Ep 1042 | Jase Goes Wide-Eyed at Alternate Realities in the Bible & 2 Super Awkward Bible Misquotes

Summary

Episode Summary: Ep 1042 | Jase Goes Wide-Eyed at Alternate Realities in the Bible & 2 Super Awkward Bible Misquotes

Podcast Title: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Host: Tread Lively
Release Date: February 17, 2025

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Introduction to Alternate Realities and Bible Misquotes

In Episode 1042 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, host Jase Robertson delves into the intriguing concept of alternate realities within the Bible and shares two notable instances of awkward Bible misquotations. The discussion sets the stage for a deeper exploration of biblical texts and their accurate interpretations.

Notable Quote:

Jase Robertson [00:21]: "We’re finally getting back to our study today in the book of John and Jason."

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Bible Misquotes and Their Consequences

Jase shares personal anecdotes highlighting the importance of accurate Bible quotations. He recounts an incident where he intended to reference Luke 7:47 for his book Desperate Forgiveness but mistakenly cited John 7:47. This error led to confusion and unintended messages among his audience.

Notable Quotes:

Jase Robertson [01:43]: "John 7:47, he has deceived you as well, which was so funny."
Phil Robertson [02:29]: "You got to be prepared when you go in. You need to know what you’re writing down."

Additionally, Jase discusses another misquote involving John 4:18 at a wedding, where the intended verse was incorrectly read, causing bewilderment among the attendees.

Notable Quote:

Zach Dasher [03:18]: "John 4:18 says, the fact is you've had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have said is quite true."

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Expository vs. Exegetical Preaching

The conversation shifts to the styles of preaching, distinguishing between expository and exegetical approaches. Phil emphasizes the value of both methods, highlighting the importance of maintaining the "big picture" while delving into textual analysis.

Notable Quotes:

Phil Robertson [05:18]: "We preach expositorily, but we also will take time... it's about a person, so maybe there's some truth in there."
Zach Dasher [05:22]: "It's called exegetical preaching."

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Calling of the First Disciples

Jase and Zach explore the biblical narrative of Jesus calling his first disciples, analyzing the interactions in the Book of John. They discuss how the disciples responded to Jesus' invitation and the significance of naming conventions, particularly Peter's transformation from Simon to Cephas (Peter).

Notable Quotes:

Jase Robertson [13:28]: "What does it say?... the main thing is that he was called Cephas, which means rock."
Zach Dasher [13:42]: "It's fascinating because when you look at how this is going to work moving forward."

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Vocation and Transformation into Jesus' Image

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to understanding Christian vocation as a transformation into the image of Christ. The hosts discuss how true vocation involves reflecting Jesus' character and actions in daily life, moving beyond mere rule-following to embodying His teachings.

Notable Quotes:

Jase Robertson [06:58]: "Keep the main thing, because you can get lost in the weeds of a text."
Zach Dasher [28:27]: "Jesus is contagious... reflecting Jesus. We're God's ambassadors."

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Understanding Jesus' Ministry and Messaging

The hosts delve into the nature of Jesus' ministry, emphasizing His approach to teaching and interaction. They highlight Jesus' ability to convey profound truths with simplicity and openness, making His message accessible and impactful.

Notable Quotes:

Phil Robertson [30:36]: "He never says, I wish I would have said."
Zach Dasher [34:18]: "Jesus never sinned. So you're never gonna catch him."

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The Impact of Proximity to Jesus

Jase and Zach discuss how proximity to Jesus changes individuals, leading to transformation and a desire to share His message. They draw parallels between biblical accounts and personal experiences, illustrating how close interactions with Jesus inspire discipleship and evangelism.

Notable Quotes:

Phil Robertson [17:10]: "They spent that day with him, something happened during that day."
Zach Dasher [43:20]: "Jesus is contagious because he is our righteousness. He is our wisdom."

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Conclusion and Reflections

The episode concludes with reflections on the nature of faith, the importance of accurate biblical interpretation, and the transformative power of following Jesus. The hosts encourage listeners to seek a deeper relationship with Christ, emphasizing that true understanding comes from genuine communion rather than superficial adherence to doctrines.

Notable Quotes:

Zach Dasher [48:30]: "Just looking at a human being who claiming to be God, the way he functioned really wowed me."
Phil Robertson [53:05]: "Heaven is here. It’s not like, way out there."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 1042 offers a rich and engaging exploration of biblical interpretation, the significance of accurate scripture use, and the profound impact of living out one's faith authentically. By sharing personal stories and theological insights, the Robertson family invites listeners to deepen their understanding of the Gospel and embrace their vocation as ambassadors of Christ.

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Transcript

[Phil Robertson]

Have you ever spotted McDonald's hot crispy fries right as they're being scooped into the carton?

[Jase Robertson]

And time just stands still?

[Zach Dasher]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jase Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're finally getting back to our study today in the book of John and Jason. It was funny because I was at an event recently and I was signing books. And so, you know, we've written a few different books and I've contributed to other ones. So I've always tried to come up with like a unique verse for every book. You know, the kind of. Whatever the verse is I write kind of fits the theme of the book, you know. And so, problem is, when you write several books, you sometimes forget what the verse is for the right book. So it causes me to have to think a second before I do it. And so I was telling this guy we were signing, we have a book called Desperate Forgiveness. And so I found this verse in Luke 7:47, where the woman is at Jesus feet and he looks at her, looks at Simon, who's judging her, the Pharisee. And he says to the one who has been forgiven much, they will love much. And so that's Luke 7:47. So that was what I was going to sign in the book, but when we first came out with a book, I was signing John 7:47, just, you know, one little. Yeah, well, I want you to look it up because it's. It has quite a different message than Luke 7:47. So what does it say? Does John 7:47, it says, you mean.

[Zach Dasher]

He has deceived you?

[Jase Robertson]

Also the Pharisee retorted, which, I don't know, retorted is even in the Bible anywhere with this verse. So I did it for several books and nobody ever said anything. I never heard back from anybody. And this book was new. And then finally, our old friend Bob DeMoss sent me a note and said, hey, congrats on your new book. And he said, what was the ref. What did you mean? The other reference In John 7:47, he has deceived you as well, which was so funny. And I was just laughing. I was like, oh, man. So I texted him back, I said, what do you think I meant by the.

[Phil Robertson]

So how many people. How many people got that?

[Jase Robertson]

Probably 300 people. So I'm sure someone. I'm sure someone.

[Phil Robertson]

They're just wrecked because they're thinking, what have I done?

[Jase Robertson]

Someone out there in understandation. But. But Alex sent me this. So this happened to someone else. This was someone who was asked to read a text at a Wedding. I thought it was appropriate since we're in the book of John. And the text this person was supposed to read is 1st John 4:18, which says, There is no fear in love, but perfect love cast out fear, for fear has to do with punishment. Whoever fears has not been perfected in love. And so that's the verse they were supposed to read. Well, what they actually read was John 4:18, which, again, had quite the different meaning. Jason, you want to read John 4:18, so not the perfect love. Instead. Read it, dude.

[Zach Dasher]

John 4:18 says, the fact is you've had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have said is quite true.

[Jase Robertson]

So that. That actually happened, and someone's wedding. Can you imagine, like, this person reading that text and everybody looking around each other thinking, what does that have to do.

[Zach Dasher]

It's kind of a sick joke.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm telling you this. These are things that actually happen.

[Phil Robertson]

You got to be. You got to be prepared when you go in. You know what I mean? You need to know what you're writing down.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I think the point is these numbers, they were created just so people could keep up with it. They were not written in this format.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, yeah. When John. When John wrote his letters, he didn't say, you know, I think I'll call this one First John. You know?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, it's like when Trump called, you know, Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, which a lot of people do that.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

They were like, oh, he. He's mispronouncing.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Because you say. I mean, I say second Corinthians, but I've heard a lot of preachers say two Corinthians.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

But I've noticed most of them are not from this country.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

So I don't know where to go with that. But the bottom line is it's about a person, so maybe there's some. Some truth in there. That's why I don't like margins. What? No, I don't like these sermons that just go.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

These sermon series that just. When people say, hey. We go text by text, verse by verse. But sometimes you miss the big picture.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Doing that.

[Phil Robertson]

It's called expository preaching. I like.

[Jase Robertson]

I.

[Phil Robertson]

We preach expositorily, but we also will take time. We will do, like, a series. Like, we were going through the Book of Mark, but then we took a break to go into who is God? So we had four weeks just on kind of like the doctrine of God. Who is God? Who is he? And I think it's helpful I think it's. Both are helpful.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, James, have a good time.

[Zach Dasher]

It's called exegetical preaching.

[Phil Robertson]

No, exegetical is to.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, here we go.

[Jase Robertson]

Battle of words.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, exegesis versus isegesis. Exegesis is. I'm pulling out of the text what the text says. ISO, Jesus. As I'm reading into the text, what.

[Zach Dasher]

I wanted to say, well, let's make a deal. Drop the ISO and the exa, and let's just talk about Jesus.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm ready. Y'all waiting on me.

[Jase Robertson]

You're back in school, Jazz. It was like, you got to watch some of these people that exit Jesus because they exit Jesus. That was the little.

[Phil Robertson]

Come on.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Lines that they used to use.

[Zach Dasher]

I think Zach, he was meaning that towards you.

[Jase Robertson]

It's like deductive versus inductive, which is. Inductive. Preaching is to try to gather meaning out of something, whereas, you know, the other way around is you're just taking what's in it, which, you know, we tend to do more.

[Zach Dasher]

It seems like to me it's paralysis through analysis.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, rhyming phrases.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, that is a. That is a threat. But you get the. You get the Gospel of John, though. Let's just say there's a lot of meat.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I do think it's important. It's the same way we've approached this study, and I'm trying to do the same thing in our Ephesians study at our church, is to continue to get up high and give the big picture and then go in to the text, because you got to keep. Jay's right about one thing. You got to keep the main thing. The main thing, because you can get lost in the weeds of a text, and I've seen people do that, and then start hopping around the Scriptures and come up with some really crazy stuff that was never intended in the original document.

[Zach Dasher]

Like, I'm pretty sure, you know, people would say the Roman road has brought a lot of people to Jesus, but when you kind of look at that, you're just kind of taking verses right out of the context of which they were written and combining them to make kind of a. A way to convince somebody you're out. There's a way in. But so I'm, you know, I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong in the short term, because a lot of people, they're like, well, that's how I came to Christ.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

The Romans road.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

And I'm like, well, but once you start studying more and getting into these were men were carried along by the Holy Spirit as they wrote. I mean, even in John's letter it seems to be very crafty in that he introduces all these big giant thoughts in the first chapter and then it starts breaking down into everyday practical conversations through the word becoming flesh. His name was Jesus, the Son of God, and he doesn't operate like you would think. I mean, like one of the questions I give in a Bible study is not some kind of trap on verses on what you believe. One of the things I'll say is, if you read one of the Gospels, does your life look like Jesus? Yeah, it's a very profound question. Usually the answer is no, or I haven't read the book in its entirety enough to really relate. Yeah, I think people are just looking at verses like, have I checked all the boxes?

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

And I'm fine.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I call it image bearing. This should happen to a person who knows Jesus well enough to trust him enough that he lives in you. You should begin to look like he's described. I mean, that should be the natural progression. And it's not about knowing more always. It's about knowing him better, which I now think is the whole point of the book of Ephesians, Ephesians 1:17, to know him better.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, the mystery of godliness is that Christ is in you. He says that in Colossians. What's that look like? Or 1st John 4. You mentioned that earlier. In this world we are like him.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Or First John 2, where he says whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. I mean, there's just, these are just coming off the top of my head. It's over and over and over and over.

[Jase Robertson]

And you're right, it really applies in any context. I had a young man call me last week and he'd have some marriage issues. And so we talked on the phone. I was just trying to encourage him when I get back to town this week and he's like, hey, could I sit down? You know, that really helped me. And so we sat down yesterday, talked another hour, and it wasn't like I had, you know, my Bible out or I was even giving him texts. I was just explaining what love looks like, because that's what Jesus is. And if you can apply that into any relationship, especially your marriage, these are things you'll start to see. But it's amazing how it just breaks down the walls. You're not giving somebody like a 10 point thing to a better marriage. You're just describing what it was. What would it look like if, if there were more love in your heart and marriage, what would be the results of it? But that, that's very impacting to people because it's achievable, you know, whereas other things you look at and say, I just don't know. He even said, he said, I've been trying to read the Bible and. As if just random reading is going to get you there. And I'm like, well, how's that working for you? He said, well, it's not. And I was like, well, let's talk about looking like Jesus and what that looks like. So I just think in any context of any situation, if you can get back to that, then you really start helping people see a way out of whatever it is that has them trapped. Noticed about getting older is how much more valuable sleep seems to be.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, it's very valuable. It's at the top of my list.

[Jase Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

Well, I think when he calls his first disciples, it's just not what we would think how it would go down, which is where we left off. You know, John the Baptist said, look, here's the Lamb of God. So he had obviously figured something out, even though it seems like he's questioning who Jesus is along the way.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Especially when that. When Jesus wanted to be baptized by him. Especially when John was in prison, he was like, go ask him if he's still the one.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Are you sure this is what we're supposed to be doing?

[Zach Dasher]

It reminds me of that song, you know, you're still the one. Are you still the one?

[Jase Robertson]

Right? Still the one.

[Zach Dasher]

So these two disciples who we've. I guess we've deemed Peter and maybe John.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, Andrew and John originally. And then Andrew went to tell people. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Andrew and John. Then they went. Got Peter.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

But all he says is. He turns around and says, what do you want? And they said, where are you staying? Where are you staying? Which did not answer. They didn't answer the question, which I think it goes to our basic humanity. We. We don't want to. We're embarrassed that we're like stalking and they're like, we want it. The answer should have been, we wanted to know if you are the Messiah.

[Jase Robertson]

Because that's what they'd heard.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And that's what John had told them. John the Baptist.

[Zach Dasher]

Normal human beings don't like confrontation or conflict. So they were a little deceitful.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, of course it.

[Zach Dasher]

So then it gets into this and.

[Jase Robertson]

We didn't talk about Jace, but it's interesting that they immediately called him Rabbi, which would have put him in a different category in terms of how they viewed people. I mean, they. And I don't know that we. This is the first time we see him call this. So I don't know if, like Jesus walk up until this point, if it's just his reputation or what, but, I mean, he certainly didn't come through the hierarchy of, you know, rabbitical teachings. I mean, they had schools. We know the school of Gamaliel that Paul went to. So he didn't go through any of those things. And yet simply, I'm assuming by the sheer force of his life and who he was and his reputation.

[Zach Dasher]

John the Baptist recommendation.

[Jase Robertson]

Right. And John's recommendation.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I think that's what that was.

[Phil Robertson]

A good endorsement that's quite the endorsement, right?

[Zach Dasher]

Because he's like most people. It's kind of like, you know, John the Baptist is making a name for himself. But then when people gathered around him, they were like, well, I'm not the guy, right? It's to kind of put it in a political environment. Here's a guy basically campaigning for someone else, right? Which is unheard of in politics.

[Jase Robertson]

And when they started trying to nail him down to make him the guy, he's like, nope, not the guy.

[Zach Dasher]

Not the guy.

[Jase Robertson]

Not the guy.

[Phil Robertson]

You know what's interesting about that, that question, though, when they ask when Jesus says, what do you want? My translation says, what are you seeking? If you, if you were to answer that question just on a fundamental kind of philosophical level of what, what are we all looking for?

[Jase Robertson]

Like, what.

[Phil Robertson]

What are we all seeking? What do we all want? The interesting thing about the answer to that question is we what we all want what they wanted, truly. And what we want is the same thing we really do want at our core to be with God. I mean, that's what we want wholeness, we want connection, we want intimacy. But that can only be had first with our Creator. So that the answer is that what they really wanted. If they would have known and could articulate, they would have said, we want we to live with us. So it's interesting that when he says, what do you want? They ask where he. Where do you live at? And then really the whole point of. Of John, his gospel is that. That John 14 passes. God's going to live with. In people now. So it's kind of funny. They asked that question in response to his question, what do you want? They said, well, where do you live? Yeah, and it's kind of funny how that plays out because eventually he's going to say, I live in you. Yeah, I live in you now.

[Jase Robertson]

Because he didn't really live anywhere. He just. He stayed some places, but he didn't really live anywhere.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, yeah, that's an interesting thought. Because when he. When he does say that in John 14, where it says, anyone who trusts me or obeys me, we will come and make our home. Yeah, my father will love him. This is. Was that 1423?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, 1423.

[Zach Dasher]

My father will love him and we will come to him and make our home with him, which he had started that whole chapter by saying, in my father's house or any rooms. Yeah, you know, I'm going to go. I'm going to go prepare a place for you. But then he also says in that Chapter I will come to you, like in the same vein of giving you the Holy Spirit.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Because we know the Holy Spirit and Jesus their one in the same, yet uniquely different.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So it's. I think that's the trouble the religious world has with all this because we're just not used to looking at something that way.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

It goes back to Genesis 1. You see the same thing. You have the Father ready to create. You have the Holy Spirit hovering, and then he starts speaking, and then things start happening.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Through that process, which. Think about the same thing that's going to happen here as far as new creation.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

In human beings.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

I think that question that Jesus asked is. Is not just an accident or random thought in there. He is getting to the core of all of it, which is desire. When he says, what are you seeking? Is what my translation says, what do you want? What do you desire? What do you. You know, what are you after? And you think. And just automatically what comes to mind. The verse is like, seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. And all these things, these other things, they'll all be added unto you. Or those who by persistence seek glory and immortality, there'll be eternal life. So there is like this whole, like, there's this. There's this kind of core to the, to humanity. Like, what does it mean to be human? I think Jesus in this question is getting. I mean, this is not just a random. I don't think this is a random, like, hey, what do you guys want? What are you up to? Nothing. He's. I think he's getting to an existential question here. What are you seeking? What are you really after?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And they don't even have a clue how to. They don't have a clue how to answer that.

[Zach Dasher]

Every one of my kids, when they became a teenager, this question came up. Not because I knew this is how John started, but it's like all of a sudden you see a bad attitude or you get intel of bad behavior, you sit down and you're like, what do you. What's the plan here? Yeah, I know you've been doing this and that. Then you go through that process. No, it wasn't me, you know. Oh, yeah, it was you. What are you trying to accomplish? What do you want here?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So then it forces the issue, why am I pursuing this when I know this is wrong? So it's a very good, good question. Now, in this case, I think he just was more like, why are you following me? But when they're like, well, where are you staying? Which I'm sure they were disappointed. Yeah, because he was homeless pretty much. I mean, later he would say, you want to follow me, but I don't even have a place to lay my hair. And then he says, come and you will see. So they went and saw where he was staying. But the key phrase is they spent that day with him. Now, something happened during that day because as the story continues, he gives the details. Andrew, Simon, Peter's brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. First thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, we have found the Messiah, that is the Christ. And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, you are Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas, which when translated is Peter, which means rock.

[Jase Robertson]

And I want to read all those Jakes because it's very interesting. Simon in Hebrew means to hear, because he's got different names here. Cephas in Aramaic means stone, which, like you said, means petros, which is in Greek, which means rock. So if you think about it, the names mentioned there for Peter, one who hears, one who is stone, one who is a rock. So that's what his name means now, as Jesus kind of brought him through the process. And that is interesting that that becomes Peter's life. You know, Luke 5 goes into the specifics of a conversation that happens, I'm assuming after this, when Peter gets in the boat with Jesus and they have the great catch of fish. And that's what seems to solidify him, to realize he's all in. But I just found it interesting that of these names that he has here, it started with one who hears. And it brought me back to what you said a minute ago about searching. Zach. There's a Greek word here, he riscoy, and it's used five times in our text today. And it's to locate by searching. And I think that's fascinating that.

[Zach Dasher]

So that's every time it says found.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Or yeah, like that's right. He said to Andrew, did was was to find his brother, that was to locate by searching. And that's five times that word is used in this one context. Sometimes it was Jesus and them, sometimes it was them and one another, sometimes it was them to Jesus, but every one of them was the case. And I've always had this. I tell people all the time because they're worried about somebody and they're like, man, I just. I don't know if they're going to come around. I was like, look, when people search, they will find. And the reason that I think they'll find is because when you're searching, Christ will find you. So the idea is that he's always looking for those who seek. You know, because you read those verses, seek and you will find. And so. But if you're not seeking, you're not going to find Him. Yeah, because you're not looking in the right place.

[Zach Dasher]

It gets back to, what do you want?

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

What are you seeking?

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Phil Robertson]

Jase, are you into Pure Talk?

[Zach Dasher]

I am. I think there's a Bible verse that says, do not let any impure talk come from your lips.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

O'Clock in the afternoon by the Jewish clock. So they probably spent the night there, I would guess.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, so they spent some time with him. And I think the lesson to learn there is when you're in the proximity, when you're in proximity to Jesus, things change because you see who he really is. Now granted. Did they fully understand that? Absolutely not. Because we know Peter ends up denying him at the crucifixion three times. So Peter had his issues, I mean, but on, but on some level, at whatever happened here, I, I tend to think probably what happened. Mainly because you look at like places like Luke 24, where Jesus would go to the Old Testament scriptures and he would show them from the text why the Christ had to be risen and all. He's used all this Old Testament stuff. I'd be curious to know what happened in that, in that conversation when they were with him for this, this day, when he went from rabbi to Messiah, I guarantee you he pulled out those Old Testament scriptures and started quoting them and made the connection for these guys. Hey, I'm the, yeah, I'm kind of the guy that you've Been waiting on.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, what I love about it, it seems to imply that when you understand a little bit more about who Jesus is, your first impulse and instinct is to tell someone else about is interesting to me. The first thing Andrew says, I got to get Peter in on this. And he goes to tell him. And I think because you get over to John 4 and a couple of chapters, we get there with the woman at the well, what happens the first time she really is convinced he is who he said it is, she is going back to town to tell everybody. It is just in the instinct.

[Zach Dasher]

That is what I think we missed in the religious world is a lot of what you read is about I keep that word vocation keeps coming in my mind, but it's what God had planned for us to do, to be. And that's why we're here now. I mean, we're representing Jesus. When you think of that second Corinthians 3 that we referred to last time, I mean it's like chapter three through six, it's all about God is leading us. We're reflecting Jesus. We're God's ambassadors. We don't view people from a worldly point of view. We're new creations. I mean it's just over and over. So I think here you're right. It naturally goes to this. It's like Jesus is contagious. Like we would view some kind of health problem, but contagious in a good way. Yeah, and I don't think he really, I mean you, you might, you say, well, he might have gone to the Old Testament scriptures. I just think, you know, when you meet somebody, I mean, it takes you about 10 seconds to get a feeling here and usually a minute you've already.

[Jase Robertson]

Formed an opinion and, and them of you.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, exactly. It's just like this guy, you know, I don't know. I mean, but just think about. We know Jesus never sinned. Hebrews 4 says in that 12 and 13. So you're never gonna, it's like the more you watch him, you never, you, you never catch him. There's been people who don't believe in God trying to read through.

[Phil Robertson]

He's perfect. He's the most intelligent person in the world. I mean, it's like you're seeing all this. He's the most humble person in the.

[Zach Dasher]

World and think of every situation imaginable, circumstance wise. And you're like, what is the best course of action?

[Phil Robertson]

And he's doing it well.

[Zach Dasher]

He always does the best course of action.

[Phil Robertson]

He never says, I wish I would have Said. Now, whatever he said was the thing you wish you would have said in the moment.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I haven't thought about it. His trips to the temple, because we know he went back for Passover, which was that time of year when they would go. But the only time we see him there, actually on site one time, he's 12 years old, he's having a discussion about God. And then the other time he comes in, he's flipping over tables and flipping out because of what's going on there. But what we never see in Scripture is him going in to offer a sacrifice.

[Phil Robertson]

That's true.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, in the times we read about him around the temple, he's not going there to offer sacrifices for himself. And.

[Phil Robertson]

And also, you see when he overturns the tables in the temple, at least in the second time he did. I think he did it twice because it's in.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

John 2.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. We're going to read about it next chapter.

[Phil Robertson]

It's also in Mark. Mark has an account, too. It's a little later on his ministry, but. But he kind of says the same thing. But Mark's account kind of narrows it down a little bit more. He says, you've taken my father's house. That was meant to be a place for the nations, everybody to come and worship. You turned it into a den of robbers. So we. We do see Jesus's intention and his anger. But I was thinking about, as you said, that word vocation. That's a. That's a great thought, Jace, because what we've done in evangelical church, at least how we all grew up, and. And I think this is a problem with kind of the evangelical movement of the last 50 years, is that we've been so set on. The word is soteriology. But it means just like our. Like our justification, our salvation.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

That we don't ask the question, what now? Okay, I get it. You're saved.

[Zach Dasher]

Great. Yeah. They read every passage in that vein. How do I check the box to be saved where I don't have any kind of consequences or I don't want to go to hell. But it's like as long as I check that box so I can get.

[Jase Robertson]

Back to living my life.

[Zach Dasher]

Then in the same vein, it's like there's nothing you can do to save yourself. You know? Know. So you're there like, okay, I got it. They're like, so what are you going to do now? Well, nothing. You know what I mean?

[Phil Robertson]

I can't ask that. You can't even ask that question. No. You say By Christ alone. Yeah, we all agree to that.

[Zach Dasher]

But when you read all the, yeah, you read all the verses about, you know, we were. God created us to do, you know, good works before the beginning of the world, that Ephesians 2, we're God's like, workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, things like that. You're like, well, what exactly does that mean? Or what does it mean to be God's ambassadors? As though God were making his appeal through us? 2 Corinthians 5. Well, I wanted to bring up one other just personality trait before we move to that, because that's really what I wanted to talk about also. But even subtle things like in Matthew 11, when Jesus, in verse 20, when he says, Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed because they didn't repent. And he says, woe to you. And he names these towns. He says, if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in these other cities, they would have repented long ago. And my only point here is, is not only does Jesus, like, know what the best course of action is, he'll say things like, if something would have happened that didn't happen, this would have happened. Yeah, well, that's. We're going down a rabbit hole that other humans can't even fathom.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So when you think about him as pure alternate reality, innocent, and he gives the impression that he's inviting everyone to this. You even see these subtleties in who he ate with. Yeah. You know, he's just attacking the Pharisees. You know, as people would put it, he's always in opposition. And then there's a story that says, well, he was over at a Pharisees house having supper and they were reclining. And you remember that story that comes up, so what's he doing there?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he did that frequently.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. I mean, he's somehow able to express truths and still leave the door open. Even like with Nicodemus, it's like, I mean, he told him the most crazy thing Nicodemus probably ever could imagine. You need to be born again, start over. Wait, what? But it actually impacted Nicodemus in a way where at the end of Jesus's life, he's getting the body and preparing it. I mean, I just think he had a way to invite everybody, be innocent, yet be very strong in what he said as far as truth. But he also has. He's making the right decisions. He's also doing this for the Father in a humility type lifestyle of always Giving credit to, you know, to God the Father. You just wasn't, you know, didn't have a banner saying, hey, let's conquer the world.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

It's just. It's fascinating.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think it's kind of like us, though, Jace. We have the same. Like when I run upon people that are super zealous for the faith, and sometimes they get so zealous that they. They forget about that. We're trying to impact people with this. It almost looks like you're excluding people because they're just not good enough to get in on how good this is. But I'm comfortable with talking with them to try to expand their possibilities. To think maybe God wants you to put something out there that attracts people to something good as opposed to making it seem like it's unattainable. And I always think about the life of Paul. You know, when he was Saul. You didn't get more zealous than him for righteous perfection in his mind. And then all of a sudden, in one day, he realized he had missed the whole thing.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And then it was. All of a sudden, it was like, wait, you want me to go to talk to Gentiles? I mean, like, yeah, that's the place.

[Phil Robertson]

You got to get to. It was probably progressive. There's a great Christian writer, probably the great. One of the greatest Christian minds in history in terms of just from the standpoint of they contributed a lot to the Christian faith, was Thomas Aquinas. And he wrote, I would call it a Magnus opus. Like, it's one of the core texts in books for kind of Western Christian thought. It's hailed as, like, this is one of the greatest works ever. And at the end of it, I find this interesting. He wrote the whole thing and he's at the very end of it. He said that he had a beautific vision, a beautiful vision of Christ that made all of his writings seem like straw. And I think there's a lot of, like, that's. That's the posture that I think when you're really With Jesus. Like, when you're with him and you're following him, you. All of our formulas, all of our. And not to say doctrine doesn't matter. Of course it does. But man, when you start thinking about who God is, I mean, really, whatever we think we figured out is about that small. It's just rubbish. It's rubbish compared to who he is. And I think that's the transformation in it. And that is, I would say Jace is the vocation. The vocation is to be transformed into the image of the sun.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I do think, and I agree. Which, you know, Romans 8 says that. But Al brings up a good point because subtly, it's kind of like, well, who's choosing who here?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Which now later on in John 15, you remember what he says? He's like, you didn't choose me, but I chose you.

[Jase Robertson]

Right?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, because here you're like, well, they're following him.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And he's like, what do you want? But remember what he says. I chose you to go and bear fruit. So it's like, well, there's that mission again. I have a job for you. That's why when you brought up Peter, because it's a struggle to say, well, a lot of religious people, they're like, well, see, he saved them right here, you know, because he. He chose them. And they're looking at it from purely. What's one of your words? Justification type. Look, but. But it's like, well, I'll make you fishers of men when you tie in what Mark does. And they're actually repeating what he just said when he said, come and see. When they said, where are you staying? He's like, come and see. What's fascinating is when you read the next paragraph. Well, then you see them doing what he did because he says the next day. This is in verse 43, Jesus decided to leave for Galilee. Find. There's your word again. Finding Philip, he said to him, follow me.

[Jase Robertson]

Right?

[Zach Dasher]

So who's. Who's. Who's being found here?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

It's. Now they're finding each other. Which is why I'm saying, if you look at it kind of from how this is going to work moving forward. Because when I skipped to John 15 and said, well, here's this passage where he says, you didn't choose me, but I chose you, I think that shows you who's in charge of this thing, right? Especially from a vocational view. He's in charge. He's the. He's gonna be the head of the church. The people who are What? Doing what? They're. They're telling other people that haven't surrendered and gone all into Jesus. Come and see. That's what we do.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Like when you meet somebody, I'm. What are you initially trying to do? You're trying to introduce Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Which is what. This is how this is working. But watch what he says. In 44, Philip, like Andrew and Peter was from the town of Bethsaida. Philip found the. Up. There's that word again. Now. Now Philip's finding Nathaniel and told him we have found. I was. Very good point. That you pointed this out.

[Jase Robertson]

Locate by searching the one Moses wrote.

[Zach Dasher]

About in the law and about whom the prophets also wrote, Jesus of Nazareth. Which is really a profound statement because now they're saying, look, they're going back and saying the Old Testament. It was about Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And now here he is, which is going to be a constant theme in Jesus ministry.

[Jase Robertson]

And it is interesting that he says the son of Joseph, which again, he's describing his physical attribution. I mean, like. But, but, but really and truly, we all know that that didn't really matter that much because he really wasn't the phys.

[Phil Robertson]

He wasn physical son.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, it was the royal line, but it wasn't.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, but that does go in with the overall thought of the word became flesh.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Even when you get to the end. And who was that that said, behold the man?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

When he's. When he was dressed with the robe and had the crown of thorns and Pilate.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

He said, behold the man. I mean, he. He's like this. I think he was saying that like, he's just a man.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Because that's what in every kind of physical kingdom it's all about. You know, somebody has this reputation and oh, he can do miracles and he's powerful and oh, he claims to be God. Well, what do Roman kings, any king, they're like, no, he bleeds just like every other man. Here's your king. But he didn't realize. Oh, just wait. Just give it a second. But I wanted to read this because then when it gets to verse 40, says, Nazareth, can anything good come from there? And we'll talk about that in detail later. Nathaniel asked and look what Philip says. Come and see. Well, all of a sudden things have changed. Where do you get that from which I find this absolutely fascinating.

[Jase Robertson]

What Jesus had told him.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, he's become contagious. Contagious because he is our righteousness. He is our wisdom. He does make you smart. He. There's something compelling about him. That's very hard to describe that all of a sudden, whatever happened, we're putting the pieces together because they're like, oh, we come and see. Because when he answered that call from Jesus, whatever he saw, which doesn't go into detail, it's now made him tell somebody else. Oh, I don't have to tell you. You just need to come and see this.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean this goes back to basic redneck DNA in art in my world. Because I'm like, come look at this. I mean how many times did our dad come in from a fishing trip or come in from a hunting trip and he would just stick his head in the door and here we are and he's like, come check.

[Jase Robertson]

Come, come look at this.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh.

[Zach Dasher]

We took off running because I knew whatever was going to be exciting.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

You know, and I'm like, oh my goodness. It was usually a 35 pound opera catfish.

[Jase Robertson]

Big old alligator gar. Some. Some massive thing. Or the first time he ever caught a bobcat, a trap. I remember him saying, y'all come look at this, boys. And we were like. We had never seen one up close, you know. Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Which I would argue the cell phone has tried to take Jesus's mantra and that's why everybody. Yeah, well, that's right. It was like, hey, come look, come look, look at me. And we do crazier and people are breaking their neck trying to do.

[Jase Robertson]

They start making up stuff to do.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. And it's like the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat both works and they just to get people to come and see. And we've.

[Jase Robertson]

And it's amazing how easy you fall for it does. Because just this morning I was checking on X, which is the only real social media I look at very much. And I was looking at it and someone had filmed. There was a long log, just an old. Looked like a pine log. And I guess they greased it. And at the end that was a flag. And these people are trying to run down this log and grab the flag. It's over water. And you know, about the second step, they kept wiping out and falling in the water. They did crotch fall right on that, you know, log. And I'm laughing, I'm watching it. They never got to the flag. But I said, boy, they got me for a minute because I watched it for a minute.

[Zach Dasher]

That's what they do. Which is here's. I'm going to give you what you. How you could go by this. You should spend more time reading the Gospels because that's. That's when you go and see Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Then you do on your cell phone. And I, I will say I spent more time, I spend more time in my life reading Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

[Jase Robertson]

I definitely do too.

[Zach Dasher]

Then I do on my phone.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Which is, I thought about that before I was going to say it.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

But I think if you polled people that that might not be going on. Yeah, I mean, but it's. What, what do you, what do you, what are you putting in?

[Phil Robertson]

What if you read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John on your cell phone?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I think you would get partial credit.

[Phil Robertson]

But I'm, I'm, I read a lot on my devices.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, that's true. And I would say.

[Jase Robertson]

And some people, that's all they have now. They don't even have.

[Zach Dasher]

But you know what I'm saying, your sounds like a guilty man fighting for his life over there. But.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

But I just think it's fascinating that when God became a man, he was so confident in what you were going to see. Yeah, just watch me. That's basically what he said, watch me. Which is something we say as you know, when we're toddlers. Watch me, watch me, watch me. And then we see it. We're like, okay, that wasn't that impressive. But they thought it was the greatest thing ever. And that's why I said we're immature in that when I mean Jesus as an adult, he just, that's what he portrayed. You're fascinated. Was, look, this is getting back to how I came to Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Literally reading the book of John, just wowed by this wasn't what I thought it was.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

I thought Christianity was rule oriented. It was, you know, do this so you don't go to hell. You know, we need an escape hatch or I mean, I don't know what I thought, but I didn't think it was wow.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Just looking at a human being who claiming to be God, the way he functioned really wowed me. And I've continued to be wowed.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and I even thought about. I mentioned Saul earlier in Acts 9, you know, when Jace, he asked him a question when he's just traveling, he's going to get. Round up some Christians. And all of a sudden this bright light shines on him so bright that it winds up blinding him temporarily for days. And he says, remember what happened? It was like the question, saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? And Saul says, who are you, Lord? I mean, he's like, I don't know who you are. Who are you? And then he says, jesus. I mean, he tells him who he is, interestingly enough. He spends the next three days blind. So it's going, you want to see, come and see, but you can't see. And he's stumbling around until he gets down an ice. Who then explains who Jesus is. The scales fall off. He's got his mission for the rest.

[Zach Dasher]

Of the life, which goes back to that mission, which, look, I was just reading the other night in Luke 11, really doesn't have anything to do per se with what we've been studying. But when I read this, I thought, well, this is interesting because I do think you've hit on something. When he said, come and see, after John had already said he would be the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not understood it. And this kind of goes to, you know, Missy in one of her Bible studies was telling me the other night that she got an interesting question. She said the question was, well, will we recognize. How are we going to recognize Jesus when he comes back? Of course, Missy was like, what do you mean?

[Phil Robertson]

He.

[Zach Dasher]

He. When he left. And it got into an interesting conversation, which I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I guess I'm here now. Which. Which, because Jesus didn't have to levitate, He. He was. He was no longer bound by time, space, or dimensions.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Dimensions. So. So this gets interesting because even going back to something we've been talking about, this phrase, you know, I'm going to heaven, that. That kind of has a little bit negative connotation because people who view everything like that, number one, has to deal with all the times that heaven comes down in the Bible. It's like through the temple, through the tabernacle, creation itself. You know, he created the heavens, earth, and he was down on the planet, walking around in the garden temple, the tabernacle. Then you have Jesus coming down, then he sends the Holy Spirit down from him. Then you get to Revelation 21. And then all of a sudden, the church is coming down, the bride of Christ, remember? And he's like, there's a new heaven and a new Earth. So it gets kind of complex. And the reason I've used that phrase before, you know, going to heaven, but it's kind of more like it kind of leads people to think, oh, God made a mistake in creating the Earth. And this, you know, he's. He's going to burn it all and then rescue us, you know? And so it kind of makes people think like, we're just hitchhikers waiting on a ride.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

To go back to Zach's point about, we have nothing to do here. This thing's doomed.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And it tends to make people real negative, and messaging is negative. And you're like, well, wait a minute. Have we. Have we. We not miss something here? And what I'm proposing is Jesus, by this, even calling his first disciples, he's putting this mission in their minds of, look, you're going to be me here. And that's why when you get to John 14, 15, and 16, you're really going to see it, because he's like, I'm going to go and represent you in heaven, and you're going to represent me. I'll come to you through my spirit, and you start operating like me. I think the problem we have with wrapping our heads around that is that. But we're flawed. Even. Even Zach earlier said, but, Peter, you didn't quite get it. But neither did Thomas.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Neither did Mary. She's crying, grabbing a hold of him. He's like, hey, I gotta go. This is part of the. This.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Nobody quite got it.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a misunderstanding of heaven, too. Heaven is the best way I've heard it described. Heaven is here.

[Zach Dasher]

It's.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, you can't fully see it because there's a veil. But, like, it's. It's. It's here. It's not, like, way out there, which I think that's the story that you're seeing. And the point of Jesus is Coming is that he's making his home here. And we sing a song, which I. One of my favorite songs, christ Alone. And there's a line at the end till he returns and calls me home. And I was singing it at a. With another church. Not our church, another church. And they had changed the lyrics, which I liked. It's like. And it said something like, till he returns and makes his home. Like, because the idea is that Evan's coming here. Or, like, it's going to be realized here, and the veil is going to be. It'll be gone and it'll be united. And it's a much more like intimate picture. And. And I think what it does is it forces us into understanding that the real prize is not a destination out there in the distant future. The real prize is to be in communion with Christ. And that is the vocation. That's why the rich young ruler, when they asked and he said, hey, what do I have to do? What are the good things that I have to do to inherit eternal life and to have eternal life? What do I got to do? I think most of us would probably rebuke Jesus and his answer. We might say, well, you don't. Because Jesus didn't say you don't have to do anything. He actually gave him instructions to do something. He said, you got to basically follow the law. And he said, which one? I followed the commandments. He said, well, I've kept them all. And then Jesus says, okay, then sell everything you have and come follow me. That's it. Come follow me. That's the point, is that Jesus is the vocation that we have is what you see here. Come and see. What are you going to do once you see? Well, you're going to follow him. So there's this following of Christ and there's getting in proximity to Christ. And then that's why this all plays into it. Because when you get to John 16, what does Christ say about the Holy Spirit coming? He said he's got to come because he said when he comes, he's going to convict the world about righteousness because I go to the Father where you can no longer see me. Well, if the point is to follow Christ, and he said, I'm getting out of here. Well, how do we follow Christ if he's not here anymore? Well, that's the Holy Spirit. He lives in us. And it's this whole picture of union with Christ through the Spirit connecting us to the Father that is the ultimate point of the entire Gospel of John. I would say it's the main point of the entire Bible.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I didn't get to my Luke 11.

[Jase Robertson]

Maybe you can leave with that next time.

[Zach Dasher]

I'll lead with that because this is where I was going anyway. So.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. All right, so we'll start with that next time on Ashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.