Ep 1108 | Jase Decodes Tom Cruise’s Mission, Zach Faces Drunken Cajun Fury & God Rewires Our Desires

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Episode 1108 Summary

Episode Title: Jase Sees God’s Mercy in Zach’s Worst Night—& How Desire Can Be Rewired
Release Date: June 12, 2025
Host: Tread Lively
Guests: Phil Robertson, Jase Robertson, Zach Dasher

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1. A Night of Turmoil: Zach's LSU Baseball Experience

The episode opens with a candid recounting of Zach Dasher's tumultuous night at an LSU baseball game. Zach describes how his enthusiasm led him to wear a bright orange Florida hat—a symbolic misstep that sparked tension among the fervent LSU fans.

Zach Dasher [00:34]: "I got on a brown shirt, a brown and black pants, and brown shoes, so I could see the point. I can see."

This simple act of showing team spirit inadvertently placed Zach at odds with a passionate crowd, culminating in a physical altercation. Zach narrates the confrontation vividly:

Zach Dasher [05:01]: "We end up at a party again... And I said, 'If you don't quit running your mouth, I'm going to bend you over my knee and I'm going to wear your butt out.'"

The situation escalated when Zach's ex-boyfriend, fueled by recent tensions, intervened, leading to Zach being overpowered by a group of LSU supporters. This incident serves as a powerful backdrop for the episode's exploration of sin, grace, and redemption.

2. Grappling with Sin and Grace: A Theological Dialogue

The Robertson Family delves deep into the theological implications of Zach's experience, drawing parallels between personal sin and broader spiritual truths. They reference various Bible passages to shed light on the nature of sin and the transformative power of God's grace.

Phil Robertson [07:17]: "Opacity is like one of the reasons why the language we're getting to today is so graphic and stark is because it really is about life and death."

The conversation highlights the struggle between living in sin and embracing the freedom offered through Christ. They discuss the misconception that grace permits continued sinful behavior, clarifying that true grace leads to transformation rather than license to sin.

Jase Robertson [27:00]: "We died to sin. He's telling them in John 8, I don't want you to die in your sins."

3. Cultural Reflections: Lessons from Movies

Transitioning from personal anecdotes to cultural commentary, the hosts critique the movie Mission Impossible, using it as a springboard to discuss themes of impossibility and redemption.

Jase Robertson [19:10]: "Mission Impossible. The Final Reckoning."

They explore how the movie's themes resonate with biblical narratives, particularly the resurrection of Jesus as the ultimate "Mission Impossible" scenario where death was overcome.

4. Analogies of Sin: The Blood-Dipped Blade

To illustrate the destructive nature of sin, Zach shares an analogy inspired by Pastor Josh Howerton. This vivid depiction portrays sin as an enticing yet deadly temptation:

Zach Dasher [37:24]: "They take the blade and they dip it in blood and they'd let it freeze like a popsicle. The wolf would smell the blood... until his tongue starts bleeding and he bleeds to death."

This metaphor underscores how sin can gradually numb our senses, leading to self-destruction without our awareness.

5. Biblical Insights: Romans and John Explored

The discussion returns to scripture, with a focus on Romans 6 and John 8. The hosts break down Paul's argument against using grace as an excuse to sin, emphasizing the importance of living a life surrendered to God.

Zach Dasher [26:05]: "I took the weapon for what she did."

They connect these passages to the concept of being "dead to sin" and "alive to God," reinforcing the transformative journey from bondage to freedom in Christ.

6. Transformation and Freedom: Living Beyond Sin

The Robertson Family emphasizes that true freedom in Christ isn't about adhering to self-imposed restrictions but about a profound transformation of desires and longings. They reference Dallas Willard's philosophy on freedom in Christ, highlighting the internal reorientation that accompanies genuine faith.

Zach Dasher [48:50]: "Freedom is the opposite."

This segment underscores that freedom in Christ is not merely the absence of sin but the presence of a renewed heart and mind aligned with God's will.

7. Final Reckoning: Connecting Themes

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts weave together the night's discussions, bringing in elements from Tombstone and Outlaw Josey Wales to illustrate the inevitability of reckoning—both in cinema and in spiritual life.

Phil Robertson [45:15]: "The pivotal point wasn't the OK Corral... it was a reckoning."

They conclude by reaffirming the centrality of Jesus' resurrection as the ultimate act of love and redemption, inviting listeners to embrace this transformative power in their own lives.

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Notable Quotes

• Jase Robertson [00:01]: "I am unashamed. What about you?"

• Phil Robertson [00:06]: "We were talking in between the podcast... LSU made it to the super regional."

• Zach Dasher [07:07]: "It's called Death Valley for a reason."

• Phil Robertson [10:47]: "You're full of something."

• Zach Dasher [37:24]: "He bleeds to death."

• Jase Robertson [43:01]: "It is defined by one death."

• Phil Robertson [50:55]: "And then the third question... you cannot say that."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, listeners are treated to a raw and honest exploration of sin, grace, and redemption. Through personal anecdotes, theological discussions, and cultural critiques, the hosts illuminate the path from darkness to light, emphasizing that true freedom and transformation come through embracing Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection. Whether navigating personal struggles or confronting societal norms, the episode serves as a compelling call to live authentically and unapologetically for one's faith.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We were talking in between the podcast here to reposition about Jason. I've been staying up late at night and watching baseball. Last time we got to text with each other back and forth during the game. I was so stressed out. It's. Of course this will be out after everything's happened. We record this. But LSU made it to the super regional. But Jay's. I was so stressed, I couldn't already. It was hard for me to watch it because I knew I had to go to bed and try to sleep.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, what's crazy is I've had my son and all his kids in my house for like eight or nine days. And usually I don't care how loud I am if I wake the kids up. But after about eight days, you know, I celebrate quietly with my son, which was difficult because the last thing I.

[Zach Dasher]

Wanted to do, holler.

[Jase Robertson]

I didn't want to wait.

[Zach Dasher]

But he was watching the kids and his wife went back to Nashville without the kids.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, that's a. I mean, you think about that right there. That's a. That's a big move.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's where old Lulu comes into play. That's why I think today I think she's going to get a massage. And she said, just don't ask me anything for two days.

[Zach Dasher]

Lulu being Missy.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's her grand grandma name, or as one of the kids call her, UDU because they haven't perfected the English language. It drives her crazy. And we all think it's the funniest thing. It's like, oo doo. It sounds like some kind of Star wars character, you know, But Al, you're right. And I know, you know, people don't want to talk about LSU baseball, but it's a fabric. It goes back to when I was a child. And it's just what we did. It's one of the most exciting things every year. It's been a tradition since I was a little kid, because LSU's always been good at baseball. And. And you can never underestimate the power of bunch drunk Cajuns watching the game because the crowd was. Because they start these games so late. Well, they're doing it on purpose. They're like, if the Cajun's drunk, get all lubed up and come out and cheer for the Tigers.

[Phil Robertson]

Everything about rouge is, you know, the inebriation is a part of that process.

[Zach Dasher]

You know what, When. When I was in college, Jeff and I, your brother and your Brother was my college roommate. We kind of told a little bit of that story on the podcast before. We were not. How do I say it? We weren't necessarily living for Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

Just go ahead. Go ahead and confess your sins.

[Zach Dasher]

We were in sin. We were living.

[Phil Robertson]

You were heathens.

[Zach Dasher]

We were heathen. We were rank heathens, as Phil would say. We rank heathens.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And we went down to an LSU football game. And I grew up in Gainesville, so, you know, I'm a Florida fan. We've had that.

[Jase Robertson]

Did you wear a Florida.

[Zach Dasher]

I made the mistake of wearing a bright orange Florida hat.

[Jase Robertson]

You're trying to make statements with your attire in general. And I wasn't. I wasn't going to say anything about today, but what's wrong with what I got on? Well, here's what happened. The last time you visited me, you came on with a neon orange vest that you wore for three days. And I was like, zach, nobody's gonna shoot you.

[Zach Dasher]

No, it was a hat. So it was a neon hat.

[Jase Robertson]

You went the other way now, because now you. You dressed up. You dressed up like a deer. You. You literally look like a deer. Look, there's a.

[Zach Dasher]

There's a. I'm wearing a duck commander.

[Jase Robertson]

Hat, but it has a deer on it, and you have the color of a deer. And I'm like, don't wear an orange vest with a hat and all that, but don't dress up like a deer. They will shoot you around here if you cross the road. I mean, if you go to the store over here and cross the road without a vehicle, you're in danger, not watching.

[Zach Dasher]

I got on a brown shirt, a brown and black pants, and brown shoes, so I could see the point. I can see.

[Jase Robertson]

Let me give you a tip, though. If you want to take a walk, if you hear the mud grips, slow down. That's when you need to take that hat off and take your shirt off and say, I'm here. Yeah, because deer in our ditches. And I learned this from Phil. He said, I noticed something at these deer. He said, they're listening before they're looking because you can drive right by. And you're like, oh, look at the deer in the ditch. But if that car slows down, they're gone. They're gone because they know the next thing they're going to hear is, boom, you get him, Pete?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I wore my orange hat to a LSU football game. And to your point, it was at night, which was a bad. And they weren't even playing Florida. And we get in there which then.

[Phil Robertson]

Begs the question, why would you wear that hat?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, if you wear an orange hat at an LSU game and things go wrong, guess what? They're taking out all their anger on the guy, the orange hat.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, it's. It was the most. I'm going to tell you guys, it was the most. Most ruthless experience of my life. We end up at a party again. I tell you, we weren't living right.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, boy.

[Zach Dasher]

And. And we're at this party and there's a. Dancing with this girl. And I'm there with your brother Jeff. And I'm dancing with this girl and there's this guy in the corner behind her, just like giving me this eye, like, I'm going to rip your head off.

[Jase Robertson]

And I think you would have.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, he's looking at me like, I want to kill you. And I thought it was a hat. And I'm like, this guy back there, you know, he was staring me down. And she turned around, looked over her shoulder. Oh, that's my ex boyfriend. We just broke up about two hours ago.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Oh.

[Zach Dasher]

But he was a little guy and I was kind of a loud mouth. I mean, you know me. I mean, so I'm like. He starts. He kind of approaches me.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And I said, and I said, son, I said, if you, if you don't quit running your mouth, I'm going to bend you over my knee and I'm going to wear your butt out. So I'm like, I'm like making fun of him, but I'm like, I'm thinking, I got this guy. And so we're kind of mouthing back and forth with a girl. His ex girlfriend of two hours before came up behind him as he's yelling at me and pours a beer on his head. And he, I mean, lost it. And he runs toward me and to like bulldog me to the ground. I actually pick him up because I was about twice his size and I just power drive him into the ground. I did not know, though, that he was somehow connected with the swim team, the LSU swim team. And so they were there, all his buddies. And the next thing I knew, I was out on the porch and they just jumped and just beat the mess out of me. And I wound up on the back porch. Some guy from Monroe that we had known somehow got me outside. I'm like, what just happened? He said, you just got the mess kicked out of you. And I said, well, where was Jeb? He said, oh, he was out the door.

[Jase Robertson]

Yes.

[Zach Dasher]

So we took a. I took a beat. I Took a beating at by a bunch of drunk Cajuns at an LSU football game. And our buddy Kevin got gutted at a LSU football game. So. It's a dangerous place.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Well, this is what happens when you run with the devil.

[Zach Dasher]

It's called Death Valley for a reason.

[Phil Robertson]

Sounds like it has a whole new meaning now.

[Jase Robertson]

Fortunately for you, because this. That sounded like the opening of a Dateline episode up in a casket.

[Zach Dasher]

I repented, though. And about six months later, I repented and said I'm going to run with, as Phil would say, the godly Now.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Well, it's unfortunate, but it usually comes to some kind of death like experience to get your attention. Yeah, I've been saying that, you know, even in Phil's death, it. It makes everyone reflect on your own mortality.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

But you got to remember it'll get your attention. But the resurrection of Jesus is what changes your life.

[Zach Dasher]

That's true.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So it's good to think in those.

[Phil Robertson]

Ways, but it's actually, it squarely leads us to our. Back to our text in John A.J. because you know, they're trying to kill Jesus here. Which nt Right. Makes the points. Opacity is like one of the reasons why the language we're getting to today is so graphic and stark is because it really is about life and death. And I mean, that's why he came, but I mean, that's what he's facing in the moment. This is not just some people that like. Like Zach's situation was, you know, once they whipped Zach, they felt a little bit better about themselves. Although it was the girl who pulled the beer on his head. Right? Yeah. But you, you took the weapon.

[Zach Dasher]

I took the weapon for what she did.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's why he. He makes these graphic statements when he says, you know, I know you're Abraham descendants in 8:37, yet you're ready to kill me. And then this little phrase is so thought provoking because he says. Because you have no room for my word.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, what a statement. It's like it's crowded with way down deep in your soul, with everything but what I'm telling you.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, he says the same thing, James in 43. He says, why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say because you belong to the devil. So it's that idea that the heart is not where it needs to be to even listen. He's saying the right things, but they're not hearing.

[Jase Robertson]

I have thousands of memories, thousands of. When I'm sitting there Sharing Jesus with someone. And then you see it dawn on them that if this is true and if they acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, the changes that must occur is so great that they, you know, you see people are going back and forth with that in their deep down heart. They're like. And some people, unfortunately, they have that same conclusion. There's no way this is going to fit into my current life.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, it's just kind of the picture of the wineskins that Jesus had. And you see that I just ran a little search on this. Colossians 3:16. Because they didn't have room for the Word of God. Colossians 3:16. Let the word of Christ dwell in you, dwell in you, richly teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom. John 15:17. If you abide in me and my word words abide in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be done. James 1:21. We see with meekness the implanted word which is able to save your souls. And then Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any double edged sword. And so you think about that. God doesn't want you just to hear his Word. It's not just a cognitive. Okay, here's the information.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the Word became.

[Zach Dasher]

The Word became flesh. It's a person. Yeah. It's much more intimate. Right. It's like a. Because I think we want to say is, give me the right info.

[Jase Robertson]

Why exactly?

[Zach Dasher]

Give me the right info, then I'll be good. You're like, well, no, it's not. It's beyond that. That's a, that's a very humanistic way of, of approaching God's word. Jason, I want to tell you, I forgive you, my brother.

[Jase Robertson]

Go for it.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

Well, the good thing is he, he simplified it into. You're getting your information that you're basing on your whole life on two sources. One is an evil one and one is a holy one. The father. Which father are you going with? I mean that's basically what he does. He turns it into two camps.

[Zach Dasher]

If you ask the question that, if I ask you the question, if they don't have room, how much room do you need to hold the word of God?

[Jase Robertson]

I think you got a clean house, you gotta clean it. You gotta clean it. You gotta, you gotta clean house and start over. Renovate. Renovate the whole house.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, it's gotta like because it's. Think about the wineskin argument is like you think about what kind of wineskin could hold the new wine. Well, whatever that wineskin is, the one quality it better have is it better be able to expand forever.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's why the you say the.

[Phil Robertson]

That doesn't that like you tell that story about yourself and I have stories like that too and you remember them so well. But now in a new house, doesn't it feel like when you tell a story like that is somebody else? It's really not even you. I mean you can't hardly imagine yourself being putting yourself in the positions that you used to put yourself in.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's why if you do a word study on Phil or full in the. Because you're full of something.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And to make a, you know, back to the drunk Cajun scenario. I mean, there's a lot in the New Testament about that being filled with the spirit. Just think, do not get drunk on wine, but be filled with the spirit. You're going to pour something into yourself. And I think that's the point he's making. But ultimately Jesus and God, the Father of all, wants to fill everything and everyone in every way.

[Zach Dasher]

And it's ever expanding. It's like the passage in Ephesians when he talks about the temple, he talks about because that's the house, that's the container that we all have is our bodies. But the language is expanding, it's growing. And so God comes in. Because when the word gets implanted in you, it just comes in you. A spring. The Holy Spirit lives in you. It's a spring welling up to eternal life. So I think the Devil, what the devil, he operates in like a net sum or zero sum game where it's like, here's the thing, we're all fighting over the same pie. That's the devil's mentality. The Lord's mentality is no, there's no. The pie is ever growing. It's abundance. We're all participating in whatever this life is. And I think that's what he's kind of getting at here is they had a container that they wanted to put God in John 8. And their container was actually something that God gave them, which was good. The patriarchs, Abraham, the law. But they're like, oh, we're going to put God in the temple system. We're going to put him in that. Which is funny because if they actually had read their own Bible, they would have read Solomon, what he said in 1st Kings 8. Surely you're not going to live in a temple bathed by my hands. They would have got to that same place.

[Jase Robertson]

But it's all based on a lie. When you're following the evil One, that's where the problem. That's why he said, you'll know the truth and the truth sets you free. Everyone under the control of the evil one does not acknowledge that. That's why he's bringing it up.

[Zach Dasher]

You just think, why do you think they don't? Why is that?

[Jase Robertson]

Because it's all based on a delusion and a lie. It's all masquerading as something else. Whether it's, you know, it's like people who have this. I'LL tell you a lie. It's like, deep down, most Americans think, well, if one day I can make this big payday, then I'll be set. You know, if I win the lottery, if I make some deal, you know, it's like, well, then I'm going to be set. Are you really going to be set? It's actually a lie, because it's not. Some of the most depressed people that I know of have a lot of money. I mean, they're just miserable human beings. And you're like. And you start to talk to them about it, and they can't figure out what seems to be the problem, you know, especially in, like, the professional sporting world, because, you know, when you become famous, you meet other famous people. And I would say that's probably been the most disappointing experience of my fame life is meeting other famous people because they're just depressed. And it's like the only relationship I have with some of them where they were reaching out to me, as in saying, well, how come you seem to be fine with everything? Well, you know, now we're getting into Jesus. So it's like, well, because you.

[Zach Dasher]

Because the delusion is, you think, if I obtain royalty, at least in the fame world, or, yeah, I'm gonna. I'll be fine. But think about the King of Rock and Roll. You know who that was?

[Jase Robertson]

The King of Rock and Roll. Yeah. Elvis.

[Zach Dasher]

How'd he die?

[Jase Robertson]

Depressingly, yeah, The King of Pop.

[Zach Dasher]

You know who that was?

[Phil Robertson]

Michael Jackson.

[Zach Dasher]

How'd he die? Depressingly, not. Well, The King of grunge, Kurt Cobain. The King of country. Hank Williams. You know, the queen of. The Queen of R and B. Whitney Houston. The Queen of Rock, Janis Joplin. You go to the Prince, the Prince of Funk. I mean, like, you think when you get to. You get to the top of the game, and that's the delusion. You get to the top of the game, you've accomplished all there is to accomplish. You have all the accolades, all the wealth, all the things. And you get to the top of that mountain and you're like, whoa, the high place didn't deliver.

[Jase Robertson]

Didn't deliver.

[Zach Dasher]

It didn't deliver.

[Phil Robertson]

I think that's what's good.

[Jase Robertson]

And you see it just in our culture. So I went down a rabbit hole today. This would be memoir.

[Phil Robertson]

And I said to bk, this was your tease, Joe.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, because we've done so many podcasts in a short period of days, I thought, well, I'm gonna have a couple days off. Missy's exhausted because of the kids. And I was like, maybe we'll go see a movie. So I said. I was like, well, let's see what's out. So I actually did the. I mean, you know, I see outside of Christian movies, I see random movies maybe once a year. And so wouldn't you know it?

[Phil Robertson]

Mission Impossible.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I did not know this was out. This shows you how much I'm up on cultural events. I was like, yeah, I was that guy this morning. I was like, they made another Mission Impossible. Because then I had to Google, I didn't know Tom Cruise was still alive and well, he's still running. So sorry, I had to Google that information. But he's still alive and he's doing his own stunts and. Well, I've had a bit about that particular movie for years. Al, you've heard me do the bit.

[Phil Robertson]

I've heard it.

[Jase Robertson]

Have you not? Because I always just. I'm one of the few people in life that when you put a title up before the movie comes, I think about the title. It's like the thesis, and it's like Mission Impossible. Then the whole movie is them doing it. And so you know what I think in my spiritual mind, well, that was a lie. If it's impossible, how would you do it? Why wouldn't you say Mission?

[Zach Dasher]

It's a bait and switch.

[Jase Robertson]

Possible.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

What's a bait and switch? A lot like the one. So check this title out. Y' all probably know.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Mission Impossible. The Final Reckoning.

[Phil Robertson]

Does it mean it was finally possible?

[Jase Robertson]

The final reckoning, which is a biblical word. So I went down a rabbit hole and look, the first place that got my attention. When we translate from Greek to English the word reckon, would you believe the first verse I looked up? Because I thought, how is that word in Romans 6? I know Romans 6 like the back of my hand. I don't remember seeing reckon in there. Well, I'm going to read it now. My translation has consider, but it's the word for reckoning. And I'm going to read it. And look, it just happens to be right where we're at in John 8. That's why I took this as a sign. In the same way. This is Romans 6:11. Now you remember the context of Romans 6.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

Just. Just. If you just go back before I read Romans 6:11, he comes up with this argument saying, shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? Now go back to where we're at in John 8. He's like, Hey, I don't want you to die in Your sins. He says that how many times in John 8, Al, 3 or 4.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh yeah, I don't want you to.

[Jase Robertson]

Die in your sins. And so Paul has an argument that says, shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? Just think of that question. God has given us grace through Jesus death on a cross and his love and mercy. He wants humans to live with him forever. So he gives his son. And it's called God's grace. It's a gift. Jesus was a gift. He gave his life for us. Well, of all the things he could say, he says, by no means don't go out there and sin so that grace may increase. Like, oh, since God loves me so much, I'm going to live a life of sin.

[Zach Dasher]

Which is kind of funny because when he asked that question, it's a rhetorical question, but it like is the natural. If you just took that. If you read Romans 5 to somebody, if you just read it, they would ask that question. They would say, is I just sin all at once so I get more grace.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think it's. I think they're acknowledging how humans think.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

It's like, oh, well, because if God forgave me, then I can just go out there. If it's so wonderful, I'll just. I'll go out there. But it doesn't work in that. In that realm because of what John 8 is saying. You're no longer a slave to sin, you're a son. And then you get into this. Christ is living in you. Well, he had no sin. He's living in you.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So it's like a status, which I think helps explain a lot of these verses. But what I wanted to get to is in the. Of all the things he could say on why you shouldn't go out there and do it. He uses a phrase that's so similar to John 8, but there's one little different word. It says, we died to sin. He's telling them in John 8, I don't want you to die in your sins. And here, Paul, fast forward post death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and living a life or allowing God to live in you. He says, we died to sin. Well, what does that mean?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, we died to it. I'll say this. I'm not going to answer the question, but I'll say this just to set this up a little more. We typically teach grace as Romans 5. I mean, that's how I always heard it in the church, was like, well.

[Jase Robertson]

Be specific for people who don't know what Romans 5 is.

[Zach Dasher]

Basically, I always heard grace taught as, hey, no matter what you've done, there's no. No, there's no God will forgive. There's no level that you've gotten to that can't be forgiven, which is true. It's just not complete. So if you think about, like the argument Paul's. This is a. Paul's making an argument here.

[Jase Robertson]

He's like in Romans 5, I was trying to pick out a verse in Romans 5 that kind of.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, the more you sin at the end of it, the last verse.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

He says, so that just as sin reigned in death, so also grace may reign through righteousness.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, just this phrase alone from Romans 5, and I don't have it pulled up in front of me, but it's where sin increases. Grace abounds all the more. Grace increases all the more.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean that just. So if that. So that is a true statement. But that's not the totality of what the grace of God is. And I think what Paul is doing when he gets into Romans 6 to your point, which you're about to get to, is he's actually expanding out our understanding of the grace of God because any natural mind, if you leave it at that, they're going to think, oh well, I can go on sinning so that grace may increase. And he's like, well, not exactly, because you're not really getting. So he's actually setting us up when he makes the point to make the real point about abiding in Christ, which is what Romans 6, 7 and 8 are all about.

[Jase Robertson]

And I think for the new to the faith, a good verse to explain what we're saying is when Paul wrote to titus in chapter two and 11, he says, the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say no to ungodliness, worldly passions, and to live self controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.

[Zach Dasher]

Do you know how I think it does that? I think it teaches us to say no, not in. I'm going to give you the willpower to say no to sin by giving you the right understanding of the knowledge or like intellectual knowledge. I think it's more this. It teaches you to say no because as you live by the spirit, your affections, your desires, your wants, your longings change. So going back to that, that story that I told about Zach in your point, zach Dasher at 20 years old with Jeff the Robertson at 20 years old. If at that point in my life, like I wanted the party, I wanted to smoke that, I don't want that stuff anymore. I don't.

[Jase Robertson]

You were not thinking in the moment this guy could stab me between the ribs and I could die. But you very well could have. You were putting yourself in a death wish situation.

[Zach Dasher]

If you asked me now, he said, zach, I want you to give me a definition in your mind of hell on earth. I would describe, say, to put me in a party with a bunch of college kids getting commode hugging drunk. I think that's that.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, because your decisions put you in. Where was the presence of God in that?

[Zach Dasher]

He wasn't there. But my point is though, I see no to that now, but when I say no to that now, it's not like I'm like, oh, I really want to do it, though, but I gotta wheel it away. My saying no to going to a frat party is not because I'm. I'm half. I have, like, at this point in my life, like, I promise you, zero temptation. There's. There's nothing. Look at that. I don't look at that and say.

[Jase Robertson]

Man, I want that, and I'll take it.

[Zach Dasher]

But I did want it. At one point in my life, I wanted that.

[Jase Robertson]

I'll take that a little further. My idea of saying no to the frat party is I'll show up at the frat party with my Bible.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, that's a different story.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, well. But it is me saying no, saying, y' all got a better idea out of that, you know? And I've been in some weird situations like that, and it's amazing how I think in their minds, they think you're so crazy for doing that. It scares them. It literally puts the fear of the Lord.

[Phil Robertson]

And it's more than just age, because people mistakenly think because you get older, you learn all these things and make the right decisions, but you don't. Because the sad thing is when men our age are still trying to do the frat party in their own way, and it's just destructive and terrible and destroys relationships and terrible things continue to happen. Why? Because you're believing the lie, which is the whole point of this text, the evil one. Jesus says there's no truth in him at all.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. So you look at, like, a Hugh Hefner before he died, and now the man's legacy. Nobody's like, man, I want. That's how I want to go out. Nobody says that. Everybody's like, that's creepy.

[Phil Robertson]

But it's what happens when you believe the lie long enough. And my point is, you'll hear people say, well, yeah, I was young then. As if now somehow without Christ, you're better. No, you're just either have a better way to hiding it, or you don't care in either way, all you got to do is look at the fruit that comes out of it. And it's terrible.

[Jase Robertson]

To your point, he probably assumed he was king of the world until he wasn't. Well, yeah. Yeah. And that's. That's what.

[Phil Robertson]

And above the law.

[Zach Dasher]

But to the Romans passage that you talked about, I mean, it's. It is like, about being. And then. And the. Because you read Romans 6, but also in John 8.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I didn't even get back there.

[Zach Dasher]

But it is. It has everything to do with slavery, because if you look at, well, that's.

[Jase Robertson]

Where I was going when he said we died to sin rather than in sin. Then he goes into this. Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death? We were there for burial. I mean, it's like we got rid of something here that was causing some problems because of what Jesus did and our surrendering to him, which sounds a lot like being born again, which sounds a lot like sonship. And that's why he goes on to say, we know that our old self was crucified. This is six six. That we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. Just, just think about how what he's introducing in John 8 to them and what Paul is latching a hold of. See, so what does this got to do with this, this movie? Because when we hear the word reckoning, we usually immediately go to the end time judgment, which some of the verses rendered reckoning in the New Testament does. What I found fascinating is here we have in Romans 6:11, it says in the same way here we have an end time reckoning.

[Zach Dasher]

It says, not end time, end time.

[Jase Robertson]

I end time in Christ. Look in the same way. Reckon yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Which made me go back out to one of my favorite movies, the Outlaw Josey Wells. And one of the common phrases you'll hear Clint Eastwood, who was representing this, injustice happened to him and injustice happened to all the people that would follow him along trying to find a place of freedom, which he eventually runs up on O10 Bears and gives him the words of life or the words of death. Does that sound familiar? And old Timber said, it shall be life. But in the middle of all that, Eastwood would keep saying in various situations, I reckon so. Yeah, I reckon not. I reckon so. Which is what we do in Duck Blinds, you know, kind of based on that movie with all my buddies, when someone says something that obviously we should be doing to help the duck situation. Yeah, I'll say, I reckon so. I'm giving them a day of reckoning in the day, saying, that's good logic. And now I brought up the word logic because here's what I found fascinating. You know the root word for the word reckoning there that says count yourselves comes from the word logos. Well, who is that? Referred to Jesus. Jesus. The word became flesh, the logos, the logic of God. And so really getting back to this silly movie, they're trying to give you the logic of mission and pot. We're Going to do something. And this is the final logic, the conclusion. Everything is coming together. So I mean, we'll watch it, but I'm pretty sure that it's not going to be anything life changing.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And they do it again. They do it again. They keep dipping that blade in a bucket of blood and they just let it freeze to where the outside of that blade is just ice. Like a Popsicle of blood. And so the wolf would smell the blood.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So he's drawn to it. He's drawn. He's like, I don't want that. So he goes. And he gets. And they got that sword sticking out of the ground, that big knife, and that wolf will start licking that blood off of that blade. And because he's licking a Popsicle, his tongue gets numb.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And he just keeps licking and just keeps licking. And then he gets to the blade and he doesn't realize he's licking a sharp blade and he's ripping, shredding his tongue up with. His tongue starts bleeding, and he's smelling his own blood, which makes him more hungry. And he just keeps on until literally, his tongue is just.

[Jase Robertson]

He bleeds to death. He bleeds to death.

[Zach Dasher]

To death. On his own appetite. And I thought, man, if that's. And he said. And the guy was like, this is what porn is. And I thought. I thought this is what sin is.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. That's one of the greatest illustrations I've ever heard, because it's all wrapped in a delusion.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. His name is Josh Howerton. Howard Howerton. So, yeah, we'll look him up.

[Jase Robertson]

We think. I think we got it. It was a good illustration. So especially as a hunter, I'm like. But what I. When I wanted to look at the ratings and see how this movie was coming across, because my whole point is they're barring spiritual principles to try to sell a movie. It's like, everybody would like to do the impossible. Well, the Bible's filled with impossible things happening. God is the God of making things that were not possible. In fact, one of my favorite verses is, everything is possible to those who believe. And. And even verses like, it was impossible for Jesus to remain dead. That in Acts 2. You remember that?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Think Hebrews 11, where it says it is impossible for.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, impossible for God to lie to Hebrews 6.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, in Hebrews 11, it says, without faith, it is impossible to please God. These are the kind of missions that you should be going on. Because with God, all things are possible that are good, especially at the end life. Because it made me think of how they view it. And so look, of all the quotes. I mean, I didn't make this up. I did this this morning. I was just kind of looking about the movie, and they had a tagline, a quote that sums up this movie. And I wanted to. It's pretty in depth, so I thought this would be right up your alley. Zach. Here we go. What? The character. At some point, I Guess in the movie says our lives are not defined by any one action. Our lives are the sum of our choices. So let's just think about that. Our lives are not defined by one action. Our lives are the sum of our choices. What does that mean? What does that mean when you hear that?

[Zach Dasher]

I think it means it's the collective direction of your life. Like the, like the, the Eugene or actually the Nietzsche quote, Long Obedience in the same direction. What's your. What's your rhythm? What's your trajectory? That's what I hear.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Well, I hear.

[Zach Dasher]

Which I could agree with it or disagree with it, depending on. I'm. I could, I could go.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Context is there's some, you know, I'm like, well, yeah, and. Yeah. I mean, but when I think about, you know, when it says our lives are not defined by one action, there's.

[Zach Dasher]

One action that defines it all.

[Jase Robertson]

Au contraire. Au contraire. And what I came up with that I thought sums up what John 8, this discussion of them trying to kill him and the words he's saying. I tried to sum up one action that depicts what's going on, not only in John 8, but in my own life. So I came up with this. This is 1 Corinthians 15:17. And it says, if Christ has not been raised, which I would say is one action that happened on this planet, and I'm a believer of it. If, if that hasn't happened, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. And I think that was the basis of what he was introducing in this argument, of them trying to kill him. And he's like, I don't want you to die in your sins. You're. You're, you're following your father. They're like, oh, Abraham. He's like, no, I'm talking about the devil.

[Zach Dasher]

Wrong, Daddy.

[Jase Robertson]

But. And when someone says our lives are not defined by one action, my life is defined by one action. And I just shared what that was.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you know what Paul said when.

[Jase Robertson]

The resurrection of Christ occurred.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I understood that my life became defined by that.

[Zach Dasher]

When you were in Romans 6.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. You're making all the connecting of the dots, which is why I don't know.

[Zach Dasher]

If you're going to go here. I'm going to read it. Because one action. This is Romans 6:10 was the first thing I thought of. The death. He died. He died to sin once. He died to sin once for all. But the life he lives, he lives to God. So you think about it. It is defined by one death.

[Jase Robertson]

It Is. And so then it would make that next statement make sense because we had an impossible thing happen. A guy died, a human being died. He was a baby, he grew up, he was a toddler, he got lost his parents, you rem. He went along, he started talking, he was doing, you know, some supernatural looking things. And all of a sudden they said, well, he's got to go. And this is the beginning of that phase. They're trying to stone him now. Well, eventually they found some people who had hang him up on a cross. And then three days later he comes back and the impossible has become possible. Because the greatest fear is death itself. This is the Mission Impossible. How in the world are we going to live again? And I believe Tom Cruise is subtly trying to live that out. That's why he's doing his own stunts. He's like, look, I'm into science, guys, I'll jump out of planes. I can make the possible happen for you for 12.99 and some popcorn and some pleasantries. But no matter how that happens, the real mission that he should be addressing is his own life. Because I, I started this off not realizing that he was still alive. And you thought, well, that's crazy, Jay. No, guess what? People die. Tom Cruise, he's gonna die. He may die healthy and he may die jumping out of another plane one.

[Zach Dasher]

Day, but he will die.

[Jase Robertson]

And then the real Mission Impossible begins. And I think that's what Jesus can.

[Zach Dasher]

He come out of the grave.

[Jase Robertson]

So then I want to read the tagline of that quote. Our lives are the sum of our choices based on the resurrection of Jesus. Now we got. We're making some sense now. Oh, yeah. The choices that you're going to make about that fact, that action that happened. Oh, that's really going to be telling for the rest of your life. So I just wanted to put that to bed. I'm done with it. Because it's the final reckoning. I just wanted to give you some final logic on the final reckoning of the Mission Impossible.

[Phil Robertson]

When you were talking about movies, I thought you were going to another great movie that we love that because of the word reckoning. And that was from Tombstone.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, gosh.

[Phil Robertson]

And, and what made it so good? Because you remember at the end when they said, what, what, what is this? And I think it was Doc Odd. They said, it's a reckoning.

[Zach Dasher]

It's the reckoning.

[Jase Robertson]

The, the beauty of this, what you just introduced is you have the reckoning now because God's grace is available for all of us and you can Be raised. You can die and be buried and raised and still be on the planet. And then there's another. There's a not yet that's going to happening that hasn't happened, that will happen. And it's a reckoning. It is the completion of the logic that you used based on the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[Phil Robertson]

But you remember, you remember in the movie the pivotal point wasn't the OK Corral, which is we all know about that was just in the middle of the movie that just forced the truth. Because then it was like, well, we can't live with these cowboys. And so he got to that point how? By death. Which is.

[Jase Robertson]

Where does that come from? Wrong camp.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, yeah, wrong.

[Zach Dasher]

And it was a reckoning.

[Jase Robertson]

It was, it was a reckoning.

[Zach Dasher]

And if you watch the movie, you're like, I mean it's one of my favorite movies. You're like, I mean I'm like I want to be a cowboy. I'm like let's go, let's roll.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, right, but I'm saying the opposite is true in Jesus. He came back from the dead. That that's the real reckoning.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. So there's in the end if everybody dies and the choices then post resurrection like the some of your choices that they, that point they become different practices. Because that's the text in John 8. He says basically everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. And I think this is true. NT Wright said this somewhere. I may have heard it in a talk that he gave somewhere, but he said define sin in this way that we were given dominion as humans. We were given dominion over the earth. It's delegated to us from God. We have a dominion that we can exercise over the world around us. And it was given us in Genesis chapter one. What he says sin actually is, is to abdicate your God given dominion and to give that over to the idols. And then in turn the idols have dominion over us. So we actually become slaves to the depravity. We become slaves to the sin, which is the wolf analogy. You're licking the popsicle and you don't realize it's your own appetite that is leading to your own destruction. And that is the nature of sin. We see it at celebrate recovery all the time, people that are escaping that. But if you talk to anybody that's been in this, the deepest tranches of an addiction, they'll tell you I was a slave to it. What started out as fun, what started out as euphoria, became the thing that enslaved them. And that is the core of what Jesus is talking about in John 8 and his counter to the slavery. I just think this is so key, going back to our last podcast. The counter to the slavery is not to will it away. The counter to the slavery is to realize that this is about sonship.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, I agree, absolutely. But I think what's very scary about this passage is that these were people hiding their sins in religion itself that God instituted.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, man. Yeah, that's scary. That is scary.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. We tend to think, oh, all these people in sin, like the wolves and the. But these were savage wolves among people claiming God as their God, the same God that he's representing, which is why.

[Zach Dasher]

That blood popsicle, it is pornography. But it can also be sectarianism in a religious. It can be the things of God himself. And so I think that, like, if you let them terminate on themselves and you can be like that wolf and you're licking that pot and you just become desensitized to it.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

You don't even realize, like in your own desensitivity, that you're doing the very things that are leading to your death and corruption. You become so attached to that. And that's not freedom. Freedom is the opposite. Dallas Willard said that freedom is the ability to do whatever you want to do. He says in Christ, he says you can do whatever you want to do. He says in Christ, Willard says, you can murder all you want, which is none at all. That's the transformation. I can murder all I want in Christ, which is none at all. Because you can't get away from the reshaping and the reorientation of your desire, your wants and your longings. And that's. I think that Jesus is laying the foundation for that with these Pharisees, because they had taken everything that God had given them from the Old Testament and they had lifted that up and everything terminated right there. And that's why that passage in 2 Corinthians 3, Paul says that thing was coming to an end.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, let's bring up the second Corinthians.

[Phil Robertson]

3 before you look at that. Jason, I want to read you the three questions. And we've referenced these before, but in the context of what we're talking about today, because we're at the heart of it now. Now, three questions he asked in this text from. From 42 to 47 of chapter eight. Why is my language not clear to you? We talked about why. Because the hard heart. Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? That's the second question.

[Jase Robertson]

There's where the self righteous People have to get off the bus.

[Phil Robertson]

Got to get off.

[Jase Robertson]

That verse meant a lot to me when I found my way to the Lord so clear.

[Phil Robertson]

And then the third question, I was.

[Jase Robertson]

Like, he is the righteous. I think I'm good. He is good. I could never ask that question. Do you realize no human could ever say that who's an adult?

[Phil Robertson]

No.

[Jase Robertson]

Prove me guilty of sin. It's not that you. We zero in on the proof, but it's not there.

[Phil Robertson]

So the third question. If I'm telling you the truth, why don't you believe me?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I think it's three questions in one.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is how you view. How you should view him. But I wanted to say this because I know we're almost out of time. Those questions are. Go. Go in. Great. But when I scroll down, looking at the movie, because I became so upset with the message of Mission Impossible, I'm still gonna go say it, because I have.

[Phil Robertson]

That was my last question I was gonna ask you.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, but here's what's funny. I noticed that they only. You know, in our little Podunk theater, they only have six or seven, maybe. I looked at the last one, and you know what the name of it was? The Face of Christ. And it was like a documentary. I watched the little thing, and I was like, huh. Well, I went down a rabbit hole, you know, like, trying to figure out what this show was going to be about. And they started talking about veils, and they think they have the image of Christ's face. And I was kind of rolling my eyes a little bit.

[Zach Dasher]

With the shroud of Tauren?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I think that's. There's something to that.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, there's something to it. But you know what I found fascinating?

[Zach Dasher]

What?

[Jase Robertson]

When I started looking up the Greek word for the presence of God. You know what the word translated mostly comes out in the New Testament is, what's that face? And I'm gonna. You've been in Second Corinthians 3 all day. So I just thought this was interesting that you brought. Brought that up. So. 2 Corinthians 3:16 says, Whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now, the Lord is the Spirit. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. You've talked about that. And we who with unveiled faces, which is the same word translated, think second Thessalonians 1 when it says, those who don't obey God, obey the gospel and don't know God, they will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the. The presence of God. Look Face. Face of God, the presence. It's the same word used here. But what's magical? Magical is terrible. What's supernatural about this verse is that we with unveiled faces reflect the Lord's glory. His presence comes and reflects off us, which is our response to grace. That's good, by the way. And then it says, are being transformed into his likeness with ever increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. So doing a movie about the face of Christ, the presence in that light is very inspirational.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I know we're out of time, Al, but I want to answer your question. I don't know if you asked it, but the answer to the question that Jesus asked, the three questions, he tells them right here. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God. And so if you're. If you think, oh, man, I want to hear God, what do you do? I don't know him. I'm not of him. How do I hear Him? I think that Second Corinthians passage, he says, when one turns to the Lord. So you turn to the Lord, and then the veil is removed and you become of God, and you're like, oh, oh. And you begin the process of walking in the Spirit and find that transformation him.

[Phil Robertson]

No, that's good. Well, we'll. We'll pick it up here next time We've advanced in John 8. I'm happy these last podcast we did, so we'll pick it up next time I run ashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.