Ep 1103 | Jase Sees Phil’s Legacy Spark a Gospel Fire in His Own Son

Summary

Episode Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1103 | Jase Sees Phil’s Legacy Spark a Gospel Fire in His Own Son

Release Date: June 4, 2025

In Episode 1103 of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family," hosts Tread Lively delve deep into the profound impact of Phil Robertson's legacy on his son Jase, exploring themes of faith, family dynamics, and personal growth. This episode is a heartfelt reflection on how Phil's unwavering Christian faith continues to ignite a passion for the Gospel in the next generation.

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1. Phil's Legacy and Its Impact on Jase

Timestamp: [01:03] - [07:14]

The episode begins with Jase sharing warm greetings to returning guest Jill, highlighting her integral role in the podcast. The conversation swiftly transitions to Phil's influence on Jase's spiritual journey. Al Robertson humorously recounts ongoing debates with Jase, setting a lighthearted tone before delving into more serious reflections.

Phil reflects on a poignant moment during a funeral, where an interaction with Jase's father exemplified the deep-rooted legacy of faith he embodies:

Phil (03:44): "I forgot that 90% of what he says is a joke. Am I right?"

This anecdote underscores Phil's ability to blend humor with heartfelt spirituality, creating an environment where faith is both approachable and profound.

2. Family Dynamics and Shared Stories

Timestamp: [07:14] - [16:48]

The Robertson family shares intimate stories that highlight their close-knit relationships and the chaotic yet loving environment they foster. Al describes gatherings at their home, likening it to a "revolving door" of guests, which symbolizes the bustling energy and constant interaction within the family.

Jase reminisces about the impact of Phil's legacy on their familial bonds:

Phil (05:02): "So I thought, maybe I am too hard on it."

This sentiment reveals the internal reflections and growth stemming from Phil's influence, encouraging family members to reconsider their approaches and embrace a more compassionate outlook.

The conversation shifts to Al and Jill's early marital experiences, detailing their first fight over grocery shopping items—a humorous yet telling story about their initial attempts at budgeting and compromise:

Jill (15:02): "I have a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important."

This story not only adds levity but also illustrates the foundational dynamics that have strengthened their marriage over the years.

3. Legacy and Media Representation

Timestamp: [17:18] - [37:18]

The discussion moves towards Phil's portrayal in media, particularly reflecting on the Duck Dynasty series. Jase shares his mixed feelings upon watching old episodes, feeling both nostalgic and emotionally conflicted:

Jase (28:30): "They were continually... just break out in song over something the pianist playing."

Phil adds depth by recounting his observations of Phil's public persona versus his private spiritual life, emphasizing the authenticity and messiness inherent in their faith journey:

Phil (37:18): "It's like Phil was erasing what's called the secular sacred divide."

This segment highlights the dichotomy between public perception and personal reality, showcasing how Phil's genuine faith transcends scripted television.

4. Faith Journeys and Spiritual Growth

Timestamp: [37:18] - [49:21]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to exploring the individual faith journeys of the Robertson family members. Phil discusses his transformative experience at age 14, detailing how witnessing Phil's ministry spurred him to engage more deeply with the Bible:

Phil (43:03): "I need to study my Bible, you know, because he's talking the same story."

Al and Jase elaborate on their own paths to faith, emphasizing the personal struggles and eventual embrace of spirituality that Phil's legacy inspired. They discuss the importance of personal testimony and authentic sharing of faith:

Al (49:20): "It was when it was connect... it did seemed authentic."

This segment underscores the episode’s central theme: Phil's enduring legacy fosters a sincere and impactful spiritual awakening in his children and grandchildren.

5. Final Reflections and Call to Action

Timestamp: [49:21] - [57:45]

As the episode draws to a close, the Robertson family reflects on the broader implications of Phil's legacy for the Unashamed Nation—their community of listeners dedicated to spreading the Gospel. They emphasize the importance of authentic faith expression and the power of personal testimony in overcoming skepticism and building a genuine spiritual community.

Jase passionately encourages listeners to carry forward Phil's torch:

Jase (57:27): "That's a call to action for the Unashamed Nation. You’ve been with us from the beginning..."

Phil reiterates the transformative power of God working through imperfect people, highlighting the messiness and authenticity that make faith relatable and powerful:

Phil (53:58): "It's a demonstration of what the spirit's power."

The episode concludes with a heartfelt invitation for listeners to engage more deeply with their faith, inspired by Phil Robertson's unwavering commitment and the family's own spiritual journeys.

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Notable Quotes:

• Phil (03:44): "I forgot that 90% of what he says is a joke. Am I right?"
• Jill (15:02): "I have a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important."
• Phil (37:18): "It's like Phil was erasing what's called the secular sacred divide."
• Al (49:20): "It was when it was connect... it did seemed authentic."
• Jase (57:27): "That's a call to action for the Unashamed Nation. You’ve been with us from the beginning..."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Unashamed with the Robertson Family" offers a moving exploration of how Phil Robertson's steadfast faith and authentic living continue to inspire and shape the spiritual lives of his descendants. Through personal anecdotes, heartfelt reflections, and a strong emphasis on genuine faith, the Robertson family invites listeners to embrace their own spiritual journeys with courage and authenticity.

Transcript

[Jill]

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[Jase]

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[Phil]

What about you?

[Jase]

Welcome back to Unashamed. Jill. Welcome to Unashamed. We always love having you on the podcast.

[Jill]

Thank you.

[Phil]

She's been a breath of fresh air. She doesn't realize what goes on here every day. And she just. She bumbles and fumbles her way into asking questions that I've been asking for years. And then all of a sudden, it gets qu. Because they think in that moment, Jace was right.

[Al]

I can't tell you what it was about, but Jason and I have had a ongoing argument. Ongoing argument.

[Jill]

I had no idea, by the way.

[Al]

And so Jill asked a question and it has to do with the way we. Some of the production stuff on the podcast. And Jill said, why don't y' all do it this way?

[Phil]

It seemed to line up with what I've been saying for the last four years.

[Al]

But Jace is over there on his phone, completely obtuse out of. He's not engaged. Teas. Whatever He's. He's doing whatever he's doing.

[Phil]

I was looking up a Bible verse.

[Al]

He's looking up a Bible verse. Me and Jill are having our own conversation. And. And I kid you not, when he heard her say that, it was like. It was like the whole posture. He. He postures up. Like, head comes up like a. I mean, the best way to describe it is if I was swimming in the ocean and I barely pricked my finger and a. I mean, just a microscopic piece of blood, you know, started to come out of my hand and the shark, the senses of the shark pick it up and it's like.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Al]

And he was just. He was ready.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Al]

I mean, he Came. You came to life.

[Phil]

Yes. The predator.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I will break this tension with. With saying I have a deeper understanding. Every once in a while. You have to get an understanding of where we came from. And so I had an embarrassing moment during the funeral because I was a bit in a fog, and we've talked about that, but your dad came up, and I hadn't been around in your dad in a while, and so I guess I was. I was vulnerable. And so I said, hey, how's it been going? You know? And he made some joke. Then I realized, okay, I forget that 90% of what he says is a joke. Am I right?

[Jase]

Was it like a middle school joke?

[Phil]

It was junior high level. I don't even remember what it was. And then I was like, how you been doing? And then the embarrassing moment, I said, did you ever marry that old gal that you were dating? Well, then in that moment, he looks to his left, and then I realize this is his new wife.

[Jase]

Oh, my word.

[Phil]

And she kind of turned a little red. And I'm sure I turned a little red because I thought, gulp. That was her stupid. She was standing right next to. And I didn't recognize her. What do you say? Well, he then went into typical Gordon mode because he, like you said, I had a little blood of embarrassment coming.

[Al]

Out, you know, so that he struck.

[Phil]

So then I said, oh, so you said, yes, I wonder why? And she was fixing to answer, but Gordon interrupted and said, well, she married me for my sexual prowess, which I look back at.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jill]

I didn't need that visual.

[Phil]

I looked up at her and she said, exactly.

[Al]

Oh, wow.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Jase]

She says it.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah. And she said, you know, he almost died on our honeymoon.

[Al]

That is true.

[Jase]

That is true.

[Jill]

He had to get a. A pacemaker put in.

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil]

What are you doing, man? And he said, she's grown to love this pacemaker.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And I was like, okay, Gordon, that's enough. I. I can't. So then. But then deep down, when I sat and reflected, I felt a lot more sympathy towards you.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

So I thought, maybe I am too hard on it.

[Al]

It's hard. It was hard. Yeah, it was hard.

[Jill]

This is a moment, I think y' all just. That was just a moment.

[Al]

We. We had interesting fathers, both of us. You know, obviously, my dad's still with us, but I think about their relationship, too, was very interesting. And watching those two interact was quite the. It's quite the pair as well.

[Phil]

Well, I mean, it was a journey of like when you put a yuppie on a far Extreme side. When you put a wilderness man on the far extreme of the other side, and then Christ in the middle.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And it probably took 20 years for that to become one new humanity.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

But it really. It really did. They became, you know, sitting on the porch type of friends.

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase]

Well, one of my favorite exchanges, every time Gordon would come in, he. Dad would say, dasher, you got to look about. You. You got to look about. And he says that in a way that's not. It's not really a complimentary.

[Al]

It's like looking.

[Jase]

And. And then Gordon would always say, you're taught. You're telling me about the way someone looks, like you're. You're making a comment about looks. Have you seen yourself? But it was just that.

[Al]

And then later he'd say, we're in the airport, and me and you're walking to the airport. People look up and they say that. And they point to me and say, that guy's got a look about it.

[Phil]

I remember Gordon came in one time and he said, huh. And Gordon was like, huh. Because Gordon didn't know why he was going, huh. But, I mean, that's not usually how you greet someone you haven't seen in a while. And he said, what's. What's. And Phil said, I'm trying to figure out why a man would wear that shirt in the woods. It was a pink collared shirt. And he said, so you woke up this morning and thought, okay, I'm going down to see old Rob in the woods. I think I'm gonna put this shirt. He said, so that's why I went, huh? He can make this up. That's hilarious.

[Al]

I just want to apologize for the interaction you had. That was. That was.

[Phil]

Yeah, it was awkward. I. I was kind of embarrassed.

[Al]

Well, I wish I hadn't heard about it, to be honest with you, but.

[Jase]

When you know, look, you never know. Like, you know, Jan was so beloved to us. And so when I first heard that Gordon was dating somebody serious, you know, he. He called me. I mean, we. We're pretty tight, too. And just, you know, we had a serious conversation, which are rare with Gordo, but you know about it. And I said, well, Gordo, you know, I don't know. You know, I mean, my. My first thought is, I mean, if you need to get married, get married. But at the same time, you know, you're. You're bringing another family into your life. I mean, there's a lot of. I was just very honest about it, just like I would be with anybody that's like thinking about a second marriage late in life, and. And then I met her, and I was like, oh, my goodness. Like, she's got the perfect personality to work for Gordo, you know, because. Not sure. And so I love her in a whole new way. So different from Janet. What I love about the most is we can talk about Jan, which we do often, especially her influence on dad and, you know, and everything like that. And she. She. She asked questions like, she never seems like it makes her feel weird. No talking about. She's so good.

[Jill]

Yeah. I love her.

[Phil]

Well, the Gordon's best qualities. He's unoffendable.

[Al]

The canopy.

[Phil]

Yeah. And I feel like that's a safe place to be. I mean, even as embarrassing is what I did. He. He never missed a beat. And he dishes it out, but he can take it. Oh, yeah, it's. That's a. That's a good quality.

[Al]

I mean, yeah, Reed. Reed came over because I guess the night before we got here, they were already here, and apparently there was a gathering, a family gathering, I think, at your house, Al with K. Well, the.

[Phil]

Gathering is still going.

[Al]

Well, I mean, there was one gathering.

[Jase]

Since I've been gone, there's been people. There's been. I've received so many texts of people that are at my house. It's such a bizarre thing.

[Al]

We're staying at Alice house right now, and it has been a revolving door of.

[Jill]

Well, our house is a revolving door. We come to Louisiana, and the place we stay at in Louisiana is a revolving door.

[Al]

Yeah, we came to get away, but then it's like. But it's kind of fun because, like, Reed shows up this morning. I'm cooking breakfast, and he walks in with the three kids, and we're talking.

[Phil]

Well, see, last night I had a feel moment because I thought, well, Bill's not here anymore, and I guess I'm going to have to be the guy that just says things that needs to be said. Yeah. And I had one last night.

[Al]

What'd you say?

[Phil]

Well, they were. You know, I was going to study for the podcast, and I thought, you can't study in this place. I mean, there's kids everywhere running, and it's all hours of the night, and it's. The compound is just a revolving door. And I. I just finally, it got quiet for one second during the LSU game, and I just said, look, don't take this the wrong way, but I got a question. So everybody turned around, including the kids. I said, when are y' all gonna leave.

[Al]

This in the most loving way possible? When do y' all leaving?

[Jase]

Jace, you should have asked Shane and Shane if they know that country song. How can I miss you if you never leave?

[Al]

Shane E stayed with us last night, and it was just funny thinking about, like, how many. I'm like, he's getting to witness it. But then Gus Jep's kid comes over yesterday with. With a couple of your grandkids out. Y' all gotta. Y' all. Which you eat healthy, but your pantry is like.

[Jase]

We call it the diabetes.

[Jill]

It's like the Diabetes Corner for Kids snack edition.

[Al]

And I mean, when I tell you, Jace, every kid in the neighbor, it is a compound. Like, I mean, that part would bother me. Probably having that many. I mean, you got to spend a fortune. I mean, they were coming there, and they're just wiping out, like, the locusts.

[Phil]

Yeah, just one.

[Al]

I mean, about every 15, 20 minutes, a new kid's coming in. And some of them are so small. Some of these kids are so small that they literally have to climb up cabinet, and they're just like. It's like a free for all.

[Phil]

That's what this week has been. It's been filled with. I sent Cole. Oh, man. You know, he's engaged.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I was like, we're out of garbage bags. Because what happens is you got so many people. The amount. The volume of food being just delicious. It's crazy.

[Al]

So I know a lot of you guys out there may have thought, well, it wasn't supposed to get this bad. You were on top of your bills. And then all of a sudden, inflation hits. Grocery gases, everything sh. I was just here in Western Road with you guys and Al. I went to the restaurant. I won't say the name of the restaurant, but the price of the dinner that I always got went from 10.99 when I was here to now 18.99.

[Jase]

It's all high, Zach. It's all high.

[Al]

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[Jase]

Yeah, I can totally relate to this because Lisa and I, you know, are a period of our lives. We really struggle with debt. Credit card debt, through the roof. And so I wish I had known about these guys.

[Al]

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[Phil]

You don't think about little things like going through, you know, a 30 bag.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Garbage.

[Jill]

30 gallon bag.

[Phil]

Yeah. We're just going through them. Run out of places to put the garbage. That's another thing. I'm hauling garbage around the back.

[Jase]

Truckloads. Yeah, truckloads.

[Phil]

So I said, call. I figured, you know, he's grown man. I was like, go buy some garbage bags. He comes back, you know, because he. He's making it on his own. You know, he buys the cheapest.

[Al]

You're like.

[Jill]

So he.

[Phil]

Well, I didn't realize that. He puts it in the garbage. Well, then they fill the garbage. By the time I get up in the morning, it's ready to take out again. I recently grabbed that thing, and it was a disposable garbage bag. It didn't even make it out of the box. When I pulled it up, it just went everywhere. Just garbage in every direction. And so I said, nope. I looked around, I looked at them little bags he bought. I could just rip them by hand. And I took off to the store. I went and bought some quality garbage bags and come back. Missy's like, where you been?

[Al]

I was like, at the store.

[Phil]

I send our grown man to go. And he just. He hadn't figured it out yet.

[Al]

There's certain things you can't, because I'm pretty cheap.

[Jill]

Garbage bags is one of them.

[Al]

Yeah, there's some things you can't do generic on.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Al]

You know. Now, Jill, I will tell you this.

[Jill]

Well, it's funny you say that, because our first fight, although we're not gonna talk about our fight, don't bring it.

[Al]

Up in this one.

[Jill]

But I do remember.

[Jase]

Tell us, Jill. Tell us about your first.

[Jill]

First marital fight. I was 20 years old when we got married. He was 23. Was in the grocery store. And you've got to keep in mind, I had dreamed about this moment. I wanted to be a wife my whole life. I feel like I was just ready. I couldn't wait. And so going grocery shopping.

[Phil]

This is foundational.

[Jill]

It's foundational. And I never lived by myself until we got married, so I didn't.

[Al]

Which means she never had a budget.

[Jill]

I had a dorm room. No budgets. We're not there yet. And so I was so excited. We're married. We've got our grocery cart. We're just going down the aisle. Ooh, Doritos. I got a bag of Doritos, put it in there. He took the bag of Doritos, put it back on the shelf, and he got the fake Doritos and put it in there.

[Phil]

I was like, doritos? A fake Doritos, huh?

[Al]

Sam's Choice.

[Jill]

Sam's Choice.

[Al]

Like the off brand.

[Jill]

I overlooked that.

[Phil]

You then realized that this marriage is going to be difficult.

[Jill]

Well, not yet. Not yet. I'm still trying to be.

[Jase]

I would have.

[Phil]

I would have taken it right there.

[Jill]

Still trying to be sweet, Jill. You know, I have. You know, and I'm like, okay, I'm just submissive wife. We'll get the fake Doritos. So I get a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Jill]

Get the daisy sour cream, put it in the grocery. He takes the daisy sour cream out, puts it back on the shelf, and gets the Sam's Choice or sour cream. And that was it.

[Al]

The daisy sour cream is where she's like, we're not like. It was the daisy Sour. I learned what her idol was.

[Phil]

Can I speed up this story? Yeah, she was right. Yeah.

[Jill]

I left. I left the cart. I just said, okay, and I just hightailed it in my high heels out of that grocery store.

[Al]

Because I was also chastising her. I was like, let me tell you how this works in the real world. But at the time, I didn't have any diplomacy. You learned diplomacy later in marriage. So I'm like. Like, I'm gonna get my way by. I'm gonna just marginalize her. And so, yeah, I just, like, let.

[Phil]

Me tell you, I'm the ball. You went, I'm the boss.

[Al]

Well, it's more like, let me tell you something how this works. Your daddy's not running the show anymore. Yeah. You don't have daddy's credit card. Yeah. This is like, my tone.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Al]

I mean, like, I'm. I'm working hard.

[Phil]

You know what's fascinating about this story is that was also one of our first fights. But I was in your role. I was. And she was taking it out. She was.

[Al]

She was good. But she ran the money, though, didn't she?

[Phil]

Well, she was like, we. We can't. We don't have any money.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And I was like, you're buying.

[Al]

You're buying name brand product.

[Phil]

Yeah. So my approach was a little different. I was just like, let me tell you how this is going to work. Because then I went the Zach roll. Let me tell you how this is going to work, where we will save money on all items of life except one, food. Because I said, where I come from, we live to eat.

[Jill]

Yeah.

[Phil]

So we're not skimping. I mean, this is the last wall of defense for our integrity as human beings.

[Al]

Well, I mean, I will say Jill one, because we are a Daisy. We did only do Daisy sour cream. Now that's the only one we do.

[Jase]

Well, from a. And from a marriage perspective, the reason both you, as couples and families have managed and done well is because one of you kind of had those tendencies. I was thinking about when y' all were describing that. Lisa and I, neither one had those tendencies, so we just built a mountain of debt and ate whatever we wanted to. That's. You need somebody, like, saying, you know, maybe we need to, like, watch out for our P's and Q's and our pennies. So in a marriage perspective, it's good to have that balance. But you. Yeah.

[Al]

It's always been fun at your house, though, Al. It's.

[Jase]

I know it. Our house is fun. There's no doubt about that. Which I. I don't know if. So I wanted to talk about the show, too, because so they ran old episodes all day, and it looked like to me, just from watching it, they kind of centered on the kids because it's kind of a next generation show. And so I. I have to admit, I mean, like, we have friends over, and I had set to record. I was just going to watch it later, but all our friends are like, are we watching the show? And I was like, yeah, of course. But so I turned it on and we watched about three old episodes, and there was one on there, Jays, that Reed was in with long hair, and I didn't even remember that episode. Like, you're teaching him how to, I don't know, like, do his music and stuff. But I. Yeah, I just found myself, like, lost in the whole thing. And of course, you know, dad's so central and everything, and so I was kind of just fighting emotions. And then the new show came out that was really good. Loved it. Loved the kickoff, which is kind of. It's just a great transition to me having the opening scene with. With Jason and Jeff Inside Willie. But I just. I just. I loved it. I thought it was as a fan, you know, because it's kind of. As a fan watching it. I don't. But what. What was y' all's take?

[Phil]

I didn't see it, but I sent my representatives read and. Right. And they went to the premiere party, but that. That was their tape. They said they did a tribute with Phil at the end. So I thought.

[Al]

Did you see that part, Al?

[Jase]

Yes. Yeah. I had a house full of people, so I was trying to lose it.

[Phil]

I give you the backstory on that. I don't know if they revealed it, but, you know, Phil was in decline then, but Willie was kind of seeing the. You know, the tea leaves here, that Phil was just really struggling. But he was like, I want to. I want to give. Because he came to me and asked. He said, I want to give Phil a speech about the future of Duck Commander. Do you think he'll, like, be with me? Because I spent more time in the past few days. And I said, no, he's. He's not. You know, he just wasn't doing real good. And I said, but I think Phil is understanding more than people think. I said, so if you give the speech, I think he will give you a response one way or another. And so basically he did, and just the cameras came in behind. Behind Willie, and I think he was oblivious to all that. So Willie gave the speech, and then Phil's response. That's the one little scene they showed, and that's all they film. He gave a response. And I don't know if I want to say it, but I guess that since it premiered, you know, it's out there. I didn't want to ruin the. Yeah, he gave him a thumbs up, which is. Yeah, Phil would. Which we grew to love those thumbs up during this process, because as much as you didn't think he was with you, he would give you a thumbs up.

[Al]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I didn't. I had seen the original cut, but that wasn't in there. The one I saw that wasn't in there. And so I hadn't seen that. I had not seen that footage. And so we're sitting there watching it, and because this is. Yeah, it's Doug Dynasty. It's funny, has that vibe to it, but, man, when I saw that, our whole table was just like, whoa, okay.

[Phil]

Yeah. Reed said everybody kind of. It just choked up.

[Jase]

Well, and they even. They even included a scene before that where, you know, Corey did an interview. Bite about, you know, how it affected Willie and, you know, just. It was. It was a serious moment, which the show is mostly light hearted, like it was, but, you know, so I. I immediately was touched when they did that, and then I kind of forgotten because I was hoping they would do something, maybe have some kind of something with that. And then when they did, I had forgotten. And then it caught me off guard. It was like, oh, wow, that really special to me.

[Jill]

So powerful. It started for me just a little bit before that because Sadie ends the show with a prayer. And, you know, Phil always ended the show with the prayer of Duck Dynasty. And so there was like this moment of, well, one realizing, okay, he's physically not here anymore.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Jill]

And so the tears started to come, but then the realization of the generations that he is passing down on two, and the tears started to come. And then they showed that scene, and I almost ugly cried. I mean, I literally. They threw some tissues across the table. I just. It just was. It was. It was very. It was beautiful, and it was honoring and it was. I don't know. I thought they did a great job.

[Al]

Well, the grandkids, I mean, I'm looking even like, we got to spend a lot of time with Reed and Brighton this week. And I'm like, I told him, I said, if you'd asked me which of all the grandkids has the least chance of turning out to be an incredible man? I mean, I was skeptical on Reed. I was like, I don't know how this is going to turn out. Jill is on the set today, and she has given my sister a budget to what Jill, fix our help.

[Jill]

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[Al]

Landscape the backyard. Yes, it's that time of year. Al, how's your landscaping at your new house looking?

[Jase]

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[Al]

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[Jase]

Very proud.

[Phil]

And they are so on fire for the Lord. This was a really good catalyst. I mean, they were already on fire for the Lord, but it's just like, it's really on fire now.

[Jase]

Yeah, well, and it's a leadership thing, too. You know, Reed is the oldest grandson. Mom and dad and Phyllis's son is a couple of months older. But so he's sort of like me and our role that, that I was in our family and. But, you know, it takes a while before you read to step into that role as a leader. And you just, you, you don't know when it happens, but it just does. And so that's happened in the last few years with Reed. And it just came to life during these, you know, last, like, couple of weeks and the trying Stuff, and it's just amazing because they were down here and we just had some really rich. And then he. He immediately came down there to be with and got in the bed with mom, you know, and we talked about this when he was on thing. It just. Just such a touching thing. You know, one of the things about the show I was going to mention too. I don't know if you guys picked up on this, but earlier in the show, they had mom pray, which I thought was really neat because as far as I know, she never prayed on the original show. But I felt like. And then when that Sadie prayer at the end, I felt like that was another one of those things. And I felt that way about dad, but I also felt that way about mom and Dad. I thought, you know, look at. Look at their. Their patronage and their legacy. And there was an episode that aired a couple before the actual show. And Jason, if you remember this one, it was. It was sign. Dad babysitting the girls. It was Jeff's girls. And Mia was in there and Bella and, you know, they just. They were little bitty, you know, girls. I don't. They probably weren't like in their little elementary for seven, five years old and just, just watching the interact. I laughed out loud and dad sprays them with a water hose and they're squealing and I just, you know, then, not only watching the show, but just watching everybody these last few weeks in the process of their love and down their knees next to dad holding his hand or next to mom now, you know, providing comfort. And it's just. I don't know, it's just a beautiful, special thing to watch and to see your kids thrive and. And, you know, basically take stock in their own life. It's. It's. It's incredible. And then the, you know, as I mentioned before, the worship kids, Zach and Jill, you know, just the talent they have and their willingness to use it for God, it's just a very encouraging thing.

[Phil]

Yeah. What's funny is our week, you know, I was kind of saying, when y' all gonna leave? But the number one thing we've done this week is study the Bible. They've asked me more questions. We. We've had just hours and hours of Bible study just on an excitement level, just. And a lot of singing and because, you know, when Reed's there and Mia's there and Missy's there, they're just continually. They. They just break out in the song over something the pianist playing. Next thing you know, it's just this beautiful harmony you know, and everybody else is just sitting there like, okay, let's go. I'm not sure where we're going, but let's go. It's just very encouraging. So. But you, Al, you said that story about the kids also, it brought back a lot of memories. That one scene, that's one of my favorite scenes in Duck Dynasties, when Phil built the playhouse for him or whatever. But he grabs that chainsaw. Because when I'm on the window. But as a child, that's the way he used to do. Remember how he would go, cut down the tree, But a couple times it was too big. And next thing you know, the chainsaw is coming in the house, and Kay's like, oh, don't saw down my. You know, whatever. And I mean, it just was so scary. Scary because you're like, the man has a chainsaw in the house.

[Al]

Right?

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Jase]

Well, our dad was good at a lot of things, but he was not a builder or anything mechanical. He could do none of that well. And so it was usually when he came home, he went. We went all the way to New Orleans and picked up all the equipment for Duck Commander off a boat, Off a ship. And it was just this big trailer load. This stuff weighed thousands and thousands of pounds. We get back to the place we were going to put it as a hundred.

[Phil]

Huh.

[Jase]

Like, for the first time, it hit him. None of that's going through the door.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Jase]

He had not even thought that through. And so he. Guess what he did. He takes the chainsaw and he cuts out the side of the building.

[Phil]

Well, after he had it winched the side of the building winch to a little Jeep, and he's sawing with someone winching simultaneously. I mean, it was a Duck dynasty effort. So 30 years.

[Al]

Cuts a hole in the house.

[Phil]

Oh, yes. He cuts in the shop the whole. But it's a house.

[Jill]

I mean, yes, it was a house.

[Phil]

That he turned into a shop. And he just ripped the whole side of it off. And he. And, like, when it all just crashed into nothing, you would think, well, that didn't work because he destroyed it. He's like, now we can get it in there.

[Jase]

So he had to come along in the winch, and he put all the equipment in there. And look, he nails all those boards back up, but then there's a gap the length of the chainsaw all the way around that stayed there for the entire time that we had the shop. So stuff's coming in and bugs and snakes and everything else.

[Phil]

You know what's the most funny part of that whole story is then one of the piece of boards that used to be the inside of the wall. He got it and it wasn't even a square. It was just a. A piece of scrap. Now, that's trash. And he painted on it. He was, he was. He wouldn't let anybody see. And he painted something. And then he took a hammer and he tacked it up. And it wasn't even straight. It was crooked.

[Jase]

You remember sideways? Yeah.

[Phil]

Duck Commander Worldwide right above the door. That's how it started. And he had like 14 customers and was weighing debt and had just destroyed the building that was used to house it all. That's how it started.

[Al]

That's.

[Jase]

Well. And, you know, we've. We tell the story about Gordon, you know, behavior with his middle school humor, but in some ways, dad always had like this. I guess you'd call it this need for approval for what he was doing. And so that's why he did that. And then he told the story. I think it's in one of the books of when he came in and told Granny and Paul and me and Jace were playing dominoes with Granny Paul. And he came in and said, you know, I'm. I'm fixing this stuff called business. Going to take off, you know, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna make a million dollars, you know, and. Or make a million doll calls. I can't remember exactly.

[Phil]

No, he said, I'm gonna make a million dollars.

[Jase]

A million dollars. And everybody looked at him and nobody said a word. And Paul just played and said 10, like on the board. And, And. And dad just walks away, you know, just with his shoulders.

[Al]

No affirmation whatsoever.

[Phil]

It was like we acknowledged the statement. And then it was like, my grandpa's like, let's get back to the game. Well, give me 10 while he's gonna make a million dollars. Which it was not even $10. It was just 10 points.

[Jase]

10? Yeah, 10 on the board. But it just, you know, he, He. He knew he had a vision for what was going to happen. That's why we included so much of that in the funeral general in our. What our comments, as well as the stuff we showed was because it meant so much to him, the. What happened with an idea. And he. It just. It mattered, you know, and so he always. He was always just. Someone said he was like. Had a PhD in marketing, which of course is funny that he. That they say that. But he did have a way just whether it was to turn a phrase or tell something and just. It drew people in and So I think that that was a big. Obviously, you know, Kingdom wound up being great. But, like, even just from a business perspective, he just had a way.

[Phil]

Well, that's why it was funny. When I got back home from the funeral, Missy's like, I had never heard that story about the first sermon he had preached. I mean, I've been married to this woman for 35 years. And I was like, jason, I don't.

[Jase]

Think I'd ever heard that sermon.

[Phil]

I don't think I've ever shared that. And I said, but the only reason I remember it is because a week later I came to the Lord.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And because I was nervous for him because he was studying somebody. I could tell he was nervous. It's really the first time I've ever seen him nervous. But. And so if you have it, if this is the first time, you're listening. Basically, I was so shocked because when he got up, I'd seen him study all week and he just said, I got some bad news and I got some good news. That was his first line. But that was the same thing he said to every person that he ever studied with. They'd walk in or they would just bumble off the street, or he'd see them fishing or their motors broke down and he'd bring them in and, you know, all from a meal. And he would be like, what's your story? And so he would. He had a way of getting deep down into the souls of people, sharing their innermost secrets, usually from the sinful persuasion.

[Al]

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[Phil]

I do so. I've owned shares of Oracle for years.

[Al]

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[Jase]

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[Al]

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[Phil]

And then he would say, well, I got some bad news and I got some good news. So when he started that sermon, I thought, well, what was he preparing for? Because the whole sermon was the gospel presentation that he had given hundreds of times to people on the couch over the meal. Yeah.

[Al]

So it wasn't the actual, because you'd heard the word, it was the testimony of the consistency. You're like, wait a second.

[Phil]

That's what made me think for the first time. Because you know what? It did. I didn't say this in my speech or the first time on the, you know, the podcast when we shared about it. What he did for me was he connected what was going on at a church building to actual life. Because I, I, I didn't like church. You know, he had started going to church, but I wasn't listening. They had some old preacher, you know, that had the, what do you call it, the preacher tone. It's like when he started talking, the holy tone, I thought it's impossible.

[Al]

He, he wouldn't say, he would say baptized.

[Phil]

Well, it just, there was the lingo, you know, it was kind of an old, kind of, of crusty church and people around there and my dad didn't seem, you know, I mean, we sang, I'm sure the singing, I mean, it was 30, 40 people out there in the middle of nowhere. But my dad was living for the Lord outside the church building. And I just always thought, what, what, what, what are we doing here? Because it just wasn't that exciting. I mean, they didn't have a kids class. You know, you're just kind of in there and I. I was bewildered by it. It didn't seem real or authentic in any way. Well, what I was seeing, that did seem authentic. I thought, these people are crying on the couch and he keeps baptizing people in the river. And it was just hard for me, you know, as a 14 year old, to make that connection. So that's when I thought for the first time, I need to study, study my Bible, you know, because he's talking the same story. I was like, I just want to read this for myself. But it was after that sermon that I thought, oh, there's a connection. That's the same God. But it didn't, because it, it seems quite.

[Al]

That's quite the realization, though, you. And you came out of it just for context. I mean, and one of the reasons why I know this context so well is because I did all the interviews for the movie the Blind. And so I got to sit with. Really all y' all.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Al]

And it was kind of like a therapeutic in a way. It was painful. I think you mentioned this at some point recently. I heard you say, everything starts to blend together. I don't know if we said it on the podcast in private conversation or, or at the funeral, but I know you said something about how difficult that was to tell that story and even like, just to go back in that. But like, when I sat down with you, particularly, I was like, I left your house and I thought, whew, I didn't realize what you had personally been through.

[Phil]

Yeah. And I think Al and I have documented this many times. You respond differently. He was older. I hid myself in self righteousness. That was really my coping, which I know a lot of people don't struggle with that at an early age, but that was kind of my. I mean, I'm sure it came from the evil one, but that was just. I just thought, I'm going to be better than you. I'm bet. You know, I don't like these people.

[Al]

But at first it was skepticism.

[Phil]

You were like, well, skepticism. What I learned is you can. I don't even think that was premeditated. It just goes with being self righteous. You just tend to be a skeptic. And so I was skeptical of the Bible because I thought deep down this man can never change. He was too bad, even though. Because it was bumpy, you know, it just wasn't an immediate. Me still had moments where he. I thought, well, back to living like the devil. He get mad and frustrated on the river, you know, eat the wooden fish, you know, just mad. And I thought well, what happened to all this Jesus stuff? You know, it just. You, you. You tend to look at life through, through those eyes when you're into that. And so, yeah, I didn't want to revisit that, but because a lot of trauma moments, you know, as a kid, I mean, I didn't go to a counselor or anything, but I have the Holy Spirit and it's just. I didn't want. I wasn't ready to relive those things. So I told you that story about when I visited him. Of course they had it in the movie like it was. I think me and Al, we changed it. Yeah, it was just me.

[Al]

Yeah. And was.

[Phil]

It was Tommy and it was Tommy. But man, I thought I wanted to see him. And when I saw him, I thought, no, this guy's completely lost his mind.

[Al]

You described that scene. That's why I knew we had to get it in there because I was like, that was, was.

[Phil]

Well, it's hard to, you know, it wasn't like you were not telling the truth. It's just. It was based on a true story. It's hard to capture what I saw.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil]

Man was barefoot, had a pile of dead carcasses there, living without electricity, just drinking whiskey, you know, and there was just a big pile of whiskey bottles and a bunch of dead carcasses. And he was just a wild, crazy eyed human that had been away from society for months. Months. And boy, I thought, I don't want anything to do with this guy for the rest of my life. Well, you make that decision. That's a powerful decision.

[Jill]

How old were you?

[Phil]

Seven or eight, I guess.

[Jase]

It was in 75. So you were six actually.

[Phil]

Yeah, six years old.

[Jill]

That's, that's.

[Phil]

You'll never forget it though, because it's just like he came out and I thought, you know, it just looked like he had some kind of demon.

[Al]

I mean, and how. And, and it. Well, he did. And how. How old were you when you came to Christ?

[Phil]

I was 14. 14, that's what I'm saying. When he came to Christ. So seven years after. I mean, I'm six or seven, whatever the. I'm not sure what the exact years are, but about that long was his first sermon.

[Jase]

Yeah, that's about that long.

[Phil]

I think it took him about that long. Yeah. To get us.

[Jill]

I love that though, because so many times we think someone comes to the Lord and they're going to have everything figured out. They should know all the rules and they should.

[Phil]

It wasn't like that.

[Jill]

And it's like, oh, like grace, like well, to grow.

[Phil]

These verses that never made sense to me early in my Christian life. Now do like that 1 in Galatians 4 where it says until Christ is formed in you. Like, well, there's a process here.

[Al]

Oh yeah.

[Phil]

Or that wouldn't be in there. Or like Ephesians 4 when it says the church till we all grow up in Christ, there's a process that we're all in. That's why I finally realized I'm not going to put my faith in religious groups of people people because they're all in that process. So you're gonna see that. That's why I was like some of these people, they missed it, you know, even though we're in a building.

[Jase]

What's funny, Jace, it's always about perspective because. So when you came to Christ is when I turned away from Christ when I was 14 years old and began just this dark wandering and. And it would be 18 years old when I would come back, back, you know, come back home and literally come back to Christ. And what was interesting is Lisa and I got married not too long after that. And so you guys were already at this little church. Now I'm brand new Christian and had been in the world and had been living like dad had lived and worse to me, you know, from my perspective. And so when I came into this group of people, the crusty people you're talking about, it was. Even though it was like, I mean, all the years I would serve, I would never do things the way that we're doing done. But I loved it. I loved the people because for the first time it was like I had. I was free. And so. Which shows you about the power of the gospel. Because Dad, I mean I knew the gospel. I knew it backwards and forwards, but my heart wasn't ready to cross over and embrace what the gospel meant. Until finally I was broken to a place where then I was ready. And so I was leading singing out this little place. And of course it was funny because you don't really lead singing on a situation like that. It was two sisters that would take over, over. And you just hope that the right one got it because if the one that couldn't sing took it, we were going right off the cliff. It was, but. But it was my experience. It was really hard. We all went back to White SP Road. It was just the best thing we ever did. But it was hard for Lisa and I because we had found community in that little place. And even though it wasn't very dynamic, it was Just all about being in a place where finally we had newness. And so. So you and I both talked about that in the last podcast. We talked about dad, but our perspectives on how we came to Christ are so different. And yet it was still wrapped up in the same man with the same message.

[Al]

Jase, I don't know if Jill knows why I officially switched to Pure Talk. I thought I was dropping calls.

[Phil]

Yeah, I was actually hanging up lovingly on your husband, but he thought he was just dropping calls.

[Jill]

What?

[Al]

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[Phil]

And.

[Al]

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[Phil]

Well, it's funny because when they decided to leave, I was like, what took you so long? Long? Let's go somewhere with some fire, you know? And then really it was a catalyst to me growing because when they. They Moved to wfr. And all of a sudden, here's. Here's other teenagers who are on fire for the Lord. And I'm like, now. That's when I felt like, okay, because to me, I just was struggling with that. I thought this. Y' all. Y' all are not living in attitude. The thrilling nature of Jesus. I was thrilled by it, and so was faith. Phil and Phil was trying to get them fired up, but I was like, oh, these people are too far gone, you know, because you're immature as. And you're wanting everybody to be thrilled by it. But that's why I'm thankful that I got to see God in not a church building setting. You know, I mean, Phil's story happened in the world and through him trying to be a better dad to me. You know, he was taking me hunting, and now I'm kind of tying the creation with, you know, what the Bible's saying also. And I'm like, this. This is the God that we're following. Oh, he sent Jesus. But I was having these create. My moments really were in creation where I was thinking about God, which led me to studying the Bible.

[Al]

I love that. I think it's encouraging, too. If you're listening and you're like, man, I don't. I don't know the Bible enough. I don't. How do I share my faith? Because we get that question a lot. How do we. Man, I want to share my faith like you guys, but, like, if you hear what, like, your testimony is. It wasn't even what Phil had said. You had. You had heard the gospel, the simple gospel.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah.

[Al]

It was when it was connect. I think what.

[Phil]

It didn't connect to me with a church building. You know, it just was there.

[Al]

Which is funny that it was in the church building there that you heard exactly saying everything in here that he said out there. And it was like Phil was, for you, was erasing what's called the secular sacred divide. And he was like. And Phil's like, that's all sacred. It's all his. This is my father's womb.

[Phil]

You know what? It helped me really understand fundamentally that I think a lot of religious people can't get.

[Al]

What's that.

[Phil]

Is that God uses people, you know, and he lives in people through his Holy Spirit, despite their baggage and struggles of, you know, keeping the old man away. It really helped me understand that. And I think it's the same problem with Jesus. I know we were supposed to be in John 8 today, but this has been a good preview of it. Is that they were struggling that God could be a human. And I think we still see the same struggle today because we're like, oh, we're so bad. God could never use us. But, oh, he does. He makes us into new creations. We have the Holy Spirit and he uses us. But you have to realize that there's a messiness that comes along with it because we are people and we are humans, and we get it wrong. As far as, like, from a theological standpoint, I mean, why do you have to talk in a holy tone to tell me how good Jesus is? It just seems so embarrassing to me. I can't listen to anything that God says. It's not authentic, is what I thought. Because he'd walk out of the building and then he would talk. Right?

[Al]

Yeah. You're like, what's real? Which I think is like. The passage that popped up in my mind was Revelation 12. It says, and they conquered him. This is how they conquered him, by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And I thought, man, what is the testimony? And the testimony is that, yeah, I'm not equipped. Yeah, I'm still.

[Phil]

Well.

[Jase]

Right.

[Phil]

It's like Acts one says the same thing. And I think I mentioned this before because I heard a sermon by your buddy Tyson on this, and he did something really funny because, you know, here's Jesus. He's fixing to leave. He provided, you know, all the proof gave. Gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. But then he's like, but what did he say? He said, I don't want you to leave because I have this. The spirit I'm going to pour out. I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you power to do this. And then it says the same thing. And you will be my witnesses.

[Al]

It goes with testimony.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And. But he did something funny in it because he said. I think we read this, like, with a British tone. It's like, you know, don't leave. You know, and it's not time yet. And it's. And he's like, no, he was saying, I'm going to give you power to testify. You know, about me. Of course he did the imitation. You know better than that.

[Jill]

And you don't have to have all the right words because my spirit is going to dwell in you.

[Phil]

Exactly. You're fixing to take over the world. You're going to be me in the world, and there's going to be a bunch of you, and it's going to be contagious. And so it. It. It's more of A movement type thing than we're. And you know, here we are setting up these little buildings and you're like, where. This is not, I think, what. What he had in mind.

[Jill]

No, the kingdom is in our midst. It's where. And you can see it and feel you're among. When you're among the kingdom, you know you're among the kingdom because you can feel the spirit.

[Phil]

So that's why I always. When people have bad religious experiences, I'm just. Because they happen. Because it's filled with messy, sinful people and it's like, who are maybe immature or have a detached view of God working, you know, in people. It's like they're not seeing their lives. And I'm like, gotta be patient here. This is. This is the way he chose to do this. You're never gonna find some person, perfect, you know, group that you go in and say, oh, you know, they all have this baggage.

[Al]

But you walk in, like, you kind of know when you're like in certain settings and you just feel an authentic move of the spirit. Like, you just feel the Holy Spirit is in the room. He's present, he's active in the ministry with you. He's. That there's a. There is a power that comes from that type of authenticity and sincerity. And I think the reason why it's authentic and sincere here, which is our testimony, is not that we manufacture it, which was Paul's point. I didn't come to you with wise and persuasive words. It's a demonstration of what? The spirit's power.

[Phil]

Exactly.

[Al]

That's the thing.

[Phil]

And I think I kept going back to Phil's lifetime. I was like, something happened. As bumpy as it was, it was like. It was a drastic. This is so drastic. It has to be.

[Al]

I was looking for a text you sent me. I can't find out where it's at, but it was something I said and I forgot how you said it. I sent you a text when Phil passed and you had responded to something like, I don't. I'm. This is me paraphrasing. Oh, it's on. It was something like. Like, this has been a wake up call. This is. This is.

[Phil]

No, I said I think I was struggling because what. What I didn't like. I mean, look, if you said this to me, don't get offended.

[Al]

It.

[Phil]

But people came up and they were like, we're so sorry for your loss. You know, and. And I get it, they're trying to encourage me, but I thought, there's nothing Lost here, not zero.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jase]

You know, I want to read. I want to read you this. This. You just said this perfect. Because I've gotten hundreds of texts and emails and stuff posted that's been. This. Really been great for me. But this. This one described exactly how I was feeling. And you just said. Said it is from one of our favorite people, James being you both. Anna Tomlinson, just an amazing woman, but she always has a way. And she said, I'm praying for you and your family. We love you tremendously. Can only imagine the whirlwind of emotions you felt over the last months, the past week. So grateful for the obedience of Jan and Bill, and then Phil's, which changed the trajectory of your family, which then influenced the change trajectory of Yalls marriage, which then changed the trajectory of ours. And that's a long story.

[Phil]

Wow.

[Jase]

I've thought about the different emotions felt after a loved one passes. But for Phil, the only emotion I keep thinking of is the emotion you would feel after watching someone you love cross the finish line of a marathon race. Such pride and excitement and celebration and well done. You know, it wasn't always great. You know, he got tired, but he never wavered. His eyes always on the finish line. And then she put in all caps and he has crossed it. And, you know, I just captured the emotions I was. I've been feeling because I just haven't been sad. I felt like the race was run so well, you know, and it was just, you know, and I'm excited about it.

[Phil]

I remember the quote I told you because I said, what it has been is a celebration of Phil's life and how God used him. And a call to action.

[Jill]

That's what it.

[Al]

Call to action.

[Phil]

Yeah. And I think that's what it is. And look, you brought up Reese, and I'll circle back to put a button on that. That's what he's mostly said. He said, boy, people in Nashville have no idea. When I head back, his response to when are y' all gonna leave? Which everybody thought. Jays, how could you say that? Joey's response was, he said, the people have no idea what's in store for them when me and Brighton go back to Nashville.

[Al]

I love it.

[Phil]

And he said through the gospel of Jesus. I mean, he just. It ignited, you know, the same fire that's been there.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Phil]

But he thought, okay, man down. And people in the family need to stand up and carry the torch.

[Jase]

It's been a next generation thing.

[Phil]

When he said that, I said. When Reid said that, I said, now we're talking now. We're talking.

[Al]

That call extends to the Unashamed Nation. It's a call to action for the Unashamed Nation. You guys been with us from the beginning, I think.

[Jill]

So we're ready to roll boots on the ground.

[Phil]

It's taken us a while to get back into the groove, understandably. I think.

[Jase]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil]

But John 8 is. It's a humdinger.

[Jase]

And thank you, Unashamed Nation, for your patience and letting us, you know, have these conversations with you because it's. It's good for us, too. So we love you guys, and we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.