Ep 1111 | Miss Kay’s Health Comeback

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Episode 1111 | Miss Kay’s Health Comeback

Host/Authors: Phil Robertson, Al Robertson, Jase Robertson, Zach Dasher, and special guests
Release Date: June 18, 2025
Location: West Monroe, Louisiana
Episode Title: Miss Kay’s Health Comeback

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1. Introduction

In Episode 1111 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, hosts Phil, Al, Jase, and Zach Dasher delve into a blend of personal anecdotes, family updates, and deep theological discussions. The episode begins with light-hearted conversations about frog hunting before transitioning into profound explorations of biblical passages and their implications for modern faith.

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2. Personal Stories: Frog Hunting and Family Updates

Frog Hunting Anecdotes
Jase Robertson shares his recent frog hunting experience, highlighting the challenges and humorous moments that come with the newly established frog season. He recounts teaching young kids how to frog hunt, emphasizing the transformational impact such activities can have on their faith and character.

• Jase Robertson [03:05]:
  “Frog hunting is a contact sport. Did we get some frogs? It was one of the most...”

• Jase Robertson [09:02]:
  “So that's what you have for lunch today? Well, it's kind of a mid... frog leg brunch now.”

Miss Kay’s Health Comeback
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to updating listeners on Miss Kay's health. Phil Robertson shares uplifting news about her remarkable recovery, describing her newfound strength and vitality.

• Phil Robertson [15:35]:
  “She’s been walking up the steps to my house. She’s doing things I didn’t know that she would do.”

• Phil Robertson [16:40]:
  “She's 94 years old. Well, and we've talked to her before. She's a wonder.”

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3. Theological Discussions: Exploring Psalm 82 and John 10

Divine Council and Celestial Beings
The hosts delve into Psalm 82, discussing the concept of the divine council—a celestial family created by God with specific roles. They explore how Jesus’ reference to Psalm 82 in John 10 ties into the broader narrative of heaven and earth’s interconnectedness.

• Jase Robertson [07:38]:
  “We’re saying we're Abraham's descendants. And he's like, before Abraham was. I am. It's like, that was my plan.”

• Zach Dasher [19:22]:
  “In his world and the apologetic world, they deem a phrase called the divine council.”

Purpose of Suffering and Sin
The conversation shifts to the purpose of suffering, emphasizing that Jesus’ suffering was not merely for the redemption of sins but also to defeat opposing spiritual forces. They discuss how suffering is an integral part of displaying God’s work in believers' lives.

• Jase Robertson [28:03]:
  “All sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But be careful in not distinguishing what that means.”

• Phil Robertson [50:06]:
  “We're not God and we can’t be Him. And he doesn't need us to be Him. He needs us to trust him and to listen to Him.”

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4. "The Chosen" Season Five: Bringing the Gospel to Life

The hosts express their admiration for the TV series The Chosen, particularly Season Five, which is now streaming on Prime Video. They discuss how the show effectively portrays Jesus through the perspectives of those around Him, deepening viewers' understanding of His life and ministry.

• Phil Robertson [36:41]:
  “Tell us about your experiences with Season Five.”

• Jase Robertson [37:17]:
  “It really allows you to think about Jesus and they take their artistic impression of it, which allows you to think...”

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5. Suffering and Faith: An Intimate Relationship with God

The conversation emphasizes the intimate relationship believers are called to have with Christ, likening it to marriage—requiring submission and alignment of wills. They discuss how true faith involves integrating God into every aspect of life, overcoming challenges, and trusting in His purpose.

• Zach Dasher [38:33]:
  “It's like your mom's connection with Phil, where it's like, 'I'm not me without him.'”

• Phil Robertson [39:50]:
  “We know marriage is not easy. It's hard. It's like there's a lot of opposing things that happen.”

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6. Addressing Common Misconceptions About Sin and Suffering

The hosts tackle prevalent misconceptions such as the idea of being "born into sin." They clarify that while humans have a sinful nature, being born is a part of God's plan to display His work through individuals. They reference scriptures like Hebrews 2 and the Book of Job to support their interpretations.

• Jase Robertson [52:35]:
  “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But be careful in not distinguishing what that means.”

• Phil Robertson [55:43]:
  “Same word. Yeah.”

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7. Conclusion and Teasers for Future Episodes

As the episode wraps up, the hosts hint at future discussions exploring deeper theological concepts rooted in biblical texts. They encourage listeners to continue their journey of faith, emphasizing the importance of understanding and aligning with God's purpose.

• Jase Robertson [56:07]:
  “If you're having trouble with this, he's...”

• Phil Robertson [58:42]:
  “Be noted it is, and it's a good place for us to pick up next time we come back.”

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Notable Quotes

• Phil Robertson [01:06]:
  “Welcome back to Unashamed.”

• Jase Robertson [04:42]:
  “I think that's my role at this stage of my life.”

• Zach Dasher [19:22]:
  “They deem a phrase called the divine council.”

• Phil Robertson [26:07]:
  “First, the reason I'm bringing this up because then once you kind of go down this road about the gods...”

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Key Takeaways

• Faith in Action: Personal stories like frog hunting illustrate how faith permeates everyday activities and can transform both individuals and communities.

• Deep Theological Insights: Exploring scriptures such as Psalm 82 and John 10 enhances understanding of divine purposes and the nature of celestial beings.

• Family and Community Support: Updates on family health underscore the importance of community and familial bonds in the faith journey.

• Media and Ministry: Engaging with media like The Chosen can effectively convey theological truths and inspire greater faith among viewers.

• Understanding Suffering: Suffering is portrayed not just as a consequence of sin but as a means through which God's work is displayed and believers grow in their relationship with Him.

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This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family masterfully intertwines personal narratives with profound theological discussions, offering listeners both relatability and spiritual enrichment. Whether you're a new believer or a longtime follower of Jesus, this episode provides valuable insights into living an unashamed Christian life.

Transcript

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[Jase Robertson]

What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. Zach, you have literally flown in to be with us today.

[Jase Robertson]

Did you fly in today?

[Zach Dasher]

I did. I flew in, landed at 12 just.

[Phil Robertson]

A two hours ago. He was. You were 35,000ft.

[Jase Robertson]

I was sort of set the time right. Because usually we do a couple of podcasts a couple times a week, but we do them in the morning.

[Phil Robertson]

In the morning.

[Jase Robertson]

But this. Y' all didn't know that. Now. Now I realize if you look, if you don't think God is working in all this, because last night I had my first frog hunt of the year.

[Phil Robertson]

Really?

[Jase Robertson]

June, you know, two or three years ago, the powers that be decided to put a frog season into play, which I was.

[Phil Robertson]

Why would you really need a season? There's not very many people. Frog.

[Zach Dasher]

They got to control it. Somebody's got. Somebody's got to control it.

[Phil Robertson]

I mean, frogs are frogs. I mean, they're.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. In the spirit of Phil, I'm sure there was a meeting that took place somewhere. You know, he never liked me, so.

[Zach Dasher]

There was never a frog season until two years ago.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, there's a natural frog.

[Phil Robertson]

There's a natural season. It's like crawfish, you know, you know, when they're going to be catchable.

[Jase Robertson]

But. Oh, no, no, they.

[Zach Dasher]

They gotta have a rule.

[Jase Robertson]

They got involved the 14 people that in the US that are actually catching frog.

[Phil Robertson]

But it is a state thing. It wouldn't be.

[Zach Dasher]

It's not. They're not a migratory animals.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm sure that it was. Probably every state has assimilated this rule. So they basically don't want you to catch them when they're spawning.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is in our state would be April, May.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So I have gone a couple times at the end of March on warm, you know, because you have a couple days there when they're coming out. But so it actually worked out because I needed to recover, you know, the older I get. Frog hunting is a. Is a contact sport.

[Zach Dasher]

Did you get some frogs?

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, did we. It was. It was one of the most.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm sad. I'm leaving town. That was another good reason to come to town. You need to invite yourself to that.

[Zach Dasher]

I want to get on the frog leg eating.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I hate to tell you this. The ones that I siphoned into my little ice chest as I was party deep into the morning there, they have already been ingested. That's why, look today.

[Phil Robertson]

So that's what you have for lunch today?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's kind of a mid. Yeah, yeah. Brunch, you know, I'm on the frog leg brunch now.

[Zach Dasher]

That's got frog legs. I wonder what would you do in a scenario? Because at church on Sunday, we were going through. We're going to do the book of Exodus. What would you do if the frog plague hit?

[Jase Robertson]

We actually talked about that last night because somebody asked me a biblical question. I did not know the answer because we were. We had a bunch of kids and it was for some reason. I mean, look, we'll just say this because, you know, our dad died and all of a sudden you're thinking more about, you know, the legacy he left. And you know, I got asked to go and let's teach some little kids how to frog hunt, which was a different role for me, you know, and. But I did it and it turned out to be fantastic. And I mean, you saw the whole gamut, the te. The fears that then all of a sudden, hey, this looks kind of fun. And then having the courage because some of these kids were small and it just. It was like a transformational process. And weirdly enough, I was the only.

[Phil Robertson]

I never knew. It's a new thing.

[Jase Robertson]

I think that's my role at this stage of my life. But in the spirit of Phil, you know, he used to. He just couldn't. He couldn't wait till lunch. We'd go catch the frogs, you know, and it's like, how many mid morning.

[Phil Robertson]

Catfish Edens have we.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, gosh, this is so fun. You know, And Missy just watched the whole process. She didn't like it because I fried the frogs and I'm like, it's the first frogs of the year. I must do this. But because you can do. There's a Cajun recipe where you kind of saute them in butter, you soak them in lemon juice, you know, and they're good, but it takes too much time.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, it's a long time.

[Jase Robertson]

I was just more going for. I had six frogs that I. That I siphoned and I sat right there and ate every one of them this morning. And so I wanted to say froggy. I'm feeling a bit froggy. But to get back to the plagues, I guess they said, which plague was it? And I guessed it's six, which they all said I was wrong. They said it was five. I never actually looked it up.

[Zach Dasher]

You never verified crack.

[Jase Robertson]

Steph can get on that. Which plague? What number was the frogs?

[Zach Dasher]

I shouldn't.

[Phil Robertson]

Flag of frogs. There it is. Exodus 8.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, we need to know what number. So you'll probably have to find that.

[Phil Robertson]

I could probably do it from the back in.

[Jase Robertson]

But to answer your question, I just always seemed like that was out of place because I thought, you know, there's different kinds of fraud. It was two. Well, they were wrong, too. What were they doing? Rebuking.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, it's the second. Yeah. The plague of blood and the plague of frogs. Because it. Remember, it was the one that could be reproduced. The. The blood and the frogs. The magicians reproduced it. But when they.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, how did they reproduce that with the frog?

[Phil Robertson]

I think it. It.

[Jase Robertson]

And you know what they did? They found a bunch of people like me. They went and caught them and then they.

[Zach Dasher]

I think they had some kind of demonic power. I think they were tapped into something.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, we're going to get into that when we get to John 10, but I've been studying some weird stuff that we'll get into in John 10 because Jesus quotes Psalm 82, which I didn't know Psalm 82 is like in the religious world, it's like a battleground for all kinds of thoughts. But we'll get to that. But it would be a good.

[Phil Robertson]

Jason dropping the teasers today.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I'm saying to jump ahead before we get there so you're not completely blindsided, like, which plague was the frogs? Which, you know what I gave them a lesson on when they asked me that, and I didn't know the answer. And maybe it was pride, I don't know, but I kind of think maybe not. I said, don't get consumed with the order of the plague. Get the point. Which is my whole point about the Bible Itself any filtering system that does not include Jesus at the center of it, which was the plan all along. It. It's a faulty system, you know, so I was like, I'm really. I know it was a plague.

[Phil Robertson]

Didn't you tell say at one time because you had looked this up, that they were like bullfrog, like our kind of fraud, that it wasn't like toads, right? It was.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I, I'm. I looked it up. I can't remember.

[Phil Robertson]

I remember at one time on the podcast we talked about this years ago that it wasn't like in my mind, it's like thinking a bunch of toads.

[Jase Robertson]

Whatever rabbit hole went down. I concluded that they were edible frogs.

[Zach Dasher]

Was for you, Jason, have been the only guy in Egypt that did not receive that as a plague.

[Jase Robertson]

My first.

[Phil Robertson]

Thank you, Lord.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's what they are. They're. I keep dropping that Leviticus 17:11 because. Because they, he, he turned it around on them. They thought, oh, we're giving our animals up as a sacrifice because we make mistakes. And he's like, no, those are gifts from me. And it puts everything to me in perspective because Jesus ultimately is the gift of God, but so are the animals that we're supposed to lord over, which is why we now have a frog.

[Phil Robertson]

That have been much worse with the gnats. Because now that just a bad idea.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's me. I mean, these gnats are a problem, but my first reaction to the frogs would have been grab a toe sack.

[Zach Dasher]

And some peanut oil.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I mean, ready to fry. It's happening. The frog problem.

[Phil Robertson]

They are delicious.

[Jase Robertson]

But I mean, look, it's been a.

[Phil Robertson]

While since I've had a wild caught one though. There's places that sell them, but they're not near as the farm race.

[Zach Dasher]

We don't do. We don't do frog legs anymore. I probably would try though.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, one of the little kids, he. He was, you know, scared to touch the frog. And I was like, it was just embarrassing. I mean, the yuppiness of some of that crew I was with last night was disturbing. And I said, let me guess, there's been a lot of tantrums up to this point. I was like, because you waited too. I mean, it's good that you brought your young son out here, but you waited too late. That's why you've had so much trouble. But so what I did was I was trying to get him to touch foe wouldn't touch it. I was like, what if I kiss this frog? Because he had watched enough you know, Hollywood movies, kiss.

[Zach Dasher]

The frog turned into a prince.

[Jase Robertson]

And he was just horrified at the thought. So I like, I. I kissed a frog last night. But when I did that, it turned him into a prince because then all of a sudden he started petting the frog. He was like, I mean, if Jace will kiss him, must be all right. And look, fast forward a couple hours. That little kid's on the front of the boat saying, let's go.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Ready? Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

So you saw the immediate power of being out what God created.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

It's like this is what we're supposed to do as humans. We're in charge of this.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So it's a gift. Yeah. It was a wonderful, wonderful night. But there was a recovery time that was needed. I do want to say this because we actually had a. At a frog hunting scene in our duck family treasure show.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And we. We hunted the frogs in downtown Yuppievale, right at the foot of the college. There's a little stream there by you to zero. And I'm guessing it's legal to hunt there, but we did.

[Zach Dasher]

Has that aired yet?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that one has already aired and nobody said any. We had permission, so I guess the powers that be. But I wanted to say that season four is out. So it came out Sunday the 15th.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. This past weekend.

[Jase Robertson]

Fifteen. Yeah. It's June, this frog season. So. And there's five new episodes out. So I think it's the first half of season four. Oh, they're good. They're. I've said many times, I think it's the best show. Very few people have watched.

[Phil Robertson]

They're going to get it at some point. But if. Yeah, check it out because it's on Fox Nation.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And you're not late to the party because I think they're dropping one a week. They're. They're going that.

[Zach Dasher]

So you can binge watch a couple, which is what I like to do. I like to save them up and watch. I like to binge watch stuff. I won't watch TV for a while, then I'll get on something.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, then Willie and I, he came by the other night. Mom is. Is staying in our compound. We have multiple compounds and our compound is within the bigger compound. And mom is. Is there with us. And so she's been coming over. She is doing amazing, by the way. She's had a huge bounce back physically.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

Evidently out in. What did Phil used to call the Internet?

[Zach Dasher]

Computer Land.

[Jase Robertson]

Computer Land. There's some false fake news.

[Phil Robertson]

There's been a lot of fake news.

[Jase Robertson]

About mine because a lot of my friends have sent me texts, according to. Sorry to hear about your mom. You know, I understand, you know, there. And I'm like, no, she. We just ate supper. She's doing really good. So.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, what happened? Willie came over and we were talking about the new show, his show. And we were talking about how now television is so different. It's hard to, you know, like, people are still looking at the old ways with the ratings and overnights and all this stuff. But people don't watch TV like that anymore. They don't. They. It's hard for them to find networks.

[Jase Robertson]

So we can have Yuppieville.

[Phil Robertson]

That.

[Jase Robertson]

That's been my whole row in their show. I'm not just. I'm not supposed to divulge secrets, but I think you can pretty much figure out if I'm I'm involved. I am the d. Yuppifying aspect of.

[Phil Robertson]

The show, which is a theme that runs through it, which is good.

[Jase Robertson]

Gee whiz.

[Phil Robertson]

So Willie was over there and he said, well, he said, well, this whole thing with mom, it was my fault. I did it. I started it because I was like, well, I've read things that you supposedly said. I've read things that Jay supposedly said. And. But what happened was he. He was doing a local interview about his new show. And the guy who's a guy we all know, he was just like, hey, how's your mom? Like, just because Willie. I said, willie, you know, even friends when you were talking to somebody who is a reporter, you know they're going to say something. So he just said, generally, well, you know, she's not in great health and you know, this thing's been really hard on her dad. And so he just made a general statement about her health, which could define.

[Jase Robertson]

Someone at almost 80. Most people, I mean, generally, let's face it, you got some struggles once you get close to that number.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. And so. But she's really thriving and doing fantastic. Like she's been walking up the steps to my house. I mean, she's doing things I didn't know that she would do.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, compared to six months ago. Yeah, that she was fantastic.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, she looked good. Before I left. You said she's walking up your steps.

[Phil Robertson]

Walking up my steps. I told her, I said, mom, you're working up a Gulf Shores trip. But so Willie, we had a lot of laughs as you can imagine. And he's really good with mom because he's always needle learner about that. But when I left to come here today, Jason was so funny because Mama Joe, who is Corey's grandmother, who's in lives in between me and Jay, she's in the larger compound. She's 94 years old. Well, and we've talked to her before. She's a wonder. I told her to that said Mama Joe, we.

[Zach Dasher]

There's something, there's something.

[Phil Robertson]

I said, we talk about Joe. Because I said, you are a wonder. She's 94 years old. She drove up there to and she's sitting with mom. So I was laughing. I walked up and I said, okay, Mama Joe, you came for a visit. She said, well, I just wanted to come sit with your mom for a while. So we got a 94 year old mama Joe sitting with 77 year old mom. I said, we talk about you all the time, that you're a wonder. And she said, oh, honey, it's 90% genetics and 10% makeup. That's all it is.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, Warren Buffett is 94, and he just stepped down, I believe, as the head of Berkshire Hathaway. I mean, I think. I think 90, 84 years old, rolling like that, that's pretty impressive.

[Phil Robertson]

It is.

[Zach Dasher]

It's rare.

[Jase Robertson]

It is. But Memo Joe, I mean, look, she was one of the reasons I'm, you know, grew in the Lord, just because I thought this, this woman, I mean, she is a very godly woman.

[Phil Robertson]

She's very amazing.

[Jase Robertson]

Very strong class and character and a great imager of the Almighty God.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, she's an amazing woman. I love her to death. And some of our Tom foolery, you know, she. And she'll tell you. Yeah, I know.

[Jase Robertson]

We know. We need to. We need checks and balances.

[Zach Dasher]

We need people, you know, checking us online, calling us narcissistic.

[Phil Robertson]

Narcissistics.

[Zach Dasher]

I did.

[Jase Robertson]

I'll get past it.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, I did. I. I did. I started before you walked in. I said, I, I want to tell you because I told you all that story that Al was called a narcissist and that. And it bothered him a little bit. And she said he is the least narcissistic person I know. So, Jill, thank you, Jill. To your defense, Al, she, she's one of my favorite. Then that Jay's continued to rib you. So she thought that was funny, though. Yeah. I do want to tell you guys again about. Hey, Jack, by the way, heyjack.com we are launching this site for our audience to come in if they want to purchase travel. If you're traveling in the near future, going anywhere, vacation or whatever, you can get significant savings. So go check that out. By the way, I want you guys to see it. It's awesome. I'm using it. You guys will save a ton of money. If you're going to book travel in the near future, next 30 days, go sign up now. And. And you guys will put cash back in your wallet. AJ plus, for a limited time, we're doing a giveaway. If you sign up from the unashamed tab, we're going to draw a name out and give someone $500 in travel voucher from the site heyjack.com go check it out. Somebody said we're in John 9. Is that right?

[Phil Robertson]

But now I'm curious as to where we're. Where we're going to pull some 82 into this.

[Jase Robertson]

John the Divine Castle, John 10. Well, I'm just. Because I want people to prepare for what's Fixed to happen. In the upcoming podcast, Jesus in John 10:34, I believe, quotes Psalm 82, which is going to lead you back to Deuteronomy 4. So I'm giving you some pre reading, which I've Read through Deuteronomy 4 before. But because you get into this, I'll make a statement that that's going to come out. This God against the gods. These Psalm 82 seems to imply some people have labeled this in your world. What is Zack's world? What do we call the people like that?

[Phil Robertson]

The.

[Jase Robertson]

In his world and the apologetic world, they deemed a phrase called the divine council. And it's basically, they get it from Psalm 82, which is like, God has a celestial family who had roles of guarding humanity, I guess, or helping humanity. I don't know how the phraseology that they all use. And so we'll go through that. But the fact that Jesus quoted Psalm 82, I think, makes us. Compels us to actually do. Do a breakdown of it. And you probably won't hear that on many podcasts because, boy, it's. It's a daisy. Yeah, it's eye opener. You don't hear too many sermons on Psalm 82, so. And you can go ahead and read Psalm 89 with it and Psalm 115, because they seem to be talking about the same thing, whatever that is. This, this idea of the celestial world, which you got to remember last podcast you said to read the Book of Job.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the Book of Job contributes to all this because here you have a celestial being.

[Phil Robertson]

Right. The first two chapters. Yeah, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

That's like roaming to and to and fro, looking for, you know, humans out of place.

[Phil Robertson]

So the evil and then having these conversations with the Almighty and it's like, what? What? You know.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, so that, that's the picture there. And just throw in verses like, you know, the one in Hebrews that says, are not angels masquerading ministry. No, ministering spirits, you know, to humans. So they had a role. Of course, the big question comes up. I know we're getting the cart before the horse, but we'll get there is, well, why does God need that and he doesn't? But you realize that somehow God wants to share his authority. He wants to share his love in that spirit of who he is. These things develop. I mean, the evil one came from somewhere. So you read Ezekiel 28, and it kind of gives you a picture of how that happened. Now it's kind of cloaked in a prophecy about a king, I think of Tyre. But then all of a sudden, he starts talking about the garden and starts talking about the evil one who was hurled to earth. And so it gives you a picture of that, but you know that the evil one was a created being. He's a spirit that is at work in those who are disobedient. That's Ephesians 2, 3. So these sons of God that are referred to in Psalm 82 seem to give the impression that this celestial family that were created for a purpose when they did not want to do their function, just like humans. When humans don't want to function for the purpose that God gave them, we have problems. You know, sin takes place, rebellion takes place, and this spirit actually works within the spirits of humans. And you get the first 11 chapters of Genesis, it's a. It's a fall of man. But then they. They bring in Genesis 6. Well, there's a fall of these celestial beings who got hooked up with the humans. And the result was we had a flood because it really became evil. And then you had Genesis 11 happen. And that's where the Deuteronomy 4 comes in, because it ties in with Psalm 82. And then you say, why is Jesus quoting that? Well, I think that's significant, because what is John 10 really about? You know, it starts off with, you know, I'm the gate. I have a pen. My sheep. I have sheep. They know me. They know. But there's a thief that comes in and tries to steal. Well, so he's given you this big picture of, you know, this is. There's two kingdoms at work here. Those who rebel against God and those who are have, you know, surrendered to the true one and only God. And so among those who rebel against God, there's these gods. And I'm using them in quotations because that's what he's using.

[Zach Dasher]

It's God to the lowercase G. Eloims, little guys. Not.

[Jase Robertson]

Not Yahweh, but it's the same word used for God. I mean, so that's where this gets kind of tricky. But we're going to get into all that. But that's.

[Phil Robertson]

But no, but you're right, and you're right to go there, because this is an early version of what he's going to get into more in depth in chapter 10, in chapter 9, and I mentioned it on the last podcast. It's. This is called, in theology, divine retribution. The same, same idea. And a lot of people have misunderstood that. There's always been good and evil, as if they were immortal entities, and always.

[Zach Dasher]

In opposition, like Star wars, right?

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. But that's not true.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jase Robertson]

We are. We're celebrating freedom and there'll be lots of American flags there.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

God alone is immortal.

[Jase Robertson]

First, the reason I'm bringing this up because then once you kind of go down this road about the gods, whether they're celestial fallen beings, it then they get it hooked up into idolatry, which is all over the place in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I mean the last verse of 1 John 5, which when we get to 1 John, it'll make more sense once we go through all this. I mean, the last thing he says is keep yourself from idols. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because it addresses this whole light and darkness and it addresses verses that are very hard to wrap your head around, like they cannot see Even though they hear, they cannot see. Even though they. What's the verse say where it says they cannot understand, even though they claim to see which we're fixed to get into in John 9? Well, all those phrases come up in these verses. It's because you have set yourself up a God that is not the one true God.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

And then you're being influenced by celestial beings that are not the holy God. They were created by God for a purpose, but. And now they've influenced you by idols. And you serve created things, and that's why you can't see it. It makes your function. I think this is the key phrase, what the purpose that God had for you and the celestial beings. When that doesn't happen. Well, you can't see the truth because you're hooked up on a lie. And it basically comes back to that. Truth versus lie, God versus God's idols versus the true God, darkness versus light. And that's why you're just unable. Because in your mind, you think this is God and you're bowing down and worshiping created things rather than the Creator.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And so those verses make more sense once you kind of look at it from the big picture of those who rebel, those who surrender, you know, and.

[Phil Robertson]

It'S also the power. I mentioned this in my podcast, the last podcast we talked about my sermon, the power of choice, because you have to choose wills here as well. And there was a choice before us in the. In that realm. We know that because we know Satan made a choice. He was, at one time, he was a beautiful, you know, being and followed God.

[Zach Dasher]

He was the first worship leader.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, really, if you think about.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Very, very powerful.

[Jase Robertson]

But all this conversation makes what he did on the cross and the Resurrection even more powerful, because not only. We tend to only think, well, he died for my sins, you know, and one day I'll live again. Way more happened than that because he defeated all these powers that were against him and used stuff like death, which was the result of sin, to have control over people, over their fear of death. Think Hebrews 2, why he became a human. And it helps define, which is hard to define. From Greek and Hebrew to English, what the Bible translates, the sinful nature or the flesh. I think the flesh is a better translation, but. And we'll get into that today here in John 9. But it kind of helps you wrap your head around, like, the human condition and why God came down and the powers that are against us. And all that is tied into some of these quotes that he does from The Book of Psalms.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it's also. We've mentioned this before. It's also illustrated so well, like in marriage. I did a wedding this past weekend, and anytime I have a young couple in front of me, I always go back to the basics of beginnings, which you see first in Genesis. But it's the same concept when you make a decision and you're telling the whole world, in that case, they were standing before their family and friends and God Almighty and me as a officiant, and you're saying, I'm willing to give my will to another person. I mean, we're going to now exist as we are, two people with our own will, with our own mindset, but we are now saying we're going to join that together. When you think about. It's one of the most submissive things we can do on this earth, other than giving our submission to Christ. You know, it's the only other thing we do at this level. But you see the power of it, and you see it when it works well. And so the conversations I've been having with my own mother these last few days have been around what happens when that uncouples? And you struggle with the idea because you spent. Mom spent 60 years in that sort of relationship with dad. And now all of a sudden, she's. She's like a. A ship that's adrift. Like she's trying to figure this out. You know, what. What she said. I just. I just, sometimes when I. When I wake up, I just think he's just standing there and he's just looking at me.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

You know, and you realize it's. That's the power of what happens.

[Zach Dasher]

So they were one.

[Phil Robertson]

They were one. And so the idea, which is a beautiful picture of what it looks like with our relationship with Christ was no wonder he said it's a bride and a bridegroom.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I mean, when we get to John 10, he's going to talk about the I and the Father are one. But I think the oneness of what we're talking about is key. And going to Jason's point about Psalm 82, and then also Deuteronomy 32 is a big part of this as well. But it's the idea that heaven and earth, at one time, if you go back to Eden, heaven and earth were not separated like we. Like it is today. Heaven and earth were together. So, Jesus, and to your point, to the matching and the merging of wills, what was Jesus's prayer when he taught us how to pray that, Lord, your will Be done on earth where just like it is in heaven. So it's saying, merge. Merge the wills.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, no, you're right. Because when I read Deuteronomy 4, it's amazing how many times he used what you just said in that whole chapter. Of course, because I went to Psalm 82, which led me to Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 32, and all of a sudden I'm like, all this heaven and earth stuff is all over the place in Deuteronomy 4. It just keeps coming up, keeps coming up, keeps coming up. So I think you get a description of really the plan of God there. This is the original plan. This is how heaven and earth was supposed to be. However you want to say it interlocked, connected the presence of God with human beings. He wants to dwell with humans, which is why even in the celestial world, same concept. It's a family. You know, you call it the divine council, but I would call it, you know, the divine family. That was. That's why it says sons of God in Psalm 82, which Jesus was making the point. Well, you don't have a problem with that? And now I'm saying I'm the son of God. He gave him a verse which is very confusing in Psalm 82. But he's like, we didn't have a problem when he wrote it there. Now I'm claiming to be the son of God. And you're like, oh, no, no, that's not possible. But. And he. And there's a difference in Jesus being the son of God and the celestial being beings being sons of God. Because you fast forward that well, we're adopted as sons of God. When nobody has a problem with that, it's like, yeah, it's okay. So I just. I see a pattern there, which is why I dubbed that phrase. I kept saying, somebody said the Bible's about God getting his family back. But when I actually looked that up, nobody said that. So I guess I said it. I'll take it.

[Phil Robertson]

But.

[Jase Robertson]

Because I thought somebody said, well, who said that? Well, I went. I thought. I thought I heard that maybe it was the Holy Spirit.

[Zach Dasher]

Just own it.

[Jase Robertson]

Because. Well, I Googled it and I could find no one saying that. No one.

[Phil Robertson]

That's when, you know, you may have had an original thought.

[Jase Robertson]

Wait a minute. Did I actually come up with.

[Zach Dasher]

That's interesting. It's interesting.

[Jase Robertson]

The Holy Spirit, you know.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. If the overarching theme, though, in that, getting the family back together, bringing heaven and earth together, the temple motif is all the more important now, because if the temple represents the mountain that meets God, going back to Tower of Babel, Genesis 11, yeah, they were trying to do that on their own. They were trying to build up so high that they could reach and touch God and make a name for themselves. And. And that was really kind of like an indicative of the real problem is that man trying to get to God because he's trying to reversing the nature of how God operates. God comes to man, and it's never the other way around. And so if you think of a temple as. As that place that's high up on the mountaintop, it's where, it's. It's where heaven and earth are meeting. That's where, that's where this thing is actually accomplished. So this, this talk about a temple and the reason why, I think even the last podcast, I think I mentioned this or maybe a couple podcasts ago, at the end of the John 8, he actually ends with saying that he himself went out of the temple. He hid himself, went out of the temple. All this activity that Jesus is doing in John is actually, it's in a temple. And I think it's important because he is establishing the new place where heaven and earth is going to meet, right? And it's. And right now, heaven and earth meet right here in the body of Zach Dash or Jace Robertson and Al Robertson and anyone else out there who's listening that is under the lordship of Jesus Christ. You're a temple.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, you're a temple.

[Zach Dasher]

God's meeting. Having another meeting there.

[Jase Robertson]

It's so funny. My son called me last night. He was fixed to a Bible study. He was like, dad, I. I mean, you're not going to believe this. He basically, he went to 1st Peter 4 and started talking about, you know, the use of the word Christian. It's only mentioned three times, which I had just talked about that on an earlier podcast and. But I couldn't even interrupt him because he was so excited. But it kind of led to the same concept. I mean, he talked probably 30 minutes, and I was like, oh, you got it. He's like, I mean, this is exciting. You know, what do you think about that? I was like, absolutely. And I hung up the phone and I was like, what y' all talk about? I was like, it didn't matter, because my son calling me when he's 30 on these nuggets of Bible study that has just inspired him and he can't wait to share it. I was like, that was good enough for me. I was like, but it was the same rabbit holes that I've gone through through the years. You know about that kind of concept. You know.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

The creator, Dallas Jenkins, he's a friend of the podcast and a friend of our family. And the series has become a global phenomenon.

[Phil Robertson]

And I have to say, when we first we heard about it from Unashamed Nation, because, Jason, I had not heard about the series initially. You guys were telling us you got to check out the Chosen because it brings the gospel to life on screen. And then we found it and wound up becoming friends as well. Tell us about your experiences with season five.

[Jase Robertson]

It really allows you to think about Jesus and they take their artistic impression of it, which allows you to think, which is really what sharing Jesus in human form is all about.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and I've always thought their greatest strength was the idea of looking at Jesus through the eyes of those who are surrounding him. And that's what makes this series so great. So as we get to season five, here's the description, and I love it because we're getting towards the end of Jesus ministry and his life. He's going to give himself. And here's what they say. Loyalties will be tested, pushed to the edge of faith and trust. Friendships will be questioned, challenged and shaken by uncertainty and doubt. Alliances will be broken. Families will be divided. Nothing will ever be the same again. So it's a journey of faith, doubt, hope, transformation, and love experience. The incredible story of one unforgettable night that changed the course of history forever. And we all know this is a story so profound, it didn't just change lives, it changed the world. I'll be watching the new season. You don't want to miss this one. Season 5 is now streaming on Prime Video. Check it out.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, yeah, I think about, like, just practically what that. I think that marriage analogy is, like, so good. Because what it like, what are we. What are we really trying to do as Christians or disciples, whatever phrase you want to use. Apprentices. I've heard that it really is to. To somehow mold, have my will be molded into the will of God, to align, to line that up to where over time, that my connection with the Holy Spirit is like, would be akin to your mom's connection with Phil, where it's like, where it's just. It's just saying I'm not me, right? I'm not me without him, you know, and even more so, I mean, I think that's the. That's the thing. I come here, you know, away from Jill, even every time I travel, and Jill and I are apart. Like, we always get back. Like, I don't. I do not like being away from you. I don't feel as if something feels off. And so I think that's the kind of intimacy and more so that Christ is calling us into. And the reason why he died, it's not just to pay for our sin. It's so that we could be into that type of relationship with him.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, exactly. Which is why they were having this opposition, because they were not looking at it from God being in an intimate relationship.

[Phil Robertson]

And that's why, again, marriage is a good illustration, because we know marriage is not easy. It's hard. It's like there's a lot of opposing things that happen. Which is why I think he uses this picture in John 9 of this guy born blind to make his point. Because, remember, he says, look, the reason why is because God's word is going to be displayed in that which we see as flawed. But God doesn't look at it that way. God looks at his will being done in a completely different way than we do. So we look at somebody. Jason, you and I both met a guy over at Gateway Church when we spoke over the years ago, and he's in a wheelchair, but he's one of the most dynamic, amazing people we've ever met. You had just been there, and then I met him, and we were like, see, from his perspective, God is used. It doesn't matter that he's in a wheelchair. I mean, in other words, God is using me to impact. And it's hard. It's. Life is hard. We have things we have to, you know, we have opposition. We have all these different things who.

[Jase Robertson]

Can barely speak and you can barely understand him. And he's one of the most vocal.

[Phil Robertson]

Ambassadors, and it's led many, many people to come. So the work of God is being displayed in his life, which is the point that we get to. So let me. Let me set it back up, and then we'll read the. At least the first 12 verses for. For this.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. Because you don't want to spend a whole podcast talking about what you're going to talk about.

[Phil Robertson]

And yet we do this quite frequently.

[Zach Dasher]

It's part of it.

[Phil Robertson]

So. So Zach mentioned at the very end, I think this was. This was the thread when he said in 8:56, Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day. So he brings in the idea that somebody that lived 2,000 years ago is seeing something 2,000 years later. So I think that sets it up. And then they said, well, you can't have seen. How did he see? You're crazy. What is wrong with you?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and to the point I brought up, when does Abraham come into. Come onto the scene? Just think about this.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Genesis 12.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and what just happened that they destroyed everything. I just said Genesis 1:11, you had the fall of man, you had the fall of these celestial beings. In Genesis 6, you had the flood. Then you had the Tower of Babel, which. What were people saying? They got hooked up with the celestial beings that fell. And they're like, we're going to make our own city.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

We're going to reach up to God, which was the whole point of whatever that word for the tower was that they used. I forgot what the word word was, but. But it was the idea of, we're going to God.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And we're going to do our own thing. We're going to have. We're going to make our own decisions about good and evil.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

And all of a sudden, God says, hang on, I'm going to choose this couple over here who are not able to have kids and allow them to give birth to a nation, which then the nations are divided because of the result of Genesis 11 and this and Deuteronomy 4 is all about this. And now he tells you why he chose a nation among the nations, that they would shine the light on the.

[Zach Dasher]

True living God and bring the other nations back in.

[Phil Robertson]

But even before he did that, Jason, he went to a guy who was 75 years old and established and living in his own compound. And he said, I need you to go to a place, and I'm not going to tell you where it is. I'll tell you when you get there.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

So he had to submit his will to God Almighty even to start the process.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is my point, though. They're saying we're Abraham's descendants. And he's like, before Abraham was. I am. It's like, that was my plan. He's a part of my plan.

[Zach Dasher]

Not only is he a part of my plan, that he. I'm the one who chose him to give birth to the nation that you now claim to be a part of. I was the guy. I'm the one that was there. It's me. I'm the one.

[Phil Robertson]

By the way, if anybody knows Abraham, I know Abraham.

[Jase Robertson]

And by the way, he was incapable of giving birth without my power, which he was 100. We talked about being 94. Now memo, Joe has a kid. Okay, now, yeah, now we're talking.

[Zach Dasher]

Now we're listening. But, but think about that. Think about, think about that, though, because as we move into John 9, the point. What's the point of the blind man story? Because it ain't. That's his point. I'm choosing the people to display myself in that. It's always going to be the things where you never expected. I'm going to call Abram to give birth to a nation, even though he's way too old to do it. I'm going to call Joseph, who was not the guy of any of those kids that you would think would have turned out to be the second in command of Egypt. I'm going to take Moses, the guy with a speech impediment to lead Israel out of Egypt. I'm going to take. I mean, just go down, do the math. I'm going to do.

[Jase Robertson]

Even Noah was out there, seemed like a crazy man.

[Zach Dasher]

It's always like 100 years later, probably climaxes be. Oh, and when I incarnate into a human being, I'm actually going to put myself into a baby. And I'm a completely helpless baby. And I'm not going to be born of that.

[Phil Robertson]

People are trying to kill.

[Zach Dasher]

People are going to try to kill. I'm going to be a carpenter. When I, when I live in a human body, I'm going to.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, then I'm going to pick 12 disciples, some fishermen, a tax collector, a zealot. You know, I mean, it kind of.

[Zach Dasher]

When you hear it like that, you start to kind of get the idea. I don't think he needs us to do what he's going to do.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, even I'll throw my dad in there. It's like, you know, you going to take this fruitcake and, and bring many to the Lord.

[Zach Dasher]

But let me ask you a question, because we've all done ministry. If you were, if you were going to build a church. And so after all the years of ministry that we've done, and someone said, here's someone that's extremely talented. They are gifted in, in the most incredible ways in ministry, more than you can ever imagine. And here's a dude that. All I can tell you about him is he is submitted to the Holy Spirit and sincere in his love for the Lord. Who do you take every time?

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you wouldn't take this beggar. He just wouldn't be on the lid. And I think that's part of the irony. Of this story is you kind of realize, here's a guy blind from birth. So what does that mean? He's a beggar. So probably no formal education, no social status whatsoever.

[Zach Dasher]

Probably ostracized from society.

[Phil Robertson]

He was definitely ostracized.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah. I mean, here he is. Well, they were blind to him being valuable.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So that's why when you bring up what you were fixed to read when they said, well, whose fault was this? Because even the question itself says, this guy's worthless. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's unfortunate. So whose fault was it? Because what is he worth, really?

[Phil Robertson]

And the reason I challenge you guys to read the book of Job is because it's 40 chapters of what Jase just said in one sentence of the friends of Job saying, you did something, you did something, you did something, you did something. I mean, it's over and over and over. Well, you know what? It must be this.

[Jase Robertson]

No, it's a great analogy for what's going on. And you phrased it somewhere that I saw where this sin is past, and it comes from when God gave them. Here's the blessings and here's the curses, you know, for following me. So that mean. They took that to mean, if anything bad happens to you, well, you're cursed.

[Phil Robertson]

Here's my. Here's what I said. It's in the notes. Every good deed is rewarded by God with a blessing. Every bad deed is rewarded by God with a curse. Yeah, that's. That's the mindset. And look, the sad thing is there are many of you listening that still believe that, and it's not true. I mean, I'm just going to go ahead and give you a spoiler alert.

[Jase Robertson]

But it goes back to Jesus being the suffering servant, him being the anointed one despite a position of suffering, which is why he came into the world.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Not that God's oblivious to suffering. He entered the suffering world and suffered for the suffering of the world and the powers that contributed to that suffering.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

And then later on the first Peter 4, which is what my son was talking about, he's like, don't be surprised at this painful trial that you are suffering because you're doing it. You're being persecuted or suffering because of the name of Jesus. And then it goes on to say, if you should suffer, it shouldn't be as a meddler, a murderer. So he says there's types of suffering and there's consequences.

[Phil Robertson]

Absolutely.

[Jase Robertson]

You go out there and do things that are wrong or you're a victim of somebody else.

[Phil Robertson]

We constantly bring curses.

[Jase Robertson]

But there is an idea of suffering that God enters into that we are then anointed into by the Holy Spirit because we have his Spirit in us that is going to bring suffering to your life.

[Zach Dasher]

Somebody said something to me one time that was really convicting because I was going through a period of suffering and I had interpreted that season as punishment from God on me for some kind of lack of faithfulness, which honestly, you could look at any point in my walk with Christ and find spiritual unfaithfulness and me lacking.

[Jase Robertson]

I think everybody has the opportunity, you have it.

[Zach Dasher]

And I was sharing it with one of my buddies and a guy named John Lemp, and he said, well, that's the inverse of the prosperity gospel. I know you don't believe in the prosperity gospel, which is basically you give money, you tithe enough, and God re blesses you back with prosperity.

[Jase Robertson]

And well, I'll just rule that one out. Anything involving money. Jesus didn't have any money. He had to borrow A coin to do an illustration.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, yeah, but I mean, most of us would probably deny the prosperity gospel. But he said, but you're. But that what you're saying is the same thing, that because you didn't perform well enough that now God's punishing you and now he does discipline those that he loves. You know what I mean? But it's not 12. Yeah, I don't think it's. But in my mind I'm thinking I didn't do a good enough job in something, so now I'm like, almost like karma, you know, which is not biblical, but I think.

[Phil Robertson]

But it's based on the same thing.

[Zach Dasher]

But that's what's kind of going on here, though.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, when he makes the statement, when he said, neither this man nor his parents sinned, so he just to cause this. And I'm sure you he's not saying they never list number three, four, five or six. But it's implied because his answer, I think is so profound. And I've never heard anybody say this, but I'm going to say it because when he says, but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. So hold it and just think about what I'm fixed to say. Shouldn't that be true for every human born? Correct.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

There's a functionality that God has, a purpose for us that is missed. That applies to every single life you're born so that the work of God might be displayed in your life. That's the point he was trying to make.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

He didn't say, oh, you're so wrong in that. I mean, he did answer the question saying, no, that this man didn't. That did not cut. That's enough for me. He didn't have to explain it any further. What is the real purpose for being born so that the work of God might be displayed in your life.

[Phil Robertson]

That's it. And it's exactly, by the way, what God told Job in 38, 39, 40, 41. Job's like, well, I don't get it. And you know what God said? You don't have to. If you trust me, here's what I've done. And it's four chapters of the works of God. And then at the end of that, he says, job says, okay, I repent, I've sinned. I now have sinned because I. I doubted you. And he says, blessed are you. And then he said, your friends are idiots. I mean, he didn't say it exactly that way, but that's what he says. And that's the idea. You said it earlier, we're not God and we can't be Him. And he doesn't need us to be Him. He needs us to trust him and to listen to Him. It's like a line from a movie one time. So the guy said, you know, it must be hard to be. To be right about everything. And this woman says, oh, you have no idea. And I said, that's exactly what happens when we think we know it all.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Well, I wanted to say, because I teased it last podcast, that somewhere in our study in the religious world, somebody concluded that you're born into sin. And this is one of the verses I use to say, look, there's a difference being born with what the Bible translates, the sinful nature or the flesh. I prefer the flesh. I think most translations use the flesh. And just to give you an example of that, and the reason I'm saying I use this verse, because I do think that everyone is born of God. I mean, so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. But. So you read Galatians 5, 19, and it says the Acts. But key word there, acts. Look that up in the Greek and see what it means. It's deeds, work, decisions. It's something you do. The acts of the sinful nature or the flesh are obvious, obvious, evident. And then it gives a list there. Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, you know, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions. And so then you. You put a little. A baby, you know, on a, you know, in their little bed, and you look at them, you're just not seeing these acts, you know, and so that's probably the redneck argument. But what I wanted to say is that word, flesh or sinful nature, if you do a Greek rabbit hole on the word, here's what you'll find which I found fascinating. It's the same word that when it says the word, became flesh.

[Phil Robertson]

Same word, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So you're like, well, evidently it can't be all negative or Jesus wouldn't have done it. But I wanted to give you one more.

[Phil Robertson]

Jesus summed up a huge argument. That's all. Throughout the first century, Gnosticism was about the flesh. It has to be baptized well, and.

[Jase Robertson]

If you're having trouble with this, he's.

[Zach Dasher]

Done it with a minute and a half left.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, but I want to read. I want to read this.

[Phil Robertson]

Let's have a taste. Right at the end of the podcast, you have now opened up that's your lead.

[Jase Robertson]

You buried the lead. Teased it. I teased it. And I wanted to address it. But I want you. You read if you're having trouble with this, because people teach that and people say, oh, it must be true. Because the pastor taught it. Read Hebrews 2. Because it's all about Jesus becoming a human. And he explains that becoming a human is not sinful. Jesus became a human. Do not attach that. Even though somebody put sinful nature, which led you to believe the flesh is bad. Just because humans are all going to sin doesn't mean that when you became a human, you were sinful. But I want to give you another place, because this one, the Bible does.

[Zach Dasher]

Say, surely I was sinful at birth.

[Jase Robertson]

I explained that on the last podcast because he thought, how could I have done this? I must have been sinful at birth. But it's like a lot of, like, the advice Job's friends gave him. People will go and quote those verses.

[Phil Robertson]

Which, by the way, they're in the Bible. But God said at the end, they're idiots.

[Jase Robertson]

Everything.

[Phil Robertson]

Don't listen to me.

[Jase Robertson]

Everything. They just said, there's about 30 chapters. God said, all wrong.

[Phil Robertson]

That's right.

[Jase Robertson]

And you tell people that, and it makes them uncomfortable. It's like, is the Bible wrong? I'm like, oh, it's full of wrong statements all over the place. Read the book of Job. They gave one bad philosophy after another. That's right. And these, you know, Saturday night preachers are like, oh, I found this nugget in Job. This is what we should be following. But I want to read this before we close because, you know, where else this. This sinful nature slash flesh is used? Luke 24 after his resurrection. This is crazy. He says they were startled, thinking they saw a ghost. Remember, this is 2433. He said to them, why are you troubled? And why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see. A ghost does not have flesh and bones. As you see. I have same word.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So I'm just.

[Phil Robertson]

What was that verse?

[Jase Robertson]

That's Luke 24 and verse 39. My only point is we were created to display the work of God due to our own selfishness and the powers that be who tell us these lies, we sin it. It is inevitable. All sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But be careful in not distinguishing what that means, because you'll turn out like these. Oh, born. Blah. Who sinned? Somebody. I think it's a point that should.

[Phil Robertson]

Be noted it is, and it's a good place for us to pick up next time we come back. Zach left like I did the last podcast.

[Jase Robertson]

Maybe the emergency nature calls.

[Phil Robertson]

We'll see you next time on the show. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.