Ep 1110 | Phil’s First Words After Jase’s Bloody Accident Were Not What You’d Expect

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family Episode: Ep 1110 | Phil’s First Words After Jase’s Bloody Accident Were Not What You’d Expect
Release Date: June 16, 2025
Host: Phil Robertson
Guests: Jase Robertson, Zach Dasher

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1. Recap and Personal Anecdotes ([01:01] - [06:14])

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted reflection on the previous podcast where Phil had to depart unexpectedly before the session concluded. Jase humorously suggests that Phil's early exit was a subconscious attempt to deflect accusations of narcissism. The hosts share a few laughs over past moments, including Phil’s infamous “snake story” that once led Zach to nearly gag during the recording.

2. Promoting the Faith, Family and Freedom Extravaganza ([06:14] - [08:17])

Jase and Zach introduce the upcoming Faith, Family and Freedom Extravaganza scheduled for June 29th at Logtown Estate. Phil emphasizes the event's dual focus on patriotism and the Gospel, highlighting activities such as baptisms, preaching, and Bible classes. Zach extends a special offer for listeners to book accommodations through their partner site, Helix Sleep, providing a discount code and a chance to win $500 for early sign-ups.

Notable Quote:

Phil Robertson ([06:38]): "Missy's done it for about three years. It's a lot. It's great because it's obviously patriotic, but it has a gospel center as well because we like to share Jesus."

3. Theological Deep Dive: The Divinity of Jesus ([08:20] - [35:54])

The core of the episode revolves around an in-depth discussion of the Gospel of John, specifically focusing on chapters 8 and 9. Phil leads the conversation by analyzing Jesus' statements about His unity with the Father, drawing connections to the Old Testament and the concept of the Trinity.

Key Points:

• Unity with the Father:
  Phil cites John 8:54 where Jesus declares, "I and the Father are one," underscoring His divine nature.

• Abraham's Revelation:
  The hosts explore Genesis 22 and its prophetic significance, relating Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice Isaac as a foreshadowing of Christ's atonement.

• John 9 - Addressing Sin and Suffering:
  They delve into the story of the man born blind, challenging the notion that suffering results directly from personal sin. This segues into a discussion on how Jesus counters prevalent theological misconceptions.

Notable Quotes:

Phil Robertson ([10:10]): "Your Father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day. He saw it and was glad, which is pretty amazing."

Jase Robertson ([14:05]): "You may be thinking, why? Why? Why is this the way that it works? Why? Why does the Father only share his glory with the Son, and then the Son shares his glory with us, with people?"

Zach introduces historical context by discussing the Targums and their interpretation of the Logos, further solidifying the argument for Jesus' eternal presence and divine essence.

4. Personal Story: Jase’s Near-Fatal Accident ([35:54] - [51:37])

Transitioning from theological discourse, Jase shares a harrowing account of his recent accident where his truck collided violently, resulting in severe injuries. He recounts his near-death experience, including visions of a familiar face and reuniting with his father in a life-threatening moment.

Key Themes:

• Faith Under Fire:
  Jase reflects on how the accident tested his faith and brought to light his family's tendency to assign blame during crises.

• Family Dynamics:
  The conversation touches on the Robertson family's inclination to find fault in unfortunate events, linking it to broader theological misunderstandings.

Notable Quote:

Jase Robertson ([50:24]): "I thought I didn't make it. I thought I went to hell."

5. Addressing Misconceptions About Suffering and Sin ([51:37] - [56:56])

Phil and Jase confront the common misconception that suffering, such as being born blind, is a direct result of personal or ancestral sin. They argue that such beliefs are misinterpretations of scripture and contribute to unnecessary blame and guilt.

Key Points:

• Debunking Sin-Based Suffering:
  They emphasize that not all suffering is punitive and that Jesus' actions in John 9 illustrate a different perspective on blindness and divine purpose.

• Call to Open-Mindedness:
  The hosts encourage listeners to approach biblical texts with an understanding centered on Jesus’ teachings, rather than preconceived notions of retribution.

Notable Quote:

Phil Robertson ([53:05]): "This is an extremely hyperbolic statement. What he's saying is hyperbolically, surely I had to be sinful in the womb."

6. Closing Thoughts and Assignments ([56:56] - End)

As the episode draws to a close, Phil assigns listeners to read the Book of Job to better understand ancient narratives of suffering and divine retribution. He underscores the importance of contextual biblical study rooted in Jesus' revelations.

Notable Quote:

Phil Robertson ([56:56]): "Here's your assignment before our next podcast. Go back and read the book of Job, 42 chapters. You'll see where this idea is."

The hosts wrap up by encouraging listeners to leave ratings and reviews, subscribe on YouTube, and stay tuned for the next episode.

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Key Takeaways:

• Unity and Divinity of Jesus:
  The discussion reinforces the Christian belief in Jesus' divine nature and His oneness with the Father, offering a profound theological perspective.

• Challenging Misconceptions:
  The Robertson Family actively challenges the notion that suffering is always a result of sin, advocating for a more compassionate and accurate understanding of biblical teachings.

• Personal Resilience Through Faith:
  Jase's account of his accident serves as a testament to enduring faith amidst life-threatening challenges, highlighting the interplay between personal experience and theological beliefs.

This episode provides a rich blend of personal stories, theological insights, and practical applications, making complex biblical concepts accessible and relatable to listeners.

Transcript

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. We Where I'm in studio. Jason. Been a minute.

[Jase Robertson]

And it was weird. Last podcast. You just left before it was over.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, we had to close it out without you, Al.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I think that was the first time that's ever happened. I don't.

[Zach Dasher]

Jace, you were the one that closed it out.

[Phil Robertson]

I wonder why I left so quickly.

[Jase Robertson]

I figured it had something to do with nature and the way that God designed our bodies.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. Some people loved it.

[Zach Dasher]

That people said it was the best clothes ever. The greatest clothes in history.

[Phil Robertson]

I didn't want to make it about me. I've been accused of being. Having narcissistic.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's really what I thought. I thought in an effort of your subconscious to be revealed, that you just would leave before it was over to show that you were not a narcissist.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, it was one of those situations. And then I was going to rush right back in and try to catch the last two minutes, but then there were some. Some issues with the bathroom. There were.

[Zach Dasher]

You know, let's just stop there. We don't need to stop there.

[Phil Robertson]

We won't go.

[Zach Dasher]

I will gag. I have been known to gag on.

[Phil Robertson]

One of my favorite moments on this podcast is when Jace got you to gag with the snake story. The.

[Jase Robertson]

I actually almost told that story during Phil's funeral because it was an epic story.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I think it was good that you didn't. I think that would have been.

[Phil Robertson]

You're gonna speak to some preaching school students coming up. Maybe you could throw that in there.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is kind of Shocking, you know, I mean, I did go to A Al. You were there two years. But I. It just was. It was a lot.

[Phil Robertson]

We were laughing because you were asked to speak to these students. And Zach assumed when he heard you say speaking to students that it was me. He said, when are you going out? I said, no, it's not me.

[Zach Dasher]

Because you're the preacher.

[Phil Robertson]

It's not the guy that preached for 25 years. He made it through one year of.

[Zach Dasher]

Internship, and he's speaking at the school that I graduated from. I sat in those Bible classes.

[Jase Robertson]

Can you imagine that, how that meeting went? Are you doing. You want to have a special speaker for preaching school students?

[Phil Robertson]

Who would we get? Who would we get?

[Jase Robertson]

I know. Let's get a guy who is pretty much a agenda less in the organized religion world. Did you say genderless agenda list?

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, I didn't. Agenda less. Okay.

[Jase Robertson]

With a man of your vocabulary, I thought you would get that one.

[Zach Dasher]

I didn't hear it.

[Jase Robertson]

No agenda?

[Zach Dasher]

No, it cut out of my ear. I was like, I know he didn't say that, but I was trying to clarify my ear. My earphones cut out.

[Jase Robertson]

I do.

[Zach Dasher]

They got the guy with no agenda.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what's funny is that, you know, I mean, he changed his cell phone provider because I kept hanging up on him. He thought his calls were dropping. But the other one he has at GU is every time I'll do my own static, you know, and I'll do the broke up speed. And he's like, hey, we're losing connection. I'll call you back. It's like I was faking the whole time. You're so gullible, Zach. I'll tell Missy. And she laughs. She's like, he never figured it out. I was like, he. No, not that he didn't do it. I do it all the time. I'm like, he's talking about something I don't want to talk about. Of a sudden, I'm like, I can't. What? Yeah. And Zach's like, I'll call you back.

[Phil Robertson]

Z, we're still playing tricks on you after all these.

[Zach Dasher]

I tell you, speaking of narcissism, somebody's got narcissist.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, we've been telling a lot of stories recently because someone on our production team had. Had asked about stories of our youth for some reason. And so I've been retelling a lot of stories and I was. We had. We were talking about wrestling recently and an episode of the show, because a lot of the old shows, Doug nasty shows, have been Going around the new show. And so that was one of my favorite episodes because we loved wrestling so much. And so we would like every Saturday night it would come like at 9 or 10 o' clock at night. It was fairly late and we would watch it and then we would put a quilt in the living room and then we would practice all the new things that we saw. Of course, you know, we were doing. We were doing it for real.

[Zach Dasher]

Power drives, ddt, all the moves, the.

[Phil Robertson]

Belly to backs, you know, the. All the moves. And we loved it. Whenever the cousins would come visit, Zach, this would be where you would enter the picture because then we got to practice our moves on you. And we would tag team like, you know us all our clothesline.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I've been a victim of the clothesline several times. I've been. Yeah, I got. I got ptsd. That's honestly being down there for the funeral and everything. It was like there was a lot of trauma that came back up just from being around all the cousins in that room. I was like, there's a lot of. A lot of pain here. A lot of pain. A lot of undealt with stuff. You know what I mean?

[Phil Robertson]

We're here for Zach.

[Jase Robertson]

It was volatile.

[Zach Dasher]

So look, we got the. Just to remind everybody I wanted to tell y' all this. So I'm. I'm going to come down. Jace. I think. I think I'm going to come down for the Faith, Family and Freedom extravaganza.

[Jase Robertson]

At.

[Zach Dasher]

Logtown Estate on June. What is it again?

[Phil Robertson]

June 29th. June 29th annual.

[Zach Dasher]

Third annual.

[Phil Robertson]

And you can get the information on logtownestate.com is the information for the event. Missy's done it for about three years. It's a lot. It's great because it's a. It's obviously patriotic, but it has a gospel center as well because we like to share Jesus.

[Zach Dasher]

People got people. I mean, y' all baptize people every year, too. Every year.

[Phil Robertson]

A lot of folks. It's a great time to do that wfr. I'll be preaching that day. And we have the unashamed Bible class as well. So. Zach, we're so glad you're going to try to make it.

[Zach Dasher]

And I will. Jason, say this is a shameless plug, but it's not because I actually looked on the H site. If you guys sign up for this, this is incredible.

[Jase Robertson]

The.

[Zach Dasher]

You can book like I'm going to give you the example, what I'm doing the Holiday Inn Express in West Monroe. If you book it on Expedia. For the, for the same period that I booked, it's going to be $417.64. If you book that same hotel on the Hill site, you sign up and book it there, it's $413 and you get an additional $58.85 cash back. So I'm telling you, if you're going to book, go download the H, go sign up for it. You guys will get incredible savings on hotels there. This is a pretty good thing that we're offering here, so I'd love for you guys to be a part of it. And we're giving away $500 to somebody who signs up within the next couple weeks.

[Phil Robertson]

That's faith, family, freedom, which is going to be a lot of fun. We have big fireworks show at the end that's now been moved to. Out of the middle. Out of the middle of the people.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. For everyone who survived the first year of that, we're grateful.

[Phil Robertson]

And I noticed that our brother in law, Tony has painted even one of his paintings of the. Of your estate with the fireworks behind it, which is really cool. So he'll be out there doing some stuff too.

[Jase Robertson]

It's good quality fun.

[Phil Robertson]

It's good stuff. So anyway, we'd love to see that. We can come on down to.

[Jase Robertson]

And it's free.

[Phil Robertson]

It's free.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. You show up.

[Phil Robertson]

There you go. So we ready to get back to John?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, we kind of.

[Phil Robertson]

The last podcast we did a detour because I had preached a sermon which, which kind of was birthed out of this idea of Abraham that, that the people brought up that Jesus was teaching in John chapter eight. And then we, we got to that last segment which we've talked about a couple of times, where Jesus sort of has that mic drop moment because they keep bringing up Abraham. But you gotta remember they're really. The volatility here is rising because they're ready to kill him now. I mean, you know, this is getting to a point where it's like, wait a minute, who do you think you are? In fact, we didn't mention this, I don't think before, but in, in John 8:48, they say, aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan? Which would have been a slur in their minds at the time because remember, Jesus was from Galilee, from Nazareth area. So they were like, wait a minute, you're not even one of us. And then they said, and demon possessed. So they like double down on Jesus. And then they say that again in verse 52. And they keep trying to make this claim that you can't be one with the Father, you can't be from Yahweh, you're not even one of us. And so that's where we're going with this situation. And then Jesus finally says in verse 54, if I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, Yahweh is the one who glorifies me, though you do not know Him. I know him, which is you. Think about that statement. That's bold. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him and keep his word. Your Father, Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day. He saw it and was glad, which is pretty amazing.

[Jase Robertson]

I wanted to just interject something. So you just read that. Look at this theme. I think we, when you the danger of going paragraph by paragraph, chapter by chapter, is you kind of miss the thread line of things that he continues to say, which becomes the problem in their ears. And I saw this and I wanted to bring it up. If you just put these verses together, just look at the consistency of what he's saying. So in John 5:19, he says, Jesus gave them this answer. I'll tell you the truth. The Son can do nothing by himself. He can do only what he sees his Father doing. Because whatever the Father does, the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement, he will show him even greater things than these. So he's making this claim that this Father whom you're serving God, Yahweh, I'm His Son. So he says it in 5, 19. Well, then look at 7, 16, he makes another profound statement along the same lines. Jesus answered, my teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. Well, who's him who sent me?

[Phil Robertson]

The Father.

[Jase Robertson]

Yes, my Father. So look at 8, 19, it's the same general theme.

[Phil Robertson]

He says they said, where is your Father?

[Jase Robertson]

Where's your Father? You do not know me or my Father. Jesus replied, if you knew me, you would know my Father also. But they asked, where's the Father? You do not know me or my Father. So he's assuming I'm in pretty good graces with him. If you knew me, you'd know my Father also.

[Phil Robertson]

And do you think, Jason, before you read the next one, that there's a little implication about his situation with Joseph and maybe the controversy around him? You think it has nothing to do with that? I mean, I always felt like there was because later on they say we're not illegitimate.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And they don't say like you, but, I mean, I'm just wondering if, like, the story of his background maybe comes into play.

[Jase Robertson]

He was. He had the wrong zip code.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

I like staying at Al's house.

[Phil Robertson]

It's your home away from home.

[Zach Dasher]

It's my home away from home. I know I'm going to sleep good tonight because I will be on a Helix mattress.

[Phil Robertson]

We are a Helix home. You are.

[Zach Dasher]

You guys took the quiz and what did you come back?

[Phil Robertson]

I was the moonlight.

[Zach Dasher]

The moonlight. And I think we took the quiz and that we were matched with the midnight luxe mattress, which means it's not too firm, not too soft, and it's perfect for us because Jill and I both are side sleepers. We've had our Helix mattress for a couple of years now, and it's been the best sleep we've ever had. We are all a Helix family. Me, Jill, Al, Lisa, Jace, Missy. Everybody's sleeping on Helix mattresses. And not only do I just sleep better, we in general on my Helix mattress, but I also noticed less hip pain, shoulder pain. One of the things that I miss most when I travel is my Helix mattress, which is why I love staying with you guys, because you got the same mattress that I got in one of your side rooms. I've actually tracked how much my sleep has improved on my sleep tracker, and I was shocked at how much better it's been since we've had our Helix mattress. For a limited time. Go to helixsleep.com unashamed for 27% off site wide exclusive for our listeners of Unashamed. That's helixsleep.com unashaged for 27% off sitewide. Helixsleep.com unashamed.

[Jase Robertson]

It'S like there's no way. Which is why they accused him or they're going to accuse him. In chapter nine, you know of being sinful. But the next one says, this is 8. 29. And this is interesting. When he says, so Jesus in 28, it says, so Jesus said, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that. That I am the one I claim to be. Which. What is he claiming? He's claiming to be in close proximity, the closest of the father and that I do nothing on my own but speak. Just what the father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him. I mean, I don't know how else he could say this. So even if we fast forward, which. The one you just read is in 8:54, but then even in 10:30, watch what he's going to say in 10, chapter 10 and verse 30, I mean, I and the Father are one.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. I mean, we're, we're pretty much straightforward now.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I mean, that kind of comes from. He says, my Father, who has given them to me in 1029, is. Is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, yeah, it's one. And that oneness is a one in essence, the One in nature, the One in being. This. I think this is like the. What a lot of people miss though, that what we're seeing here is the. This idea of God being triune unfolded. Because that thing that Jesus says in 8:54 is a pretty profound point if you really just start to simmer in that. Jesus's answer when he says, if I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me. So you see two persons in this concept of glorification. And what Jesus is saying is, I'm not here to draw glory to myself. That means nothing. God the Father glorifies me. And then if you skip over into John 17, who is Jesus glorifying? He's glorifying the Father.

[Jase Robertson]

I was getting to that one. 1721. I'll go ahead and read it because that was the last one I was going to read. 1721. Well, in 20 and 21 it says, My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one Father. Just as you are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

[Zach Dasher]

And in verse four, when Jesus is about to go to his death, he said, I've glorified you on earth. So Jesus is saying, I've glorified the Father on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I have with you before the world existed. And so there's these interesting phrases in the prophecies of Isaiah where the Father is speaking to the Son, and he's basically saying, you're the only person that I'm going to share my glory with. I'm not sharing my glory with anybody else but you, the Father kind of speaking to the Son and then the son. In John 17, it's interesting because he takes the glory that he receives from the Father, and then he shares that glory with us, which is incredible to think about, of God's glory almost being like an overflowing fountain, that we kind of get to participate in this divine nature. It's almost scary to even say that, but it does seem to be what the text is indicating. And I think what you're seeing here is the very nature of God. You're seeing a God who does share his love with his creation, which is. I mean, I even hate to say it because it. Because it sounds so scary to say that.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, think about what you both just said in relationship to how John started the book. In John 1:1, in the beginning was the Logos, the Word, and the Logos was with Yahweh, and the Logos was Yahweh. He was with Yahweh in the beginning, the Logos became flesh and made his dwelling among us. So here's your point, Zach. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only, the Logos, who came from the Father, Yahweh, full of grace and truth. So that's exactly how he starts the whole narrative.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. And so here's the. Here's the cool part about it. I love that Jason was hitting on this oneness idea. He said, why? Why? Why is this the way that it works? Why? Why does the Father only share his glory with the Son, and then the Son shares his glory with us, with people? Like, what is. What's the point? Why would you do that? Why would God do that? What is the end goal here? Here's verse 22 of John 17. The glory that you have given me, I have given to them. This is Jesus speaking. The glory that you've given to me, Father, I've given to them. Why? Why did I do that? That they may be one, even as we are one, I in them, and you in me. That they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you have loved me. I mean, that's the reason why. So when you read. And when Peter says that we become partakers in the divine nature, that's what he's talking about. That we actually get to participate in the triune nature of God. We get to participate in that and be a part of that and experience the fullness of who God is. Well, I say fullness. We get to experience it in measure, but like, we get to experience something so incredibly wonderful of diversity and unity being accomplished in ultimate, unadulterated relationship. And Intimacy. That's. That's what's at stake here. That's what this is, where this is going to.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I mean, what I was going to say is I think that's why people misunderstand John 14, which is in the middle of all this. Of course, I'm going down a rabbit hole now, but we just read all this. I and them. Them and us, you know, as we are one, they may be one. I mean, all this. Everybody's in each other here. I mean, it's close proximity. So when you read John 14, and he's like, do not let your hearts be troubled. You know, in my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, I would have told you, I'm going there to prepare a place for you. Which is. They're like, well, where are you going? Remember, they were having trouble wrapping their head.

[Phil Robertson]

They didn't want him to leave. Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Didn't understand why he would leave. But then he starts explaining it. He's like, well, unless I leave, I can't come to you. And you're like, what? Well, then he starts talking about the Holy Spirit. So then later on in chapter 14, he's like, if you love me and Trust me, verse 23 of my father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. So people are like, well, wait a minute. What is it? I thought you were going to the Father's house to make a room. And he's like, yeah, but when I do that, I'm going to come to you. You're like, wait, what? He's like, yeah, the Holy Spirit is going to come, and then my Father's going to come, and then we're going to all be one with you. Which he explains in John 17. That's why it's like, all of a sudden, everybody is with everybody. I'm talking about God, Father, the Holy spir. You. You're in us, we're in you. So.

[Phil Robertson]

And we're not waiting on the mansion. We become the house.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, exactly. And so I'm just saying the one Jesus is revealing the character of his Father.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And I think that's the reason I wanted to show this, because in this next chapter, it's. It's a strange occurrence that that is. Is what's happening. But all of a sudden, through something really bad, a guy being born blind.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

God reveals in Jesus his character in this situation. It's very moving, powerful, because it's the last person on earth that people notice.

[Phil Robertson]

No. And you're Right. And I think it's this idea of seeing. So let me read these last few and then let's get to chapter nine. So I said in the last verse in 56, this is 8, 56, your father Abraham rejoiced. Listen to this. At the thought of seeing. There's a big word for where we're headed, seeing my day. So think about this. He's talking about the man that they brought up, that lived, you know, how many years before Jesus in this moment where he's talking 2,000 years. So the same amount of time it's been since Jesus was here for us, 2,000 years. He was looking ahead to this day because we're fixing to talk a lot about blindness in the next chapter. Here was a guy. And we know this because of Genesis 22. There are several cases, Zach, in the last podcast, you and I both read from Genesis 15. But in Genesis 22, we know for a fact, because the Hebrew writer tells us that when Abraham was asked to kill his only son, the only heir that would be the promises of God. The Hebrew writer said, Abraham reasoned to the resurrection. How do you reason to the resurrection? Unless you see some possibility of something.

[Zach Dasher]

He had to have seen a prototype of Christ. Because if you read that whole. That's such a brilliant thing too, that you just brought up. Because when you see. And it has everything to do with, by the way, because the question you could ask is, when did Abraham see the day of Jesus? Because Jesus said he saw it. When did he see it? So that's one of the instances that he saw it. And what's interesting about that story is when they were going up the mountain for the sacrifice, two things happened that I thought were super interesting that aren't in the Hebrews Gives kind of the full picture of this, but you even see it in just the Hebrew Scriptures as well. When Abraham says, me and the child are going up to do a sacrifice and we will come back. Why would he say that if he's going to say he knows he's going to sacrifice Isaac? So why would he say we're going to come back? Like he had whatever he had reasoned in his mind, he had this reason of what God was going to do. Now, the second thing that happened is whenever Isaac asked his dad when they were on the way up that mountain, which this always makes me tear up when I think about it. Like, they're going up here to do this sacrifice and Abraham's going to sacrifice his own son, and Isaac doesn't know what's going on at all. He's like, hey, Dad, I see the wood for the sacrifice, but I don't see the sacrifice. And Abraham could have said, well, joke's on you, buddy. You're the sacrifice. But he doesn't say that. He says, the Lord will provide.

[Jase Robertson]

You guys know how much I love the chosen and the way it brings the gospel of Jesus to light and to life on the big screen. And season five is now currently streaming on Prime Video. The creator is a good friend of mine, Dallas Jenkins. He's a friend of the podcast. And the series has become quite the global phenomenon, which is a good thing. In the name of Jesus.

[Zach Dasher]

Come on, somebody. You are. Jason, you were at the season five premiere.

[Jase Robertson]

I was.

[Zach Dasher]

You've seen at the table set. The final hours are approaching. I guess the final hours are here because it's out on Prime Video. Now. What do you want our listeners to know about season five?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, even though I was sitting in the wrong seat when I saw the premiere, it was, you know, it's what Jesus does. You watch it, it gives pictures to it, and then you reflect on your life and you make necessary changes. And it was an emotional roller coaster. They did a fantastic job. You will love it.

[Zach Dasher]

I want you to listen to the description, guys, because if you didn't already want to watch season five, this will do it. Loyalties will be tested, pushed to the edge of faith and trust. Friendships will be questioned, challenged, and shaken by uncertainty and doubt. Alliances will be broken and families will be divided, and nothing will ever be the same again. So this is a journey of faith, doubt, hope, transformation, and love. Experience the incredible story of one unforgettable night that changed the course of history forever.

[Jase Robertson]

And.

[Zach Dasher]

And we all know this is a story so profound, it didn't just change lives, it actually changed the world. So I'll be watching the new season. You don't want to miss this one. Season 5 is now streaming on Prime Video. And so I thought about that, like if you were in that moment, Genesis 22, you think, what did Abraham do? Because God did not. He actually, when he got up there, he did not sacrifice Isaac, but he reasoned that he was going to. So he actually, and this is a prototype of the faith, too, that Abraham actually got it wrong. He did not understand what was going to happen up on top of that mountain. He didn't know how God was going to accomplish his will, but he knew that he was. He knew that God, when God makes a covenant, when God makes a promise, and when he says through your offspring, Isaac or Through Isaac, your offspring will be reckoned. This promise is going to happen through Isaac. And Abraham knew that that was true. And so whatever he thought, I'll go up there, I'll kill Isaac. But I know God's not a liar, so I guess he's going to raise Isaac from the dead. That's not what happened, but that's according to Hebrews, what Abraham thought. And I love that picture because it's a picture of how we should approach our own faith, is it's not knowing how God is going to accomplish his promise, it's knowing that God will accomplish his promise. And then what he did on that mountain was. You see the picture of a substitutionary atonement, that in the place of Isaac, you see the ram caught in the thicket that becomes the sacrifice in place of him. And so you see all of that picture there. Christ in his substitutionary atonement for the sin of humanity. You see that in the picture of Abraham and his son Isaac and the ram on top of that mountain.

[Phil Robertson]

So, Zach, someone asked the question, well, should I pray for the ultimate submission and do everything God has asked me to do, or should I pray for some sort of substitution? The answer is yes, yes, yes. I mean, I pray for the will of God to be done in my life. And that may. That means that I'm willing to say Jesus. So. So in verse 57, he says, they say, you're not 50 years old. Because, see, they're hung up on the. Wait a minute. This is 2,000 years ago and you've seen Abraham. I mean, there's. What a joke? He says, I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am back to the same statement at the burning bush. The recognition of the divinity of himself in this moment. And what is their response? They can't see him at this. They picked up stones to stone him because of blasphemy. But Jesus hid himself slipping away from the temple ground. So I think that's why he launches into this next story. I think it's why John.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and I think they translated that. I looked up the Greek on that.

[Phil Robertson]

It.

[Jase Robertson]

The word born is not in there. They just put. I guess because they were trying to get you to wrap your head around that. The reason I looked it up, because then the next verse says there was a man born blind.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I thought, oh, is that the same word now? They just. Yeah, the translators put that in there.

[Zach Dasher]

But where's that at John.

[Phil Robertson]

Before Abraham.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it just says, before Abraham was. Yeah, I am. Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Which is also Even bigger.

[Jase Robertson]

Bigger than our first thought. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was like before he was just in existence, which is what that word is. Before he. He was.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I am. Well, the way I kind of read that, too, is he's saying, I am the present tense in the past, I in the present tense in the future, I in the present tense now, like, I'm present.

[Jase Robertson]

So weird for human being because there's so many religious arguments about, you know, the nature of God. But you kind of get in this conversation. It's really hard to describe. It is what he just said.

[Phil Robertson]

It is.

[Jase Robertson]

It's like before he was, I am.

[Zach Dasher]

There is like a.

[Jase Robertson]

There is like, you have my attention, Zach, you said.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, it's like an elevation. Like, I'm speaking of myself without the boundaries of time.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, that's what he's doing. And I think, too.

[Jase Robertson]

Or really space.

[Zach Dasher]

You know, space or time. Yeah, either. Yeah, there's no. I mean, with him, he just is.

[Jase Robertson]

Throw in matter for that.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is why when I hear people make theological arguments where they're saying, well, God couldn't do this or God can't do that, and I always immediately think, so you're going to put yourself on the other side of time and space and decide what can and can't be done. Now, this ought to be an interesting point you're about to make, because the only time I say God can't do anything is something he says he can't do.

[Zach Dasher]

There's another thread here that I studied a while back, and I don't know if it applies to this text, but I think it does. So there's these people called Targums around the time of Jesus that would. They were like these guys that would take the Septuagint, which is the Old Testament, which was written in Hebrew, then it got translated into Greek. And so they would take the Greek and they would take this and interpret it and, like, teach it to the people in, I think, Aramaic. And so one of the things that, in the Old Testament, these are people like, these are not Christians. These are Jewish leaders that would teach people in the synagogues, I believe. And one of the problems that they had with the Hebrew language, when they would interpret it in the Greek, they would say, it seems to be that there's another person in the God, like the God. They thought it was, like, maybe two persons, and one of them they would call Yahweh, and the other one they would say was, like, the word of Yahweh. And they really tried to Deal with this in the scripture and you can read all about this in the history. It's really fascinating. So the word that they would use to translate as the word, word of Yahweh in Greek or Aramaic, the word was Logos, which is the same exact word at the beginning of the Gospel of John when it says that in the beginning was the Logos, the Logos was with God, the Logos was God. So it's almost like they would have understood this to say, hey, you know all of those Old Testament verses when it says the word of the Lord, which is translated the word of Yahweh, which they would have translated the Logos of Yahweh.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Guess what? He has a name. His name is Jesus. And so then you can go back and read in Genesis 15, Genesis. I mean, I've got a list of them right here. But you can read Genesis 15, you can read. We already mentioned Genesis 22. You can mention Genesis 18. So there's all these scriptures now where you would see that Jesus or the Son, at least the Logos of God is actually active throughout the entire Old Testament and did in fact meet and have encounters with Abraham on multiple occasions, which I think is what he's talking about here. When he says that Abraham did see Jesus and the day that he's in. That makes sense.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, I don't disagree with that whatsoever because before Abraham was, I am. I mean, it's quite the claim.

[Phil Robertson]

And I think this idea of being able to see that. And it's like we were talking about the idea of death. Because I didn't mention this back in verse 52 when they were just kind of railing on Jesus, say he was demon possessed, they say. And yet you say if someone keeps your word, he will never taste death. Then they said, are you greater than our father Abraham? He died. So do the prophets. Who do you think you are? But Jesus is making the point of what we've been talking about. When you cross over, you don't taste death like people do, without the heavenly crossover. In other words, it's different. And that's.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you experienced the same death that he did, which it was impossible for death to keep his hold on.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, when you're dead, what's the difference really, being dead three days or 30 years, as long as you come back.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Which if you believe in the I am. If you believe.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, how many times did he say I am in this chapter, Al?

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, it was 10 and just one chapter alone.

[Jase Robertson]

And he just said it here. I'm not seeking the glory for myself. But. But there's one who seeks it, and he is the judge, which we didn't talk about, but he's actually given judgment in that. He's shining the light on their thought processes, which is making them very uncomfortable, especially when he's calling them children of the devil. There's. There's another, bigger narrative that y' all are missing, which is you're following the ways of the Evil One who is confined to the earth, and if you're in cahoots with him, it's not going to end well for you. That was the implication, which is why you can't see.

[Phil Robertson]

So I think that's why that John includes this next story, which we'll go ahead and intro into this podcast and get into it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, because I think it starts off with a theological argument, which, I mean, I don't know why this is neglected so much in the religious world. I found very little on John nine people. It makes them uncomfortable because, look, I hate to say this, there's a lot.

[Phil Robertson]

Of people that believe, oh, they still believe this.

[Jase Robertson]

They still believe this. Which I was very uncomfortable for them. So I realize we'll probably offend somebody along the way, but make sure you have. You're on the right side of what Jesus is.

[Phil Robertson]

He really does debunk what a lot of people still believe.

[Jase Robertson]

Which people think that if you're born with certain conditions, that somehow another, there's some sin involved, either yours or somebody else's. And that is the question. But go ahead.

[Phil Robertson]

Zach, did you have something before we move on? Zach?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, before we moved on, I was just going to make the case that. Jase, you used a lot of language earlier about the oneness that Christ is pointing to in John 8.

[Jase Robertson]

With the Father.

[Zach Dasher]

With the Father.

[Jase Robertson]

I did that because I think when we get to John 14, people lose their minds. And he just said multiple occasions, we're one here. I know I'm a man. Because they were like, well, you're just a man. He's like, oh, no. Oh, no. He has said. I mean, I gave you what, eight examples of him basically saying, me and the Father are one. I am the human expression of the God of the universe.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Dasher]

So don't make another bill payment until you talk with a Done With Debt strategist. It's free. Visit donewithdb.com that's DoneWithDeb. I think that oneness, another way of seeing that too is nearness. And it's the idea of being present. It's the idea of the language of I am. That's a present tense language. But it's also that God is with he's here. You said, you mentioned the verse that he'll make us home with us. So the all the language here of what this is pointing to and the case that Jesus is ultimately unfolding in the book of John is that he is going to be with his people. He is going to come near. Al, you mentioned the Holy Spirit coming to indwell us and all that. The ascension in the last podcast you talked about, all of that plays into this. And so I don't think it's just a weird coincidence that the place that Jesus is saying this is in the temple. Like that's the whole he says all this in the temple. So that last little verse when it says they picked up verse 59, so they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. The reason why he's saying this in the temple is because the temple is the centerpiece of the whole discussion. And that matters to the kingdom. Because as Jesus ministry unfolds, you're going to see he continues to come back to the temple. He continues to talk about the temple. He continues to interact with the temple. Because that temple structure that they put their hope in is not the real end temple of what God is accomplishing. We've said it again and again on this podcast. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit now, which means God lives in us, the ultimate presence. So that's that oneness. How can you be more one with God than the fact that God comes to live in us. To your John 14 passage, I mean, that's the whole point of the coming of the Holy Spirit. You can't get closer than that.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that was exactly what I was trying to say, because even in the John 14 passage, I was going to make the point that everyone knows this part of the verse where Jesus answered in verse six after he said, the in my Father's house are many. Everyone knows when he says, I am the way, the truth, and the life. But the next part was the next part. He then says, no one comes to the Father except through me. Yeah. So he's basically saying, there's a God and you're looking at him. Yeah, because then he says, if you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. So then he says, from now on, you do know him and have seen him. That's what he's saying. There's a God and you're looking at him in human form, we're the same. We're one.

[Phil Robertson]

And I made that point in a previous podcast that all the world religions recognize some sort of higher power, but how you get to that higher power is what separates the.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well, it makes you think to golf. My first. Earlier I said, number one, Jesus reveals the character of God, obviously. But number two, he changes the way you're to study this Bible because it flows through Jesus. I mean, he's like, you're looking at the God of the universe, which is.

[Phil Robertson]

Why I preached a sermon on Joshua 3 and I saw Jesus all over it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, exactly. I mean, if you detach that you're going to get into, which is the lead into John 9, you get into a lot of arguments that I. I don't think you're using the proper. I think your word for that would be hermeneutic. How to study the Bible, which kind of goes back to that John 5. He's like, you're studying these scriptures and you think by them you'll. You'll receive eternal life. Yeah, every religious person believes that. Then he's like saying, that's a bad thing. He's like, yet you refuse to.

[Zach Dasher]

Harmonic's wrong.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. He's like, you refuse to come to me and have eternal life. So I always cringe when people say that. You know, they're like, hey, the Bible, you know, is the inherent word of God and we got to figure it all out, you know, And I'm waiting for the Jesus part. I'm like, because of John 5, right? I'm like, that has to be there. Because that's what he said. There's a different way to study the scriptures. That's John 5. It will forever be there. I'm not sure what people do that do with that.

[Phil Robertson]

It's very powerful. So before I read the text, this is the furry verse, very first verse says as he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. So I did a little bit of a. One of Jason's rabbit holes because I thought blindness, what. What causes blindness. So I just, you know, googled or searched for what are the leading causes of blindness because that you have a blind aunt, is that not.

[Zach Dasher]

I do, yeah. She's fully blind.

[Phil Robertson]

On your dad was she born?

[Zach Dasher]

She was.

[Phil Robertson]

Okay, she was. So you actually have someone in your family that's experienced this. And so I looked this up. I found this fascinating for a couple of reasons. One, so cataracts are the number one leading cause of blindness. And which is a clouding of the eye lens worsens over time and it has to be removed. That's over half of all blindness is caused by cataracts, usually in older people, but some can be born with it. Second was glaucoma, which is an optic nerve damage from rising pressure in the eyes called the sneak peak thief of sight. Which I thought was interesting, Jace, because typically people who get glaucoma don't know they have it until it's too late and then, then they got problems. The other one is age related macular degeneration, which is a long definition, but when you hear age related lets you know it's because you get older. Right. And then there's a couple that are mostly in children that we would call lazy eye or cross eyed. And this a lack of coordination between your brain and your eye. The last one was called diabetic retinopathy, which is related to your blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol. So I thought it was interesting out of six, seven different causes of blindness around the world, none of them are anything that you had anything to do with.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

You know what I'm saying? You just, you got it, you had it, it developed, you got older. Only one that you could be somewhat linked to is you had a played a part in, was the diabetic part because you had, you know, you maybe do things to drive up your blood pressure, whatever. So out of this theory, I mean that comes out of this teaching, which is you, you somehow your actions determine this.

[Jase Robertson]

And that was the question. Which. Which look runs deep in our family.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Because if anything Happened bad. I mean my dad been in the ground for two weeks. But up until two weeks ago, if anything happens that was bad, the first thing my dad would do before anything, before you literally get the vitals of a loved family member, we got to figure out why this happened.

[Phil Robertson]

Why did it happen, why were you.

[Jase Robertson]

The blame must be assessed.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I went to Greece with a One Kingdom trip.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

I told this story many times. I had a wreck. My truck spun eight times. I mean a vehicle carrying a one ton trailer load full of something, I mean hit me t boned going 55 or 60 miles. Yeah. And I spent eight times, didn't have my seatbelt on. Interesting enough. And slam into a light pole and literally just the, the, the truck became a tin can and I had a, I had a few injuries but overall considering what happened, no broken bones, you know.

[Phil Robertson]

Well even before that, Jay's the as fate would have was because you were, you went to the school of preaching. We were in school of preaching at.

[Jase Robertson]

The time and I had just bought brand new tires. I literally came from the Tire place.

[Phil Robertson]

And you went that day. Normally, Jason and I would ride together every day to school, but had to get some tires. And I would drive and Jason was in the passenger seat. But I was sick that day and didn't go to school. I don't know if you remember that part.

[Jase Robertson]

I don't know that.

[Phil Robertson]

So you were driving and went to get the tires. But if it had been a normal day, then you would have been killed on impact.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

Because it would have hit your side of the truck. Because I always drove the truck.

[Jase Robertson]

And so, you know, I've told the story before. I thought I didn't make it. I thought I went to hell. Because when I woke up, Jace literally bounced.

[Phil Robertson]

He doesn't remember this, but a witness saw him. He bounced from one side to the other, Went out halfway out the passenger window and back in.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I went outside the truck and waved, came back in. So I'm unconscious.

[Phil Robertson]

Hey.

[Jase Robertson]

I come to and there's a face that the way the light was. And I guess in my current condition, you know, I was seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, which.

[Phil Robertson]

Was a good sign.

[Jase Robertson]

There was a guy who we had baptized years before who had either. It didn't take or fell away. I knew that. And he was the first face I saw. And I thought, oh, no, I didn't make it. So I thought that. I apologized to him later, but it was a catalyst to him getting back right with the Lord. So there was a happy ending there. So then I went back out. And so then I came to again, and my dad was standing over me, and there was an ambulance behind him. And he said, here was his words. Why would a man pull out in front of a vehicle on a major highway.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And think that was a good idea.

[Phil Robertson]

As your eyes are rolling around in your head.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

Did you have. What was your answer?

[Jase Robertson]

I said, I think you better get me in that ambulance. There was blood everywhere.

[Phil Robertson]

And I'll say this about. About our. Our crossed over dad. The more frightened he was by the situation, the more blame the assessment came. Because he was frightened. He did. He just. In the moment, it scared him so bad.

[Jase Robertson]

It was like, why would you bring all this pain and misery on yourself? You made a mistake. Obviously, I made a mistake somewhere along the line, but it just wasn't the right appropriate time to be breaking down. What caused this? But every time I read this story, I think about that story because I thought his disciples, they came by as he went along. He saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him which is just, it's just not appropriate. Let's help him. What about this guy? You came to save the world.

[Phil Robertson]

Look at that poor guy.

[Jase Robertson]

Look at that poor guy. This is terrible. It's a philosophical question.

[Zach Dasher]

This helps me.

[Jase Robertson]

Who sinned? Who sinned? I mean they bring up sin. That this man or his parents, that he was born blind.

[Zach Dasher]

I just think, as you were saying that I'm thinking like that story about Phil isn't that part of our family dynamic is the first thing you do is to assess blame.

[Phil Robertson]

I have to fight it to this.

[Jase Robertson]

Day against me too. But I have been brainwashed as a child that that is what you do.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean we are. It is like that. I mean like, it's like the, if somebody gets sick, then the first. Then you got to find who was patient zero. Like find out who that person is. But no but it is a little.

[Phil Robertson]

Bit of an insulation thing. And it was with dad because I don't want to feel anything. So the first, if we assess blame, then I can all of a sudden say, well, let's get some help to the situation.

[Jase Robertson]

But I think it's some kind of weird excuse. I told you I was going to make religious people mad. This look, it's the same thing David did I believe in. Was it Psalm 51? He had, he just had an affair. He killed a guy. He's then praying to God. That's inspired by, you know, his words. And he, he drops a line in that feeds what I think is a wrong view of this situation. He says, surely I was sinful at birth. I mean he's so distraught that he has committed these sins and he's praying to God.

[Phil Robertson]

It's an extremely hyperbolic statement. What he's saying is hyperbolically, surely I had to be sinful in the womb.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm so bad, somebody somewhere, somebody's got even came out caused this. And I read that thinking he's so distraught that he's like, I agree. How can I be that bad? I mean, how could I have done. Well, I must have been sinful at birth. And so somebody reads John 9, they read Psalm 51 and say, yeah, yeah, there's something I think because we want.

[Zach Dasher]

To, we want to blame people, we want to do that. I mean, other than.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean and I, and I, and I, I said our family does that. And, and you guys are really good at teaching others to do that. When we stayed at your house al your, I guess your grandson in law, the, the water went out. Like the water just went out of your house because there was some kind of like leak with the, with the sprinkler.

[Phil Robertson]

It was a link in the, A leak in the sprinkler system.

[Zach Dasher]

But I'm telling you for about an hour, it was the, the whole focus on what did my kids do to. They tore something up. And your. Your grandson in law neither. I was like, man, it didn't take long.

[Phil Robertson]

Was, hey, the Dashers are at your house and guess what? Now there's no water. That was the way it was presented to me.

[Zach Dasher]

It's our fault.

[Jase Robertson]

We did.

[Phil Robertson]

In other words, you've let these people stay here and now you have no water. So there deal with that.

[Zach Dasher]

And then you couple that with Jason's accusation of what they did at his house with the trash and the pool and all that.

[Jase Robertson]

My wife, because I have a washout problem and I'm having to build a retaining wall so my whole backyard doesn't slide off into the lake. To the lake. Yeah. Because Willie convinced me to buy that house. And my first, my first question was I said, I'm not much on buying a house at the bottom of a hill. I mean, I was thinking the don't build your house upon the sandy land.

[Phil Robertson]

And if dad had been there during that conversation, he said, why would a man buy a house at the bottom of a hill?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, let me sing the second stanza of that verse. Or too near the shore. It might be kind of nice, but you might have to build it twice. You better build your house upon that. So but I did it and guess house and the yard is literally washing off into the pond.

[Phil Robertson]

Jesus was right, by the way.

[Jase Robertson]

And so I'm like, we might ought to, you know, get a retaining wall, because this wall is. But I thought it was interesting that Missy somehow worked your kids into the current problem because they were the last people in the backyard. Because we noticed a big hole by the wall as we're, you know, have the workers putting the retainer wall. They're like, it's already started washing out. And she's like, well, those doggone kids of the Dashers were here because she was thinking they got a water hose and tried to help.

[Phil Robertson]

Your name now has become a verb. Oh, you've been Dasher.

[Zach Dasher]

That's why, honestly, Jill said, hey, we go get a hotel, get an Airbnb.

[Phil Robertson]

You can't do it because if you don't come stay with us, we don't have stories to tell on the podcast.

[Jase Robertson]

I know we're out of time, but I just want to say that he. The reason I think this story is in this place is because he, he just went meta narrative with, with, with the group that he was just having an argument with. And that because they were trying to kill him, right? And he was like, your father's the devil. And I think he starts looking at these big pictures and this is one of them. So we I hope you'll bring an open mind here because Jesus, obviously, his response is he didn't really answer the question the way they wanted it. Just please tell us who sinned here. And he said this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life, which I think is the whole key to understanding.

[Phil Robertson]

And so let me give you understand those of you that keep up with us and come all the way through. Here's your assignment before our next podcast. Go back and read the book of job, 42 chapters. Probably take you about 30, 40 minutes, maybe an hour to read it. And you'll see where this idea is. A very ancient book with this ancient narrative of divine retribution. That's what it's called, is all throughout that book. So read Job and then that'll set you up when we get back to this discussion on the next podcast. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.