Ep 1047 | Jase Opens up About a Major Hurt in His Marriage & the Biggest Lie Satan Tells Couples

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Episode 1047 Summary

Release Date: February 26, 2025

In Episode 1047 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family," host Tread Lively delves deep into the personal and spiritual challenges within marriage, focusing particularly on Jase Robertson's experiences and insights. The episode navigates through themes of faith, relationship struggles, biblical interpretations, and the importance of building a marriage centered on Christ.

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1. Introduction and Family Dynamics

The episode opens with light-hearted banter among the Robertson family members, highlighting their unique personalities and the strong bonds they share. Jase Robertson expresses his unwavering faith with the statement, “I am unashamed” ([00:01]).

Phil Robertson welcomes Jase back to the podcast, playfully discussing family members, which sets a warm and familial tone for the episode ([00:03]–[01:24]).

2. Reflections on Family and Public Perception

Jase shares his observations about how his father, Phil, is perceived by others, noting the surprising admiration Phil receives from women despite his long-standing marriage. He remarks, “I am shocked at the amount of women who love Sa” ([01:24]).

Lisa Robertson counters by attributing Phil’s appeal to his inner beauty, emphasizing his kindness and humor ([01:56]–[02:08]).

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3. Event Reflections and Fundraising Efforts

The conversation shifts to a recent event in Bethany, Missouri, where the family participated in a fundraising initiative for a pregnancy resource center. Phil recounts interactions with attendees, including a humorous anecdote about mistaking Willie’s identity, which highlights the interconnectedness and camaraderie within their community ([02:38]–[07:49]).

A notable moment occurs when Phil discusses the high bid for a signed duck call at auction, demonstrating the family’s unique approach to raising funds: “So, Phil, what do you say about the green grass on the other side of the field?” ([06:10]–[07:49]).

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4. The Significance of Weddings and Biblical Insights

The discussion transitions to the topic of weddings, where Phil shares memorable experiences officiating ceremonies. He highlights the challenges of conducting weddings during significant events, such as the LSU vs. Alabama game in 2020, illustrating the complexities of balancing personal commitments with larger societal events ([12:46]–[19:10]).

Jase Robertson connects these experiences to biblical narratives, referencing Revelation 21 and the symbolism of the new Jerusalem as a bride prepared for her husband. He emphasizes the non-coincidental nature of biblical events: “the more I read the Bible, the less I believe in coincidences” ([20:57]–[26:19]).

Phil Robertson echoes this sentiment, discussing the planned and purposeful actions within the Bible, particularly in the context of Paul’s mission to the Gentiles ([26:19]–[30:07]).

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5. Building a Christ-Centered Marriage

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the importance of anchoring marriage in Christ to prevent relational breakdowns. Lisa Robertson passionately asserts, “If you do not build your marriage to begin with on Christ... that is, that's what we're talking about” ([36:38]–[42:11]).

Jase Robertson concurs, sharing personal anecdotes about the struggles and growth within his own marriage. He reflects on the wisdom gained from scripture, particularly Ephesians 5, and how it parallels the dynamics of a Christ-centered relationship: “we are living in a marriage within a marriage in Christ” ([40:10]–[41:11]).

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6. Overcoming Marital Struggles Through Faith

The family members discuss practical aspects of maintaining a strong marriage amidst challenges. They emphasize that love is a deliberate action, not just a feeling, and that prioritizing Christ and each other is essential for enduring relationships.

Lisa Robertson shares personal experiences of emotional growth within her marriage, highlighting moments where affirmations of love have strengthened their bond: “you have worked a wonder in that man's life” ([51:46]–[56:32]).

Phil Robertson relates these personal victories back to biblical teachings, reinforcing the idea that faith can transform and sustain marital relationships even in difficult times ([54:09]–[56:42]).

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7. Concluding Reflections

As the episode wraps up, the Robertson family reiterates the central message: marriages grounded in Christ are resilient and capable of overcoming the deceit and lies that can erode relationships. They encourage listeners to prioritize their faith and make conscious decisions to nurture their marriages daily.

Lisa Robertson poignantly concludes, “It's always good to have you on the podcast. So we'll see you next time” ([56:34]–[56:42]), leaving listeners with a sense of hope and actionable insights for their own relationships.

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Notable Quotes

• Jase Robertson at [00:03]: “I am unashamed.”
• Jase Robertson at [01:24]: “I am shocked at the amount of women who love Sa.”
• Lisa Robertson at [01:56]: “It's not his beauty. It's his well-deserved inner beauty that he has.”
• Phil Robertson at [26:19]: “You should get that especially from John here, because he's going back to the beginning.”
• Jase Robertson at [40:10]: “But I thought of that while ago. I thought, but we actually are living in a marriage within a marriage in Christ.”
• Lisa Robertson at [42:11]: “You can't build this on your feelings. You got to build this on Christ.”

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Final Thoughts

Episode 1047 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" offers a heartfelt exploration of marital struggles and the transformative power of faith. Through personal stories, biblical references, and genuine family interactions, the Robertsons provide listeners with both inspiration and practical advice on fostering a marriage that honors God and withstands life's challenges.

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For more insights and inspiring stories, tune in to "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" and join the conversation on building unshakeable faith and family bonds.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed.

[Phil Robertson]

What about you? Welcome back to the unashamed podcast, Jace. In the five minutes of interim between the last podcast and this one, we have traded crazy for beauty because we had Sai, who is not beautiful, but he, he is a little bit crazy and fun for Lisa.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I'm about to push back there.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh yeah, let me hear this.

[Jase Robertson]

I have, I should have said this while I was here. So I've traveled with obviously all my family members all over the world. What I've. What I found fascinating. This is how many wonders of the world? Seven or there's seven. Well, here's, here's number eight.

[Phil Robertson]

Seven.

[Lisa Robertson]

No, we already had eight. Tracer was number eight.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, this must have been jokingly said that Tracy Lee, size daughter who had worked as a model, among other things. I mean, she's like 6 foot 2.

[Phil Robertson]

Tall, blonde hair, beautiful, beautiful, Very intelligent.

[Jase Robertson]

And so you look at Sa, you look at Tracy and you say, there's the eighth wonder.

[Phil Robertson]

Maybe mix up.

[Jase Robertson]

Let me give you the ninth wonder of the world. Is that, I mean, size married, happily.

[Phil Robertson]

Been married for what, almost 50 years now.

[Jase Robertson]

Almost 50 years. I am shocked at the amount of women who love sa.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Like uncomfortably, when I'm in public with him. I have seen women come up and kiss Sa on the cheek and he'll bring up his wife. But there's something about Sa that they don't feel awkward, creepy, threatened. Threatened. They're just, they love Sa well, but.

[Lisa Robertson]

It'S not his beauty.

[Jase Robertson]

It's his well deserved. It has to be beauty.

[Phil Robertson]

Inner beauty.

[Lisa Robertson]

It's that inner beauty that he has.

[Phil Robertson]

And he's funny.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah. And he's sweet.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Lisa Robertson]

And he's very kind.

[Phil Robertson]

Lisa still laughs at my jokes, but.

[Jase Robertson]

Would you agree with that?

[Phil Robertson]

I agree.

[Jase Robertson]

I have seen hundreds of women, good looking women.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, everyone is made by God. So I don't wanna.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

But I'm just saying it's shocking. And I'm like, really? Because it's like almost uncomfortable.

[Phil Robertson]

And then sadly. Come here, darling.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, he's just like. And you know, his wife is like. Well, because I brought that up to her.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, actually, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

It like she, like, she's like. He's irresistible.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, that's what she says.

[Jase Robertson]

I can't blame those poor women. So it is kind of.

[Phil Robertson]

So. So this is interesting. Jason, I'm so glad you brought this up. So Lisa and I just did an appearance in Bethany, Missouri, which is about an hour and a half north of Kansas City, which just for future reference, babe, when we're signing events to go north of Kansas City in February is price that we need to really just pray about next time.

[Jase Robertson]

Because Kansas City area after the super well loss.

[Phil Robertson]

And I even said I. Like, I was more worried if they'd have won because there had been a parade, we'd have got into all that. So. But anyway, we got there, it was.

[Jase Robertson]

12 degrees, a riot going on.

[Phil Robertson]

No riot, everybody. Everybody was disappointed and bummed, but they won. So many they didn't. It wasn't even that bad. But we got there, it was 12 in the Kansas City. Then we're going an hour and a half north. So that was even colder. And when we left, it was 12. We're not really built for 12 with. With a northwest wind, 20 miles an hour. It was rough. So we did this event. And there were two things that happened that I want to share, and one of them is funny that you said this about psy. So there's a very nice lady came up. We were doing like a little vip people that paid a little extra to the event, which was offered to raise funds for a pregnancy center, which we love. It was a. It was a Valentine's Day marriage event. But everything they made has silent auction and live auction. They were donating to this prc, this pregnancy resource center that was there. So it was awesome. This lady came up, which she's telling me she and her husband that they had seen Willie. And they showed me a picture of Willie, and I was like, oh, I'm sorry, you know that he's the first robbers and you met, you know, just kind of make him.

[Lisa Robertson]

I said, the ugly brother.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And then she said, the ugly brother. And so she's. So we're talking about that, and they're telling me how much they love this life surge, which is what Willie's doing now. And there's a bunch of business people. It's kind of a Christian business thing Willie's into now. But I know some of the other people, and two of them are the Benham brothers, which I love. They're from North Carolina, and they've been on the podcast before, their twin. I mean, exact replica twins. I only really know them apart by their wives. That's the only way I can tell them now apart, where they always have this running joke with me. They'll say, the ugly brother, talking about their brother, where they look exactly alike. So it's kind of a running gay. So I asked this woman, I said, well, which one was the ugliest brother? Well, I was talking about the Benhams. Because we were talking about the Benhams, and she said, I guess Uncle Si. And I started laughing. And I was like, no, I meant with the. Between the Benhams. And she said, oh, oh, oh, okay. And I was like, but you think Uncle Si is the ugliest. And she said, oh, please don't tell him that. I said, I'm gonna say it on the podcast. I meant to say it when Si was here, but now he's gone. So good. We didn't hurt his feelings, but he would have gotten a big laugh at him.

[Lisa Robertson]

He would have.

[Phil Robertson]

So she was like, mortified. So now I'm telling the story. I know she's listening. So that's the story. The second thing, Jay's. So we did the live auction after we spoke, and it was great. I mean, a lot of people. A lot of great response to what we did. So they did this live auction afterwards. And so I had a duck call that I forgot to pack in my suitcase. And this is the Jace Pro series in this Tiger Wood. And I had. I just thought about that, Jace. But did. Did you. Did y'all name this Tiger Wood before Tiger woods became famous?

[Jase Robertson]

No, Tiger woods was named Tiger Wood. Tiger Wood's been here.

[Phil Robertson]

I was wondering who came first. Okay. Tiger Wood came before Tiger Woods. Yeah. Okay, good. So that's this duck call. And so we had a picture of it. And so they auctioned it off. Well, they made. They raised $15,000 for this pregnancy center, which was awesome. And this was the largest bid on item. And they had a signed cheese jersey from the running back. All these things. This duck called.

[Jase Robertson]

Maybe they thought it was Tiger Woods.

[Phil Robertson]

Maybe they said, this duck call I'm holding in my hand that Leroy bid on and won was $2900.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, my goodness.

[Phil Robertson]

Is what he did. So I. So about halfway through the bidding, it was this Leroy and some other person that kept upping each other. And I said, well, I'm going to get dad and Jace to sign it. So I got dad to sign it yesterday. So I want you to sign it. Put your.

[Jase Robertson]

Already signed it.

[Phil Robertson]

I know it's already on there. I want you to do it. Jason, the gospel symbol. Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Did fail blow it?

[Phil Robertson]

No, no.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean for $2900. I was just going to check it and make sure there's no gold in it.

[Phil Robertson]

No gold.

[Lisa Robertson]

No gold.

[Jase Robertson]

But I'm going to. There's a couple little things you can do just to.

[Phil Robertson]

So we're getting. Call upgrade.

[Jase Robertson]

You can get it. Well, to make it a Little more. What happens is it goes through the process. They're tuned, but they sit there.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And you return it to its original form. And once you do that, it never goes away.

[Phil Robertson]

So I hope you're watching, Leroy. I know somebody will tell you that that's happened. But Jace just tunes your call. Specifically $2900, $2900. And he donated it to the pregnancy center. But this is what he's getting. And so thank you for that. And you guys were awesome there. Abby and. And Tracy Casey. Yeah. I want to say Tracy Casey and all the crew that were there. You treated us great. It was very cold, but it was worth it because the people were warm. When you say babe.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yep. I think so. Do you remember Abby's mom's name?

[Phil Robertson]

Lisa.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

[Phil Robertson]

Said I wouldn't forget that.

[Jase Robertson]

I put the little gospel diagram perfect. And I put Matthew 19:26, which is not possible with man, but with God, all things are possible.

[Phil Robertson]

So we're going to get that in the mail. And we do like to tell you when we're going places. Lisa and I are going to be going up to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, in a couple of weeks for an event in Carlisle. So look on our website. Allen Lisa Roberson.com about that if you want to check us out. Jase, you've got. If you got any you can mention or.

[Jase Robertson]

I do, but I think they're already sold. They're already sold out. So I'll see you when I see you.

[Phil Robertson]

But that was. That was fun. It's.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what's funny is you were in Kansas City, and I'm fixed to go to Philadelphia.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Jase Robertson]

My crowd will be a little more excited.

[Phil Robertson]

Are you gonna say something about the game?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I guess you'll have to. I wait to the last minute.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

To.

[Phil Robertson]

I didn't even bring it up in my crowd. I did. Someone heard me say on the podcast that I was. That I wound up pulling for Philly during the Zubo so I wouldn't have to go through a parade in Kansas City. I guess I said, what's funny is.

[Jase Robertson]

These things are planned way in advance.

[Phil Robertson]

Right. Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Who knew? So maybe there was something.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Cosmic.

[Phil Robertson]

That is. That is interesting.

[Jase Robertson]

But I'm glad I got to go where they won. But you know what was crazy is when they won, they actually just started tearing up stuff and going crazy. So I. You know, be careful what you wish.

[Phil Robertson]

We've talked about that. That's so insane how the reaction is almost just like it's victory, but it's like, let's destroy things in victory. I don't know.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think, you know, you think.

[Phil Robertson]

The losers would be terrible.

[Jase Robertson]

We just did the Jesus turning the water into wine. And even though that symbolizes, you know, our marriage to Christ, new beginnings, new creations, if you drink too much wine at a game, you start tearing stuff up.

[Phil Robertson]

That's a good point.

[Jase Robertson]

So there you go.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

I'm down six pounds.

[Phil Robertson]

Awesome.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

But yeah, I mean, the more I read the Bible, the less I believe in coincidences, random encounters and accidents and anything in the Bible, it seems to be linked together.

[Phil Robertson]

So I wanted to talk a little bit about weddings in the sense because the first thing I thought of, we were talking with somebody recently and they were asking me about weddings I've done. And which, you know, which is the most difficult, which was the most, you know, all these different things. I've done so many that I forget a lot of them. But one I will never forget was when I was asked to do Johanna Godwin's wedding because John Godwin, Godwin's daughter, John and Paula. So they had asked me first. They wanted to do what I thought was just a kind of like a. What would you call it, a pre wedding thing. I met him over at Tech in the room that they met in. They used to pass notes to each other in class. And so they want to do like their vows in this room. Well, I thought this was just. I knew their wedding was until November, but. But it turns out they had their marriage license. I married them with just a few of their family there in a classroom at Louisiana Tech University. They got permission to go in there at night and I married him. I did the vows in that room. So they were actually husband and wife. What they had planned. This other thing is kind of like a.

[Lisa Robertson]

For family.

[Phil Robertson]

For family and everything. But they were already married. So they tell me, I said no. So when's the wedding? And they're like, November 9th. Which I remember to meet it because it was my birthday. No, our anniversary, sorry, November 9th. And which is our anniversary. And it was 2020. Now, Jason, if you remember, November 9th, 2020 was a big night. It was the year LSU won a national championship. And guess who they were playing November 9th that year? Alabama.

[Jase Robertson]

Alabama.

[Phil Robertson]

It was the Alabama game in the championship season at Alabama. I mean, the whole season was riding on this game.

[Jase Robertson]

And you're doing away.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm doing a wedding with my best friend, John Gowen. They asked me, but like everybody at the wedding, I mean, almost every men and women were watching the game. As I'm standing with Joanna and Celio in front of me. I'm looking out, everybody's looking down the entire time I'm doing the wedding. It was the most forgotten way. Except for Johanna and Celia, they loved it. But everybody else, they didn't even know how I was doing a wedding.

[Jase Robertson]

It's weird you bring this story up because one of the biggest arguments that I've ever had with my wife is when my oldest son was going to get married. And they sent a text with the date and I said, nope. And Missy snapped her head at me. She's like, you don't have anything going on. I said, that's the LSU Alabama game. So it wasn't that year, obviously because they've been married longer. And she was like, this is your son. You know how miss he can be. You know, she started the speech. Well, I'm already typing. I was like, that's the LSU Alabama game. No one will come and my oldest.

[Phil Robertson]

Son should know this.

[Jase Robertson]

I wasn't selfishly saying, yeah, you know, I mean, you were saying back into the argument, you know, here, what has it been eight years later? I was like, they're not going to come or they're going to be distracted. Why would you want to do that? And so I put that down and then there was no argument. They put another date. Which I looked up the LSU schedule and it was during the bye week.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I thought, now we're talking. Which this is called perfect sense to.

[Phil Robertson]

Us because we're like, think about the schedule.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

In your case with Reed and, and Brighton, it was also. We filmed it on the show.

[Jase Robertson]

So that really would have been filming.

[Phil Robertson]

We filmed it. It was out in this pine grove somewhere.

[Jase Robertson]

I remember where it was at. Yeah, it was nice.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Pecan.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, I'm. I don't remember that kind of stuff.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, I remember you'd ever done was his.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I've done. I've done a few. Which I'm terrible at it and I'm retired, so don't get any ideas. But you think you're retired. And then the last one I did was Austin and Lily, which they filmed that for my treasure hunt. So I just don't think I'm very good at that. I think you're spectacular at it.

[Phil Robertson]

I've done many and. And in fact, you're right, Jaz. I kind of tried to retire when I left like full time ministry work. But I do them every year. It's usually people that I love and I just can't say no to, so.

[Lisa Robertson]

But you did a good job. Jason and Lily's wedding, it was very personable. I thought you did a great job.

[Jase Robertson]

I appreciate it. I don't like the pressure of those kind of events.

[Phil Robertson]

I will say that in terms of being in front of a crowd, if you're just speaking, it's much less pressure than a wedding because you feel like you could mess it up if you.

[Jase Robertson]

That's all. There's no way it. You're kind of the umpire.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

If you're noticed.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

There's a problem.

[Phil Robertson]

That's right. You did it wrong.

[Jase Robertson]

And so nobody cares.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

The only thing that can happen is you screw this whole thing up. And they talk about it for years.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it's like good old cousin Kim, our Tommy, our Uncle Tommy's daughter. When I did her wedding, and this was early and it turned out to be, she taught me a great lesson. She didn't. Wasn't trying to teach me a lesson, but she did when I went over there, and of course, I'm young, you know, and I just started doing weddings. And she said, you know, you tell your funny stories and, like, everybody laughs and they love it. And I was like, yeah. And she said, don't do that. Don't do that at my wedding. Just balls and strikes.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what I'm saying. And you know what?

[Phil Robertson]

She was right. I was. I learned from that because. Leave it to Kim to. To tell me that. So I said that at Hayden's wedding, her son, which we got a good laugh about it. But I was like, kim, you taught me a lesson. It's not about me. It's about the couple. So even though Johanna and Celio and I reminded Johanna this recently, had me do this on the LSU Alabama national championship year game, it was still special.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah, it was.

[Phil Robertson]

And I'm glad I did it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the reason I don't mind bringing this up and we've said it, but I wanted to read it. I think I've read this passage more in the last few podcasts ever. But, you know, in Revelation 21, when he saw a new heaven and new earth for the first heaven, and the first earth had passed away, there was no longer any sea, which was kind of symbolic to chaos and opposition and resistance to the kingdom of God. He said, I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. So it's not like we're not just saying, oh, he did his first sign at a wedding, and he shows his transformational power, which was obviously a picture of things can change for the better. There's the rejoicing and just being a part of God's family and I mean, I think there is something here. Verse 4 then says, Wait, it says, I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There'll be no more death, no more mourning, crying, or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. And he said, look, I am making everything new. Verse 5, which goes, I think, into the John 2. And then the next section that we're going to get into, he actually addresses in verse 22 of Revelation 21, when it says, I did not see a temple in the city because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

City does not need the sun or the moon to shine up for the glory of God. Which goes back to what we talked about last podcast. Glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. I mean, I just think it's a beautiful.

[Phil Robertson]

No, and I love. I love the way you tie those two in, because I think that's why John told these two stories back to back from the wedding and the water into wine to then the temple, which is where we're going next.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is kind of debatable because the other three gospels have that later. Synoptic gospel. Yeah, they have that way later. So most people that I've read, they're like, well, it must have happened twice. No, I mean, maybe it was.

[Phil Robertson]

I don't think so. I mean, maybe. But I think John just chose to tell the story here. That's my opinion. But it could be right or wrong.

[Zach Dasher]

I want to talk to you guys real quick about what's going on with Tomorrow Clubs in Mova.

[Phil Robertson]

So, Zach, Mova is. Is special to me because for probably 10 years of my ministry here at WFR, at our church, we sent groups to Moldova. And of course, it was mainly because of the orphanages there. And there were so many parentless children. They were in this country. And so we saw firsthand the work that needed to be done by a group like Tomorrow Clubs.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

I want to mention this because I've been wanting to tell this story for a while and this is the time to tell it as we make the transition because I read this story in N.T. wright's book, which by the way, several of you have asked me about some of the stuff we read. And he's one of the guys we do. This is the Paul book, but he's got one on John that I'm reading. Are you reading the John?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I've read it before.

[Phil Robertson]

It's really, really good. And so in this book, Jay skips over the illustrations because he just goes for the meat.

[Jase Robertson]

That's a bad habit. You know what's funny?

[Phil Robertson]

I'm a preacher, so the illustrations I love.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I use illustrations because I got to think about this like, but I never listen to them.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

When I'm bible studying or listening to people, like every time they start talking about illustration password, I immediately go because I'm thinking I'll insert my own. Yeah, I don't ever use other people's illustrations unless, you know, it was just fantastic.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and, and to Jason's credit, he's never had, had to preach weekend and week out when you, you would have to use other people.

[Jase Robertson]

I tend to only have one message.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So which is different. I mean they, y'all asked me to speak on Ephesians.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I'm excited.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, but it's a, it's a. I've already given that Willie Asked me to speak somewhere on Ephesians, because they were doing this was like last year.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I was like, all right, yeah, I have that. I mean, you're actually going to wrap the book.

[Phil Robertson]

And that's on Mother's Day, by the way, if you want to come to Westman. All right, so look, so here's the story he tells. So the setting was, I was preaching out of Ephesians 3, those first 13 verses that set up before he gives that prayer, you know, kneel to the Father. And so he does this kind of what I would call Jace's rabbit hole, because he starts off going to make a point, then he kind of puts a rabbit hole moment in Ephesians 2, I mean, 3, verse 2, all the way down to the end of that section. And in there, he's talking about his unique role in revealing the mystery of the Gospel and especially to the Gentiles. That's the context.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. He says in verse 4 of 3, in reading this, you'll be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And it's very personal for Paul. I mean, he's like, you know. And then I went back and read what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus, and exactly what Jesus said he was going to do. His role. So NT Wright, in telling this about this text, tells this story, which I found fascinating. The reason I bring it up now is because Sai made a big deal in the last podcast about the timing of this miracle, the time. And Jesus said, my time is not fully come, but we knew that his time is coming, which he's going to say later. And so he tells a story about this woman in Africa named Naomi, and she had started a business making dresses. And the reason the story, the illustration stuck out to me is because Lisa and I have been to Africa, Liberia, and we actually went to a school that was started by one of our friends that taught women how to sew so that they could make dresses and other things. Right. Remember?

[Lisa Robertson]

And we bought sewing machines.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. It was like 50 graduates. So, I mean, it's just. That was so personal to me because I've been to Africa where this was actually happening. So he tells a story. Naomi, who has this vision, she wants to make dresses. So she gets a couple of her friends to be to help her with this. And she. And also a young man. And the young man, his role was to go into town, buy supplies, and then also to sell their dresses back in town. So that was his role. So you got the makers, then you got the Guy that's going and selling and bringing supplies. Well, the business grows. It does great. She has to hire two more women. So now we got four women plus this guy. And finally one day, one of the women that she had hired says, you know, this is going so well. We should make other things, you know, tablecloths and covers and curtains. And I mean, we could really expand this business. And the woman, Naomi, just stops and she goes over and there's a desk that she always kept locked. And she opens it up, she pulls out a letter. And the letter, there's a date written on there. It's the day she started the company. And she hands the letter to the woman who just said this and said, I want you to read that out loud. So she opens up the letter and she reads this plan for an expansion of the business into all the new things she wanted to do and all this. And she said from the beginning, I've had this idea about where we will go. She said, but I didn't want to bring it up early because you would have thought she's just daydreaming and we're never going to get there because we got to get this work done.

[Lisa Robertson]

Been overwhelming.

[Phil Robertson]

We would have been overwhelming. And so she said, but now we're ready to do it. And then NT Wright makes the point that from God's perspective, this is what he did with his plan. He had it in place, it was functional, it was happening, it was leading towards something. But then all of a sudden came the time to pull out the envelope and say, but here's what it's really about is so much bigger. And. And he said, imagine Paul being the young man in the story that realized that now his. His role is about to change dramatically. And what was going to happen in the spreading of this secret that she kept the whole time. And I just thought it was a beautiful picture. And I guess because I've experienced it at exactly what happens when the time was revealed in the first century. I mean, Jesus coming was the. The change agent for all eternity.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And then the people that afterwards, the disciples, including Paul, who was. He said one abnormally born because he came so late in the game would be then to get it to the Gentiles. It was just a fascinating story that I thought was in there.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I think it's crazy to. When you go back to the beginning and try to make sense of it all, because I was. I don't know where I read this the other day, but I read something I thought, huh, he's like, you know, the guy was preaching and he was saying, we've always taught in our churches that, well, the world was made perfect. And then we screwed up. And he was kind of being sarcastic and he was like, well, now God's like, well, I made a mistake, you know, how am I going to fix this? And. But I was kind of playing along and I was like, yeah, I've thought this before. And he said something that I had never thought about. He's like, just because God made it good. When he said, this is good, this is good, this is good. Oh, humans, very good. He's like, it wasn't complete, though he had in mind. It wasn't like God was surprised. We tend to dumbed down God to our level. And he's like, it wasn't complete or perfect. There was a process. He knew all along. You should get that especially from John here, because he's going back to the beginning, you know, where it would be more complete. It would be what God had in mind from the beginning. Because if it's an eternal being, he's not waiting around. I mean, he's using all this time speech for us because we are mortal. But it was a subtle thought. But I thought, well, that makes more sense. That okay, other beings, because, you know, you have the evil one there or an evil presence. But then. So you have man's rebellion. But then in Genesis 6, it kind of gets crazy because then there's other celestial beings involved who are not imaging God. And then Genesis 11, we have this kind of rebellion of human beings not wanting to do what God wants them to do. And so then all the nations are formed with all the languages and just those three rebellions, if you kind of put them in order, kind of the celestial beings, human celestial beings, and then the nations which all those nations started bowing down to other gods, which comes back to the Genesis 6, these other celestial beings. And then when you look to see what happened when Jesus gets here and when he made that statement in Matthew 20:28, all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me, you know, Therefore go make disciples of all nations, whoever's. And then the mark says, whoever believes is baptized and be saved, whatever. But it kind of hit me in that moment when I was listening that I was like, this was the plan all along, but God, you know, in creating us with decisions and choices and just kind of lets it play out, you know. And I just, I just think it was more. It was more powerful and planned than we kind of think about. But it's Just hard for us to see it as just inserted in the year 2025.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

It's a incredible story, which is why I really liked it. I tend to watch true story movies and I thought it was worth the price of admission.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Lisa Robertson]

Well, I think, because if you do not build your marriage to begin with on Christ, and he is not the cornerstone, he is not right in the center of your marriage. And he wasn't. He might have been for you, but he wasn't for me. And I think unless you have that, then you are going to lose the luster, you know, and even, I think even over time that luster may dull a little bit because of, you know, things that happen. Maybe you got kids that are sick, maybe the spouse is sick, maybe financial problems. So all of that is going to play a part into dulling that. But I think unless it is totally built on Christ, that it's always going to. It's always going to lose. You're going to lose it every time. You're going to lose that glory because you did not do it right the first time. And that is, I mean, that's one of the things that you and I are trying to tell a couple of our friends, is that you can't build this on your feelings. You got to build this on Christ. He's got to be the reason why you do this. Don't sit out there in a marriage that's mediocre. That's not what Christ wants for you. He wants your marriage to glorify him. And it cannot glorify him if all you're doing is fussing and fighting and calling the law to each other. I mean, you know, that kind of stuff.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, no, I think when the best advice I ever got, because I can't. You know, we had my dad, who as great a man as he's been early on in our life, not always.

[Phil Robertson]

The best in the marriage.

[Jase Robertson]

He did not give very good marriage advice. And, you know, I've told this before, we laugh at it now, but he's like, he had his three points, you know, does she believe it? But actually, I'm just gotta be honest. His number one thing was, what's the most important? Can she cook? Does she carry her Bible? Because that used to bother me, I thought, shouldn't the Bible come before the spoons?

[Lisa Robertson]

Right. Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

Anyway. And will she pick your ducks? Well, my wife, she didn't have one of those, for the first 10 years I knew her, she had the Bible, she couldn't boil an egg. And she said, look, I will never pick your duck because I, you know, I tried it. I was like, well, so much for that advice, terrible advice. But the best advice I did get was when I was reading that, you know, Ephesians 5, which most people go there, as you brought up, that Ephesians talk about that mystery, which he later on to your point, said that the mystery was that Jews and Gentiles, these nations could come back together, you know, under Christ. Well, then he does the same thing in marriage. Yeah, he, he goes to the roles. But I always looked at it like, well, let's define that role. But somebody told, maybe it was Carl who did our, our premarital counseling. He's like, you both get to be like Jesus in the marriage. Which actually Ephesians says, like Christ loved the church, you know.

[Lisa Robertson]

Right.

[Phil Robertson]

So Philippians 2 says the same thing.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. But then he gets down to the end and he says in verse 32, I think there's 32. This is a profound mystery. Brings us mystery just like you did with the nations. All people come together. But I'm talking about Christ and the church kind of to go back to what we're talking about, which is a beautiful picture, but it does put it in priority because I thought, because all the time I teach on, we're in Christ, we're living in a world, in a world. And I'll say we're part of a kingdom among other kingdoms. But I never used that in marriage. But I thought of that while ago. I thought, but we actually are living in a marriage within a marriage in Christ. That was his point there. And I think that's a really good way, that's good to look at it because, you know, his whole point that we agree on was getting to know Jesus better. And I think that's the best thing.

[Lisa Robertson]

You can do in your marriage is an action word. It's not just something you do, you know, you don't just get married and then that's the end of it. It's an action word. It's an everyday wake up and you decide that I am going to serve my spouse today and whatever they need, I'm going to make sure they get it, you know, and however that I can help them fulfill their commitment to Christ, that's what I'm going to do today.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

And so it's an action. Just like love to me, another one. Love is an action. So you say you Love somebody. Okay, that's great. But. But what are you doing for that other person? Yeah, because it's an action. You got to do something for somebody else. And so many times we just think, we just get married and that's it.

[Phil Robertson]

And every relationship builds on the other. Like you said, if you. If you can start out with a relationship with you in Christ.

[Lisa Robertson]

That's right.

[Phil Robertson]

Then that flows into a relationship with a man and a woman, then that flows into relationship with children and grandchildren. But remember, there's a pecking order of those. It started with God, then to one another, then to kids, then to grandkids. If any of those get out of whack, you got a problem. So setting up where we're going to be talking about in this next context, there's a temple. And this is a place where at one time in Israel's history there was this dynamic relationship of the presence of God with his people. And it was seen through a lot of different things that happened there. Sacrifices and cleansings and incense being burned. And there was a lot of process that went on to your point, even within marriage. So it's that idea about God and his people. Well, now we've had several hundred years of people still going through the motions, but there's no presence there. There's no reality. So what Jesus walks into when we get into this context later in John 2 is now it's become about making money. All the. The animals that are being sacrificed as part of the thing, everything's on an up charge.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and their temple life was more. Everything was there. It's like their politics, their right culture, their money, if they make money. I mean, it's like he had been there, but they just turned it into.

[Phil Robertson]

And so imagine you're the Son of God. And then again, they don't know that yet. I mean, you're just now coming out and saying this, who I am. But you're walking. So you've been there the whole time.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, in their defense, that would be hard because he's basically saying, I'm the temple. Yeah, and you're a human from Nazareth. That'd be a hard sell.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a hard sell, and I get it. But. But imagine you're him and you walk in and you look around and you see what this beautiful holy idea was supposed to be and what it's become. So I can't help but think about marriage again, and what happens with people who get off track, where they become two people who are partners in life because they have to be. We Made a decision, we're going to do this. And so. But it's all about money. And, well, I want to divorce him, but if I did, you know, I had to go through blah, blah, blah. And so we start just running it out like it's a financial contract. And, well, I got my kids. And, you know, I mean, you know, I hate the idea of, you know, I mean, just think about all the reasons people think of. And you're like, yeah, but it was created to be this beautiful relationship between you and God and you and this other person. You made this commitment, but it's so easy for that other stuff to get involved. And you just get so far removed from why you first started. Started. You become this. You become the setting we see in the context.

[Zach Dasher]

So here's a question for you. What is the gospel? The way you answer that question has a lot of significance in how you live your life out. And we would argue, based on the teaching of Jesus in the Book of Mark, that that definition of the gospel should not be separate from the coming of the kingdom based on Jesus words in Mark or. Talking about this on my new podcast called Not yet now, would love to invite you guys to join. We're going to go through the series, the series on the Book of Mark. We launch every Tuesday and would love to have you guys be a part of it. So go check us out Not yet now podcast with Zach Dasher. You can find us anywhere. Podcast or heard the title again is Not yet now with Zach Dasher. Or you can check us out on YouTube as well at Dasherzach. Z A C H thecherzach. Hope to see you guys there.

[Lisa Robertson]

Because it's based on a lie. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's the evil one telling you that, well, you, you married the wrong person. You, you know, you can do better. If you get out of this one and get into another one, everything's gonna, you know, it'll. It'll all work out. And it's all based on lies. And if we ever, you know, I just said to one of my friends a while ago, you know, pray about this. And if in the end you think God is telling you, don't do this, then I'll back off. I'll question it. Because I'm going to question who is telling you this, because you may think it's God, I think it's Satan, but.

[Phil Robertson]

Or it could be yourself.

[Lisa Robertson]

That's right. Or it could be, you know, your inner spirit. But I said, if that's who you think is Telling you do this, then I'll back off. But I mean, I think God wants your marriage to glorify him and it cannot do it in the manner that it's working out right now. I mean, I think we all have to be committed to Christ first, of course, but in that commitment to Christ, then we have to be committed to our spouse number one over everything. Over our kids, over our grandkids, over finances, over health, everything. Everything has to be Christ first. And then your, Your partner, you know, and it's just, it's hard for me and I guess, I don't know, maybe the Lord needs to take me back to 25 years ago. It's hard for me to allow people to just give up. Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't sit back and just let somebody say no. I mean, you know, it's over. We're just going to, we're just going to throw in the towel. I can't do it.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, I'm glad you can because that means you love people. But remember the same transition that people are going through in their everyday lives or what we're seeing in the context of the first century. Jesus has come here to introduce the concept, as Jason said a minute ago, that he now is going to be that too. Well, he's going to be the cornerstone that.

[Jase Robertson]

But think about them.

[Phil Robertson]

The transition got real rocky, you know.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and he. He makes all things new and he. And he can repair. And we've seen all these, these great transformations. But when you start comparing our marriages to our marriage with Jesus, I mean, he's way more graceful.

[Lisa Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Forgiving and even. And he doesn't even have expectations that are unreasonable in our marriages. I mean, there, there are clauses that he offers that are like, you can. You don't have to stay together. I mean, then you situation and different things. But even he himself, he still died for all that. He's still welcome. It's like his grace is so much greater and larger. And I think you hit on something. That's right. I think people, once they make that decision, which, whether they say they did or not, they'll. They'll say, well, I just, you know, I just feel like I don't love them anymore. It's, you know, it was. What you're saying is you've decided, right?

[Lisa Robertson]

That's right.

[Jase Robertson]

What's happened? You're out there's.

[Lisa Robertson]

But it's all because again, love is a decision.

[Jase Robertson]

That's right. It's camouflaged around that. But it's Always it's. It goes back when you brought up the evil one. I think that was a good analogy because what was the. In the first marriage, husband and wife, it was the possibility that you're missing out. It was curiosity really was the temptation. He said, don't do it. But you were curious. You know, it's all these little subtle things we never talk about. They saw that it was pleasing for. To the eye and it was good for food.

[Phil Robertson]

So these are gaining wisdom.

[Jase Robertson]

Gaining wisdom. I mean, it's just like you get all your little points. Well, that's never left people. And as Phil. One good advice he used to say was don't ever think the grass is greener on the other side of the yard because it's meaner. Yeah, we used to say that, which was kind of corny, but it's not greener, it's meaner. Yeah. I thought that's a good idea to think because that's what we tend to think. Oh, if I change location, how many people move? I mean, they do it for. From churches, they have a fallen out. They're like, well, I'm leaving. Well, they go down. And seven years later, guess what? The same thing happened. They're leaving again.

[Phil Robertson]

And you know why? Because you brought you to the party.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And you still got.

[Lisa Robertson]

You're the common denominator.

[Phil Robertson]

What do you say about the green grass on the other side of the field?

[Lisa Robertson]

I say the green grass is greener over there because they got more crap over there.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, because that's fertilizer.

[Lisa Robertson]

You know, that's what makes it green.

[Jase Robertson]

I think that's a spectacular illustration. Yeah, it's more. But that. That is. It's the. That little game I think goes on because we see that with people that we've worked with. I've seen people. I try to talk them out of it. I'm like, look. Because you kind of hear the situation and like, look, marriage is tough. Things happen. Circumstances. This is not. I mean, I say this all the time. My wife and I could not have set a better foundation. And oh my goodness, it was. It's just been a struggle because I think that's the way it. It's just the nature of living with another human being.

[Lisa Robertson]

But just think about those struggles, Jace, without Christ as your. As the center of your marriage and without you being his bridegroom.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I'm thankful for them now. I'm thankful for their struggles because it's almost galvanized. And I want to say this. I mean, my wife has Been a superstar with our situation with our parents.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm.

[Jase Robertson]

But I know part of her is doing that for me because it's a stressful situation we've talked about. Our parents are just not doing good and it can be very difficult and stressful. But boy, she has cooked so many meals. I mean, she's at the top of the list. And I noticed something that she's. Which has been kind of crazy. This is kind of personal. But because Phil has raked her over the coals the last 35 years on multiple occasions now, he didn't really mean anything back because my dad, everybody.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, he picks on people he loves.

[Jase Robertson]

He does. And. But he's hurt her feelings multiple times. You know, she's cried on the way from their house. Like, I cannot believe he said that to me. You know, I was like, baby, you know, I try to take up for him, but that compounds the problem. Are you endorsing this behavior? No, but. But one thing she's been doing and. Which was. First she told me she did this, but it was kind of touching. She cooked the meal for him because now since she's. Phil likes her cooking so much, you can tell she's kind of moved up the batting order because as soon as she walks in, he gets up and is looking for a plate. He's like, okay, what we got today? So she said, well, the first time I left, she said, I thought, you know, Phil's never told me he. He loves me. And, And I'm fine with that because he's just not that way. She said, but I thought he's just not doing well. And so she came up there and kind of side hugged him and said, I love you, Phil. And she said, I did that a couple times. And about the third time, he said, I love you too. And I was like, he did. It's a miracle. But so she said last night, she said, he does that every. Whether I say it or not. And I said, well, babe, you have worked a wonder in that man's life, you know, but. But it told me that it was in there because he's married to Christ. It's just behind the rough experience.

[Phil Robertson]

And that's what we're talking to because there's a lot of people out there listening who have been through different experiences. And we're talking about, as believers, there's always a capacity to make changes and to move forward and to get past things. It can happen to unbelievers. We get it sometimes until, you know, Christ, we're going to get to John 4, and there's a woman there, she's been divorced five times. She's living with a guy now who's not her wife, not her husband. And Jesus, like, brings her into something. I guarantee that woman's situation changed after that encounter with Jesus. And that's what we're saying. We're saying marriage is tough thing, but if you put it in the context of what we're talking about, you had this wedding and then you got the idea of the temple and then there's all this like fake, false front stuff that's going on that Jesus is going to clear out. We'll talk about the next podcast. Same thing with a relationship. Jace is right. The symmetry in the picture is too clear not to miss that. That's the way we should go.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. And we've talked about Christ, but there are worldly marriages that work. They don't even know Christ. And I use that for an example because they just have an arrangement. Because really this unmet expectations is really a big thing. And I see people, they basically have a business arrangement in their marriage and they get along. But if you want something that will impact the world the way God set this up, well, you get a dynamic Christ centered marriage and you have a lot of answers to give people this exact right.

[Lisa Robertson]

You know, it's funny, last night Phil tried to shake my hand before we left, and I wouldn't shake his. I said, I'm not shaking your hand.

[Phil Robertson]

He stuck his hand out, but I.

[Lisa Robertson]

Will hug your neck. And so I hugged him and I said, I love you. And of course he didn't say anything. So then we go into the. Well, we'll go. And we went into the living room. And so we're saying bye and I'm covering up Kay just to get her situated again. And I hugged her and told her I loved her. She told me she loved me. And then Phil's, you know, trying to get situated on the couch. So he gets on the couch and I said, I said, well, I love you, Phil. And he said, yeah, you too. So he didn't say I love you.

[Jase Robertson]

But you know, you planted the seed. Missy's proven it's possible.

[Lisa Robertson]

So I'm saying you guys have just got to start saying it more so that he can say it to y'all.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, we should.

[Phil Robertson]

We try. We're raised by Phil. All right. We're out of time, babe. It's always good to have you on the podcast. So we'll see you next time.

[Lisa Robertson]

I love you. Thanks.

[Phil Robertson]

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