Ep 1130 | Jase Shows His Age in Some Embarrassing Ways & What Does ‘Perfect Love’ Even Mean?

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Episode 1130 Summary

Release Date: July 21, 2025
Title: Jase Shows His Age in Some Embarrassing Ways & What Does ‘Perfect Love’ Even Mean?

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1. Welcoming Texan Guests and Sports Rivalries

01:01 – 02:15

The episode kicks off with Jace hosting friends from Texas, all ardent Longhorns, highlighting the deep-seated sports rivalries common in Texas culture. Phil Robertson shares his perspective on using these rivalries as opportunities to connect over faith.

Phil Robertson:
"I usually use these kind of rivalries of worldly activities as a way to say, you know, the only way we're going to be able to get along is if you know and understand a guy named Jesus. It's a really good icebreaker."
[01:40]

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2. Phil’s Golf Mishap and Introducing a New Podcast Segment

02:15 – 07:22

Phil narrates an amusing yet insightful story about losing his rangefinder during a golf game. His attempt to recover it leads to a humorous realization that it was on his person all along. This experience inspires him to propose a new segment for the podcast focused on Phil's memorable sayings and stories.

Phil Robertson:
"So, I think I kind of offended him then. But a day later, Eve sent him a text and said he's wanting to go play golf again."
[02:54]

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3. Al’s Transformation Through Dr. Ashley Lucas’ Program

11:39 – 13:21

Al Robertson shares his personal health journey, detailing his successful weight loss of 65 pounds over 28 weeks using Dr. Ashley Lucas' program. He emphasizes the program's holistic approach, focusing on diet, eating habits, and a healthy relationship with food.

Al Robertson:
"I've lost 65 pounds. I've never felt better. The program teaches you what to eat, it teaches you when to eat, and it works on your relationship with food so that you can have this weight loss for the rest of your life."
[12:40]

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4. Delving into 'Perfect Love' – Biblical Insights

35:18 – 50:48

The heart of the episode revolves around unpacking the concept of "perfect love" as mentioned in First John 4:18 and First Corinthians 13. Phil Robertson explores the Greek lexicon of "perfect," highlighting its use 19 times in the New Testament. He connects this to Jesus' teachings on love, emphasizing that perfect love drives out fear and is foundational to all relationships.

Phil Robertson:
"Perfect love drives out fear. Will you see that word perfect? Well, if you do the Greek lexicon of that verse, you'll find that that word perfect is used...
[35:55]

Jace Robertson:
"Love is the foundation for all of those relationships as well. And it can be a godly love, which makes it better, but it's an earthly love as well."
[17:43]

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5. Love in Action – Overcoming Relationship Challenges

32:01 – 42:17

Jace and Zach discuss how understanding and embodying God's love can transform personal relationships. They reflect on their own experiences with familial challenges, such as dealing with loved ones suffering from Alzheimer's, and how their faith enabled them to maintain unwavering love despite difficulties.

Zach Robertson:
"The love of Christ can change it at its radical core to a place you can't even imagine right now."
[41:18]

Jace Robertson:
"We never wavered in our love for them because we understood what they were afflicted with and not... our love for them and our realizing that they were in Christ and we were brothers and sisters."
[33:01]

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6. Theological Deep Dive – Perfection and Love in Scripture

43:06 – 50:48

Phil leads a profound discussion on how the concept of perfection in the Bible is intrinsically linked to love. He references Matthew 5:48 and Romans 12:2 to illustrate that perfection is not about flawlessness but about embodying God's love. The conversation highlights how true adherence to the commandments stems from genuine love for God and others, rather than mere rule-following.

Phil Robertson:
"Another thing is when he gets to chapter 14 and he gets into these other arguments, look, he ties it back to the same place we're in John 11, which is the resurrection."
[50:48]

Zach Robertson:
"Love, it's community, it's relationship, and... it's beyond our understanding."
[51:43]

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7. Emphasizing Love as the Fulfillment of the Law

50:48 – 58:07

The discussion continues with an exploration of how love fulfills the biblical law. Phil underscores that commandments are essentially relationship guidelines aimed at fostering love and preventing harm. They connect this to personal experiences and broader theological insights, reinforcing that true love, as modeled by Christ, transcends superficial adherence to rules.

Phil Robertson:
"Another thing is when he gets to chapter 14 and he gets into these other arguments, look, he ties it back to the same place we're in John 11, which is the resurrection."
[50:48]

Jace Robertson:
"Love is the foundation for all of those relationships as well. And it can be a godly love, which makes it better, but it's an earthly love as well."
[17:43]

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8. Closing Reflections on Love and Community

58:07 – End

In their closing remarks, Phil, Jace, Zach, and Al reflect on the transformative power of love and its central role in Christian faith and community. They encourage listeners to embody this perfect love in their daily lives, fostering deeper relationships and a stronger connection with God.

Phil Robertson:
"Go love somebody in the name of Jesus. It's the greatest experience in life."
[58:21]

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Key Takeaways

• Perfect Love: True perfection in Christianity is about embodying God's perfect love, which eliminates fear and fosters deep, meaningful relationships.

• Love as Foundation: Love is the bedrock of all relationships, both earthly and spiritual. It ensures resilience in the face of challenges and conflicts.

• Practical Faith: Personal stories, like Phil’s golf mishap and Al’s health journey, illustrate how faith and love are applied in everyday situations.

• Biblical Integration: The episode seamlessly integrates biblical scripture to explore and explain complex theological concepts, making them accessible and relevant.

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Notable Quotes:

• Phil Robertson:
  "Perfect love drives out fear."
  [35:55]

• Zach Robertson:
  "The love of Christ can change it at its radical core to a place you can't even imagine right now."
  [41:18]

• Jace Robertson:
  "Love is the foundation for all of those relationships as well."
  [17:43]

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This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family delves deep into the essence of love from a Christian perspective, offering listeners both theological insights and practical applications to enhance their personal and spiritual lives.

Transcript

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[Phil Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jace]

So welcome back to Unashamed. I'm still down here at the Southern Lair. Jace. I got a house full of Texans this week, so there you go.

[Zach]

Hook them horns.

[Jace]

Yeah, we got some Texan friends that have come over, so we're. We're entertaining this week.

[Zach]

Are they Aggies or they Longhorns now?

[Jace]

They're all Longhorns, this group. Yeah, they don't like the other Texas people. I notice they're all very clannish with their sports stuff over in Texas, but, I mean, if you pull for Texas Tech or the Aggies or the Longhorns.

[Al Robertson]

Or the this one or that one, they're very serious.

[Phil Robertson]

I usually use these kind of rivalries of worldly activities as a way to say, you know, the only way we're going to be able to get along is if you know and understand a guy named Jesus. It's a really good icebreaker.

[Jace]

That's good.

[Phil Robertson]

And they're like, oh, oh. Just because we're rooting for the Hogs or the Longhorns doesn't mean we don't follow Jesus. And I was like, well, I'm beginning to wonder, you know, because people get upset over these things and they start acting in ways that are not Christlike. So.

[Jace]

Well, we share this podcast with a gator, and you know how we feel about them, so. But we love Zach anyway, like, in spite of his weaknesses.

[Phil Robertson]

But I'm saying, you know, competition happened. I actually had a weird encounter on the golf course. One of my buddies. I mean, he just Showed up angry. And, you know, he was getting mad after every swing. And at some point I just said, I thought, this is supposed to be fun. And he was looking at me like, what do you mean? I was like, you're not having any fun. And so I think I kind of offended him then. But a day later, Eve sent him a text and said he's wanting to go play golf again. And I was like. He said, I'm gonna fix my attitude. And I actually introduced our podcast. I said, maybe you just start. Need. Maybe you need to start listening to our podcast. We deal with.

[Zach]

Has he never heard the podcast?

[Phil Robertson]

Well, evidently not, because if you're getting mad and acting like, you know, you know, you miss a shot. But it did make me think that golf encounter, that we need a new segment.

[Jace]

And a new segment on the podcast.

[Phil Robertson]

Segment on the. I keep.

[Jace]

Drumroll, please. Drum roll.

[Phil Robertson]

Look, but we don't ever have a drum roll. I keep telling Maddie we need these little music clips. And like.

[Jace]

Like, last podcast, it was the. The ship heading out of the harbor.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. In a while, just sound off a horn, look for a train.

[Jace]

There we go.

[Phil Robertson]

Okay, good.

[Jace]

Maddie has done it.

[Phil Robertson]

She's finally done. Maddie, I've been wanting you to push that button for four years now. So, no, what I thought was because something happened. I mean, look, we're not getting any younger, Al and Zach, even though you're the youngest.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

So I got. I guess I was disturbed because I was like, what's wrong with my buddy? Just, you know, he's in a bad mood or whatever, and I was distracted, and I'm trying to play golf and just. Well, you're. You're. It's supposed to be a healthy distraction, you know? So I got on about number 16, and I'm like, where's my golf club? And he's like, oh, I don't know. It must have fell out of the cart. And I was like, well, do you think we can go back and look for it? He said, I'll go do it, because I think he was feeling guilty, you know? So he goes back, and he's looking. He comes back, you know, And I'm like, I just bought that glove today. And he said, well, is it the one on your hand? And I looked down. It's on my hand.

[Jace]

Look.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, wow. This is just beginning. So then I go reach to find my range finder, you know, to see how far I am. Well, I can't find it. I was like. He's like, well, it's not in your Pocket. Ha ha ha. You know, looked at. No, I've lost it now. And so it was not recovered. And so after the round and. And this is. Goes in with the new segment I want to do. But after the round, I figured out where I had last used it. And so I went over there and looked not there. I went to the clubhouse. I was like, is anybody turned in range finder now? What's it look like? I said, it has my name on it. I put my name because I've lost it many times before. Usually people turn it in, went down to the cart barn, you know, nothing. But there was very few people there. So I was at my truck and I was like, I can't believe I've lost this range finder. I don't want to go have to buy another one. I mean, surely. So I look and there's three cart guys sitting on a bench because there's no. There's nothing to do. They're just sitting there. And I said, hey. I said, do y' all work here? Which I know how that sounded because they were sitting on a bench. And they said, yeah. And so I used a line. And this is goes in with the new segment. I think that Phil. Al, when I say this line, you will remember him saying this hundreds of times. I said, I've got a crisp $20 bill for one of you guys. Whoever finds my range finder. I lost it. I said, I looked in the cart barn. There wasn't anybody in there. You know, I thought maybe that's where y' all would be.

[Jace]

But you're sitting on a bench.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I checked at the clubhouse. I know where I left it. Hole number six, somewhere around the green. I said, it's a Chris $20 bill. It has my name on it. I'm Jace. They never moved. I could tell when we were kids. And the segment that I'm offering is Phil sayings or story segment, because do you remember that, Al? I remember.

[Jace]

Well, sometimes it was a crisp $100 bill.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it evolved. That was the story I was going to tell. My dad started off literally with, I have a crisp $1 bill for whoever finds whatever he had lost. Then it went to a five. Then it went to a 10. You know, we caught more fish. The duck call started. It went to a 20. Now I'm saying it was years where it was.

[Jace]

It would evolve.

[Phil Robertson]

And when duck dynasty hit, it turned into 100. A crisp $100 bill for whoever inflation. But I thought. You know what I thought, Zach is my dad. If this was True. Which. It's false. But my dad, he would be rolling in his grave, which. He's not there, but. And that body will come out.

[Jace]

Oh, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

If he saw that. These guys never moved.

[Zach]

They never moved a muscle. But you were never. But you did say $20. And I, I mean, your dad and my mom, she did the same thing, by the way. The same exact. There was a crisp. Whatever.

[Jace]

So it's a Robertson thing.

[Zach]

It was a Robertson thing. That was. But, and I will say this, they were early adopters, and I feel like they got to a hundred. A crisp hundred dollar bill. They got there quick. The problem is, is they stayed there for too long. And so then the jobs that would be like, my mom was doing that back when I was, you know, 16 years old, when a hundred dollar bill. I was a big dad. Now, the work, she never kind of got with the inflation that had happened. So I think you're suffering from an inflation problem you're not recognizing.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, I know this, Zach. When my kids were that age, these were 14 to 16 year old. That's what they look like. Somewhere in that range. When I, when my kids were there and I would say a Krisp's $10 bill, they all took off running. And I mean, I started to say it.

[Zach]

Well, let me ask you.

[Phil Robertson]

What are you doing? You're just standing there.

[Zach]

But the money was for them to locate the.

[Phil Robertson]

The. I said, whoever finds it, I will give you. Well, they're getting.

[Zach]

How much was the range finder?

[Jace]

Well, that's why you can't offer a hundred.

[Zach]

It's not irrelevant.

[Jace]

It's a hundred dollars. They'll buy a new range.

[Zach]

That's what I'm saying. But if they got. What if they got a range finder? If you got a range finder that's worth 80 bucks, they could sell on eBay for 80. You're offering 20.

[Phil Robertson]

So. Well, it has my name on it.

[Zach]

So that, you know, it's probably worth more then, because that makes it worth more. We all know in person that's $120. Any.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, I appreciate you saying that because that proves you're more of a pessimist than I am. Because you went to crime. I went. There's a problem in our society now. It's young who are not being motivated. Look, Zach. Well, you're. You're leaving out one key point. They're sitting on their butt.

[Zach]

It don't matter. You got to pay to play these days. That's part of it.

[Phil Robertson]

Doing nothing. And I said, Here's $20. Call it a competition. There's three of them.

[Zach]

You got to pay up. Doesn't he?

[Jace]

No, I know.

[Zach]

Cheap.

[Jace]

I agree with Jay's. I agree with Jay's on this point. And I've got in. In the. In the light of this new segment, I've got another field saying that actually ties into this story. So we went to New Orleans recently, and they parked my car because everything down there, you can't. Like, you can't park your own car because all the hotels have valet parking. And so we're getting out. They got kids. All this while I leave my wallet and my computer in my truck. And they parked it, so I got to go back down for the walk of shame. And this poor guy's down there trying to park all these cars. And I said, dude, I said, I got to get to my truck. And he kind of just looked at me. His face kind of fell. And he. I said, I left my wallet and my computer. He said, come on, man. And so I said, man, I really appreciate you doing it. Now he's just doing it. Like, I haven't said anything about a tip or anything. He's just taking me to where the cars are parked. And I put the line on him. Jace, I said, you know what my dad would say for you helping me out? And looked at me, said, what's happening, man? I said, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

[Al Robertson]

So, Jase, you know, I had a.

[Jace]

Little bit of a weight issue.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, you look way better.

[Al Robertson]

Well, thank you. I turned 60 this year, and I had made a sort of a challenge to myself last fall, and I told Jace I was going to lose £60 by 60. By the time I turned 60, it turned out to be an epic fail. God had a plan. PhD weight loss had been talking about doing something on our podcast, Dr. Ashley Lucas, she's come up with a fantastic plan that I've been on now for almost 28 full weeks. I've lost 65 pounds. I've never felt better. The program teaches you what to eat, it teaches you when to eat, and it works on your relationship with food so that you can have this weight loss for the rest of your life, which, for the first time in my life, I feel like that's possible. So here's a picture of it, because you got to see the pic. This is me at the beginning. Not so good. This is me now. All these 28 weeks later, 65 pounds down. I feel great. I'm off half my meds, and I anticipate that I will be off the other half very soon. So it's not only helping me look better and feel better, but also be healthier. And there's no gimmicks, there's no pills, there's no injections and no side effects. That's what I like about the most. It's very natural. So I'm asking you. I know some of you out there like me. You probably need to make this move. Join me on the weight loss journey. Schedule your one on one consultation today by calling 864-644-1900 or visit myphdweightloss.com It's 864-644-1900. Tell them that Al Roberson sent you.

[Phil Robertson]

We should have the segment, have. Maybe have some CCR vive CCR vibe music. And then it's like three rapid statements from Phil, you know, like, give me a break. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Chris.

[Jace]

$20.

[Phil Robertson]

I don't know if he said that on a podcast. We can't get in.

[Jace]

Oh, you're saying once he said. Yeah, actually, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

It's like, that's the. You know, you need a. I'm trying to get.

[Jace]

But when I said that to. When I said that to the parking guy, he lit his face. He had the biggest smile on his face. He took me to my truck. We got my stuff. I actually rode with him over in another car, which you're probably not supposed to do. And he. And we got my stuff and came back. And then guess what? I gave him Jason a crisp $20 bill to just tie that story up.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, it was disappointing. I started when they didn't move. I cranked my truck up and they were still sitting there. And I thought, should I just do this now? And I thought, then Missy called me, like, come help me with these grandkids. They're driving me crazy. So I was like, well, we'll leave it.

[Jace]

Because we found out on the last podcast, Missy likes to create environments where difficult circumstances thrive.

[Zach]

Yeah, true.

[Phil Robertson]

It's Al. What it is. Love. You know, we've been talking about love. Yeah, we had. We had an epiphany, and I laid it out there. And which reminds me, I need to promote something that I'm going to be at because, look, Al, you can't make this up. I'm fixed to promote a place that I'm going that's called the city of brotherly Love, Philadelphia. I'm taking this as a sign. Maybe we need a jingle for that when something ironic happens. So let me get this in here. So on August 8, from 4 to 9, the Calvary Chapel of Philadelphia. Now, doesn't that sound like a place where brotherly love is happening? They're hosting a men's event. Bring your sons and friends for tailgate barbecue games and a message from Jace. That would be me. And you're. I'm pretty sure what the message is going to be about. We'll have some fun, I'll tell some jokes. But then the next thing you know, you're going to be hearing about the creator of the universe.

[Jace]

And it almost makes me want to go to your event because, you know, Philadelphia was there. Could I hang out in the green room if I came to your event?

[Phil Robertson]

I'm sure I could.

[Zach]

I like the Calvary Chapel, guys. I like. I like what they're doing. That's a good crew for you to be rolling with.

[Phil Robertson]

They'll line you out well, Zach, I'm so glad you approve. Seriously. I've had a few events because I don't care what the venue is. Some of them are not Christian people. But then. So then you're. You're given the same message, but with a lot more intensity, you know?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Which I always appreciate. Places that, you know, don't always line up sometimes on the, you know, political side of things and all this, but that invite us to come in areas because it's just a great place to share Jesus. So I love it. I love it with Philadelphia. That'll be great, Jay.

[Phil Robertson]

So August 8th. Yeah, I'll be there.

[Jace]

So you brought up in the last podcast, and you were right. I'll give you credit where credit's due, that we had missed a really big point in the beginning part of our study in John 11. And you went back and highlighted it when the setup was in the first three to five verses of John 11, that the one who Jesus loved is the way John described Lazarus was sick. And then later John says he loved Martha, he loved Mary, and he loved Lazarus. So you made a point that he really highlighted that, which we didn't make originally when we were back there. And then that led you down a rabbit hole that we looked at a lot of verses the last time. And I was thinking when you mentioned First Corinthians 13, because it was hard for me to get in there. You and Zach had so many good points last time, but I was the whole. You were talking about this big picture, this, like, depth of the love of God, and now. And I think you're right. It's. It's the. It's more foundational than his attributes that we typically apply to him.

[Phil Robertson]

It's the why, you know, it's the why, why? Why did he do this?

[Jace]

Exactly. And I just thought about it immediately as a person who deals with people at a lot of times, an individual level of difficulty in relationship. If you're a pastor in a church, a preacher, you know, a leader, elder, you're going to deal with people at their worst. I mean, it's a lot of times as siblings to parents, as siblings with one another, it's two members in a church. It's mostly husband and a wife. And so it's all these relationship situations. And I couldn't help but think about it, Jace, because love is the foundation for all of those relationships as well. And it's. It can be a godly love, which makes it better, but it's an earthly love as well. When two people decide to get married, you know, you're seeing them at their best. I mean, everybody's got their best foot forward. Everybody's talking about love. When Lisa and I meet with a premarital couple, man, I mean, they have nothing but dreams ahead of them, and they're not even thinking about the possibilities of difficulty. And so that same couple who I could have sat with, Lisa and I for six weeks and then me do their ceremony, and they're saying the right words and they're making that plot, that. That vow and that pledge to one another. We have that great moment. That same couple can be sitting in my living room or my office, you know, six months later, a year later, five years later, and saying, I don't know why I married this person. I think I married the wrong person, you know, because now difficulty or some situation or some selfish act or, you know, some. Whatever has entered into the picture. And guess what diminishes every single time we get to this place of impasse? It's the love that they started with. And one of the people we use a lot in our. In our counseling, our premarital counseling, calls it a love bank. And he says, just like your bank, if you diminish all the funds, then you're nsf, you know, you don't have sufficient funding. It's the same way with love. And so when you were talking about. About First Corinthians 13, which is a passage about God and us people, the church in, in particular, Paul's talking to the Corinthian church, Think about listening to these verses from 4 to 9 that really lay out exactly what we have in every single relationship. It starts with God, but then the same thing goes with us. Love is patient. Verse four. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. When I start reading this to somebody that's having these struggles, they start looking at each other like it's every single thing we're not doing. It is not rude. It is not self seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with truth. It always protects, it always trusts, it always hopes, it always perseveres. Love never fails at the end, he says. Zach quoted this last time, when you have three things left, faith, hope and love. The greatest is love. And so to further add to your point about the love of God, you see the exact same thing in human relationships. When love is diminished or when it's abused or when it's forgotten, or when it fades, then what you're going to see is it becomes very quickly replaced by anger with all the things we read the opposite in that text and eventually it'll be hate. I mean, you have to create a scenario where this part, you hate this person. And therefore I want the marriage to be over. I want the relationship to end. I don't want to talk to you anymore. I'm moving on, I'm moving away. And that's where it ultimately ends up, which kind of becomes that contrast of good and evil. So the whole time you were talking last time, I just immediately linked into just where every single one of us out there, who's living, which is why we try to get people back to a relationship with God and talking about physical, earthly relationships. Because if you can understand a little bit about self sacrifice and love and empathy and all the things that Christ brought, then you get away from the idea of hate, which leads to nothing but division.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, and that's why I think he brought it up here, because just think about what he went through. He was willing to get blamed for what happened because al you, you went through marriage. But I mean, how many funerals have you done since you've been a pastor? How many a hundreds. You've done hundreds. And look, you see people in their most vulnerable, emotional. I mean, just think about all the funerals that we've gone to, just where kids were involved and I mean just horrific situations. And it's so difficult to have these conversations and, and people are mad, sad and very seldom, you know, glad. But, and I'm not joking about that, you know, because it's just some people, they're like, gee whiz, I'm glad they're gone. You know, just angry because they call. You know, everybody has a funeral. I mean, I think it's actually against the law because you remember another Phil segment story, he's like, now Jace, he told me this probably 20 years ago. He's like, when I, when I die, he said, they're all talking about the funeral. He said, just take my body and just go dump me in the river. I was like, phil, as disturbing as that is, I actually think that's against the law. And he went, is it?

[Zach]

He wanted, he wanted a Viking funeral. He wanted me on a raft.

[Phil Robertson]

Set it on.

[Jace]

And he would say, look, wherever I wind up, if I'm like caught in a snag or something, you know, that's where put a net right below me, he said, because the catfish, well, they will come there. I can guarantee you they're coming.

[Phil Robertson]

It was just like. And I remember Ms. K just rolling her eyes. She's like, oh, I'm not sure why I've stayed with you this long with those kind of crazy ideas.

[Jace]

Jase.

[Al Robertson]

We're kind of at this season of our life where we kind of, we take care of our parents, but then you also have your kids and grandkids.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and now we've actually, you know, we have something to pass on. The first half of my life, I didn't have life insurance because I didn't have anything really to insure.

[Al Robertson]

Exactly.

[Phil Robertson]

And. But now you get to that age where you're thinking about what you're passing on to the next generation.

[Al Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

I think when you think about John 3:16, for God so loved the world. Well, for us, that's like, oh, that's awesome. Most quoted verse in the Bible. But then all of a sudden, in John 11, he singles out these three individuals, John does. And why is he doing that? And I think it shows you how personal God's love is. And we've said before, nobody's ever going to love you like Jesus. I mean, that's a true statement. But I think the fact that he's making this personal in view of the resurrection and the power and the pain that people go through in death and the blaming of God, I mean, they're basically all blaming him. If you had been here, this would never happen. I thought you loved this.

[Jace]

And that was the. You're right. That was the reaction he got from Martha and Mary, whom he loved, was, if you had been here, this wouldn't happen.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I thought you loved him. I mean, I thought you loved us. I mean, this. And so that whole struggle, I think, is showing you the extent of Jesus showing God's love because it is personal. You know, very seldom I'm getting an amen from the heavens here. It's literally thundering as I'm saying this, which is. It actually gave me chills. But I think that is our most difficult and vulnerable times in life. You know, I mean, I literally stopped life for about a year, you know, when my best friend from high school got killed, just randomly. It was the most spiritual person I knew. And I'm like, now why are we doing this? I mean, because I'm riding with God and I'm thinking, well, this doesn't make any sense. And I think, you know, if I'd have heard, maybe what we're talking about, one would have understood, really, the plan of God in a unique way, because it becomes so personal that you. You realize that Jesus is setting up what he's fixing to go through, the pain, the suffering. He's literally entering the realm of the dead to take out death itself. And the one who has the power of that, which he says is the devil. Hebrews 2:14, First John 3. I mean, that's what it says. But what does he do by doing that? Well, I don't know how many people have been on the planet. I'm sure that's in a Google search near you. I think it's over 100 billion. But he's now made it available for all these people who have died, all those pains, tears, to now be freed from death itself. And I think when you add all that up and the weight of all that and who he is, he didn't deserve to die and all this, you know, he's literally weeping with those who weep over the death of a loved one. And I think it makes more sense when you look at it in that vein.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think, too, it's thinking of it as a liberation from death, which is coming, which Christ will accomplish, as the final enemy to be destroyed, which is death. But you got to think about the question is, why is death an enemy to begin with? And ultimately, why is it the final enemy that needs to be destroyed? Because I think the answer to that question is actually leading us right back into the very thing that God is. The reason why death needs to be destroyed is because death separates relationship. That's what it does. It's like, we're not, like, I no longer can talk to my mom right now because she died. We're not talking to Phil. We talk about Phil, we tell stories, we laugh, we remember. But Phil's not sitting at the podcast table anymore because death has separated us from him. And ultimately we're going to experience that same fate unless the Lord comes back before then. So the reason why death has to be destroyed is because what God is ultimately after, it's not just that Christ is like, you know what? I think I'm going to kill death. I'm going to go destroy death. No, he's destroying death for a purpose. And the purpose of the destruction of death is so that God made then, or probably say it this way, we may then dwell with him. It's the song of Moses, right? About the construction of the mountain where God's people, where God will abode his house, God's house, where God dwells, His abode, his home. And so when you get to a place like John 15, which is a further continuation of the story that we're in right now, because we're in John 11 just a few chapters later, Jesus says this. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. So now you're seeing that love. What does that have to do with dwelling and living with him and being in his house? Well, he says it, abide, make your home, abode, live in my love, abide in my love. This is what we're being called into, is, yes, escape from death, but abide in God's love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full. So this is really an invitation. Invitation into real, everlasting joy, which is found in relationship with God by interacting and participating in the divine nature. To quote from Peter, this is my commandment that you love one another. Well, how do we do that? Well, love as I loved you. And this is it. This is the whole point of what he's talking about in John 11, why he's one of the reasons why he's weeping. To your point, greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. And you are my friends. If you do what I command you, Jesus will go to the cross. Jesus will conquer death. Why? Because he loves Lazarus. He's weeping because it's his friend. He knows I'm going to lay down my life for my friends to conquer death so that we can actually be in a house together and we can live together and we can be in community together.

[Jace]

Which is why I think you see that, Zach, when you look at the resurrection we have in this life, when we talk about being renewed to live in that love. That's why when I was talking about earlier, all the situations that in relationships, his love is big enough to. Where he can carry us across that. Past people's weaknesses, past other people's sins, past other people's things that they do to betray and hurt us. We can still do that because Christ is so powerful. I mean, Lisa and I are living examples of that, of what happens when everybody says, no, this can't work anymore. You're just saying, no, it can't. Because I'm telling you, the one who destroyed death also shows us a way to love beyond even the biggest relationship deal breakers there are out there, which is powerful. I thought about at the end of your mom's lives, Zach, and our dad's, both of them suffering from Alzheimer's. They said and did things that were hurtful to us.

[Al Robertson]

I mean, over the course of their.

[Jace]

Last few months and years and. And. But none of us wavered in our love for them because we understood what they were afflicted with and not. Nothing like that could ever go past our love for them and our realizing that they were in Christ and we were brothers and sisters before was mom and Son or dad and son. And so I don't know about y', all, but I never just sat around Thinking, well, I guess my dad doesn't love me anymore, because, you know, he. He got. He got all mad at me for this thing that was a crazy thing that wasn't even true. I never thought like that. I just loved him and said, you know what? That's going to be okay. God's going to restore all things in the resurrection. We would tell him that consistently, even if he was mad at us in this frame of mind that he was in. Why? Because what we're a part of is so much bigger than hurling insults or anything like that. That's why Jesus showed us that even on the cross, he was bigger than everything they threw at him. And it was love.

[Al Robertson]

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[Jace]

It's also for our pets.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace]

You know, our dogs, our cats, you know, those that we love, they. They gotta have a good day, right? They gotta get started off the right way.

[Al Robertson]

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[Jace]

Here's what you do.

[Al Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

I think you'll find this fascinating. Last podcast, I promised to go down this rabbit hole on this word perfect. And I read First John 4 where it says, there is no fear in love.

[Jace]

Yeah, perfect love cast out all fear.

[Phil Robertson]

Last time I quoted that verse in First John 4 where it says, there is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear. Will you see that word perfect? Well, if you do the Greek lexicon of that verse, you'll find that that word perfect is used. Let me look 19 times in the New Testament. This is very fascinating because one of these verses is probably the most talked about where it's used and discussed and theorized. And what does it mean? What does it mean? What does it mean? And the verse that I'm referring to is First Corinthians 13, which al you read that while ago, you skipped the verse where it says this, which rightfully so, because people are like, well, what does this mean? And so al quoted. Or read First Corinthians 13, 4, 8, where it says, you know, the end is love never fails. And then verse nine. Now watch what this says. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, same word. And where is it found in the context? Love. And then it says, it kind of gives you a vision. And people are like, what is this perfection that's coming? That's the debate. The imperfect disappears. And then it says, when I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection, as in a mirror. Then we shall see face to face. I know in part. Then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. And so I'm offering you that perfection is about understanding God's love. And I'm going to prove it to you. The first time that word is used, this perfection is in Matthew 5:48. It says, Be perfect. Therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Well, the first time I read this as a new Christian, I thought, well, I'm never going to be able. That's it, it's over. And people read that and they're like, what can I do? Well, nobody's perfect. That's a saying that we have. What does he mean? Well, I've just read you two of the references, and what was the context of it?

[Jace]

Love.

[Phil Robertson]

Love. Well, what is the context of this paragraph? If you back up and look at verse 43, you have heard that it was said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your Enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. Well, now it starts making sense. Tying in with John 11. You want to know what perfection is? It's understanding God's love and becoming a lover, which is. When you brought up the marriage illustration, people can't get along. You say, what is the answer to that? Understanding God's love and then that getting a hold of you, and it turns you into even something that we haven't even talked about, which is the last thing I want to do on this planet, which is love my enemies. But even Jesus on the cross, what was one of the last things he said?

[Zach]

Forgive them.

[Phil Robertson]

He's like, forgive them.

[Zach]

I don't know what they're doing.

[Phil Robertson]

See? I mean, God's love. You talk about it. Oh, yeah. Well, I know God loves me. Oh, do you? Oh, it's way deeper to put into practice.

[Zach]

It's radical. It's radical forgiveness. I mean, it is like. I mean, to your point, Al, I mean, like you. Your testimony is so powerful. And I tell people, I point people all the time to you and Lisa's story, because there was radical infidelity that was like crushing, right? And you think in that moment, I mean, I remember kind of that time period, it's kind of hard to actually go back to the despair of that moment because I've seen what the Lord has done. It's hard for me to remember. Probably is for you too, in some degree, like what God has done in your life since then. But I was thinking about what you're experiencing now post resurrection of your marriage is life. And so it's not that Christ accomplishes. We gotta be careful to make it sound like that the resurrection in and of itself is the prize, because it's not. It's not the resurrection in and of itself that's the prize. It's that the resurrection leads to Life. Because John 5 says there will be two resurrections, right? One group will be raised to live. Another group will be. They will rise to be condemned. The prize is to live. And to live is to love. And to love is to be participating and partaking in the divine nature. Father, Son, Spirit, come in, come into the party, come into the relationship, come into the dance.

[Jace]

And I love. I love how you describe it with the idea of abundance. Remember what he said in John 10:10, I've come that they might have life, and not just life, but abundant life. Until there becomes this idea of embracing the radical love of Christ, especially when your life is on the wrong path, as Lisa and I experienced, you never really understand how good it can be, how abundant life can be. And so you're looking at. From my perspective, you're right. Say 25 years later, you look back and you think, oh, my goodness, what if we had succumbed to not being able to express that love? Look at what we would have missed in 25 years. And so I say that to people out there who I know are listening, who are on that precipice of saying, I just. It seems so hard. I just don't think I can do it. Jason is exactly right. I'm telling you, the love of Christ can change it at its radical core to a place you can't even imagine right now. But I'm telling you, it's there because I've lived it.

[Phil Robertson]

It.

[Zach]

And you know what else, Al, I'll say this real quick, is that here's the harder part, that it's not just from your perspective, that if you're listening to this podcast, like, before a holy God. I mean, think about it. Before a holy, infinitely glorious, pure, unadulterated God, we, everybody stands equally as. As fornicators, adulterers, whatever name we, none of us compared to who he is. It's all of our story. And Christ died for the sins of the world, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. So we're in the world. So then if you start to think about the model of John 15 is he's like, love, like, I loved you. Well, man, we start thinking about how he loved us. Really, we're all guilty.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Well, I want to bring this up the next time it's used, because what you're saying, which is what's crazy, because y' all haven't gone down the rabbit hole. But it's like every verse where those 19 times, it's exactly. You're giving the practical application. And I'm like, yep, look, the next one is. Is the. The conversation with the rich young ruler. So in Matthew 19, you know, there was a man came up to Jesus and said, what good thing must I do to get eternal life? Well, look, that. That's res. Resurrection. Phraseology. Eternal life. And Jesus said, well, why do you call me good? Jesus replied, there's only one who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments. Now, why is he bringing this up? And this is. I never understood this until I understood this rabbit hole. Because if you just stop and think about it, how did Jesus sum up the commandments?

[Jace]

Love God, and love your neighbor.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, what's the common theme there? Love. So watch what happens. And here's why I think we missed it or didn't think about it like this. He says, which ones? The man replied, and Jesus said, so he starts naming all the commandments. Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't give false testimony, don't honor your father, mother. Look, if you think about all those commandments, you're doing somebody else wrong. We're looking at it like sins, but it's relationship busters, every one of them. You steal somebody if you cheat on your wife. What happens if you give false testimony? You're severing relationships in everyone. And that's why he says, and love your neighbor as yourself. Well, look, here's what the. And here's why he missed it. He says, and all these I've kept. The young man said, what do I still lack? And then I'm going to put in a verse that's not in here, but it's a thought. Because Jesus by his next statement will prove what I'm saying. You know, what's the thought here? Have you. He said, all these I've kept. Have you? Because watch what he says. If you want to be. And there's our word. Perfect. The same one he said, as the Father is perfect, be perfect. The same one he said in First Corinthians 13, when the perfection comes. The same one in First John 4. Perfect love drives out fear. He says, if you want to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give to the poor. Well, we're back to relationship with people in reflection of God's love. So that's why his. His answer was, have you kept those commandments? He thought he had, but he was not a lover. He was looking at it like, you know, however he was rationalizing, which is what Zach just said at the end. You look at your. All your sins and they're there. But somehow he had rationalized that he had kept the commandments without being a lover. And that's why Jesus starts talking about impossible. You know, when the disciples heard this, they thought, well, this seems kind of hard because they were missing it too. And he was like, with God, all things are possible. And you're like, why would he say that? Because he's a lover. And if you get his love, you'll realize that all things are possible, even life after death. The relationship can go on and on and on and on and on.

[Al Robertson]

Zach tells a story about when he thought he was dropping calls with you on a regular basis.

[Jace]

And that's not exactly what was happening.

[Phil Robertson]

I was hanging up on him because he had hung up on me a couple of times.

[Al Robertson]

Well, out of that misunderstanding of why.

[Jace]

He was dropping your calls, he looked.

[Al Robertson]

Into getting a new wireless provider, which led him to Pure Talk.

[Phil Robertson]

So I did him a favor.

[Al Robertson]

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[Phil Robertson]

And so I. I'm going to give you another place.

[Al Robertson]

Let me mention this before you leave there, Joe.

[Jace]

This is so good. Because what Jesus could have said was what he told the other disciples that asked not that exact question, but a similar question. He could have said, just leave everything and follow me. That's what we told the rest of them, because in is where the perfection is. But he knew this guy. And so the series of questions he asked him and the way he went about it was the same thing he told the others. Leave everything and follow me. He just said it in a different way that this guy was thinking performance based, which is exactly what people think when they think perfection. They think, what can I do to be perfect? And the point is, you can.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. And what's so frustrating to me and why I'm so passionate about this is I've heard a hundred lessons on the rich young ruler, and I've never heard love highlighted on what love is. And that's the whole point. Yeah, he. He missed the whole point. But, you know, and I found it because that one word he uses, perfect, that's always tied to love. So look, another, you're. You're going to be shocked at where this.

[Zach]

Real quick, you know, that's you. You don't often hear in that same preaching that I think flows directly from what you just said of the rich young ruler is we typically preach that text with, what's the point? That you got to sell all your stuff, you got to get rid of it. Can't be rich.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, exactly.

[Zach]

It's sell everything you have and then. And come follow me. And so apprenticeship to Christ directly flows from Christ's love of us. And then we embody love as I love John 15. And I think that gets into this whole idea that that's what we're predestined to do. We're predestined to be conformed into the.

[Phil Robertson]

Image of the Son, which is the embodiment of love, which you can't understand because it originates from God. Yeah, that's why all these crazy doctrines went off. They quit looking at Jesus because they're not looking at it. He is the embodiment of what love is because he is God in a human body.

[Jace]

Which shows your point is right. Because when we get to John 12 in the next chapter, one of the disciples says, well, this person should have done this. They should have sold it and given it to the poor. And Jesus says, the poor you'll always have, but me is who you won't always have.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly. Same concept. I had the same, I had the same thought when I went on and read it. And I thought, well, that I understand why he talked to that rich young ruler.

[Jace]

Now.

[Zach]

One more thing, one more thing. So people say this about us a lot. I love. It is like they can't quite figure out what camp we're in. And you've said it quite a bit, James. We're not in a camp. We're in camp Jesus. If we're going to be in a. That's the one we're in.

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, I like that line.

[Zach]

The camps, the camps, they, they, they result because of a fear like it's. We're afraid of what something might lead to. But here's the thing about love. What does Jesus say? Love, cast out all fear. That's what the Bible says. Love, cast out all fear. We didn't receive Romans 8, a spirit of, of fear or timidity, but we received a spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, abba. Father, what is a spirit of sonship?

[Phil Robertson]

Love.

[Zach]

It's Love, it's community, it's relationship, and.

[Phil Robertson]

It'S not defined by us, and it is beyond our understanding. Which, by the way, half of the words translated perfect that I'm looking up out of the 19. The other half are all in the context of becoming mature. But it's the same word as perfect in Christ. You're like, oh, that's a crazy thought. And it's because Jesus did this. This whole idea about Jesus taking on the enemies of us, which is why sin and death, physical death, are always linked together, because it goes back to the garden and all these enemies that go down when they tried to take on Israel. And you're like, oh, they're enemies. We got to take on our enemies. And then all of a sudden, he gets to the cross himself and he says, forgive them for they don't know what they're doing. In Matthew 5, he's like, Love your enemies. And you're like, well, wait a minute. You know what that takes to get to that maturity time? It's very hard because our view of love never has that involved. We always want to alienate the enemy, you know, in humans. But I think that's why you start understanding verses like Ephesians 6, where it says, you know, our struggle is not against flesh and blood. And you start understanding the weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. And the greatest weapon we have is this understanding of love and being complete. It is the ultimate weapon. But I want to bring this up before we close, because we're almost out of time, because this was the most fascinating one of all the ones I've already shared, which I'm really passionate about. This one was the most fascinating one because I thought. Well, I never thought about it. And it's in Romans 12. I mean, I have heard thousands of sermons on Romans 12:1 2, but I didn't realize that one of the 19 times that this word perfect is used is in Romans 12:2. And I just want to. I'll read this. I know we all know this by heart, but therefore I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God. This goes into the laying down your life. We're back to the John 10, the same concept. This is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is. Remember the last podcast, I brought up this idea about how God Displays his power. He wills it. Well, here it is again. And look what he says. His good, pleasing. And there's that word perfect will. And every time you see that word, it is linked to love. And even Paul in this writing, in the next chapter, he, he addresses all these arguments that are happening among the brothers in Romans 13. And I want to read it. Look at 13:8. Let no debt remain outstanding except the continuing debt to love one another. I mean, because they're arguing about, he owes me money, you know, they're having a practical conflict. And he, he, he starts going into love. This perfect will of God. By the way, the commandments, do not commit adultery. Do not commit adultery. Do not steal. Sound familiar? Well, now we're Back to Matthew 5. Be perfect as your heavenly Father's perfect. And whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to his neighbor. Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law. But the most interesting thing is when he gets to chapter 14 and he gets into these other arguments, look, he ties it back to the same place we're in John 11, which is the resurrection. Watch what he says in verse 5. One man considers one day more sacred than another. So they're having these arguments. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special does so to the Lord. He who eats meat. They were having arguments over that. You know, meat given to idols. But it says, eats to the Lord. For he gives thanks to God. And he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. The key theme is the Lord. For none of us, here's the key little phrase. None of us lives to himself alone, and none of us dies to himself alone. That's why death is an enemy. As Zach pointed out, if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So whether we live or we die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason. Christ died and returned to life. He didn't just die, he returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then why do you judge your brother? Because that's that contagious love that we get from God. Or, why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. And people read this to say, oh, there's the fear. Oh, you got it backwards. Oh, you're going to stand in confidence like First John 4 said right before he said there's no no fear in love. You're going to stand in confidence. That's the last verse I'll read. 1st John 4 Listen to how this says and then we can end. 1st John 4:13 we know that we live in him and he and us, because he's given us His Spirit. Then verse verse 16 says, we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God. God in Him. In this way, love is made complete among us. Watch this so that we will have confidence on the Day of Judgment. Because in this world we're like Him. That's what Paul was trying to that was his point. And you really don't get it till you understand why he's using that perfect love that's coming from God and just filling you up.

[Jace]

That's pretty good stuff. How to Preach Chase will welcome the Holy Spirit rabbit holes through you any day and we'll try to flesh that out a little more as we continue our journey in John 11. Next time on Unashamed.

[Phil Robertson]

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[Al Robertson]

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[Jace]

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[Jace]

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