Ep 1055 | Jase Preaches About Death to a Panicking Airplane Passenger & Why We Shouldn’t Kiss Fish

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Episode: Ep 1055 | Jase Preaches About Death to a Panicking Airplane Passenger & Why We Shouldn’t Kiss Fish
Release Date: March 12, 2025

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1. Dominating the Farmington Event

Jace Robertson kicks off the episode by sharing his experience at an event in Farmington, Arkansas. The Robertsons anticipated an attendance of around 1,500 men, but they were met with an overwhelming response that far exceeded expectations.

[02:00] Jace Robertson: "Unashamed Nation is alive and well. We took over the town..."

The venue, Brand New Church, was packed beyond capacity, transforming into a spiritual hub that left a significant impact on the attendees. This overwhelming turnout underscored the growing influence and reach of the Robertson family's ministry.

2. The Panicking Airplane Passenger

A pivotal moment in the episode revolves around Jace's encounter with a distressed passenger during a flight. The situation unfolded as follows:

[09:07] Jace Robertson: "He said, brother Jace, I'm having a panic attack..."

Faced with the passenger's anxiety, Jace attempted to comfort him by sharing his personal faith journey, emphasizing the resurrection of Jesus as a source of peace and hope. Despite his efforts, the passenger chose to take a pill to alleviate his panic, highlighting the challenges of conveying spiritual messages in moments of acute distress.

[10:44] Jace Robertson: "That sermon didn't work. We took a pill. I don't know what was in it..."

This incident not only showcased Jace's commitment to sharing the Gospel but also sparked a deeper discussion on the effectiveness and reception of faith-based interventions in crisis situations.

3. Reflections on Faith and Fear of Flying

The conversation naturally shifted to the theme of fear, particularly related to flying. Al Robertson and Zach Dasher shared their personal strategies for coping with turbulence, often turning to prayer and introspection.

[18:13] Al Robertson: "My last prayer is just before the wheels take off. I commit mind, soul, body and spirit to the Almighty."

Jace recounted his near-death experience during the aforementioned flight, detailing the sudden turbulence and the near-collision with another aircraft. This experience reinforced his belief in divine intervention and the importance of faith during moments of crisis.

[21:00] Jace Robertson: "And I said, see, you made it. And he said, well, I knew it was a sign that you were on here."

4. Theological Deep Dive: Baptism and the Holy Spirit

A significant portion of the episode delved into a theological discussion about baptism and its biblical interpretations. Jace and Zach explored the nuances of John 3 and 1 Peter 3, debating the symbolic and spiritual meanings behind water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

[33:10] Jace Robertson: "Baptism means nothing if there's no Jesus."

They examined the distinctions between water baptism as a ceremonial act versus the deeper spiritual baptism by the Holy Spirit, referencing passages like Romans 6 and Acts 19 to support their viewpoints.

[35:24] Jace Robertson: "It's a spiritual warfare verse. Which is why when I..."

Zach contributed by linking the discussion to the concept of the Trinity, emphasizing the interconnected roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the process of salvation and spiritual rebirth.

[38:45] Zach Dasher: "It's the spirit of God. Look, it's God coming in."

5. Engagement with Listeners and Community Impact

Throughout the episode, the Robertsons highlighted the positive feedback and engagement from their community. Zach recounted attending a men's retreat where attendees expressed their admiration and support for the podcast's mission.

[14:43] Jace Robertson: "It was a little shocking at how many young men at this retreat came up to me..."

This interaction underscored the podcast's role in inspiring and mobilizing young men to take active roles in their faith communities.

6. Light-Hearted Interactions and Personal Stories

Amidst the serious discussions, the episode featured moments of humor and personal anecdotes. Jace shared a humorous story about his attempt to differentiate himself from fellow speaker Jimmy Houston by telling a fishing-related sermon, which initially fell flat but ultimately lightened the mood.

[29:17] Jace Robertson: "Here's what I do. My story's a little more complicated than a bumper sticker line."

These lighter moments provided a balance to the theological debates, showcasing the Robertson family's personable and relatable nature.

7. Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Discussions

As the episode wrapped up, Jace emphasized the importance of understanding the deeper spiritual messages within the Bible, particularly focusing on transitional periods and the unfolding of divine plans.

[55:46] Jace Robertson: "Snakes on a pole are going to lead the next podcast because of Jason's rabbit hole."

The hosts hinted at future discussions that would continue to explore complex theological themes, promising listeners more in-depth analysis and engaging storytelling.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jace Robertson [02:00]: "Unashamed Nation is alive and well. We took over the town..."

• Jace Robertson [09:07]: "He said, brother Jace, I'm having a panic attack..."

• Al Robertson [18:13]: "My last prayer is just before the wheels take off. I commit mind, soul, body and spirit to the Almighty."

• Jace Robertson [33:10]: "Baptism means nothing if there's no Jesus."

• Zach Dasher [38:45]: "It's the spirit of God. Look, it's God coming in."

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This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family masterfully blends personal stories with profound theological discussions, offering listeners both inspiration and thoughtful insights into the Christian faith. The Robertson family's commitment to sharing the Gospel extends beyond traditional settings, reaching into everyday moments and challenging situations, thereby living up to the podcast's mission of being unashamed in their faith.

Transcript

[Jace Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Al Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. Jace has already previewed that he will need much editing today because he hasn't slept.

[Jace Robertson]

Been a blur, Al. Been a blur.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

You make. I love it.

[Al Robertson]

Jace comes in on two wheels on Monday to record because I never know what's going to happen. Zach.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, he said. He came in and said hand that his coffee cup or his mug there. What is that a thermos To Maddie and said I made the coffee too strong this morning. Which that right there told me. I don't know what's in that because every time I've ever drinking any coffee you've made, I've thought this is the strongest coffee I've ever had. So for you to say it's too strong, I don't even know what that means.

[Al Robertson]

It's the new bitter.

[Jace Robertson]

As my dad used to say. This coffee would make you do a Russian tap dance. Of which I replied, have you ever been to Russia, Phil? Because I have. And he. What's that got to do with it?

[Al Robertson]

And have you ever tat dance? Because I don't think he's ever done that.

[Jace Robertson]

Laughing at my jokes this morning. That's good.

[Al Robertson]

That's what I'm saying. You're from.

[Zach Dasher]

You came in.

[Al Robertson]

That was intensely funny.

[Jace Robertson]

I wanted to give an announcement because I did a little event in an obscure place in Arkansas, Farmington, which you.

[Al Robertson]

Mentioned it on the podcast.

[Jace Robertson]

I thought. I didn't mention it.

[Al Robertson]

No, you did.

[Jace Robertson]

Which I know I did.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And let me tell you something I remember. Unashamed Nation is alive and well. We took over the town. They had the biggest building within a few miles there and they were expecting. I think they were expecting 1500 men. But because that's all it would hold. But we exceeded.

[Al Robertson]

You were standing room only.

[Jace Robertson]

It just. It was hard to describe. And they were going to do a meet and greet and what happened was the backstory on this. This is funny. The name of the church is called Brand new church, which I liked because I was like, what are you going to call it in 10 years?

[Al Robertson]

They said 10 year old church.

[Jace Robertson]

Which is funny because the pastors and, you know, they had weird haircuts and all. But who am I to speak about the way some.

[Zach Dasher]

You mean like weird like country boys.

[Jace Robertson]

Or like hip hipster have on the.

[Al Robertson]

Little elf boots and the.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, that's the thing now. I don't know, I don't usually wear.

[Zach Dasher]

I got a pair of those. I got a pair of them boots.

[Al Robertson]

No, you fit right into this thing I'm talking about. Yeah. Cuz you can sing in the elf.

[Jace Robertson]

Boots as you're slowly morphing into J.D. vance's body double. When I first sat down, I looked and I thought, oh, I didn't know J.D. vance was on the podcast.

[Al Robertson]

There you go. Welcome, Mr. Vice President. We're so glad to have you today.

[Zach Dasher]

Good to be here.

[Jace Robertson]

We welcome J.D. vance today. Oh, no, sorry. That was that. So I get up there and they were always talking to them. They said, well, we had two wrestlers coming. They were. And then they fell through. So we decided to go with you and Jimmy Houston. You know Jimmy Houston, the laugher. Here's what's funny, Al. We had a guy I didn't even.

[Al Robertson]

Know Jimmy Houston was still around. How old is Jimmy Houston?

[Jace Robertson]

I hate to say this, I googled it to see if he was still alive. It didn't sound right. I'm saying he looks like he did 20 years ago, you know, and boy, he was cackling and.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

So I thought, are we. Are we going to wrestle or. I asked him that.

[Al Robertson]

You think you could still do the DDT from the old days?

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, yeah. They were giving away a boat. And I mean, this boat, it wasn't.

[Al Robertson]

Like a john that's up in boat territory. They make up. Most of the boats in America are made up in Northwest, I would guess.

[Jace Robertson]

This boat had to have cost 40, $50,000. And so when I got on stage, I went and looked at it because I couldn't believe it. I thought, they're giving this away. And I looked at it and went, hmm, doesn't have a paddle in it. I mean, you would think a $50,000 boat or whatever it costs, come with a paddle. So I segued into. When I was a kid, we were up a creek without a boat. Nobody laughed. I thought it was funny.

[Al Robertson]

But another one of those lines that didn't land.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, you're striking out quite a bit at these.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. But it didn't Matter because the electricity in that room was off the charts. They were excited to be, I thought, you know.

[Al Robertson]

Did you ask them how many listen the podcast?

[Jace Robertson]

No. What happened was during the VIP meet and greet, that turned into just a thousand people rushing toward where I was standing in about 10 seconds. So it went from that to, we got to get out of here. The meet and greet was a 45 minute walk through the crowd of trying to get back out. There's too many people, you know, and. But they all listened to the podcast.

[Al Robertson]

Wow.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, every one of that was the first line. So it made me feel good. I thought, man, we took over that town last night. I mean, it was hooping and hollering and so the guys were, they were like, now what are you going to do on your altar call? I was, I was making them nervous, you know, I was like, well, you had two wrestlers coming. What were they going to do? Come on, come down front, I'll give you a ddt. And I was like, y'all handle that. I was like, we're trying to make disciples of Jesus. I'm going to introduce Jesus. And so I thought, I thought it went really well. I mean, it was fantastic. So it was a blur. We took that place over. I feel good about, about our listeners. A lot of young people, a lot of young men, I mean, young men saying, let's, let's go.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So encouraging.

[Jace Robertson]

They said they had over 200, you know, responses, so of like first time declarations of making Jesus their Lord. So I felt really good about that. But the whole weekend was just filled with moment, weird moments. And I'll tell you one, I bumped into a guy in Atlanta and he said, I go to Yalls Church. I mean, this guy. And I can say this, he looked rough. And I realized how I look. This guy looked rough. And I thought, you look like you fit right in at our church because I obviously didn't wreck.

[Al Robertson]

What you mean is he looked rougher than you.

[Jace Robertson]

And he said, I'm taking this as a sign. He said, my, my first flight was the first time I've ever been on an airplane. And I was like, was it smooth or. He's always smooth. He said, but I had two other members of the church and I figured, you know, it was God. He was like going play by play.

[Al Robertson]

People tell me that all the time when they're on the plane. They're like, oh, I'm so glad you're on here. Well, and it's like, do you think I have some special insight into this.

[Jace Robertson]

This is where this is going. So he said, what seat are you sitting in? Which I was a little nervous because I thought, we're getting too close for comfort. Are you sure you're a member there? You know. But I went ahead and looked it up. I'm in 2A. And he's like, well, I'm in 3A. I'm behind you. I said, oh, okay. So I forgot about that conversation because I was having multiple conversations. I met this young woman who was awesome for the Lord, but she was friends with the gymnast that we had on. Remember when we had the gymnast from the Olympics, Brody Malone? Talked to her for 20 minutes. Awesome human being and loves the Lord. And so, you know, multiple conversations. So we get on a flight from Atlanta back, and it. To say it was bumpy is an understatement. Of course, I'm not noticing. It was nothing.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Out of the ordinary. Well, I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden I see this hand from the seat in front of me start coming back. And I was friends. I used to play ball with a guy that was sitting to the right of me. Him and his wife. I'd never met his wife. So we were been chatting. Well, she looks at me and kind of like, what's wrong with this guy? Because the hand is like, in between me. We were talking, and it's like, in between us. And I'm like, man, this guy, I'm not flexible. He's just. I thought it was a stretch that wouldn't end trying to hold your hand. I didn't know what was going on because it was him bumping. So finally this fella turned around. Well, it was the same guy who I guess got moved in front of me. There was only one seat in front of me.

[Al Robertson]

He's in 1A.

[Jace Robertson]

He's in 1A. And he turned around and he said, brother Jace, I'm having a panic attack. And I thought, he wants me to hold his hand. And I thought, we're grown men here. I'm not holding his hand. I said, hey, it's going to be all right. And he said, what should I do? And I just. I looked up and saw the stewardesses. They're up there standing, talking to each other. I said, look at the stewardesses. I said, when you see them, they're chatting.

[Al Robertson]

You're good.

[Jace Robertson]

When you see them in the fetal position, that's when it's time for your panic attack. I was like, they're standing there talking. This is normal.

[Al Robertson]

That's right.

[Jace Robertson]

And he was like, oh, okay. And so then I just thought, you know what? He said? He goes to our church. I said, I just gave him a sermon. I said, at some point you've got to realize, am I going to believe in this or not? I was like, jesus was raised from the dead. This is. I mean, we're either going to believe it or not. And I kind of told him my story about I used to be scared of flying until I had an emergency landing. Because in that free fall after the oil pump went out, I felt at peace. I thought, well, this is where it all ends, you know, so let's go home, be with the Lord and pass it on to the next generation to share Jesus. I told him that story. So I thought, now I got him lined out. He said, well, can I get up? And I thought, oh, he's fixed to preach a sermon. I said, sure. I think they'll let you stand up. I mean, even though it was buckled, I just thought, I don't think anybody.

[Al Robertson]

So now he's put you in charge of this aircraft.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Al Robertson]

I mean, whatever you say is going.

[Jace Robertson]

He stood up and got in his bag and he got a pill, you know, oh, well, we're back to drugs now.

[Al Robertson]

He's back in the recovery house.

[Jace Robertson]

That sermon didn't work. We took a pill. I don't know what was in it, but sat back down. I said, well, that didn't work.

[Al Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

Then when we landed, prayer won't work.

[Al Robertson]

Just find a pill.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, we landed. And I said, see, you made it. And he said, well, I knew it was a sign that you were on here. And I said, you got to remember something. It could have been a sign that me and you, it was our time to go.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And so this fellow's wife next to me, she said, I'm so glad you didn't say that. Mid flight.

[Zach Dasher]

I do the same thing, though. I look up at the flight attendants when it gets. When it gets rough. I'm. I look at their faces and I see how are they reacting?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Al Robertson]

Which is really just testing their professionalism because I'm sure they're trained to always look calm. Yeah, you're right. I'm the exact same way. But the last. Every time I fly, it's just, you know, something I do.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm trying to figure out, where did you fly into?

[Jace Robertson]

You flew into said northwest Arkansas.

[Al Robertson]

Yes, that one up in Bentonville.

[Jace Robertson]

Now, granted your mind right now, because I know how your mind works. You're the apologetics, connecting the dot.

[Al Robertson]

Why would a man fly to Atlanta.

[Jace Robertson]

To Atlanta, when I could have flown to Dallas, which is technically closer.

[Al Robertson]

Right.

[Jace Robertson]

And that's a good question. My team makes the schedule, and I go with it. I'm sure it had something to do.

[Al Robertson]

With my arrival, timing of flights.

[Jace Robertson]

And so there you go.

[Zach Dasher]

I flew into. I flew into Arkansas this weekend, too. So we missed each other, but it was a rough.

[Al Robertson]

Do you find a little rock?

[Zach Dasher]

I flew in little Rock.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

You know what, Zach? I actually had about, I'd say, five people in the line say, where's Zach? I was like, hey, me and him, we. We have a relationship that if I drive by his house, I blow the horn. I don't stop him. We don't travel together. We have an estrang.

[Al Robertson]

It's.

[Jace Robertson]

It's cell phones. It's via Satellite.

[Zach Dasher]

It's a. Yeah, it's a complicated. It's complicated.

[Al Robertson]

It's a long mess.

[Zach Dasher]

It's just, it's not bad, but it's complicated. I was in, I was in my old stomping grounds where I went to college at. In Searcy. I went to a men's retreat there that the church that you guys go to put on. So some of my old college buddies, I miss a men's retreat. So I was very surprised at how many young men at this retreat came up to me and, and, and said I just, I listen to the podcast. I love what you guys are doing. Like, I mean it was, it was a little shocking at how many. So there is a. I think Arkansas. Like you said this before the podcast, Jace, if it all goes down, we just need to.

[Jace Robertson]

If it all goes down, I'm gonna run for mayor in a little town called Farmington. Look, I looked up the demographics. There was only 7,000 people that lived there and we had couple thousand men.

[Al Robertson]

I mean so they were coming in from all around.

[Jace Robertson]

Do the math. Two third. I mean was that a third of the town or almost half? So. But I think there were some from a little. Just the area. But boy, you talking about fired up for the Lord. The one guy said, no, the dynamic of your podcast is good. He's like, you got Al. He's the good guy. He said, you got, you. You're the bad guy. I said, wait a minute. Well, I've been redeemed by the blood of the lamb. What are you talking about, a bad guy?

[Al Robertson]

This guy is spot on. Cuz the dynamic of the podcast, you.

[Zach Dasher]

Got to have a good.

[Al Robertson]

You got to have, you got to have a villain.

[Jace Robertson]

And so then I couldn't. I thought we were going good, bad and ugly here. But he got to Zach didn't go ugly. He said, and then you got the okay guy.

[Al Robertson]

Okay.

[Jace Robertson]

And I said, you know what the Bible calls that? He said, what? I said, luke Warren. But he didn't get it. So I had to look it up and read it to him. I said, no, that created a vomit from the Lord.

[Zach Dasher]

For whatever reason, though I, I do hear a lot. They said, you, you need to tell Jace to lighten up on you and.

[Al Robertson]

They start feeling sorry for you.

[Zach Dasher]

Z, I, I have tapped into the victim.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, you're the pity part of the.

[Jace Robertson]

That was my point that we got into that. I said, see, lukewarm is bad. I was like, if you have an emotional response towards somebody, that means you love them.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

But if you just don't care. That's the lowest form, which I'm always.

[Zach Dasher]

I'd be really uncomfortable. I think it would make me really uncomfortable if you started, like, being real, like, affirming and like. Yeah, I think I would feel like that would sit right.

[Jace Robertson]

It's kind of like my dad, you know, when he started struggling mentally. Well, some. Some of the struggles, like, produced a side of him that no one had ever seen. And like, he. He told my wife, I shared this before, that he loved her, you know, and boy, she cried and. And so she told me the story when it first happened because I wasn't there. And my response was, that's disturbing.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And she was like, what? Can't believe it was a moment for her.

[Al Robertson]

You just like, poop, babe.

[Jace Robertson]

He is not doing well when he's telling you he loves you, you know, But I do think it was good. I mean, I think, you know, the Holy Spirit is there and one of the fruits of the spirit is love. And so. Hey, we'll take it.

[Al Robertson]

So. So here's my. For those of you out there that are afraid of flying, because I fly all the time and I don't like it either, just being up there. But my last prayer is just before the wheels take off. As I commit mind, soul, body and spirit to the Almighty. It's yours to take as you will, to leave as you want. I mean, so I'm just doing your will if you decide to go out in the blaze of glory. Now, I'm not as bad as Willie because Willie says that he wants to be the guy that's like, Willie Robertson died in a plane crash with four others. He said he always wants to be the headliner.

[Zach Dasher]

And then every time I fly with him, he reminds me.

[Jace Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

He said, if this plane goes down.

[Jace Robertson]

He'S like, that just proves that despite the fact that Willie's no longer growing, the head continues to expand.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah, I mean, he says, and he includes me in that.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, let me push now.

[Al Robertson]

You'll be one of the four others. I said, well, thanks.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, let me push back a little bit on this fear of flying. You know, I had. I actually had a near death experience during this encounter to Arkansas. And so that's where you were on the. Yeah, I went to northwest Arkansas. Well, here's what happened. One of the.

[Al Robertson]

This time I thought you.

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, yeah, this time I didn't even bring that up. You know why? Because I think your commitment is our commitment. No, nobody's promising you. I mean, you know, the doctor tells you you got three weeks to live. And you're like, that's so shocking. Well, why. At some point. We all got three weeks to live.

[Al Robertson]

We will be three weeks away at some point.

[Jace Robertson]

I'm getting into my speech here. I like it, but. So what happened was we land in Atlanta the first time, and we're. What do they call it? Taxiing, Which. There's no taxi involved, so I don't know why we're calling it taxiing. Maybe Zach can shed some light on that. To our little place, what they call that terminal. Terminal, yeah.

[Al Robertson]

Gate at the terminal, which is another bad word.

[Jace Robertson]

I was kidding. I hesitated on purpose. We're now calling this the terminal, which is not a shock, because we all are. And so all of a sudden, the stewardess is like, thanks for, you know, flying. If we. Good luck on your. She's mid sentence and taking the bags. It'll be at the little place, you know, and all of a sudden. Because it doesn't look like you're going fast when you're taxing, but you're going faster than you think. Whoever is now taxing instead of flying. When I say he slammed on the brakes, everybody went from back. Which is why they always say, keep your seat belt. My head hit the seat in front of me. Just come home.

[Al Robertson]

Because you had taken your seatbelt.

[Jace Robertson]

And my neck has been sore since then. We slam on the brakes because there was a plane landing in front of us that two seconds after he stomped on the brakes. Came by at about a Honda. Mile per hour.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And that was after. He's screeching. So it's like, you see these little things that have been happening with air. Yeah. Lighting, misses.

[Al Robertson]

Something's going on.

[Jace Robertson]

So here's what I'm pushing back on. Disregard the stewardess. Because she never skipped a beat. I mean, there was one slight pause because her head probably hit in front of her, but it was like. And enjoy your journey as we go on. And I'm like, we literally almost died. And she never broke. We're here, we're landing. Have a great weekend. Despite the fact that we all just almost crashed into an incoming plane. That was two seconds away. It was two seconds. The plane came in front of us. I was like, good call. Not going out there. I'm fit have been on a cell phone or whatever. So that happened.

[Al Robertson]

Jase, they have a lot of songs about the heart. When's the last time you heard a song about the liver?

[Jace Robertson]

No songs about liver. And it's quite important to your existence above ground.

[Al Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

I mean, I'm just saying either we're going to, I mean, we're only one moment away from that happening, but we just don't. We think, oh, no, it's not going to happen to me. Oh, yeah, it almost happened. And it wasn't even, didn't even make the news.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, unless someone filmed it from.

[Al Robertson]

Outside, somebody had a video of it.

[Jace Robertson]

That's exactly. I don't think they did, but because, I mean, I kind of looked around at everybody. I didn't see a phone up, but I thought, you know, what about your guy?

[Al Robertson]

Did your guy realize that, that just.

[Jace Robertson]

No, different flight.

[Al Robertson]

Okay.

[Jace Robertson]

Different flight. Oh, yeah. He would have never flown.

[Al Robertson]

He'd have taken somebody who knows this person that was on your flight told me yesterday. So. And so whoever the guy is, is, you know, he He's. He's a member here. He's on the flight with Jay's. I can't wait to hear that story.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, I just told that story. I was trying to hold my hand. We had an intervention mid flight. Well, here's what's funny. The guy that got me and Jimmy Houston up there used to go to our church. I hadn't seen him in 15 years, really. And my assistant was like, he's gonna pick us up. This is funny. This is embarrassing, but it's funny. It won't offend him. He's a great guy. So he picks us up. He's telling stories about. You know, he's like, your dad baptized me. And I was like, really? You know, and so we get. He gets us to the hotel. He's like, gonna come back, take us to the event. But as soon as we got out of the truck, we were walking in. She's like, that's so neat that your friend y'all are meeting up. I said, I've never seen that guy before in my life. But, you know, people's anatomy and look change in 15 years. I mean, I just said, I have never seen this gu. I called Missy. I was like, you ever heard. And I said his name. I don't want to say his name because I don't want to embarrass him, but. And so she's like, let me look him up. And so she looked him up on Facebook, and she said, babe, you're going to find this very disturbing and embarrassing. She looked him up? Well, he actually sent me a text on Facebook, and I responded. He was like, man, great sermon today. You know? And I was like, hey, you know, if they don't hire you, they can't fire you. The Lord is good. I was like, the fact that she found me because I haven't been on social media in so long, I was like. She's like, you know him, babe. Apologize. And so then later, he brought his wife. Well, you know, it's funny. I remembered her because she was just a unique person, has a unique personality. And I was like, dude, I did not recognize. I did not think that was you. But it was great. We had a fun time and lots of good stories with them. Because then all of a sudden, I start remembering. I mean, I actually went out to eat at a restaurant with these people and didn't remember it, so it was a blur. But he lined it up, and look, what a success. He looks like a genius around there. I mean, he doesn't, like, work for the Church. He just said, oh, y'all need somebody to get. I got. I got a. Because he organized an event for me and Jimmy Houston 15 years ago, and he said, you couldn't stick another person in it. I'm telling you, it'll work.

[Al Robertson]

Well, maybe you and Jimmy need to be a duo. Maybe I'll.

[Jace Robertson]

I love that guy.

[Al Robertson]

On the road with Jason.

[Zach Dasher]

Jimmy. To have Jimmy on the podcast, we.

[Jace Robertson]

Really should have him on there. Oh, my first story was, you know, because he kisses the fish. That's his signature moment. And so I said. When I got up and spoke, I said, you know what the difference is in me and Jimmy Houston is it was just crickets because he had just done a 20 minute Q&A and I did a 40 minute sermon. But he's a believer.

[Al Robertson]

You know, he's a good guy.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. And so I said, he kisses fish and throws them back. I said, here's what I do. My story's a little more complicated than a bumper sticker line. I said, I catch fish. He mainly catches bass. I catch crappie. I said, and then I. And I told him out of my brother's pond in secret. And then I filet the crappie. And then I gave them the recipe of how I cook them. So then I cook the crappie. Then I tell my wife, I said, the crappie is ready. We eat. No, we eat the crappie. And then they're so good. She's feeling so good that she married a wilderness man who can provide. I said, and then I kissed my wife intimately.

[Al Robertson]

Oh, my gosh. You were doing good.

[Jace Robertson]

It was a man's group, Al. I said, look, I just.

[Al Robertson]

You had me until you put intimately.

[Jace Robertson]

And so they all. They all laughed. And look, then I said, we just fixed your marriage in one story.

[Al Robertson]

Don't kiss a fish. Kiss your wife.

[Jace Robertson]

There you go.

[Zach Dasher]

I was at a minute. I was at a men's retreat with the inventor of the crappie magnet.

[Jace Robertson]

I love that dude.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

I'm actually going to see him and where he's got some guys in a Bible school lined up and we're gonna.

[Al Robertson]

He's a fantastic guy. We've been. We've been doing stuff with him for what, 25 years?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, he's awesome. I think you can say his name. He don't care.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, the trout magnet. He does all the.

[Al Robertson]

The check his products.

[Jace Robertson]

He's one of the few people on this planet. When he asked me to do something, which is not very often, I go do it because he loves Jesus and he loves people. So, all right, we're gonna talk about the Bible.

[Al Robertson]

Let's get to the Bible.

[Jace Robertson]

We've had a lot of nuggets, but I thought you'd find that entertaining, if not inspiring, that honest.

[Al Robertson]

We always. Even though Missy says they're not interesting, we love hearing about your tray.

[Jace Robertson]

We took over that town for the Lord.

[Zach Dasher]

Took it over. Do you stay at a hotel room?

[Jace Robertson]

I did. Out the middle of nowhere. It was cold. Couldn't figure out how to get the heat on. I was in there. It was 80.

[Al Robertson]

I never turned the heat on in a hotel. It's too hot.

[Jace Robertson]

Then it was about 40 degrees outside and the wind was howling, and I couldn't figure out how to get it on. So there you go. I had a film.

[Al Robertson]

I'm not skinny enough yet to be. Need a heater on.

[Jace Robertson]

But I was only. I was only there three or four hours, and then we moved on. I told my assistant. I was like, look, when you make these schedules, allow for some sleep time. But anyway, let's go.

[Al Robertson]

All right, we're in. John 3 is where we left off. And I'm not exactly sure it's been a.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, I went down a rabbit hole about the.

[Al Robertson]

We've been in so many of your rabbit holes. I'm not exactly sure I know. One thing we didn't get to last time was this story about the. That Jesus puts in about the lifting up the snake in the desert, the bronze snake.

[Jace Robertson]

And the medical world made a. Emblem out of that, even today.

[Al Robertson]

That's right.

[Jace Robertson]

Because, you know, healing and. Because. Look out. I've looked this up. When you go back and read the story. Where is it? Numbers 20.

[Al Robertson]

Numbers 21.

[Jace Robertson]

21.

[Al Robertson]

Look at there.

[Jace Robertson]

I was close. Numbers 21.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah. I want to read it because it's.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, I feel like we left off on the.

[Zach Dasher]

You left off on the. Born of water and spirit.

[Jace Robertson]

Born of water.

[Al Robertson]

We were talking about that.

[Jace Robertson]

The whole point was the spirit was going to be introduced, right? Because he then says, talking about the wind in verse 6, flesh gives birth to flesh, but the spirit gives birth to the spirit. Which I made the point. If you think that this was a reference to the Israelites being freed, the Exodus, with the partying of the Red Sea and the wind blowing. If you agree with me on that, then the flesh gives birth to flesh. I thought was a reference to, okay, you're born an Israelite, but I'm introducing a way to be born again where there's neither Jewish nor Gentile.

[Al Robertson]

And we talked about the variant definition of that. Being born from above, which is an even better description of what happened.

[Jace Robertson]

So then he. But then he says, you should not be surprised at my saying, you must be born again. But he was surprised, but he's like, I'm bringing a new, I think Exodus, a new lifestyle.

[Al Robertson]

You brought in the idea of the Exodus and then, which I thought the tie in was what Paul was talking about in First Corinthians 10 when he uses the word baptized there with the clouds over him. The water's on each side of him. And he saw it as this symbolic walking through water, coming into freedom.

[Jace Robertson]

And don't give me, don't misinterpret. I could be wrong about this.

[Al Robertson]

I think you're right.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. Well, I appreciate it, but I could be wrong, but I will say this baptism is not the point.

[Al Robertson]

No.

[Jace Robertson]

So. And it. And it's still not right.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

The point.

[Al Robertson]

Which is why I think he goes to the Bronze Snake, by the way.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, exactly. Yeah. The language, the language in 1st Peter 3 is just so helpful for me. When you start thinking about baptism, I think if you get focused on like the physical act of it, and I do think there is some kind of sacramental in the debate. Is baptism a sacrament, which means, is it a means of grace or is it an ordinance? Meaning? Is it a expression of grace? I think it's maybe a little bit of both, honestly.

[Jace Robertson]

And see, when you start breaking it down like this, I start getting lost. But I think most religious people know what you're talking about.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I mean, we grew up in a church that the question was always, well, when the question it was like, do you have to be baptized to be saved?

[Jace Robertson]

Well, but put it in context. They also like put. It's like they focused on baptism instead of Jesus. And so I was out on that just from the get go. I was like, you can't. Baptism means nothing.

[Al Robertson]

We can't go to the end of a process and then just say, there you go.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, yeah, but let me finish my sentence because baptism means nothing if there's no Jesus. What do we. It's a response to Jesus. It's link. I mean, that's why Paul said Christ didn't send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel. That's First Corinthians 1:17. Why would he say that right now? Granted, they were putting their faith in who was doing the baptizing. But look, it's not dissimilar to what happens next. We're skipping ahead from the snake here. But then they have this big controversy in the same chapter because John is baptizing and then Jesus disciples are baptizing people and they're like, hey, Jesus, John's.

[Al Robertson]

Disciples are like, what's going on?

[Jace Robertson]

Well, he's baptizing more than you. Well, we have a conflict on who's baptizing more people, which is similar to what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 1. And then you remember the famous story in Acts 19. I say famous may not be that famous. You remember when now the Holy Spirit has been poured out. Jews and Gentiles have heard about Jesus and been baptized in water. And then all of a sudden they run across the people that had not even heard of the Holy Spirit. This is Acts 19. And they said, well, what baptism did you receive? And they said, well, John's baptism. So, so you ran across a group of people who had only been baptized by John. They. They didn't. They missed the memo on Jesus came, was crucified, resurrected. Which to us, that seems weird. But look, you got to remember, these people, they didn't have cell phones and.

[Al Robertson]

They'Re just wandering around.

[Jace Robertson]

Remember that guy, Jesus, you were baptized, saying he was coming. Not only did he come, he came back from the dead. And they're like, wait, what? But you remember how that closed in Acts 19 on hearing this? They baptized them in the name of the Lord Jesus. It means something. Why is that story in there? Based on John 3. 22 and following which they were saying Jesus was baptizing people. But then John 4. One just has this little thought that says the Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than. Than John, although in fact, it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. But that's the end of that controversy, which we'll get to. So it gets. This is. This is a weird thing to navigate.

[Al Robertson]

It's always hard to talk. It's always hard to talk about things during a transitional period, which is what this is, because we're reading the whole story, but we're trying to figure out what they were thinking in the moment of as things were happening.

[Zach Dasher]

That's a good point. It is a transitional period. And I think really, we don't have the. I'll say the faith that we live in now really didn't. Wasn't like inaugurated until Acts 2. That's right, until the Holy Spirit came. So this is. And so the death of Jesus had not occurred yet. The burial had not occurred yet. The resurrection had not occurred yet in this text. But I go Back to Matthew 3, when John the Baptist says, I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize you with the Spirit. And so I think this is connected to the baptism of the Spirit, which is not, in my opinion, in Scripture. It's not. That doesn't mean speaking in tongues. I think what he's talking about here is what's going to happen in Acts chapter two. But the picture that you get in. In this, John, pass this passage in John here. Nicodemus. We connected it in the last episode that we talked about this to. I think you connected it to the Red Sea. The Jordan river also parted whenever Joshua passed through. Peter connects it. You connected it with creation, which is great. And then Peter connects it with the waters of the days of Noah. Talking about baptism, when the. What it says through that Water, they were saved. And so I think the idea that you should kind of get in your mind is that you're passing through death into life. And so that picture of the Red Sea is probably the best picture. That Israel goes through the Red Sea and it swallows up, like, all of the enemy. And so that's the picture of baptism. And so it's the physical act of water baptism. It's a physical act of the baptism of the spirit. So it's a tangible expression of that. And I think.

[Jace Robertson]

I think that's a good line. I mean, because, look, I wanted to interject a couple things, just put the snakes on hold because now he's introduced a can of snakes. So I feel like I'm going to.

[Al Robertson]

Get to the snake. But you feel like.

[Jace Robertson]

I feel like we need to say this, though, because this is why this is so confusing. He just read what John the Baptist said. And what'd you say? Matthew 3. I'm taking your Matthew 3.

[Zach Dasher]

I think it's Matthew 3, Matthew 3.

[Jace Robertson]

So he's like, I baptize you with water. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. But then when you get to John 3. 5, he's telling Nicodemus, well, unless you're born of water and the spirit, you know, I'm said, that's why this is so confusing, because I agreed with what Zach said. I do think when he was talking about that it is the pouring out of the spirit. And what makes this more confusing is when he gets to John 7. I'm gonna read this because we have to in this moment. Cause we're reading John 3 and he says, he starts talking about this spirit. Everyone born of the spirit. It's like the wind. You shouldn't surprised that I'm saying you need to be born again. Well, watch what he Sundays. In John 7:37, on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, if anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the scriptures have said, streams of living water will flow from within him. So let's just stop. What is he saying? What is he talking about? When you start reading this, your mind kind of goes dull. If you're like me and you're like, wait a minute, he's got an illustration about if you're thirsty, come to me. What's obviously kind of a metaphor. And he's like, if only John would.

[Al Robertson]

Tell us what he meant.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, that's where I was going. So John realizes you're having trouble with this, like wrapping your brain around this. Kind of like John 4 with the woman at the well. He's like, I'll give you living water. What is this water you speak? Because we got to have water. Why? Or you'll die. Where there's no water, there's no life.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

So then he says in verse 39, by this, he meant the spirit, whom those who believed in him, this is a very key phrase, were later to receive upon. Up to that time, the spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not.

[Al Robertson]

Yet been glorified, which is the resurrection.

[Jace Robertson]

Now, look, whatever you may think I'm an idiot for giving you this. This idea about saying Jesus in the context with Nicodemus was, I think, going back to something in Israel's history. What that is, we can debate about. I threw out the Red Sea and the old Exodus, symbolizing the new Exodus, because he's saying, you're Israel's teacher. He brings up Moses and the snakes. But he also. There was one point I forgot to say last time is when he says in verse seven, you should not be surprised at me saying, you must be born again. Well, look, there's a little letter beside the word you. And when you go down and look at it in your margins, it says the Greek is plural. Yeah, well, that's where I'm getting the idea of this. This is Israel. He's speaking to your Israel heritage. Don't you think that's weird? Like, you. Well, Nicodemus is looking around because whatever that was in their language in the.

[Al Robertson]

South, in the south, we'd say y'all. That meant y'all.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, he's looking around and thought. Said. I thought we were having a conversation. Mano Imano, why are you saying you. I'd look around, say, who you talking about? But that's why I think it's the Israel heritage.

[Zach Dasher]

We call that y'all.

[Al Robertson]

That's y'all. That's it.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, but. Which is interesting because you go to the very next chapter and it's almost like, okay, now I just had this conversation with Israel. Now I'm going to go have this conversation with the Samaritan woman. And he kind of says the same exact thing, right? You gotta be born of water and spirit. You know, you gotta. You need living water. Jase, do you wish you could have invested in the stock market last year when investors scored the highest profits in decades?

[Jace Robertson]

I do, and I did.

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[Al Robertson]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's certainly been times in my Lisa's life when debt has so crushed us that not only could we not think about investing, we were trying to out how we're just going to go month to month and pay our bills.

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[Jace Robertson]

And that's why I said that I don't think baptism is as, as important when you read this, because his point was the spirit of God is coming and I'm going to baptize you with it. I'm going to pour it out on human beings so that they can get it. That's why I read the John 7. And then when you tie that in with John 14, 15 and 16, he, he even goes further than that. He's like, not only am I not going to leave you as orphans, I'm going to leave the spirit, give you the spirit. And then remember, he calls it counselor, comforter, helper, whatever your translation. That's the. We're back to the Paracletus, you know, and he said, he'll be in you. He'll dwell in you. I mean, and we'll make our home with you through the spirit. I mean, it goes.

[Zach Dasher]

So that's why, that's why I never like to question, do I have to get baptized to be. I'm like, what do you, what do you mean?

[Al Robertson]

It's a baptized.

[Jace Robertson]

Now we're tracking. Now we're tracking. I'm like, what an opportunity. And I think that's why baptism is so controversial, because it is commanded in Matthew 28. Because I don't like it when people say, well, let's go do it, because Jesus commanded it. Go into all nations and baptize them. But I'm like, you're missing the power of what's happening here. We're talking about new Exodus, new creation, the Holy Spirit being poured out. Somebody's like, well, he said to do it, so let's do it.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, we made a point. Yeah, we made a point. On the Not yet now podcast, Jill said something about baptism, and somebody commented, are you saying you have to be baptized to be saved? Question, question, question mark. I'm like, you're missing the point of what Jesus is doing here. I mean, this is way bigger than that kind of question. It's, like, way bigger. And I think that, like, what hits home is the very next chapter, which we'll get into in another podcast. But if you think about what Jesus says to the Samaritan woman when connected with the Spirit, he says, think about it. She has to go to this well. Probably. I don't know how often you'd have to go to the well and draw water, but she brings the water back to her little hut or wherever she lived. And you can imagine that bucket of water throughout the week just loses its volume as she uses it. And she's got to go back, and it's the same thing over and over and over and over again. And just same thing.

[Al Robertson]

Just like when you were flushing the toilets during the hurricane. Right?

[Zach Dasher]

I got to keep going out to the pool, get a bucket of water.

[Jace Robertson]

I'm really compelled by the spirit of God right now to do a rabbit hole in 1st Peter 3. Can we not do it, Al?

[Al Robertson]

All right. You gotta hold that, though. I gotta get in my numbers point.

[Jace Robertson]

Do you want to do the numbers, or do you want to do the rabbit hole in 1st Peter 3? I have a rabbit hole.

[Zach Dasher]

Let me say this first, though, because I want to make this point. I think it's key to everything that we talk about the temple. There is a connection to what's happening here and the temple. Just as she had to go to the well to replenish her water, so Israel had to go to the temple to atone for their sins over and over and over again. The picture that's being painted here is that you will now be the temple. Why will you be the temple? Because the Holy Spirit, now the presence of God, would now live in people, which is why Jesus says to her, if you drink the water that I give, you will never be thirsty again. The water that I give him will become in him a spring of water, water welling up to eternal life, which he goes on to define in John 17:3 as an intimate relationship with him.

[Al Robertson]

So you're saying that's the spirit of God?

[Zach Dasher]

It's the spirit of God. Look, it's God coming in.

[Al Robertson]

All right, so since I'm a good guy, you're a bad guy. Can you make your rabbit hole point in five minutes?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Al Robertson]

So much. All right, go for it.

[Jace Robertson]

Look, I'll say what he's saying is what I'm saying. I think the reason we have so many disagreements on baptism is because of what he just got through saying. I don't think we realize what it is because people say, well, it can't be something you're doing because Jesus saves you 100%, which I think we all agree on. But I'm like, it's not what you're doing, it's what God is doing in your death. And just like Jesus died, what happened when he died? Because you're. Think Romans 6. When you're baptized, where are you baptized into? According to Paul? His death. Well, what does that mean? Oh, that means a lot. He died to sin. He took the worst of the powers that stood against him. You know, they're like, hey, So I think 1 Peter 3 clarifies this. And I want to read this. This is fantastic. So look, first Peter 3, 18. Now listen to this. And somebody characterized what I'm fixed to read as God putting through the. Through Peter a bunch of different issues into a blender. And he wrote them down. I'm not going to disagree with that. Look, for Christ died for sins once for all. So we all know that on the cross. That's what saves us. Of course, we're in John 3. We hadn't even got to that. But that's what's going to happen. And he's going to refer to that in John 3. So then it says, the righteous for the unrighteous. Look to bring you to God. That's how you're brought to God. Jesus died on a cross once for all. But watch this. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the Spirit. Now, I think that's a perfect depiction of what baptism is. And you say, well, where are you getting that? Because he's fixed to bring up baptism. You see what I mean? Just think, you're put to death. That's not you doing anything. You're dying, right? But you're put to. You're made alive by the Spirit. Now, now watch this little Intersection through whom? Through the spirit. Jesus also went and preached to the spirits in prison, who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built in your life. Record scratch. What? So get this picture in your mind. And I get this picture from 2 Peter 2, 4. Peter would say in the second epistle, God didn't spare angels when they sin, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons. So you say, who are these spirits? I believe that when Jesus died physically, his spirit went to this realm of the dead and he preached them a little sermon. Sermon in that time. And the sermon was, oh, you thought you were Lord of the dead and that we're controlling people. You're doomed. You thought you, by killing me, you would end my ministry. That's why none of the rulers and authorities. I really believe that's what it's talking about. He gave him a little message, you're doomed and I'm coming out of here. And he rose from the dead. Well, then he. Then he goes to people. He goes. In the days of Noah, while the ark was being built, in it, only a few people, eight. And all were saved through water. Because why they were in the ark? The ark is what's floated on top of the ark. Yeah. If they hadn't believed God when he said build the ark, guess what? They would have drowned. But the same water that was destroying everyone else actually pushed the ark up and made it float above the water. And they were saved. God provided the way. Watch. And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also. And it's not the removal of dirt from the body. It's not a ceremonial wash, it's not a bath. There's nothing holy about the water, nothing powerful about the water, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God, it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus. Go back to verse 18, second half. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the spirit. That's why I say, look, all the evil powers and the evil one that are against us and our sins that condemn us, we're speaking the same thing. When a person dies, he's telling that world, you're doomed. You thought you had me, guess what? God saved me through a cross. And then you come up. I think the same thing. It's a spiritual warfare verse. Which is why when I. And I didn't come up with that, I heard a guy say that and I was like, grief, what are you talking about? We're declaring to this evil world through the Power of God. It's not us. We're just dying. Yeah, we're surrendering. So I think that was the rabbit hole I wanted to go down, and I'm done. That was in less than five minutes.

[Zach Dasher]

That was good, though. I think that's what. But baptism, what it does is it is our own reenactment of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Is that Romans 6 passage? And it's by Jesus that we get. Yeah, yeah, that's. And that's how we get access into the. Into the triune nature of God. Right there is we. We come in through this we. It, the Father plans it, the Son accomplishes it, and the Spirit applies that. It's why God is a triune God. Like, this is not something that we can back away from. This is who he is, and he manifests this in us.

[Jace Robertson]

Are we reading numbers 21?

[Al Robertson]

No. No. We're out of time.

[Jace Robertson]

Snakes on a pole.

[Al Robertson]

Snakes on a pole are going to lead the next podcast because of Jason's rabbit hole. Remember, I'm the good guy, he's the bad guy. But it does show you the importance of John chapter 3. To me, in all of our belief system, this is a powerful chapter, which is why we spend a lot of time here. This. It's huge. It was huge for the moment, and it's huge for. For us today.

[Jace Robertson]

Don't miss the headline. You can start over. You can be free. You can be a new creation. You can receive God's spirit.

[Al Robertson]

There's a reason why you see John 3:16 on. On a placard all around the world. All right, so we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.