Ep 1038 | Jase Grapples with a Traumatic Memory of Granny’s Chickens & Tim Tebow Teaches Him a Lesson

Summary

Podcast Title: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Host/Author: Tred Robertson
Episode: 1038
Title: Jase Grapples with a Traumatic Memory of Granny’s Chickens & Tim Tebow Teaches Him a Lesson
Release Date: February 10, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 1038 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, hosts Al Robertson, Jase Robertson, and Zach Dasher delve into a heartfelt exploration of faith, personal challenges, and the intersection of sports and spirituality. This episode seamlessly weaves personal anecdotes with biblical study, offering listeners both inspiration and practical insights.

Being Unashamed: Embracing Faith Publicly

The episode kicks off with the hosts proudly affirming their identity as one of the largest Christian podcasts. Al Robertson humorously muses, "This is a taste. If you hadn't figured it out, we're kind of a big deal" (00:27). Jase adds, "I am unashamed. What about you?" (00:16), setting a tone of confident faith that permeates the discussion.

Sports and Faith: A Personal Journey

A significant portion of the episode revolves around the hosts’ passion for baseball and how their faith influences their sports fandom. Al reminisces about his childhood as a Dodgers fan, sharing nostalgic memories: "During the 70s, I had to make a choice out of those teams... I started watching them" (03:11).

Jase discusses his evolving fandom, stating, "I was a Dodger fan. Then when I started meeting famous Major League Baseball players, everything changed" (03:38). He emphasizes supporting players who follow Jesus, highlighting the importance of aligning personal interests with spiritual values.

Tim Tebow’s Influence

The conversation takes a pivotal turn when Tim Tebow is mentioned as an influential figure for Jase. Jase recounts a personal interaction: "My friend Tim Tebow... helped me with that because the first time he was at my house he was like Jase these..." (05:04). Tim Tebow’s impact on Jase underscores the episode's theme of mentorship and personal growth within the Christian community.

Biblical Insights: Studying the Book of John

Transitioning from sports to scripture, the hosts embark on a deep dive into the Gospel of John. Al introduces the discussion with a reflection on John the Baptist’s role: "John the Baptist... realized it's time for me to fade into the background" (19:21). Jase highlights the significance of John’s portrayal of Jesus, urging listeners to read the book of John: "Just go read the book of John and say, who is Jesus?" (17:39).

They explore the literary brilliance of John’s Gospel, noting its unique approach compared to other gospels. Jase states, "Jesus revealed the almighty God in human form" (18:03), emphasizing the profound theological insights offered in the text.

Visceral Fat and Spiritual Health

A transformative segment features Dr. Ashley Lucas, a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease, who joins the conversation to discuss the physical aspect of wellness. Al shares his personal struggle with weight loss, saying, "I've been trying to do it alone... It was the difference" (29:33). Dr. Lucas explains the science behind belly fat, describing it as an "organ" that perpetuates its own growth and affects overall health (48:03).

Dr. Lucas outlines her PhD Weight Loss program, which emphasizes customized meal plans and behavioral coaching. She states, "We have to focus on the mental, emotional, the habits, behaviors" (41:30), highlighting the holistic approach to weight management that integrates mind, body, and spirit.

Integrating Physical and Spiritual Wellness

The episode beautifully intertwines the discussion of physical health with spiritual well-being. Al relates his weight loss journey to spiritual battles, saying, "I was fighting my own body... It was the same thing here. I was fighting my own body" (50:43). This analogy underscores the overarching message that true wellness encompasses both physical and spiritual dimensions.

Conclusion: The Power of Transformation

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on transformation and the importance of aligning one's life with Christ-centered values. Jase encapsulates the episode’s essence: "Jesus is the light. He's going to specifically say that in chapter eight... Without Jesus as the center, you'll be confused" (28:32).

Al adds, "We're all transitional figures to show people who Jesus is," (34:43) reinforcing the theme that each individual has a role in God's larger narrative.

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Notable Quotes

• Al Robertson (00:27): "This is a taste. If you hadn't figured it out, we're kind of a big deal."
• Jase Robertson (00:16): "I am unashamed. What about you?"
• Jase Robertson (03:38): "I was a Dodger fan. Then when I started meeting famous Major League Baseball players, everything changed."
• Jase Robertson (17:39): "Just go read the book of John and say, who is Jesus?"
• Dr. Ashley Lucas (41:30): "We have to focus on the mental, emotional, the habits, behaviors."
• Jase Robertson (28:32): "Jesus is the light. He's going to specifically say that in chapter eight... Without Jesus as the center, you'll be confused."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 1038 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family offers a rich tapestry of personal stories, biblical exploration, and practical advice on wellness. By intertwining faith with everyday challenges, the Robertson family provides a relatable and inspiring narrative that encourages listeners to embrace their faith unapologetically while striving for holistic well-being.

Transcript

[Al Robertson]

Have you ever spotted McDonald's hot crispy fries right as they're being scooped into the carton? And time just stands still?

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Zach Dasher]

We got one of the biggest Christian podcasts out there.

[Jase Robertson]

Who does?

[Zach Dasher]

We do.

[Al Robertson]

Us.

[Zach Dasher]

It's a big. It's a big podcast.

[Al Robertson]

This is a taste. If you hadn't figured it out, we're kind of a big deal.

[Zach Dasher]

Kind of a big deal. I mean, it's a niche market, but we. But we're a big fish in a small pond.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't.

[Al Robertson]

And it's because of Unashamed Nation. That's why. Welcome, by the way. We're rolling now. So, Zach, you were just giving us your travel plan. So where are you headed and what are you doing?

[Zach Dasher]

I'm going to a little town that we like to call Portland, Oregon.

[Al Robertson]

Spiritual oasis.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I'm actually going to a conference on the Holy Spirit. And Jase, you'll never believe who is going to be one of the keynote speakers.

[Jase Robertson]

Tommy Lasorda.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay, you are going to guess, but you'll never guess right is probably what I should have said.

[Jase Robertson]

Al's wearing Dodger stuff.

[Al Robertson]

I got a lot of Dodger blue today.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, that he's polluted with the. Like he's polluted the American flag with his Dodgers paraphernalia back there. Which.

[Al Robertson]

That. That was a gift from my children because they were excited for me because my beloved Dodgers won the World Series this year.

[Zach Dasher]

So how are you fan? I don't. I don't know how that.

[Al Robertson]

I have been a Dodge. So I was speaking of time in la, sort of. Jay's brought him up as a joke. He. When I first. He first got hired in the mid-70s for the Dodgers. It was. I was just coming of sports age. Jace was still just a youngster. He hadn't gotten there yet. And I was about 10 years or 11 years old. And you know, all we had out at mom and dad's was three channels. And so I got to watch Saturday baseball, Major League Baseball. And so it was either the Yankees, the Dodgers or the Red Sox. That's. That's the only teams.

[Zach Dasher]

No, not the Braves.

[Al Robertson]

Like so where I live back in those days. This too early. Zach, you get that that comes along with the 80s and 90s.

[Jase Robertson]

TBS there.

[Al Robertson]

TBS and WGN, the Cubs highlighting my age.

[Zach Dasher]

I grew up. The only show in town was the Braves. And if you grew up in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, anywhere in the Southeast, you. I think I thought it was against.

[Al Robertson]

The law to not which the TBS Made the Braves what they are, no doubt.

[Jase Robertson]

You're. You're younger than me. Even though you're bigger, you're younger.

[Zach Dasher]

Hey, easy, Tiger, easy. The weight comments are starting to sting a little bit. Jason.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I'm just saying, everybody, every time people come up masking stuff, they're like. They keep talking about my older brother. I'm like, al. And they're like, no, Willie. I was like, no. I know this is a hard concept to get past. Even though he's bigger, I'm older. I'm the big brother. In spite me being smaller, I got you than my younger brother. I was just bringing that up. So.

[Al Robertson]

So I. So during the 70s, I had to make a choice out of those teams, and they had just hired a new manager. I love Lasorda. He's funny. And so I just became a Dodger fan. And so I started watching them and Jace and Willie both, I guess, because their older brother was a Dodger fan. But they were Dodger fans when they were kids because I had posters up and was always, I remember the Cowboys.

[Zach Dasher]

Are you a Dodgers fan, Jace?

[Al Robertson]

He was.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I was. Then when I started meeting famous Major League Baseball players, everything changed. Because then I just started, like, supporting people who follow Jesus, who played Major League Baseball. And. And a lot of the people I met who I was fans of when I met them, well, I no longer became a fan because of obvious decisions that they had made. And, you know, I thought, I can't support this guy.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, I mean, it just.

[Zach Dasher]

So now you don't have a team. You just have players kind of like fantasy sports. You. You just root for the player.

[Jase Robertson]

No, this is real. This is real. These people are real, and I support them. If you love Jesus and you're on a Major League Baseball stage and you're. You know, when you hear those little. Yeah, I love those little statements like, you know, somebody wins a World Series, or they, you know, they win the national Championship, they're like, well, first of all. Because they'll say, well, what were you thinking when you caught that touchdown pass? And they said, well, first of all, I just want to say, all honor and glory goes to my Lord Jesus Christ. I love that.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I'm like, okay, I like this guy. I don't care if my team lost or not. You know.

[Zach Dasher]

So has that translated over in college football? Have you or you. Is it all LSU and college.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I'm all LSU and my friend Tim Tebow, and I don't use that term lightly, my friend Tim Tebow helped me with that because the first time he was at my house he was like jace these. When I played at lsu, those were the worst anti godly fans that. I mean he just like took the gloves off and I said, well, now you see why I'm here.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, he played at a Christian school so it was probably hard for him.

[Jase Robertson]

No, he wasn't. I said, you're trying to tell me that that wasn't going on at the University of Florida? And he said, okay Jays, it was. I'm just saying these people, they got my phone number.

[Zach Dasher]

I was like, I'm just saying. If you look back at the last two Heisman Trophy winners at the University of Florida, they're both out very outspoken Christians. Tim Tebow. And you guys know who the other one is?

[Al Robertson]

Danny Warfel.

[Zach Dasher]

Danny Warfel, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

That's something to be proud of.

[Al Robertson]

Zach.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm not making light of that.

[Zach Dasher]

It's just how we. I mean that's.

[Al Robertson]

Oh, by the way, that was 30 years ago when you had two guys. We just had two guys in the last five years.

[Zach Dasher]

We gotta. It's all now. Plus we're basketball school anyways. Everybody knows that.

[Al Robertson]

But you are now.

[Jase Robertson]

I told Tebow, I was like, look though the greatest storytellers in our nation are from Louisiana. So if you get these people hooked on Jesus, hey, think of the possibilities, okay? And. And one other thing, Al. I really became. I was a casual Dodger fan when we were kids because you were all eating up with it and that was all we watched. But I will say this. When Kirk Gibson hit that home run in the World Series against Oakland, because that became a spiritual moment. Also because the Vin Scully had the famous line because. And if you don't know the history of that, I don't really want to go through it because where were you? But I mean he had won it back in the World Series. They should make a movie about this one because he was injured his leg. Now if you listen to it, it was like, you know, the leg was non functional. I mean it's like it was a miracle that he just walked up there.

[Al Robertson]

He had said Jace, he. He won the MVP that year for the National League. But he never played in. In the prior series or. Or after this. One at bats. Yeah, one at bat for the whole postseason.

[Jase Robertson]

One at bat against Dennis Eckersley who was at that top closer, unhittable and all this. So. And it was like didn't even look like he swung that hard, you know, and just ball goes out and then Vin Scully famously said, the impossible has happened, which then I took note because I don't like any advertisement who uses godlike qualities or play by play commentary because, well, it wasn't impossible because he did it. This goes back into the series of movies that Tom Cruise did about Mission Impossible, and then he does it. So what does that mean?

[Zach Dasher]

That it's possible?

[Jase Robertson]

No, it's a lie.

[Zach Dasher]

You ever wake up, you look at your kids, kids, you think, man, this thing is moving quick.

[Al Robertson]

I think of it like dad used to always say, the resurrection is looming larger every day. Zach, that's true.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

The name of the movie is a lie. You call it Mission Impossible. You know why? Because we're all fascinated with doing the impossible. But we have Luke 1:37. I mean, Jesus did things that were impossible. When you're dead and then you're eating fish three days later. Okay, that was when the impossible.

[Zach Dasher]

That's Mission Impossible.

[Jase Robertson]

That was Mission Impossible that happened.

[Al Robertson]

You misquoted his line a little bit. His actual line was the improbable has become the impossible.

[Jase Robertson]

That was the way he said the impossible has happened.

[Al Robertson]

Now he said the improbable has become the impossible. Check it out. Unashamed Nation.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm going to have to look this up. I'm pretty sure he said the impossible has happened.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, you just ruined one of Jason's. He's had that in his like speech box for.

[Al Robertson]

I could be wrong.

[Zach Dasher]

You just. Well, let me tell you why you're looking that up. Who is coming? Because.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, I was supposed to say Zach. Because this whole rabbit hole that we just went down, thanks to Jace.

[Jase Robertson]

All right, we're both right. We're both right.

[Al Robertson]

Okay. We're both right. I like that.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, we're both.

[Al Robertson]

The line.

[Jase Robertson]

The line was in a year that has been so improbable. Okay, that's the impossible has happen.

[Al Robertson]

There you go. There you go.

[Jase Robertson]

So that makes more sense.

[Zach Dasher]

Wow, that's pretty good memory on Yalls part, I have to admit.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I'm saying when he said that I was like I actually hit my head on the ceiling fan. My mom was there. It was like midnight because they're playing over weird hours in California.

[Al Robertson]

You know what's funny Jays is I missed it. You know where I was that night? It was a Saturday night. I was in Tiger Stadium watching the LSU football game and missed that game. But we had had a brand new thing that was about weighed about 50 pounds that I just bought sitting on top of my television called a vcr. And I had just gotten it and then with first thing I ever recorded on my VCR was that game. So I was able.

[Jase Robertson]

You can just look it up on the Internet?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. You call that a core memory? That's a core memory, Al.

[Al Robertson]

It's a core memory.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, here's what's funny. Well, here's what's funny. What the impossible that happened was when I tried to jump without the adrenaline I could not. My head wouldn't reach the ceiling.

[Zach Dasher]

So really you jumped out of adrenaline, hit the ceiling fan. You tried again when the nerves had calmed down and how high did you get?

[Jase Robertson]

It wasn't possible.

[Al Robertson]

It was impossible. It was, but it wasn't impossible.

[Jase Robertson]

It was my first miracle. That's a joke. But tell us who's.

[Al Robertson]

Tell us who's going to be still.

[Zach Dasher]

It just feels so anti climatic.

[Jase Robertson]

Well let me. Well, let me give you something, Al. If you're going to be a Dodger fan, you need to do that. Needs to become your mission field. I'm going to take lsu. You need to. Because I'm just watching some picture. I don't watch the news with the sound on but it just looks like there's something going on in LA that needs. Jesus.

[Al Robertson]

Oh man.

[Jase Robertson]

That's all I'm going to say.

[Al Robertson]

You're. You're right. I have a very big mission field there.

[Jase Robertson]

They were protesting something but I didn't have the sound on so I don't know what.

[Al Robertson]

They were Immigration now but they, they almost lost me two years ago when they got into some things that I just, you know, they caved into.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what I found fascinating is they had a. They were. Had water hoses out there because somebody burned the flag and I was like I don't know if I'd be wasting that water.

[Al Robertson]

You know, somebody said. Somebody said why are they setting fires to things in la? And they, you know, that's not.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, exactly. You're setting fires. I mean, I don't know. So you need to take that.

[Al Robertson]

All right. I'm gonna work on that.

[Zach Dasher]

Jace.

[Al Robertson]

My new mission film. All right. Zach. Who's gonna be important?

[Zach Dasher]

I mean it really is. And at this point it's. I mean we've. We've gone so far.

[Al Robertson]

You just not want to tell us.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I mean it's going to be nt right. Which, which Jace mentions on the podcast a lot of. I'm anxious.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, you do taste.

[Zach Dasher]

So we see if you can get.

[Jase Robertson]

Him on the podcast. I wouldn't mind listening.

[Al Robertson]

I mean we quote him all the time. I would love.

[Jase Robertson]

He may just. I mean he's. Where's he from? England. Scotland.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, England.

[Jase Robertson]

And he may look at. I don't know if he can get past the COVID Yeah, we'll see.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean I'm gonna.

[Jase Robertson]

The COVID of the podcast.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh yeah. Yeah. We. Yeah, he may. He may not. You know, I don't know what he'll say, but I definitely will ask him.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. See if he will. I would, I'd like to.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, we do have. But to be fair, I mean, we do probably have the largest online Bible study in the world, if you think about it.

[Jase Robertson]

Come on.

[Al Robertson]

I don't, I don't know.

[Zach Dasher]

There's.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't believe you.

[Zach Dasher]

I don't know. What, what. Maybe these I don't know about the Bible in a year thing. That's pretty big that the, the Catholics do. There's another one, the Bible recaps, pretty big. So that's. I guess that's. Those are probably bigger.

[Al Robertson]

But you said one of the biggest, though.

[Zach Dasher]

We are biggest. This is one of the big. One of the biggest Bible studies in the world, which is kind of crazy to think about. I just came up with that. It's pretty good.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, are we actually going to study the Bible then today?

[Al Robertson]

I think we should.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm like, hey, you waiting on me? You backing up? I mean, I've been trying to get into John chapter two, which, I mean, my goodness, we're not getting there today. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's going. I mean, we are, we are inching our way through.

[Al Robertson]

All right, so let me, let me bring us back to speed. So we, we left off with John the Baptist and his.

[Jase Robertson]

I have an objection though, Al. My objection is the reason we're taking so long to go through John one is because John did that. He kind of gave an overview of everything you're fixed to get into in kind of portrait conversation sign settings. So if you don't get the big picture, he gives you the big picture. First you're like, you read chapter one, you're like, whoa. Then you're like, oh, what does that mean in real life? Well, he puts those principles and fulfillments of Jesus in these real life conversation setting signs. I think it's one of the, if not the greatest literary portraits that can be read. Whether you believe or not, it is absolutely fantastic.

[Al Robertson]

It's actually, if you had one thing to give people to read to try and understand this thing about Jesus, it's the best book to give them. And to your point, Jace, the other gospels are structured where they just tell the story from birth. Going forward, Mark's a little bit different because it's condensed. But you're right, John goes at it a completely different way. And we do too when we study it. So that's one of the reasons why we've Taken this.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. It is my invitation where I speak. Just. I hate to give you a spoiler alert because I have a lot of events coming up. This is the invitation is go read the book of John and say, who is Jesus?

[Al Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Because whatever. That conclusion that you make will affect whatever you do the rest of your life.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, it's just, it's profound. It's the way it's written. You want to know what God's like? Here it is. Jesus revealed the almighty God in human form.

[Al Robertson]

So, so in the first chapter, John now who has kind of just laid out this big picture in the prologue and in the description of John the Baptist. And now he's going to get into the calling of the, of the 12, the, the beginning of it. So now it begins to kind of pick up with what's going on in the life of Jesus. And it's interesting because John the Baptist is his, you know, a transitional figure. I mean he, his role was to come here and point to Jesus where Jesus gets baptized by John. And all of a sudden this trans, you know, major happening happens with the, with your transfigure happening with the spirit coming down. The voice of, you know, God said, this is my son. And so now John the Baptist realized it's time for me to fade into the background because he said, all on. There's one who's coming that I'm unworthy to even, you know, tie his sandals up. So we're at that moment.

[Zach Dasher]

I want to tell you about our friends at the Tomorrow Club. So these guys are amazing. You know, the Great Commission is very clear that we are called to go make disciples in the nations. That's exactly what these guys are doing right now. I want to tell you a little about something that's going on in Delphi, South Africa. It's a community struggling under the weight of extreme violence. And while poverty is visible there, there's this constant gang warfare devastating impact that really define the life in this small, troubled area. Boys are recruited into the gangs. The girls are recruited into prostitution at a very young age. And that's where our friends Tomorrow clubs come in. They are offering hope in this area. I want to tell you about a guy named Muhammad. His own story is nothing short of a miracle. He was once a gang member himself. He spent several years in prison before he had a life changing experience with Jesus Christ, who we all serv. Serve, obviously. And in that decision he made a radical transformation. And now he serves in this area of ministry. There are a lot of students there, a lot of children there. And he's partnering with the Tomorrow Clubs to bring these discipleship programs into the area. And that's why we're asking for your help. We are wanting to really partner with this ministry because they're working in all of these underserved areas. The Tomorrow Clubs have helped over half a million children learn to follow Jesus through discipleship programs in their Tomorrow Club. It doesn't stop there. We want to continue to have generational impact with our new partner, the Tomorrow Clubs. You guys can be a part of that with us. For only $30 a month, you can provide Christ centered discipleship to 30 children in an underserved community like Delphi, South Africa. And the way you do that is you go visit TomorrowClubs.org Unashamed to become a Tomorrow Clubs Ministry partner. That's TomorrowClubs.org UnashaMed. And when you give, remember that all of your gifts are tax deductible. So we are asking for your help. We want to impact these areas. Would you please join us in partnering with the Tomorrow Clubs ministry to help children across the world?

[Al Robertson]

What's interesting is, and we kind of just went through this in the last presidential election when a transitional figure is still around, it's a little bit awkward. And so John the Baptist has now faded to the back, but he's still around. And he's got his disciples and he's got his ministry set up and he's got all this stuff, but he's got Jesus now, the Lamb of God who's on the scene. And so I think it's interesting as we transition to verse 35, that the very first disciples were actually John the Baptist disciples, the first two. And so let me read this. And then, Jason, I want you to get into this. And we probably won't get very far today, but because you brought this up a long time ago, and I was fascinated by your observation because I thought it was really good. Something I'd never thought about before, about how this goes down with these two fellas, how Jesus did this. So verse 35 says, and this is right after John the Baptist had testified about what he saw with Jesus. And it says that, you know, he's not the lie of the world. Jesus is the lie of the world. He testifies. The next day, John was there again. So now we're picking up the narrative with two of his disciples. So these are two of his guys. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, look, the Lamb of God. He's already said that. Before, but he says it again. He's wanting everybody to know this is the guy. When the two disciples, these are his disciples, heard him say this, they followed Jesus. Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, what do you want? They said, rabbi, which means teacher, where are you staying? Come, he replied, and you will see. So they went and saw where he was staying and spent that day with him. It was about the 10th hour, which is about 4 in the afternoon. Andrew, Simon, Peter's brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, we have found the Messiah, that is the Christ. And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him talking about now Simon, and he said, you are Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas, which translated is Peter. And so these going to go on and do some more. But I wanted to start out with these first two days because you had brought up an interesting point about the way Jesus went about it.

[Jase Robertson]

So it's very interesting that just as a trivial thing, you're like, well, who were these two disciples? Well, one of them was actually Peter, the other one is not named. And I went down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the deal is here.

[Al Robertson]

I did too.

[Jase Robertson]

Guess what? NT Wright things I know, yeah, he thinks that this is John because John, of course he, he somehow figured out that he would been real young here talking about teenagers. And so you're going to see that come up more like when he uses the phrase the disciple whom Jesus loved as in reference to himself.

[Al Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't know why I laugh every time I read that because I'm like, I think that's funny.

[Al Robertson]

Well, he talks about him, you're right, he talks about himself in the third person throughout the book. And so that's one of the reasons why I think NT Wright. But, but by the way, Jesse, he's not the only one because I looked up several scholars and the two that I read along with N.T. wright when I'm studying this particular book all said they think it was John. And I had never, I had never thought that I had never heard that before. And so I found that really interesting. If that's true and I don't know that it is or isn't, it's interesting.

[Zach Dasher]

I think in this too, you see, you see it in the demeanor of John the Baptist already. Like he obviously recognizes he's not the main character in the story. I mean, he recognizes that. And even having the disciples stand There and having, like, he's okay if his disciples go and follow Jesus because he's like, I'm not the main character in this. I think this is. It's kind of interesting that you look at his. How he acts and then how sometimes we act in our own ministry. How often do we put ourselves as the main character? And like, we're trying to hoard our influence. And we're like, we are forgetting the whole point. We forget sometimes the whole point of this thing is not us, but it's Jesus. He is the main character. He is the central figure in whatever's happening here. And you see that later, even when Paul was talking about, you know, I'm glad I didn't baptize any of you guys. Yeah, I mean, this is because you weren't baptized because of me. I'm not the central character here. Jesus is. You can see that happening here in this text here. How John operates.

[Jase Robertson]

I've said many times and have gotten resistance on it that Jesus is what the Bible is about. You know, the Old Testament, Genesis to Malachi, he's coming. The Son of man is coming. You remember Daniel, Daniel 7. And he's going to give a little reference to that there in verse 51 when it says, you'll see the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. But they would have been familiar with that phrase. Just like, what got their attention was this John the Baptist saying, look, the Lamb of God. Well, Lamb, when you hear the word Lamb to us, I don't know what you think, not a lot in our culture. But for them, the lambs were part of sacrifices and the system and all that. And it's like, well, here's the Lamb of God. And of course they're all looking for the Messiah because Genesis to Malachi says, I'm coming. There's a Messiah coming. So then you have Matthew to John. Well, he's here. We just read it. John 1:14. The word became flesh, made his dwelling among us. Then Acts, revelation is kind of what happens next. You know, this Lamb of God post resurrection goes to the right hand of God for us. He opened up this presence of God to humans because he's made them clean through the cross. And he showed them there's a way to live even though you die. I mean, that's kind of where we're at in this situation. But the reason I said say that is it's about Jesus. And you say, well, why would somebody resist against that? Because they're like, well, there's a lot More in the Bible. But my whole point is kind of what Zach is saying is that Jesus is the light. I mean, he's going to specifically say that in chapter eight. But we've already read that it says the light.

[Al Robertson]

Chapter one.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Where does it say the light shines? In the dark? In the starts in verse four and five.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

That life was the light of men. Well, so you have this already contrast introduced by John, that there's darkness and there's light. You're like, well, that's just an illustration. No, Jesus is going to turn the light switch on. So the reason it has to be about Jesus is because once the light comes on in Jesus, well then everything else becomes understandable.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

If you don't have the light Jesus as the center, well, then you're going to be confused about whatever else you.

[Zach Dasher]

Want to talk about.

[Al Robertson]

So, Zach, it's 2025 and I have decided that I'm finally going to get after that. That weight loss that I've been trying to do for the last year is at the top of my list. It's happening. Are you excited about it?

[Zach Dasher]

You look a lot better. You look a lot less swollen.

[Al Robertson]

Yes. You know, you know, they used to say you get swole up like it was a good thing, but for me it's hadn't been too good.

[Zach Dasher]

Now you look like you've been unbe stung. Unbe stung.

[Al Robertson]

So our good friends at Ph.D. weight Loss are helping me because now I got some help this time. That was the difference. I was trying to do it alone. Dr. Ashley Lucas Zach, who you and I talked to, she said something very simple right off the bat. She said 80% of dropping fat comes from what you eat. And so obviously it makes a big difference. She's a registered dietitian. She's got a PhD in sports nutrition chronic disease. And she has a passion for helping folks. She is definitely helping me. They're going to connect you with a person that will help you. Mine is a lady named Rachel, who's now becoming one of my best friends because she helps hold me accountable. I've been going for a little over a month. I've lost about £18. What I love about it is there's no gimmicks, there's no pills, there's no shots, there's no side effects because the current weight loss stuff everywhere else has a lot of that going on. And so I love it. It's just eating better. They provide 80% of the food, which is really good and I enjoy it. So I highly Recommend it. You might already think about Zach. I mean, I know you don't have as much to lose as me, but, you know, a few pounds might be good.

[Zach Dasher]

You know what sold me though, if I do it is when you, you said this four days in. I asked you how it was going. You said, you know what? Weirdly enough, I'm never hungry.

[Al Robertson]

That's it.

[Zach Dasher]

And that was me.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, it's a high protein diet. It's really good. So. And I look unashamed nation. I know there's some of you out there that have been wanting to do something. I'm telling you, listen to Al. This is the thing to try. Join me on the weight loss journey. Schedule your one on one consultation today by calling 864-644-1900 or you can visit that's 864-644-1900. Tell them, Al Robertson sent you.

[Jase Robertson]

And that, that's, that's really, you know, I, I said that one time. I, I didn't read it out of a book, but I was like, if you are disconnected from that, to use the quote from Colossians, you remember their problem. They're like, well, how do you forget Jesus? And he referred to him as being disconnected, the church from the head. Which is a nice way of saying you've been decapitated. Well, I don't know if you've ever. The only thing I've seen close to that is a chicken. Back when we used to eat chickens, owl that we had raised, now we got the eggs and all that. But if a rooster crossed anybody, he became supper. And my grandma, not my dad, she would get an ax and she had a little stunt. This is getting graphic as a warning. And I saw that as a kid. I was like, whoa, that was brutal. But you know what I found in making this illustration possible is that, you know, even the chicken without its head looked alive. It did flopping. It ran around the yard. It didn't have a head.

[Zach Dasher]

Thus the phrase, he's running around like a chicken with his head cut off. That's where it came from.

[Jase Robertson]

But I'm saying if you have a church doing that, there's a lot of churches that look alive and they're flopping around. But if you're disconnected from Jesus, the reason you're having all these theological problems is because you're not viewing that within that light, this is about Jesus. And that's going to bring out a lot of these other things.

[Zach Dasher]

And here's why it's got to be Jesus. Because when you look at what's happening here, you have two things that are, that we're being told are happening. One, the God has become flesh. In the beginning, it was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God and the Word became flesh. And here comes the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world. Those seem like two things that are different because the lamb was what they sacrificed during the Passover. But then God's here, the Lamb's here, and the point of Jesus is that he is both God and the Lamb.

[Al Robertson]

Well, and that's why transitional figures have to transition. I mentioned the presidential, and we had a guy that claimed he was the transitional figure. And when it came time for him to transition, he stayed. He wouldn't leave. And so this is what happens. John the Baptist understood that. And really, when you think about it, in a sense, we're all transitional figures to show people who Jesus is. I had a young man who called me last night because he's going through marriage problems. So someone gave him my number and says, this the guy you need to call. And so initially the conversation was about that was because he knew Lisa and I had been through a lot. And so he called me for advice. But it didn't take very long into our 45, 50 minute conversation where we transitioned about marriage into who's the Lord of your life? Because I knew that the only hope for him and everybody else and every marriage that's out there is an understanding of who Jesus is. In your own personal walk, if you don't transition to that, you're never going to come up with enough ways to fix your problems. And so in a sense, we're all transitional faith figure.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and look at the transition that happened to these teenagers. They went from fishermen, a tax collector, a zealot, you know, fill in the blank, to one day being the spokesman of heaven and God.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And given their lives, I mean, they became martyrs.

[Zach Dasher]

Quite the transition.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, what in the world is going on? And we're talking about it 2,000 years later. But I would say on that Revelation 5 also, you got to remember when I think lying, well, the power was the resurrection.

[Zach Dasher]

Yes.

[Jase Robertson]

Just the ultimate power with every kingdom that's ever been on the earth, was to have power and then to keep it. The problem is people die and that it's kind of hard to be powerful when you're dead because most people lose their influence once they're dead. And so you have the lion and the lamb. I mean, it kind of is the pivotal moment of what Jesus did as Representing God's character in that he cleans the humanity through sacrifice and becoming the lamb, the sacrifice. And then he shows you his power in that, which is the theme of the Bible. God wants to dwell with humans forever.

[Zach Dasher]

Yep.

[Al Robertson]

So I would say Jay's just to tie this off. If this was these people that were called by Jesus, it was improbable. They made it the impossible and they became sons and voices, pieces, you know, for the almighty God.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, exactly.

[Al Robertson]

Who else could ever say that?

[Jase Robertson]

What we'll deal with on the next podcast is that study. I said that I did before in a previous podcast, and it just hit me one day. But his first words, the first red letters in John is a simple question, because they're following that they did not answer. But that question is so profound. When you start thinking about what exactly it means. And when you think of do you representing the character of God, you would think he would say, all right, guys, I'm from heaven. Get you a notebook out, write this down. Here's what you need to do. But his first words were, what do you want?

[Al Robertson]

I like it.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is a good question for every human to ask themselves.

[Al Robertson]

I love it. So we're going to leave that hanging. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we've got a very special guest that's going to be our last segment today, so we'll introduce her when we get back down to shame.

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[Al Robertson]

As you know, I've been talking about my new weight loss journey. And so as part of our sponsorship, we got a new sponsor, PhD Weight loss. And as part of that sponsorship, we wanted to invite the true expert, Dr. Ashley Lucas, that has founded this amazing program that has changed my life. And we want to have her here to talk a little bit about nutrition, to talk about the things and the reasons why that she started this fantastic group. So, Ashley, welcome to the Unashamed podcast.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

Thanks, guys, for having me.

[Zach Dasher]

She happens to live in Asheville, so it's like a weird connection. And her kids go to school at the same school that my kids went to. So it's kind of a small world.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's a really nice way of saying that y'all bumped into each other. And she said, I think I can.

[Zach Dasher]

Help you, Jason, just to give you the setup. Jace has been very vocal about chastising me and Al for our weight distribution.

[Al Robertson]

And thank you, Zach, for including yourself in into my obesity doc.

[Jase Robertson]

That is completely false. There's been no chastisement. There's been no making fun. I just simply pointed out what anyone would with. I don't even think you have to be 2020. Just if you can see a general picture. I'm just so.

[Zach Dasher]

He did shame us. And so what I did was at the end of last year, I was like, I'm gonna go find a sponsor or someone that we can. A program that would work for. For Al. And then I got connected with you guys. So it's awesome that now we're doing this thing. Now you're.

[Al Robertson]

You're in it, you know, and I've been talking about it, Ashley. So I want you to tell the audience, because I've been telling everybody about my experiences and just kind of the way you guys go about it. And when we had the initial. I want to say this before I ask you, but we had the initial conversation with you about the program. Obviously, I was taking notes because this was primarily going to be, you know, about me. And you explained things so well. I mean, I've been a part of a lot of different diets through the years. I've done different things to try to lose. And sometimes I have even lost weight. But I never really understood the science behind it, the. The human body kind of how it functions. And you did that. And so I want you to talk a little bit about that to the audience, because you're so good at explaining that. I watch a couple of videos from you every week because you don't just leave people out there that are in the program. You're giving us things we can use going along, which is another great thing, a feature about this. This particular product with PhD. So tell our audience kind of what got you into it. And then kind of the. A little bit of, you know, the explanation about what people can do to begin to lose weight, especially men. Our audience is. Is more men than women. And we get a little bit older and. And, you know, things start to happen.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

Yeah, the body changes, for sure. So I think I was explaining to you, Al, about the belly Fat and how the belly fat works against us. So my story, I was a professional ballet dancer. I was. I know, Jace. I was back in the day. I saw that face.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, that was a surprise face. You saw that, Ashley.

[Jase Robertson]

I was just like, wow, what? We come from two different worlds.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

We do, yeah. And I always fought my body. I was never at the body weight that I needed to be to get the roles that I wanted. I went to boarding school for it. I had a fairly successful career just because I'm so disciplined and I had a passion around it. But I was told that I was fat no matter what I did. I counted calories, I avoided red meat, I exercised after my eight hour day of dancing and still was too fat for the sport. And I stepped away from dancing in my mid-20s. I landed in the ER. I was chosen to go perform in New York City. You know, every dancer's dream. And when I was up there, I thought I was having a heart attack. I had no idea what was going on. So I. They carted me off to the ER and told me that I was underfed and over exercised and I just came do it anymore. And to me, that was 20 plus years of struggle and sacrifice. It was my identity. It was like Michael Phelps being ready to swim at the Olympics and being carted off to the ER saying, you can't swim again. So it was a huge deal for me. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, but I understood how significantly nutrition, I guess, impacted my own sport performance. So I decided I wanted to help other people so that they didn't have to have this chronic fighting against their body. And I believe that there was a way for us to be able to drop weight and be fit and not have to have a constant struggle around it or have to take medications or do crazy things. I knew there was a way to get our body back to its natural state and to operate the way that it was meant to do so. So I went on and earned my PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease. And I studied energy metabolism. I think 80% of any change comes from the mind. We have to focus on the mental, emotional, the habits, behaviors. And so I studied that. And then I went. After I finished my PhD, I thought, oh, I'm still not a true expert in the field of weight management. I need to become a registered dietitian. So I went back to school again to become a registered dietitian. But everything I learned there was so inaccurate. You know, they say, eat less, move more. Well, I did that didn't work, and I was disciplined. They said, don't eat red meat and eat 6 to 11 servings of grains a day. And it just made no sense to me. So I ended up flipping everything upside down that I learned during my dietetic internship. And I did exactly the opposite. Took my research and created the PhD approach. I changed my life. And to date, We've served over 10,000 people collectively. We've dropped over £466,000 nationwide. We ran reverse type 2, diabetes, chronic diseases. And I'm just so grateful for, you know, the struggles that I went through. I was listening to you guys speak before this and talking about, you know, our challenges and how they help to develop us into the people we are and find our gifts. And I truly believe that my gift is helping people heal and come back to their optimal level of health.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. As I heard you talk, I was like, well, no wonder you have become an expert in this, because all those struggles, which you quickly went through, I know that was really painful. You're wind up at the er. You think you can't do your dream, but it sounds a lot like, you know, what God does with all of us. He takes our weaknesses and our struggles and turns them into something powerful where we can help other people. So I'm in on that. I did want to say, I think it's very. Especially to our audience and I mean, who you're sitting with here, right here. Because Zach's kind of an intellectual. And when I saw this, I thought, well, this is perfect for Zach because he can say, look, I have a PhD in weight loss. In weight loss, Al, you can have a PhD.

[Zach Dasher]

I think we're leaning on someone else's PhD.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, but the marketing, hey, is clever. You're like, I did do it. I mean, it gives you something to aspire and who doesn't want to be smarter? But I do want to say I feel a little uncomfortable because it's like every time I say something, it's kind of like our computers now. You know, I'm talking to my wife about something, then you turn your computer on, and there's an ad to whatever we were just talking about. And so. Because last night, I'm going to have to have a confession, Doc. My niece, which is Al's daughter, brought me what we call in Louisiana a king cake, because it's Mardi Gras. And I destroyed that king cake last night. I ate half of a king cake. And I justified it because I thought this is representative of the king of kings. And they do put green on it because they have these little green and purple frosty flakes, like sequin.

[Zach Dasher]

They're like glitter. Glitter, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I haven't eaten since. But what are the ramifications? Because here I am, I'm in good shape. Just because, you know, either my metabolism is really high, but I, you know, I'm very active, and I'm not eating a king cake every night, but I did eat half of one last night.

[Al Robertson]

So this is now an intervention.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, it's like a. A cake. It's like a. It's like a circle pastry kind of cake that's filled with, traditionally cream cheese.

[Jase Robertson]

I get the cream cheese.

[Zach Dasher]

It's very good.

[Jase Robertson]

It is a Louisiana.

[Zach Dasher]

Once a year for Mardi Gras, they put a. They put a baby. Like, a little. It's kind of weird, but they put a little toy baby.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's a boy. It represents baby Jesus. And if you. If you find the baby, you have to buy the next king cake. It's a marketing scheme of, did you find the baby?

[Zach Dasher]

Did you find the half of it? You ate half the cake. You had 50% chance of finding the baby.

[Al Robertson]

He probably swallowed the baby when he was wolfing down half the cake.

[Jase Robertson]

Hey, it's actually quite dangerous, Al. I mean, there's a danger there.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I think. Here's the thing, though, Jason. This is in our first call that we had, because I sat in on Al's call. I think there is a point. You mentioned this in our call, like, with visceral fat, that it becomes almost like a. I think the way I said, it's like an organ, like, it feeds itself. And so you got to lose. There's like, a level you got to get to or you'll just continue to talk. Because that was, like, an interesting point.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

Yeah. So basically, our belly fat keeps us fat. So what happens in our lives, generally speaking, is we have these triggers, and they change the way that we tolerate our food. So for men, often a trigger is like something stressful, like a marriage or a relationship shift or a job change or we work with a lot of, like, ex collegiate athletes who are used to working out at a certain level and eating a lot of food. And then they stop that, and they're like, oh, my gosh, the weight is just packing on. So we have these changes, and we. If we continue to eat the way we did before, we then go through this trigger. And now this food starts to accumulate as fat on the body, and we think, what the heck's going on? I haven't done anything different. I haven't made a shift in my way of eating. It's not making sense. So what happens over time is we start to accumulate this belly fat. That's the visceral fat you were talking about. And this belly fat fills up the organs in our belly area, like our liver, our kidneys, all of them. But let's talk about the liver to the point where if we took a slice of your liver, if you're carrying this belly fat, it looks like a Kobe beefsteak, you know, the marbling and that thick white stuff around it. And over time, it grows its own blood vessels, it gets its own oxygen supply and starts to secrete its own hormones. And all it wants to do is get fatter as fast as possible. So your belly fat acts like a tumor almost. And all it wants to do is grow and get bigger. So it makes you have cravings and urges and slows your metabolism, and it makes you lazy because the last thing this thing wants to do is have you get up off the couch and go expend a ton of calories. So, Jace, you're in a total different metabolic situation than Al, than Zach. So, like, you can eat more than they can.

[Zach Dasher]

He's made that abundantly clear.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it sounds like to me that I'm not stressed. I just don't get stressed out. Yeah, I haven't been stressed in probably 30 years. I just don't. I just don't do this. I'm like, oh, well, basically, because he.

[Al Robertson]

Ignores most things and people.

[Zach Dasher]

So you. But when the. In the talk, Al, you had wrecked because you were in great shape until your 40s.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah. And that's what. That's one of the things that helped me. So. So actually I nicknamed my. My belly fat the beast.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Al Robertson]

Because I had never heard anybody describe it. It where it's almost like you were fighting against yourself. And, you know, we tend to view things through a spiritual lens on unashamedness. But I thought about that. That's exactly what happens at a spiritual level as well. You tend to fight your own mind over different things. And so it was the same thing here. I was fighting my own body. And so at one time, my metabolism, I was like, jace, I could pretty much eat what I wanted. I was in pretty good shape. I didn't even think about it. And yet all of a sudden it wasn't all of a sudden, but over the course of a decade, I just. This thing took over. And that's what I couldn't deal with. And so when you explained that to me, it definitely in my mind something snapped that I was like, okay, I got to deal with the beast. And then I approached it like I would a spiritual problem. I mean, we got to get after this. And that starts with mind, soul and body. And so that's exactly what's happened and what you guys provide. It's good food, but I have to say I feel better than I felt in a decade. And I'm only probably 25% into where I'm headed, so it's been fantastic for me. And I'm proud that not only that you guys are in my life, but also we get an opportunity to talk about with other people because it can be, it's life changing potentially.

[Jase Robertson]

So what is the plan? I mean, give us the plan overall as a yes.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

Well, so the first thing is we have to figure out where your unique body needs to be to get rid of the belly fat. Because if you only drop or lose a portion of this excess fat weight, it's just a matter of time until it eats its way back up again. It's like shaving the top off of a weed and leaving the root. It's just a matter of time until it comes back. So that's the first step, figuring out that sweet spot where the metabolism is more fast and efficient. Then we create a customized meal plan for each individual, guiding them on exactly what, when, how much to eat. It's super precise, super simple, and very specific. Most men drop about three to three and a half pounds a week on average. Most women about two to two and a half pounds a week. Following this plan, we provide a lot of the food at no additional cost. If people want to use it, they can. We ship it to you. No cost, it's just there as a tool. Because I find that when we have all of the meal planning on you right at the beginning and it's overwhelming, so I'm all into little baby steps to make something actually feasible. So breakfast, most of lunch, some of your snacks can come from us, but the dinner meal is your responsibility from the beginning because it's all about becoming self sufficient. And we do it one meal at a time. So practicing dinner and not eating the king cake for dinner. And then we go and we practice lunch and then breakfast. So by the time someone, someone fully collapses that excess fat weight, they understand what they're eating, why they're doing it. We do a lot of education because I do think it's important to understand why your body's working this way and what's happening and why we're having you eat because we do have you eat differently than what you've been told. We don't count calories. I look at exercise as a good wellness tool, but not a weight loss tool. So we are reframing your mindset about what you thought was right about nutrition and diet because it's completely different. And then the mindset piece. For a lot of people, weight loss is an addiction recovery process. So we can't just focus on what and when to eat. We also have to focus on you as a person and why you eat and the thoughts and the habits, all of these things. So every week we have one on one coaching to work through this and to tweak your meal plan so you see continued success. And then once we get the body where it needs to be, we enter into phase two, which is kind of like the, the lifestyle integration where we integrate everything you've learned and sustain the success that you've seen. So that.

[Al Robertson]

Well, it's, it's, it's working for me. And you guys here on Unashamed will get a chance to be a part of my journey. Maybe we can get Zach on board. We'll, we'll get to check his journey out as well. Dr. Ashley, thank you so much for coming on Unashamed. Just to explain it, it because we've started obviously, and supporting our podcast because, you know, we're, we're impacting a lot of people with spiritual wellness and so it's nice to be able to deal with the physical side as well. So thank you for coming on and thank you for supporting the Unashamed podcast.

[Dr. Ashley Lucas]

Oh yeah, my pleasure. Thanks so much, you guys.

[Al Robertson]

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