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Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1124 | Miss Kay Spends a Lovely Day With Her Fans & When Should Christians ‘Fight the Power’?
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Phil Robertson
I am unashamed.
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Jase Robertson
What about you? Welcome back to unashamed. We are here in studio. Jay's excited. We had a big event.
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Phil Robertson
Big. It was pretty big.
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Jase Robertson
Pretty big.
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Phil Robertson
It's hard to get a. Get the numbers because you saw it. That was your first time?
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Jase Robertson
My first time there. Super exciting. People were super excited to be there. There was a huge crowd at church as well at wfr. And I was preaching, which just happened to all line up great.
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Phil Robertson
I'm glad you were, because we took Ms. K and we watched your sermon, which was intriguing. She lit up like a Christmas tree when you gave her a shout out.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, I gave her a little shout out.
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Zach Dasher
You took her. So she was live, in person at the church?
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Jase Robertson
No, she was at Jason Missy's house.
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Phil Robertson
She was live and in person at my house.
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Jase Robertson
They were resting up for the big event.
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Phil Robertson
Well, the third time through, I realized Jay's preached.
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Jase Robertson
Last Sunday, he told me he'd never do that again. Well, the last year, that was too much.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, the last year it was too close. Well, you gotta remember. Here's what. Let me just tell you this. Let me tell you what happened. What had happened was my daughter organized the worship and she's done that the.
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Jase Robertson
Other two years too, which I hated. I missed that. That's right before the fireworks. I know, it was fantastic. But I was on Mom Dud. Get mom home. So.
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Phil Robertson
But what happens is. And this has happened three years in a row, so you got to factor this in. They meet up. I mean, like one guy, the lead singer for the. For their little. For their worship was he. He drove in from Nashville, you know, but other friends of theirs who sing and they. They. They got a little crew because I.
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Jase Robertson
Could hear people playing, like the whole time I was there. Was that part of that group or is that somebody different?
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Phil Robertson
I don't know the answer because there.
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Jase Robertson
Was like, music going. The who. They were like little camps all around your property.
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Phil Robertson
Could have very well been. Yeah, but so. But they all stay at my house during four days. So, I mean. And it's a bunch of them. So.
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Jase Robertson
So you were dashered over the. Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
What his version is.
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Jase Robertson
Well, this is a call that being.
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Phil Robertson
But. So what happened was on Saturday night, there was probably 40 to 50 of them that just came from everywhere, and they just had a worship night together. Not. Not because they were practicing for anything. I mean, it went on for hours.
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Jase Robertson
Because they like to worship.
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Phil Robertson
Missy and I were in the bedroom just listening. You know, she's like, this is really good. I said, yeah, a bunch of 20, 20 year olds, strong voices, but multiple ones are. We're staying at my house. So like when I got home, oh, that was just starting because now they're all fired up because you have five or six of them that participated in it. But then there's others who have just come in because they're all friends. And so they started firing Bible questions to me. Good questions, like, let's go. So that went on till about two in the morning and Missy checked out about midnight. She's like, this is great, we're going to win the world for Jesus. But I'm going to have to get some sleep before then.
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Jase Robertson
Go dream about this.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, it was kind of funny when she left, but. But they're filled with energy. And I got up this morning, look, I was stunned. They were all up and here we go again. You know, and I was, I mean, they're really excited.
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Jase Robertson
So they're in camp mode because camp mode you don't get any sleep.
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Phil Robertson
Some of them were from camp and. But they just, they were asking the right questions and so, yeah, it was really exciting.
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Jase Robertson
So we have a few leftovers here in our studio audience today from.
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Phil Robertson
Oh yeah, we have a studio audience.
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Jase Robertson
Forest is here and his brother in law, Doug. And Forrest was a guy that he sent me a note and said he had been in a terrible accident and God had spared him and he wanted to get baptized. He'd wondered if I'd baptized him and he was going to come down here when he got well enough. And I was like, well, where do you live? You know, he sent me an email and he said, Oklahoma City. I was like, what? Next weekend? I'm 20 minutes away. And so we met at a building down there and I baptized him. And now he's up doing great, walking around. So far it's welcome. Then also we got Doug and Trina, some good friends of mine from Indiana that come to the marriage retreat every year. I'll say this, Jay, it's one of the things that impacted me the most about the event because I talked to a lot of people at WFR Sunday and then a lot of people at the event. So I was just meeting people and hearing stories. And Zach, I mean, the stories of the people about the impact of the podcast was touching. I mean, it was just story after story after story. So many different facets of their lives that have been turned around. Of course, a lot of them or you know, started with dad, obviously, you know, in appreciation of him, but just, I mean, every area you can imagine that People's lives had been changed and different things that they had struggled with and how we had helped guide them to this closer walk with Christ. It was. It was super humbling to me to hear story after story after story. It was just.
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Zach Dasher
Did most of the people there. Were they. People that. They all listened to the podcast?
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Jase Robertson
Would you say yes when I asked?
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Phil Robertson
I asked.
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Jase Robertson
And I mean, like, when I was speaking right before Jerry spoke at the. It was kind of toward the end, but almost everybody. But a lot of people had drifted over, and I'd say 90% of the hands went up that they were.
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Phil Robertson
Oh, you were talking about when I spoke. I spoke twice.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, I was talking about that last thing.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, we do like, every 30 minutes. I think Missy calls it porch talk, gospel on the porch, something like that. So you just share the gospel. What's. What's crazy is people literally respond because there's a. They have a ton of water. Some of these people are, you know, some of them that show up, they never. They're not in a. Affiliated with a church or, you know, and they hear about Jesus and they. They're, you know, they surrender. And some of them. I mean, they're ready to be baptized. So we had over 50 that happened.
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Jase Robertson
There, and we had a couple of our Celebrate Recovery guys that were manning the baptism booth. And Martin, I noticed Martin was the.
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Phil Robertson
Well, Martin volunteered. Well, you. Your presence and. And sa. And k. And. And Martin, you know, that was real. I was really happy.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, yeah, mom made an appearance, Zach. She was there and she loved it. She loved it. She told me going home, she was. I am so glad we did that. I feel great, because I was kind of a little bit worried getting her out in the heat and everything, but she was fantastic. Loved it. Loved meeting folks. And she just said, I'm so glad. She said, I would have just been sitting here on this chair watching the FBI or whatever she watches. And she said, I was glad to get out there and meet some folks.
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Phil Robertson
Well, last. So when I was given mine out about every five minutes, because they set up the little Baptistry over there and they have some chairs around it, you know, for the family. But every five minutes, you'd hear that kawoosh while I was talking. Yeah, I was like, I think this is the first time that while we're sharing the Jesus, the backdrop was people being baptized. So that was pretty.
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Jase Robertson
Well, when I was leaving, I was, Mom. They were putting mom in my truck. And so I was heading across the way and talking to the last people along the Way. And a guy came up and, I mean, he was so overcome with emotion. He just. He couldn't hardly speak and he was crying. And I said, well, what can I do for you? And he said. He said, would you baptize me? He said, you know, I've been listening all day about Jesus. I've never been baptized. I said, well, of course I will. That's why we're here. So on the way to the truck, I literally went over and this. This young man and his family was all there with him, and he was just weeping. I mean, you know, that. That moved by Jesus. And so it was just a great reminder about. That's what it's all. And what I love about Missy's idea about the event is it celebrates, obviously around the 4th of July. We talk about freedom and independence, but when we talk about true freedom, it's dependence on God. So I just love the idea of how that switches around.
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Phil Robertson
Well, you gave your sermon from Joshua 3, Joshua 5. Yes. And it was kind of similar to my second speech was. So what we do is after. After we finish all the, I guess, festivities, the gospel on the porch, there's booths and there's even.
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Jase Robertson
Make it tomorrow.
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Phil Robertson
Well, I didn't either, because. But there's. It's. Think, think like a fair. But it's like all good things.
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Jase Robertson
Well, you know, family told me, Jason said, you know, my kids wanted to go to an amusement park for their summer vacation. We were like, amusement park? We're going to do something Jesus centered. And so they came down for that.
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Phil Robertson
They found an amusement park.
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Jase Robertson
They did. It was an amusement park for Jesus.
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Phil Robertson
There was a lot of things to amuse there. And so. But then everybody, because they get set up for the fireworks, then we do them with the. The. I say, kids, they're 20 to 22. Can we call them kids? I guess. So they did the work. I mean, it's kind of short. They do about five songs maybe. And. But it was. They were spectacular. I mean, Mia is definitely knows how to draw the talent. I mean, those. Those. This guy leading the song, I mean, I was like, you can sing this song. I mean, the phone book, you know, I mean, it was. It was incredible. And so then I give a little. What's that, 15 minutes. But at 12, Missy's like, do not go over 8:45. Because we have our fireworks guy in the background.
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Jase Robertson
He's on cue, right?
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Phil Robertson
Well, right. She's like, the timing of this, you know. And so I stopped at 8:44. And so. And then I But I talked similarly of what you talked about, right? Because I was like America. I told a story about me finding this coin. I don't know if I've ever shared this story, but we were in Virginia. They filmed it for Duck Family Treasure, which by the way, they just released a bunch of new episodes on there if you want to check it out on Fox Nation. But I told the story that I found this coin and I thought it was a Spanish coin, which I, I said in the, in the beginning of my speech, the 12 minute one, I was like, people have been gathering up here in my yard since the 1700s.
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Zach Dasher
So summertime is here. And one of my earliest memories of kind of like not sleeping good in the summertime was when I was in Calhoun, Louisiana at Camp Chioka with no AC in the cabins. Can you guys testify to what I'm talking about?
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Jase Robertson
Zach, there was a no saying back in those days that hell was three degrees hotter than Camp Choka. So I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what was said.
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Phil Robertson
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Zach Dasher
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Phil Robertson
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Phil Robertson
And I said, I know that because there was a big group sitting under this cypress tree in my view on the left. I said, I found a 1760 Spanish real coin under that tree right there. And so when you think about it, that is kind of crazy. Which we became, you know, a nation. 1776.
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Jase Robertson
Right.
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Phil Robertson
And they started building that house in, you know, 1800.
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Jase Robertson
People start digging around a little around them when you see.
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Phil Robertson
I'm sure they were thinking, oh, I may be sitting on some treasure. But so what I was saying, though is, you know, and now, I mean, at that time, America was becoming a nation. And so because we're doing this, you know, it's faith, family, freedom, you know, we talk about our country. And I kind of went. I quoted. I was going to read the Declaration of Independence, but there was so many phones there that my phone would not load. So that's why, you know, I should have written that down. So I kind of butchered it. I got, I think, all the words in, but I got them out of order because I was thinking off the top of my head, I was like, wasn't planning on quoting the Declaration of Independence, but because you remember, our dad used to do that in his speeches. Of course. He would say, you know, that we're life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You know, all men are created.
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Jase Robertson
Thomas Jefferson.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, but he's like, and you know what makes me happy? Shooting ducks. And so people would chuckle, you know, but his whole point was that we were endowed. It was written, the foundation of our country. And this Declaration of Independence was like that we're endowed by our creator with certain for the person of rights. And even the paragraph before on why they were breaking out from under British rule, I mean, it says so that they could go by the laws of nature. And then it says, in God's nature. And so it's all over the place in there. And he had a point, I think.
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Jase Robertson
But, Zach, you should write a movie about that.
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Phil Robertson
I should, yeah.
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Zach Dasher
National Treasure.
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Phil Robertson
But I went through that, and then I told the story about finding this coin in Virginia, and it was just the quarter of the coin, because back then, when you needed to make change, you cut the coin they didn't give you, they didn't have other coins to make up for that one? Yeah, they literally got a knife out and just cut it. So I found a quarter of a coin, and I could only see a one and a six. But I was like, is this 1600? I thought it was a Spanish Real. So I sent the picture to my historical expert because we were literally filming, and I found it on camera. But we. I was like, time out. Let me see what this is. And it turned out to be a 1651. He said, that's a 1651 Massachusetts pine shilling. But I was looking at it and I thought, well, I only see the one in the six. How do you know it's 51? Which I think is a good question.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
Why are you saying it's a 1651? Are you guessing? And he said, well, it's because this is the first minted coin in America before it was America. And the only year that Britain didn't have a king was 1651. So it would technically be legal to mint your coin because we were under British rule. So what a group of people did from Massachusetts is built their own little minting press, and they started minting that coin in 1670. From 1670 to, like, 1680. Something. I can't remember off top of my head. But they put 1651.
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Jase Robertson
Because that was.
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Phil Robertson
When I said that, I went to the crowd, I said, america, we, like, hustled the Brits in having our own.
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Jase Robertson
The first. Not the first time.
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Phil Robertson
We hustled them, like, 19 years to figure it out. They're like, why do all these coins have 1651? You know, so Britain finds it. Hey, knock it off. Which led to eventually to, you know, a little skirmish, but. And it led eventually to 1776.
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Jase Robertson
It's not the first time, Jays. We also. We slicked on the Brits on the. They were taxing the best cuts of meat. And so the shoulder roast, which is arguably the best roast on a. On a pig, they call it the Boston, but to this day. But it ain't the butt, it's the shoulder. But we did that to slick the bread. So take that, Britain. You know, we'll eat our pork shoulder.
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Phil Robertson
So I did.
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Zach Dasher
Semantics.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah. I did this thing about, you know, you know, America is. It's had its problems, and I kind of went through. Through all that. But when you visit other countries, you, like, you feel a lot better about America, right? You're like, okay. I mean, you just start thinking about when we call 9 1. 1. Somebody shows up.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
In some countries, that's not happening. I talked about the military and the first responders and firemen and kind of this. This sacrificial love that they show and that they. They're not concerned about who's in the burning building. It's just they come in there and get you out, no matter who you are.
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Jase Robertson
Well, the last podcast we did, Jay's, you and I walked next door and there were what, 25 SWAT guys.
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Phil Robertson
Exactly.
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Jase Robertson
From Alabama. And look, I could look in every one of them's face and say, these men are dedicated to their job.
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Phil Robertson
Exactly.
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Jase Robertson
They were nice, they were good guys, but at the same time, they were a business. I mean, they had just been traded. But you don't have that in a lot of places where they're that dedicated.
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Phil Robertson
So I kind of talked about, you know, the role of government where they, you know, they keep us safe, they maintain order. I mean, all the things they do, some amount of virtue, because it's the law and order.
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Jase Robertson
I'm glad you did that since. Yeah, we want to honor the holiday, too.
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Phil Robertson
Well, we did and I did, but then I made a transition. I was like, however, the freedom we have in Christ. And I said that, you know, we're a nation within a nation, and we're a holy nation. And I told the story about Jesus, the king of kings. And then I had some audience participation because I quoted. I took a daring move, Al, as far as speaking. I quoted the John 8, I think it's 36, where it says, if the sun sets you free, you shall be free indeed. So then I had the audience finish that. I said, let's try this. And so I'm like, if the sun sets you free, you will be. And then they all free indeed. And actually, from my perspective, I thought it was kind of weak, so I made them do it again. But Missy was filming it and she played it. She's like, you said it was weak, but listen to this. I was like, oh, that wasn't weak. It was pretty good. They belted it out. And so then I basically went through all the things off the top of my head that he freed us from on why we're the most powerful nation within the nation, which is, you know, freedom, liberation. I talked about every day when Trump did the terrorist thing, he says, liberation day because we're saving a few bucks from countries. And I'm like, but in Jesus, every day is liberation day.
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Jase Robertson
We live it.
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Phil Robertson
Exactly. That was kind of the sing song that I went on, which ultimately the greatest disarming freedom we get to participate is from the evil one, the evil powers, and death itself, which makes us the most powerful nation on earth, which.
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Jase Robertson
Is kind of always been my take is, you know, independence from tyranny, but then dependence on the Almighty, it's, you know, they have to go hand in hand. And the founders even knew that. They realized that those go together if you're going to have a society that works. Yeah, but, you know, we lose focus on that. Which is interesting. You brought it up that. So I was in Joshua 5:13 to 16, which was the. The first battle that the Israelite. And I say battle in quotes because the battle belongs to the Lord. Right. I mean, when they went in that first conquest, he wanted them to know, this is about your capacity and capabilities. I'm giving you this. I'm giving you this city. And so I went through the whole thing in the text. But one of the things that I. That struck me about it, and I wanted to mention this on the podcast, because I mentioned this to you, Jay, off air, was when it first starts, in verse 13 of chapter 5, it says, When Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. So you got to imagine Joshua is a military man. You remember back in Exodus 17, he was down on the valley floor fighting the battle. So this guy knows military tactics. And he sees this guy standing there with a sword, and he comes up to him and he says, are you for us or for our enemies? Which is a good question to ask if you run up on a guy with a sword and you're heading into what you think is going to be your first battle. And the man says in verse 14, neither. Which, it just stopped me in my tracks. When I first got into this text, I thought, neither.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, you did it really well. Because I thought, why would he say neither? I mean, I'm sure I've read that verse before, but I mean, it just.
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Jase Robertson
Stopped me in my tracks. And then he says, but as commander of the Lord of the army, I have now come. And so he goes into this whole process where Joshua kind of has this I am moment, Zach, when he falls flat on his face because he realizes the presence of God is there. But it got me. It struck me, my point. Well, here's my point I made. I said, God doesn't choose sides, he chooses believers. And then I use the Israel, Iran, US situation that we've been dealing with the last month as an example that God has people in all, he's working all sides of every situation. It's easy for us to pick a side and say, well, we got to go all in on destroying these people. And then you're like, but wait a minute. What if a bunch of those people were Kingdom believers like me all of a sudden? It gives me a different perspective. Look at trying to even glimpse it from God's perspective.
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Zach Dasher
So, Al, the last time I was at your house, I honestly didn't know if I was at your house or dog pounding. You got some dogs, man.
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Jase Robertson
Well, we call. We lovingly call them the girls, because they're all three girls. We got Emmy and we got Rue, and we got Libby. And it's interesting, at our house, in our compound, the girls feed the girls. So when we're not there, Anna feeds them, and when we're home, Lisa does. But recently, I find myself being the only guy there. And the girls line up like they do every morning, saying, where are my rough greens? And so they didn't. They didn't verbally tell me that, but I could tell by the way they were looking that's what they wanted. So I went out, I fixed their food. I used Rough Greens, which is a great product, Great guy that invented this. And my dogs have never been happier. So if you want to make the girls happy, get some Rough Greens.
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Jase Robertson
Yes.
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Zach Dasher
Egyptians in the mix that were exiting with the Israelites. So you. I mean, that's a precursor of this mixed ethnicity and mixed people group, the nations coming together. And I think it's important, as we think about the nation of the kingdom we're a part of, ultimately, it is a mixed bag, and it transcends all cultures. And some of the most godly people and heroic people in the Christian faith right now are in countries that would be adversaries to Jesus, that literally, like, they're under persecution. I think about, like, these Coptic Christians that were murdered. I think it was in Egypt recently. And just the amount of persecution, like, to be able to stand for the truth. We say we're unashamed, but can you imagine being in the middle of Iran and feeling the conviction of the Holy Spirit to turn your life into Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and to confess him as Lord in Iran? That's a whole other level of being unashamed. So we hold these brothers and sisters up. I think we should hold them up. It's complicated. And I'm not saying it's like an easy no.
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Jase Robertson
And that's the point. Everything has to be looked at again. You got to just imagine when God says he's in control, that means there's judgment on some people. I mean, this situation that I was preaching about, he had promised that way back in Genesis 15, 400 years earlier. And he says, when the Amorite sin reaches its full measure, judgment is coming. And that's what happened to Jericho. But there was Rahab and her family. And there's always these people of faith that are always there that God remembers. And so there's just. There's so many facets of that. So as believers, I just think we have to always move forward. And Jay's laid it out beautifully with the idea that as patriotic as we are about our country, we got to realize that God is working something far bigger than nations. That's got to be the key.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Zach Dasher
It doesn't mean that you're not. It doesn't mean that you're not patriotic. I mean, there's nothing wrong with, like, even, like, this whole thing about Christian nationalism, which is a big, like, controversial statement right now.
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Phil Robertson
Right.
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Zach Dasher
And people will ask me, are you a Christian nationalist? And I'm like, well, it depends on what you mean by that. I mean, that's a broad term, and it has a lot of definitions to it, there's nothing sinful, inherently sinful about having a national identity. I think we see that clearly in scripture, even with the introduction of the kingdom of God. I mean, Acts 2 is the best example of this. That in Acts chapter two you have people from all these different nations coming together to worship the triune God. And each one of those people in Acts chapter two, when God poured out the Holy Spirit, he did not turn them into one homogenous group. Each one heard the other speaking in his own native tongue. But he didn't give them all one language. He kept the diversity of the language. It was just the understanding that he brought. So it's not the eradication of diversity and identification as nations. And we even see this in things like, I mean, Jace, now this may have been sinful, I don't know. But Jace wore that LSU gear. He was identifying with his baseball team. That could have been idolatrous. I'm not, I don't know.
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Phil Robertson
Can I respond in a non. What was that word to use? Homogeneous. Homogeneous. I don't even know what that means.
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Jase Robertson
Can you define that?
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Zach Dasher
Everything is the same, everybody.
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Phil Robertson
Why didn't you just say that? I don't know the same. Well, the lead singer in Mia's group had an Alabama Crimson Tide hat on. And so I never said a word till after it was over. And I said, I appreciate you wearing that hat while you were saying, well, he kind of grand because he's staying at my house for the last few days, hadn't brought it up. He's worn the hat every day. I know he thought I was gonna.
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Jase Robertson
Say something, leave that hat at the door or something like that.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah. And I said, I waited to the perfect time to address that, which is now after the event is over. And look, he was looking at me.
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Zach Dasher
He'S nervous, 22 year old kid.
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Phil Robertson
What is he fixing to say? And I said, I'm glad you wore that. I was like, because you're a living example of what it means to be in Jesus. The reason I didn't say a word, I was like, because we've been talking for three days and I'm hearing you singing about, gee, I know where you're at. I was like, only in Jesus could you wear that on my property as my guest in Jesus. I was like so.
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Jase Robertson
And you're right, but to your point, Zach, it does. It unifies us in a unique way. There was a young man that I was taking picture with, he and his family and he had a razorback shirt on. And so they were joking about him wearing razors. She said, I don't know why he has to wear that down here. Y' all are LSU fans. And I said, no, no, no, we. We love Razorbacks. They're delicious. And so, you know.
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Zach Dasher
But the point is, though, like, there's nothing wrong with having an allegiance to a sports team. Now, I can tell you a scenario where it is wrong. I'm speaking of Alabama. Do you remember the guy who went to. What's the area in Auburn where they have all the oak trees? The square, it's called.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, it's right down there by the stadium. And they throw the toilet paper in the tree.
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Zach Dasher
They throw the toilet paper in the trees. And one year, this guy called in. This is happened last three, four or five years.
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Jase Robertson
That was about three or four years ago.
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Zach Dasher
Alabama fan, raging Alabama fan. He had identified that this is my team, this is my allegiance. And so he goes in, he poisons all of those trees, and then he calls up the radio station and say, hey, yeah, just poison all your trees. Roll Tide, you know, and this. And it's like, now that. Okay, now that's a. Now you've taken the identity too far, and you've elevated your allegiance to Alabama football to a place where now it's idolatrous and sinful, but it's not simple in and of itself. And I think that when we think about identity and national identity, I think plays into this as well, as well as all of our. Even our identity as a male. I'm a male, Jill's a female. Whatever your sexual identity is, too, all of that is stacked. Your identity is layered. And what happens is when you take that layer and you move one of those things of your identity and you move it to a more primary position where it shouldn't be, it can't support the weight of everything above it, so it collapses in on itself. And when that happens, it will keep collapsing all the way down to the bottom until it will completely just eradicate the self. And I think that's what we've seen in our culture in the last several years on this conversation of identity. And to take this back to the fourth of July and the Founding Fathers, what they understood, and I don't know if it was necessarily they understood this from a spiritual perspective. Some of them did, some of them didn't. But they certainly understood it from a pragmatic position that the core of human identity has to be Genesis, chapter 1, verse 26 and 27. When God said, let us make man in our image, he created them both. Male and female. So the core of your identity is actually that you're made in the image of God, which is called the imago DEI made in God's image. And that was actually the anchor for the American system. The entire system wasn't predicated on America first. It wasn't. Shocker. I mean, it wasn't. The entire American system was predicated on that. Man's made in the image of God first. That was Thomas Jefferson's argument in the Declaration of Independence that we hold these truths to be self evident. In other words, these truths we're about to tell you that anchor the entire thing that we're going to lay out here in this Declaration of Independence. It's obvious. What is it? That man is endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So the position that they were saying is you have to start with man being made in God's image and he receives his rights from God. That's the basis of the whole thing. It's not America first, it's God first.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, you're right. But you skipped the part where it said that all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator. I kind of butchered it.
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Jase Robertson
But I think that shows you the brilliance of their thinking because you mentioned Jefferson. Zach, these weren't religious zealots. In fact, they were fairly irreligious if you just follow their lifestyle and you watch them. They had slaves. There were a lot of issues when you talk about equality.
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Phil Robertson
Well, yeah, that's why I said they definitely had some problems.
- [33:18]
Jase Robertson
But they did. But I mean.
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Zach Dasher
Well, Thomas Jefferson took his Bible and he crossed out any reference to the Holy Spirit because he was a rationalist.
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Jase Robertson
Right.
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Zach Dasher
And so he studied under John Locke and everything was this Lockean like, way of seeing the world. Very legal.
- [33:32]
Jase Robertson
So he just.
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Zach Dasher
I don't like that. He just takes it out. So, I mean, clearly.
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Jase Robertson
Well, that's why I say it. The point is, you know, because the argument now, almost 300 years later, is, oh, wow, you religious people. And I Jesus, Bible thumpers. I mean, you know, our country was never designed. No, it was. And it was done by men who weren't zealous. I mean, they would call us zealots. And I own that. I mean, I'm.
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Phil Robertson
Well, but they had a lot of error in their thinking.
- [33:57]
Jase Robertson
That's what I'm saying. But they got it right that they understood.
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Zach Dasher
They got that part right.
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Jase Robertson
They got that part right. That there was a creator. Exactly. And he made us in equality. And then we would get there, and we did. We have. We're excited to talk to you about One Kingdom, which is our global gospel ministry. At our church, Weiss v. Roe, the idea was to get the. The gospel to every person in their own language. But also the idea is we want to show who Jesus is and we want to speak Jesus as well. So by doing that, we help people in relief situations. We've been talking about the situation in Texas. This is exactly what One Kingdom does. They go in through local churches, they provide relief help, and they're able to help out families. They're able to help out with rebuilding and all the difficulties that are there. Zach, you guys experienced One Kingdom's help firsthand.
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Zach Dasher
They're still here working on houses right here in the Asheville area.
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Jase Robertson
And that's the beauty, because that's what we do. We're about sticking with people. One Kingdom is speaking Jesus, sharing Jesus, and showing Jesus to others. One kingdom has over 100 mission partners in over 40 countries around the world. So we're asking for your help if you're ready to help share the gospel and show Jesus to other people. You might not have people gathered around your table like we did it back down on the river to share, but this is a way for you to impact people for Christ. You can go to One Kingdom.org to donate today. And specifically, if you want to donate to what's going on in Texas, you'll have that opportunity. 100% of the donations go to the actual work, no overhead. So this is all going to people. That's one kingdom.org o n e Kingdom.
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Zach Dasher
Well, what's funny is, is that. So they. They write this and they have this philosophy. Now, did they embody it perfectly? No, absolutely not. Because they had slaves. But. But what's interesting about the conversation is, is that when Lincoln, President Lincoln had the debates with Douglas on should. Should. Should we abolish slavery or not, the argument that he was making was, okay, hold on. Let's look at our own founding documents. Let's look at the Declaration of Independence. And let's read this argument. And let's play this out. All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Everybody agree with that? And Douglas and everybody. Yep, everybody agrees with that. So then Lincoln's question, next question was, is the African American a man? Is he human? And that literally was the argument that led to the abolishment of slavery. Then you say, well, okay, we abolished slavery, but, man, we still had racism just, I mean, permeating the south and until Jim Crow and all that. Well, then when Martin Luther King Jr. Wrote a letter in a Birmingham jail to mobilize white pastors to get involved in the civil rights movement, guess what his argument was?
- [37:02]
Phil Robertson
All men are created equal.
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Zach Dasher
All men are created equal. He went right back to the same argument. He appealed to Thomas Aquinas. He appealed to. Go read the letter. Well, then you think, well, then there's the Memphis sanitation workers strike that happened in Memphis. And you guess what? Guess what? The sign they held up when they were protesting for civil rights. Black men and women holding signs. And the question is, am I not a man?
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Zach Dasher
So the argument, like, continues on. And so, yes, our. And our employment of the argument is flawed because we're sinful. But the argument stands. And that's why I think the argument stands today. And when we're pushing, like, policies and politics, I think it's dangerous to take an America first position. I think you have to take a God first position. And I know that's a little bit of a nuance, and that may rub you the wrong way, but it's true. No God first. Man made in God's image. And now let's talk about how best to enable human rights from there.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, I kind of went down that road because I quoted Romans 13. It's in the book that God set up governments and you have to pay your taxes. I mean, Romans 13 is pretty clear. And even when Jesus said, Remember when he said, give to Caesar what is Caesar's, but give to God what is God's, you're like, well, well, which is it? And so I went to when Jesus was before Pilate, and he said, my kingdom. He asked him if he was a king. And he was like, my kingdom is not from this world. Which I said, but it implied it's for this world. I mean, that's why he came. And talking about living in the image of God. But then he makes an interesting statement. He said, and you wouldn't have any power unless it was given to you from above. Which supports this idea of God set up governments. Because just imagine when I listed those things about security and prosperity, what the governments are supposed to do. If you're in a country where you don't have that, well, good luck. What does it turn into? Chaos. I mean, it's really dependent on most of the people doing the right thing. If everybody. If all the Americans decided, you know what, we're just not going to go by the rule of law and surrender to the government. Well, this place would be like some other countries. I mean, see, you realize why God did that.
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Zach Dasher
But you're saying, you're saying anarchy would come.
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Phil Robertson
Oh, exactly. And what I'm saying is, so we have a responsibility because God set it up. However, I think the give to Caesar what is Caesar, and give to God what is God's is also. It brings resistance and we do resist. There's some laws that will be approved by government that are immoral. It happens all the time. I could go find them. Well, as a Christian, and where I'm headed with this is you remember in Acts 4 when the government officials came to them and said, hey, that's it. They basically tried to shut down, you know, the disciples and them sharing Jesus because it was causing so much chaos with, with people who didn't agree and. But their response was, no, we can't help but speak about. You do whatever you can. Read Acts 4. You'll see what I'm saying. But they were like, no, we're resisting on that. We. We can't help but share Jesus. And you got to remember, that kind of mentality led to all of them dying from the hands of some government official. They were martyred because they wouldn't shut up. And so I think it's a resistance, though. That's not like the world. We don't go out there and have riots and burn cars and all that, or, you know, try to threaten people that we're going to kill them because that's what earthly powers do. Ours is more like Jesus, where you better be. Be willing to suffer and endure the persecution and maybe jailed, which Paul wrote verses, you know, from prison while he's chained to a wall. Was he shrinking back from who he was in Jesus? No, he just wasn't going to do it. And that's why I wanted to say all that, to say, well, when you were saying that about Iran, and give the current administration credit, they've said very carefully, because they're not doing anything by accident. We don't have a problem with the Iran people. We have a problem with this regime that could perhaps destroy the whole planet.
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Jase Robertson
Which is why they. Bomb size.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, but I appreciate them, appreciate them saying that because, you know, my experience, I mean, I went to Athens, Greece, spent a week with 40 converted Iranians, they call themselves Persians, who were refugees at some point, escaping through Turkey. And here's our old buddy Larry Bowles. He's sitting there first taking care of their human needs and These people have nothing. They've left these oppressive countries. Well, then they all come to Jesus. But what he was shocked that happened was then the more they grew as disciples of Jesus, they all wanted to go back and share Jesus. Because that experience in Jesus, in the verse that I had, the crowd quote, which is what I was thinking, if the Son sets you free, you're free indeed. Well, all these people had removed the fear of death from their life because now they're in Jesus and they're reading the Bible and they're like, well, if we die, we're good. Well, let's go back. Because I got an aunt, I got a cousin, I'm going to go back. And so he's training them to do that. And I got to speak to all these underground churches in Iran through an interpreter, and I got to know these people. And what I was shocked about, I was telling the young people about this because this came up. Well, you know, in Jesus, we had all kind of things in. They were just people. It didn't matter. We were talking the same language, we were laughing, we were eating meals together. And when I say I spent a week with them, all day, every day for a week. And it was amazing what we had in common because we were all following the same King Jesus. And to me, you sense the Holy Spirit. Exactly.
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Zach Dasher
You sense the spirit in those people. And that, like, I know what this is, and I can't quite put an identification on it. But when you were talking about the way the kingdom counteracts the oppressive parts of government, because there is a place for resisting, for sure. I was thinking about this book. I don't know if y' all have.
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Phil Robertson
Heard of it, but resisting the right way, you know. No, no, no.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah. No, that's what I was going to talk about. There's a. There's a book called Dominion by Tom. I think. I think it's Tom Holland. I got on my bookshelf back here behind me. But it's a. I don't even know if the guy's a Christian, but he wrote this book essentially, like, here's the world we live in. And I want you to see what Christianity, how Christianity has impacted the world. And when you read the book, it's like, like the entire, like hospital system and healthcare system and all these things that, like, we just take for granted now that are, quote, unquote, secular institutions. They all started. I mean, all of them started with Christianity. And so you think about, man, sometimes the best defense is a good offense. And I think that verse where Jesus says that based on this confession, or I'll build this church, or on this rock, I'll build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I think that what happens with the Kingdom of God is that it's so progressive. And I don't mean like liberal, but I mean progressive. Like it's moving forward and picking up steam and it's accomplishing things and it's so powerful. Human flourishing that happens in the Kingdom is so powerful that it steamrolls tyranny.
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Phil Robertson
It just does.
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Zach Dasher
And that's what happened whenever the American system was set up, when our country was set up. I mean, really, it was what happened in this country that completely collapsed and destroyed the tyranny of the monarch. There's no more monarchs in the world, really. I mean, think about it. I mean, the king, the king of. Who's the king of England right now? It's not. I mean, it's like a figurehead. It's not like they have no real power.
- [45:40]
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Phil Robertson
The problem is if all people are flawed. So if you have a king, the only way this is going to work is if you had a king. Like Jesus had zero flaws, who's come from God. And I think he proved that, which is why he's the king of kings.
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Jase Robertson
So I want to bring up one more point before we go on this podcast. And it was one I had never seen before in this text that I was in. But it was this setup for the march around Jericho. And it starts out with the armed men. You know, it says the armed men will go first. Which we would think, okay, that makes sense. Like we're going to show a force. The cities under siege are all locked up. So this, the armed men go first. And so I'm just imagining Joshua listing as a military guy. Yep, I got that. You're going to march around six days. Okay, yeah. That scopes that we're going to put the fear into them. But then the third component is what we've been talking about here on this podcast today. He had priests go with people playing trumpets, which I framed as worship, because that's what people. You know, when you get priests together playing trumpets, you got worship.
- [47:19]
Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And the. The Ark of the Covenant was there. And I made the point that, you know, Indiana Jones discovered in the movie, Steven Spielberg decided that the Ark of the Covenant was. Was sand that melted people's faces off. You know, that's what happened.
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Phil Robertson
Well, I assume when I watched that movie, when you said that, I assumed that he was kind of saying, well, there was a presence of God.
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Jase Robertson
I got it. I got it. But I was saying that I don't think that's what the Ark literally did, was that it was just a memento box to remind the Israelites that, hey, I'm God. I'm still here. So these march around the city. And so I called it, Zach, weaponized worship.
- [47:58]
Zach Dasher
I like that.
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Jase Robertson
The idea was. And it's like, we don't fight fight like the world does, because we worship God. And so I read the text later, Jay's thought of the text when I was making that point, and I read it later in the sermon, 2nd Corinthians 10:3. We live in the world, but we don't wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments. Every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. I mean, at the heart level, we make a difference and an impact. So I think God was trying to teach his people that if you'll trust in me and you'll follow my lead and you'll worship me and you'll believe me and you'll listen to me, this will go well. When you don't, it won't. Obviously it didn't go well, I mean, because this was the first battle. It should have been the precedent for the way they fought every battle. But it didn't because they're human beings. And by the time we get into the king a free for all. Yeah, you know, it's idolatry. It's all this terrible stuff.
- [49:03]
Phil Robertson
But the Bible is filled with these kind of things. You know, even the prediction of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, because it wasn't just their worship. It was their whole politics culture. And you see that coming out even where we're at in John 10, where they're trying to stone Jesus right Then. And this is going. And even he's fixed to raise Lazarus in the next chapter. Right. And guess what? They guess what the Jewish leaders response was.
- [49:32]
Jase Robertson
We got to kill this guy.
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Phil Robertson
No, wait a minute. Time out. He just raised a guy from the dead and you're responsible. You know what I found fascinating when you read that not only did they want to kill Jesus, they wanted to kill Lazarus again.
- [49:46]
Jase Robertson
Again.
- [49:47]
Phil Robertson
They're like, we need to kill him. Because I mean, if he keep. The longer he keeps walking around, we're losing all our membership.
- [49:54]
Jase Robertson
Proving the point.
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Phil Robertson
Yep. But what I wanted to say is God intervened. Kind of like he did with what you called an E.T. this guy standing with the sword, which. Al, you didn't point this out, but I think this is right. This is the kind of a mirror image of the burning bush. I think you brought that up.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, because it's that moment where he says, take off your sandals because, well.
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Phil Robertson
He does the same thing here with this guy standing. And you know, I don't know how we're going to describe this. We left off our last podcast talking about the divine counsel in Psalm 82, which opened up a can of worms. But it's definitely. There's something to that. But God will judge because this guy.
- [50:36]
Jase Robertson
Was the commander of the army of the Lord. That's the way he described himself.
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Phil Robertson
And they're like, oh, there's an army.
- [50:42]
Jase Robertson
Of the Lord and he has a sword. He looks like a man. Who is this guy?
- [50:47]
Phil Robertson
Yeah. And so when you think about the destruction of the Jerusalem temple and you think about the whole book of Revelation, which now Rome is the backdrop. You know, think Revelation 17, where it's like this beast that came out of the seven hill city, which Rome was known as the city on seven hills. But even then, it's like he wasn't saying that I'm going to protect you, you know, keep you from death. Every time he brought that up, he was like, oh, even though you die, yet shall you live. Same thoughts as Jesus. Which comes to your point. I'm making the point that he eventually judged Rome. What are they doing now? The kingdom is still rolling on. I saw it. What was Rome doing? Making pizzas and shotguns.
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Jase Robertson
That's what dad said.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, I mean, it's like that's what happens when he said, this kingdom that Jesus is going to establish will crush all other kingdoms. When you take death as being a problem out of the equation, you become the most indestructible force on the planet. Even if you die because it's like, I won't. Trust me. I'll be right back. Which is, I think what Jesus said.
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Jase Robertson
Which is why I ended my sermon, was Revelation 12:11. They overcame by the blood of the Lamb, word of their testimony. They did not love this life so much as to shrink from death. Then added Jesus in 14:4, and they will follow the Lamb wherever he goes.
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Phil Robertson
And I'm glad you brought that up, because, look, where the Lamb went is where people do. They're uncomfortable about going, where did. Where did the Lamb go? He went to a cross.
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Jase Robertson
Exactly.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
And look, these martyrs that are mentioned in Revelation, which. It's filled with all these stories about them being martyred in the name of Jesus at the hands of Rome and. But eventually, who won? The whole book's about people in Christ winning victory. Even in death, you're winning.
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Zach Dasher
And I think that it's not because I struggle with thinking this through. It's not pacifism. It's not that the kingdom just sits back and we're like, we're not going to engage in anything in the public realm. That's all.
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Jase Robertson
We're not Switzerland.
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Zach Dasher
No, no, we're not. Because you think about it, we're actually called to forms of civil disobedience. If, for example, if. If you knew that you were in a country that they were enslaving people, you would. You may hide people in your basement and. And lie about it and be like. And say, are they in your basement? No, they're not here. Well, you're telling a lie, but that's a justifiable lie.
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Phil Robertson
Well, Rahab, you brought that up.
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Zach Dasher
I mean. Yeah, I mean, Rahab is a prime example. So that great example in God's kingdom, we are. Are called, in my opinion, to systematically undermine the kingdoms of darkness. I think we're called to do that.
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Phil Robertson
And I would add, speak truth to powers.
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Zach Dasher
Yeah, I think that. I think where I think it gets off is that when your primary motivation is. I'm doing this as a Christian, at least I'm doing this primarily for my earthly kingdom that I'm aligned with. When your primary motivation. No, no, no. My primary motivation and the undermining of whatever I'm doing is I'm. My primary motivation is for the kingdom of God. And I think that's the difference. And I think that, like, you're. What's going to happen is as we embody that as Christians, you're going to have other people who will latch on to what we're doing in a secular way. Like, I think Thomas Jefferson, personally, I think he latched on to the church's teaching on the Imago Day. And I don't think that he really had the same motivation, but it didn't matter.
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Jase Robertson
No, that's great.
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Zach Dasher
Come on. You know, so our goal is, yeah, if you want to come in here and partner on what, you know, what Calvin called common grace, great, you can partner on that with us. It is common grace. So it is God's grace, and it's common for all men. And so the world's going to take that and they're going to try to use it for their own event. And I think that's fine. But the church always has to keep that. We gotta put our stake in there and say, but we're not moving like we're. This is why we're doing it. You can't move from that.
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Jase Robertson
We're out of time. But I'll say this. During this celebratory season, we always celebrate our citizenship to the US Of A. That's great, but remember, we're dual citizens because we're also citizens of the heavenly realm and the earthly realm in the kingdom of God. So let's keep it. Let's keep it there in the first and foremost. So there you go.
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Phil Robertson
I had a lot more to say, but we're out of time.
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Jase Robertson
See you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.