Ep 1093 | Jase Teases His Role on ‘Duck Dynasty: The Revival’ & Pays the Price for Doing Willie a Favor

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family Episode: Ep 1093 | Jase Teases His Role on ‘Duck Dynasty: The Revival’ & Pays the Price for Doing Willie a Favor
Release Date: May 16, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The Robertson family reunites on the Unashamed podcast, led by host Phil Robertson, alongside his sons Al, Jase, Zach, and special guest Zach Dasher. The episode delves into Jase's recent experience preaching in his hometown, his theological insights on the Book of Ephesians, and a teaser about his involvement with the anticipated revival of the popular show "Duck Dynasty."

2. Jase's Sermon Preparation and Preaching Experience

Jase Robertson shares his journey of preparing and delivering a sermon based on Ephesians in his hometown. He discusses the emotional and spiritual challenges he faced, particularly the anxiety surrounding preaching in a familiar environment.

• Timestamp [01:32]:
  Jase Robertson: "I actually preached in my hometown yesterday. It's the only time I get a little anxious and I could tell you were a little..."

• Preparation Struggles: Jase recounts the exhaustive hours spent crafting his sermon, revising his introduction multiple times to fit the desired length and ensure his message resonated with his congregation.

• Timestamp [16:25]:
  Jase Robertson: "When I focus on where we're going instead of who we're with, it disrupts your theology a bit. So I did this whole thing about heaven, earth, and hell that was probably the most uncomfortable."

3. Theological Discussion on Ephesians and Family Themes

The conversation pivots to an in-depth exploration of the Book of Ephesians, highlighting its emphasis on family as the cornerstone of God's plan.

• Family as Foundation:
  Al Robertson: "Healthy families, which is the bedrock of civilization, lead to cultivation of crops and gardening, building things with what God has given us."

• Mystery of the Gospel:
  Jase Robertson: "The word 'mystery' is used 28 times in the New Testament, but eight in Ephesians. It signifies God's plan coming together."

• God’s Family:
  Jase Robertson: "It's about God and humans living together forever, dwelling together. This is the reality Paul describes in Ephesians."

4. Insights on God's Plan and Spiritual Warfare

Jase delves into the interplay between divine plans and spiritual adversaries, referencing scriptures to underline his points.

• Defeat of Evil:
  Phil Robertson: "Jesus' death and resurrection defeat the fear of death and the evil one."

• God’s Presence:
  Jase Robertson: "In Christ, God and humans meet. Heaven and earth are connected through Jesus, who represents us in the heavenly realms."

• Role of the Church:
  Jase Robertson: "God's intent was through the church. His wisdom is being made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms."

5. Tease About 'Duck Dynasty: The Revival' and Related Topics

Towards the latter part of the episode, Jase hints at his upcoming role in "Duck Dynasty: The Revival," discussing the unexpected challenges he faced while aiding Willie Robertson.

• Unexpected Challenges:
  Jase Robertson: "I showed up thinking we'd put a couple of hours in, but it turned into a situation that took a toll on me both physically and mentally."

• Impact on Personal Life:
  Jase Robertson: "It took one of my study days and ruined me for half of the next one. I had to push for a proper contract to move forward."

6. Conclusion and Future Topics

The episode wraps up with reflections on the interconnectedness of biblical themes and personal experiences, setting the stage for future discussions on John Chapter 8 and the ongoing narrative of the Robertson family's faith journey.

• Phil's Reflection:
  Phil Robertson: "In an overview lesson, the themes you laid out could each be a separate sermon. But as an overview, it shows the power of the Book of Ephesians."

• Looking Ahead:
  Jase Robertson: "Next time, we'll dive into John Chapter 8 and explore the concept of 'paradise' as mentioned in the Bible."

Notable Quotes

• Jase Robertson at [02:49]:
  "Unless you put that to death in some capacity, you're going to struggle in eternity."

• Phil Robertson at [05:04]:
  "This is about God and humans living together forever, dwelling together."

• Jase Robertson at [38:53]:
  "The whole purpose is about shut out from the presence of the Lord."

• Al Robertson at [30:44]:
  "Healthy families... lead to cultivation of crops and gardening, building things with what God has given us."

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For listeners intrigued by Jase's theological insights and his potential role in "Duck Dynasty: The Revival," stay tuned to future episodes of Unashamed with the Robertson Family.

Transcript

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[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Zach Dasher]

3, 2, 1.

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. Zach just did a fake Maddie countdown for us. Just can't quite got the melody right, man. But he's working on it, so.

[Al Robertson]

Got the tone. We got the tone right.

[Phil Robertson]

Got the tone right. You got to get the melody right. So we were laughing because the Maddie forgot to put my clock. I can't function without a clock. I got. You know, this thing is timed. I am the keeper of time on the.

[Jase Robertson]

I want to say this, though. If you. Unless you put that to death in some capacity, you're going to struggle in eternity. Yeah. You asked me to preach one time.

[Phil Robertson]

Never stop preaching now.

[Al Robertson]

How long did J go? He preached Sunday.

[Phil Robertson]

He actually. I didn't time it. There you go. I didn't time it, but it was. It was right around the right. It felt right.

[Jase Robertson]

It was 32 minutes.

[Phil Robertson]

32 minutes.

[Al Robertson]

That's great.

[Jase Robertson]

The goal was 30.

[Phil Robertson]

But now that you not see a clock, because I could. I knew you were struggling with something, but I'm sitting in the middle, by the way. I never get to use. If I'm there, I'm down front. I'm either participating in a service or I like being down front. But because it was Mother's Day, I sat back with Lisa behind side which is always interesting. So I'm in the middle of the audience yesterday, which is unusual for. So I don't have any idea. I'm just John Q member.

[Al Robertson]

You're just one of the people.

[Phil Robertson]

I was one of the sheep. I tried to complain to somebody, but nobody cared.

[Jase Robertson]

So you were complaining about me or.

[Phil Robertson]

No, just in general, because I don't.

[Zach Dasher]

Mean 32 minutes long at all.

[Al Robertson]

I think the sweet spot for a sermon is somewhere around the 48.

[Jase Robertson]

Here comes the over analysis.

[Phil Robertson]

Paralysis by over analysis.

[Jase Robertson]

Now, if you're just joining us, let me clear up, because some people. This may be the first time.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, that's right, the first time you're listening to.

[Jase Robertson]

We start every podcast, believe it or not, with a 3, 2, 1, by our lovely, unseen Maddie, who works behind the scenes. And. And it's a spectacular.

[Phil Robertson]

She's been. She's been the best hire for unashamed since Jace.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm gonna. I was trying to describe off the top of my head, she's a spectacular button pusher. She goes, three, two, one, push the button. So look, and if you don't think that's important, Maddie, that's one thing she does.

[Al Robertson]

Among many other things.

[Jase Robertson]

There are some.

[Phil Robertson]

That's just what she does to get us.

[Jase Robertson]

Don't minimize the button pushing, Zach, because there are some buttons you can push on this planet that the planet would then be destroyed. Everything in it would be laid bare. So pushing buttons is important. So that was the first thing. The second thing is, if you're just joining us, I actually preached in my hometown yesterday. It's the only time I get a little anxious and I could tell you were a little.

[Zach Dasher]

The Bible says no man is a.

[Al Robertson]

Prophet in his hometown. So you got up. I mean, you're going into the. To the area to where you may not.

[Zach Dasher]

Were you received well or how did you know?

[Phil Robertson]

Look, but I'll say this for J. Start, you know, you. I preached a lot. I mean, I used to preach, you know, every Sunday. But if you're not a little bit nervous about being a spokesman for the Almighty, then something's not quite right about you anyway. I mean, like, you ought to be a little apprehensive about.

[Jase Robertson]

Here's my take on it. I could be wrong, but my take is I do a lot of speaking. So you're like, well, why are you anxious in the hometown? I mean, can I be brutally honest? Here's the biggest factor is at where Al preaches and my parents, you know, have attended for years. The leadership there who are all dead now. Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

All our mentors are gone.

[Jase Robertson]

Who brought my parents to the Lord. But so there's a little nostalgia thing there.

[Phil Robertson]

It's been 50 years.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So I still, you know, I have a good place in my heart for the People there because of that. Look, they asked me to preach, okay. And. But I think when you preach or speak a lot, you know, people are excited when you go out from this place. People, the crowd.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, they came for you being at that event.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, right, right. And so it's. It's a way better crowd. Well, here at this church, they have two different. Simultaneously gatherings gathering under the same building. So one is watching it and the other is getting. It's in room. Yeah. Is a better way to say it. But unfortunately for y' all, and I've brought this up before, but, hey, I don't work there. You speak in the. The more conservative. And that's basically. I mean, I don't know any other way to say it.

[Phil Robertson]

More traditional.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, one is kind of traditional. They sing a cappella music and. Which is fantastic. I don't know any other way to say this. You kind of have the older people on one side and the younger more energetic. But they have you speaking in the older place most of the time. So for me, going all around the country, my first impression here, which I'm past it now because I've spoken there. I mean, I speak once or twice a year there. It's just, you know, I get a.

[Phil Robertson]

Lot of energy back.

[Jase Robertson]

It's like. I think the first time I spoke there, you know, after the Duck Dynasty craze and all that, I mean, I think I actually said, you know, reach down and check your pulse. You know, said something that I thought was profound. It was just cricket. It's like if I had that cricket button, I would play it two dozen times during the sermon. It just. It's not a lot of energy, except.

[Zach Dasher]

It'S not a shout back.

[Al Robertson]

They're not shout.

[Jase Robertson]

Except for two or three people.

[Phil Robertson]

There's a few in there shy.

[Jase Robertson]

And what's other. Kurt Lively. They shout and it's almost like an alarm clock to the assembly because it scares me. And look, yesterday, Sigh did it numerous times, but I couldn't understand what he was saying.

[Phil Robertson]

Usually I did because I was sitting right behind it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, here's the funny part. So I've never seen Sai do this. Now, this I heard when I gave the invitation. That's why I wrapped it up and I was like. Which I thought was, you know, pretty good.

[Phil Robertson]

It was.

[Jase Robertson]

The singers are just starting to sing and I hear Osiah say, come to Jesus, boys.

[Phil Robertson]

That's what he said.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, look, he's 80 yards from me. He said it so loud. I heard it. I was walking down. But I really think The. You know, the. The lesson was about God getting his family back. That was the overview of Ephesians. It was one of.

[Phil Robertson]

So our audience will love it because we did Ephesians last year, and then we preached Ephesians at our church. And so a lot of that I was able to roll into not. And I only go once a month, so other people preach. And we were able to hit those themes, which I learned a lot just from talking about Ephesians with y' all. So it really.

[Jase Robertson]

It.

[Phil Robertson]

It goes well together. And Jace's. Jace's role, he was. It was Mother's Day, so it was a little bit. But, you know, we kind of quit doing Mother's Day sermons a long time ago because you just kind of honor Moms. And Jace did a really unique thing. I'll let you know.

[Jase Robertson]

I did a Mother's Day ser.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, you did. As it turned out, you found a way to do that, which is pretty impressive.

[Al Robertson]

Mother's Day sermons are always mothers. You're so amazing. Father's Day sermons are.

[Zach Dasher]

Man up.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

Get up off your tail and get to work.

[Jase Robertson]

It was crazy. Is because I read when I got to the text, Ephesians 3, which is when he says the whole family, he said, I pray. You know, we pray. The father, who are our whole family derives its name. Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And we made a good point that I hadn't thought about that. Ephesians is a super family oriented book that I kind of miss. We just. We gone through it twice. I mean, more than I thought.

[Jase Robertson]

So I'm. I think this is interesting because if you're like, well, why don't we just watch it? But I think understand the process. I'm in my hometown, you know, I didn't think about doing this lesson until Friday.

[Phil Robertson]

So, by the way, he knew about it a month. So for those of you think, man, y' all just dropped it on him.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, let me just. Let's just back up here now. We did a couple podcasts. Look, I did an event the weekend before, which I did use as an illustration for this sermon. So I had Thursday and Friday off on purpose, because I was like, well, I got to preach. It gives me two days. Well, my brother Willie. Hey, do me a favor. You know, we got a little show coming out.

[Phil Robertson]

Here we go.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I had done two scenes, you know, before, and they. I was there maybe 90 minutes. There was no. It was just like, do, do your thing. You know, whatever the subject did it.

[Phil Robertson]

Feel like you're getting back on a bike doing that?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it was just so much. There was no conflict that, you know, when we did Duck Dynasty before, there was a certain tension between the production company and what they call us, the talent. But the family zero of that. So I thought, oh, there's nothing to it. So I looked down and he said, Thursday, you know, we got a scene we want you to do. And really, it wasn't a scene. It's real life, you know, and I can't talk about what it is. Right. Which I'm wondering why, because I actually haven't signed anything. I'm not under contract, which they have.

[Al Robertson]

Look, since what happened as one of the executive producers on the show, it makes me a little nervous right now.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it should, because let me tell you, when I tell you what happened Thursday, you need to go have a meeting after this podcast. So I look down at the call time and it says 10 o' clock, and it says rap time, 12:30. I was like, perfect, I'll go the same kind of deal, you know, of course, it was out in the woods. And, you know, so I drive down there, I show up.

[Phil Robertson]

You don't do your best studying at 10 to 12:30. Anyway, so, Zach, I turned 60 this year, which, you know, I used to think 60 was old until I got there. And then it's amazing how. How fast you get there. But I will say, at 59, I realized as I was getting to 60 that I needed to lose some weight. I was having some health problems, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and just generally not feeling great. So I tried it on my own. It was. I lost a little, but it was really a failure until I got some help. And really, it's thanks to our podcast that I found out about some great folks at PhD weight loss. Dr. Ashley Lucas is the founder. She's a registered dietitian. She has a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease, which gives her a passion for helping people to lose weight. And not just to lose it in the moment, but lose it for life. Thousands of clients have had success. Now. I am one of those clients. She helps teach you what to eat, when to eat, works on your relationship with food, and helps you make a decision to lose weight for life. If you're watching this online, here's a picture of me at the beginning. Not so pretty. But here I am now, all these weeks. 18 weeks later, going on my 19th week, I've lost £54. I feel great. There's no gimmicks, there's no pills, no shots. There's no side effects, which happens A lot of times with weight loss, I'm not eating rabbit food, I'm not hungry all the time. My medication's been cut in half. And so I'm hoping maybe when I get to the end of this, I'll be medication free. PhD weight loss even provides up to 80% of your weekly foods at no extra cost. So join me on my weight loss journey. Schedule your one on one consultation today by calling 864-644-1900 or you can visit myphdweightloss.com that's 864-644-1900. Tell them that Al sent you.

[Jase Robertson]

I show up at 10 o' clock thinking we're going to put a couple hours in, you know, whatever it is, you know, in real life we're going to do here. Because it was, it was actually my idea. They called me and he's like, you know, we heard about this. I was like, sure, I'll, I'll do that. Because I really liked it because this is happening in real life and this is breaking news.

[Phil Robertson]

Those of you that when you start watching the show that you know at some point Jason's going to show up.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So anyway, I Show up at 10 if there is a season.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, they can't fire because we never signed a contract.

[Jase Robertson]

So look, 10 to 1213, call time route 1230. I was like, okay, here we go. I had me a little glass of tea, you know and like, let's knock this out. Well, at 8:30 it's dark, 8:30pm, limping to the Wheeler that I brought to this and I'm coming home saying.

[Phil Robertson]

So there's no tension but there's also no time frame.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, I go home, I sleep till noon and I can't even get out of bed.

[Al Robertson]

I will, I will.

[Jase Robertson]

I called my assistant and I said we need to get some kind of contract moving forward. So not only did it take one of my study days, it ruined me for half of the next one.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, you were physically spent.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh my goodness. And so.

[Zach Dasher]

But you did make it back to Ephesians, correct?

[Jase Robertson]

So I did. But here's, here's what happened. I went out there, I was like, man, we just studied Ephesians. I know Ephesians like the back of my hand. I was, you know, probably self confidently approaching it. Well, I start writing the lesson. I didn't really have a title and the only reason I got one is because somebody from the team at, they needed. What's your title? I was like, that's a good question. Let Me, Let Me Go Knock it.

[Phil Robertson]

Which I love the title you came up with. It was really good.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I go out there and start writing. Well, the introduction. I looked down, I got the introduction. I was like, well, that's about 40 minutes. So I backed up. And so then they're still sending me texts.

[Phil Robertson]

Just like exact sermon.

[Jase Robertson]

Did you ever get that title? And I thought, I'm having trouble bringing this together. And so I said, yeah, I got it. When a plan comes together. Because I was inwardly thinking somewhere in the next 48 hours, I got to make God's plan to come together. So let's name it that via the Holy Spirit. And literally that was what they put up there when a plan comes together.

[Al Robertson]

So are you guys. So are you in Ephesians or.

[Zach Dasher]

This was the introduction.

[Phil Robertson]

Now this was the conclusion. Jase was doing the overview, wrap up.

[Jase Robertson]

Overview, wrap up of the whole book.

[Phil Robertson]

I had preached Ephesians 6, 10, 20, the last sermon. And then Jase was doing the wrap up. We tried to do an overview to begin. Look, this is right out of my training, Zach. You tell what you're going to tell. You tell it, then you tell what you told. So that was.

[Jase Robertson]

That's basically what it was. And I wasn't there for maybe only three or four. So it wasn't like I got listen to everybody and something. I just kept reading. Look, I literally kept reading the Feast. I'd write an intro and I'd say, Nope, that one's 50 minutes. So I started over. So about Saturday morning at maybe, because I pretty much stayed up till 2 or 3 o' clock in the morning, I kept rewriting the introduction. And about Saturday morning, at about 8, 9 o' clock, I went out to our little swing in our backyard and I spent about six hours. And I came in because I was hungry. Missy's like, you got your lesson done. I said, I have good news. I have the introduction.

[Al Robertson]

Which is 32 minutes.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I said, this is about 12. So you see what I mean? I had it. And that's, you know, why the problem.

[Al Robertson]

I tell you the problem. The problem is you're used to. You usually start the unashamed podcast with a story and you're. And you're used to.

[Phil Robertson]

He's used to 32 minutes.

[Al Robertson]

He's used to. You're used to a 32 minute open.

[Zach Dasher]

And.

[Al Robertson]

And so you're trying to apply that to your sermon and you're hitting up against today.

[Phil Robertson]

Is his hitting that theme? Yes.

[Jase Robertson]

So enough nonsense. This was the basic outline that I did. And I. You know, I started off with something that. Because I thought these people, you know, as far as I've already told you, you know, to me, it looked like. I mean, it's just. They need something to stir them from the outset. Because it's just laid back.

[Al Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

All the. All the illustrations I'm coming up with, or, you know, I don't want to say them, because it's basically. I mean, it was. It's a bit morbid, is. I guess we'll leave it at there. Leave it at that. So what I did was usually, you know, when you honor someone, you have them stand up, which I don't like, you know, because it's awkward. Like, if I'm the part, like, I'm in the group that has to stand up, I'm like, I don't want to stand up. And so I thought, ooh, I'm gonna do something different. I got an idea. So my opening thing was Happy Mother's Day. And I said, now listen very carefully. Cause I realize I'm doing something where the audience is gonna participate. So I didn't want this to be awkward for anyone. Cause I think they think I'm gonna have all the moms stand up. But I said, everyone who is not a mom, I want you to stand up and give our moms a standing ovation.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Which was brilliant.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think it worked because of. I had a couple jokes that I was going to say that are true that I thought would be funny. And. And they were.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Because I said, now, look, they're tired.

[Phil Robertson]

They need to be.

[Jase Robertson]

They need to be sick.

[Phil Robertson]

There are some women that said amen.

[Jase Robertson]

Crystal Lewis, my left. I said, they're tired. She went, amen. It was about the loudest amen I got.

[Phil Robertson]

It was a good one.

[Jase Robertson]

And so. And. And then I said, use this as a moment. And I was kind of using that idea of Ephesians 6, where it says, you have the armor of God on, and then you stand. It's. He says, about three times. I think you preached on that.

[Phil Robertson]

I did.

[Jase Robertson]

And I. I said, look, take this as the first. Whatever I said, first act of you, when you get back home, get off the couch, stand up and help the mom of the family. So. And all the women loved it. You know, there was actually another one from the women and Missy, who didn't get to hear the entire sermon because she. She went with our parents and was gonna, like, simulcast it and let them watch it, which they tried to, but people kept showing up. Our different members of her Family, because it was Mother's Day. So she's like, you said that, babe, where Was that at 30 years ago? I was like, babe, I've come a long way. So anyway, that was kind of where it started. And then I went to the Ephesians 3 that I mentioned, 14. And then I was like, what does this have to do with Ephesians? And I put everything, because I read. Then I had this thing about looking at Ephesians through Paul's perspective. And I went to Acts 17, the sermon he preached in reference to the unknown God, which kind of described how we got here, what we're doing here, and how we're leaving. And I mean to the planet, you know. And so I did that illustration that I had done on the. At the event the weekend before when I asked the redneck questions about where you from? And people said the state. Because they. I hadn't had anything biblical. I just said, let's get to know each other. Where are you from? Everybody said the state. I was like, what do you do for a living? Everybody said their job, said their job. I said, where are you headed? I mean, there was not a biblical context whatsoever, but the number one answer was heaven. And so then I kind of turned that around based on looking at it from God's perspective. The book of Ephesians, him being, you know, God the Father being for us, Jesus being with us, and the Holy Spirit being in us. And with the theme of the whole Bible, I made a quote that I don't know who said it in the first place about God getting his family back. And then I read all these verses where it's like, Ephesians 5, live a life of love as dearly loved children. Ephesians 1:4, you were adopted as sons. You know, it talks about the inheritance. All this is family language. And then he uses illustrations, you know, later on in the Bible about husbands and wives. But then he said, this is a mystery, but I'm talking about you and the church. Christ and the church. We're married to Jesus. One point I didn't make out that I wish I would had time for, because it was at the end was that. That I never thought about this before. That relationship we have with Jesus produces offspring, people that are born again. And I was going to go to John 1:12, you know, being born of God, it's not based on a physical thing.

[Phil Robertson]

So, which is so funny you said that, because where we're eventually going to land in John 8 is the question becomes, are you children of Abraham or children of God.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is a big question, which is kind of what you.

[Jase Robertson]

Which I brought, I did this thing I got. I couldn't remember at the time, but I think nt Wright came up with this. But it's nothing that any other human who's a believer hadn't kind of thought about. But he's like the plan of God comes out in six acts. Which one of them is yet to happen, which is Jesus coming back, which is the six act. But it's, you know, where it's creation, the fall, Israel. And I went through this, but I was talking in between and I was like, you know, after that fall. And of course I expounded on that being. It wasn't just that people sin. You also had this other being in the garden who came from the heavenly side, you know. And I had a thing on Ezekiel 28 I was going to do, but I didn't do that in the sermon.

[Al Robertson]

So al, it was the summer of.

[Zach Dasher]

1995 and me and you, you sat on a beach in Gulf Shores, Florida maybe or somewhere around there. And you told me about Camp Chioka and I went and it changed my life forever. So I want to thank you for that, brother.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, that's. You were at that point, Zach, you need that little nudge. And I knew camp is exactly what you needed.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

And then you have other celestial beings fall in Genesis 6. And then you're like, well, what did God do? He chose Noah. I kept that family theme. And then you think, okay, now we're good. Nope, still it goes off the rails because now you have other celestial beings roaming around whatever that is in Genesis 6. And so then what happens? You have the Tower of Babel, then the nations are divided. Well, what did God do? He chose a family. And then I did this thing about Abraham and Sarah, who's 190 years old. And then he gives them a child to show that this power is coming from me. And so I just kept that concept. But then you have all of it coming out in Jesus, which is the fourth act. Creation, fall, Israel, Jesus who. And then I made that statement, which I thought was good. How did he get here? Through a mom, you know, and God the Father and the Holy Spirit. But through a moment.

[Phil Robertson]

And you made me think about when you said that, I leaned over and told Lisa. I was like. And what's amazing is that's all about perspective, because Jesus knew he was coming and how he was going to come here. But from Mary and Joseph and Israel, at the time's perspective, this was not only an unplanned pregnancy, but this comes up, by the way, in this context we're in as an illegitimate child.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, you talk about of all the ways to come into the world, he chose one that we would have.

[Jase Robertson]

Never imagined was positive, which I didn't mention. This should have because this was at the front, which is why all of this became what Paul was referring it to as a mystery.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I thought that was fascinating. I didn't realize that until I prepared for this sermon.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

That the word mystery is used 28 times in the New Testament, but it's mentioned eight in Ephesians.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And so that was turned out to be the point.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is a third time. Yeah.

[Al Robertson]

The mystery is how specifically in Ephesians is how the Gentiles will be grafted into the family.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's one of them. But he uses the mystery in different context. The first time he uses it, I mean, I'll read it is in where's my glasses? When he says, and I made a point about in Christ let's see, where's the first one? This is crazy. Verse 9, Ephesians 1:9. He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, which I did a thing on that. It's literally dozens of times in Ephesians and it's hundreds in the New Testament to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. Now, granted, he's going back to the past and the Jewish role in that, which was that third act, but he's bringing all things under one head. So that's what I focused in on, the plan of God. That was my first point. And that was the first one I read about the mission. So every one of the points, which. There was only one point. It was that point. He's getting his family back. And then that led to the Gentiles being included, which. That was the second point, God's plan for people. So I have God's plan in Christ. God's plan, which is the family.

[Al Robertson]

Which is the family. That is. I think that the way.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I tied it all under the umbrella of the family. Yeah, yeah.

[Al Robertson]

Because the way it plays out in the Old Testament is that all peoples with. At the time was Adam and Eve.

[Jase Robertson]

That.

[Al Robertson]

That was everybody. So there was no division of peoples until Genesis 11. Everybody was like part of the same, you know, race and same national. There was no national distinction. And so there's a. The. The motif is family that happens through the fruitful multiplication. Right. Be fruitful and multiply. All the families of earth shall be blessed because of Abraham. So you see that, like running through and then coinciding with the fruitful multiplication of people is also dominion and cultivation. So when you read the Ephesians passage in Ephesians 1, it. It's more. It's not just the people. It's also the whole creation itself. So you have the concept of dominion, cultivation of the earth. But that happens through families.

[Zach Dasher]

I thought about this this week.

[Al Robertson]

I was thinking about. You ever known someone like that?

[Jase Robertson]

They.

[Al Robertson]

They had their life together, married couple and their yard. They. They had a nice yard, they had a nice house, they kept it clean, whatever. And then there, some kind of infidelity enters into the marriage. And anytime I've ever seen that happen with friends of mine and the marriage falls apart, I've always noticed that the cultivation and the dominion that they once exercised goes away and chaos enters in. They quit mowing their yard, they quit Caring about the house, they quit caring about their business, they quit caring about all these things, and it just gets devoured. I think there's something to this, that. That healthy families, which is the bedrock of civilization, they healthy moms and dads raising children together in the way of the Lord. That leads to cultivation of crop and gardening. It leads to building the things and creating things with the stuff that God's given us. I think that's kind of the mystery, because when it moves into Ephesians 3, he says very clearly in Ephesians 3:6, that this mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and members of the same body and partakers of the same promise in Christ Jesus through the Gospel. So that seems to be the whole thing. So you get to like Malachi, for example, and God, what he's like talking about divorce. He says the reason why he hates divorce is because he seeks godly offspring. That's why he hates it, because he seeks to have godly offspring that then will cultivate the new earth and the new heaven. So I think that's the picture that's kind of unfolding here.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you. I think if you listen to the sermon, you'll see how this went along. They're all connected. But it was more. I did this thing on the DNA of God being the glue of how this plan came forth, which the DNA. And I read several verses in there of love, light and life and kind of focused on the relational aspect. That's why I had God, the Father's forest. He's with us, he's in us. And I just made the point when you focus on the places instead of the person, I think it disrupts your theology a bit. And so I did this whole thing about heaven, earth and hell that was probably the most uncomfortable. Everybody was because I made a statement that I don't think I've made in public before that when you look up, up the phrase heaven and earth. Because I just read it in Ephesians 1 and verse 10. It's in the. The. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament hundreds of times in the same.

[Phil Robertson]

Verse, Correct, same context.

[Jase Robertson]

And I made a point that I. I asked the question, I said and I quoted a bunch of them later on in the sermon, you know, when Jesus prayed, your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven, when he got up and after he was raised and said, all authority on heaven in heaven and on earth has been given to me, therefore go make a disciple. So I quoted quite a few of those, but I said do you know how many times heaven and hell is mentioned in the same verse? And look, it was crickets.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and what's funny is you didn't hear me because I didn't say it loud enough for you to hear me. But I took a chance and I didn't know. But I took a chance that I knew where you were going. And I went, none.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And you said one person. I said, none. And you said, zero.

[Jase Robertson]

I said, zero.

[Phil Robertson]

Because when you said it, I. I did a quick thought in my process, in my mind. I thought, I don't know of one.

[Jase Robertson]

No, it's not in there. So, and, and so, so then I had to. I knew I was going to have to take a time out because people then think, what are you saying? It, there's not a hell. And I was like, oh, there's a hell. I said, but it came later. And so then I read Genesis 1:1 through 3. You know, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And I said, there's no mention of hell here. And so everybody's looking. I said, it came later. Pretty quick. Yeah, but. Because then you have the evil one right on the scene. But then I did an illustration that I thought very carefully about how to do. And this was all coming from Ephesians 1:4, the last two words where it says, he chose us in him before the creation of the world. So I went back to the creation of the world in Genesis 1. And those two little words are in love. He predestined us to be adopted as his sons. And so I made an illustration saying, I mean, look, it's not unlike God conscious people who are believers when they have a child, even though there's pain involved in giving birth to the child, and even though the child seems like he's in pain, they come out crying. I was like, there's no anger there from, from God conscious people, you know, of looking at their baby. I was. And then I said this as a joke. And all the women, if you notice, laugh.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I said, the anger comes later. And they all laughed. And I was like, and the only reason you're angry is because you love them. They're. They're not doing what they're supposed to be doing. They're like, what now?

[Al Robertson]

So, Al, as we get older, the.

[Zach Dasher]

Family continues to grow. Kids, grandkids. You're in the grandkid phase now, correct?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And you know, I will say this, and you never know till you get there, you begin to think about future and legacy. When your grandkids start to grow up, there's no doubt about it.

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[Jase Robertson]

And so that was the concept. And I was like the only way you can kind of see that because the Old Testament is filled with God being angry and judging it because why they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing. And so that's kind of how I went that route which led to me making the practical application of it's more important about who you're with than where we're going. And I was like, that's what the Bible teaches.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I use that as an illustration. The thief on the cross, which I've done in a podcast before. I heard it from someone else, but it was a very good point when he said, today you'll be with me in paradise. Well, all the Bible scholars out there immediately and all the curios the curious Christians are like, oh, what's this?

[Phil Robertson]

Paradise?

[Jase Robertson]

What's that? Let's. Let's break this down. Where. Let me find some other verses to see. And I said very loudly, is this in between?

[Phil Robertson]

Is this the final stop?

[Jase Robertson]

I got loud on this point. I remember. And I was like, you missed the whole point of what he said. He said, you'll be with me.

[Phil Robertson]

That was his point.

[Jase Robertson]

And so just think of all the times Paul says. Remember when he has this argument with himself and he's like, you know, I'm in a quandary about being here on earth or in the body or at home with the Lord. He constantly says that. And even this picture in Revelation 21, it's more about the Lord being the light and he is the temple. And so it's the same concept. I. I said, look, I'm not making a play about, you know, places. I'm just saying the Bible stresses he's getting his family back.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I. I had an illustration that I didn't do. But it's just like me and my wife, I mean, I've. I've done this multiple times because she loves to travel. I was like, babe, I think we need to take a trip. She's like. I mean, in. She's not saying, where are we going? The idea of me and her going somewhere is the emphasis.

[Phil Robertson]

The destination is secondary. Yeah.

[Al Robertson]

And I think Paul. Paul makes this point when he talks about the concept of hell in Second Thessalonians, chapter one. Listen to how he describes it to your point, Jace. He says that when the Lord returns and is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. So whatever the scene here is, it's kind of scary. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction. Well, what is that? Away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Al Robertson]

When he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. Believed because our testimony to you was believed. So when you think about it, like the two different people groups in the set at the Second Coming, one group is going to be shut out from the presence of the Lord, which seems to be the description of hell. So it's like. It's not like a. The emphasis is not on the place. The emphasis is on shut out from the presence of the Lord, the other side. Which means they won't be able to do what the saints are going to do, which it says, the saints are going to be on that day marveling at Jesus. They will marvel at the glory of Jesus. So the. The prize is that you're in his presence and you get to marvel at him.

[Jase Robertson]

What's funny is I had that verse in my notes that I didn't. The exact verse, because that's where I was getting into why God, to get his family back, had to defeat the powers that he also created, who did not want to have their servant role to bear the image of God and made a big deal about. About when you image God, whether it's a verb, adjective, or noun, you're reflecting. That's why I read number six, by the way, a promise of blessing. Because one of our moms, that is. I don't know how old she is. She doesn't look old, and she's probably 70, but she looks 50.

[Phil Robertson]

But she try 80.

[Jase Robertson]

Is she 80?

[Phil Robertson]

80?

[Jase Robertson]

And I don't want to mention her name since we're talking about age. But look, she has been one of the biggest encouragers to that church family there for years. And she's a single.

[Phil Robertson]

And she actually texted me later in the day because we always. Because it was Mother's Day. And she sent me a picture of her grandkids. And I said, you got mentioned today in the sermon. I said, you're going to go back and listen to it. And she sent me back. She said, no way.

[Jase Robertson]

No, she did. Because, look, I have heard this woman. I actually made a joke. I was like, it's not like I'm hanging out with her, you know, but through the years, I have heard her quote number six in my presence or to me dozens of times, which means she has said that thousands of times to people. And I wrote it down. It says. And it look, this is way before Carrie Jobe and Cody Carnes, who I think are married, but I think she's still called Carrie Job, came up with this. They made a song out of it during COVID but it says, the Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord turn his face towards you and give you peace. I will put my name on Israel and bless them. But my whole point is.

[Phil Robertson]

And then she would always close it by saying, the Lord loves you and I love you. Yeah, that was her tagline.

[Jase Robertson]

The whole purpose for me reading that is this. We're here. Which is really what sin is, is when you're not imaging God, you're doing something contrary to the image of God, you. You missed the mark. That's what sin, sin means. Think about that. 2 Corinthians 3. You know, we all with unveiled faces reflect the Lord's glory. And so I forgot where we were going with that. But I used the same thought process on that verse. Zach was my point. So I had God's plan in Christ. Then I had God's people in Christ, which was the Jew and gentiles coming as one. I read Ephesians 3:6, and then I backed up after I'd done kind of the heaven and earth thing and got into that temple in Ephesians 2.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, 19.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, 19 through 21. And where it says, we join together, rise to become a holy temple in the Lord and in Him. There it is again in Christ. You two are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives. So I wrote down this, and I put a star back because I thought, no matter where the time goes, I want to read this. So I read this off my notes. In Christ is where God and humans meet. Heaven and earth are connecting, are connected. Heaven and earth are connected. Jesus is in heaven representing us. And I read the Hebrews 2:14, where he. He defeated the evil one or disarmed him. He said, I came here to destroy his work because he had the power of death. And that's the point I was going to make, is that that was the whole reason that he had to be defeated, because the DNA of God is love, light and life. Well, that conversation about death in the garden, oh, that got his attention because God's eternal. So now the evil one and humans sin, they have disrupted the plan of God's family here because death is brought into the equation. And that's what I think a lot of people miss about all this, that we just act like it's all about the sin. Well, if you die God's eternal, how are you going to live with him? And so I think that was an important point. And so I read or quoted Hebrews 9:24 that you want to talk about atonement. This is the most neglected, neglected, neglected aspect of atonement is Hebrews 9:24, when Jesus went into heaven itself and is displayed on our behalf. Right. I mean, you talking about culminating that it's making God's presence available, which when you Throw in Ephesians 4:10, that says the reason he ascended is so that he could fill the universe.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

So he's at the right hand of God. Then he pours out his spirit. So he makes the presence of God there, which then makes the other mystery. In Ephesians 3, 10, it makes it make sense that. That his intent was now through the church. It says mystery in verse nine. It says the administration of his mystery. His intent was through the church. All the colors of God's wisdom should be made known where to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms. Because Jesus is sitting there on our behalf. That's why he also says in Ephesians 2, 6, after we receive God's grace from the gift of Jesus Christ, he seated us with him, with Christ in the heavenly realms because he's seated there, which I didn't go into this in detail, but I had some notes on it. So him sitting at the right hand of God is why we're standing for him on the earth, because he gets into that in Ephesians 6, which I think was a really good point. So then, so I had God's plan in Christ, God's people in Christ, the Jews and Gentiles coming together. And then God's church in Christ, which I just read that one, Ephesians 3, then God's family in Christ. And I went to the Ephesians 5 passage where the whole thing's about husbands and wives. And then all of a sudden he's like, what about you and the church? That's the mystery. I'm talking about you and the church. Which that offspring produces people that are born again forever.

[Phil Robertson]

Families.

[Jase Robertson]

Family, which goes to John 1:12 goes to John 3. You won't see the kingdom, you won't enter the kingdom unless you're born in the spirit. We're men who stare at trees and we love it.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

And so then the last thing I did was in which I did this really quick was God's individuals in Christ. Because then Paul like personally says this, which I hadn't noticed before. But he says, and this gets into us being ambassadors. This is Ephesians 6:19. He says, Pray also for me that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel for which I am an ambassador in chains. And it says, pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should. And I think if you think about all those other verses and him talking about the mystery and why it was a mystery which I got into that 1st Corinthians 2. The whole reason this is a mystery is that that if the rulers, 1st Corinthians 2:7, if they would have known their demise, their power of death would be defeated by Jesus dying. It said they would. The Paul said they wouldn't have crucified him, right? So that's why the whole thing is a mystery and it's hard to wrap your head around and why it took me 30 hours to put it together. Because you're going back to the Old Testament and it's all under this cloud of mystery because he was keeping it a secret or they wouldn't have done it. His death destroyed their power of death. And so it allowed for, you know, people, all people, to receive God's spirit. And if you have the spirit in you, even Though you die, you live. He defeated it, you know.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and that's one of the reasons why I like the idea you laid out of the. Of the acts or the. How'd you put it?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it's like the acts of the drama, God getting his family.

[Phil Robertson]

And so what was really good about that is that underlying theme was that there's a villain in our drama that we didn't have anything to do with creating. And really without God and Christ, we couldn't really deal with in any way because it's outside of our sphere. And so I thought that was really powerful because you made the point about, in Hebrews 2, about Jesus, death and resurrection, defeating that fear of death in the evil one, which was a huge piece of that puzzle. But look, Jason, I think in an overview lesson, because I did the overview to begin this book months ago, a good overview lesson is one that when you go back and look at it, and I've noticed it now that you've gone through it today on the podcast, it could be about six other sermons. Any of those points you laid out that were a point in your deal, like a genre could have been its own sermon. But that's what an overview does. It shows you in the power of a book. These letters that were written is that Paul laid out. I mean, this book was full of some themes that were incredible.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

And then when you break them down in a smaller way, but then you got to have that big picture of looking at it.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm glad you brought that up, because my. My goal, and I think this is helpful, or we wouldn't be talking about it, is like, I tried to give a grid to go by to understand the book. That's why I brought up the DNA thing. If you just noticed every time he talks about light, love, and life in Ephesians, you're seeing God. That's how he works. That's who he is. And if you look at every time he brought up mystery, he was saying, I'm making this known to you in every context. He was like, this has to get out. And so then what was it really about? Well, look at all the family language that he was using as an illustration. But in fact, it is a reality. This is about God and humans living together forever, dwelling together, as the verse says, says, living together throughout eternity. So one thing, when you brought up the. We didn't bring up the light, but we're going to get into that in John 8, you know, next time.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Where he says, I'm the light of the world. You know what? Something fascinating. I wish I'd had time to do it. You remember when we did the. This would be a good segue to the next time we get into John. When I read that about this guy who was a scientist, you know, and they figured out this laser light and we went through all the jewels, and Revelation 21 that we ascertain is. Is a depiction of us. It's like those lights under a microscope.

[Phil Robertson]

They weren't the best jewels. Yeah, they wasn't from a human perspective.

[Jase Robertson]

But you know what I found fascinating now is that in Ezekiel 28, talking about spiritual warfare, because I had a whole section on it, which I mentioned it, but I didn't get into detail. When Satan is compared. And granted, it's kind of mysterious because he's talking about the King of Tyre, but then all of a sudden he starts going back to the garden and the evil one there and telling that story, which is the two kingdoms. Because. And I read this in the sermon in Ephesians 2, 1, 4. I addressed that about the sin and all. But it says we were under. What does it say? The power of the kingdom of the air. Let me get the exact phrase that. Ephesians 2, it says we were all dead in our sins and transgressions in which we used to live when you followed the ways of the world. And the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit, who is. Does it now work in those who are disobedient? And he mentions Jesus kingdom in Ephesians 5, which he's saying, if you're into being greedy or sexual immorality or impurity, which is the same word for this unclean spirit, you'll have no part in the kingdom of Christ. And so. So because you've become an idolater, you're not surrendered to the one true God, and you know, his DNA. So I had depicted that. But when I read that. Ezekiel 28. So in the second half, when he talks about the evil one, this is fascinating. This is. Wait for. This is truly fascinating. So when he gets to comparing the King of Tyre to the evil one, look what he says in Ezekiel 28:12. It says, this is what the Sovereign Lord says. You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Look at this next phrase. And every precious stone adorned you. Look, he mentions all those stones that this is what he was wearing, evidently, in his garb. And it's just an indication of God's beauty, of having a role in God's plan. I mean, him giving you life, he gave the evil one not only life in a spiritual sense, but he also gave him a job. Same thing he does with us. Which is why Christ, I mean, Paul, while he's changed to a post in prison, said, I'm going to be an ambassador for Christ. And we're reading this letter 2000 years later. Good job, Paul. And so then what happened? Your settings and mountings were made of gold on the day you were created. They were prepared, which is what you got to remember. He was a created being in the celestial world with a job. And it was to help humans, not try to convince them into doing something that God didn't want, which is the same thing he did. And then it says, you were anointed a guardian cherub. And so I ordained you. You were on the Holy Mount of God, which is also a depiction of the garden. You were blameless, verse 15 in your ways from the day you were created until wickedness was found in you. Well, what happened? He didn't want to keep his rock. And so then it goes on to say, so I drove you in disgrace and I expelled you from the garden. And I mean I expelled you, O guardian Cherub, in verse 17, your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. I threw you to the earth. And I'll skip down to the last verse. It says, all the nations who knew you or appalled at you, you have come to a horrible end and you will be no more. I mean, it was a prophecy there that Jesus going to take you down. Which goes back to Genesis 3:15. The curse put on him was that through a mob and her offspring, he will crush you. Which is, I think, when you look at it from a holistic view, God getting his family back. The defeat of the powers that didn't want to image God is part of that plan.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, which is why I love these little glimpses you get in the Bible of the other part of our drama as you described it. It was good. It was excellent. For those of you wondering, you can go to the wfrchurch.org to see Jace's sermon in its entirety or mine a couple of weeks prior to that. So we'll be back in John chapter 8. We pick it up next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.