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Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1034 | An Update on Phil’s Health, Upcoming Surgeries & Jase Channels His Inner ‘Exorcist’
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Phil Robertson
Oh, such a clutch off season pickup, Dave.
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Jase Robertson
I was worried we'd bring back the same team. I meant those blackout motorized shades. Lines.com made it crazy affordable to replace our old blinds.
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Phil Robertson
Hard to install.
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Jase Robertson
No, it's easy. I installed these and then got some from my mom. She talked to a design consultant for free and scheduled a professional measure and.
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Phil Robertson
Install hall of fame, son.
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Jase Robertson
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Phil Robertson
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Zach Dasher
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Jase Robertson
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Phil Robertson
Rules and restrictions may apply.
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Jase Robertson
I am unashamed. What about you?
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Zach Dasher
I saw a picture of the Duck Boys on Instagram, and, Jase, I hate to break the news to you, but the Duck Boys final picture of the duck season was the Duck Boys with two big bucks, not ducks. So I don't know what kind of. What that means.
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Jase Robertson
It's being addressed.
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Zach Dasher
And they actually called themselves the Duck Boys. They like the Duck Boys had a great season. I'm like, you're. I'm.
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Jase Robertson
Look.
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Zach Dasher
I'm looking at you with two big monster deer.
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Jase Robertson
You want to pick a fight? I'm. I've been fighting for three days. No. Let's see. When's the last time I saw y'all?
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Phil Robertson
The last time you saw us was two days ago.
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Jase Robertson
Let me tell you what happened after that session, and I want to apologize for those two podcasts because I kept thinking, why am I so tired? And I. I was just. I was feeling. I wasn't feeling good. But I have the Holy Spirit. I'm like, we're talking about things. I don't even remember what happened, but it's as soon.
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Phil Robertson
Let me interject, Jace, because I felt like that was two of the best podcasts we've ever done.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I will take zero credit for any contribution I made, because that was surely the Holy Spirit of God. Because as soon as I walked out of this room, I started feeling a little discomfort. And I went to the bathroom and I thought, whoa, that was. That was messy. Then somebody wanted to talk about something. I don't even remember the conversation, but I. I just had to end it. I thought, I gotta go. I'm not. Not feeling real well. So when I got home, it got worse, because then I could tell I had fever.
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Zach Dasher
They got more messy is what you're telling me.
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Jase Robertson
Well, you know, it's been a long time since I have thrown up with force, uncontrollably. And so I got into one of those deals where it's kind of Like a stock picker trying to figure out what's where, where the next vibe is coming from, you know? But in this case, I only had two choices. But it did occur to me, you know what I think we need? I think in our toilet industry, I think you need to buy a toilet when it may happen only once every 10 years. Because you get into a situation where you have two places where things are coming out, but you're only in one hole. And I literally was doing some kind of weird dance. I would sit down, I would get up, I'd turn my head over, I'd sit back down. I was looking at that wall thinking, you don't realize how dangerous.
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Zach Dasher
There's an acronym called tmi, Jase.
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Jase Robertson
No, I'm just saying this is what real people go through. I saw a quote somewhere. When you go through hell on earth, that's when you realize you need the presence of God in your life. There's 150 Psal out there that describe that. And I. I really think, you know, we're reading Romans 8. I got. I was thinking Romans 8. All these scriptures were popping in my head in between whatever that was. That seemed to go on for hours. But because you do a lot of praying in that moment, because you really think in the short term you're dying. Yeah, I mean, this is. What was the movie that, you know, they got into the demonic. You know, they always do the demonic things and you start throwing up. So I don't know, maybe that. Yeah, the Exorcist. So I actually think I've lost weight because since that 24 hour period, I haven't felt real good. I've had a few fever bouts, but, you know, I'm. Everything I do is I take some water and I just sip it. And then you say, okay, I think we're good. You know, I've been sipping a little.
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Zach Dasher
Coffee, maybe like a saltine cracker to ease back into this.
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Jase Robertson
That was the first thing I ate. I ate about six crackers. And I thought, okay, well, then last night, because now I'm two or three days into this. Missy had made our parents out some meatloaf and mashed potatoes. She actually cooked there two days in.
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Phil Robertson
A row, which, by the way, mom was raving about, because I talked to mom pretty much every day and she was telling me, she was like, missy, meatloaf is every bit as good as one I ever made and how good it was and how appreciative they were. So that's good.
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Jase Robertson
Well, they actually ate it twice, which is because Then, you know, Phil wasn't doing good the second day, she said. And so I was going to give you a little Phil report. And that's one of the reasons I'm here today, because I, you know, it's all about perspective. Getting better is something we take for granted.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, it's a good point.
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Jase Robertson
And so right now, look, I feel not great, but I'm better than I was. And I'm pretty sure, you know, I'll be better as time goes on. But that's been sad about my dad because he's just. He has these conditions that they do not seem like he's getting better. I mean, we just have little short stints where he feels better. And so he's. He got bad news that he's got more fractured vertebrae. So, yeah, multiple. So we've had six already. And.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, this would be seven.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I think it's more than one, but. Right. So that'll. That'll be happening. But what you see is like, you know, Missy went down there Monday, and he seemed fine mentally, and. But then yesterday, which was Tuesday, he. He. He didn't. He didn't seem so well. He was going to lead the prayer, and he. He just. He. He couldn't lead the prayer. I mean, it was just a long pause. And one of his cousins were there. Was there. One of his cousins was there. You remember old Mac Hobbs, Al. And they were visiting him and Mary, two of the sweetest family members that we have and loved them to death. And it was really difficult for them, you know, to see Phil in his current condition. And so he. He. Missy said. He said, phil, let me. Let me finish that prayer for you. You know, of course, then he got teared up. It was very emotional. Now, having said that, Willie went down there last night, and Phil was perfectly fine. The best he had seen him mentally. So it was like, just in a few hours. Yeah, he was perfectly fine. And so it's very frustrating. But that's a field report, so keep praying. You know, we're. We're trying to make him comfortable, and I think for the most part, we've done a pretty good job with that. You know, he has more better days than bad days, so.
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Phil Robertson
And I'd have to say, Jason, it's definitely been a rally point for our family in terms of, you know, us cooking. And a couple of times last week when I was in town, you know, Lisa and I went out and actually cooked there and just, you know, visited. Because what happens is, you know, they're just in the house now all the time, too, and they don't get out much. So, you know, just an encouragement. So, you know, it's like anything else. You go through something as a family. You have to decide, you know, what are we going to do about this? We're going to rally to it, you know, and so I think it's a good thing for any family that's going through a difficult time. You can sit around and, you know, just feel terrible about the situation, or you could say, let's pull together as a family and make it the best we can. So that's kind of been our approach.
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Jase Robertson
And we've had a lot of new ideas. We actually had a meeting last night. I was just on the phone because obviously I didn't.
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Phil Robertson
Because no one wants to be around you.
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Jase Robertson
This was contagious, which my wife either she has supernatural forces, she just doesn't get sick very often. And I thought, babe, you're getting this. I mean, because she was just been in close proximity, but she hasn't. So evidently it's either not contagious or my wife just. She just doesn't get sick.
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Zach Dasher
So she hadn't got it yet.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, but I'm going to tell you, she gets sick about once a decade. So now when she does, she goes down. But. So anyway, she's been real nice, but I have my computer today because I haven't been able to prepare. I literally was. So just, you know, when you have fever for a long period of time, it just, you can't. I couldn't write. I couldn't see straight. And so I'm going to do this Bible study today on the cuff.
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Zach Dasher
So we'll see how that goes.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I mean, we're talking about John the Baptist and I mean, we are.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, we're kind of in our wheelhouse here. And we did have a preliminary. Al. Jason, I had a preliminary discussion before the podcast. I did call him this morning.
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Phil Robertson
So y'all are having podcast?
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Jase Robertson
We did. And it. I said I've been thinking about this. I've been unable to write anything down, but I kind of ran it by Zach and he thought it was an interesting discussion. So there's your. Your cliffhanger. But yeah. So, yeah, I don't know.
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Phil Robertson
Well, I'm here myself and the audience are awaiting this epiphany. So we've talked a lot on the podcast about weight and usually it's Jay's pointing out that he has heavier co host than himself. Is that Zach? Am I. Am I mischaracterizing?
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Zach Dasher
No, he's chastising. He's been chastising us.
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Jase Robertson
Now, there's no chastisement. I deal in facts. In the real world, I say the truth.
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Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
Well, do you want to just, you want to go ahead and dive into this? Why don't you do what you were gonna do with the Book of John and then I'll figure out how to go down this.
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Phil Robertson
All right, I'll catch us up. Because we, we've been for a minute or 2 in John 1:1 18. And just because as we've described this, it's, it's the prologue to the Book of John. But, you know, everybody's trying to describe it. It's like you take everything about Jesus and just condense it down into this one package that's so powerful. Every time you begin to unwrap it, you just run into this whole new line of thinking. And that's kind of what we've been doing for the last few podcasts. And then in the middle of this, he gets to this concept of John the Baptist, who is like this witness to the light and to the life. And so last time we were on the podcast, we got into that more specifically in the verses. And of course, it takes you back to the Old Testament. We talked a lot about Isaiah 40, Malachi 3 and 4, because John the Baptist had been predicted as Jesus had been predicted throughout all the Old Testament. So it's kind of taken us back to that concept that all of the Jewish history has now come together in this moment with this forerunner coming on the scene. And everything he's doing is like prepping the people for what's going to happen. The interesting thing is you're not prepping it for way in the future. He was prepping it for literally in his lifetime. And so the last thing I said about this, because now we've gotten down to John 1:19, is that this unique role he played was. Wasn't just as this Elijah, you know, in the flesh kind of person, but he was also a family member. He was some kind of cousin. And he actually was, you know, given the Holy Spirit in the womb. The Bible says in Luke 1. So, I mean, you know, this guy is an amazing person.
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Jase Robertson
Well, that's it.
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Phil Robertson
And now we get to this witness part of what he's going to do. So that kind of gets us back to where we are.
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Jase Robertson
That little mention of Luke 1 is where I went down the road.
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Phil Robertson
Yep.
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Jase Robertson
Because, you know, when you think about this, you seem to have, you know, Jesus being portrayed, which in John 1, you know, we didn't say. This is kind of like an overview that's almost poetic. And then you see it lived out in all these. Whatever you want to call it. Some people call it like a symphony or portraits or with all these conversations and signs. You know, some people break it down to, like, the first 12 chapters are these signs. And then 13 through the end is the glory revealed in what Jesus does and who he is. And so all these things in John 1, I mean, he starts from the beginning, which is interesting because if you look at the other three Gospels, what they call the Synoptic Gospels, they all have interesting starting places, and you can go look them up and see. But John, he's like, let's just go back to the beginning, which I think is interesting. And so it kind of. He's tying up basically creation with this new creation that Jesus is going to introduce. Would you agree with that.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, for sure.
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Jase Robertson
Well, when you get to like what we're going to get to in the end of John 1, he goes back to this story with Jacob's ladder. And you see this kind of. This quote from, I believe it's Genesis 28, when he said, in 31, I tell you the truth, this is John 1:51. You shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. And he kind of introduces this what we would call temple language, which in their mind, the temple was where heaven and earth intersected. It's where God and man met. And so everything their world was from a Jewish standpoint was about this temple. And so then Even in John 2, you know, his first sign is this at a wedding banquet, you know, which leads to him clearing the temple, remember? And then the argument that came out of this, and Jesus says, you destroy this temple. This is 2:19, and I'll raise it again in three days. And the Jews replied, It has taken 46 years to build this temple, and you're going to raise it in three days. But the temple he had spoken of was his body. And so if you tie all that together, this ladder where Jesus is bringing heaven to earth together, think about, you know, Ephesians 1:10, then you say, what's the significance. Significance of John the Baptist? Well, when I read Luke 1, I was shocked at. Even though I've read this many times, we actually did Luke in a podcast, did we not? In a podcast, the whole book, but I don't think we made note of this. And I was. I just kind of wanted to read where the details about John the Baptist arrival. You mentioned it.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And before I read that, Luke 1, it just to go down my rabbit hole where I. Where I had this idea is when I read in John 1, where's that verse where it said the priest and they came to John? Let's see, let me read that.
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Zach Dasher
The priests and the Levi's.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, Levites came to John. So let's just. Let's just read the John 1 first.
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Phil Robertson
That was in 19.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah. So verse 6 says, there came a man who was sent from God. Now that. That little statement, there, they came a man. Well, Luke 1 tells how that happens in graphic detail. Correct. And you'll see some interesting things. His name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe he himself was not the light. He came only as a witness to the light. He came only as a witness to the light. The true Light that gives light to every man was coming to the world. So then when you skip down to verse 15, it says John testifies concerning him. He cries out saying, this was he of whom I said, he who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me. Which kind of goes, yeah, which, let's just stop and think about that. But it goes in with what John's beginning. Going back to the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Phil Robertson
Right.
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Jase Robertson
So then verse 16, from the fullness of his grace, we have all received one blessing after another. The law was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. So then go to verse 19. Now this was John's testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. And he did not fail to confess freely. I am not the Christ. So he was basically saying what some people call. He was a sign post or a forerunner.
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Phil Robertson
Yep.
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Jase Robertson
So if you look up Levi's, Levites and priests, you just a standard definition. What would y'all say? I'll look it up on here.
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Phil Robertson
The priesthood for Israel was all from the tribe of Levi. So like this is the, these are the heritage guys. The one tribe that was picked that their role was was to service at the temple. They did the sacrifices, they did the cleansings.
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Zach Dasher
They ran the whole show at the temple.
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Phil Robertson
They ran the whole show. And so out of that group you would have a high priest and you would have all these hierarchies. But then these were some sort of probably mid level guys, which we mentioned that Zachariah, who was John the Baptist's dad, was more of a low level guy, but they were all from the tribe of Levi. So I don't know that there's a significance between the two, but they were all from that group.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I think the key is there's that priestly role that was reserved only for people, men from this particular tribe.
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Phil Robertson
Correct.
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Zach Dasher
You, you don't have a legitimate priesthood outside the trap, outside of the tribe.
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Phil Robertson
Of Levi, which by the way, Moses and Aaron were from this tribe.
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Jase Robertson
Yes.
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Phil Robertson
Because they were brothers. And it was kind of interesting because Aaron is kind of seen as the father of the priesthood, but Moses was also a priest, which is a whole other.
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Jase Robertson
Well, to read the AI overview, which I'm, I mean, I think at some point we need to change that to something because everybody's all wigged out about AI, which. Okay, it's coming. I mean we just had the. Whatever the Chinese came up with, the deep. Yeah, whatever.
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Zach Dasher
It was deep seek, I think.
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Jase Robertson
Well, it's, you know, is it really artificial or is it just a compilation of all the data?
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Zach Dasher
The idea of artificial intelligence is, is an oxymoron. It's their bar. It's, it's borrowing from intelligence that we have already inputted into.
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Jase Robertson
Thank you. That's what I thought. Me and my wife talked about that.
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Phil Robertson
So, Zach, we had an exciting phone call this last week. I think it's a big announcement to Unashamed Nation, maybe to Jace as well. Would you tell Unashamed audience how many babies have been saved because of their help with our friends at preborn?
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Zach Dasher
Over 5,000 babies were saved through our audience being a part of this ministry, which was like, wow, that's like a real number. Real people who now are living on planet Earth.
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Jase Robertson
Now we're talking.
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Phil Robertson
And so we just want to say thank you. First of all, it's more important than ever. The government, the federal government seems to be more pro life, but when you get down to the state level, not so much because we got states that are all in the battle. And the problem is now we have an abortion pill. And so instead of it being a clinic or someplace you go to, the real battleground becomes in a person's home.
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Zach Dasher
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Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
But I was just thinking artificial intelligence, because I'm. When I read this definition, I think they got it right, but they just went in there and figured it out. But it says in the Bible, priests and Levites were both classes of people who served in the temple in Jerusalem. Oh, I think that's significant. And some people who listen to our podcast might not have known that, but I just thought, wasn't that interesting that the first definition that comes out has to do something with that temple? And the next chapter, at the end of the first chapter of John and chapter two, we're going to get into a lot of temple talk. And so it made me go over and read Luke 1. And what's funny is I have a NIV version, which I do not go out on the streets and say, oh, I love this version of the Bible. Sorry for those who have come up with that version. But I've read the same Bible so long, I just, I can't function without it. You know, I'm back in 1984. But what I noticed is when you read online, which is why I brought my computer. Well, the NIV, they've changed a lot of their translations since 1984.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, they upgraded in 2011.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, and that's going to be significant because of what I'm going to get to. But I just wanted to read this on the birth of John the Baptist foretold. I mean, this is such a crazy story. And even in Luke's beginning, he says. Because I see the word come up when he says in verse, well, just let me read the first two verses. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the Word. Interesting take, because John, you know, in the beginning was the word. He, you know, his is capitalized. But it's this same idea about when God makes a promise and think of Hebrews 6, it's impossible for God to lie. Or when God says something, it happens that you can trust it, His Word. And think of the Isaiah 40 that we read. Remember it said his Word endures forever. And that was the same quote that John used in the John the Baptist Coming.
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Phil Robertson
And you know, it's interesting, Jace, because you make a good point because Luke is saying in this first two verses of his Gospel that he's the very first of this second generation of people who, you know, listening to the witnesses, because, you know, he was a doctor from Ephesus, but he's now listening firsthand to the people that saw it, which now, all these 2,000 years later, as we talked about last time, the podcast, we're still getting the eyewitness accounts from what we read in the scriptures.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah. So I want to read some of this, which seems historical. And at first you think, oh, this is kind of boring. Which is why I probably never noticed this before. There's always given the details. Verse 5. In the time of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah. Well, what was he? He was a priest. So what did he do? He. He worked in the temple. Now watch how this works. Who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah. His wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly. So that was kind of their credentials. And it's the reason God chose them, because we talk about God choosing John the Baptist, but I'm going to make a point that he actually chose Zechariah and Elizabeth for a purpose which led to another purpose. And there was a miracle or supernatural intervention that occurred because verse seven says they had no children because Elizabeth was barren. And they were both well along in years. We'll do the math. This is, you know, when you reach a certain age, you're no longer able to have kids, Right?
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, it's like Abraham, Sarah.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, it's all connected. Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
Well, yeah. So, I mean, like, when we start talking about he foreshadowed. There was a lot of foreshadowing going on. And he chose a guy in the temple and look how he chose him. I just was fascinated by this. Verse 8. Once, when Zachariah's division was on duty, he was serving as priest before God. So it's just a random thing where he's chosen by priests before God and guess how he was chosen by a lot. I mean, this was just random. He happened to be. I'm using this. I'm being sarcastic here, but it was the.
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Phil Robertson
Their version, Jace, of a lottery. We would, you know, where you just put some names in a hat and draw one out. I mean, that's basically how Lot was done.
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Jase Robertson
Which doesn't seem very Christ like, but just. Yeah, I'm just saying this is the word of the Lord. He was chosen by Lot according to the custom of the priests to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. This was not a normal functioning thing that was happening. He's because God had a plan. When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was grit with fear. But the angel said to him, do not be afraid, Zechariah. Your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son and you are to give him the name John. He will be a joy and delight to you and many will rejoice because of his birth. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink. And he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. Which is a passage I've never really understood and that's why I wanted to bring it up. But seeing as how this is a miraculous or however you want to. How should we characterize this?
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Phil Robertson
One thing, since you're there, I'll mention because I read this text to Jace, is the Greek word there could be birth or in the womb, which when you read later about how it went down, I think is a better translation than even birth.
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Jase Robertson
Let me see how they changed that. Since 2000 I looked that word up. 115 says, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord, he is never to take wine or form in the drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he's born. So they even amended what I read.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, exactly. I think it's a better.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, yeah, I do too. Well, let me read this version then moving forward. He will bring back many people of Israel to the Lord their God. And let me stop right there because what I was going to say about that being filled with the Holy Spirit or under the influence, you know, we were taught al in Bible school, when you see that there's something miraculous happening, you're being filled. You remember when the Holy Spirit was poured out and people. It says they were filled and they began to speak in tongues. It's usually some kind of miraculous spirit. Now that's not always the case. You know, in Ephesians 5 it says, Be filled with the spirit, seeing to one another and with psalms, spiritual songs and hymns, you know. But I'm just saying as a general rule, you do like in this case. And the point you're saying, well, how come you don't understand this? Because in John 7 there's an interesting and somewhat controversial. What do you call it when the writer throws in his opinion, parent, parenthetical Maybe parenthetical thought. Yeah. In John 7, and I want to read this. In verse 37 of John 7, it says, on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, if anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within, within him. So that it's like, oh, what. What is that? What does that metaphor mean? Well, if you're thinking that, then he throws in what that means. By this, he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time, the Spirit had not been. Since Jesus had not yet been glorified. So I bring this up because, well, I thought Jesus. I mean, I thought John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit at birth. And then here it says the Holy Spirit hadn't been given yet. What. What does that mean? Do you see what I'm saying?
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
So if someone who was not familiar with this, how would you explain that? Is where I'm getting at. Which is why I've always. When people ask me about Luke 1, well, how did John the Baptist. How was he filled with the Holy Spirit? If John said in John 7 the Holy Spirit hadn't been given?
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Phil Robertson
Well, and my answer would be, I can go back in the Old Testament and give you probably four examples where men of God, throughout Old Testament history, before Jesus, even the Messiah even came, had the Holy Spirit given to them for specific purposes.
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Jase Robertson
So it's not like this honking donkey.
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Zach Dasher
There's a big difference. But. And I had this exact same conversation on the Not yet now podcast, because I was talking about this baptism of the Spirit. And then someone had made it in the comments section on YouTube, on the YouTube channel, that having the Holy Spirit is clearly separate from salvation. And they had mentioned a couple instances in the Book of Acts, but I made the point. There's a difference between a gift of the Holy Spirit and the gift of the Holy Spirit. So when the Holy Spirit could be in someone like John and working through. In the Old Testament, because the Holy Spirit was. I mean, the Holy Spirit is the third member of the Trinity. It's not like he just sat out until Pentecost, you know, like, yeah, he.
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Jase Robertson
Was actually hovering over the waters at creation.
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Zach Dasher
He's always been entire time. The big. The big difference of what happens at Pentecost and really what Jesus is inaugurating here through his baptism. The baptism of the Spirit is the one that he talks about in Acts 2, that if you repent and be baptized, you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. That's a different thing. That is the Holy Spirit moving in and taking up residence in the believer, which is why it's connected with this temple language that's the First Corinthians 6, that your body's a temple of the Holy Spirit. So that is not separate from salvation. Because Paul says in Romans 8 that if you do not have the spirit of Christ, and that's a capital S. So he's talking about the Holy Spirit. He said, you're not. You're not connected with Christ.
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Jase Robertson
So. Oh, this is so good. I asked y'all, we agree. I had the same opinion, and I knew that's what y'all were going to say. And I agree 100%. But I just wanted to do it in that format. But I want to say something, because even though we're talking about John the Baptist and we've now gone down a rabbit hole, but I think it's a good rabbit hole, I discovered it's actually.
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Phil Robertson
Another rabbit hole from your rabbit hole.
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Jase Robertson
No, Al, we're in a rabbit hole. Of the rabbit hole. Of the rabbit hole.
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Zach Dasher
But this is like that Leonardo DiCaprio movie, what's it called, Inception, where you. I'm starting to question what's real.
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Jase Robertson
I want to say we're in the Matrix. Guys, I want to say this because I really think this is profound. When he said. When he said, I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. But that's John the Baptist saying that. Well, I've gone to Luke 1 and showed you already that it wasn't just some random guy. You're like, oh, some wilderness guy that, you know, had camel hair and ate locusts dipped in honey. I know it doesn't say that, but I'm just telling you, I tried to eat a locust one time. That was one of the most disgusting things I've ever tried to eat. And then that's.
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Phil Robertson
So what you're saying is you. You need a good sauce. That's what you're saying?
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Jase Robertson
Well, he ate honey also. And I thought, you know what? After I tried the locust, I'm pretty sure John the Baptist dipped it in honey. It's honey.
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Zach Dasher
It was honey dipped locust. Yeah, it's lost in translations, but it.
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Jase Robertson
Made me gag and sin as much as I've thrown up in the last few days. I don't want to talk about that anymore. But I want to. I want to say this. Do you Know that John used a Greek word, if I can pronounce it, that is found nowhere else in relation to the Holy Spirit. Did you know that?
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Phil Robertson
No. You're in John 7 or.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, I'm gonna give you the verses. We're gonna read them.
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Zach Dasher
John or John the Baptist.
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Jase Robertson
John.
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Zach Dasher
Okay, the Apostle John.
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Jase Robertson
The Apostle John. Now, when he uses that, he'll be baptized. John. Baptized by water. But Jesus will baptize you with the Spirit. That is the normal word. Wind. You know, translated wind, fire. Of the spirit. You got holy is a Greek word. And then spirit. So you put them together, you got something. But there is an unusual word that's only used by John. John, the writer of John, that is called Para. Paraclete. Yeah, Paracletus. So there. There are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 references. So the first one is John 14, 16. So let's just go ahead and read that. It's an awesome. It is an awesome word. It goes to what Zach said. There's a difference. And when he introduces this idea. So let's read 15 and 16 of John 14. If you love me, you will obey what I command, and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another. Now, there's very different renderings of the word into English. You have Counselor, Helper, Comforter, I think, or. Well, we'll. I'll save the other one. So let me just read you a little bit of the definition of this.
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Phil Robertson
So is that. Paraclete is right there.
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Jase Robertson
That's Paraclete, Counselor. Okay, mine says counselor. I don't know what the updated.
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Phil Robertson
What does yours say, Zach? Does yours say counselor?
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Zach Dasher
John 14.
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Phil Robertson
John 14, 16.
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Jase Robertson
We're having a Bible study here.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I got, like four tabs open right now. Yeah, let me see some rabbits with you boys. Mine says helper.
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Jase Robertson
All right, well, I covered that. But look, I love the definition of. This is someone who is called to aid, support, or intercede on behalf of another. I mean, that's the idea, right?
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
An advocate, intercessor. That was the other one. Advocate. A consoler, comforter, helper. Well, it's only used here in John. Don't you find that fascinating? And John, like. I mean, when he said he'll baptize you with the spirit, well, this. This is what you get. Verse 16. He will give you. Look, not only will he give you another counselor, he'll be with you forever. Now, that's quite a statement. Not. Not just, oh, for a time. He will be with you forever. That. That word. Wait a minute. I'm going to get Something that's going to be with forever, does that mean I'm going to be? I wouldn't think. I mean, that's why I'm saying when. When he said he'll baptize you with the Spirit, John was just getting started on what the implications of that was. Then it says, okay, where's the next one? Because I'm getting bogged down here, John, on my phone. 14:26.
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Zach Dasher
When the helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
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Jase Robertson
True, but I want to say this. That was right after verse 23, because we're just skipping randomly through this. Which 23 said, if anyone loves me, he'll obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and he will come, and we will come to him and make our home with him. And so 25, he uses this Paraclete. Again, all this I have spoken while still with you. But the counselor, there's the Paraclete. The Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you. So what is the idea here? We're talking about making home. He'll be in you. All right, so next one is 1526. I feel like we've gone this far. We need to read all of them. 1526. No, remember, this is after the dissertation about the world, where we're in a world, but the world doesn't. They're not going to like you, if you follow me, because they didn't like me. And so then he's introducing the idea of you're not of this world. There's going to be a world within a world. And now you're starting to see that you have a world with humans, and then you have a world of humans in Christ who have this counselor, this guide, advocate, helper, who's going to be there forever in you. And so when you get into this heaven and earth coming back together in some form. Now you're starting to see how this is taking shape by introducing this counselor. So 26 is when the counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. Well, no wonder we're talking about Jesus all the time.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
Okay. And. And you. I'm really excited about this. And you must. You also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning. So then when you get to John 17 and that prayer, all of a sudden you get our inclusion. But the next one is John 16, seven. But I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the counselor, the Paracletus, the helper of the guy, will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you when he comes. Look, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer. And in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned, you're like, I have that in my body.
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Zach Dasher
And if you think. If you think about the. What he's saying there, too, like, why is it he says it. Jesus is saying, it is good that I leave because it's not fully complete yet in you until he comes to live in you. And it makes a little bit more sense when you think about it that way with his argument in verse 10 where he says, concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you will.
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Jase Robertson
No longer see me.
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Zach Dasher
Like, what does that mean? And I think what that means is it's easy to do the right thing if Jesus is sitting right next to me, right? I mean, I got the Son of God right next to me. Like, I'm going to do the right thing when it comes to righteousness because I've got the Son of God with me. But he said, I'm leaving and I'm going to go to the Father and you're not going to be able to see me any longer. Where the Spirit is going to come in, though?
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Jase Robertson
What?
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Zach Dasher
You already referenced that verse where he's going to make his home in human bodies now. So now Jesus was incarnate. The Son was incarnate in Jesus, meaning that he could be in one physical place at one time, but when the Spirit comes, he can be in the bodies of all believers throughout the entire world, throughout all time. So now when you think about the proximity of my presence with God, like, it's not a. I don't go into a temple anymore. A place. And when I. And I got to come back out, like Moses did, he had to go in. You know, he'd meet with. Meet with God. He'd come out, go back and meet with God. That's kind of the whole point of the Spirit is, no, no, no, he's going to be with you always now. He is living in you.
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Phil Robertson
He's.
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Zach Dasher
He's taken up residence ever forever in. In the body of humans.
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Phil Robertson
It tells you, Zach, the two key components of why the ascension had to happen. One was that just that that's when the Holy Spirit would come and make it personal on each and every one of us. And the second thing was to show that human beings could then be in the both realms and function because we could be in the presence of God. So you got both of cl.
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Jase Robertson
You're tracking your mind went there and I haven't even. Look, I said all that.
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Phil Robertson
I missed the pre meeting. I missed the pre meeting. And I'm there.
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Jase Robertson
There's one thing left. There's one verse reference left. And if you read the whole book of John, you're not going to find it. I said there was five. I only read you four. Where's the fifth? So without cheating and looking up the Greek without cheating.
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Zach Dasher
Is it in the book of Revelation?
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Phil Robertson
I'm saying this John 17 somewhere.
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Zach Dasher
He said, what in the Book of John?
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Jase Robertson
Stop. In the Book of John, Al, you got a. You got to pay attention to the game. So. And it's. Look, this all. That's exciting because I saw y'all just bursting with excitement as I was reading every word. I was like, boy, John, when. When he's talked about Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit, he was fixing to lay down a showstopper and what that means to humans. And he used this Greek word that is not used anywhere else in the Bible. And just to make it complete, the last time he used it is actually in First John. And I'm going to read it, and you're going to say, wait, what? First John 2 and verse 1. My dear children, now, the only reason I'm not reading the first chapter of First John is we're going to study First John after this. Because if I start reading this, we will have to do seven podcasts to get how excited I am about what he talked about in the first chapter of First John before he got to this phrase, because it made everything make sense and click. Once I read this, what was it?
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Zach Dasher
First john what?
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Jase Robertson
First john 2. 1. You might want to. If you underline in your Bible, you might want to underline this one, because look what he does here. And this is a mind bender. First John 2. One says, My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense. Well, that word. Let me see what the current niv.
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Zach Dasher
We have an advocate with the Father.
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Jase Robertson
Well, that's a better translation. Before I throw the NIV under the bus again, I want to read the new niv.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, The ESV says, you see that word advocate?
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Jase Robertson
Yeah. Oh, well, you know what? They made the change in the new Nov. So let me read it here. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate, a paracletus with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous one. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for the sins of the world. So Al, when you naturally or spiritually went there, when you said, it also makes Jesus's ascension make sense. Well, it does because it shows that connection. That's why I read that about Jesus being the ladder and you're going to see the angels ascending and descending. That's why he also said, when I'm lifted up, I will draw men to myself. That's why he said in John 3. John 3 you say, what? What does that have to do with the ascension? You remember when he said, I'll read it. Well, let me read the new one. In John 3 he says, where is that at? Right after he talks about being born again. And he says, I think it's verse 12. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe. How then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven.
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Phil Robertson
Correct.
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Jase Robertson
The Son of Man. And you're like, what's he talking about? Because he's looking at him becoming human.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
Doing what he did and then making the presence of God in the heavenly realms available for humans by being the first human to enter that portal on our behalf. So when you think about it, he gives us the spirit, this paracletus, and we then what do we do? We testify about. We represent him. Well, then John takes that same word and is like, well, he's representing us there. I know you're struggling with sin here, but you have God's spirit and you have his son at the right hand of God making that presence available for human beings. And he is performing that today. Which gets you to realize when people say, what is Jesus doing now? He's doing spectacular things in the heavenly presence for us and he's doing spectacular things on earth through his spirit Paracletus, that's in us. So just to remember the word here, I came up with a catchy tune because I know we're running out of time. So you have a world within a world, you have spirit filled people in the world. So we're all created by God and we all talk a lot, most of us, you know, we're in essence, parakeets. You know, the thing about when you walk by a parakeet, but they, you know, what do they do? It's a bunch of nonsense. But there are those who are paracletists who have the Holy Spirit of God. When they're talking, they're speaking the word of truth. So it's a good way to remember it. I didn't read that out of a book. It just come out on the top of my head. But it'd make a great shirt, be a paraclete instead of a parakeet. That's good.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I think that when you think about the significance then of this baptism of Jesus, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, hopefully what this will do. Because there are people in our audience, because I know they've responded to me in other formats that believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit, it means that when you speak in tongues and I'm like, no, that is not what. That's not. That is not what the baptism.
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Jase Robertson
Well, because to your point, if that was true, then how come John wasn't baptized in the Holy Spirit at birth? And that was the point I was going to make. I know we're out of time because we did not finish this because I was going to make a point. The whole reason I even went down this rabbit hole is because I was perplexed on why John didn't get it. Remember when Jesus came to baptize him, I mean, to be baptized by him, he's like, well, wait a minute now you need to baptize me. I can't baptize you. It's like two views. You have John's view, then you have Jesus view. And remember when he was in prison, he was like, hey, somebody go, go ask Jesus if he's the one.
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Phil Robertson
Are we sure this is the.
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Jase Robertson
Well, wait a minute, I thought that was your whole job. John, what seems to be the problem? And I have concluded what Zach mentioned earlier, that even though he was chosen by God, like a lot of people in the Old Testament, and ultimately it was Zachariah and Elizabeth there, was still in the same thing when Jesus said, john the Baptist is the greatest person ever born of a man. However, if you're in the kingdom, you're greater than him. And I think it's a reference to having this paracletus inside you as this counselor. Well, that's my point.
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Zach Dasher
I think the point is this NT Wright DeBar from him again said that the point of the Gospels, the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, is it's the story of how God became king. And so when you start to think about it in that context, what's happening here is this is the inauguration. He's coming. The king is coming. The kingdom is coming. I mean, Mark says that. I mean, he defines the gospel as the coming of the kingdom in, like, Mark 1:18.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I'm getting to that next, but maybe we should suspend this and pick this up.
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Zach Dasher
Are we out of time?
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Jase Robertson
We're way out of time.
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Phil Robertson
We're out of time. We're over.
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Jase Robertson
But I never got through the Luke one. I need to finish Luke one next time. And then, then we're going to get into exactly what you're talking about, the kingdom of heaven.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, it's all coming. All right. So we'll, we'll pick it up here next time we get back in the Book of John on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.