Ep 1113 | Jase & Al Face Their First Father’s Day Without Phil

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode: Ep 1113 | Jase & Al Face Their First Father’s Day Without Phil
Release Date: June 20, 2025
Host: Tread Lively
Location: West Monroe, Louisiana

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1. Tasting the Mayberry Jelly

The episode kicks off with Jase Robertson introducing a heartfelt moment centered around his father's homemade creation. Jase shares a story about his father, Phil Robertson, affectionately known as "nurse man," who crafted a special jelly combining mayhall and blackberry flavors, aptly named "Mayberry."

Jase Robertson [02:01]:
"I combined Mayhall and BlackBerry and called it Mayberry, which I'm a big fan of."

Phil highlights the cultural significance of the name, tying it to the beloved TV show "The Andy Griffith Show," noting its perfect timing with a recent poll praising Andy Griffith as the most memorable TV dad.

Phil Robertson [02:01]:
"The perfect timing because I read yesterday that Andy Griffith is number one by far."

The Robertson family engages in a playful jelly tasting session where Jase eagerly tries the Mayberry jelly on a Chick-fil-A biscuit. Despite the unconventional method of using a Ziploc bag and a plastic spoon, Jase is pleasantly surprised by the delightful balance of sweet and tart flavors.

Jase Robertson [07:00]:
"I'm stunned."
Zach Robertson [07:00]:
"He got two thumbs up."

This segment not only showcases the family's close-knit dynamic but also celebrates Phil's legacy through a simple yet meaningful gesture.

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2. Reflections on First Father’s Day Without Phil

Phil Robertson opens up about experiencing his first Father's Day without his beloved father. He recounts being invited to preach at a church in Mobile, where he delivered a sermon titled "Crossing over the Jordan" from Joshua 3. This sermon included reflections on Phil's father's passing, offering both comfort and a testament to their enduring faith.

Phil Robertson [24:50]:
"It wound up being the best possible therapeutic for me was just to be able to preach the gospel."

Jase adds a personal touch by sharing his role as a father figure to a three-year-old boy, highlighting the family's commitment to nurturing and supporting others in need.

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3. Personal Stories of Faith and Family

Jase delves deeper into his experiences acting as a father figure, emphasizing the importance of choosing life and fostering hope even in challenging circumstances. He narrates a poignant story about a baseball tournament organized in memory of two children who tragically lost their lives in a car accident. The event, named the Thompson Memorial Foundation, serves as a beacon of hope and healing for families affected by loss.

Jase Robertson [17:26]:
"Isn't this what the kingdom should look like? We are providing healing and hope in spite of...the alternative."

The tournament featured special needs children participating in the game, each given a moment to shine despite their physical challenges. Jase describes the overwhelming emotions as these children demonstrated resilience and joy, embodying the transformative power of faith.

Jase Robertson [30:33]:
"Here was this girl who you could see obviously had a lot of problems, but she hit a ball that was a rocket. The crowd erupted because it was just amazing."

Phil connects these experiences to the biblical passage from John 9, drawing parallels between Jesus' miracles and the tangible expressions of faith witnessed at the event.

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4. Deep Dive into "Son of Man"

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to an in-depth theological discussion about Jesus' self-identification as the "Son of Man." Drawing from scripture, particularly the Gospel of John and the Book of Daniel, Jase and Zach explore the profound implications of this title.

Jase Robertson [38:14]:
"How does Jesus refer to himself as the Son of Man? And I found it fascinating."

They highlight that Jesus referred to himself as the "Son of Man" over a hundred times, emphasizing its significance in understanding his authority, humility, suffering, and eventual exaltation.

Phil Robertson [28:37]:
"Jesus makes it the work of God may be displayed in his life."

Jase presents insights from First Corinthians 15, discussing the connection between Adam and Jesus as the "new Adam" who conquers death and brings about the new creation.

Jase Robertson [44:16]:
"Christ has the authority to rule, he would suffer and die, and he would be exalted and enthroned, bringing heaven and earth together."

Zach adds to the conversation by referencing theologian NT Wright's interpretations, while also addressing disagreements on contemporary theological issues such as abortion.

Zach Robertson [52:15]:
"We need to recognize that Christ has the authority. We don't get to determine life and death."

The discussion underscores the transformative power of Jesus' mission and its relevance to everyday acts of faith and compassion.

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5. The Kingdom Perspective

Phil concludes the theological segment by connecting the narratives of faith and resilience witnessed in the Robertson family's stories to the broader concept of the Kingdom of God. He emphasizes that life's challenges are opportunities for God's work to manifest, reinforcing the belief in eternal life and the ultimate redemption promised through Jesus.

Phil Robertson [28:11]:
"Life is so sacred to us, and we believe that with God, all things are possible."

Jase echoes this sentiment, reflecting on how the stories shared exemplify the ongoing creation and restoration intrinsic to the Kingdom of God.

Jase Robertson [53:50]:
"We are to be a vessel of life works, not death works."

He reinforces the message that embracing Jesus' teachings and mission inspires believers to create positive change and uphold the sanctity of life in all its forms.

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Conclusion

In this heartfelt episode, the Robertson family navigates through personal loss, celebrates their father's legacy, and deepens their theological understanding of Jesus' role as the "Son of Man." Through engaging stories and profound discussions, they inspire listeners to embrace their faith unapologetically, fostering a community grounded in love, hope, and the transformative power of the Gospel.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jase Robertson [02:01]:
  "I combined Mayhall and BlackBerry and called it Mayberry, which I'm a big fan of."

• Phil Robertson [24:50]:
  "It wound up being the best possible therapeutic for me was just to be able to preach the gospel."

• Jase Robertson [17:26]:
  "Isn't this what the kingdom should look like? We are providing healing and hope in spite of...the alternative."

• Jase Robertson [44:16]:
  "Christ has the authority to rule, he would suffer and die, and he would be exalted and enthroned, bringing heaven and earth together."

• Phil Robertson [28:11]:
  "Life is so sacred to us, and we believe that with God, all things are possible."

• Jase Robertson [53:50]:
  "We are to be a vessel of life works, not death works."

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For those who haven't listened to this episode, "Ep 1113 | Jase & Al Face Their First Father’s Day Without Phil" offers a moving exploration of faith, family, and the enduring legacy of a father's love, set against the backdrop of personal stories and deep theological insights. Pour yourself a glass of tea and immerse in the Robertson family's unashamed journey of faith and resilience.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to unashamed. The last time we were all together on the set. Now Zach and I are back in our boxes and Jase has done something because I'm looking into my little camera shot here and there's some sort of food. Jace. Well, what does it mean? As soon as we leave? What happened?

[Jase Robertson]

I had a guy who we call him. Well, my dad called him nurse man.

[Zach Robertson]

Nurse man.

[Jase Robertson]

And because he used to wear the little. Or I guess he still does. What do you call these things? Scrubs. And so my dad, it's like kind.

[Phil Robertson]

Of you and Willie in your youth scrubs.

[Jase Robertson]

But he's kind of like Burley. He doesn't look anything like someone who could produce comfort and, and healing in a time of crisis because he just. He looks like all of us, you know, beard, rough guy. So he's in the medical world. But he said his dad had made some jelly. He breaking new ground. So I had to do an event which I'll share at some point this weekend. Not, not like an event where we go speak. It was just involving some members of my family, which was fantastic and spectacular. But when I got back home, there were two jars of jelly on my little island in the kitchen. Because he knows how the game is played. I'm like, just go in there and set them down. So he was breaking new ground. He had his dad and he made this by hand. He combined Mayhall and BlackBerry and he called it Mayberry, which I'm a big fan of. Andy Griffith. And so look.

[Phil Robertson]

Which by the way, the perfect timing of this Jay, is the perfect timing because I read yesterday spoke at a church, actually I heard the pastor there say that when they do a poll on the most memorable TV dads, Andy Griffith is number one by far. So just to play right into that.

[Zach Robertson]

He'S a good dad.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you know, they don't make shows like that anymore. I loved it. So, you know, I tried. So, you know, I didn't. I got, I got distracted this morning on another man. I got on the phone for an hour. I was actually going to make some biscuits this morning, but got on the phone. It was, it was good. It was all good. It was a Bible study related issue. So then I looked up. Well, then I had to go and be here. So I'm like, well, I'll go to Chick Fil A and get me a couple biscuits. And so I took the jar of jelly and I broke the seal and I put some of the jelly. Of course I wasn't Going to do this for the podcast. I was hurriedly coming in here and getting it all ready. And.

[Zach Robertson]

And if you're listening to the podcast. What? He just. Jace just held up a zip. A Ziploc bag with, I would say probably 3 tablespoons of jell in it. So it looks. It does look awkward, I'll.

[Jase Robertson]

I'll admit, with a. With a plastic spoon. Our lovely unseen.

[Zach Robertson]

Is there a plastic. There's a plastic spoon, yeah. You could get on there. It looks, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

The unseen voice of the podcast, Lovely Maddie said, oh, you're going to do this for the podcast. And I was like, no, I'm fixed to eat this right now. Good, bad or ugly.

[Zach Robertson]

So you haven't tried this yet. You took this out of the jar, put this in the Ziploc bag. You're going to put it on the Chick Fil a biscuit, and we're going to see if the. At the Mayhall BlackBerry combo known as the Mayberry is going to get the thumbs up.

[Jase Robertson]

Your comprehension is off the charts. That's why you're so smart. So, yes. And this was not planned for the podcast. But, I mean, it's like, if you just think, I'm 55 and I'm doing something I've never done before, and you got to remember, in my family, jelly is real close to our heart. I mean, this is Fruit of the Land, provided by the creator. You have the mayhaw, which is kind of a wild berry that lives in the low swamps of the land. And my dad.

[Zach Robertson]

And as you're listening, as you're listening for the playback, for the listeners, he's scooped out two spoons of the jelly out of the Ziploc bag, has strategically placed it on the split Chick Fil a biscuit that sits on the tinfoil wrapping.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, Zach, your color commentary. Well, you give a guy a couple of days off and he's telling you, burst onto the scene now.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, to be. To be fair. To be fair, I do want to say this because we've been talking about spiritual blindness and blindness in John 9. We actually had someone in the comments that said, for the blind people, you should. And the people listening. They said both for the blind people and the people listening, you should do the commentate. Like, you should explain what's going on.

[Jase Robertson]

That is awesome. That's awesome. And this. This has a backstory.

[Phil Robertson]

But Jace Jayce, before you. Before you go, though, Jace, before you do that, I'm nerv for nurseman because this is the second, the last time this happened.

[Jase Robertson]

I Was fixed to bring that up. I hurt their feelings. They stopped at a five and dime store. I. I don't know where they stopped, but they bought a jar of mayhaw jelly, and they got one for, like, all my brothers. But I said, do you realize the risk you're taking here? I said, you bought this? I was like, have you tried it? And he was like, no. Well, I just popped the top on it and put the nose to it. And I thought, hmm. And it wasn't a good. I thought, doesn't have the smell. So I tried it, and I said, nope. Well, then it got awkward because here's the guy. He bought us gifts, and we. What did we do?

[Zach Robertson]

We rejected them.

[Jase Robertson]

We rejected the gift. I was like, and to be.

[Zach Robertson]

And. And Martin did. Was standing right behind me. And Martin looked at the back. He said, well, it was cut by cranberry juice. That explains it all.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

It was no good. It was. It was. It was.

[Zach Robertson]

But this one's close to home. This is close to home. So we're gonna check it out.

[Jase Robertson]

This is homemade. And I will admit. I will admit Chad the nurse man. I mean, he's in the inner circle here, so he's already gone through the gamut. You cannot hurt his feelings. I mean, because especially when we're in a duck blind, we use plain talk. We tell the truth. And you're seeing the soul of men on a daily basis in a duck blind situation. And so if you get out of line, as men, we are to speak the truth in love.

[Zach Robertson]

I think you're gonna like this.

[Jase Robertson]

Something tells me I'm giving. Well, here's why I'm excited. It has the look. It looks great. And I'm gonna give it the smell test. It passes the smell. It looks inviting. It has the smell. I feel like we need a drum roll. You can probably cue that in.

[Zach Robertson]

Jason is taking his first bite. Processing it through.

[Jase Robertson]

Yes.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a look of satisfaction. He's chewing.

[Zach Robertson]

He got two thumbs up. The BlackBerry May hall Mayberry combination.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm stunned.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is a. Interesting combination because it's super bright. Berries are pretty sweet. And. And mayhows are very tart. So it may be the perfect. In the middle. Mayberry.

[Jase Robertson]

Al. You. You actually hit it. It's like a swee, but because the mayhaw tartness is there, which is the problem with the Shane and Shane jar. There was no tart. Where's the mayhaw? You poured a bunch of cranberry juice. You know, after an investigation, we did an autopsy on the jelly and Figured out where it all went wrong. I mean, you can just slap mayhaw on something. No. Some cranberry juice and probably had four or five little mayos in there.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, here, I mean, I think. Here's the lesson to learn. If I go to Italy to visit a friend in Italy, the one thing I'm not going to bring them as a gift is pasta. I'm not doing that. You don't come into our house and give us a gift of the thing that we do. I mean, that was. I mean, I love those guys.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what kids do. You know, we take them to a restaurant and they're like, you know, we. We take them to a seafood restaurant when they're like six and they're like, I'll take the grilled cheese or what, you know, whatever it is. I'm like, grilled cheese. They don't eat grilled cheese here. We're eating some shrimp.

[Zach Robertson]

I mean, if you go to. If you're. If you're on a hunting trip in Nebraska and you go to a restaurant and you look at the menu and they've got Cajun, Cajun, Cajun gumbo or new or jambalaya or etouffee, I'm like, I'm not eating.

[Jase Robertson]

You're so right. I've said that so many times. We go. I said, do you realize how far we are from the coast? Yeah. And you're fixing to order something that has something in the coast in it. Bad move. Unless it's like real expensive and they flew it in that day or whatever.

[Zach Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

And a guy named Thibodeau is cooking back there.

[Jase Robertson]

So Chad the nurse, man, boy, he dodged a bullet here because now we have to have a new arrangement because I wanted to have some more. That's a fantastic, Fantastic. Out of the park.

[Zach Robertson]

I'm impressed that you're impressed. That's not. That doesn't happen very often. And you didn't even compliment him with a backhanded compliment. It was a full scale endorsement, which typically what you'll do is your endorsement typically be something like this. Well, you know what? It's not the worst I've ever had. And that means it's pretty good.

[Jase Robertson]

No, this is fantastic. That one.

[Zach Robertson]

You came in there and just owned it.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what? Notice too, here. This is not for sale. When people say, where can I get some? Oh, you can. This is what people in these parts do. And somebody had given Chad, the nurseman's dad, who I don't think I've ever even met, but somebody had given him some constructive criticism along the way. Because you don't get to this level without a lot of big pans of boiling water and dumping berries and saying, let me just get this right.

[Zach Robertson]

Agree to agree.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, we're living now.

[Zach Robertson]

You guys know how much we love the Chosen. If you watch this show, we love the way that it brings the gospel to life on the big screen. And now season five is streaming on Prime Video. Chase, that's your buddy. Dallas Jenkins is the creator.

[Jase Robertson]

Yep. We met. We met on this podcast. And, you know, I. I will happily confess that I'm drawn to people who focus on Jesus, and I'm really all in on people who do productions that from a global perspective, yeah, they consider Jesus, and that's what this is all about.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, season five is out. You were at the premiere, the table set. The final hours are approaching. What do you want our audience to know about season five of the Chosen?

[Jase Robertson]

I think you're looking at a night in Jesus's life that literally changed the world. And it's. It's emotional. It's kind of a roller coaster because you. You can't help but put yourself in that situation. So get ready.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, I want to read the description to you guys as you're listening, because if you didn't already want to watch season five, this will do it. Loyalties will be tested, pushed to the edge of faith and trust. Friendships will be questioned, challenged, and shaken by uncertainty and doubt. Alliances will be broken. Families will be divided, and nothing will ever be the same again. And we know that's the truth. It's a journey of faith, doubt, hope, transformation, and love. Experience the incredible story of one unforgettable night that changed the course of history forever. And we all know this is a story so profound, it didn't just change lives, it changed the world. So I'll be watching the new season. You don't want to miss this one. Season 5 is now streaming on Prime Video.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm excited.

[Phil Robertson]

It was fantastic. Well, I guess the next couple of segments on the podcast, Jason will be eating. Zach and I will be discussing.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the problem is. Yeah. Because now we got it. We're, you know, now I got to sit here because I don't want to be doing this with a full mouth, so I'm going to have to revisit. But trust me, that'll give me incentive to get through this with a happy heart.

[Zach Robertson]

Happy, happy, happy.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, everybody. Happy, happy, happy. So I'm removing this.

[Phil Robertson]

So I will say this while Jace, while Jase is Repositioning there. So yesterday, I'm not sure, I think this will air later this week, but yesterday was Father's Day, which was, you know, I didn't really think that much about it at first. And then I realized, you know, obviously, this is our first Father's Day without our Father here on planet Earth. But because we view everything from a crossover, eternal perspective, a lot of people were sending me notes about it, and. But I just didn't feel the way they were trying to comfort me. But I didn't feel discomforted. In fact, I had already been asked months ago, before dad, even probably before he was eating in the facility, to speak yesterday at a church down here in Mobile. And it was. I felt so honored because I preached the same sermon I did at West Ferry road from Joshua 3 called Crossing over the Jordan. But in. The reason I did is because it allowed me. There's a kind of a part at the end where I talk about Dad's crossover, but it could not have gone better. I just felt very humbled and honored. Jason, don't know how you felt yesterday about it or, you know, my kids sent me notes, but I just. It was. It wound up being the best possible therapeutic for me was just to be able to preach the gospel.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. I got distracted because I was seeing if they actually sell Mayhall and BlackBerry jelly together. But I can't. I'm not an Internet, because I'm thinking.

[Zach Robertson]

Of past going super deep emotional.

[Phil Robertson]

And I shifted to Jason.

[Zach Robertson]

Still, this is borderline idolatry now, Jason.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it al. The reason I'm thinking that is because, I mean, one of the most famous things our dad was famous for was his excitement about picking up berries and making jelly. I mean, it's not like, no doubt. I mean.

[Phil Robertson]

And he would have loved to have been there with your taste test, by the way.

[Jase Robertson]

My dad would have been more excited about this than anything you can imagine. I mean, this is like. Well, here we. And the fact that it's really good would have been shocking. He literally would have moved Chad the nurse man way because he had say that you. You've moved way up the list. Of course, then people say, what list are we talking about? He's like, oh, there's a list. And you just went way up on it. Nobody really understood what the list was.

[Phil Robertson]

But it's like the Robertson Code, you know, he told me about the Robertson Code. I said, dad, I didn't know there was a code. He said, oh, there's a code.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I got involved in.

[Phil Robertson]

I was like, Well, I don't know. Nobody ever wrote.

[Jase Robertson]

I got involved in two, two events this weekend in the spirit of Father's Day, and both were kind of shocking for different reasons. I'll give you the thumbnail of it, but. And it made me think, you know, about our dad, Al. But, you know, little man I talk about, I haven't talked about him in a while, but there's a three year old that, you know, we help raise and we're still in his life. And so. And the mom who, when we got the little boy was incarcerated, and it's a long story, but she's doing really well and, you know, went through a program and long story short, you know, the program that she was in was all women. And so I kind of became the, you know, father figure in this little man's life. So anyway, he's in a little preschool thing and they were having breakfast with dad was like the theme, I think it was called Donuts with Dad or whatever. And so I was asked to. Because we don't want this little man to be here by himself, you know, And a lot of the circumstances and details I'm leaving out, but I'm pretty much, you know, the main guy in his life here. So I was like, yeah, I'll do it. So I'll go up there and do it. What I didn't realize is, well, people know who I am. And so there was a lot of dads here with a lot of. Lot of kids. Well, they're looking like, well, who is? You know, it's breakfast with dad. I'm with a kid that's obviously not my son, you know, and so people were asking about the story and I was like, at first I realized they're kind of staring at me, like, and their mind was racing. Well, you know what it made me think of Al and Zach is it made me think of how Joseph felt with Mary saying, oh, you know, she's a virgin and, you know, even though she's pregnant, you know, And I mean that it, that, that's the way I felt now. Maybe I was being self conscious about it, but people kept asking me and I was like, I was like, I'm not explaining this again. I'm just like, it's complicated, you know, but then I felt like they're looking at me like, what's the story here? You know, and.

[Phil Robertson]

But yeah, like, there's more to it.

[Jase Robertson]

Than you're right, you know, and basically I'm like, I love this boy. And he, he was, he was giving birth in A difficult situation, you know, and we're trying to give this kid a chance here in life, and. And really, all the parties involved now are doing really well. But it was awkward, you know, because it was. It was just an awkward situation. But I just thought, you know, what? God is my witness and love for. For life and. And. And tip of the hat for this mom in a difficult situation, choosing life. And now we're all gathered around as the kingdom, you know, trying to help this family, and I'm not gonna worry about my reputation or what people are thinking, you know. So that was kind of story one. So I was told Missy that. I was like. She's like, how'd it go? I was like, well, you'll never. You'll never guess. I kind of felt like people were looking at me thinking, oh, you know, something's going on here. Do you have, you know, a son from another mom? Or whatever? So that was one. The other thing I was going to share was Reed and Brighton, my son and his wife, they came down because every year there was a tragedy that happened that we shared on a podcast. It's been a while. I'm not sure the dates on all that. We could. We could figure it out. But I told the story about in Reid's family, in his wife's family, you know, they had a tragedy where two children were killed in a car accident, and the mom was driving and, you know, and there was three kids in the car, and, you know, one of them survived, and the mom, but, you know, she was injured and was burned. The car. Vehicle caught on fire. Horrific story. The dad was behind the car, you know, following them when this all happened, you know, an 18 wheeler crashed into the back of them, and it was just a brutal. I don't think they can be any worse of a story, you know, but since that time, they've done numerous things to honor their memory and many really good things. Well, yesterday they had. There was a baseball tournament where, like, the proceeds are going to this foundation, which the names of the kids is part of the name of the foundation, which is Bryn and Harrison. And I wanted to give you this information about their foundation just so you want to check it out, because after I tell you what happened, you're going to say, ooh, it's called the Thompson Memorial Foundation. So anyway, one of the things they did was at this baseball tournament, they sang the Star Spangled Banner, which Reed sang it. And they had a little baseball game, but it was for special needs kids. And they said a few things about Bryn And Harrison, they actually sang. The child that survived sang Happy Birthday because it was. It would have been his brother's birthday, which was pretty heavy to sit there, you know, when his brother seen him. Happy birthday. But anyway, they just did this. Then all the. These special needs kids, which is where the money that goes into this foundation, this is things that they do in their memory. They gave them all one at bat. And I mean, it was so moving. These kids, they would be introduced, they had a guy on the mic, you know, the crowd, because it was a huge crowd. And some of those kids, and you could tell some up, some of them are in wheelchairs, and some of them could barely walk. But you know what? They all could hit a baseball somehow or another, despite all their problems. And some of them, you know, when they were introduced, there was one girl who just. She was just looking at the crowd like. Like, yep, you know, it's. Give it. Give it up for me, you know, and it was so funny. I was like. I leaned over and told Missy. I was like, if a kid did this in normal life, we would be like, oh, my goodness. You know, look at. They're. They're being cocky, you know, but in this situation, it was, like, so awesome. She was like, yeah, watch this. You know, And I kind of got choked up at many times, just the kids round in the bases. So what they do is they hit the ball and they. Then they have all these, like, college kids out in the infield and outfield. And then the kid that survived, he was like on the pitcher's mound. And then they basically throw the ball around like a bunch of clowns, which is kind of funny. While they're running around the bases and the crowd is going nuts and they all hit home and, you know, it was fantastic. You know, people cry, they laugh. It was awesome. But it made me think, you know, isn't this what the kingdom should look like? You know, we're talking about John 9 and the man born blind and the beggar. And here are all these kids with all these problems and a tragedy happened in a family's life who are now trying to do things that make society great and provide, you know, healing and hope in spite of just, you know, what the alternative is. And I tell you, it was moving. So that's why I wanted to bring it up. And I didn't tell them I was going to do this. I just. I went and thought, oh, wow. I didn't know this was going on in our society. But it was fantastic.

[Zach Robertson]

Jason. No. Missy's getting Your place ready for a big fourth of July celebration. Have you guys got your American flag set up yet?

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, it's all incoming and it will be a lot of red, white and blue. I love it.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

That's exactly what the kind of overcomer mentality is, especially of kingdom people. You know, when, when terrible things happen, it can either totally destroy you, it can wipe out your family, you can never recover from it. You can go into depression, you can go into addiction. I mean, all the things that are out there to try to deal with something like that. Or you can somehow pivot and say, you know, we, we got through something really hard. You never really get over something like that, but you get through it. And then we want to help other people get through what they're going through. So I just, I love that mindset. It's exactly a kingdom mindset of what happens if you really think God is in charge. Even when you go through something really, really difficult. That's the mindset.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, one of the things the mom said Just. And you know, it was a pretty long little deal, but it was all fun. And, you know, they were just masters at doing this, but just like they loved Jesus and it's even on their page, you know, where their foundation is. And I just thought there was no doubt. I mean, they're little kids, you know, and this thing happens. There's no doubt in anybody's mind 100% we will see these people again. You know, when we talk about Jesus and the resurrection, him destroying death itself one day, that's just a fact. And so when you embrace that, I think you get into doing Jesus type stuff because you realize his whole ministry with, you know, take the guy that was born blind, take, you know, the guy at the pool, you know, take the woman with all the problems. But no matter what situation you get in, you know, you. He eventually goes to, you know, what happened to Lazarus. And then you're like, wait a minute, that's a game changer we're talking about. Death itself is destroyed. So we all know we're going to be back together again. And it softens you up to recognize, you know, other people that need to be lifted up and need this hope. And so they had all these special needs kids. I'm not sure where they, you know, they all came from, but the joy in their faces. And just in that experience, it was like, you didn't have to know, oh, is this a good thing to do? And it was. It was real quick. They got one at bat, they ran around the bases, the crowd cheered, and it was just fantastic. I mean, it was absolutely fantastic.

[Zach Robertson]

That sounds like a fun time. I think you see it, that idea that Al was talking about too. You see it even in this passage we've been in John 9, because that's a tragedy, right? In some regards, like you're born with this inability. And then is there something bigger at play here? What's the reason why this happened? I mean, these are the big questions that I think we keep bumping up against in the Bible. One of y' all mentioned Job quite a bit in the last couple. Maybe both of y' all did. But I mean, that's the. It's the story of Job. It's like we're trying to make sense of, you know, pain and suffering in this world. But it is such a beautiful, beautiful example of how the kingdom works. To see, to see such goodness come out of such tragedy. It's pretty powerful.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. And that fast answers act is that Jesus makes is the. So that the work of God may be displayed in his life. I mean, you could really just take that one phrase and then work it into whatever tragedy and situation you're working with. And it's really hard to see it in the moment you're going through it, but once time passes by and you start to see some of the things that happen, you can get a better grasp of that as well.

[Jase Robertson]

No, exactly. That's what I was going to say. That's why, at the end of the day, you know, life is so sacred to us, you know, I mean, in every situation. So I think there's a reason. And I believe the function of life is to image God. And even if. If they're born in difficult circumstances, you know, with God, I believe all things are possible. It's just not something that's a little tagline. That said, and because it makes you reflect on your own life, I mean, even just watching that little baseball game and the little production. I mean, I'm telling you, the things that don't matter is way away from your mind. You know, it's just value in life and not taking it for granted. And all the gifts that, you know, that we have that have been given to us just to be able to speak and to think and to walk and to talk. You know what's amazing about that? I want to say this. There was a girl in a wheelchair when she took her at bat, because she don't realize this. She's in a wheelchair. Well, I'm sure her upper body, you know, gets extreme workout because that's how she's doing that. Well, when she hit the ball, it was a rocket. And the crowd erupted because it just looked. Here was this girl who you could see obviously had a lot of problems, but, you know, she would have elevated it just a. Just a hair. It would have gone out of the park. It was just ripped. And all the college kids got out of the way. I'd love to know the mile per hour off the bat because the sea parted and it just was smoke to the alpha. And I was like, you would have never thought that in your wildest dreams that a girl in a wheelchair could hit a ball that hard. It was amazing.

[Phil Robertson]

Jay's. You know what I love about you telling that story is that so last sort of Saturday night, LSU was playing the College World Series, and me, you and Willie were texting each other during the game. And, you know, we're watching it. We're in intense, you know, because they're up against a rival. And, you know, it's. It's A big deal. It's a big game. We all get into it when they make it to the World Series, the same game, baseball in that intensity, and we're all watching it, wondering what's going to happen. We're commenting back and forth when LSU's, you know, playing and then the same game with a different perspective, what these kids are talking about. You have a whole different appreciation. It's just. It was baseball. It was a game. Yeah, but you. The circumstances and the situation changes everything, I think. I think that's a beautiful thing.

[Jase Robertson]

Not really. It's weird you bring up LSU baseball because my son this morning sent me some kind of social media post or whatever, and because Josh Pearson, who and his brother now, I guess they're from our hometown in West Monroe. And everybody seems to love Josh Pearson. He's like the veteran that when he had his last at bat in Baton Rouge in the regional and he struck out on three pitches and the crowd gave him a standing ovation. I'm like, where have you come in life to where you strike out and they give you a standing ovation? But they were giving him a standing ovation because it was probably his last game, or I guess it was probably this last game in Baton Rouge. But anyway, my daughter went to school with him at West Monroe, and she. She always told me, like, he's a really, really good guy, dad. And you know how kids will say that? And you're like, yeah. But she's like, no, dad. He really is. And I was like, well, maybe that's why he's so likable down there. Well, my son sent me a post that. Because they're interviewing them at the College World Series now about everything. And it was basically him saying he was in dugout and they were interviewing him. And he's like, you know, I attribute, you know, really my growth as a man and as a baseball player to the weekly Bible study that the team puts out there. He's like, I used to go to a few. He's like, now I go every week. Well, then I sent Reed. That was the gist of it. I sent Reid a text. I was like, well, I didn't think I could get any more fired up until you sent me that text, because now we're not just playing in Omaha. We're on a mission from God, you know, because I had just listened to a podcast that somebody else sent me about the. That freshman, Derek Curiel, he was on a spiritual podcast talking about his faith, and I was like, what's going on Here, this is. This is good. But I'm glad even in that environment, some of those young men are thinking about, you know, they're the. The bigger picture in life, which is you don't get any bigger than the Lord Jesus. So it was really exciting.

[Phil Robertson]

You love hearing that. For sure.

[Jase Robertson]

If we keep this up, I'm going to have to go to Omaha.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

So back to John, Chapter 9. We last night, Jase sent us a text, Zach, and said, all right, we gotta go back and revisit this question because, you know, we've been kind of going through and there have been some questions. This whole thing about blindness. It started out, of course, with this man physically born blind, as we've been talking about, but it quickly morphed into a discussion about spiritual blindness, and this investigation ensues. And, you know, it's just a lot of ugly stuff. And the Pharisees are involved. And then at the end of the text that we read last time, it says, if you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. So obviously, he's going to get this into a very spiritual context with people who are spiritually blind. But he asked a question that I think Jace has done a rabbit hole. So I'm looking forward to going down with him on this. In verse 35 it said Jesus, Jesus heard that they had thrown out this guy who just basically stuck up for Jesus because he didn't know any better. I mean, he. He's just telling what happened. And so they threw him out of the synagogue. And when he found him. So he's looking for this guy, he asked him this question, which now we've added to our hall of questions from Jesus in the book of John. Do you believe in the Son of man? And so Jace, I'll let you take it from here on where that question took you and we'll do some deep dive into that.

[Jase Robertson]

Let me just tell you this, Al, because we're going to have to put our seatbelt on. I started last night. I sent you the text at 8:30. Well, I started this study at 6pm.

[Zach Robertson]

And it finished at 2am nonstop on this one question. Do you believe in the Son of man?

[Jase Robertson]

Yep. What is that? Do the math. Eight hours.

[Zach Robertson]

I didn't put that much into it. But I will say when you sent the thing, I said, well, let me go look at this. I did a little. Not quite that extensive, but I did a pretty good little deep dive too.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, good, because look, we're gonna have to take a time out. There was a movie I. I saw one time and he was like, time out. Okay, we're going to take a time out on this because this shocked me. And I'm going to ask you a few questions and you'll see where I'm going with this. Did you know when you think about how Jesus referred to himself, I could only come up with two. Two things. Now I don't mean because when you think of who is Jesus? So if you ask yourself that question, who is Jesus? We could start naming a lot of things. He's Lord, He's Christ, he's the Messiah, he's the Son of God.

[Zach Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

All right. But when you look at how he referred.

[Phil Robertson]

Shepherd.

[Jase Robertson]

Yup. Chief Shepherd. I mean, you can come up with a lot of things, but when you look at how he referred to himself. And so when in asking that question, do you believe in the Son of man? How does Jesus refer to himself? And I only came up with two things. Can you name them?

[Zach Robertson]

No. One's the Son of Man.

[Jase Robertson]

One's the Son of Man. And look, did you Know, over a hundred times in the Gospel, over a hundred times, he refers to himself as the Son of man.

[Zach Robertson]

I thought it was 80, but still a lot.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, mine said 100, but that. That was AI. So they might.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, and also. And also, when he refers to himself as the Son of man, he's really the only. He's only referred to the Son of Man outside of his own reference to himself, I think a couple times. So this is like Jesus's preferred way to identify himself, and nobody else seems to be doing it except for him.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Zach Robertson]

Which is worthy of note.

[Jase Robertson]

And what was the other? Y' all know the other. It's so simple.

[Phil Robertson]

Would you say, would it be Son of God?

[Zach Robertson]

Nope, the Christ.

[Jase Robertson]

Other people referred to him as Son of God. No, other people referred. They'd ask him, are you the Christ? And he would say, I am.

[Zach Robertson]

The way.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you just got it right. I am. Even when they said, are you the Christ? I'm gonna. I'm gonna show it to you in this rabbit hole. And they say, aren't you the Christ? And he'd say, I am. He referred to himself as I am and the Son of Man. Yeah, I found that fascinating. Now, you'll Google this on the Internet and they'll have 10 things. But, you know, I think they missed it. He doesn't go around saying, you know, the Christ, or he'll say, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am. Well, that I am is quite the state when you. Especially when you know where he's getting it from. Which I would say the primary place he's getting that from is where is that Exodus 3. We talked about that earlier when God said, I am who I am to Moses. Well, and the Son of man famous passage from the Old Testament is Daniel 7. Now, there's other references where son of man is used in the Old Testament, but Daniel7 seems to be the one most used because from the Israel perspective, it was the prediction of this coming kingdom. And I would like to go to Daniel 2 and Daniel 7. That's what took me so long is because then you start getting into Daniel. And Daniel can be difficult reading if you're not familiar with that. So I took a deep dive on that. But since I only want to introduce it, I just wanted to say that. And if y' all. And see if y' all are aware of that.

[Zach Robertson]

Yeah. That Daniel 7, too. It's not just introduction of the kingdom, it's an introduction of the king, who, by the way, it's an introduction to his authority and his dominion, and it's an invitation into submission to him, which I think is what ultimately was what's at stake here. When you see this interaction he's having with the Pharisees.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. So let's define son of Man. What does that mean? Zach? I figured you would come up with a good definition as far as what.

[Zach Robertson]

Is the Son of man.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, just what does that mean?

[Zach Robertson]

Well, I think he's referencing Daniel 7. I think he's.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I know that, but I was more thinking, you know, what does that practically mean?

[Phil Robertson]

I would say it is the physical human manifestation of God, is what he means when he says the Son of man. In other words, he's God, but he's also here and he's made.

[Zach Robertson]

Yeah. Which if you think about the idea, if we're talking about a kingdom that Christ brought his kingdom, he inaugurated the kingdom with his incarnation and coming and death, burial and resurrection, then it's like. Yeah, then it is the manifestation, the incarnation of the King. It's heaven coming to earth. So that's why it's a Son of man, because he's coming into earth and becoming human to reign. You know, he's taking us. I should say it this way, Philippians 2, language. He's taking on the nature of a human in addition to his divine nature.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I can live with that. So when you think of Adam and how it relates to that, you know, he's a human. He was the first human. Well, then Jesus becomes the first human that would come back from the dead God in human form. I mean, it's a combination of He's a new Adam.

[Zach Robertson]

He's the new Adam.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, the new Adam. Which is why you see the passages like, you know, I'm just. I'll read this because what I would like to do is read some of these verses, which we're just kind of introducing this. It's going to take us a whole podcast to go through this. But once you see this, you will never unsee it. Because the reason I spent eight hours studying this, it wasn't because I was, like, trying to pass a test. I was so excited about it that I thought, why have I not been talking about this before? And it really made me go back to that question. When he said, do you believe in the Son of Man? That was a very exciting question for people to consider. But I'll just give you a little thumbnail of this. First Corinthians 15, which I think is a famous passage, verse 20. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead. The first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through. Well, here's this word. A man. Who's that man? Adam. The resurrection of the dead comes also through a what?

[Zach Robertson]

A man.

[Jase Robertson]

A man. It's so easy of a definition that I think we've just, we've never thought about it.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

I do. I. I've owned Shopify stock years.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

For as in Adam, all die that that first man. So in Christ, this, this new man all will be made alive. But each in his own turn. Christ, the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. Now listen to this in 24, then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom. Well, now we're getting into this Daniel chapter two and Daniel chapter seven prediction about the kingdom where one, like a son of man would be riding on the clouds, ascending to the ancient of days, which is a different definition than a lot of religious people view of the kingdom, but I'm just telling you what it says and we'll get deep into it in the next podcast. But when he hands over the kingdom to the Father, after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, power, for he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for he has put everything under his feet. Because I'm going to read you the Old Testament version of that at some point. But then I wanted to skip down and read First Corinthians 15. Where is this 44? Second part of 44, where it says if there's a natural body, there's a spiritual body. So it is written, the first man, Adam, this is First Corinthians 15:45, became a living being, the last Adam, a life giving spirit. Now, but I want to remind you, he still had a body. Remember when he said in Luke 24, a ghost does not have flesh and bones. As you see, I have. He had a new body. And that's kind of the context I'm skipping, but I just want to keep reading. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural. And after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. Remember how many times Jesus kept saying, I came from heaven, I'm from heaven, I came down from heaven, I came down from heaven. And remember, even when he was with Pilate, he was like, my kingdom is not of this world. And people took that to mean, oh, it's not in the world. But that would be a wrong assessment and they don't realize it's for the world. So we'll get to that. Verse 48, as was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth. We die. And as is the man from heaven, so also those who are of heaven, resurrection, death, be undestroyed. And just as we have been born the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. So I only did that to show you. The definition is he was the son of a human. He, he became a human being, God became a man. And he did it For a purpose. And the purpose is awesome. So what I want to bring up next. So out of the 80 or 100 times that Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, from what I studied, there's basically three major themes when he refers himself to as the Son of Man. And this is, I didn't read this out of a book. This is basically what I wrote down. When he would say that, he was basically giving the impression to his hearers when he said son of man, that the first thing is he had the authority to rule. He's from God, His Father is in heaven, and he has been given this authority from God, the Son of Man. The second is that he would suffer and die and by that defeat the powers that brought sin and death to our world. So just think of all the verses when he says the Son of Man will be handed over, the Son of Man will be betrayed into the hands of men.

[Zach Robertson]

He will be lifted up on the cross.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. He will die every time. It's the Son of Man. It's the Son of Man. And you kind of see an attitude of humility in there. Think the verse. And we'll read the verses next time, but think the verse where it says the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and give his life as a ransom of many. So you have, he had authority of rule, but he also came in humility, which he would suffer and die and be raised, which would defeat the powers that caused the problems in the first place. And then the last, the third one is it's a picture of him being exalted, enthroned, bringing heaven and earth together and through that would create the judgment scene, good or bad. And so you get in all that language about the temple being destroyed one day, he's like, the Son of Man has this authority, but he'll be exalted.

[Zach Robertson]

Because a lot of times you read those passages and you think, oh, they're talking about the second coming. When. No, when he talks about you'll see the Son of Man on a cloud. That's talking about the reception that he's going to receive in terms of the kingdom. He's going to receive the kingdom and the authority and the dominion.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly. And judgment on the powers that led to the temple being tainted itself. In essence, he would become the temple, the place where heaven and earth, which.

[Zach Robertson]

NT Wright's so helpful in understanding that. Although, by the way, he is dead wrong on his comments on abortion recently. I was shocked to hear.

[Jase Robertson]

I heard that too. And I agree just you know, Oh.

[Zach Robertson]

I was like, whoa, okay. I still. I think one of the things you can take from this is like, no, we need to. Christ has the authority. We don't get to determine life and death. That is. That is Jesus's prerogative, not ours. Especially when it comes to the unborn, no matter what their. Yeah, probably should. I do want to make a note of that, by the way, for our audience. We reference NT Wright a lot on here. We do not agree with his latest comments on abortion at all. Yeah, I did want to say that. But anyway.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I would have never seen it, but you sent me that. But even in the spirit of what I was saying about that baseball game and those special needs, it just brought John 9 to me. And the reason I told the story about that little boy that, you know, who I love like a son, it's like when life goes bad and people choose life, you never know what God's going to do. And even with all those special needs kids, I saw there was something supernatural that was being displayed in the lives of humans with extreme difficulties. And it just made me think of that. John 9. This happened so that the work of God might be displayed in their life. And it was being displayed right before my very eyes. And I do know that there is a God who became the Son of Man and gave not only the impression, but gave you the fact that all of these things will be made right.

[Zach Robertson]

Yes.

[Jase Robertson]

All the difficulties, all the physical problems, all the tragedies. That's why he's going around healing. That's why he's casting out demons. That's why he's forgiving. I mean, these are the impressions that he's given, that the earth and everything in it will be made right. This is called the new creation. It's happening now and will ultimately happen later in a perfect way.

[Zach Robertson]

Yeah, I love that. And that's the point of the. That's the whole, like our whole role under God's rule and reign and kingdom is that we are to be a vessel of life works, not death works. You mentioned that beautiful baseball game with the very people that some would say, oh, we should not let them live. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Look at the blessing that you receive. Look at the blessing of my own daughter. I mean, that I received when she wasn't really viable. Viable in the womb. But I cannot imagine life without precious Ruth. And so I do think that this idea of what the Son of Man is bringing. I love what you said because it said, I wrote these down authority that he would suffer. And then him being exalted and enthroned. That's the life work right there. Because he mediates for us, and that's the life that he's called us into.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, we're out of time. But, Al, I just wanted to say. I just wanted to say, read Daniel 2. Read Daniel 7 and look up every verse where Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man. And then we'll go deep into the weeds on the next one.

[Phil Robertson]

That sounds good. We'll. We'll check that out. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode out.