Ep 1118 | Jase Gets Bumped on Live TV & Phil’s Unreleased Recording Brings the Family to Tears

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family: Episode 1118 Summary

Episode Title: Jase Gets Bumped on Live TV & Phil’s Unreleased Recording Brings the Family to Tears
Release Date: June 30, 2025
Host: Tread Lively
Guests: Phil, Al, Jase, Zach Robertson

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1. Introduction and Family Updates

The Robertson family gathers from various locations across the country, including North Carolina, Gulf Shores, and West Monroe, Louisiana, to discuss recent events and share updates.

Phil Robertson opens the episode with enthusiasm, welcoming listeners:

“Welcome back to Unashamed. We’re in our boxes, Zach. Yeah, you’re in. You’re in North Carolina. I’m in Gulf Shore. Jason’s in West Monroe. We have much of the country covered today. So what's been going on in your world of North Carolina? That's what I want to know.”
(00:06)

Zach Robertson shares an intriguing discovery that sets the stage for a heartfelt discussion.

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2. Discovery of Phil’s Unreleased Recording

Zach reveals that he stumbled upon a significant recording made by Phil Robertson, which delves deep into the concept of the Kingdom of God.

Jase Robertson explains how Phil was dedicated to discipling young Christians, often relying on handwritten notes:

“Phil brought a guy to the Lord. And part of, you know, Phil was real big on, you know, once you're. This is not just about getting in. This is. You are now a member of the kingdom of God.”
(00:37)

Zach describes his process of finding and listening to the hour-long recording titled "Phil Kingdom," emphasizing its profound alignment with the family's weekly discussions:

“I said, you're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's it. I've heard that sermon many times.”
(03:05)
“It is like it's gold. I need to.”
(03:51)

The family reflects on Phil’s commitment to Bible study and his ability to internalize Scripture without reliance on modern tools like the internet or commentaries.

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3. Anecdote: Bumped from Live TV Interview

Jase recounts a memorable incident where he was scheduled to appear on Fox and Friends for a tribute and show announcement but was abruptly bumped due to breaking news about the Iran-Israel conflict.

“They sent a camera crew from New Orleans. So, but the spot was going to be at 6:50, which means that we basically have to get up at 5 because the camera crew is coming at 5.”
(05:05)

Despite meticulous preparation, a last-minute cancellation left the family both amused and disappointed:

“At 5:15, I just awoke and there's a camera crew just like bumping into each other behind my house.”
(05:21)

Phil Robertson offers a humorous take on the unpredictability of live production:

“Here's my take. I mean, we're all in production. How hard would it have been for one of the hosts, who's not covering whatever was breaking at the moment, to go ahead and do the interview, and then you could stick it in whenever you wanted to.”
(10:27)

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4. Production Challenges and Lost Duck Dynasty Episodes

The discussion shifts to the challenges of television production, particularly referencing the loss of certain "Duck Dynasty" episodes and footage.

Jase shares his curiosity about missing scenes:

“We have many missing scenes, including, I know, at least one entire episode that was never aired.”
(16:20)

Phil reminisces about the unpredictability of show business:

“The whole Jay's is right. It's the sausage-making process. We used to say the worst ask in the world is to ask one of our friends to be an extra on the duck show.”
(14:54)

Zach adds his own experiences with lost footage, highlighting the fond memories that never made it to air:

“I've got a ton of footage. Not Duck Dynasty, but I've got a ton of stuff out.”
(16:31)

The family collectively acknowledges the behind-the-scenes hurdles of producing quality content, contrasting it with their current focus on Bible study, which they describe as more straightforward and meaningful.

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5. Deep Dive into Biblical Concepts: Son of Man and the Kingdom

Transitioning from personal anecdotes, the Robertson family delves into a theological discussion centered around the term "Son of Man" and its significance in understanding Jesus' role in the Kingdom of God.

Phil highlights a passage from Hebrews 2, connecting Old Testament prophecies to the New Testament revelation of Jesus:

“It’s not to angels that he has subjected the world to come about which we are speaking, but there is a place where someone has testified...”
(27:10)

Jase emphasizes the practicality of this theological insight:

“When you realize it, you come out of that rabbit hole ready to run through a wall for the Lord on this earth now.”
(03:51)

The conversation integrates various biblical references, such as Psalms and Acts, to elucidate how Jesus embodies both divinity and humanity, fulfilling prophetic scriptures.

Jase refers to Psalm 110 to illustrate Jesus' dual role as priest and king:

“Psalm 110, 4 says, the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind. You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
(29:15)

Phil connects these scriptures to the overarching mission of spreading Jesus' message globally through ministries like One Kingdom:

“One Kingdom is about sharing Jesus, speaking Jesus, showing Jesus...”
(23:36)

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6. Insights on Biblical Passages

The family examines specific biblical passages to deepen their understanding of Jesus' identity and mission.

Jase shares the transformative impact of Stephen’s vision in Acts 7:56, reinforcing the belief in Jesus' exalted position:

“I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
(32:14)

Zach draws parallels between biblical leadership and business, emphasizing the importance of genuine investment and care, much like Jesus as the Good Shepherd:

“If you go to a restaurant that is owner-operated... everything’s better because he’s really... invested in it.”
(43:18)

Phil highlights the continuity between Old and New Testament imagery, reinforcing Jesus’ role as both shepherd and divine leader:

“Yahweh being a shepherd, that’s the same kind of idea that you see from the Son of Man.”
(55:13)

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7. Discussion on John 10: Jesus as the Good Shepherd

The episode culminates with an in-depth analysis of John 10, where Jesus describes Himself as the Good Shepherd.

Phil reads key verses from John 10, outlining Jesus' role in guiding and protecting His "sheep":

“I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers...”
(52:26)

Zach interprets Jesus' analogy, comparing it to an owner-operated business that ensures quality and care:

“He’s going to be involved. It’s owner-operated.”
(43:01)

Jase ties the metaphor back to personal faith, portraying Jesus as the ultimate leader who understands and transforms believers:

“Jesus is the ultimate shepherd because he knows us better than anybody.”
(50:21)

The family underscores the significance of recognizing Jesus' authority and the transformative power of following Him, concluding with reflections on spiritual blindness and the clarity Jesus brings to believers.

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8. Conclusion and Tease for Next Episode

As the episode wraps up, the Robertson family teases the continuation of their biblical study, promising deeper dives into the metaphor of sheep and further exploration of Jesus' teachings.

Phil invites listeners to engage with the content:

“We’ve described this as a very hostile situation that’s ongoing. But he’s telling them clearly what’s coming...”
(55:41)

Zach encourages the application of biblical principles to everyday life, emphasizing the importance of genuine leadership and investment, both spiritually and practically.

The episode concludes with an invitation to the next session, promising more insights and discussions on the profound themes introduced.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jase Robertson:
  “It is like it's gold. I need to.”
  (03:51)

• Phil Robertson:
  “One Kingdom is about sharing Jesus, speaking Jesus, showing Jesus…”
  (23:36)

• Zach Robertson:
  “If you go to a restaurant that is owner-operated... everything’s better because he’s really... invested in it.”
  (43:18)

• Jase Robertson:
  “Jesus is the ultimate shepherd because he knows us better than anybody.”
  (50:21)

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Final Thoughts:

In Episode 1118, the Robertson family navigates personal anecdotes and profound theological discussions, intertwining their faith journey with biblical insights. From uncovering Phil's heartfelt recordings to exploring the depths of Jesus' identity as the Son of Man and the Good Shepherd, the episode offers listeners a rich tapestry of faith, family, and divine purpose. Whether sharing stories of live TV mishaps or delving into Scripture, the family exemplifies living unashamedly for their Christian beliefs, inviting listeners to join them in their quest to understand and spread the Gospel.

Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We. We're in our boxes, Zach. Yeah, you're in. You're in North Carolina. I'm in Gulf Shore. Jason's in West Monroe. We. We have much of the country covered today. So what's been going on in your world of North Carolina? That's what I want to know.

[Zach Robertson]

North Carolina is rolling. I did have a very interesting discovery, Jason. You got me thinking about it because you mentioned that you had discovered some notes that Phil had written.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, yeah, A guy Phil brought to the Lord. And part of, you know, Phil was real big on, you know, once you're. This is not just about getting in. This is. You are now a member of the kingdom of. Of God. We are to image the glory of God, and we have the Holy Spirit in us. So he was all the time trying to disciple the young Christians. Well, this fella, Bradley is his name, lives in northeast Arkansas now. He was asking Phil for, you know, because, you know, my dad, he didn't, like, read commentaries and all that, and he. So he was like, the guy wanted something.

[Zach Robertson]

He had no Internet.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he was like.

[Phil Robertson]

He also had no computer to keep notes. Like, I've got detailed notes for 20 years. But, dad, everything he did is on a yellow notepad.

[Jase Robertson]

So he literally takes his lesson out that he had just given and it happened to be on the kingdom and gave it to him. And so then he's sending me a picture, wanting to get a handwriting expert to see if that was my dad's handwriting. But I knew it immediately. I said, you're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's it. I've heard that sermon many times.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, you got me, like. You got me thinking when you said that. It's so funny because, like, we talk about the kingdom a lot, and on some level, like, I think we've, like, figured some stuff out. And, like, you kind of pat yourself on the back and. And particularly because, like, at the end of Phil's life, I don't know if you guys remember, we had several conversations with Phil on the kingdom. He's like, yeah, you boys, y' all taking this to another level. Like, almost like he couldn't engage in the conversation anymore. Now we know why, because he had dementia. But I'm like, you know, we. We've talked about this, but how much of this stuff that we actually get from sitting with Phil? Well, I have all these recordings on my phone from, like, years ago that I just. Conversations that I recorded with Phil, like, for book Writing all kind of stuff. And I just. Like, you know what? I forgot I had all of these recordings that have. I've. I've never even listened to them. And I don't. They've never been heard from anybody. And so I. I said, I know. I asked him one time to tell me your whole spill on the Kingdom. I. I remember I asked him that. So I probably have. I got hundreds, maybe thousands of. Of voice notes on my iPhone. And I started to scroll through to find it. And here's the irony of the whole thing.

[Jase Robertson]

The.

[Zach Robertson]

I scroll all the way to the very first voice note that I had on this particular phone, which is 2016. And it was titled Phil Kingdom. And it's an hour and 34 minutes of Phil giving me the whole, like, biblical. And it is. And I listen to it. I would. I would. I listened to the whole thing. I was like, dang, this is exactly what we're talking about every single week. And it was so encouraging just to think about, you know, that he arrived at a lot of the same conclusions that a lot of people arrived at that we listened to. Now with no commentaries, no. No Internet, just. I just. I'm just reading the Bible. It is a. At some point, I need to figure out a way to release that, because it is such a. I mean, it is like it's gold. I need to.

[Phil Robertson]

But he. He did have the Holy Spirit of God, as do we. And so that's why, you know, the same one that wrote this Bible. So I think there's your connection. There's your.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's true. I made a point in the funeral, saying that, you know, what I saw in my dad was him becoming like Jesus, you know? Cause Jesus had no formal training or anything like that. And then we. You know, I read that 1st John 4 in the funeral about. In this world, we are like him. And Phil always was proud of the fact that he was a lot smarter than he looked. And it was just from sheer Bible study. I mean, what do you do on a riverbank when you have. You have no computer, no cell phone? He didn't really watch TV much, you know, until his later years. I mean, so it's like in between hunts or getting ready to hunt. He just sat there and studied his Bible, I mean, for years, didn't he? I mean, he went through Bibles like a lot of people go through wardrobe, I guess, you know, because even though most of his wardrobe had holes and all that, it just became more cool, I guess, in his mind, or the.

[Zach Robertson]

Recording is like hey, Phil, give me, give me your spill on the kingdom. And then he just, he opened up his Bible. And I mean, he just, I mean, at first he's like, he started in Genesis and then he went through. And I was laughing because he got to Genesis 6 and he says, oh, hey, I mean, the word. The world got wicked. I mean, hey, it was just a free for all. Oh, you said, you say, was it a free for all?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, we had a good feel moment. We were trying to. I had a story that happened that I'll share. Look, you want to know how the sausage is made and what they call the show business world? I'll tell you what happened. But then to break the tension and for all parties involved, we had a moment when we were like, what would Phil have said about this? Because what happened? So we're a couple. Not quite a couple weeks removed from Father's Day, but we have a new season of our show, Duck Family Treasure, coming out on Fox Nation. And so they dropped the first episode of the new season on Sunday, Father's Day. So look, they reach out to us and said, hey, how would y' all like to be on Fox and Friends? And we'll do a little tribute, you know, to your dad, because it's Father's Day and y' all can talk about the new show. So what am I going to say? No, I thought, oh, that's. That's great. You know, even though I don't have to do that, I thought, I love the show. I think. I think it's a good show. And I thought, you know, I think it's time, you know, we're celebrating. Phil and I don't mind having a conversation. So me, Jep and our wives, Missy and Jessica all agree to do this. And so they're sending a camera crew from New Orleans. So, but the, the spot was going to be at 6:50, which means that we basically have to get up at 5 because the camera crew is coming at 5. And a funny story on that. I set my alarm, but it didn't go off. And so at 5:15, I just awoke and there's a camera crew just like bumping into each other behind my house where I have a little pool in the pitch black dark because I looked out and saw their cars. And I'm like, where are they at? And so they had tried to call me, but, you know, I didn't, I didn't have my ringer on. And so I opened the door and said, hey. I turned the lights on. It was so funny. I Was like, I can't believe y' all didn't fall in the pool. But anyway, they come inside, they start getting ready. You know, you think you got Missy and Jessica's. They're doing makeup all the. Well, it's early. It's a Sunday morning, Father's Day. Go through the whole thing. We sit down. There's. We're in the four chairs to get the set right. We have the earpieces in. We're literally hearing the producer. When they said, two minutes till airtime, my phone goes off because now I had put my ringer on, and I thought, duh, I need to take. Put my ringer off. What if that goes off while we're filming? And so when I reached down, well, somebody had sent me a text message. Of course, it never occurred to me who would be sending me a text message at 6 on Sunday morning. Well, it was the powers that be. They said, we're so sorry, due to the war, we're going to cancel your. Your bit. And I was like, wait, what? I thought, I'm talking to a producer. So I was like, I got a message saying we're. I mean, just think two minutes before. And of course, Missy was like, this war has been going on for days, which it has.

[Zach Robertson]

A war started eight days ago or whatever.

[Jase Robertson]

And so, you know the part I was saying, because Missy was like, I cannot believe two minutes before. And I mean, it never happened. And then the next day, they sent a text, said, how about next Sunday? And Missy's response was so funny. She was like, to them, she's like, let me sleep on that and get back to you.

[Zach Robertson]

And by sleep on it, I mean sleep till 7:30 in the morning.

[Phil Robertson]

She's still sleeping, J. She's still sleeping.

[Zach Robertson]

Think about, you got bumped. You got bumped.

[Jase Robertson]

This camera crew got up at midnight, drove from New Orleans, you know, and all this, and turned my house into a studio. I mean, it took them an hour just to deconstruct something.

[Zach Robertson]

Who did you get bumped for? Who was the. Who was.

[Jase Robertson]

No, it was just the war, the ongoing Iran Israel conflict. But Missy's point was this had been going on for three days, you know, well, my thing.

[Phil Robertson]

Look, we. We all do production. And by the way, Jay, this has happened to us before with dad. We flew to New York and we're there waiting in a green room, and all of a sudden they come out and say, sorry, guys.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, it's happened. You know, that's why.

[Phil Robertson]

Here's my take. I mean, we're all in production. How Hard would it have been for one of the hosts, who's not covering whatever was breaking in the moment, to go ahead and do the interview, and then you could stick it in whenever you wanted to.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

Not anymore, no.

[Jase Robertson]

Al moved Alabama because he got tired of paying for chicken.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

And the guy who was going to do the interview, which he probably never even knew what was going to happen. I mean, he was probably getting ready. And then they said, no, we cut that well, you know, was Joey Jones.

[Phil Robertson]

Who's thinking it was Triple J? Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And so anyway, it never happened. But the reason I sold that about Phil is because, you know, I said, you know what he would have said if that happened. Because here's it. We're going to do a tribute for you, you know, we're going to announce your new show, the new season. It's exciting. I could hear Phil said, you know what? He would have said that.

[Zach Robertson]

What do you say?

[Jase Robertson]

He would have said that bunch. Yeah, because he. I mean, that's just pitiful. I mean, we got all ready to go here, this bunch, you know, so any. Anyway, no hard feelings. It's part of what they call show business life. But I am proud of the show and if you want to watch it, there's probably a couple new episodes out there.

[Zach Robertson]

I'm seeing it all over my Instagram feed, so they're definitely marketing it.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And I mean, it's just the nature of live tv. You know, things happen and look, I'm not. I mean, I realized there's a war going on, so I was wondering why we were doing it in the first place. You know, even though I think it was like day three or four of it. But I mean, they were just. Because we brought that up in the, in the talks, I was like, well, are you sure this is the right thing to be, you know, doing while there's a war going on. But so we were, we were only upset that we got that far down the rabbit hole of, you know, a ruined Sunday and getting up early, you know, so it happens.

[Zach Robertson]

Well, they, they, they tried to contact me during the. I did a couple of news hits during the storm that hit here, but then I, after they canceled the first one, then try to probably schedule six more with me. I'm like, I'm not getting up at 5am to do a news hit. Yeah, well, that was knowing that that's about a 20 chance that you're gonna bump me for something else. I said, yeah, if it's. That if it's like mid morning, I'm open, you know. But that, that's a hard.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, that's what it was. The whole Jay's is right. It's the sausage making process. We used to say the worst ask in the world is to ask one of our friends to be an extra on the duck show. Because that meant all day filming for about two and a. You walking by in the background or.

[Jase Robertson]

You might not even make it. I've told this story before. The former mayor of Monroe. We actually not just filmed a little clip. Two whole scenes that he was involved in and was gracious with his time. And they were funny scenes. I mean, he went and shot Skeet with my niece Sadie, and then somewhere in the cutting room floor. Those scenes never made it.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

To the air. And he. You know, I saw him one time at an event, and he was like, hey, whatever happened to me, Duck Man? I was like, what do you mean, what happened to you? I was thinking, because he was no longer the mayor, so I thought I didn't have anything to do with that. I didn't know what he was talking about.

[Phil Robertson]

He's like, I don't live in Mudra.

[Jase Robertson]

He's like, no, those scenes I did. They were. They. I watched them all. I was never shown. And I was like, you weren't? I mean, I wasn't aware. And I said, hey, welcome to show business. For whatever reason, they just ran something else. I mean, there's. I keep thinking, whatever happened to the footage, like, of. There's many missing scenes, including, I know, at least one entire episode that was never aired. And I'm like, is that going to be, like, when we're all dead and gone, Somebody comes up and it's like the lost Duck Dynasty episodes? You know, I think it's an interesting question.

[Zach Robertson]

I've got a ton of footage. Not Doug Dynasty, but I've got a ton of stuff out. I mean, just like that stuff I found with Phil. I'm going through, looking at all that, thinking, my goodness, I have hours of content that have never. That's never been released.

[Phil Robertson]

We did. We did. We did about 15 or 20 podcasts with me, with me, dad and Dan.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, I'm sure they'll surface somewhere.

[Phil Robertson]

Dan the Butler Lost episodes I forgot.

[Zach Robertson]

About because at the beginning of the Unashamed podcast, Jason wasn't involved.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Zach Robertson]

It was you.

[Jase Robertson]

That sounds like. I chose not to. I didn't know you were.

[Phil Robertson]

No, no, no, it was.

[Zach Robertson]

No, actually, the first one I. We just watched, and it was good, but it was like, this is going to get old quick. We need more interaction.

[Jase Robertson]

So you're basically saying I'm a guest that never left.

[Zach Robertson]

It's just kind of true.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, I'm a host that never left because I would. I was just a producer. I was just kind of helping out because I wasn't sure dad could do it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, to tie up that story about the lost Duck Dynasty episodes, what probably happened. This is just my theory, conspiracy theory is, you know, we had this problem when we were filming our duck movies for years, you know, that people still watch. I guess they still find VCR somewhere, because I think they were vhs, but somehow they got on the Internet, so, I don't know, they somehow transitioned them digitally.

[Phil Robertson]

They would do that. Jason.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, what I was going to say, some of the greatest scenes that ever happened when we were filming that, the cameraman had his camera on, and then when the action started, he turned it off. In essence, not recording. And so when we get back to watch the footage, it was just a gray screen of nothing. So, I mean, that could even happen. You know, they might have had camera problems or what. Who know? You know, you don't know what. You don't know. So there's. There's probably a reason those episodes didn't. Because they were, you know, I mean, there's not. I thought they were good, good episodes. They just. They just.

[Zach Robertson]

It's a brutal process, that. One of my worst memories is the family reunion episode of Duck Dynasty where we all showed up at K and Phil's house for a family reunion and a wrestling match, and it was so cold. And I mean, that was.

[Jase Robertson]

That was shown. Yeah, they aired that. It was brutal.

[Zach Robertson]

They aired it, but, I mean, but it was. It was. To your point on the. If you come on the set, you know, production is a hard thing.

[Jase Robertson]

It's a.

[Zach Robertson]

It's a brutal process, but we got. We got a lot of good stuff out there. This is easy. What we do here's easy because we just get here and talk about the Bible.

[Jase Robertson]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

With what we do anyways, it's easy for us. Maddie, Matt. Disagree, but we'll leave that for another day.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

So I want to get back to the discussion that we started and talking about the Son of Man, which we. We got into a little bit deeper on the last podcast. We're still kind of fleshing. This thought is so rich because to me, it's such a great tide. And by the way, where we're headed in John 10 is then a whole new picture that's very Old Testament driven. So I think that's the reason John is working all this in to his narrative that Jesus says this because he's going to go from Son of Man to shepherd in the next one. Jason, that's all over the Old Testament as well.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, exactly. And I just wanted to interject. We did John a few years ago. I think it was the first book that we did.

[Phil Robertson]

It was actually the first book we did.

[Jase Robertson]

And what's on the Unashamed podcast, what's different is we're looking at it this time with more of that Old Testament history. So if you hadn't figured that out by now, that's what we're doing. Which is really brings a lot of stuff to light because I'm pretty sure the first time through, we just read the verse that, okay, do you believe in the Son of man? And so what we tried to do on the last three rabbit holes is to really look into what that means, because when you realize it, you come out of that rabbit hole ready to run through a wall for the Lord on this earth now. And I wanted to, before you give us just the practical applications, Al I had just yesterday, a buddy of mine, Chad the nurse man, I think we've talked about him before. He had an interesting conversation with a fellow about Jesus. And he called me because we're setting up a Bible study. But the question he asked, because what happened was, you know, here he is, a guy asking him a question about Jesus. Well, he just wasn't, you know, you don't have that happen very often. And so then he kind of started looking back on what he said. So he called me and he's like, what should I have said? Or he was asking my opinion, like when you have these conversations come up. But the guy asked this question, which I thought was really interesting, and I wrote it down so I'd get it right. He asked the question, how do I know for sure who Jesus was historically? Which I told Chad, it's a compliment when you're living a life where someone that you don't know very well comes, reaches out to you and asks you this question. That was the first thing I did. I was like, look, I no longer believe in accidental arrangements and encounters with people, because I think that's what God uses us to do. And so he said, I didn't really know where to go off the top of my head. And I thought what he did was fine. But when I heard that question to go in with our study, I said, I think if someone would have asked me that specific question, question, how do I know? Because he's asking about Jesus, who he was is historically accurate. I said I would have had to bring up at some point what about who Jesus is. We've been studying about I am. And I said, because those kind of questions come from God being a million miles away, or he was here a long time ago. And presently people tend to view, especially in America, that God's out there somewhere, a long ways away. And so I was just gonna bring that to light. All this Son of Man and this Kingdom stuff and Jesus at the right hand of God, I mean, he's ruling now and we have his spirit. And therefore, since we have surrendered to the King, we are his ambassadors here on Earth. Which gets into that verse when Jesus prayed, I pray that your kingdom come on Earth as it is in heaven. And I believe that's happening because we're following the King.

[Phil Robertson]

There's a lot of global conversation going on right now, a lot of things happening around the world. It's very important for us to always remember that our jobs is to spread Jesus around the world. That's going to make the biggest difference in One Kingdom, which is the global ministry of our WFR church, which obviously is meaningful to Jace and to me and to Zachary, because we've been a part of One Kingdom for a very long time. Zach, when you guys had the big storm up there in Suwannanoa and Black Mountain, One Kingdom was. Was right there on the scene.

[Zach Robertson]

That's right. They've been a tremendous help up here. We're still. We have an ongoing mission with them right now.

[Phil Robertson]

And Jase, you and I have been a part of trips in the past.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's right. I mean, we've been all over the world trying to get Jesus out, and that's what they're all about.

[Phil Robertson]

So One Kingdom is about sharing Jesus, speaking Jesus, showing Jesus, and that's showing people the grace of Christ. One Kingdom has over 100 Miss Mission partners in over 40 countries around the world. They've been a great blessing for many years. And they're using technology to get the gospel out. YouTube, podcasts, social media. So if you're ready to share the gospel, maybe you don't have the background we had of, you know, sharing a meal of fish around a table and then sharing Jesus. And this is something that you can do to put your efforts into worldwide evangelism and discipleship. You can go to onekingdom.org to donate. Today, 100% of the donations go to actual work. It's not overhead. That's one kingdom o n e kingdom.org check them out. And I love how you make that. Those. Those spiritual conversations that you. You can have wherever you run into people or you have those opportunities. I was wearing this shirt that I'm wearing today on the podcast. If you're watching on YouTube, it says speak Jesus. Which is a. It was a theme one year from our one Kingdom Sunday. And I was checking out in the line here at the local grocery store and Gulf Shores, and I said something about. She's asked me where I'm from, which is typical because there's so many tourists down here. And I said, well, I'm from Louisiana. I said, but I have some property here, and we live here, too. And then she looked up at me and she said, are you one of those Duck Dynasty people? Which is the way she framed it. And I was like, yeah, I'm what's left of one of them. Yeah. And she said, I knew it. I recognized your voice, and I saw you had Speak Jesus on your shirt. I knew you had to be one of those people. And I thought, man, what an ultimate compliment that you would be a Jesus person, you know, just because of something you wear or something you want. And then we had a great conversation, as we're checking out, about that.

[Zach Robertson]

The. The reach is broad. We had a lady come in from California, from la, and she said she found our podcast during COVID Her sister lives on a hippie commune here in Asheville, so she was in town visiting her. Her sister, but she had. I mean, just totally turned her life into Jesus. Said, I listen to Yalls podcasts. Every single one I started back in 2020. I've caught up. And she's in a great church there, and it was kind of encouraging just to hear, you know, just the. The tentacles. She said, now there's not a lot of people like y' all in la. She did tell me that. I don't know if that's shocking to y' all or not, but. But I think those I Speak Jesus people, they're all over the country. So it's kind of.

[Phil Robertson]

It's always fun, and it's fun to be able to find them. So. So let me. Let me kind of take what we've been talking about the last couple of podcasts, because we did quite the deep search on this idea of Son of Man.

[Jase Robertson]

And.

[Phil Robertson]

But, Jason, at the very beginning of the discussion, you. You brought something very interesting that I didn't realize till you asked us the two things that Jesus referred to himself. One was the Son of Man, which we just did a deep dive on the other one was, and I've always looked at, in a practical sense, that it just boils down to Jesus being God. And that's what the I am part of that means, is he is God, he and the Father one, which comes up a lot in this text. And then he. But he is, he is us. He is also man and humanity. And so one of the texts that I didn't know if you were going to bring it up or not was Hebrews 2, where the Hebrew writer who goes back and does so much of this Old Testament shadows and things that brings it forward. He directly addresses this idea about the Son of Man. And here's the way he put it in Hebrews 2, 5. It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come about which we are speaking, but there is a place where someone has testified and then he's going to quote Psalm 8 and he says same thing. What is man, that you are mindful of him, the Son of man, that you care for him. So this is again a prophetic passage about this coming Son of Man. You made him a little lower than the angels. You crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet. And then it goes on to describe the rest of that text with some other Old Testament references. And then of course, the part at the end of that chapter, he says, since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their hair humanity, so that by his death he might destroy him who was the power over death. So in a very practical way, you understand that the. When he refers to himself as the Son of Man, he's saying, I came here to live and to be one of you and to give my life for you so that you may have eternal life. So I mean, it's just the super practical side of that's really what it meant all along.

[Jase Robertson]

I think that's a great point. And I was going to make a point, you know, during the Son of Man rabbit hole, that there's not a lot of references after the Gospels, but that is one of them. And when you read Psalm 110, I was going to bring up, you know, what, what he said in Hebrews 2. And I just wanted to read a couple verses in Psalm 110 because I didn't realize how it kind of hyperlinked up until you read that. But just listen. I'll pick three verses out of Psalm 110. The first verse says, the Lord says to my Lord. This is David saying, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. Well, you just read that in Hebrews 2. Well, you know what Psalm 110, 4 says, the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind. You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. Well, where's that at? That's in Hebrews 6 and 7, where it's impossible for God to lie. And the reason Jesus came to be priests and a representative, it was not based on a regulation. It's one of my favorite verses in the Bible, but it says it was based on the fact of having an indestructible life. And then in Psalm 110 and verse 5, it says, the Lord is at your right hand. He will crush kings on the day of his wrath. He will judge the nations. And so, I mean, you see this judgment, you see this at the right hand of God. You see why he's our priest, you see why he became a human. And the only other verse I wanted to mention, and I think it's very powerful after the Gospels, is you remember when Stephen was stoned after he kind of went through the whole idea of who Jesus is and that he didn't live in temples built by hands, you know, implying that he was the temple. And he's like, y' all can't even keep the law, and so they stone him. And I want to just read this. This is Acts 7, 56. And this is right, or I'll read 55. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, which it all goes back to this, Daniel 7 and the exalted. In verse 56, look, he said, I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God. Which is incredible because now this is post death, burial and resurrection. This is post Jesus referring to himself as the son of man 80 to 100 times. And Stephen, he's still making that connection, that.

[Zach Robertson]

Look, that's a good point.

[Jase Robertson]

The Son of Man, and he wasn't just sitting, he was standing, which is the only time that's ever mentioned in the entire Bible. And you can make the practical applications of that. But I mean, you can't help but think when somebody is willing to give their life for Jesus, it makes Jesus stand up and take notice. And I just think it's very powerful. And that's why we wanted to go down the rabbit hole, because you just realize how powerful this is, right now that you're surrendered to the King of Kings. I have a Mission to do, I have a job to do. I mean, let's go.

[Zach Robertson]

Which I think that Acts 7 passage where Stephen says, I see the Son of man standing at the right hand of the Father. I think that's what he's talking about in Mark 13. And they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. I think that's what he's talking about. Again, we want to associate everything with the end times. When a lot of what's happening in the Gospels is a lot of it. Most of it is more about the kingdom that's coming right now, the end.

[Jase Robertson]

Times in the Old Testament. That's why I pointed that out in Daniel too. That phrase was used as Jesus coming to earth and then what he was going to do. Like the Old Testament, when you go from Hebrew to Greek, it's like the same words, which is that eschatol, the end of times. So that's why people get confused and go down into so many different kind of theologies and doctrines. Because just like when you said that when you say end times, people immediately say, oh, well, that's the end of all times. But there's a lot of phrases in the Bible that use end times, as when Jesus would come, that would be the end of those times. And you have the same vein when he gives those predictions about the temple being destroyed in AD 70 and even the new heaven and new earth. Many times that phrase is used, not speaking of the very end, but it would like be a new heaven and new earth, a new world for the Jewish community. Post Jesus resurrection, right hand of God.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Well, don't underestimate adrenaline. But I would, I will agree that at some point, as our dad used to say, everything goes south, no doubt.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Zach Robertson]

That's a great caveat. But you said, you also said that if you hadn't caught on yet, the way we're going through the Book of John this time is we are, we're going back to the Old Testament references and hanging out in there. So that's why we honestly have stuck so long in John chapter nine. Because that phrase son of man, I mean, I read over for years and I, I just limited it to be, to mean, well, there's the Son of God is divineness and then there's the Son of Man, which is his humanity. But I didn't, I don't think I ever interpreted it in its full context coming out of, out of these prophets like Daniel and Ezekiel. But it really does change the way you're going to read the scripture. And so the more that you think about that question, do you believe in the Son of man? Now, every time you see that word son of man in the Gospels, you're, it's going to elicit, if you listen to the last four podcasts we've done, it's going to elicit in your mind, oh, that's that Daniel seven thing. That's what he's talking about. Well, it's going to change the way you read it.

[Phil Robertson]

It also helps you with the concept. And Jason, you and I have talked about this before of, of the power of the ascension of Jesus. You know, it's kind of one of those lost elements of his story a lot of times in people's minds because they think, well, he just left and you know, we're just waiting around till hopefully he'll come back instead of saying, wait a minute, we now belong in the other realm because he brought that realm to us as the Son of Man. I mean, that, that really changes your whole perspective on. On living for the kingdom while you're here, which is part of that practicality that we just mentioned there. I mean, he was made like us in every way. And so when you see that moment in Acts 7, you're seeing the moment of Stephen looking up and saying, we belong now because of the Son of Man, even at the point of death, because they were about to kill him and he knew it.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, right. And I wanted to say this. I've been wanting to say this for four podcasts. So if you don't, if you haven't listened to the three before this, go back and listen to them and then fast forward to this point, because it's not going to do any good unless you've listened to the last three. You like how I'm doing this, Matty? I'm trying to create viewers for you because I want to make this segue. And Al, you tried to do it, because we're going to go to John 10, and I just want to read something in John 10 that we will. That we're going to get to. But. So this is one of the I am statements. This is John 10:11. He says, Jesus says, I am the good shepherd. And you're like, oh, yeah, well, isn't that, you know, the Lord is my shepherd. You immediately think, Psalm 23:23.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

But look, if you go back and realize the whole reason we're doing this Son of Man thing, when John the Baptist saw Jesus, you remember what he said in chapter one?

[Phil Robertson]

He said, look, the Lamb of God.

[Jase Robertson]

Look, the Lamb of God. Well, so some of you who may be new to this, well, you're like, well, which is it? Is he a lamb or is he a shepherd? And I think that's why he zeroed in on the Son of Man idea, is because what you read in Hebrews 2, he became a human. So when you go to Hebrews 4, it's like we have a shepherd who. A priest who's been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin. So he's able to help those. What's crazy about this is God wanted you to see in Jesus that he became a man. My son became a human. And it's a fascinating thought. God became a human. And why? Because he would. You know, it shows his humility. We went through those three things, those kind of three legs. He would suffer and die and give his life, you know, because he loves us. For God so loved the world that he sent his son and he would turn out to be a lamb that was sacrificed. But it's like, well, he's a sheep, he became a sheep. And you just go study the characteristics of being of what a sheep is. And it's quite revealing to see the comparison to way humans are. But then he's the shepherd also exalted. So I just think it's. What would you call that? It's, it's an illustration that he's using that has a lot of thought provoking material for you, you know, to wrap your head around who God is and.

[Phil Robertson]

Remember the context of what we're talking about here is people who should know better. We said this from Nicodemus in John 3, because now he's talking about spiritual blindness in our context. And he was like, you claim you can see, but you can't see. And then all this evidence is there. Another one that we didn't even get into, which we've talked about before, which I've always thought was really powerful, was the two different genealogies, you know, in Matthew 1 you see the one that, that goes from Abraham down to Joseph, kind of that royal lineage. You know that through the promise, which is kind of that I am promise. But then you get over in Luke 3 and you see the link to Adam, which, which I believe it goes back through Mary's line, which is physical line because he didn't really have a father on earth.

[Jase Robertson]

Earth.

[Phil Robertson]

And it goes all the way back to Adam. But it shows you that he's always been prepared both as our king but also as a man to do what he did. And there's just, there's so many pictures. It's hard to believe it was missed in the first century when it was missed. But that's the point of the end of John chapter nine.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, right.

[Zach Robertson]

And when you get into John 10, it really is a perfect kind of segue of the, of the argument that Christ is making when he asks the question, do, do you believe in the Son of Man? Because the picture that he's painting there is a picture of sovereignty, power. What you say, well, is it just a submission to him? Is he just, is he just saying, do you believe that I'm in control? Bow down before me? Is it like that? Kind of like, like, is that the vibe he's going. I don't think it is. Because if you read John, John 10, he's going to make the argument. He switches from Son of Man to shepherd. I'm actually. First he says I'm the, I'm the gate. Which is kind of interesting. I'M the gate and I'm. And I'm the shepherd and I'm the lamb. It's like, it's like all of it. He's like all pieces of it, right?

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Robertson]

But when he makes his argument in John 10, he's actually saying that, that you want the shep. You don't, you don't want just a hired hand. You need the guy in charge. You want the son of man. Because whoever's running the show, you want him to run the show. Because if he's running the show, that means he owns the sheep. Sheep. And if he owns the sheep, that means he cares about, he really cares. And he's invested in the sheep. It's just like when, when I go to a restaurant here, Jill and I have figured this out. If you go to a restaurant that is owner operated and the owner is there the majority of the time that the restaurant is operating, the quality of food, the quality of service, the quality of the experience is going to be a thousand times better than if somebody just owns it, but they never show up and it's just ran by somebody else. It's just, it's just not the same. Anytime that the owner is present in the actual operation, everything's better because he's really. Or he or she, they're very invested in it. And I think that's the point he's going to be making in John 10, is that you need to be glad that Jesus is in charge. Because the one that's in charge, guess what? It's owner operated.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Robertson]

He's going to be involved.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, to make a stock market portfolio segue application, you're like, wait, what? One of the prerequisites when you're choosing companies, because it's very hard to do and I, everybody knows I do my own, but that when a company is founder led, that is top 10. The qualities in my companies that I bought, as far as the best companies, a lot of them are founder led because they're not only are they invested, then you look and they just, they own like tons of shares. And I'm like, this guy has got his hat turned around backwards here. That's not a business to him. He's like, I'm all in. Well, you know what? I'm with you, buddy. You know, let's get on this. I'll buy a few shares and see where we go. Because I just know that, you know, he's not going to do anything that's going to jeopardize the quality of this company. He's giving it all he's got, you know, so there's your stock dip.

[Zach Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's like, you know, somebody's asked me what, you know, what's the secret to being a great duck hunter? And I always go back to the ducks themselves. I'm like, when I teach somebody how to blow a duck call, I'm like, the way to learn is not to watch a YouTube video try to imitate somebody. You go find some ducks and you listen to them. And so when you think about what makes Jesus the great shepherd, well, he became one of the sheep and lived it. And so I'm like, give me a shepherd who used to be a sheep. Which in our minds, well, that's not possible. But in the world of humanity, God made it possible. God became a human. I mean, so you don't think he knows what it is. That's why I looked. And I know we'll get into this into detail. When you look at, you know, sheep, they can almost see, like a duck, which I found fascinating.360. But they're seeing so much. Guess what? They have a tendency to wonder. And they. They don't have a sense of direction because they're driven by, you know, real nice patches of green grass, you know, and so you'll read articles where a thousand sheep. There was over a thousand sheep that fell off a cliff to their death because they were all following who? You know, the sheep that was leading them took them to a cliff and they all just went off. You know, they don't. Even though they thought they could see because they can see incredibly well, but they tend to follow a leader and in temptations and things, you know, next thing you know, they're falling off a clif to their death. You know, so there's a lot in the Bible about sheep illustrations. Think Luke 15. And you get into these at the end of it, you know, when he's talking about finding his lost sheep and carrying it, you know, you're like, well, why. Why would he put it on his shoulders and carry it? Because they don't have a sense of direction. You know, you look up, they're. They're. They're headed back out. But at the end of that, what the point I wanted to make, when it got to the sons, he got down to the end and was like, we have to celebrate. Because this law. He was lost, the son was lost, and he's found. He was dead and he was alive. Well, that takes us Back to John 9. You remember what his overwhelming argument for following Jesus and taking up for him was? He was like, I was blind. But now I can see. I mean, that was the big statement. Just when you think of all the transformational statements in the Bible. And that's why we went down that rabbit hole, because Jesus is the ultimate shepherd, because he knows us better than anybody. And to transform us would take someone like him, God in human form, saying, follow me and I'll lead you.

[Zach Robertson]

That's also the conclusion of the argument that broke out in John 10 when they got to arguing again. They were saying, jesus is demon possessed. This guy. What's he talking about? Shepherd and gates, and he's possessed by a demon. And a fierce argument broke out among the Jews, and a lot of them are like, demon can't make somebody unblind. They can't heal the blind. So that that power of God displayed for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, pun intended, they'll receive the power of God, and they'll submit to that because they'll see it as good.

[Phil Robertson]

And here's what he said, Zach. He said, do you believe in the Son of Man? And ultimately, the man who now could see said, I believe. I mean, that's the answer. Looking for. Let me re. Let me read the first 21 verses. I'm gonna read the first half because we don't have much time left in this podcast. I'm just going to introduce it, and then we'll get into this on the next one. Because you can see the transition out of this idea of spiritual blindness. Jesus says in chapter 10, verse one, I tell you the truth. The man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and he leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them and his sheep following because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger. In fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice. So Jesus just goes right into a parable about sheep. And then John gives us this little thought. In verse 6, Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them. So again, the parable's gotten past his audience. So Jesus says, again, I tell you the truth. I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will Be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life and have it to the full. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. Sheep Zach, there's your analogy. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. And now he says again, I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep, and my sheep know me, just as the father knows me. And I know the Father. And I lay down my life for the sheep.

[Zach Robertson]

Sheep.

[Phil Robertson]

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. Oh, I wonder who that is. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice. And there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority. Authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from the Father. At These words, verse 19, the Jews were again divided. Many of them said, he is demon possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him? But others said, these are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind? And then there'll be a whole second segment to this. But I thought, at least in that first segment, you get the idea that you see the transition. Transition back to the previous discussion, because they're still in that moment of, like, who's blind, who can see? What's he talking about? And then he just goes right into this next analogy, which is fascinating.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's a fascinating analogy because he's shepherd in the flock and in their culture, they were. Everyone was real familiar with that. I mean, I think in the next podcast, we need to do a breakdown of sheep in general because it's fascinating. I've already looked at it. It's so fascinating. And you know why he picked it? Pick sheep to have this analogy. Just the odd facts about sheep.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, Jace, there's almost as much, when I was kind of doing a deep dive on, there's almost as much about the idea of shepherds and God using that reference to himself in the Old Testament, Yahweh being a shepherd, that it's that same kind of idea that you see from the son of Man. It's no wonder that he shifted over to that, because it's all over the Old Testament Testament about shepherds and sheep.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And the one theme that you just by reading that whole section, I mean, how many times did he say he lays down his life for the sheep? Over and over. And I love the fact that he says, you know, kind of a. Let me be clear. No one takes it from me. But I'm laying this down on my own accord. And I have authority to lay it down, an authority to take it up again. And the father's the one that gave him that authority.

[Phil Robertson]

No, that's good. And we, and we've described this as a very hostile situation that's ongoing. But he's telling them clearly what's coming. So we'll, we'll pick this up. A lot of great stuff to come on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.