Ep 1071 | Jase Secretly Helps a Missionary Family & Al Emotionally Dreams About Phil’s Legacy

Summary

Episode 1071 | Jase Secretly Helps a Missionary Family & Al Emotionally Dreams About Phil’s Legacy

Released on April 9, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 1071 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family," listeners are treated to a heartfelt and engaging discussion that intertwines personal anecdotes, humor, and deep scriptural insights. Hosted by the Robertson family, including Jase, Phil, and guest Zach Dasher, this episode delves into Jase's efforts to support a missionary family discreetly and Al's emotional dream concerning Phil’s legacy. The family also shares their unique perspectives on food, family dynamics, and a thorough study of John 6 from the Bible.

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1. Jase's Unusual Experiences and Supporting His Father [00:01 - 02:00]

The episode opens with Jase Robertson sharing a series of strange events he experienced before his Bible study sessions. At [00:06], Phil welcomes listeners and introduces the topic of studying John 6. Jase recounts how seemingly orchestrated encounters, such as meeting an old acquaintance unexpectedly, made him contemplate divine intervention in his life (00:19).

Notable Quote:

• Jase Robertson [00:01]: “I am unashamed. What about you?”

2. The Robertson Family's Unique Approach to Helping Others [02:00 - 07:03]

Jase discusses the challenges his family faces when trying to support others, particularly highlighting their reluctance to participate in traditional meal trains due to their reputation as "food snobs" (01:58). The family humorously debates the quality of meals, revealing their high standards and playful critiques of each other's cooking (02:07).

Notable Quote:

• Phil Robertson [02:00]: “They call them a meal train. Well, that's bad for the Robertson family because we're not going to like most people's cooking.”

3. Humorous Food Debates and Family Dynamics [07:03 - 16:43]

The conversation shifts to a humorous cheese-tasting test where Jase critiques processed cheese versus natural American cheese, sparking a light-hearted debate among the family members (07:03). This segment showcases the family's playful interactions and deep bonds, even amidst disagreements.

Notable Quote:

• Phil Robertson [07:28]: “Life is Gouda.”
• Zach Dasher [13:07]: “Research shows we all should absolutely, relentlessly roast our friends.”

4. Al’s Emotional Dream About Phil’s Legacy [19:09 - 36:18]

Al Robertson shares a deeply personal and emotional dream he had, where President Trump awarded their father the Presidential Medal of Honor. This dream reflects Al's concern and pride in Phil’s legacy, highlighting the emotional depth within the family (19:09).

Notable Quote:

• Phil Robertson [19:22]: “I woke up and I was crying. It was from this dream I was having, and it was about dad.”

5. Supporting Missionaries and Acts of Kindness [13:16 - 22:56]

Jase recounts his experience at a convenience store where he attempted to support a missionary family by offering them money. Despite initial hesitations, the act of kindness leads to an unexpected return of his expenses through a card game win, reinforcing the theme of divine providence and the rewards of generosity (13:16).

Notable Quote:

• Jase Robertson [14:05]: “Because it's a fundamental of greatness, achieving greatness. You must be criticized and critiqued, and competition needs to be there.”

6. In-Depth Study of John 6 [30:39 - 55:32]

The core of the episode features a thorough study of John 6, where the family explores the significance of Jesus feeding the 5,000. They analyze key verses, discussing themes of community, divine provision, and the deeper theological implications of the miracle.

• John 6:1-15: Jesus feeds the multitude with five loaves and two fish, highlighting themes of abundance and God's provision.
• Symbolism of the Number Twelve: Relates to the twelve tribes of Israel and the disciples, symbolizing unity and completeness.
• Connection to Daily Life: The discussion ties the scriptural narrative to everyday acts of faith and generosity, encouraging listeners to live out their beliefs in practical ways.

Notable Quotes:

• Jase Robertson [30:07]: “What about that was so profound?”
• Zach Dasher [47:39]: “The 12 baskets are the 12 tribes that are coming back in under his shepherding.”

7. Themes of Sacrifice and Community [24:37 - 42:59]

The family delves into the themes of sacrifice, highlighting how various professions like missionaries, healthcare workers, and teachers embody sacrifice daily. They relate this to Jesus’ mission and the biblical narrative of providing for others selflessly.

Notable Quote:

• Jase Robertson [25:07]: “The whole plan was for him to be conquered so that everybody could be saved.”

8. Living in the Moment and Faith [42:49 - 55:32]

Jase emphasizes the importance of living one day at a time, drawing parallels between biblical teachings and modern-day faith practices. They discuss how trusting in God's provision can alleviate the anxieties of future uncertainties, encouraging listeners to embrace daily prayer and trust.

Notable Quote:

• Jase Robertson [54:25]: “Your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And then you can say, give us today our daily bread.”

Conclusion and Key Takeaways [55:32 onwards]

The episode concludes with reflections on integrating faith into everyday actions, emphasizing the significance of community, generosity, and living trustfully in the present. The Robertson family encourages listeners to apply the lessons from John 6 to their personal lives, fostering a deeper connection with their faith and each other.

Notable Quote:

• Phil Robertson [54:25]: “That's exactly where we're headed with his explanation when we get into the text, too.”

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Summary

Episode 1071 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" masterfully combines personal storytelling, humor, and profound theological discussion. Jase Robertson's discrete efforts to support a missionary family and Al's heartfelt dream about Phil's legacy illustrate the family's unwavering commitment to their faith and each other. The humorous debates about food not only entertain but also highlight the familial bonds that underpin their ministry.

The in-depth study of John 6 serves as a theological anchor, connecting biblical narratives to the family's own experiences of generosity, sacrifice, and community. By exploring themes of divine provision and living in the moment, the Robertson family provides listeners with practical and spiritual insights to enhance their own faith journeys.

This episode exemplifies the Robertson family's mission to share the Gospel authentically, blending personal experiences with scriptural wisdom to inspire and uplift their audience.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Jase Robertson [00:01]: “I am unashamed. What about you?”
• Phil Robertson [02:00]: “They call them a meal train. Well, that's bad for the Robertson family because we're not going to like most people's cooking.”
• Phil Robertson [07:28]: “Life is Gouda.”
• Zach Dasher [13:07]: “Research shows we all should absolutely, relentlessly roast our friends.”
• Phil Robertson [19:22]: “I woke up and I was crying. It was from this dream I was having, and it was about dad.”
• Jase Robertson [30:07]: “What about that was so profound?”
• Zach Dasher [47:39]: “The 12 baskets are the 12 tribes that are coming back in under his shepherding.”
• Jase Robertson [54:25]: “Your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And then you can say, give us today our daily bread.”
• Phil Robertson [54:25]: “That's exactly where we're headed with his explanation when we get into the text, too.”

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Episode 1071, providing a clear and engaging overview for both regular listeners and newcomers to the "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" podcast.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We've been studying the book of John. We're going to get to John 6 today and I don't know. Jace, you said you had a. You had a weird night leading into your Bible study.

[Jase Robertson]

I've been having a lot of weird things happen. I told you a couple podcasts ago about a study I had with a guy and then it's like he was an employee of a guy I knew from a card game, you know, and it's like that morning they talked about how, you know, you should function in the work environment. That was the sermon. And then I'm studying Jesus on the stairwell with this guy and the first person I ever studied with just comes walking by. You know, it's like, man, is this. Is God orchestrating all this? That's the way I felt. Well, then I had another. So now I have, a couple days later, another weird thing because I hadn't studied John 6 yet, which I knew it was about. I knew it was something about, you know, isn't that where Jesus fed the 5,000? But my night kind of fit in with what I was fixing to study. So I'll tell you about it if you want to hear. It's kind of weird.

[Phil Robertson]

We're all ears.

[Jase Robertson]

Okay. So we're trying to help my dad. He's not doing great, but his spirit is good. But we try to think of creative ideas and we've gone public years ago about. We're food snobs. And so it's very difficult for someone else to like, you know how people gather around. They're like, we want to help and we'll bring meals, you know, like a meal train.

[Zach Dasher]

They call them a meal train.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's bad for the Robertson family because we're not going to like most people's cooking.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, potluck was a four letter word in our vocabulary.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And it's not that we're, you know, it's not that.

[Zach Dasher]

That we think we're better than people. It's just. No, we think we're better than people.

[Phil Robertson]

No.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, it's funny because you think about. Yeah, it's, it's the. Well, a lot of people, though. I mean, I would say most people. Well, I don't want to get too offensive here. I just haven't had a lot of good cooking.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I. I'll give you the line you're looking for. And. Yeah, because my wife became a new creation in our marriage and she will attest to that. And not only with her status with the Almighty, but when it comes to cooking.

[Phil Robertson]

Mine, too.

[Jase Robertson]

I wrote a book one time, and I wish I could rewrite it now, because I've learned a lot. So most of it's just. It all came from a pure heart. But I'm saying, theologically, I think I've come a long way since then. But one thing I shouldn't have done when I wrote that book is I described how my wife's family cooked and what I thought about their cooking. Well, duh, Jace, when they read your book, this is gonna cause some problems. So that took about a year to walk through and get feelings heard. Apologies were made, checks were written. So checks. A lawyer said that at a card game one night, somebody said, are they still breaking the law? And he's like, look, mistakes were made, apologies were given, checks were written. We're good. That's what I did.

[Phil Robertson]

So there people. He didn't pay off his in laws. It's so.

[Zach Dasher]

But your wife's cooking, though.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, what I was going to say is, my wife famously said, some people eat to survive, but when I became a member of the Robertson family, I realized that this family survives to eat.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, that's good.

[Phil Robertson]

Ooh, And I. That's a money.

[Jase Robertson]

Put that in the book. If I didn't, I should have.

[Zach Dasher]

That's good, though.

[Jase Robertson]

But so which.

[Zach Dasher]

Which. Which can lead to, you know, being overweight, as Al and I can.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, by the way, Zach, you're exactly right. And I did. Not with my current diet, but in past diet, a doctor told me, he said, there's two biblical words you've got to practice if you want to lose weight. And I said. I said biblical words? He said, yeah. I said, well, lay it on me, because I'm a Bible man. He said, well, first is repent. You say, you know what that word means? I said, yep, it means change. He said, that's right. You got to change your habit. So I got that one. He said, and the second one is divorce. And I was like, whoa, Doc, now wait a minute. He said, you have to divorce your love for food. And I said, doc, I'm thinking more just like a separation with a hope of reconciliation. I don't think I can be actively rooting for divorce, especially what Jay's just said, because we survive to eat.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I'm gonna have to take issue with both of you on that. It's not the food. Y'all, y'all. You. Zach. See, he immediately went to what big people say, and that's. That's it's not that. It's not the quality of the food, it's the quantity. There. There's where your problem lies. Because look, I'm eating at the same.

[Zach Dasher]

I received that. I received that. I received it Jace. But let me say this real quick.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm eating the same food that I was eating and that y'all have been eating.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, James, I swallow a lot of aggression along with a lot of Johnny's pizzas.

[Jase Robertson]

So I just wanted to clarify, but go ahead, Zach, make your point.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I mean, in our family, what we do and you guys have been preview to this is we will have open and I would say even heated. And sometimes there's, there's, there's the dialogue turns into shouting over food and over different ingredients, such as the cheese that I introduced you guys to with the burger situation. But that's how you.

[Jase Robertson]

Up, up, up. I never gave the conclusion.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. What is your.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm the one who ended up. Thank you, Sargento owners. I ended up with the cheese and I did the test. I have eaten every slice. They're all gone. And there were multiple packages that I went through.

[Zach Dasher]

You did the test.

[Jase Robertson]

I did the test. And the test was so, I mean, like, on a scale from 1 to 10, you have. You have your. Yours was a 1.

[Zach Dasher]

What was. What was the test? So people know what you're talking about.

[Phil Robertson]

It was. It was a. It was the processed process.

[Jase Robertson]

We won't use names, but processed cheese versus. Well, we can use Sargento because they sent me a box.

[Phil Robertson]

They sent us the cheese natural. It's natural American cheese. That's what.

[Jase Robertson]

It's a hat that I've been wearing that's got a lot of good. Led to a lot of conversations.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I've been wearing that to.

[Jase Robertson]

Life is Gouda.

[Phil Robertson]

Gouda.

[Zach Dasher]

And you said that mine was. My recommendation was a one only because.

[Jase Robertson]

There'S no number less than one available for me.

[Zach Dasher]

You did. There's no way you didn't try it. I don't believe you.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

It's. God.

[Jase Robertson]

Absolutely hideous.

[Zach Dasher]

So now again, it was like, you know what?

[Jase Robertson]

You know what it was reminding me of? It's like you get something out of a package, you know, and you eat it, which should tell you already you're on a dangerous road. And then you didn't realize that whatever you were fixed to eat was actually still connected to the package that it was in. And it just melted on what you're fixing to eat. This is a hypothetical situation. And then you're eating some Weird form of plastic.

[Zach Dasher]

I just want to clarify. You really did do the test.

[Jase Robertson]

I did the test.

[Zach Dasher]

If that's your conclusion, I do want to, I want to say this. The word came up last podcast hubris. I think this, there's some kind of hubris. This is your pot committed. It's a pride issue. There's. You're. You can't see, you cannot admit when you experience that.

[Jase Robertson]

So if you really want to know what I think, I think, you know, your weight issues and all that can be attributed to. You need to go have your taste buds analyzed that something went wrong. They have a real piece of cheese that functions like the crap that you're putting on, on your burger, and it's delicious. It's fantastic.

[Zach Dasher]

They may have created that. I'm not denying that.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, they did. So, But.

[Zach Dasher]

But you can't tell me that what I have is. What I've created is a one. That's not true.

[Jase Robertson]

I would say a one, and I would.

[Zach Dasher]

The point. The point is this.

[Phil Robertson]

I will say there have been people that sided with Zach in the argument.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, a lot of people.

[Phil Robertson]

But I don't know that they've tried this. Natural American.

[Zach Dasher]

That's a different discussion. I didn't know about that. I haven't tried that. That's a different thing. But the people that listen to this podcast, they do know. And I probably, I mean, but what the point is is that if you bring potluck or like the meal train to the family. The problem is, is that Phil historically has been pretty brutal in critique. He openly critiques whatever the cuisine is. So there's been some people over the years that may or may not have gotten their feelings hurt. But I don't get my feelings hurt when I come in with a. With. With like. Because I expect that you, whatever you're bringing to the table, it's meant to be critiqued. And then from there, the whole food game evolves into a more sophisticated state of existence, if that makes sense.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Because it's a fundamental of greatness, achieving greatness. You must be criticized and critiqued, and competition needs to be there. This is, this is how they make great football teams. You compete, you could compete, and that's how you produce something that's better than average.

[Phil Robertson]

I've heard the next generation Jays talk about it at our Thanksgiving gatherings because, you know this, our kids, they love to come up with something and try to bring it to impress all of us because if they ever get the thumbs up that this is a Robertson favorite, then it becomes part of the lexicon going forward.

[Jase Robertson]

It's usually a train wreck, you know, it usually is.

[Phil Robertson]

It's trial and error.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I did want to say something about this too. I was trying to pull it up here, but I just read this made me feel so good about our family and our relationship mainly with me and Jace. It made me really feel like we were on the right road. And the headline was that research shows we all should absolutely, relentlessly roast our friends. And they've actually done the research now. And that friends and family members who relentlessly, relentlessly roast each other actually have better relationships than those who don't. So I feel like we've actually been. We actually have a very healthy dialogue that we can come in here.

[Phil Robertson]

But to show Jason's point is right, Zach, when you read that whole thing, the word I focused in on was roast. Because I love a good pot roast.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, you Got to sear it. You got to steer.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, get the sear holding those juices.

[Zach Dasher]

Dusted in some flour. Sear that thing, stick it.

[Jase Robertson]

So anyway, so that, so that. So I. We thought, how can I help my dad to get back to the story? And so I don't know if it was Missy's idea or mine, but I said, why don't we just go get some crawfish bowl crawfish and just have an experience. And so that's what we did. And so it was, it was awesome. Which I realized crawfish are expensive and you don't mind. Oh, did he eat them?

[Phil Robertson]

Did you have to peel them for him?

[Jase Robertson]

He peeled one. It took a while. And because he's just, you know, my dad's not clicking on all cylinders, but he, he insisted on peeling one. He got it done, but. And what's funny is he. Missy was like, no, I'm gonna peel them for you. You know, which I thought, here's my wife who wouldn't even attempt to eat a crawfish when I met her. She wouldn't be in the presence of a crawfish alive or dead.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, you've made it clear. Missy was a freaked out by bugs in general. So yeah, it goes against.

[Jase Robertson]

She's peeling crawfish for my dad.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, that's a good daughter in law.

[Jase Robertson]

So it was, it was great. Just the experience, you know, was outside eating crawfish and so. But anyway, well, so. So I do that. All right. And so I was going to play cards, so I stopped at a convenience store on the way to play cards. And I'm in there and you know, I mean, the problem with looking like this is you're easily recognizable, you know, and you get the feeling you're being watched. And look, there was this, you know, young woman with her daughter. And they were kind of looking at me like, I think that's Duck Dynasty guy. I got. I've seen that look.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I was getting some tea, I think, and to. When I come back, well, they hear they came. I said, well, here we go. And so. Because I'm a little nervous about that because once that down breaks, you know, it kind of turns into a meet and greet, which is okay, because I realize these are moments where you can have Jesus conversations.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

So I went into that mode and to my surprise, this woman's like, we don't want anything, you know, from. Because usually people ask for a picture or something like that, want anything. We just appreciate yalls ministry. And I thought, well, now Here we go. So I started asking a few questions. She's like, well, there's my husband and my son. They were, you know, they came over and we, we kind of had a little talk there. And I was like, what do y'all do? They like, well, we're missionaries. Like, well, how about this? You know, in this. Isn't this cool? So anyway, we had our little meet and greetings. Well, when I got over getting all my stuff, I looked at them and they had, you know, something, snacks. It was all snacks in each hand. I thought, these people are missionaries. So the guy behind the checkout, I was like, you want to do something good today? Which I didn't realize how that sounded, I guess in the moment because he just snapped up and looked at me kind of wild eyed. And I said, I'm going to see a little family there. I was like, I just met them. I was like, they're really. I like how they roll. I said, they are missionaries for the Lord Jesus. I said, which means something because I've met a lot of missionaries. It means they don't have a lot of money. I said, so you take this $20 bill. I was trying to assess what they had. I figured $20 would cover it. Which shows you they ain't got a lot of money. You know, there's four of them and what they have may not be $20. I said, the only problem we're going to have is if. Cause they had multiple registers. It's that big, huge thing on, well road, you know. Yeah, it's bigger than a store. I mean, this place is a circus. I said, so. Because I'm gonna leave. Because they were like in line and I was like, because they're in the other line there. So if you. I'm gonna trust you to make this happen. He's like, hey, I'm a man of integrity. Which I thought was interesting for the checkout guy to say. He said, I'm a man of integrity. And then he said, and this is exciting. So I thought, great. So as I was leaving, he was going over to tell the other checkout. You know, I saw him whispering in his ear. I was like, oh, this would be good, you know, so. So I got to do that. And I'm sure, you know, I wish I'd have been there to see the, oh, you know, somebody paid for, oh, the duck guy you met, you know, which was, I thought was. Was good. I felt good about that. So then I played cards. And here's what's interesting. I won after a Few hours of the card game, I won the amount of money that I had just spent on the crawfish and the snacks. Don't you find that weird? I didn't realize that till I was going home. I was like, well, you know, I didn't win much. Then I thought, well, wait a minute.

[Zach Dasher]

We did two good deeds, and you got your deeds cut.

[Jase Robertson]

And I actually got, you know, a bunch of heathens to pay for it. I mean, this is what.

[Phil Robertson]

This is just.

[Zach Dasher]

So if you're saying if you do the right thing, then, yeah, apologies are made, checks are. Yeah, that sounds like the prosperity gospel to me. I don't know, Jace.

[Jase Robertson]

But no, you know what it sounds like? You say, well, you just got lucky. No, it's like what Al said about potluck. That's the problem I have when you attach luck with food. I'm out. I'm out. I never got past the name. Oh, we're having a potluck. Everybody's invited. Well, I'm not going to be there.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, that's what dad used to say when he talked about, you know, take everything out of the refrigerator, throw it in a pot. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. You know, that's.

[Zach Dasher]

That was. That was the way.

[Phil Robertson]

That was the way he described it. So let me tell you this, because Jason talked about a weird night. So it was night before last, which was the night last night. We recorded the podcast a couple of days ago, and I did something. I'm trying to think if I've ever done it. I don't know if y'all have ever done this before. I woke up and I was crying. Like, I had tears on my face. And it was from this dream I was having, and it was about dad, you know, because, you know, all of us have been concerned. So I pray all the time for him and, you know, for him, Mom. And so a lot of times I think about it before I go to sleep. You know, it's the time I spend with the Almighty to close out, you know, the day he blessed me with. But in my dream, President Trump was awarding dad the Presidential Medal of Honor, whatever they do for civilians. And of course, dad couldn't be there. And so we were there, Jase. It was the. All the boys, and Phyllis was there, too. And we were receiving it on his behalf. And I rarely remember a dream. I've dreamed things before. And I thought, man, I woke up. What happened? It was something scary or whatever, but I couldn't remember the details. But this one was so clear. But I. I Don't know that I've ever, like, cried in a dream and then woke up with actual tears on my face. Have y'all ever done that?

[Jase Robertson]

I've never done that, but that's an interesting thought.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. I mean, it was so. It was so impactful to me. The dream was, I was so proud, you know, in the moment that, like, Trump was recognizing dad. And look, Trump said in the, in his, like, thing, when he was put, you know, giving us the medal, he said, this man shared the gospel with me, you know, and I've always remembered it. So he says what dad always says about him. So I guess that was it. It was just, it was a weird thing. But, I mean, I've never woke up crying before that I can remember. Maybe I have. So. One of the things I wish, Zach, that I had learned about early in life was that living above your means and going into debt is something that follows you for a long time and it puts a lot of strain on your, on your relationships and even on your marriage. And Lisa and I, through the early years of our marriage, really struggled with debt.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

Well, I do understand it. I mean, it's tough because I can't sleep real good. I'm having, you know, weird dreams like that too, but I can't remember what they are. But, you know, I think when you're going through just tough times. Yeah. Emotional thinking about. And you're praying about it, you know, so. Because Missy and I had the same conversation before, you know, you're just kind of restless and.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Even though you feel like, hey, everything is you Know, we're in God's hands and we're doing the best we can. Yeah. So. Well, we're in John 6. I mean, because then I thought, when I read John 6 after that happened, I thought it kind of opened my eyes because all that was around food. However, it was more about bringing Jesus and his qualities into difficult situations. I mean, when you think about it, that, that that was the opportunities, you know, with my dad and with the missionaries and. Because, you know, you just think what missionaries do, it's because both of those things dealing, you know, with the health of my, you know, mom and dad and just the life of a missionary, I mean, that's all about sacrifice. That's all it is. I mean, you're. It's like even the people, you know, when you look at certain jobs, like people who work in, you know, healthcare facilities where, you know, with mental patients or people who are just in dire straits, I mean, you just think they do, even for their job. It's just sacrifice, I think. Same thing about teachers. I mean, who would. Because they're obviously not doing it for the money in the teaching world. But to go up. Let's just say you're a kindergarten teacher. You know what your life is about, sacrifice. I mean, who would do this on purpose?

[Phil Robertson]

Same thing with law enforcement or, you know, first responders a lot of times. I mean, just not a lot of money. But, man, you talk about just putting your life on the line.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, exactly. So which. Which leads you back to the image of Jesus, you know, and he came here humbly. And, you know, I thought Zach had a good line the other day when he was like, the whole plan was for him to be conquered so that everybody could be saved, you know, and mean by humans, to be killed by humans that he made because he loved him. I mean, that's just, you know, when you start doing Jesus stuff, that's where you're getting into that road.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is why I mentioned that fault line before, because Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. The first time we see, this idea that they're wanting to kill him comes up here in chapter five. And that's going to continue forward. What were you going to say, Zach?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I was thinking about your story about bringing that crawfish to Phil and. Because when I went and saw him when I was in town, it was funny. The first thing he asked me, the first question he asked me was, do you bring any grub? Like, he, like he. It's interesting, though. Like, you get it. You get somebody outside, you get Them, you know, you. You bring the crawfish. There's something about the food situation that brings, like, the certain degree of human agency and not just. It's not just a utilitarian. I'm just gonna, you know, I'm not. I could. I could hook myself up to an IV and feed myself through some kind of, you know, feeding tube, but that's not really what. Like, it's not that. It's the enjoyment, it's the story. It's the. How did you make the Crawford man? We went and ran these crawfish traps. Look at what we got, boys. And, man, we put, you know, we put mushrooms and ours. And. And potatoes and all the. It's a. It's all the story get around together and eat that. And I think it's something that Jesus. In John 6. I mean, how much of John 6 is about food and what you eat?

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and it's. You're right, it's a whole community thing because the Cajuns, they have made tables, you know, tape long tables and round tables with the hole in the middle and where everybody can converse as they're enjoying this delicious crawfish boil and all this stu stuff. It's very communal. And it's designed for that.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. I mean, I said, you want to know what the afterlife looks like? I told Miss. I was like, go down to that crawfish city. Yeah, about 7:00.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, if you cannot stick another person in there. They're all outside. Everybody's wanting to get it. I mean, it's like everyone. And it's that way every night. I mean, it's the best thing you can eat. And we're just. It's a party atmosphere.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, well, LA is different too, because it's the. You're right, Al. The equipment. It seems like every time, every two or three years that passes, there's like a new upgrade in equipment. And I mean, it's. It's like this how we were bowling crawfish 20 years ago. It's a whole nother set of equipment now. Even, like, I think about, like a jambalaya recipe. We used to cook that in an old black wash pot. That was literally. That's what it was, a wash pot that was converted into a pot that you cook jambalaya in. And. And the burner was kind of made specifically for that pot. Well, now they've got a whole cottage industry. You can, like, you order these pots that are made and, you know, they have, like, little heat shields around them. I mean, the game just keeps elevating and the story continues. But there's something central about, you know, humans getting around a meal together that does bring some kind of something. There's something spiritual about that.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, to back up your point, Zach, when we would. When we used to rent big houses down here, when the whole family would come, and now we're so big we can't do it anymore, but in the old days, we did. Lisa got to where she would ask before we would rent a house, because there's a lot of Louisiana people that own houses down here, especially from south Louisiana. She would say, is this house owned by someone from Louisiana? And the reason we asked that is because we knew the cooking equipment would be there that we needed.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

For our week with the pots and pans and, you know, everything else. So, I mean, we literally asked the question before we would rent a house. Is it Louisiana owned?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So. And you got to remember, up until this point, it's been a lot about water. And when you think about the importance of food and water, what you're getting down there to survival.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Not to mention the experiences that you are talking about. I mean, even, you know, our show that took off, I think the reason it did is because you had people gathered around a table eating a meal together, which is unheard of now in our culture, everybody goes and gets their screens and goes to their rooms and does their own thing.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, you remember, Adam Carolla said that when he was on our podcast a few years ago, he mentioned about. Because he's agnostic or atheist or used to be, I guess. I don't know if he still is, but he said, you know, I admire you Christians. It was the way he put it, talking about us. He said on your show, the way you do it. He said, when it. When I come into my house, everybody goes to their rooms to eat their meals, and nobody's ever together. He said. But when I go to Dennis Prager, who's Jewish, or, you know, I watch you guys on tv, he says, y'all seem to really like being around the table together. It was just an interesting observation, I thought, and almost like he lamented it, you know, that he didn't have it in his own family.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, it's number one childhood memory. I mean, you gather up and you talk about the day's events or relive the stories that just happened, which is.

[Phil Robertson]

Why I think I said before. I think that's why we wound up on television, because you had your little moment, the spotlight on the table. And you didn't want to blow it. You want to have something to say that was either funny or, you know, mattered. You didn't want to waste your moments. You didn't get that many.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So you may read this. John 6.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

Or I'll read some of it. And read.

[Phil Robertson]

Read at least the first 15 verses. Just let's get into that. Which is the actual miracle.

[Jase Robertson]

So we're coming off the. The difference in Moses and. And, you know, following Moses and Jesus being the fulfillment of Mo, which is a key context, but where we're going here. So then it says sometime after this. This is John 6:1. Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee, that is the Sea of Tiberias. And a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick. Then Jesus went up on a mountainside and sat down with his disciples. Now, here's another key verse number, verse 4. The Jewish Passover festival was near. So this is the second time this is brought up where Jesus is going to do something cool when the festival of the Passover was celebrated. So the first time was in John 2, where he cleared the temple. Yep.

[Phil Robertson]

And talked about his resurrection.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, yeah. So if you think about the Passover, which we'll get into the details of that, but you actually had a lamb being sacrificed and eaten when the original Passover happened, which led the Israelites to be liberated from Egypt.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep, Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Correct. So speaking of day of liberation, I mean, when I first heard that coming out, Trump, I guess a few days ago, by the time you're hearing this, said, there's a day of liberation. And I thought, every day is a day of liberation.

[Zach Dasher]

As a follower of Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

We're making new creations. The old is gone. But. But that was their day of liberation as a nation or as a people. You know, So I think that's a key thing to remember because just I put that little phrase in your mind. A lamb was eaten. Blood was spilled and put on the door frame from the lamb, and it was eaten.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

And then the celebration of that jace is a meal. I mean, you eat that lamb, you eat the unleavened bread, the herbs, all the stuff that goes with it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and later in which you'll introduce this is going to come up again in John 13 where he's talking about what we call the Lord's supper now, which he introduced at the last supper. And so it's like when he starts making some claims in the back end of this, this chapter, it's going to make a lot more sense if you look at it from their perspective. You remember the first thing John the Baptist said in John 2 when he saw him. He said, look, the Lamb of God. The Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. So that's why. Because if you just go to the verse where Jesus says, which I'm, you know, we'll get to, he's like, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you, you'll have no part with me. Well, people are like, oh, wait a minute, I'm out on this. What is this, some kind of ca. Cannibalism type of thing? And you can look up the Greek words and say, what were the words no, it pretty much meant eat and drink, you know, so it's like, well, what did he mean by that? But now we're giving you the clues to kind of wrap your head around what he was saying.

[Phil Robertson]

And, Jason, me give one little tease before you go back to the text. He mentions the Passover one more time and guess when that is. When he's about to go into Jerusalem. And John mentions it three times as Jesus is going in for the last Passover, which is very interesting that he mentioned it three times in his book and three times at the last time.

[Jase Robertson]

Just to show was right before his death on the cross.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, right.

[Jase Robertson]

Because you think about it, he didn't pick the day of atonement or the Jubilee or, you know, whatever.

[Phil Robertson]

Pentecost, right. Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

He picked the Passover.

[Zach Dasher]

One of the. Yeah. And I think one of the things happening here, too, you think about the. The significance of how much food was left over. There was 12 baskets of food left over.

[Jase Robertson]

And we're going to get there. We're going to get.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay, all right, I'll hold off then.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, let me. Let me read verse five, because. And now we get. If you're keeping score, how many questions have we had so far? Al. That we've written down four where we just take Jesus questions. Now, granted, this was a kind of a trap question because John says that. And this one doesn't seem as profound when I first read it, but boy, once I went down a rabbit hole or two, this became very profound. So. And that's in verse five. This would be our fifth question if you're keeping score. When Jesus looked up and saw a great crowd coming toward him, he said to Philip, where shall we buy bread for these people to eat? So. And I just thought. Just immediately think. You think. Well, that doesn't seem like a very profound question, but how many times have you had people coming over the. And especially for people who cook, of our reputation, this is. This is a serious thing for us. Getting ready to feed people, for people like our family, is a big deal.

[Phil Robertson]

So true.

[Jase Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

Best brand, the brand, the best one. You're not going cheap at any level.

[Zach Dasher]

It's abundance.

[Jase Robertson]

Because there's going to come a moment in this, these festivities where people take that first bite of a meal that you've prepared. And what they think matters to my family a whole Lot. And basically my dad was overblown. If they didn't say, because he's. As soon as you take the first bite, you know what he would tell people out. Every person that ever sat there. What do you. What do you think? What about it?

[Phil Robertson]

What about it?

[Jase Robertson]

Is that. And if they hesitate, he said, is that the best thing you've ever eaten in your life?

[Phil Robertson]

Is that the best thing you've ever laid a lip on? That's the way he said.

[Jase Robertson]

So he asked that question. But then he's. There's a clarification because he asked this. John intervenes here, which I love how John takes it upon himself to say he asked this only to test him. So in verse seven, Philip answered him. It would take more than a half a year's wages to buy enough bread for each one to have a bite. Another of his disciples, Andrew, which was cool because you don't see a whole lot of interaction from Andrew in the Gospels.

[Phil Robertson]

I don't think the other three mention Philip or Andrew for sure. No conversation.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, but it shows you Andrew kind of had a pulse on the crowd. Because then he says, andrew, in verse eight, he spoke up, what? There's a boy with five barley loaves of bread and two small fish. But how far will that go among so many? Which is weird that he would even bring it up. But. But it is something like, here's what we got. Maybe. Maybe he can do something with it.

[Phil Robertson]

That's what I put in my notes. Chase. It was like, maybe. Maybe here's some.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it's a good sermon with, you know, you take what you have and God, you know, let's see what he can do with it.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So verse 10, Jesus said, have the people sit down. There was plenty of grass in that place. And they sat down. About 5,000 men were there. I mean, we're talking huge crowd, probably.

[Phil Robertson]

Double that with the kids and women.

[Jase Robertson]

Which now his question seems funny, you know, where. Where you. Where shall we buy bread for these people to eat, you know? So verse 11. Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish. When they had all had enough to eat, he said to his disciples, gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted. So they gathered them and filled 12 baskets with the pieces of the five barley loaves left over by those who had eaten. After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, surely this is the prophet who is to come into the world. So there's that verse that we talked about in the last chapter. That's the Deuteronomy. Where was that at in Deuteronomy?

[Phil Robertson]

Al, I think 1815.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So there was predicted that there would be a prophet sent. Yeah, as. As king, I think. But they call him a king here.

[Phil Robertson]

So Jesus and Moses even said greater than I. So he was.

[Jase Robertson]

That was it. So verse 15, Jesus knowing that they intended to come and make him king. Because at first when you say, oh, here's the prophet. But he knew, okay, they're going to make him, you know, Messiah by force, withdrew to a mountain by himself, which seems kind of opposite from what you would think he would have responded. So that's when we. We take a turn here. So Jesus was coming here to declare himself king and son of God. However, they had the wrong motivation. You're going to see that later in the story. We're going to take a little time out or John does and you have this scene where he walks on the water and then you get back to the controversy that comes from the feeding of the 5,000, which you think, well, how could that be controversial? Well, their motives. They started following Jesus just for the meals instead of recognizing who Jesus is on his path.

[Zach Dasher]

They had their fill.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And it's really going to get down to that. The point is going to be you're following Jesus for what you can get out of it.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Instead of.

[Zach Dasher]

Because the truth is, if you understand the Son of Man reference that he's mentioned already multiple times and he will mention again multiple times in all the Gospels that Jesus is king when he appears before the ancient of days, you know, and so that's what he says. You'll see the Son of Man coming on the clouds and all of that. So. But that they don't want that king. They don't want the king that suffers. They don't want a king that's going to walk a Roman road to a cross all by himself. They don't want that king. They want the king that's going to feed them. That's going. To your point, they're looking at the power. It's kind of funny that because they did kind of worship the prophets. We just saw that in the last chapter five of when he said made the reference to Moses and kind of the upholding of all the prophets and they studied the Scriptures and all that. But here they want to make Jesus a prophet. They just want to put him in the stack of other kind of leaders that they've had. He's going to Be our current guy. We're going to lift him up as the guy, because he obviously is bringing something big to the table, which is.

[Phil Robertson]

An interesting thing, too, that you get from reading the other Gospel narratives, because John is just kind of picking these events along. He's not necessarily trying to be chronic kind of logical. But when I read the other versions, the other eyewitness accounts, there were two things else that had happened. I think they helped set the context of the mindset, because Jace is right. It seems counterintuitive to us for him to take the task he took, that now is the time for him to step out, because now they're saying and wanting him to be king, but it's not the right context. So two things have happened. One is this follows him sending out the disciples. They just got back right before this happened. And so that's part of the reason they were retreating is to get a little rest, because they had just gone out. Remember when he sent them out and said, you know, shake the dust off. So that had just happened. So they're probably on cloud nine that they got to get out on their own and share about the kingdom, about what was coming. And the second thing that had happened from one of the other accounts is that John had just been beheaded in prison, which effectively ended the Forerunner, you know, his life and everything he had come to do. And now it's just Jesus. So he's only one left. So one is, you know, Jesus has taken that personally, which I think is part of the mindset with him in the idea that this was his cousin as well as somebody he loved deeply. Said there's no one greater on earth than him. And yet these two things that happened leading up to this event. So I do think that helps set the context as to kind of why Jesus responds the way he does as well tells the disciples, and probably why there's that little interlude of him walking on the water, too. Zach, I got a new nickname that someone called me recently on the road. They call me the Incredible Shrinking Man.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

I think the part of him where he, he collects 12 baskets is not accidental as well. I think if you go back to the history of Israel, yeah, Israel didn't last long before it divided into two kingdoms. I mean, if you look at, I.

[Phil Robertson]

Mean, it lasts, it was three kings is how long it lasts. It lasted Saul, David, Solomon, then it split after zone.

[Zach Dasher]

So then you got to keep in mind that what happens there to the twelve tribes of Israel is they're divided. They're not together anymore. And so part of what's happening here is that Jesus is also being established, establishing himself as the true shepherd of Israel. So the 12 baskets are the 12 tribes that are coming back in. Jesus is going to bring, he's bringing the 12 tribes back in under his shepherding. And he's also building out the bigger vision of the kingdom which is going to bring also the Gentiles in as well. So you see all of that is going on here. You know, in this, in this context. It's not, this number 12 is not just a random like number. There's great symbolic connection here between the 12 tribes of Israel that were now divided and the 12 baskets that were now being collected. And it also shows the abundance of what God provides. When God shepherds, there's an abundance left over. Everyone had their fill, they ate as much as they wanted. And then, and then there was, there was so much left over that it was just, it was just overflowing with abundance.

[Phil Robertson]

But it's also the classic way of how God does business. He's also looking at the needs of those in the moment. Because, by the way, how many disciples that needed to eat because they've been serving this whole time? 12. Yeah. So guess who got the basket full of the leftovers? Probably each one of them, those 12 disciples to their sustenance in the moment. So to prove your point, Zach, it's the sustenance of the moment, which is what prophecy does, but also the bigger picture, what it provides for everybody.

[Zach Dasher]

And don't you think it's connected? Like he's. We're going to get into this in the. Probably the next episode. But he. I mean, it's connected to the manna. The next.

[Phil Robertson]

No doubt.

[Jase Robertson]

He'S going to bring that up later in this chapter. And that's what I was going to say when Al said the sustenance of the moment. So here's what we need to do before next time is our readers. This rabbit hole made this question when Jesus asked, where are we going to go? Buy some. Buy some bread. I mean, it was this thrilling of a revelation from these scriptures that I've ever had, because I read Exodus 15, 16, and 17, which is the 15 is about water being provided. 16 is about the manna and the quail, and 17 is the water that was provided when he struck the rock. And you remember what Paul said about that. That rock was Christ. And in the vein of Jesus being the fulfillment of everything written in the law, Moses and the prophets and the Psalms, I went to his prayer because obviously I thought manna like Zach, but I also thought when he taught them how to pray in Matthew 6. I want to read this. We're not going to have time to fully develop this. But I had brought that question up. And Al, you set us that, that statement, that sustenance in the moment. And when you read Exodus 15, 16 and 17, this really comes out because, look, he only provided them by the day. And just full disclosure, Exodus 16 is, you know, one of the few places in the Bible that maggots are mentioned. The larva of flies. Because what they did, they'd have all this manna. And they were scared. So they was like, well, I'm going to gather some of this for tomorrow. Which he said, don't do.

[Zach Dasher]

Just in case he doesn't drop bread out of the sky tomorrow, I better make sure I get mine.

[Jase Robertson]

But since they didn't trust what he said and the word becoming flesh now claiming eventually in this chapter to be the bread of life, that the bread wouldn't keep. You know, that's why the maggots. And he's like, no, I want you to live one day at a time. Well, when you think about this prayer, and I want to read this. So he says in verse, this is Matthew 6, when you pray. And you think, when are we supposed to pray as a follower of Jesus and the Son of God, when should we pray? I was asking y'all, when should you pray as a follower of Jesus?

[Phil Robertson]

All the time. I mean, anytime.

[Jase Robertson]

Thank you. Every day.

[Phil Robertson]

Every day.

[Jase Robertson]

This is something, as much as possible, that is happening now to every believer, the next generation. This is a daily conversation. When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they'll be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. This, then, is how you should pray. Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Now watch this. Your kingdom come, your will be done. And look, the previous chapters in Matthew, you know what it's been about. Jesus saying, the kingdom is at hand. So now he brings us up in this prayer, your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And then the first thing he says for us to pray about personally is, give us today our daily bread. And when you look up the Greek language here, give us today our daily bread. This is the only place in the New Testament that that word daily is mentioned. And the only, only reference. When you look that up, don't you find that fascinating? The only reference that you get is they're like, well, the Hebrew language doesn't even have a word for that, but it's likened to Exodus 16. Given your daily sustenance. Yeah, daily God providing, which then he's going to go, forgive us our debts. And then he's going to say, and lead us not into testing or temptation, but deliver us. Do you think about, well, who delivered us, who forgave us, and who provides for us? Well, we're getting a picture of Jesus here.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, and so I'm going to go further into that when we come back on the next podcast, because what you're going to see and the reason that it's only that mentioned that one time, Jesus is wanting you to live in the moment every day. But we, you know how humans think. We always think, oh, you know, tomorrow I'll do this, or I'll save my money and I'm going to retire. One day we all look like that. And in reality, none of that is promised. And there's many verses about that. James 4, you know, don't say, tomorrow we'll go down there and build a town. And so there's something about and to get back to the stories that I said, you know, helping the missionaries or, you know, helping my dad, looking at Jesus whole life, you talking about living one day at a time, which is why he said, hey, you know, what's, where are we going to buy this bread? And I thought that's what we should be thinking of, who Jesus is every time we're fixed to go to the store or buy some food or all these things should be wrapped around in the true bread of life now.

[Phil Robertson]

And that's so good because that's we're out of time. But that's exactly where we're headed with his explanation when we get into the text, too. So we'll we'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode out.