Ep 1135 | Jase Is Still Laughing at Phil's Legendary Las Vegas Meltdown & Why God Lets Satan Live?

Summary

Podcast Title: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Host/Author: Tread Lively
Episode: Ep 1135 | Jase Is Still Laughing at Phil's Legendary Las Vegas Meltdown & Why God Lets Satan Live
Release Date: July 30, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 1135 of Unashamed with the Robertson Family, hosts Phil, Jase, and Zach dive deep into a blend of personal anecdotes and profound theological discussions. The episode kicks off with Zach recounting his frustrating vacation experience in Las Vegas, which segues into a larger conversation about the nature of evil and God's sovereignty.

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Phil's Las Vegas Meltdown

[00:50] Phil Robertson:
"Zach's on vacation this whole time. Sounds like his mind is just reeling from this. Just cash."

Zach shares his disillusioning encounter with excessive commercialization on the beaches, highlighting how businesses impose exorbitant fees for basic amenities like umbrellas and chairs. This experience becomes a metaphor for larger discussions about deception and exploitation.

Key Points:

• Over-commercialization: Zach criticizes how seemingly simple services are monetized beyond reason.
• Metaphor for Deceit: The Las Vegas experience symbolizes broader themes of deception in society.

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Audience Engagement and Personal Stories

Phil shares uplifting moments from his recent sermons, including baptisms of listeners like Corey and Dustin, illustrating the podcast's impact on real lives. These stories emphasize the theme of transformation and faith.

Notable Quotes:

• [13:19] Phil Robertson:
  "I baptized him in my swimming pool Saturday. It was great."

• [14:15] Jase Robertson:
  "The Evil One was wrong. He was not proven right."

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Theological Discussions: The Nature of Evil and Free Will

The conversation transitions into a thoughtful exploration of why God permits evil and the role of Satan. Jase and Zach delve into biblical interpretations, challenging common perceptions of Satan's omnipotence and emphasizing human agency in moral decisions.

Key Themes:

• Satan's Limited Power:
  [19:46] Jase Robertson:
  "He's a creature... he's not omnipresent."

• Human Responsibility:
  [19:38] Phil Robertson:
  "When you swallow a lie and then you start making decisions based on a lie..."

• Free Will and Choice:
  [19:21] Jase Robertson:
  "He has to have a choice in there."

Zach adds that while Satan employs deceit, ultimate deliverance comes through Christ, who offers liberation from both external oppression and internal sin.

Notable Quotes:

• [20:39] Zach Dasher:
  "Christ gives us deliverance from all three [evil desires, Satan, and oppressors]."

• [22:00] Phil Robertson:
  "Combat lies with truth, which ultimately becomes how we live every single day."

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Scriptural Insights: Book of Job and Psalm 118

Phil connects recent personal experiences, such as being called for jury duty, to scriptural lessons from the Book of Job. He emphasizes trusting God's purpose even in challenging situations.

Key Points:

• Trusting God's Plan:
  [23:34] Phil Robertson:
  "I know that you can do all things. No purpose of yours can be thwarted."

• Psalm 118 and Messiah Prophecy:
  The discussion highlights how Psalm 118 and Zechariah 9:9 are fulfilled in Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem, portraying Him as a king of love rather than conventional might.

Notable Quotes:

• [27:45] Phil Robertson:
  "These gifts... are pointing to Jesus."

• [39:09] Jase Robertson:
  "His love endures forever. We're taking over."

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Application and Modern-Day Parallels

Jase draws parallels between spiritual deception and everyday scenarios like playing poker, illustrating how deceit can permeate various aspects of life. They discuss the importance of discerning truth and maintaining integrity.

Key Themes:

• Deception in Daily Life:
  [31:11] Jase Robertson:
  "You're trying to deceive other people... but you choose whether to call or fold."

• Truth and Love as Weapons:
  [50:37] Phil Robertson:
  "The sword that divides your heart from what you thought was the way to his way."

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reiterate the central theme of aligning with Christ's truth and love to overcome deception and evil. They encourage listeners to reflect on their own choices and the influence of both internal desires and external temptations.

Notable Quotes:

• [52:02] Phil Robertson:
  "Because you get to live with the consequences... sometimes in this life, sometimes in the next."

• [54:27] Phil Robertson:
  "Jesus is the head. We're growing into him who is the head."

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Closing Remarks

Unashamed with the Robertson Family seamlessly blends personal stories with deep theological insights, offering listeners both entertainment and spiritual nourishment. This episode serves as a compelling exploration of faith, deception, and the enduring love of Christ.

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Transcript

[Phil Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

I am unashamed.

[Zach Dasher]

What about you?

[Phil Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We finally got the band back together. Jay, Zach is in the house. Zach, welcome back to the Unashamed podcast.

[Zach Dasher]

It's good to be back.

[Phil Robertson]

It felt like you've been gone for like longer than a week, but it was only a week. That's how much we missed you.

[Zach Dasher]

I went to. I went on vacation.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, how was that? And I, I refrain, Zach, unlike you, I, I refrained from calling you or bothering you because I knew you were on vacation, having a big time. And so yeah, I did the same thing.

[Jase Robertson]

But guess what?

[Phil Robertson]

Don't tell me he called you.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, he called me on his vacation. I was like, I wasn't going to bother.

[Phil Robertson]

He didn't call me. So I thought, well, finally the man's taking some time off.

[Jase Robertson]

I thought you were on vacation.

[Zach Dasher]

I did make a few calls, but not many. But yeah, I went down to. It's called 30A.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Which is about two hours past the southern layer where I'm at in Gulf Shore.

[Jase Robertson]

The city. There's a city called 38.

[Phil Robertson]

It's kind of an area. I think is. Would be a better way to put it. Is this just on the other side of Destin.

[Jase Robertson]

The only time I've heard of something like this. What is the area in New Mexico?

[Phil Robertson]

51. Area 51.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

It's like that though, isn't it?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, it's the set of aliens. It's a money acronym that you had. You did an acronym. It was like don't ever do or ded.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I didn't come up.

[Phil Robertson]

That was.

[Jase Robertson]

That is my dad.

[Phil Robertson]

What are. What's our segment? What would Phil say?

[Jase Robertson]

What would Dasher ever do? Let me give you a D, e D.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, 30A is a D, E D for me. I'll never do it again. I mean, this we're talking about.

[Jase Robertson]

They.

[Zach Dasher]

These guys got together. I mean, I probably shouldn't even say that. Somebody's going to get mad. But I mean, they got together and they said, how can we get people down here, and we want to suck all their money out of them before.

[Phil Robertson]

This really does sound like that.

[Zach Dasher]

We. We're going to have this thing set up where if you want to. You want to make a move, you got to pay for it. I mean, I don't care what it is. And there's. It's lines. It's. It's an endless. Just. It was. I mean, I'm telling y', all, my daughter picked it out. She said, let's go to 38. The beaches are beautiful. Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

The water's prettier. Yeah, yeah. I've always heard.

[Jase Robertson]

And you have tight tendencies when it comes to.

[Zach Dasher]

No, this is beyond that, Jason. Beyond that.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm telling you.

[Zach Dasher]

This is like. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, you want it. So you say, well, you want to umbrella on the beach? Well, you. You got to pay for it. You got to pay to have an umbrella on the beach. Their umbrellas and their chairs.

[Phil Robertson]

And so they don't give you the option of taking your own.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you can, but you got to go down to, like, a small section that they've got roped off or, you know, and it's like, walk of shame. And. And that's. It's just so many people. It was $170. Jill spent $170 on an umbrella to rent for the day.

[Phil Robertson]

So Zach's on vacation this whole time. Sounds like his mind is just reeling from this. Just cash.

[Jase Robertson]

But that's what people do. I mean, it's like. It's the same reason you can't bring a beverage into a stadium or whatever, because then you have to pay $17.

[Phil Robertson]

For a bottle of water, going to a water park or something. They're like, oh, no, you can't bring your own stuff. You're going to pay eight times.

[Zach Dasher]

It felt like Disney. It felt like Disney World. It was like Disney World. It was that packed. It was wall to wall traffic. Wall to wall people. The most exp. I did the math on it, too, because I was going through all the math on, like, a square footage. What am I spending per week on the condo. And then I got on there and I looked. The closer you get to the beach, we're like four blocks off the beach, and we're still spending a fortune. You get on the beach. I mean, it's astronomical. Well, then you say, well, is there any. What's the most profitable spot in the whole apparatus? Because they, by the way, wherever you're staying, they get. They own the ice cream parlor down the street. They own. If you want ice cream, they own the bikes. They own the Italian restaurant, the Mexican restaurant. They own everything. They own the pool. You got to put.

[Jase Robertson]

Who is they?

[Phil Robertson]

That's the question. Zach's wondering the same. Who is they?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, the. The. The most expensive. Here's the most expensive place, though The. The profit margin. It is the umbrellas. I did the math on it. I mean, it doesn't take up, like, it's literally two chairs and an umbrella, $170 a day. And they're. I mean, from the. From the. Where the.

[Phil Robertson]

And what are you going to do, burn up?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, you. You got.

[Phil Robertson]

You got to have. For it.

[Zach Dasher]

You got to have it.

[Phil Robertson]

So. Zach, I'm so sorry to laugh, but I feel like. I feel like I'm listening to Job, and I'm Bill, dad, and Zoar, you know, the. The friends of. Of Job and. Because they rejoiced at. And I feel like that way was that. Because this. It didn't sound like it was much of a vacation.

[Jase Robertson]

He had to get past it, and he probably did, and. Which means Jill's probably mad at him because he had a bad attitude, which.

[Phil Robertson]

Means we need to have her on the podcast soon.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I said. I did say this. I enjoy being with my family. I kept caveating with that. That was my caveat, because that is important, but I enjoy being with you guys. This is fun. This is awesome. But I don't like this part.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Phil Robertson]

So, Zach, my advice to you is if you get ready to go to the beach and it's going to take you a minute to get back there, just come on down to Gulf Shores a lot more relaxed. It's. It's. It's still, you know, more expensive than going down here to Folly beach at Darbone Lake, but it is now.

[Jase Robertson]

That's been closed, I think, but there was a time.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, there was a time Jason and I walked there when we were like, nine years old and five years old.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, I've always had a. A dream to go back there and get permission to actually metal detect that bar. Because can you imagine. I mean, because those. They would. Same concept. They serve you the drinks. And when Zach said that about the umbrella, it's like, if you drink enough of those drinks that have the umbrella in it, you won't care about how much you paid for the big umbrella.

[Phil Robertson]

And so you'll burn up in the sun.

[Zach Dasher]

That's the thing.

[Jase Robertson]

It made me think of Phil.

[Phil Robertson]

That's the problem. You tried it without alcohol.

[Jase Robertson]

You Know, Phil, when we started that ded, so we used to have to go to Las Vegas every year for business. Yeah. So all the companies in the waterfowl.

[Phil Robertson]

And just really any outdoor industry.

[Jase Robertson]

Outdoor industry, they all would meet up at Las Vegas. So we'd have to go. Well, I think at this point, everybody understands how Phil, a man of the wilderness, which, by the way, you taught us last podcast, the meaning of Silas, which you missed.

[Phil Robertson]

Uncle Si, a man of the forest.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. We invited him for a podcast, and then he wouldn't leave. So he actually stayed for two.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, y' all did.

[Phil Robertson]

He was just.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, he said, I never got to my point.

[Phil Robertson]

And then Matty was like, well, why don't you just keep going? And so we were like, okay.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, no, it was fun.

[Phil Robertson]

That's how you got on this podcast.

[Jase Robertson]

He was so excited. Yeah, that's right. But Phil. So every year, what. What. What I found fascinating is because he did nothing. He basically, you know, just stayed in. In the hotel room and watched Jason Bourne. But.

[Phil Robertson]

And every time he would walk through the casino, he said what Zach just said a minute ago. You hear it? You hear it, boys? I said, what is it? He said, that giant sucking sound. Yeah, Every penny. He said, look, look over there, Al. Pennies.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what I was going to say. The most offended that he was about everything in Las Vegas. I mean, there's scantily clad women, there's what we called the dirty poppers out on the street with the pornography. Yeah. Trying to lure you in. He got most upset about just seeing penny slot machines. He said, can you believe this? They're trying to take your last penny.

[Phil Robertson]

Down to the scent they fleeced you. You don't have anything left. You got two pennies left in your pocket. You're on your way out. At least you got something. Nope. Boys, I want the pennies.

[Jase Robertson]

He said, you know where they got that idea? They. Somebody read their Bible. The woman who gave her last two pennies to the Almighty is like, they're trying to take it all. So there's.

[Zach Dasher]

They want all of it. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I don't. Look, here's the deal. If you gonna pay. If you're gonna pay a lot for an experience, I'm okay with that. But. But you gotta have the experience. But if you're gonna pay a lot to stand in line and to, like, that's that. It was the line. It was the crowd. I think it was the amount of people that got me more than anything. Like they've got this thing. Every square inch is a profit center.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

And you feel it when you're there. I mean, you feel. You're like, whoa, this is.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is funny, you say that. I live part time on the Gulf coast now. And you're right. I don't even like being there in the summer because everybody else is there, even where we are, for the same reason. But I love it, you know, September to May, because it's. It's not like that. It's much more accessible, so.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I grew up, you know, I grew up in Florida, so for me.

[Phil Robertson]

But you were in the middle of this. You were with all the rednecks up.

[Zach Dasher]

There, and I was with the rednecks. But Trenton. Well, here's the funny story about that. So then last day, because, you know. Oh, they got you set up on the plane too. We. We flew down there on the Legion because you. I got a flight for 80 bucks each. That's how much my ticket was. I'm thinking, oh, I'm. I'm scalding. These guys.

[Phil Robertson]

No, they.

[Zach Dasher]

It's all planned out, cuz they only seem angry today. I'm a little angry.

[Jase Robertson]

They.

[Zach Dasher]

They fly. They fly Saturday to Saturday. That's strategic, by the way, because you got to stay seven days. The flight doesn't leave until 9pm on Saturday, but you got to check out at 10am well, what. What are you gonna do the rest of the time? We want your last penny, right? So you. So I'm like, we're not gonna fall for that though. What we're gonna do is Dad's gonna take everybody to his part of Florida. I'm gonna take you where the rednecks have their vacation. And so we drove about an hour. I looked up, where's a natural spring? I said, you got to see these natural Florida springs because they're beautiful.

[Phil Robertson]

They are beautiful.

[Zach Dasher]

That's where I grew up. So we drove to a natural spring. It was about an hour away, and I was so excited. And I get there. Well, now the state has taken over all these springs. They own them all. The state's bottom all. When I was a kid, it was every man for himself. It was like Folly Beach. It was just a redneck haven. Now it's completely controlled. And they only let so many people in the spring per day. So we get there, we had to wait in line another hour and 45 minutes to get into the spring. So I.

[Jase Robertson]

Could they charge you or was that free?

[Zach Dasher]

No, they, they. Well, they didn't charge you except for my time. So that. That was good. They didn't charge us.

[Jase Robertson]

Okay, well, I'll give you some tough love. You chose to be there.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, you did so. But you got to spend time with your family.

[Zach Dasher]

I got to spend time with the family. That was good. Now, how many times have you heard somebody say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

[Phil Robertson]

I hear it all the time, Zay.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Phil Robertson]

All right, so I got some gifts today. There was. So this weekend was one of those interesting times. I happened to be in town and there was a guy named Corey that was traveling through. His kid was in a baseball tournament and. And he has been a podcast listener. His life has completely changed. Wonderful story. And so I baptized him in my swimming pool Saturday. It was great. He was just on the way through and we were able to work it out because I was in town and then I found out there was another guy named Dustin. Dustin, that was from Arkansas that was here yesterday. And Jason.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. You preached yesterday. And he responded.

[Phil Robertson]

He responded. And so he was baptized as well. So he had some gifts. So this was for your. This was your gift, Jace. He gave you a deck of cards that Arkansas.

[Jase Robertson]

He gave me a deck of Arkansas.

[Phil Robertson]

Razorback cards because he knew you were a poker player.

[Jase Robertson]

And so which kind of went in with your lesson. It did because it was on deceit.

[Phil Robertson]

So he gave me this Arkansas Razorback tumbler, which I have a feeling is going to go to Matty from here.

[Jase Robertson]

This is excited as I've ever seen Maddie doing.

[Phil Robertson]

But Matty, wait, he gave something to you. He gave you a baseball that came from Omaha and it says Omahogs on it and I had him sign it and it says Maddie Woo pig, Dustin. So. So Maddie, he was thinking about you, which I have a feeling you'll probably get all these gifts if I would.

[Jase Robertson]

Have just got her that shirt.

[Zach Dasher]

He's not. These aren't guests. He's trolling you guys. That's what he's doing.

[Phil Robertson]

He's actually a wonderful guy. He's about your age, Zach, and he. He has a very interesting story of. In my sermon, I said, what about that sermon? That's it. He said, oh, dude. He told me hit where I live because I was. My sermon was from the book of Joshua, chapter nine. And it's called the Gibeonite Deceit. That's what the header says in the Bible above that chapter. And I, I made the comment it was like a born movie. I mean, that would be a good title, the Gibeonite Deceit. You know, I mean, just it sounds like. And so the whole thing is about these. These, you know, Joshua was told to clear out everybody around there. These guys come in, they did this whole ruse and to not get wiped out. And instead of anybody like checking it out or doing it, they questioned it. But then they just bought it. And the key verse, my grandkids were the scripture readers, son. And the key verse was said they sampled the provisions, but they did not seek out the Lord, which was the whole key. I could have done the whole sermon just on that. Because that's the deal when you sample the provisions because it was a lie. So it winds up sparing their lives, but it causes all kinds of conflict. The whole next war is because of what happened. I didn't get. Somebody else will preach that next week. But then later on the whole bunch gets wiped out because they become the Tribe of Benjamin because of sexual immorality and all this terrible stuff that happened. So it's interesting because Dustin's life had been that. I mean, he talked about just being a deceitful person with a double life for most of his life. But the podcast has helped him, you know, find in Christ what is needed. So yesterday he started his new life, which is pretty cool. So, Maddie, you get some Arkansas gifts because of Dustin.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm gonna. Do you play cards, Maddie? Well, okay. Maddie plays cards.

[Phil Robertson]

Who would have thought that she's from Arkansas. She plays cards.

[Jase Robertson]

I got a. I just came into possession a nice little deck with.

[Phil Robertson]

Full of hogs.

[Jase Robertson]

And I like that.

[Phil Robertson]

He's a hog. He's an Arkansas man, so. Which is good. I don't. Jase, you were there. What'd you think of the sermon? I mean, what was your.

[Jase Robertson]

I thought it was. I think when you go through the book of Joshua, that's a rough. Yeah, I mean, like, if it was me, I would do about three lessons on the high point, because you did one a few weeks ago that I thought was.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, Jericho.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Kind of like the spiritual warfare. But I thought. I thought you did. Well, and there is a deceit. I mean, we know the evil one has many names. Satan, the devil. And he's even mentioned where we're at in John 12 here. But it's done in a way that you realize no matter what happens or how you view the evil one, Jesus is lord of lords and king of kings. And the evil one, despite his practices on the earth, is a servant of the same king. I mean, Jesus is the ultimate warrior, defeater of enemies, which is how I.

[Phil Robertson]

Kind of cast it at the end, because anything that I do in the Old Testament, I believe all of it is just a big neon sign that is pointing to Jesus. And so at the end of the sermon, I got into John 10, which we talked about on the podcast, because there he talks about just what you just said. I'm the gate. I'm the good shepherd. But he acknowledges that we have an enemy, that his purpose is to keep us away from that. So, you know, the same thing with Matthew 7, too.

[Jase Robertson]

But what my point is, he's a deceiver, a seducer. So I really think. I don't know how to say this, really. I feel like as followers of Jesus, people. People over emphasize the evil one's power. Yeah. And I think, you know, I mean, you don't underestimate because he is a deceiver and a tempter, but, you know, and we realize our own sin. It's kind of like what I just told Zach. He chose to do it. The evil one is not God.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

He was created by God. And so we know since he's created by God, he's a. He's a creature.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So he's not. But. But in. In the church, people have him everywhere. They have him in everybody's mind simultaneously.

[Phil Robertson]

Like he's omnipresent, which he's not.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, and all knowing, right. Everybody's like, oh, the. The devil. No, no, that. That is not in the Bible.

[Phil Robertson]

True.

[Jase Robertson]

And it just. I think it. It makes you. When you. I think when you overestimate the evil one, you underestimate your own sin. Because ultimately he made a choice. And we go back to the beginning. He did start this downward spiral with his suggestion and temptation.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

But still, Adam and Eve, they knew God said, don't do this.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

And he just gave a thought, and that desire led to a decision.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So. Because I think you look at the same way with God. He doesn't make people do stuff either.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

So, you know, why would you give the evil and even more power? It's like, well, the devil made me do it. Even though God doesn't make you do anything either. So that's why we have. Have a choice in there.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. I love the way James puts it. He says each one is dragged away and enticed by his own evil desire. So I think that to your point, we. We give the devil credit when a lot of times, you know, it's our own evil desires that drag us away and entice us, and then that's the birth of sin comes out of your own evil heart. And so I think that when you think about the enemy out there, if you use Exodus language, who's our Egypt, who's our Pharaoh? It is Satan. He's one of them. And then it is other people who have hurt us. And then the third one, and the one that we don't want to mention is us. We're our own enemy. My own wicked heart as my own enemy. And what Christ gives us deliverance from is he gives us deliverance from all three, eventually, all three of those, you know, but we can be freed from our own evil desires. We can be freed from our oppressor, Satan, and we can be free from the others who oppress us by their own evil desire or Satan's influence over them. So it's not that Satan's not real, and we should have a healthy reverence and respect for the evil one and his demonic realm. But we should also remember that we're a big part of the problem, too.

[Phil Robertson]

And part of my thrust on the sermon was because I made a point that when you swallow a lie and then you start making decisions based on a lie, which is what happened in the story. There's three possibilities that I came with, and there's probably more. But one is you're naive. In other words, you just think, well, you know, there's really. There really is no evil out there and we're not worried about it. Or you're lazy. Which all these people I do was go look. They didn't go look. Three days later, they wouldn't look. Yeah, they were living right there. I mean, they didn't go look. No due diligence. And the third is pride. In other words, you get to thinking, well, you know, I'm bulletproof, and therefore, I won't be affected by listening to lies. So that's the. You know, there's a. That's the balance off, is the awareness that people will be deceitful and they will lie. You just have to be aware. You know, more than anything else, you combat lies with truth, which ultimately becomes how we live every single day. So because, you know, you got to live with the consequences. Interesting. Because God laid this situation out for Israel. They made the oath to make a treaty with these people from Gibeon, and he didn't. I mean, God could have just wiped them out anyway, but he didn't. He said, okay, you made your call. You're going to live with the results that happen. And there were some bad results that happened. So I. I think that's part of it with us. You know, we make our calls sometimes, and then we have to live with the consequences that happen as a result. And sometimes that's in this life, sometimes it's in the next.

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[Jase Robertson]

It is. I think it gets tricky because God allows this. I mean, it's like, why doesn't God just. I mean, could he kill the evil one? Well, of course.

[Phil Robertson]

Yep.

[Jase Robertson]

He just snap his fingers. He's a created being. But God allows this to happen and it actually serves his purpose. I mean, think of the book of Job. Most people think, well, look what Satan did to Job's family. But when you read the text, actually God did it. He just allowed this messenger because it's hard to kind of identify who the evil one is. I mean, you think, well, he's some sort of fallen angel because you get all these pictures. But it doesn't explicitly say.

[Phil Robertson]

Because we just like he just appears in Genesis 3 and we don't know anything about him.

[Jase Robertson]

So you realize he's some kind of celestial being. And, you know, and if I'm. I'm just saying this because I get it, you know, you have this vision in. What is that? Ezekiel 28, where he compares kind of the evil one with this king. I think it was of Tyre, but it doesn't really explicitly say that. And then you have these passages in Peter and Jude where it's like these angels that have fallen. So they're created with a specific role in the image of God to be messengers to humans. And they. They basically had the same thing happen. Adam and Eve, they chose not to trust God, right? And so they become tempters. They're giving you messages. But then God uses that because they're not God, Right? He uses that for his purpose. I mean, just think about the Evil One having a hand in wanting to crucify Jesus. Right? And you have that passage in Corinthians, you know, that says that none of the rulers or the powers understood it, for if they had, they wouldn't have.

[Phil Robertson]

Crucified because it was their ultimate demise.

[Jase Robertson]

Which shows you the Evil One is not all knowing.

[Phil Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

Even in the Book of Job, he's like, remember the whole conversation started, it's like, well, the only reason that he's following you is you put a hedge around him.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, he's living his best life. Of course he's going to follow you.

[Jase Robertson]

Take it away and he'll curse. Well, guess what? The Evil One was wrong. He was not proven right. Which is my point. He's not. Don't put him on the God like.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is interesting you said that, Jace, because at the end of my lesson, I was out of time and so I didn't take the time to read this, but this was actually the last text I had because I was making the point that sometimes. And I was using some personal stuff that I had gone through last week as my own, like, guide point, that sometimes you get into something, you're not sure why you're doing it, and then you realize God has you there for some specific purpose. And I was going to relate that to Job. You just did it. But listen to Job's last word. This is the last chapter of Job. Here's what Job came to the conclusion of this whole episode in the Book of Job, he said, here's what Job said to God. I know that you can do all things. No purpose of yours can be thwarted, which. This is the way we should look at life. You asked, who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge? But he had asked Job that, surely he says, I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know. You said, listen now and I will speak. I will question you and you shall answer me. And here's Job's answer. This is probably the way we should all live. My eyes had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes. At the end of the day, he's like, you're God. I'm not. And I trust you ultimately to do that. And so I ask the question and the thing. Sometimes we say, God, why can't I get out of this whatever it is? And maybe a better question is, God, why do you have me in this? What do I need to do to either be a blessing to someone else, to show deliverance, whatever. The question is, you're in charge of this moment, this situation. And I used it as last week, I called a jury, jury duty, didn't want to go because, you know, it's open ended. Who wants an open ended situation that I may be there for weeks? You know, you don't. I mean, I don't expect that, but it may happen. I got stuff, I got podcasts to do, I got life to live. And yet the same time, when I went in there, there was this sister there that I hadn't seen in years. And she really means a lot to me. And Lisa, I hadn't talked to her in several years. And we caught up and then we were walking out of the courtroom and she says, you know, the last time I was in a courtroom, I said no. When she said, when I went through my divorce. You remember that? And I said, oh, I remember your divorce. And she said, do you remember you were here with me? And I didn't. I mean, unfortunately, I've been in a lot of courtrooms through the years of ministry, just supporting people, and I was there for her. Well, all these years later, she said that. And I thought it just hit me, this whole text I was been working on all week, I was like, God had me here for that. I mean, I was here to encourage this and she encouraged me. Plus, all these people recognized me and were telling me how great, you know, they love dad and all this stuff. And I was like, all right, God, I get it. You know, I didn't want to be here, but you said, this is where I want you. So.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, well. And the state of Louisiana said, and.

[Phil Robertson]

And I had a summons. Yeah, exactly. Of course, all these people are like, well, just tell them you didn't get it. And I said, well, that's. But I did get it. Yeah, well, that's deceiving. I can't do that.

[Jase Robertson]

Look, that's, you know, I mean, I just got a deck of cards. So I guess I'm thinking that I learned a lot just about how you should view Satan through playing poker. Which people. Who doesn't. Who categorize playing poker as gambling.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Appreciate me saying that because the game is about deceit.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

You're trying to Deceive other people. Lying is actually allowed in the guest part of the game. I was like, do you have it? You're like, sure, but that's part of the game. You can say that because. What, do you want me to turn my cards over and let you see? But you use human nature to try to deceive people in thinking they have the best hand when they actually do not. However, having said all that, because people who don't understand the game, they're like, well, how do you do that? You do it by betting. This doesn't seem. You can't have it this time. You're. You're telling a ruse, but at the end of the day, you choose whether to call or fold.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Or ray it. No matter what it looks like. Ultimately, I didn't make you put all your chips out there.

[Phil Robertson]

That would have been a good illustration for my servant yesterday.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, you're not a card player, but.

[Phil Robertson]

I'm the one who loses all the time.

[Jase Robertson]

I think, you know, most Christian people don't play it because of that reason. It's. It's. The game is all about trickery and deception. So it's not about the cards, really. You're just using that as a backdrop to trick people and put their money out when they.

[Phil Robertson]

And they have the best hand. Their human nature takes over, depending on how they.

[Jase Robertson]

You know why? Because they'll look at the site. They'll look at all. Oh, look at the middle. Yeah, they're like. You'll see them looking at it, and they're like, look at. I would love to have all that money. So when you get them doing that, they're in trouble.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

You know they've been tricked, but you still. And that's why there's so many con men in our world. Don't ever doubt it. It's the same concept, and we know the root of that and where it comes from, and it's contagious, just like sin is. We're born in this world where we're all having this moment in the garden. As humans, you have these other celestial beings that have fallen, so they're just giving you suggestions. There's no. I think where we get off is because we read some of these verses. You know, the evil one has taken you captive to do his will. Or even when we were in John 8, you know, you belong to your father, the devil. You know, he was a murderer from the beginning, but you realize it's a metaphor. You're acting like him. I mean, he's going back to you know, Cain and Abel, your life, you've gone along with this narrative that is anti God, right? But you chose it. So I think that's going to be important when we.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a huge point to me where we're heading in John 12, especially when we get to the end of this, because this whole section kind of lays out where he. John's going to conclude this part of this chapter with kind of a recap is what I call it, of everything Jesus been teaching up until this point. And choice is a big part of that too.

[Jase Robertson]

So we'll go through, we'll pick up where, you know, because I'm. I hate you. Ms. Zach wasn't boring, was it?

[Zach Dasher]

It was fired up. Was he fired up?

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, he was fired up.

[Jase Robertson]

Excited, which excites me. And so.

[Phil Robertson]

But we just, we didn't really. We just sort of bounced around because he was so excited about the concept of the son of man, that we spent most of our time with him talking about that, which is great and obviously a big theme. But we left off Zach, the last time you were here with. Right after Mary's anointing of Jesus and sort of this, I don't know what you'd call it, I guess a scandalous, provocative show of grace, you know, is the kind of way we described it. And we described it to the same woman over in Luke 7.

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[Phil Robertson]

But we got to the triumphal entry and we hadn't even mentioned that. So I want to read this text and let's talk about that because Zach, you talk a lot about this idea of Jesus as a king and the kingdom and that becomes the whole point. And so let's pick it up. In John 12:12 it says the next day. And so this is after that anointing that happened in Bethany the next day. The great crowd that had come for the feast, because remember, this is the beginning now of the Passover feast, heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem because they'd been looking for him. Remember, he kind of went off in the wilderness to prepare. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, which is a picture of a king, a returning king. That's the idea. And they said hosanna. And that's a direct quote from Psalm 118. No, I see. Is that. Yeah. Psalm 118. Blessed or blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Psalm 118 Blessed is the king of Israel. So they're saying it directly. He's a king. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written. So this was to fulfill prophecy as well. From Zechariah 9, do not be afraid, O daughter of Zion. See, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt. And a lot of scholars have said this is kind of more the idea of a king that comes in peace. So, you know, whatever you want to make of that. Verse 16 at first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that was after his resurrection, that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him. Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word. Many people, because they had heard that he had given this miraculous sign, talking about this death and raising him. And now, of course, he's the king coming in, went out to meet him. So the Pharisees said to one another, see, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him. Which is an interesting statement because it's just the people in Jerusalem at the feast, but they sort of see it as a bigger situation, which of course, it really is.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I wanted to say something about Psalm 118, because you remember a few podcasts ago, we did this thing on love from. From John 11.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Which, you know, he used the same agape Greek word for love in that he said he loved Lazarus, Mary and Martha and I did that kind of. We read. I think it was Psalm 136, where he's like, every sentence is, his love endures forever. But even then, the Psalm 118, because I know a lot of people say, well, you just picked out a psalm, which are songs. That's why you see these repeated lines. But I wanted to say, look, Even in Psalm 118, when you start reading, says, give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever. Well, we're back on it here.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah. Same thought.

[Jase Robertson]

Is this just a random occurrence? Let all Israel say, his love endures forever. Didn't he just say that? Let the house of Aaron say his love endures forever, verse 4. Let those who fear the Lord say his love endures forever. I mean, it's. It's almost. You're getting the point where this is the overarching motivation for this whole narrative.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Of bringing life to humanity. And I mean, when I say bringing life not only on this earth with a fulfilling life, you know, think John 10, life to the full, but an eternal life, which is going to be the last thing he says in John 12 here, which.

[Phil Robertson]

And I mentioned this on a previous podcast, James, but to your point, the only other time we see where Jesus openly wept, other than at the tomb of Lazarus, was when he was in this scene when he's coming into Jerusalem.

[Zach Dasher]

Daniel weeps for the.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah, I think it's Luke that. Luke 19. I think Luke 19, which says he wept over the city. To your point, why would he be. Why would he be weeping in this moment of coming in? And of course, we know the reason is, is because he knows what's going to happen in this place. You know, well, you got to go.

[Zach Dasher]

Back to, like Mark and Mark's account of the triumphal entry. As soon as Jesus goes into the city, where does he go? He goes to the temple and he turns over the tables in the temple. He gets really angry with what they've made of his Father's house. And he says that you've turned my father's house into a den of robbers. When this was actually meant to be a place for the nations to come and worship the one true God, which. There you get that picture, right, of that eschatology that we talk about of all the nations coming up. So it is interesting that as king, when Jesus enters into Jerusalem, the place that he goes is to where the king should live, which is in the palace, which is kind of the temple motif, right? And then he leaves the temple and comes back to the temple, and he. He has interaction there. And the disciples are like. They are on the Olivet. They're on the Mount of Olives. And they're like, look at the great. This great structure. And that's when Jesus gives that prophecy that all of the. This whole structure is coming to an end. And he says, not one stone will be left, you know, unturned. Or I forgot how he says, exactly. But in other words, this whole temple structure is going to collapse. And so he gives the prophecy of the destruction of the temple. And then he says something very profound in Mark 13, that. That this generation will not cease to pass before these things happen. So in other words, this is going to happen within the next 40 years. And then roughly about 40 years later was AD 70, and that's when the temple was destroyed. So I think that he's seeing all of this and Christ is coming in as a fulfillment of a lot of Old Testament prophecy. And we say this a lot. But I think this is so interesting. In John, in verse 16, it says that at first his disciples did not understand all of this. All of what they didn't understand, like, what's going on here? What's up with the palm branches? Why are they shouting hosanna? Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Blessed is the King of Israel. Do not be afraid, daughter of Zion. See, your king is coming. Seated on a donkey's colt. Like, they didn't understand that Jesus in that moment was actually fulfilling a messianic prophecy. Because the very next verse says, only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things have been written about him and that these things have been done to him. So think about, like, what this means is that they did not really understand what the heck was going on. They did not understand that all of that Old Testament scripture that they knew backwards and forwards, they knew it. They knew it very well. They did not know it in this moment, that it was all pointing to.

[Phil Robertson]

Jesus, which is exactly why he said that. I want to read this. I know Jay says the verse. And Luke, here's the verse you mentioned. Mark, Zach. This. Here's the way Luke put it. Luke 19:41. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it. And he said, if you even you had only known on this day what would bring you peace. But now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. There's that siege that's going to happen in 80, 70. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.

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[Jase Robertson]

That's why I brought this up about Psalm 118, and y' all quickly went to where I was going. Cause you think, why didn't they understand? Because if you read Zechariah, you think, what was his point here? If I go back and just read you the gist of it, this is Zechariah 9, 9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion. Shout, daughter of Jerusalem. See your king comes to you righteous and having salvation. Gentle and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey, which I think they thought, oh, he's going to deceive them. He's going to come in acting like he's meek. Is he going to be on a donkey? But watch what happens. I will take away the chariots and the war horses from Jerusalem, and the battle bow will be broken. He will proclaim peace to all the nations. His rule will extend from sea to sea and from the great river to the ends of the earth. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit. So what's the idea they are getting? Oh, he's fixed to take this Rome now. We're all going to be freed. He's going to turn and look. He's going to come in.

[Phil Robertson]

It's a ruse.

[Jase Robertson]

It's a ruse on the Donkey. But then he also quotes Psalm 118, which is why I read where it starts off. He's saying, his love endures forever. His love endures forever. Love endures forever. And then he gets to verse five. He says, in my anguish, I cry to the Lord. And he answered by setting me free. Same language. The Lord is with me. I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Same language, we're taking over. But he started off saying, his love endures forever. Four times, the Lord is with me. He is my helper. I will look in triumph on my enemies. Now, this is before we get to the quote that John uses here. This is before in Psalm 118 to the quote that John uses. But watch when he goes on in that psalm. Read the whole psalm in your own time. But verse 22, it says, the stone the builders rejected has become the capstone. Sound familiar?

[Phil Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

The Lord has done this. And it is marvelous in your eyes. This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad. O Lord, save us. Grant us success, O Lord. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord from the house of the Lord. We bless you. So there's the quote. The Lord is God and has made his light shine upon us, which has been the whole theme, one of the themes of John. And watch this. You are my God, and I will give you thanks. You are my God, and I will exalt you. Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever. And I think that's the part they were missing in that, okay, he's coming as king, but his main weapon is love. And that's why he didn't look like the king they were expecting, because they were like, he's coming with muscle. And they didn't understand the love aspect. And I think that's why they ultimately didn't embrace him. I mean, he had no power from their eyes. He was from the wrong part of town.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

He had no money. He had no political pedigree. He had no religious pedigree.

[Phil Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

He didn't have any money. His followers are a bunch of fishermen and, you know, a tax collector. Just a montage group. And. But I think it's interesting that he used those two places to quote from, because you combine them together and you're like, oh, wow, this is a king who's a lover. That's what he's going to do. Pretty fascinating.

[Phil Robertson]

Which I remember. You remember that text where he talked about that he brings a bring. He did bring a sword, but it wasn't the way you would think a sword would be used. It was a sword that divides us. In other words, it's the sword that divides your heart from what you thought was the way to his way. And so you read that verse in Hebrews. It talks about the sword that goes down to the marrow. I mean, dividing inside of who a person is and who they're going to live their life for. And so that really is the sword. It becomes the ultimate decision, do I trust him or do I not? Is he my king or no?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, I think about the sword, the sword of truth. You know, like you were talking about the deceit earlier from your. Your sermon, and I was thinking about the nature of evil. It really is rooted in deceit.

[Phil Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

When Satan speaks a lie, then he's actually speaking in his native tongue. The scripture would say. And so if you think about reality is God's reality, and it doesn't change based on our perception of it. It's his reality. He reveals that reality to us. And that reality is good because that reality is ultimately himself. And so evil and sin is just a deviation from what's real and what's true. And I think that's the. That's the overarching thing of what love is, is. Love is. Is, you know, connected to truth because God's revealing himself through truth, but him, he is love. And so I think that that's why we. You can't separate truth from love. And so I think that's what's happening in the end is the way that he's waging war. He's actually bringing. Bringing the. The sword of truth into our hearts. And he's cutting away the things that would prevent us from seeing the ultimate reality, which is his inner life, that he's invited us in to participate in, and that's what he's offering. Not everybody wants that, though. And he's going to give you if you don't want that. I mean, obviously he's going to honor that and he's going to say to you, thy will be done. As C.S. lewis said, there's two kind of people in the world, those who say to God, thy will be done, and then those to whom God says, thy will be done.

[Phil Robertson]

Well, and that's the interesting look, sort of ironic fact here, Zach, is because when you get to 80, 70, it looks like because Jesus had been predicting all this. Well, this is when it all started. But it had already been going on for 40 years. People already had the kingdom, had Been spreading like wildfire all across Rome and all across Macedonia and all across these places. And the kingdom was already here and working. And so by the time the temple went down and this kind of old commitment to a messiah that was already there, it was already off and running. Which is what made him sad that so many people missed out.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, but Zach, when he. I thought Zach did a good job explaining that. Because when people say, why are you making such a big deal about this truth and love that he's bringing this king who's a lover. Well, fast forward to the book of Ephesians, and here's this exalted Christ above, you know, all powers and a thought, including the evil 1, Ephesians 1:15. He's exalted above all powers. He's bringing heaven and earth together under one head, you know, in Christ. And you get to Ephesians 4 talking about him being ascended so that he can fill the whole universe, and he starts talking about his body, which is the church, and he gets down to verse 14, and it's like us growing as the body of Christ. We're no longer tossed back and forth by every wind of teaching and the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Well, why instead, as the church, the group of people who have surrendered to the King of Kings, instead speaking the truth in love. It was the exact statement that Zach just said. So it popped into my. My head. We will, in all things, grow up into him who is the head. That is Christ. I think that's the connecting dots for us, which is why if you're going to be like Jesus, you're going to have to spend a lot of time reading what he did and what he said, because he's even going to make that point at the end of this chapter. The very words that I'm saying will judge you from the Father. I mean, the very things coming out of my mouth.

[Phil Robertson]

Which is why I think that makes this moment that we're here in the text so powerful, is because it was a powerful moment, if we imagined it and what that looked like. And we watch people like Dallas Jenkins and others that recreate this event. But for us who realized that our king had come, as we look back all These, you know, 2,000 years later, this was a huge, momentous event. So we're out of time, but we'll pick it up here next time in John 12. I'm unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.