Ep 1109 | Jase Puzzles over Uncle Si’s Pals Believing His Death Hoax—While He’s in the Room with Them!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Episode: Ep 1109 | Jase Puzzles over Uncle Si’s Pals Believing His Death Hoax—While He’s in the Room with Them!
Release Date: June 13, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In Episode 1109 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, hosts Jase Robertson, Phil Robertson, Zach Dasher, and special guests delve into a mix of personal anecdotes, faith discussions, and family updates. This episode provides listeners with an intimate look into the Robertson family's experiences, challenges, and spiritual insights.

Sharing Father's Funeral Live and Public Reaction

The episode opens with Jase sharing the family's recent decision to film and broadcast their father's funeral live. This unique approach garnered significant attention and a plethora of comments from listeners.

Jase Robertson (01:06): "We released the dad's funeral this last weekend, Zach, and a lot of you have sent some amazing comments. We're so glad we got to share it with you."

The family reflects on the reactions, emphasizing their intention to honor their father's legacy by sharing his message about the Gospel.

Handling Negative Feedback and Reflecting on Personal Character

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around a particularly harsh comment labeling Jase as a narcissist. This sparked a deeper conversation about personal growth and self-awareness.

Jase Robertson (03:08): "And then one guy says, 'Your dad was a saint, but you're the biggest narcissist I've ever seen.'"

Phil intervenes to reassure Jase, highlighting that self-reflection is a sign of humility, not narcissism.

Phil Robertson (05:09): "If you have something in you that asked yourself the question, am I a narcissist? Then that means you're not a narcissist."

This exchange underscores the family's commitment to addressing criticism with grace and understanding.

Upcoming Events: Faith, Family and Freedom

The Robertson family shifts focus to promote their annual event, Faith, Family and Freedom, scheduled for June 29th. They discuss the event's evolution, safety measures, and the meaningful activities planned, including worship sessions and fireworks.

Zach Dasher (11:33): "This is the third annual, by the way."

Jase adds excitement about his role in the event, mentioning his upcoming sermon and the special tribute to their father.

Jase Robertson (07:42): "I'm going to be preaching the same sermon that we're about to talk about. And it is a kind of a tribute to dad, and it'll be great."

Personal Health Journey: Weight Loss Story

Jase shares his transformative weight loss journey, detailing his collaboration with PhD Weight Loss and highlighting the program's benefits.

Jase Robertson (12:18): "I have found, thanks to your help, actually, Zach, the folks at PhD weight loss... I've actually lost 62 pounds."

He emphasizes the program's holistic approach, combining dietary guidance with mental and emotional support, and encourages listeners to embark on their own health journeys.

Jase Robertson (12:50): "They're high in protein, low carb... it's time to do it. Jump in and you'll get it done."

Social Media and Its Effects on Personal Lives

The hosts discuss their limited engagement with social media, sharing personal reasons for staying away and the challenges that arise when unexpected information surfaces online.

Zach Dasher (09:50): "People are... scrolling while life is going on."

This segment highlights the family's preference for authentic, face-to-face interactions over digital communication.

Diving into Bible Study: Old and New Testament Insights

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to an in-depth Bible study. Jase and Zach explore connections between the Old Testament's books of Exodus and Joshua and the New Testament's teachings in John.

Exploring God's Covenant with Abraham

Jase reflects on Genesis 15, discussing God's covenant with Abraham and its fulfillment in Joshua's leadership.

Jase Robertson (20:11): "It's a picture here of how God works in our decisions, even in our rebellion with his people."

He draws parallels between the sacrifices made in Genesis 15 and the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus, emphasizing God's unwavering commitment to His promises.

The Significance of Crossing the Jordan

The discussion moves to Joshua 3, where the Israelites cross the Jordan River, symbolizing a transformative journey from bondage to freedom.

Jase Robertson (34:49): "He was there, and I mentioned it right off the bat, and she got a huge round of applause, which I thought was neat for her."

Jase and Zach interpret this event as a metaphor for personal spiritual transformation, highlighting how faith bridges the gap between Death and Life.

Zach Dasher (39:10): "This crossover is a change that is literally. You're departing to go back to what I described about Phil."

Personal Anecdotes and Humor

Throughout the episode, the family interjects humorous anecdotes and light-hearted banter, showcasing their close-knit relationships and ability to find joy amidst serious discussions.

Phil Robertson (36:17): "They are a full compound of dogs. We have three that actually belong to me..."

These moments provide a balance to the more profound conversations, keeping the tone engaging and relatable.

Reviews of Movies and Pop Culture

In a lighter segment, Zach shares his thoughts on the latest "Mission Impossible" movie and praises the TV series "The Chosen" for its authentic portrayal of the Gospel.

Zach Dasher (46:15): "We've got people who like the movie. Missy loved it and I was like you a lot."

Phil echoes this sentiment, encouraging listeners to watch "The Chosen" to experience the story of Jesus brought to life on screen.

Closing Remarks and Encouragements

As the episode concludes, the family reiterates their commitment to sharing their faith, supporting each other, and engaging with their community through upcoming events and personal endeavors.

Jase Robertson (57:23): "Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast."

They leave listeners with a sense of warmth, encouragement, and anticipation for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jase Robertson (03:08): "And then one guy says, 'Your dad was a saint, but you're the biggest narcissist I've ever seen.'"

• Phil Robertson (05:09): "If you have something in you that asked yourself the question, am I a narcissist? Then that means you're not a narcissist."

• Jase Robertson (12:18): "I've actually lost 62 pounds."

• Zach Dasher (39:10): "This crossover is a change that is literally. You're departing to go back to what I described about Phil."

• Jase Robertson (34:49): "He was there, and I mentioned it right off the bat, and she got a huge round of applause, which I thought was neat for her."

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This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family offers a heartfelt blend of personal stories, faith reflections, and family dynamics, making it a compelling listen for both long-time followers and new listeners seeking inspiration and authentic conversations about Christianity and family life.

Transcript

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[Zach Dasher]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jase Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We, we released the dad's funeral this last weekend, Zach, and a lot of you have sent some amazing comments. We're so glad we got to share it with you. Yeah, you know, it's not. It's just not something you do obviously all the time, but it was something that we felt like dad wanted to do is like him speaking kind of from beyond the pale about the gospel and how it matters and then coming through his kids. I thought it was good. I mean it's not something you would.

[Zach Dasher]

Normally do, but very little recollection of.

[Jase Robertson]

It kind of was a blur now.

[Zach Dasher]

When I was in a fog, but I just don't think I could watch it, you know?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I watched a little bit of it. It was funny. Zach. So, you know, I don't read comments, Jason. I are kind of commentless, but I have to admit there were so many.

[Zach Dasher]

Wait a minute. Don't connecting yourself with me.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm saying you said that for. I don't read the comments. I don't either said that.

[Zach Dasher]

But back. Back the truck up a little bit. I don't get on social media. So it's like, oh man, don't read the comments. No, I'm not even there. I did one post and I broke my cycle.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Because I've already shared that story. So just releasing the fact that my dad had died.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

And I only did it because the media.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. You have to get out ahead of it.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. Being. Trying to think of a positive word here, but sensational.

[Jase Robertson]

Maybe it's a good way to.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, they were sensational.

[Jase Robertson]

They kind of did the same thing with mom this last weekend because something you and Willie had said a while back about her being in poor health, which she has been for a pretty good while. And then all of a sudden it was like, I think because they're coming in on the heels of dad, it's like Ms. K is now at death's door and you know, all this stuff, it was just.

[Zach Dasher]

Where'd you hear that from?

[Jase Robertson]

It Was. It was all over the Internet, this last reading.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm not.

[Jase Robertson]

People were telling me, Jace, they were like, is your mom.

[Phil Robertson]

We were sitting there with Kay, and I was like. I was looking at her. I said, k. Like, you look incredible. This is about 40.

[Jase Robertson]

She looks great.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, like, I'm like. She said, I don't know what to do about that. I mean, my. I'm a widow now, and everybody tells me how good I look. I mean, I don't know what to make of all that.

[Jase Robertson]

She told me that last night. I wish people quit telling me how good I look. I said, mom, they're just saying that, like, physically, for the first time. And why are you looking great? That's all they're saying. So.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, the comments were encouraging, by the way.

[Jase Robertson]

I will say, well, except for one guy who said, and this is why I don't like reading the comments.

[Zach Dasher]

But you did.

[Jase Robertson]

I know I did, and I shouldn't have.

[Zach Dasher]

So you should start there.

[Jase Robertson]

I made a mistake. You're right. I was wrong. And so all these things I'm reading and they're so encouraging about that. And then one guy says, we, your dad was a saint, but you're the biggest narcissist I've ever seen.

[Phil Robertson]

Wow.

[Jase Robertson]

And then I was like. So I got me back. And then. Then I was like, am I narcissist? I mean, of all the things I've ever been accused of, and many of them have been true, never a narcissist.

[Phil Robertson]

Jayce, is he a narcissist?

[Zach Dasher]

What do you think? I'm looking the word up because I thought it had something to do with killing somebody in that. Where did I get that connection?

[Phil Robertson]

Because a lot of murderers are narcissists. It could be narcissist and not being.

[Jase Robertson]

This is kind of sociopathic on its scale, right, Zach?

[Phil Robertson]

Like, self absorbed.

[Jase Robertson]

Not like I would see myself, but.

[Zach Dasher]

You know, I went through a period of life where I watched, like, Dateline, Missy, and I got in the Dateline deal. It was a sign of old age.

[Jase Robertson]

You and Willie. Willie got into that, too.

[Zach Dasher]

I watched like a hundred episodes, you know, in. In a few weeks a couple years ago. Yeah. And so maybe that's where that came from, but I'm actually looking it up. It says it's a personality disorder. Narcissist personality disorder. This is not from AI this is actually some clinic group. So they've defined this for you.

[Jase Robertson]

So I see what you are is.

[Zach Dasher]

A mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. You got those tendencies.

[Jase Robertson]

I have confidence.

[Zach Dasher]

They need and confident person. Too much attention people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. Well, that's not true. You're out on that.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I'm very.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Al, here's the question. Do you. After you read that, did. Did you have anything in you that asked yourself the question, am I narcissist?

[Jase Robertson]

I did, immediately.

[Phil Robertson]

Then that means you're not a narcissist. Because a narcissist would never say, am I a narcissist?

[Jase Robertson]

They would never even think that. They think, who is.

[Phil Robertson]

They'd be like, that guy. This guy. I mean, it would never. They would instantly project and defect. So they wouldn't.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I immediately thought. In fact. So I had read it, and then I was preaching Sunday, and I was going to tell our church because I had announced there last year that I was going to do a 60 by 60 campaign to lose weight. And then I had an epic fail, which is.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, but a narcissist would do that.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, maybe. Maybe so, but. So then I.

[Zach Dasher]

Hey, guys.

[Jase Robertson]

But I actually did it.

[Zach Dasher]

Hey, guys. I'm fixed to lose some weight.

[Jase Robertson]

No, but I did it for accountability. Jays. But it was. It was a mistake because I didn't do it. But then I had to say, I got to my birthday and I was like, okay, epic fail. I didn't lose. Anyway, Jace lost a bet. But then six months later, I'm still 60, and guess what?

[Zach Dasher]

You lost.

[Jase Robertson]

I lost 60 pounds.

[Phil Robertson]

You lost. You did it.

[Jase Robertson]

There you go.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, you're not a narcissist. I want to. I want to. I want to cast.

[Jase Robertson]

Thank you, Zach.

[Phil Robertson]

You are not.

[Jase Robertson]

Because that person. That wasn't a real. It was like one of those meme covers for their thing. So if you're the one that. It is that. Thank you for now backing up.

[Phil Robertson]

I didn't do it. I would not.

[Zach Dasher]

See, that's the problem with these comments that people do behind closed walls, because you could read a hundred positive ones, but the only one you remember, you're exact.

[Jase Robertson]

And that is the sad thing. I did read a hundred positive ones, and I should be focused on that because they were amazing. So, again, there is another.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, let me. Let me just give y' all a piece of advice on this, because I do read the comments.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, well, y' all need to repent. You need to repent.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, that's part of. I'm trying to keep up with everything, but it's like, for me, it's been like taking allergy shots. You know what I mean? It's like at first you're like, whoa, that. That stings. But then after a while, you just kind of understand that it's part. Like, if you have a public profile, part of the thing is going to be that they're going to have a small group of detractors.

[Zach Dasher]

We might already get to the Bible, because this is going off the rail. Zach says things that, like, you know, it's. It's like when you take allergy shots. No one I know in my life I know would know what. What you're talking about.

[Phil Robertson]

I've never taken allergy shots. But you. It's kind of like you take a little bit.

[Jase Robertson]

Jersey Joe takes them speaking.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. It's like you take a little bit of the thing you're allergic to, and every time, you kind of build up an immunity to it.

[Jase Robertson]

I just think. I think that's how you go down that road, because once you. I just endure allergies.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I do want to mention this, and this may be narcissistic of me, but I have an event this Sunday.

[Zach Dasher]

Yep. I see where they got. At least I see where they go.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, you may be a narcissist, but.

[Jase Robertson]

This is just so people will know. I'm in Mobile, Alabama, south coast church on Father's Day, which is this Sunday, and I'm going to be preaching. I'm going to actually preach the same sermon that we're about to talk about. And then. But in it is a kind of a tribute to dad, and it'll be great.

[Zach Dasher]

I heard your sermon yesterday, and. And mom, look, she's good. She. We sat with her at church.

[Jase Robertson]

She was there yesterday, and I mentioned it right off the bat, and she got a huge round of applause, which I thought was neat for her. And she was waving, you know, from her wheelchair down there. It was awesome.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. It's always. One of the reasons I got off social media is when my buddies one night were sending me texts, I was playing cards with other buddies, and some of them are sending me a text at the table instead of just saying, hey, Jase, sorry to hear about.

[Jase Robertson]

I love it that people text in the same room now.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. Well, here's what's funny about this story is they were. Someone released that Sa was no longer with us.

[Jase Robertson]

Here we go.

[Zach Dasher]

He's sitting at the table, and there are people. The reason they're texting somebody shaking to make sure. No, they're texting me like, what do you want to do about this? I'm like, he's sitting at the table in the room. I mean, these aren't, you know, close friends, I guess, because they thought, oh, it's awkward. Should we tell side that someone has just reported that he's no longer with us and we're sitting at the table. It's like, you know, I think the biggest problem I have with that whole world is it's kind of designed just to waste time.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

People are. Because I get, you know, they'll come over for supper and they're just. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, they're. They're scrolling while life is going on.

[Jase Robertson]

And which is why that these things get out there, because everybody that's sending out information wants you scrolling and clicking on whatever they're putting out there. So they're going to be sensational, which. That's what we're seeing. A lot of these crazy stuff.

[Zach Dasher]

I think it's a problem. It's just turning people into zombie.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, even like yesterday, my little scripture reader for the sermon, it was interesting because they send me little notes about him. And this guy. This little kid's 10 years old, going in the fifth grade, but one of his things he wants to be is a YouTube person. I heard that and. And I thought, well, that's. He is a full product of this generation. Now, when that's a. A goal you have set at 10.

[Zach Dasher]

Years, think about 40 years ago, somebody come out and said, I want to be a YouTuber.

[Jase Robertson]

We'd like crickets.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm a YouTuber. I mean, would you have known what that was? 40 years?

[Jase Robertson]

But one of my granddaughters is like that. She's like. She thinks. She thinks it's really cool.

[Zach Dasher]

I think everybody deep down wants to be a star.

[Jase Robertson]

It is. And now there's a way to do it at that place, you know, which is there. Jay, tell us about the faith family freedom. I see you're wearing the shirt today.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. No, here's the difference between me and you. The narcissist. My wife handed me the shirt. I said, wear this for the podcast. So we've done this. How many years have we done this?

[Jase Robertson]

I think at least four or five.

[Phil Robertson]

Four or five?

[Jase Robertson]

Four, maybe.

[Zach Dasher]

Look at this. The timing is weird. My wife sending me text. So we. My wife had a idea. She just invited the public. For faith, family and freedom in the spirit of the fourth of July.

[Jase Robertson]

This is the third annual, by the way. I'm looking at it.

[Zach Dasher]

My third annual. And you know, we, we do a little worship thing. We do some fireworks. We have that a lot safer. We made a good adjustment there. You know, you get a couple thousand people and you hire the local redneck to do fireworks and he just does it right in the middle of the crowd. Like 27 minutes of death defying fireworks. So we moved that a little bit away, literally.

[Jase Robertson]

Death defying fireworks.

[Zach Dasher]

Missy's like, what'd you think? I was like, well, we survived.

[Jase Robertson]

Zach, do you remember when 60 seemed like it was old?

[Phil Robertson]

It still seems old to me. I don't know about you, brother.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I used to think 60 was old until I turned 60. And I realized as I was getting near, I needed to lose some weight. I was not very healthy. But I have found, thanks to, to your help, actually, Zach, the folks at PhD weight loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas is her name and she has created a program that I started. And Now I am 22 weeks into. And it's been amazing. I have now lost over 60 pounds. So my 60 by 60 by 60 has happened. I've actually lost 62 pounds. If you're looking at a picture here, this is me at the beginning of the weight loss journey, and this is me now. And you can definitely tell the difference. She teaches you what to eat, when to eat, but also talks about your relationship with food. And, you know, for most of us, it's a lifelong battle. You know, for me, it started at about 40 years old. And now I realize, yeah, I tried the gimmicks, I tried the pills, the injections, all of that had terrible side effects. PhD has none of that. It's high in protein, it's low carb. They provide food, 80% of your weekly food, at no extra cost. And it's time to do it. You know, if you're out there and you've been waiting, I'm telling you, jump in and you'll get it done. Join me on my weight loss journey. Schedule your one on one consultation today. They're really going to explain some great things to you by calling 864-644-1900 or you can visit myphdweightloss.com that's 864-644-1900. Tell them that Al Roberson sent you.

[Zach Dasher]

We made an adjustment on that. So I feel like we're safer now. But I don't know, it just turned into. I think it's more about the freedom we have in Christ. But we, we do honor.

[Jase Robertson]

And it's almost. Since it's a Sunday, it's almost turned into a weekend thing in terms of people come to WFR usually that morning and then that's that afternoon. It's. It's usually it's been the Sunday the 4th this year. It's June 29th. And by the way, it's logtown estate.com is. Has the information for it if you want to go.

[Zach Dasher]

So there's the information if you want to come. We.

[Phil Robertson]

Can you stay at Logtown? Can you stay there?

[Zach Dasher]

No, it's that whoever's staying there, that was. Yeah, that was booked the day after last year, so I didn't, I didn't.

[Jase Robertson]

Get the other place.

[Phil Robertson]

Did you get the invite, Al? Have you been invited?

[Jase Robertson]

Of course. It's a standing invite because the general public has been invited. Zach. That's. Yeah, I'm a part of the general public.

[Zach Dasher]

Almat had been accused of being a narcissist. But you're showing that you have those tendencies. The general.

[Phil Robertson]

You walked in and you said you didn't get the invite. And I was like, no. And then. So you set me up, Jace. You said you didn't get the invite, and I was like, no. Like, meaning that was. And you said, well, I mean, I've been.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm excited. I am in town this year, so.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm looking forward to it. You know, we experience freedom in America. We experienced freedom.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm actually preaching that day. Did you know that it's.

[Zach Dasher]

No, I didn't know that.

[Jase Robertson]

If that helps you make your decision to come, I will be preaching at wfi. I'll be preaching in Joshua.

[Zach Dasher]

I did that last year and that was too much.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I figured it was. That's why I stepped in for you, Jay.

[Zach Dasher]

So the gist of it is we have a little backyard Jesus presentation and I have a couple friends that may come this year that it's not confirmed, so I'm not going to drop their names. But. So that would be interesting that. I mean, they're quite famous, so we'll see if they show up. But they're not doing what they became famous for. They're coming to be a part of the little backyard Jesus presentation every 30 minutes. Just random.

[Phil Robertson]

So there'll be some preaching. They're like, what else?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, there's a Jesus is shared.

[Zach Dasher]

That's volunteer. I mean, you can. The whole thing's free. So it's not like. But it's quite the production that my wife and her team puts on every year.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And then, you know, if there's too many people and you have to Walk a mile to get in, so be it. But, you know, that's just the way it is.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. It's at the Logtown estate that Jason. Missy have. It's beautiful out there.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, and you can buy one of these shirts.

[Jase Robertson]

There you go.

[Zach Dasher]

20 bucks.

[Phil Robertson]

So it's on the. I'm looking it up right now. It's on the. What day is it going to be.

[Jase Robertson]

On the 28th, 29th, 29.

[Zach Dasher]

Information. Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

So. So let me give you a one little piece of advice if you're listening, because I just looked this up. You can. You got a heyjack.com to get your hotel.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, here we sign up.

[Phil Robertson]

You got to do it sound to honest. I'm looking at it right now. And it's significant cash back on pretty much every hotel in the area. You're going to get the lowest price.

[Zach Dasher]

On the Internet and you probably need to put some stuff on there that will cool you down because I'm not apologizing. When you.

[Jase Robertson]

It is hot.

[Zach Dasher]

It will be hot.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, it's going to be hot. So you want to be at a place. It's in Monroe. So if you're going to stay at a hotel when you do your search, you got. You stay near Monroe because that's on the other side of the river from.

[Zach Dasher]

Where Jason is in West Monroe and drive 10 minutes.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's any. Any place in Monroe. West Monroe is good to get to there. And also if you come to WFR that day, I'm preaching at 10. We'll have the unashamed Bible class at 9, which would be great that day. So there's a lot of cool stuff for the whole day. It's going to be a great day.

[Zach Dasher]

Okay.

[Jase Robertson]

All right. Is that it, Jay?

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. So I want to hear about your sermon. I heard it yesterday. I thought it was fantastic. Al, you're real good in the Old Testament history. Y' all are doing a series in Joshua, but since the book of John. We're in the book of John. John keeps referring to what happened in the Hebrew scriptures as Jesus being the fulfillment. And he keeps using illustration after illustration from Moses to Abraham. So there's connections here.

[Jase Robertson]

And I mentioned yesterday at the beginning, just that thing, Jase, that I loved the time I spent studying the Old Testament when Jason and I were in school together because it opened up a lot for me. What has now backtracked some 35 years later is our study in the New Testament going back to the Old Testament. And I'm learning some things I didn't learn even years and years ago. Which, by the way, is why you study the Bible, because things come to life. And so some of the things we've been doing recently have been a blessing. And one of the things that I started with our, we have a little scripture reader that reads the scripture and a lot of times it's in the text that you're going. But I started out with Romans 12. And it's really interesting because the reason I did that is this idea of transformed life is really what I wound up dealing with way back in Joshua chapter three, which I had never seen this before. And I think it's because of our study in John and all of our New Testament stuff. But you remember the verse, I urge you brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices. Right off the bat, that's so much Old Testament idea because where did the idea of sacrifice come from? And now he says, this is you, holy and pleasing to God. This is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Well, how does that happen? How is that even possible? Somehow something has to be in you that begins a transformation process. When that happens, then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is. His good, pleasing and perfect will. And so that was my jumping off place way back in Joshua chapter three, because we've been studying as a church the book of Joshua. But even that whole, it's almost Zach becomes a whole metaphor. You just did a Lesson on Exodus 3, wasn't it?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And you, you talked about this on the podcast. Well, I saw the same thing in Joshua 3. And all we're doing is fast forwarding to the point where the promises of Abraham are about to be recognized in Joshua chapter 3, because 400 years earlier, in Genesis 15, God appeared to Abraham in this dream and says, look, in 400 years, you know, you know, you're patronage, your people that come from you are going to wind up being enslaved by some people, but I'm going to take care of them. They're going to come out of that slavery and they're going to go into a land. And then he mentions all the people that probably weren't even present yet, but he's given them the play by play. And we get to Joshua 3 and that winds up being exactly what happens. And so we started with the Red Sea crossing, which is in Exodus 13:14. And I made the point, Jace, that they were running from something when the Red Sea crossed, and they're running from slavery, they're running from the enemies of God, and they're running towards this promise. But when they get to Joshua 3, they're running. Instead of away from something, they're running into something. Because now you're realizing the promises of God, you're realizing that we don't run away from enemies, we run towards enemies when God is with us. And so just that idea of crossing the Jordan into something new, it just really struck me as that's exactly what we do. I mean, we cross over into something new. And Jason made the point that you, you said something profound at the dad's funeral, that you said, dad didn't die last week. He died 50 years ago.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which was a very profound statement.

[Zach Dasher]

And in my mind as a kid, I was like, what? What hap. Who. Who is this guy?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

It was. It's not the guy that he once was. There was. You call it a death, which I didn't understand that in the moment, but he literally, the old Phil, the only Phil I knew, he literally died. And it was never the same, even though it was bumpy in the transition.

[Jase Robertson]

And what's funny is, Jay, even Dad realized it because you remember his first comment to his buddies coming back trying to get him, he said, oh, no, boys, that old boy you're looking for is gone. He's dead.

[Phil Robertson]

He's dead and gone.

[Jase Robertson]

Which revolutionizes your thinking if you really stop and think about that for a minute. And our fear of death and our fear of the crossover.

[Phil Robertson]

But you see all that in Exodus, for sure. You see it with both the crossing through the Red Sea and the crossing through the Jordan river with Joshua, that it is that the enemy is being swallowed up into the water. So you see that through kind of like the picture of baptism in the New Testament. But interestingly enough, one thing that hit me this week as I was pouring through Exodus in conversation with what you said about Genesis 15, it's interesting that in Exodus 6, the Lord, he says, he said, God spoke to Moses and he said, I am the Lord. This is in verse two of chapter six, I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty. So in other words, I appeared to all of your patriarchs. And part of what he's talking about here is that appearances in Genesis chapter 15, when the word of the Lord appeared to them and gave them that prophecy. But what's interesting is the difference is between what he did with them and what he did with Moses, because he says, but. But by my name, the Lord Yahweh. I did not make myself known to them. So, Al, I know you guys have a. You got a family of dogs at your house because I just stayed there. I'm going to stay there tonight. And there are quite the number of animals.

[Jase Robertson]

It is a full compound of dogs. We have three that are actually belong to me and my daughter. They kind of share the place. Emmy and Rue and Libby. And then there's Meatball that lives next door but spends a lot of time at my house. So, yes, we. We have a lot of dogs on the compound.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

The dogs all know when feeding time is, and they literally line up when it's time to break out the rough greens. They line up next to my step, so you can always tell it's like, okay, it's their time. And I'm excited to tell you that they also have this same product for cats. And I have a cat down in Gulf Shores named Linda. And so I can't wait to try it out on Linda. She's gonna be lining up like the dogs do.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

They wouldn't write it. That's right.

[Phil Robertson]

They wouldn't even write it. And so when we went to Hobby Lobby and saw that Esther scroll, weren't you with me, Al, when we did that? You remember when they were showing us that they wouldn't put Yahweh in the full name in. But think about that as an Old Testament Jewish understanding of who God is and his name, and then understanding who Jesus is. That at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, that if you ask anything in My name, it shall be done for you. There's no other name under heaven and earth which men can be saved. And so the name of God actually comes down in a way that now not only can we say his name, it's actually by his name, Jesus, that we actually find our true salvation. That is quite the incredible story of Exodus that's fully kind of embraced and accomplished in the New Testament in the one we call Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

No, you're right. So what I did in this. I would never have approached this text the same way had we not been doing the study we're doing, which, by the way, it links into John 8, 9 or John 8, because they brought up Abraham in that text. And Jesus is having to tell him, I am right. I mean, this is me, and this is the reason why. So my approach was threefold. And I think this is a great way to approach your Bible study, especially if you're in the Old Testament. You should always be thinking this way. What did it mean in the present of the people that were dealing with it? Because there's a great story in the book of Joshua about the conquest of Canaan and everything that's happening. And there's a lot of things to learn from that. But anytime you look at a story like that, you just immediately be thinking about the. Where the prophetic message goes to Jesus, because it's always going to be pointing to something that he brings up. And then after that, what does that mean to me? In other words, what's the presence of that in my current life? How does that apply to me? Because everything has application. And so one of the things I looked at in the present, and this comes from the first couple of chapters of. Of Joshua as well, is that God is really in charge of everything. And because even in that promise, Zach, in Genesis 15, he says that little curious statement at the end, Abraham, he says he tells him about the land promise and what's going to happen? He says. But then he adds this little caveat said for the sins of the Amorite has not. Has not reached its full measure. And you're like, who are the Amorites? I mean, Abraham. No, I had no idea who they were. And so the idea was he's like saying, look, I'm working out 400 years in front of you on what I'm going to be doing. But I made the point there that a lot of people make a mistake here when they read passages like this. They say, well, you know, if God's will is supreme, which it is, then our will doesn't matter. But that's not true because God made us in his image to choose and make decisions.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And therefore our will does matter. And the. And the will of an individual affects the will of a collective. And you see that in this text because you see whole groups of people that because they followed false gods, they wound up as a. As a cursed group. And it took them hundreds of years to get there. But that was all done by choice. It wasn't like, you know, well, we didn't have any choice because, you know, the Amorite sin is not to its full measure. No, they were making decisions for 400 years, the wrong ones.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and you also see in Genesis 15, though, is how God is going to work inside of that. I always found it interesting in that passage because there's this weird story that seems kind of weird if you don't know the background of it, of these animals being cut in half. He cut the animals in half and he laid them each half over against the other. So in other words, just imagine like a pathway. If you're imagining this scene of God having this conversation with Abraham and working out this covenant with him when they made the agreement, it's like a pathway of dead animals. So you got these dead animals that half on one side, half on the other, and there's a pathway that you could walk through in between the carcasses, in between the dead carcasses. And so the idea of what that meant is that the parties of the contract would walk through the divided carcasses in Genesis 15. And what they would say collectively is, if either one of us breaks this deal, this covenant, this contract, this thing, what we got going on, if we break the covenant, may this happen to me, May I be cut in half as these animals are cut in half. And that was kind of the idea there. But what's interesting about that scene is that after Abraham cut these animals in half and laid Them out, out and created the path for Abram, I guess Abram, actually, at the time. Abram and God to walk through to make this deal. It says the sun went down, verse 12. A deep sleep fell on Abram. And behold, dreadful and great darkness fell upon him. Then the Lord said to Abram, know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in the land that is not theirs and will be servants there. This is Egypt here. And there. They will be afflicted for 400 years. But I'm going to bring judgment on that nation that they serve. And afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace, and you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites has not yet been complete. And then verse 17. And when the sun had gone down and was dark, behold a smoking firepot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces. And on that day, the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying to your offspring, I will give this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, to the land it goes off to the land that they're going to get. But what's happening here is that instead of both parties going through this pathway and saying, if we break this covenant, made this happen to me, God alone goes through this pathway. And what he's saying is, abram, if you break this covenant, may this happen to me. And it did happen to him. It's foreshadowing of Christ taking on the penalty of us, Abram breaking the covenant with God. And so it's a picture here of how God works in our decisions, even in our rebellion with his people, how God is ultimately going to be the one who pays the price for our violation of the covenant.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, let me show you something I discovered in here. Zach, you're going to love this. So when they came to the Jordan river, of course. So they send in the priest in the Ark of the Covenant, and it's representative of the power of God. It's not the power of God in the presence, because he's way big. You can't put him in a box. Inside the Ark of the Covenant was the tablets of. Of the law, the rod of Aaron, the staff and manna. All those were just reminders that God had been with them. But he said, this is representative of my presence. So they stand in the river. But it's interesting when the water heaps up on one end, it was at A town called Adam, which I thought was really interesting. I never noticed it before, in the vicinity of Zarethon, while the water flowing down to the sea of Araba, which is the Dead Sea. And so the very thing we've talked about before, and the idea that he does it in a town called Adam, which is the original man, and the idea of where relationship breaking came from, and then you see that that flow is cut off to death. So I made the point. God has always been about bringing us from death to life. And Zach, we've talked about this on the podcast. In this Jordan river that they're crossing, which is now at flood stage. During this happening in Joshua 3 is near where Jesus was baptized. And in that moment, you saw the very presence of what we're talking about. You saw the preeminence of Yahweh. You saw the person of Yeshua Jesus. And then you also saw the Holy Spirit, who then lives in us. You saw all three present, which I.

[Zach Dasher]

Think we never say this, but it was. When you even go back to the garden where Adam was, it was an anointing of sorts, because the water, like liquid form, somehow, you know, brought life and even. Even God breathing into the nostrils. So my point is, it's like when you read all these Old Testament prophecy, psalms, Isaiah, you see this, you know, the Christ means anointed one.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And it always has this. This kind of symbolism of water, oil, you know, connected to it. And so then later we're called Christians, which. And it wasn't like we gave that name to ourselves, only mentioned three times in the Bible, and it was given by somebody else, because why? Because we're following the anointed One who anointed us. Right. And so when you see this picture in baptism, of his baptism, it's always done from a prophecy view of this is going to be a suffering servant.

[Phil Robertson]

One of the reasons why I like staying at Al's house is that your. Your house really is like a refuge when you're here. It's like a.

[Jase Robertson]

It is.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a.

[Zach Dasher]

It's a safe place.

[Jase Robertson]

It's a safe place. My safe space.

[Phil Robertson]

And the last time, not the last time I was here, but the time before that, I walk out my cozy earth pajamas, and I kid you not, he's wearing the same.

[Jase Robertson]

We were matching.

[Zach Dasher]

That's weird.

[Phil Robertson]

It was weird, but we were comfortable.

[Jase Robertson]

It's been a while since Zach and I were young enough cousins. We could wear matching pajamas.

[Phil Robertson]

Matching pajamas. Not on purpose, but I say that because I know that a Lot of people really have an impossible to shop for.

[Jase Robertson]

Dad.

[Phil Robertson]

I think I may be that guy. I know you're that guy, Jace.

[Zach Dasher]

My. My wife came up with that. But she realized something. I like to be cozy while I'm on the earth.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, and you do have your little sanctuary there, your little couc.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

So I'm saying you have all these components of suffering, being anointed, new creation or creation itself, life itself, him passing that on to us. And so I said all that to say, because when you made this whole point about crossing over the Jordan and it was a lot of history that you're good at remembering, I'm terrible at. But I was like, well, I know what this represents because Even in John 5 when he says in verse, Was it 24? I tell you the truth, you'd have probably read this if you'd have thought. But I thought of it in your sermon.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned. Well, here's this phrase, he has crossed over from death to life, which is the shadow.

[Jase Robertson]

I'll add that to this Sunday sermon. Jason. Good job.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you know what I find interesting? Not to get too complicated, because I looked up the Greek word. I said, I wonder what the Greek word for that crossover is. And it's another meta.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Zach Dasher]

Meta bano, I think. Remember I did. Somebody sent me a shirt because I did this whole thing about everybody Got into the metaverse.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I just came across that shirt.

[Zach Dasher]

The other day, whatever that means. But it's like everything is changing, you know, but it's a virtual reality, you know, but the Greek word for repentance is metanoia. Well, now, this is another meta word, which means this crossover is a change that is literally. You're departing to go back to what I described about Phil. Oh, it's biblical. You literally die so that you can be raised and you're still actually living.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

That's why I tied that up with the baptism. It is an anointing in humility, even going back to the parting of the Red Sea. And I made a big deal of this when we referred to this in Moses Day. But remember, it's the most misunderstood verse in the Bible. They come to the cliff and there's some concern because if you jump in a sea, people are not supposed to live in extreme wilderness or extreme seas because it's not habitable for humans. There's a reason we don't, you know, live in. In the middle of the sea. I mean, they tried to make a movie about it with old Kevin Costner's worst thing ever. He tried to become a water man. You know, I kind of like that movie. It was so ridiculous. We can't.

[Jase Robertson]

Water world, water world.

[Zach Dasher]

We can't live there.

[Jase Robertson]

They're like, well, that's a hidden gem.

[Zach Dasher]

Let's give him some gills. You know, and maybe the dumbest, maybe I've ever seen in my life.

[Phil Robertson]

I like it.

[Jase Robertson]

It has grown on me.

[Zach Dasher]

My point is, is. Is that they were fearful because they knew they were going to die if they jump in the sea. They didn't know we read the story. I'm like, oh, yeah. You know, and Moses like, oh, I've got an idea. Just stand still and God will fight for you. That's plastered all over everywhere. And then God said, no, jump in the water. It doesn't say that exactly, but he's like, get in the water. I want you to give your life up for. You going to trust me? Me or not? Remember, because this is based on a promise, right? You going to trust what I say? Jump in that sea. Well, when they did and started walking, what happened? He parted the sea. So it's like you had to be willing to give your life to trust him. And when you did, he provided a way.

[Jase Robertson]

That's right.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, that's the narrative that was the crossover. It was a death. The water part, which is this symbol of, you know, the anointing what I believe because that language comes all the way through even into the New Testament where people who have been given the spirit of Jesus, we're anointing other people with oil. It's not about the oil. It's not about all that. But we know that God is a God who transforms and changes. When you read that first verse, what is transformation? That's what's lacking in all these Hollywood movies.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

And so I think this is the perfect time to give you my report on a Winsaw mission.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh yeah, that's right. We. We got to get a. A movie review.

[Zach Dasher]

But it fits in with what we're talking about. That's three hours of my life I will never get back.

[Jase Robertson]

Somehow I knew this is not going to end well.

[Zach Dasher]

Same thing happened, the same narrative. If first of all, the first 40 minutes was spent reviewing every other time they said it was a mission impossible, that they pulled it off. I've already seen all this.

[Jase Robertson]

Which tells me this is the probably the last one for Tom Cruise because they were giving you all the old clips.

[Zach Dasher]

They. They teased that. Yeah, they teased that. That was their. And I hope I spoil this movie for you because oh my goodness, it's like let's take every great thing about God that's in the Bible and let's walk that line that. That Tom Cruise can pull it off.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

You know, and even at the end, look, it was a warm fuzzy in the spirit of Phil, just do good and do good to other people. That they gave a little sermon at the end. We pulled off them the impossible once again. Yeah. So let's just, just. Let's just do good. We need the Earth. We have people. So just do something good. Oh my goodness. It had nothing to do with mission in Boswell. It basically had to do with. They lucked out and just got lucky that they had enough time to save the planet through a series of really lucky events.

[Jase Robertson]

And that's what he pulled it off. Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

The nick of time. That would have been a better name. Not Mission Impossible. In the nick of time, we pushed a couple of buttons and we saved the.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't really think you spoiled it, Jace, cuz I think I. I haven't seen it but I think all of us know they were going to pull it off one more time.

[Zach Dasher]

And I want to give. Cuz I know people who like the movie. Missy loved it and I was like you a lot.

[Jase Robertson]

Everybody I've talked to before you has loved it.

[Zach Dasher]

I was like, you should be ashamed of yourself. Look, it was A war or. Against Tom Cruise and his team, against AI and they called it the Entity. You know, so at the end you think, okay, well, they're going to destroy the entity. No, no, they just put it from a big box to a little box. That's it.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what that means?

[Zach Dasher]

It's if somebody finds this little box one day, guess what?

[Jase Robertson]

The smell reboot.

[Zach Dasher]

And so then there was a smell reboot with. Because in his effort to save the world, he put his life at risk. And so then there's like three seconds of. Did he make it? Is there a resurrection fixing to occur? It's a virtual resurrection because there's nothing in there but Jesus. So it's like he's headed down to the planet, the Earth's surface, at a very rapid rate of speed. And then you're like, did he make it? That. That's. The whole movie hinges on that. Will there be another one?

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, it's coming. What that. What young actor will be the next Tom Cruise? Will it be Timothy Chalamet or whatever?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, they're trying to identify it for sure.

[Zach Dasher]

So that's my review of the movie. The first 40 minutes. The. The movie was too long.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

So if they had cut out the first 40 minutes, all the reviews, because I literally fell asleep during that part. Woke back up.

[Jase Robertson]

But you weren't a huge fan of all the first movies, so no wonder you fell asleep.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, I heard it's like cinematography.

[Phil Robertson]

It'S like super action packed, but there's not a great plot. From what I've heard, I haven't gone to see it.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, there you go. That's what I just said. Do you guys know how much that we love the Chosen and the way it brings the gospel of Jesus to life on a big screen? And season five is coming to prime video.

[Phil Robertson]

Big time.

[Zach Dasher]

I've seen season five and it's a doozy. The creator, Dallas Jenkins, and along with his wife Amanda. Because we're all one in Jesus. They're a friend of ours. And the podcast and the series has become a global phenomenon, which is good.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. You were at the season five premiere, correct?

[Zach Dasher]

I was.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, the table is set. The final hours are approaching. And what do you want our listeners to know about season five of the Chosen? Because you've seen it.

[Zach Dasher]

Yep. It's Passion Week, and it's just an emotional roller coaster, not unlike reading one of the gospels.

[Phil Robertson]

Folks, I want you to read this description with me or hear this, because if you didn't already watch season five, this will probably motivate you to do it. Loyalties will be tested, pushed to the edge of faith and trust. Friendships will be questioned, challenged, and shaken by uncertainty and doubt. Alliances will be broken, families will be divided, and nothing will ever be the same again. It's a journey of faith, doubt, hope, transformation and love. Experience the incredible story of one unforgettable night that changed the course of history forever. And we all know this is a story so profound, it didn't just change lives, it changed the world. So I'll be watching the new season. You don't want to miss this one. Season five comes to Prime Video June 15th.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, the subplot for me was because, I mean, look, I don't want to start. I don't do social media and all that, so I don't want to start some kind of conspiracy, but I'm pretty sure that Tom Cruise was wearing a wig. I'm just throwing that out here. Someone. Now, if I'm wrong, guess what? Come get me on social media and I'll put my people on it. But I would say that man was wearing a wedding. And I thought, you know what the subplot of this movie is? Is this guy. How long is this guy going to live to do this? Because we're all, I don't care how much money you got and how famous you are.

[Phil Robertson]

He could have some hair plugs and all that.

[Jase Robertson]

I've noticed he's had a little work done. Not a lot, but a little work done.

[Zach Dasher]

But I'm saying how that transformation is trying to happen without the spirit of God. And I got news for you, it ain't going to happen. It ain't gonna happen. One of these days, Tom Cruise wants to keep going.

[Jase Robertson]

He's gotta do like all the other old stars and just start looking old and doing old parts. Be somebody's grandpa.

[Zach Dasher]

No shame in that. No, it's Lisa.

[Jase Robertson]

Tell me. She said, do you want to. Do you want to do something like, do you want me to put this on your hair? I said, babe, we're. We're past all that. We're. What we got now is what we got. That's what we're going.

[Zach Dasher]

What I would appreciate more is like, yeah, I'll jump from a plane. I'll do my own stunt. You know why? Because I got the spirit of God. And if I die right here, of course, then someone would counter with the verse, don't put the Lord God to the test. And that debate would be better than just saying, we're going to do this forever. We're going to save the planet forever. I just don't believe you're going to be able to.

[Jase Robertson]

All right, so. So we'll let you decide on that. Let me give you the last point, Zach, because I thought this was probably one of the better ones from the text and because we're running out of time in from my sermon and how it relates over in this idea of crossover. And Jason, I love that verse. It's so good. But the last one was to show you there's always a. When you're reading the Old Testament, because you're reading in those Old Testament passages, but they're all pointing to something still to come. So God's always going to leave an open door. And the open door in Joshua 3 is that you have the Ark of the Covenant. But he tells the people, you can't get closer than a thousand yards to the Ark of the Covenant.

[Phil Robertson]

It.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, I love this point.

[Jase Robertson]

So you read. So you read that and you think a thousand yards. So you think, well, 10 football fields and still that didn't do.

[Zach Dasher]

So you were thinking that. You know what I was thinking?

[Jase Robertson]

What?

[Zach Dasher]

Wiggly down under. Oh, yeah, Supposedly could shoot.

[Jase Robertson]

I did think about shooting a thousand.

[Zach Dasher]

Yards, which made him kind of a big deal. That's quite the distance you made the illustration from where the church building. We were. There's a little daily sandwich place.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, Daily Press.

[Zach Dasher]

That's. That's a thousand yards away. You're like, if you showed up there to listen to my sermon. Sermon. You're probably not going to get it.

[Jase Robertson]

You're probably going to miss it unless you're watching it.

[Zach Dasher]

But I thought, well, if Quigley was shooting from that sandwich place to the church, you would think you were safe, you know, But.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, you know, so it's over half a mile. And so my point was that you. Even in the moment, they couldn't. The presence of God, even a facsimile of the presence of God, which is the Ark of the Covenant, you could not be with him. The distance was still too great.

[Zach Dasher]

It wouldn't matter if it was 100 miles, which I thought. And today everybody thinks God's a million miles away and he's literally in us. He says it hundreds of times in the New Testament.

[Jase Robertson]

That's right.

[Phil Robertson]

And what was behind that Holy of holies? It was the Ark of the Covenant. It was the presence of God. I think that is the whole picture of the tabernacle, the temple, all of it, is that the holy presence of God is not accessible because of the fall until fully. Until Jesus.

[Jase Robertson]

And my point was that my drop the mic moment, I felt like from me preaching the sermon was he didn't just close the gap, he eliminated the gap. And that's why he left the earth. I mean, the whole idea of the ascension. And it was really interesting because our worship leader, Perky that day made a point during his worship that I hadn't thought about. We were 50 days after Easter.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, I.

[Jase Robertson]

Which was the day of Pentecost.

[Zach Dasher]

He leaned over and said, what's he talking about? I was like, babe, the day of Pentecost, after we celebrate Easter, that's the most forgotten thing.

[Jase Robertson]

It is. Because that's when the Holy Spirit showed up.

[Zach Dasher]

I was wanting to raise my hand and pull aside and speak in your sermon, because John 20 shows you this transformation. To go back to my point about the anointing is done through suffering, and then he passes that on to us. He literally did that at the resurrection. You remember when Mary came and she grabbed a hold of him and he used that term, your Father, for the first time, like, you can now be children of God again. I'm birthing a new humanity, a new creation. This is what you should be making a movie about how God pull that off. So then they're all on the first day of the week, because now this is the first day of the new humanity. There is a new creation that has happened after the resurrection. He walks through the walls and says, shalom, you know, peace be with you. It's like. And even that word has more depth than I think we give it. We need to do a study on that. It's like your overall existence is all well. And you're saying, how can that be? He showed his hands and his side. And the disciples were overjoyed because they saw the Lord. And he's like, once again says, peace be with you. Your overall existence has been changed now. Because watch what he says. As the Father has sent me, I am sending you. I'm now passing this new life onto you. This is post resurrection. And when he breathed on them, where does that go back? We're going back to the garden here. He breathing life into them as a new creation. Receive the Holy Spirit. I mean, I just think that's absolutely, stunningly incredible. How close is God to you now?

[Jase Robertson]

Right?

[Zach Dasher]

Post resurrection of Jesus?

[Jase Robertson]

No, that's so powerful. And that's exactly perky. He waited till the very end. He was. He and I were the last two people there yesterday. And he said, dude, I brought that up, up. And I changed my Last song, because that impacted me. And I had no idea where you were going. And you went there in your sermon. Because he's thinking, how is he ever going to get to the Holy spirit in Joshua 3? But it's there. He's everywhere. That's the point.

[Zach Dasher]

But the confusion started because his first song was I Got a Mansion over the Hilltop or whatever. And I'm like, where's that way off out?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, he made the journey, too.

[Zach Dasher]

I'm like, we're housing the. The Holy Spirit of God. It's so weird. You preach these songs.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. The song needs to be I Am a Mansion over the Hilltop.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, there you go.

[Zach Dasher]

Come on. I mean, what we could change. I got a mansion over the hill. I've seen Mount Mansion slide off into the ocean. Well, I'm glad I wasn't in it. You know what I mean?

[Phil Robertson]

We, we, we. We are the house of God. But, you know, it's interesting. Is that you. So interesting you brought that Genesis 15 as kind of of the original prophecy of everything that happened in Exodus and what you mentioned in Joshua 3. And it ties directly into John 8, because in John 8, you got to remember that Jesus is having arguments with these Pharisees about their father Abraham.

[Zach Dasher]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

He says, what does he say? Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. And he saw it and was glad. And the Jews are like, you're 50. You're not even 50 years old. How have you seen Abraham? Abraham? Jesus said, truly, truly. I say to you before, Abraham was, I am. And I thought about that Genesis 15 verse when it says, after this, the word of Yahweh, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision. And then he gives him all of this. And if you go back and look at all the times that that phrase, the word of Yahweh, the word of the. The Lord has used in conversation with Abram and then Abraham. A lot of the early Jewish scholars believed that they would actually translate that, the logos of Yahweh, which is directly into John 1 when it says the word became flesh. In the beginning, it was the word Logos. The word was with God. The word was God. So Jesus actually is the one. The son of God is the one in the. In these passages with Abram and Abraham, who. He's having these conversations. And so he did see Yahweh. He did see the word of Yahweh, the word of the Lord in his day. And I think that's pretty valuable.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

And Hebrews 11, even says that. I mean, even when he was asked to pass the test, which was giving up his son, even though God had said all through. All through your offspring, all nations would be blessed. And it was that became a shadow of what Jesus would do in the resurrection. All right, we're out of time. We lost Al somewhere along.

[Phil Robertson]

Hey, where'd he go? He gone?

[Zach Dasher]

I don't know, but we're out of time. We'll see you next time on Unashamed.

[Jase Robertson]

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