can eat in a duck blind.

[Phil Robertson]

Don't say sardines.

[Jase Robertson]

King Oscar sardines with jalapenos. And I had a little Tabasco with it and a little mustard. And I said, crackers. Oh, I had crackers. They were more. They weren't the squares. They used to be squares, but when you put a package of crackers in your bucket, they just turn into crumbs.

[Phil Robertson]

Barely crumbs, which works almost powder.

[Jase Robertson]

You can sprinkle a little bit on them. Well, to my surprise, here. Here are these young in shape men and they started going, ew.

[Zach Dasher]

They tell you they turn their nose up at it.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I started ridiculing them because I was like, this is one of the greatest things you want to be.

[Zach Dasher]

A man, you know what you mean.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm eating a fish.

[Zach Dasher]

Sardines are a superfood.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I was like, very healthy. And so then they had a cameraman there. They was like, well, why don't y'all just try it? You know, because they wanted to film. So they did. And I think it was funny, but because they were like, no, no. I mean, as soon as it hit their lips, it was like, no, no, no, you don't want to start a gag. And you know, I just thought you got a long way to go to manhood.

[Zach Dasher]

Did any of them enjoy it? Did any of them eat it?

[Jase Robertson]

None. The only person that enjoyed it was one of the. One of the mentors. Yeah, Old Chad. I mean, he was just eating it like it was filet manual nursing. Look, it's not a filet mignon, but in a duck blind.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And just being out there, it's part of it.

[Zach Dasher]

I like sardines.

[Jase Robertson]

I want to give you.

[Phil Robertson]

But I. I learned a long time ago from dad's way more. Jace is, you know, he'll leave quicker than dad used. Dad would just stay all day sometime.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And, and like I get it all day. If there's a chance we might get something because I've. I've wrote it out.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm at that point now the next two or three days, because I'm off. I'm probably. Man, it's getting personal here.

[Phil Robertson]

What I'm saying is you learn in which those guys will be learning. If you want something to eat, you better put a few little snacks. If you don't like sardines, you better put something in your little bag.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what Jay said. He's like, do we have to tell you that you're self sufficient here? You bring a bag. That's why we have a bag and a bucket. Don't be whining because you're not eating every 10 minutes.

[Zach Dasher]

It sounds like a football team. I mean, this is what.

[Jase Robertson]

That's the way it is. I'll give you a few positives. One of the duck boys that has emerged because they're asking us questions. And so like a lot of. One of the best things I Can do. I have weaknesses and strengths when it comes to duck hunt. One of the best things I can do is if a duck goes down, there's an over a 90% chance that I'm bringing him back. And that's a whole nother world.

[Phil Robertson]

Dad's always said there's no retriever that's better than Jay.

[Jase Robertson]

It is, but I like it. It's fun and, and I don't like to leave any duck behind. So, you know, it's personal. So they were quizzing me about it, you know, well, you don't realize how influential you can be. I mean, I basically said, here's the whole deal. It was a. About a 20 minute speech with all the tips, pointers. And so one of the duck boys who was listening, he got another visit to another place because I was like that guy there now. And we were going through them. So I picked two or three to go on a hunt because I thought it was going to be really good. And so we shot down two mallards. Well, one of them I wasn't sure was dead. And this fellow Luke said, you want me to get him, Mr. Jace? I said, get him. And I had mentioned that you have to move as fast as possible when that duck is down. But always keep your gun in a safe position. But you have to. That first move has got to be wide open. That joker went down that ladder and we're hunting in a place that was hip deep and it was filled with smart weed. So it's like a carpet of smartweed floating right below the surface. And I kid you not, I looked at Jay and I said, that is the first human I've seen not walk on water. Run. He was high stepping and it looked like if we'd have filmed it. But it happened so quick. I didn't think it looked like it was a miracle because you couldn't see the grass that was floating. But about every time he would sink down and he's big, trying, he could run through a wall. I mean, just he'd been working out and he just ran on the water into the thicket, and it was thick and he didn't even slow down. He just went in.

[Phil Robertson]

Now that's the strength of being a duck boy right there.

[Zach Dasher]

Did he get the duck?

[Jase Robertson]

Once he hit the thicket, he was out of the grass, Matt. Then it was just. I said, he's still running, he's still running. And then there was a pause and I heard boom. And I said, I think he actually got that duck. I said, jay, before he hears What I'm going to say, if he brings back that duck, he will be elevated to the top of the list after that.

[Zach Dasher]

You know what this reminds me of? When, when he would carry the bill, get him to carry the fish and boy strong.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. All my friends, he would say, well, he'd look over at Greg or one of those, he'd say, man, look at the physique on that young man. And we'd all look, you know, of course they'd be like, everybody puff up, you know. And he was like, he said, grab that, grab that tub of fish. Let me see what you got there, son. And you know, it's like he's straining and they're looking and dad's like, look at that. Woo.

[Zach Dasher]

You talk about strong taking on the trade.

[Jase Robertson]

So then he came back and he, he wasn't acting like he hadn't been there before, you know, he was. And I said, he got even with the blind. I said now that was a retrieve. And he was like, thank you.

[Phil Robertson]

Was he breathing heavy?

[Jase Robertson]

No.

[Phil Robertson]

Wow.

[Jase Robertson]

And I thought, you know, there's a big difference. I said how old are you? He said 25. I said, there's a big difference in 55 and 25 because my running on water is over. I would have had a different tactic. I would have been half the speed. And then when I got in the brush, I would have had to use other tactics to find. But he just bull rush all the way.

[Phil Robertson]

That's the beauty of youth. If you can harness that. You got that.

[Zach Dasher]

And now that the other six duck boys are now working that much harder to make sure that they can.

[Jase Robertson]

That's it. You got it. So it's going good. Look, it's actually helped me too because I'm conscious when they're there. I always give a little Jesus sermon. We hang out in John a lot. And I'll give you for instance. But it's made me more conscious of, of just who I'm around. And I'll give you illustration. So I left here yesterday as I was going duck hunting. But I realized, well, I haven't eaten anything. I mean, it's 1 2:00 and I don't like fast food, but I like chick fil a just because they seem to acknowledge that there is a God and they have good manners and the food is decent, good service.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I go in, have a funny conversation with the little girl outside because she said that'll be $18. Yes. I ordered $18 worth of food and I looked in my wallet and I had A hundred dollar bill. And then I had a huge stack of money. But when I saw I got it out, they were all ones. And I said, you know what I think has happened? And she's looking at me because it got awkward. I said, I have a credit card. But I thought since I have such a big.

[Phil Robertson]

You're the person that I cannot stand to be behind a chick fil.

[Jase Robertson]

A cow. I held the lineup.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, I know it. I'm like, what is. Because this person. Order and give them your credit card. What are you doing? I said, always what I would have been saying by.

[Jase Robertson]

I said, look, my lovely wife. I said, we've been married 34 years. And. And I dropped the Jesus nugget in there. I say, the only thing we have in common is Jesus and now our kids. I said, so it works. I said, but look, here's. Here's how clever she is. She left the ones because she wasn't interested. And she left that hundred just in case there's an emergency. But everything from the 5 to the 50. I said, it's gone. And I said, I never. I never noticed until right now in this moment.

[Zach Dasher]

She's a smart woman.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I'm gonna give you 19 $1 bills and let's start over and regroup.

[Phil Robertson]

You know what she thought though, Jace? I can tell you what she thought. She said, that old guy, that poor guy, he doesn't have any money.

[Jase Robertson]

And I had a hundred in there, Al.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, but she was like, you know, she looked at you, she looked at your nasty. And she thought, that old guy, he's just dreaming, you know, not the couch cushions.

[Jase Robertson]

Got the maybe. So we had a little chuckle, but I had a little Jesus nugget there. So I pulled up to the window and this guy says, hey, Jase, you killing any ducks? I thought, well, he recognizes me from somewhere. And I said, well, I'm fixed to go right now. I said, how's the chicken business? And he went.

[Phil Robertson]

He locked it.

[Jase Robertson]

I was like, you're in the chicken business. Is it good or. He said, you know, it's. I've never thought about it like that, but I guess it's pretty good.

[Phil Robertson]

Okay. All he had was, you kill me ducks. And he wasn't expecting, you know, yeah or no, he wasn't expecting a how about you?

[Jase Robertson]

It was kind of funny. These are young people, is my point here. So then he said, well, you know, let's go. I ordered some kind of grilled chicken, cheese, bacon. So evidently nobody had ordered that in the last hour. So he's like, can you pull up while we get your order? So I pull on up. Well, I pulled up. I had my window down because I.

[Phil Robertson]

Thought, I call that Chick fil a purgatory.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

When you get put into the little in between, you got to wait for somebody.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm not really paying attention. And I heard a guy say, jace Robertson. So I looked and I went, yep. And he said, heard of you. Well, I know what he meant, because that's right. I Tombstone, you know, heard of you. I said, what are you boys doing? They look like teenagers. And he said, we drove 700 miles to hunt in the great state of Duck Dynasty. That's what he said, the great state. So now we.

[Zach Dasher]

It's our state, 700.

[Jase Robertson]

I said, I'm assuming you came from the north, because if you didn't, you're.

[Phil Robertson]

Living in the Gulf.

[Jase Robertson]

You're a sea creature. I said, you probably should have stopped along the way and hunted before you come down here. We're the last one. That's a great one, you know, so we. They hunted a public refuge over there. And I thought, what y'all shoot? They actually shot a few mallards, you know. But my point of being in this mode is I thought. Because I quickly thought to myself, it's Monday. And I said, you look. I said, you boys are young to take a road trip. You look like you're 17. That was a good way to find out how old they were. And he said, 17. I'm 22 years old. So they were 22. But I thought, it's Monday. You don't have a job, you're not in school. But I didn't want to say that, but I thought, you know, I think we need a Jesus sermon. So I just said, what do y'all think of Jesus? And it was just like, when I asked the guy, how's the chicken business? The guy said, well, I try to pray every time I'm in the outdoors. I said, well, you must be praying a lot because you're a hunter. And he's like, well, I try to. But I said, well, here's what y'all need to do. Go to your hotel. I'm sure there's a Bible in the. In the drawer somewhere. And y'all read the Book of John. And I said, when you get to chapter 20. And then I went into the fishing. They had a big fish caught 153, you know, and then. Then they're eating fish. And Jesus said, come eat breakfast. I said, you know why that story is powerful and they were. Look, I did notice they were eight feet away, and now they're three. So they were listening.

[Phil Robertson]

We were drawing them in.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And I said, you know why that's a spectacular story? And they were like, why? I said, because if there's a way to fish or duck hunt forever, it's going to be the way Jesus pulled it off coming back from the dead. And they just had the stunned look. I said, so y'all going to go back and read the Book of John? It was like, yes, sir. I was like, well, y'all do that. Make Jesus your Lord, and I'll see y'all on the other side of this thing.

[Zach Dasher]

I'd love to hear the rest of that story.

[Phil Robertson]

And, you know what happened. And, you know they'll be telling that story.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

About. Hopefully it'll.

[Zach Dasher]

If you came down here to duck hunt. Think about it. You come down to Louisiana to duck.

[Phil Robertson]

Hunt, and because of. Because of show and the family.

[Zach Dasher]

The family.

[Phil Robertson]

And then you run into.

[Zach Dasher]

See, Jay said, why you got to be like, this is what we came for.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Because I was a little embarrassed that these duck hunters saw me at a.

[Phil Robertson]

Chicken place in Purgatory. You were in the bad.

[Jase Robertson]

Well. But I'm saying, why aren't you eating ducks? But I didn't have. I didn't want to explain it.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I just thought, hey, you gotta eat more. I'm going duck hunting right now.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is why I'm at a chicken place, because it's in the middle of.

[Phil Robertson]

At least it's foul.

[Zach Dasher]

Chicken. I mean, I think it tastes better than a duck anyway. So the chick fil a is pretty good.

[Phil Robertson]

Duck. Duck is tough.

[Jase Robertson]

So I don't know what this has to do with the Book of John other than the more we're reading it. I'm thinking Jesus called these disciples, and part of us being spirit filled men is to take the young men and turn them into disciples of Jesus.

[Phil Robertson]

Actually, it's a perfect segue to where we left off because Zach read 1 through 5 and we were talking about the life and the light, which, by the way, that's what you exhibited in that moment. You were light in life. You gave them like they came for a reason, but you gave them when they left with something bigger. Yeah, that's what life and light does. But it actually. Now we're in the next two verse, three verses of this text in John 1 that describes this witness, this guy who came, who was prophesied to come because he wanted to point people to Jesus. So just Your story just exactly describes the purpose that John the Baptist.

[Jase Robertson]

And remember earlier when I mentioned all the times testifying or testimony or being a witness is used in the book of John, he's making a case for Jesus being the son of God, the word becoming flesh and being resurrected.

[Phil Robertson]

Right. I want. I did want to make one comment before we move in, and I want to read 6 through the rest 18 to set it up for what we'll be talking about going forward. But I want to make a comment about that. Zach, in verse five, we talked about, you read. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness is not understood. What is your. Does yours say that word as well?

[Zach Dasher]

Mine says that the darkness has not overcome it.

[Phil Robertson]

Okay, so that word, Greek word, I looked it up. It can go either way. Obviously, there's a little different attachment to whether you overcome something or whether you understand something. Of course, it's one of those classic words. Is it either or is it both? And I think it's both. And darkness has not overcome it, but it also hasn't understood it. And the idea is, is that there's. Anytime you run up on somebody, there's a potential of light and dark, I think, in any individual. And so we're talking about something being there and being offered. And then there's a choice to either be a part of it or not be a part of it. And so because if you're talking about understanding something, you're darkened by, you're not sure, you don't know, and you need to know. So I think it's interesting that he uses that term.

[Jase Robertson]

I do think Peter, when he said in 2 Peter 1:16, in the same line as this testimony and testifying. And they were witnesses because you see the church today, they call what we do witness, which not sure that's really the same thing. We weren't eyewitnesses of it, but we.

[Phil Robertson]

Do witness life change. We do witness well, exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

And we have the spirit. So I don't have a problem with it. But Peter says we didn't follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty, which is why they all were martyred instead of denying Jesus, for he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the majestic glory, saying, this is my son, whom I love, with whom I'm well pleased. And you remember that happened at his baptism, Jesus baptism. We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain. Now he could have been talking about the transfiguration there too, because he also said it there. But verse 19 is where I wanted to get to. And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, which because they were all saying Jesus is coming and you will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. So he makes that same kind of John analogy here about light and darkness. And I think it does go back to creation also when he's like, let there be light. So in the new becoming new creations, which is all over the New Testament, we become new creations in Jesus spirit filled people. Well, let there be light. Once again, it's more of a spiritual light that is an awakening, which I.

[Phil Robertson]

Think that's why that word intrigues me, because you can't overcome that light. Satan couldn't overcome that light. He tried, but he couldn't. And so it can't be overcome. But at the same time, for some people, once darkness appeared, it's hard for them to understand. And so they have a choice because later in 2 Peter 3 he says he doesn't want anybody to perish. In other words, he provides light because he wants everyone to be in the light. God loves every. Every created being he made, he loves. And so you have a choice. Once darkness enters the picture, do you want to stay there or do you want to come into the light? I mean, the opportunity is yours. So I love it that that word has such a broad implication when you think about it, because you can't defeat Christ now you. But you can ignore Christ.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, just think about the concept of light itself. I've heard it said this way that light or darkness rather is the absence of light.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I was thinking the same thing.

[Zach Dasher]

It's not like you never think about, okay, I want to go in a room that's full of lights and I want to bring darkness into it. That's not how it works. Well, to make the room dark, you turn out the light. So light is a. And it's kind of a great picture of the life in the kingdom that this whole. What we argue is what the kingdom is about. It's progressive. And so it's not. So many times we think it's like God's giving us like this, he's going to reward you with eternal existence. Well, that's not really the description of life, eternal life in John, the Gospel of John, it's not simply a Quantitative existence, it's also qualitative. It's a quality that is meaning in his presence. And so when I think about when it says, Jesus is the light of the world, he's the light of men, it's that he illuminates. Wherever he is, there's illumination. And you can see.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I was like, oh, whoa, that's that, that. Oh, wow, I can see now. I can have. And think about when you're in a room, you ever done this? Like, I look like if you stay in a hotel and you wake up. You ever woke up in the middle of the night and you. And you don't know where you're at, and you're like. And you're like. Your hands are like, I have no idea where I'm at.

[Jase Robertson]

That's a great illustration. That's why when he makes profound statements like John 15, when he says, I'm the VI of the branches, if a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit. But then he just makes this little statement, apart from me, you can do nothing.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And that's why it's so light and darkness, life and death.

[Zach Dasher]

You can't do anything. But all you are is confused. And you're stumbling around in that hotel room until all of a sudden, the corner of your eye, you see the. The light under the. Just that little thin strip of light under the door from the hallway. And you're like.

[Phil Robertson]

That gets you to something.

[Zach Dasher]

It's a context.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't know who made this quote. You'll probably remember it, but it's. It's you. You either, you know, love Jesus or you hate him. What you don't do is moderately believe in Jesus.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Or something to that effect.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Because when you do that, you've rationalized somehow. I mean, it's either light or it's darkness. There's no middle ground. That's why you get into that. Like the text about being lukewarm. And it makes him want to vomit because it doesn't add up. And I do think it's like that when you're being honest with yourself, it's.

[Phil Robertson]

Just an honest thing. You remember the movie the Natural with Robert Redford? It's like an old movie, 30 years ago, baseball movie. And, you know, he had entered. He had. Had the. All these hopes and dreams, playing in the major leagues. And then he gets into a bad situation all of a sudden, he disappears for like 20 years. He shows back up. He's still a great player, but he's. Nobody knows Where. So nobody knows who he is. And he comes in the office of the guy that owns the baseball team and he's been just ripping the ball. And all of a sudden everybody knows who he is. And they're like, and who is this guy? And the, the owner. They symbolize the sort of nefarious nature of this guy because he's dark, he doesn't like any light. He's got one little lamp on. He's sitting in this dark office and overlooks the stadium. It's real creepy looking. And so Redford is looking around, you know, and so they're having this conversation. He said, it's dark in here. And the guy's like, yeah, you know, he gives all the reasons why he likes the dark. And then Redford says, well, you can't see in it, you know, just like a practical. And so they had this argument, when he leaves, he flips the light on.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's why before light was invented, I saw somewhere that the average sleep time before Thomas Edison invented the light bulb was 11 hours a night, which.

[Phil Robertson]

Happens to be probably nighttime to daylight. Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Zach Dasher]

Shut it down. What you going to do then?

[Jase Robertson]

Before the cell phone was invented, it was like eight. So you see?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, you had light. So that gave you another threat. When? So now, now that we have cell phone, I'm sure it's like five or six. Probably not much because you're getting dinged in the milk. But what my point is, you're doing a lot more in the darkness now because you have a physical light. But probably what you're doing is not very well, I think.

[Phil Robertson]

Ephesians. In Ephesians, when Paul says the disobedient do in darkness, I mean, the idea.

[Jase Robertson]

Is there's One passage in First Thessalonians which I always like. First Thessalonians, 5, 4. Because it's a faith test. I do a faith test in my speeches. Have you ever taken the faith test?

[Zach Dasher]

A faith test?

[Jase Robertson]

It's a faith test. There's an actual verse in the Bible that's like you want to know if you really have faith in Jesus. There's a test scenario. If I can find First Thessalonians, I'm singing that song in my head.

[Zach Dasher]

First Thessalonians, what?

[Phil Robertson]

Five.

[Zach Dasher]

Five. I'm there.

[Jase Robertson]

Here it is. First Thessalonians, five. Here's the faith test. First. So you just talked about when Jesus comes back. You remember First Thessalonians, 4, 13, 18. We believe Jesus died and rose Again. And he'll bring with him those who have fallen asleep. All right. We'll be caught up in the air. So then he gets chapter five. He says now about times and dates, we don't need to write you like, well, when is he coming? Because everybody, all we know is whenever somebody says he's coming, that's not then. So then he says, you very well know Lord to come like a thief. But then in verse four is the faith test question. And it's discusses what we're discussing here. But you brothers are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. So there's the faith test. If Jesus coming back right now would surprise you, well, you failed the faith test.

[Phil Robertson]

That's pretty good.

[Jase Robertson]

Even though you don't know when it exactly come. But when he does come, there's, you know, whether it's a physical trumpet sound.

[Phil Robertson]

Or whatever, however it happens.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. You look up and you're like, hey, what is that, a drone? Oh, no, it's big. It's a man. Wow. How is he doing that? You know, so some people are going to do that.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I don't think it's going to be in a way where it's like, well, did he come on the east coast first? And because I think if you have the power over the atoms and the molecules, you can just show up everywhere at one time. So here's Jesus. Well, if you're surprised, that's the one thing you do not according to this verse. You're like, oh my goodness, it actually, I can't believe it.

[Zach Dasher]

Whether you're in trouble and, and, and, and the rationale. Read, read. The rationale for why we're not surprised is verse five.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, right. That's why I wasn't getting this. Light and darkness, this is the one I was talking about. You are all sons of the sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to darkness. So then let us not be like others who are asleep, but let us be alert and self control for those who sleep, sleep at night and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

[Zach Dasher]

That's pretty much how it happens as a general rule.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think he's just using this as an illustration to where you're like trying to hide your mischief, which I've.

[Zach Dasher]

Told you, that's what they did in the garden. Right. I mean they hid because they didn't want to be seen. That's what Adam and Eve did. We, Jill and I went on a trip with the Kids, over Christmas, we do a Sabbath trip every year. So we stayed at. And see. I'm gonna give a confession here, by.

[Jase Robertson]

The way, when the Sabbath. Just one day.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, we did. It's. It's a. It was a resting trip where we turn off all the phones, turn off all that. It's, It's. We do it every year.

[Phil Robertson]

I like it.

[Zach Dasher]

And so here's the confession. And it'd be interesting if the person who received what I'm about to tell you is listening to the podcast. Be interesting. But. But we stayed in a. In a house on the beach next to another house. But they're kind of close together. Well, the other house was about four couples, I would say, in their late 20s, early 30s. And we saw them come in, and I thought, oh, they're just getting away for the new year. Oh, let me tell you something about midnight. We're talking dark. The party started. And I mean, it went on till 4:30 in the morning every single night. And I mean, I couldn't sleep, I was so angry. So the. The day before, the day we left, I had Max. I did it as almost a joke, like, I bet you wouldn't do this. Kind of like how you manipulate the duck boys. I was manipulating Max. I was like, I bet you wouldn't go up there and just bang on their door. Because about 8am and they had just shut it down that night, about 5am so they'd only been in. So Max goes up and he starts banging on the door. Hey. Ringing the doorbell and screaming. Well, they all come stumbling, I mean, and then he takes off, run and jumps in the van. We truck and we take off. They're like, they're coming out and they're stumbling and they're like, wait, I'm just like gut wrench laughing. So he got.

[Jase Robertson]

We're gonna send him up there to sing some worship song.

[Zach Dasher]

No, no, no. This was. This is this revenge. This is pure revenge, you know?

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it's a Sabbath that turns sour.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, they would party till. They would party till 4am and then sleep till 3pm and then get back, get up and do it all over again. But I thought, you know, the question.

[Jase Robertson]

Should have come up. What would Jesus do in this situation?

[Zach Dasher]

He turned over the tables in the temple. Look, I said it was a confession and say if you were the victim of the banging on the door at my. Now, I don't know if I want to repent, but I at least want to tell you that it was me and we can talk.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And you should repent. All right, we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

[Jase Robertson]

It.