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Ep 1144 | Jase Loses His Cool at the Airport & Living As the Irish Live
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Jase Robertson
I am unashamed. What about you?
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Phil Robertson
Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason, the last podcast you told us about your travels during our little time off. And so while you were in the great state of Colorado and Pennsylvania. And Pennsylvania, I did the opposite of what you did. I did an event first in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. No, I flew into Cedar Rapids, Cedar Falls, Iowa, which the Cedar river, by the way, is very rapid and has falls, which is why they call it that, which surprised me. I didn't know they had that up in Iowa. But it was a beautiful place. The weather was fantastic. It was so cool and nice. And I did this event and a young man came up to me and said, I'm so glad you mentioned this on the podcast, because I drove like two hours from Davenport I would just to meet you, you know, which was really cool, which is why we talk about our events.
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Jase Robertson
Did you. Did you or Lisa bring a black iron skillet?
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Phil Robertson
We did not. But I will say this. When you were telling the story last time, it made me think, we have gone and bought black iron skillets and then just left them before.
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Jase Robertson
You know what I actually did after that? I moved a black cast iron skillet up to the three things I would take on a deserted island if I was trapped there.
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Phil Robertson
Because you can cook it on an open flame and it does great.
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Jase Robertson
It does fantastic.
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Phil Robertson
That's exactly right. That's pretty good. So, Jase, we went from Iowa straight to Ireland.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, wow.
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Phil Robertson
The country of Ireland I'd never been before.
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Jase Robertson
Is that why you're donning the shirt?
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Phil Robertson
I am. This was a souvenir shirt that Lisa bought for me. So I'm wearing my Irish shirt today. So now I have a shirt to wear on St. Patrick's Day. I guess that's green. But I'd never been. I've been to Scotland because we filmed over there for the duck show. And then I've been to England two or three times, but I'd never been to Ireland. Always wanted to go. And it was really interesting because, like, we wound up like we first got there. It's really interesting because I drove all over Ireland on the left side of the road, which. Just think about that for a minute. Like, I've done it a little bit in the Bahamas, but there's like one road in Bahamas, but this is big cities, you know, the wrong. From our perspective, the wrong side of the road. So the fact I did it for one week and didn't wreck the car. I never hit anybody.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, and you drove on the wrong side.
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Phil Robertson
I drove on the wrong side for a week. Jaz. All over this place.
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Jase Robertson
Could you understand the accent? Because they speak English, but it's a.
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Phil Robertson
It's difficult. It is difficult. It's. It is English, but it's definitely its own brand. And so I struggled with it. But we have some friends that. That from LA that are film producers. They've been on the podcast before, Anna Fellum. And they, they. They're Irish, so they live there six weeks in the summer. And so we stayed at their house. So here's what's interesting. So we wound up in Dublin the last couple of days, and it's very touristy and it just, you know, it's. It's a nice place, but it was a big city with a bunch of bars in it. Kind of reminded me of going to New Orleans or something like that. So that wasn't really the highlight of my trip. The highlight. We were up in the northern part of Ireland with Anna Fellum, and I felt like we just kind of lived a week or five days of being Irish people. We went into people's homes, we met people, friends of theirs. We went into a couple of the pubs they have there. And they're really interesting because they're kind of just gathering places for them, you know, really interesting. And we got to. Probably the highlight of the thing for me was we got to go in a castle which was there in Mullockmoor, which is where their house is. And they just said, we're going to go to this castle. You know, in your mind, when you hear the word castle, you're thinking like something you'd see on TV with the, you know, like huge areas and like, I don't know where Batman would live or something. I don't know. I didn't know what to expect. I had these things in my mind. We go in there. It's just a person lived there. It was just like. I mean, it was. It was big and like high ceilings and stuff, but it was just like they had a fire going, you know. And so we went in and she served us something to drink in the drawing room. We sat and visited. They were telling us about the history of the place. And then she takes us in the dining room. This is a big, fancy dining room. And we go in there and we have Irish coffee and cake, you know, after that. And then she gave us a little tour of the place. But it was just stuff like that. It was really interesting. One night we went and saw a play that was done by a local troupe of Irish actors and. And it was a famous Irish play called the Field. There's been a movie made about it, which I'm going to watch now. But it was really interesting. So you were talking about the accent. I'm watching this play, and I'm getting about every third word. It's almost like I'm listening in a foreign language. But, you know, I learned a lot about the Irish people because they've had a lot of war, civil war over there, a lot of war with the Brits. And so it was very interesting to sort of get into their mindset, and they're all very intrigued and interested in American politics. And most of the questions they asked me were about Trump, which was interesting because they can't quite figure him out, you know, so they. Well, I was like, well, good luck with that. I started to call Zach, since he worked for him at one point.
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Jase Robertson
But did you speak over there or.
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Phil Robertson
I didn't speak. No. We just. Like, we were. We were just tourists. Like, we were just the ones from Ireland.
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Jase Robertson
Let's go to Ireland.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah. Our friends were there and they'd been inviting us, so we're like, okay, we're gonna go.
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Jase Robertson
I know you're my brother, but you just do some weird things. Let's just.
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Zach Dasher
Just goes to Ireland.
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Phil Robertson
I just go to Ireland. I spent five days. It's on the Irish coast, though, up north. Some of the hard.
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Zach Dasher
That's a hard five days is. That's a lot of.
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Phil Robertson
That's a. Oh, yeah, it's. Well, you know. And I had to break the Benjamin Franklin rule because we were staying with our friends for five days. And, you know, Benjamin Franklin said, gas are like fish. They stink after three days.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
And I broke the rule. But we had a great time. You know, they. When they lay out a spread every morning for breakfast, it's not, you know, always like, what we would have. It would be like some smoked salmon and.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Phil Robertson
You know, meats and cheeses and stuff.
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Jase Robertson
One of my favorite people on the planet is Jim McGuigan.
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Phil Robertson
You remember, he preacher back, and I wonder where he would do, you know, what.
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Jase Robertson
Like, he was from Northern Ireland, which.
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Phil Robertson
Is where I was at.
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Jase Robertson
He used to tell stories, but when I first would hear him speak, I couldn't understand. Oh, it's so hard for what he said. But he really taught me at a young age that the Bible is about a person. That little jingle I use in a lot of my speeches where from Genesis to Malachi is about Jesus coming and Matthew to John. Jesus is here in acts of the Revelation. Jesus is coming back. I got that from him. But it just hit me like a ton of bricks. I was like, this is about a person. And so.
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Phil Robertson
Well, I wish we.
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Jase Robertson
We later on in life and he's still alive, although he's, you know, he's up in year. I think he's around 90. But we got to be good friends, you know, in the Lord. So. And mainly digitally, I would love.
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Phil Robertson
And I don't know now that I could have that conversation with Jim, but I would love. Now that I've been to Ireland, I would love to ask him questions. Because when we would talk about spiritual things, it was interesting because they sort of. Most of the people I was talking to, they were viewing things through the prism of just religious battle, like between Protestants.
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Jase Robertson
That was the heritage.
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Phil Robertson
Exactly. So they don't really like. It's hard to find common ground to just have a conversation.
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Jase Robertson
Is it crazy that we're talking about this and then at the root of this is love, you know, attaching it to God's will and him showing his disciples the full extent of his love. And then you have people who come out of that background where all they know about religion is fights and war and conflict. I mean, there's been a lot of bad things done in the name of religion and Christ, you know.
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Phil Robertson
Well, and it was really interesting because we went to two or three pubs that were. And these are all in the town. This is kind of the local place. And then. So Phelim, the last night we were there in his area, took me to an IRA pub which was. This was Irish Republican Army. So this is like the other side of the issue. And so it was really interesting. When you walk in there, he said, you're going to hear some Irish rebel songs tonight. And we went in, sure enough, this guy's singing all these old songs to them. I mean, they were new to me about their troubles and their fights and their. All the different things. And on the wall there were all these pictures of these martyrs from their movement. And it just. I was. I was fascinated by it because, you know, we have our own issues in America. We've had a civil war. We've had a lot of stuff going on. But it was. When you go into another culture and you learn about these things, especially that the backdrop of so much of it was religious stuff. It was very intriguing to me to. To be a part of that.
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Jase Robertson
Well, that just. I had a. I had something happen to me in the airport that just infuriated me. I don't know why. When you Told that story, I thought, because it's just, it's hard for us to get along with people. I couldn't find my earphones. And we're going on, I'm going on a trip for a week. And I love listening to sermons, worship music. I, I like those earphones. Couldn't find them. So I thought, well, I'll just buy some. So the first place we stopped in Dallas, I said, well, I'll just go in here first little pub, you know, where I could buy something, which I knew I was going to pay way too much for them. Well, I didn't understand the concept of Bluetooth earphones. I get that from my dad, I guess.
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Phil Robertson
And so you're a low tech man, Jason?
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, I go up over on the wall and it's like wireless because I always, either I have a little adapter, I plug them into my phone, or I plug it into my computer. Well, it said wireless. And I thought, is this going to be too much trouble? And, well, there's a sign on the board with all these earphones that says, please ask an attendant for help. It's the biggest sign on the wall. Well, right at my feet, there's a woman who obviously works there who she's stocking shelves and I see a stack of these earphones. She's putting them up. I said, ma', am, can you help me? Because I'm wondering whether if I buy this, that I have the capabilities or give me a little tutorial on if I need wireless earphones. I was wondering how that works. I mean, or do a wire come with it? I'm comfortable with the wire, you know, so it's like that selling point, because it's like wire. Everything said wireless. Well, she just looked at me, said, nothing, went back to doing what she was doing. And I said, do you work here? And she looked back up, nothing. I thought, well, I know she's hearing me. She's two feet from me.
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Phil Robertson
And so I said, does she have earbuds in.
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Jase Robertson
Well, no, But I thought, well, you know, what would you do? I need help. It said, there's a sign in this store that says, please ask attendant.
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Phil Robertson
Don't do it on your own assistance.
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Jase Robertson
And so I said, I need assistance. She looks up at me again. So when she looked the third time, I said, I thought, maybe she doesn't speak English. And she shook her head no. So Missy is over at the little rail because she didn't come in the store, but it's an open rail. And I walk over, and she said, what are you doing? And I was like, there's a sign. I tell her the whole story, and she's like, babe by them. They will be fine. I will. I will help you through it. I said, okay. So I go over there, grab the box. Well, when I grab the box, the woman. Same woman. She hasn't moved. She looks up at me, and she moves to the checkout because now I have a box. And so I handed the box. Wasn't a problem. She scanned it. I look at the.
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Phil Robertson
The one language everybody understands.
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Jase Robertson
She doesn't say a word. And then look in the clearest English you've ever heard. She said, would you like a receipt? Well, I looked over at Missy.
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Phil Robertson
She faked the no English.
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Jase Robertson
And I said, is that the only English phrase you know? And she said, no, I speak perfect English. I said, well, what happened over there a while ago? She said, would you like a receipt? She. She wouldn't. I was like, why did you.
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Zach Dasher
Well, you offended her.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, you know. Well, I guess I offended her, but I thought I was a victim of facial profiling. So I. I just couldn't help it. I couldn't let it go. I said, there's a. That sign said, ask attendant. That's the only reason I asked you. And she said, would you like a receipt? And I said, well, on the box. So I said, well, let me. I went to open the box. She said, you can't open that box. And I was like, why not? And there was a sign right beside the one that says, please see attendant that says, do not open box. So then I said, well, why Would I need a receipt? Because I can't. If I can't open the box before I leave the store. Because she said, and there's a no return policy. She threw that in there. I said, so let me get this right. I can't return it. I can't open it to see if there's actually a.
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Phil Robertson
It's empty. Then you're just.
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Jase Robertson
So I said, well, I got a question. Why would I need a receipt? She said, that's actually a valid point. I said, well, I don't think I want the receipt. So in that moment, I was so infuriated that I thought, you know what Jesus was about Conversations. And I said, have you ever read the story of the Tower of Babel? And she said, I have no idea what that means. I said, it's strange. It's how we got the different languages. I said, but fortunately the creator of the universe came to this earth to let us speak one language that we could understand. She just had the strangest look. I said, check it out. Read the Book of John. It's in the Bible.
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Zach Dasher
She had the strangest look, Al.
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Phil Robertson
Oh, yeah.
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Jase Robertson
So that was the conversation.
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Phil Robertson
That's the reason she was having a strange encounter. How can I tell my story, though, Zach, is because I drove all over another country on the wrong side of the road without incident. Jase can't make it through one airport without having a complete meltdown with a woman.
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Jase Robertson
No, I didn't have a meltdown, but I've been impressed that you brought up Jesus. And I thought, you know, I was so angry and I don't get angry, but I'm angry now just thinking about it.
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Zach Dasher
I saw you, I saw you get angry when I yawned in one of your dissertations. I was angry then, like, and I, and I didn't. I mean, I. You mentioned it four times after I did it too. So I knew, like, I. That's the first time I've seen. I've got under Jason's skin that I.
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Phil Robertson
Knew about a rabbit hol of understanding. He looks up to. For Zach to be following along close. And Zach, that's what he did.
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Zach Dasher
Oh, he brought it up four times. And then we had another kind of, I say, a good, a good catch up talk. And, and, and he, and, and you brought it up again. He said, now one other thing.
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Jase Robertson
Catch up talk. Zach, to your credit, you apologize for yawning, I think. Matty, did you edit that out of the podcast? When I looked at you and said, did he just yawn? She edited that out. Look, 99.9% of our podcast is non edited. I will say that.
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Zach Dasher
But we'll try to find it and put it back in. So, you guys, I think it should.
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Jase Robertson
Become a meme that when I chase a rabbit hole that Zach finds boring. We should just interject that you can push that. But.
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Phil Robertson
So I will say one thing about the power of the human mind. You can. You can trick yourself into driving on the wrong side. But as soon as I landed in Pensacola, Florida, I got in my truck, I pulled out of the parking thing, and I went into the left lane. Some woman. And I'm like, oh, no, I'm not in Ireland anymore. So it was the only time.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I went to a foreign country, too. During the break, I went to Arkansas. And it was.
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Jase Robertson
Look, let me tell you, Maddie gave a look.
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Phil Robertson
Oh, you should see the look she got from Maddie. She looks like Jace did when you yawn when you just said that.
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Zach Dasher
Well, I'm talking about parts unknown. I mean, it was. I mean, I. You know, I went to school in Arkansas. I went to the same school that Maddie went to. I know, but we left our little mountain town, which is known for their summer camps, and drove 15 hours to the mountains to go to a summer camp, which was for the children's home that Jill serves on the board at. And we were out there for. For four or five days or. You talking about the middle of nowhere. You get up into parts of the Ozark Mountains and it's.
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Jase Robertson
It's a different.
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Zach Dasher
Different world for sure.
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Jase Robertson
Isn't that crazy? We all left to crazy places and we were just trying to beat the heat. But, well.
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Phil Robertson
And look, by the way, we. We wore jackets the whole time. It was.
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Zach Dasher
No, we were hot. We were hot where we were at. But I'm gonna tell you something. You want to talk about an unknown secret I'm about to tell the world, but you get up in the. Into parts of the Ozark Mountains and there's like no development, but it is some of the most beautiful part of the country that, you know, I mean, it's incredible.
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Phil Robertson
I love it up there. All right, so we're back from our travels. We thought we'd regale you with some stories. Of course, nothing. Jace is always going to have some crazy story, so.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I mean, you can't make that up. Yeah, look, it put my faith to the test. That was a faith test. And that could have gone awfully wrong.
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Phil Robertson
I'm wondering why she just ignored your first two questions. She didn't ignore me. Yeah, just.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I think she was busy.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And she was. But you know, I'm like, these airports, I know we got to move on, but this stuff is so overpriced.
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Phil Robertson
Oh, yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And you would think if somebody's going to buy a spare. I spent $55 for those earphones and I figured it out, but it's way more complex than the ones I had. I'd rather just plug it in.
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Phil Robertson
Right.
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Jase Robertson
You know, I'm like, they should be. If I, if I. If a human being walks in there and says, yeah, I'm going to buy some of those and you're getting paid for this. You should roll out a red carpet, play a band music or some kind of soothing music. And you know what was really bad is when we came back home and I landed right before my six hour nap because I'd had no sleep. I walked through the bedroom and I looked over on a little. We have a little love seat in our bedroom for some unknown reason and that we never sit on. And there was my earphones, the ones I couldn't find just out, like with light shining. Here they were the whole time.
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Phil Robertson
And I thought, what's funny is I lost mine too, right before this trip, but I've never found mine.
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Jase Robertson
I thought there was a purpose for this, Al, but I'm really struggling with what that was. But it was a test. And.
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Phil Robertson
Well, I will say one thing, because I spent a lot of time in airports and I would say that, and I wouldn't say this about every single person, but I would say the common theme is most people that work at an airport, in store or restaurant act like they do not want to be there.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, they do.
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Phil Robertson
So there it is. Would you want to be there? No, I wouldn't.
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Jase Robertson
I mean, but it is a travesty that should be changed.
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Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
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Phil Robertson
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Jase Robertson
I'm going to attempt to make a segue here.
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Phil Robertson
I'm going to see this segue.
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Jase Robertson
Well, because I think when, when, you know, we did a whole podcast without the stories, I guess, about what I noticed a connection with why Jesus came, why God the Father sent him, and understanding that what his will is, why did he do that? I think it's a good question. And it came from. We're making a list of questions in John and this one in John 13.
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Phil Robertson
Verse 12, verse 12, which in my. The way I outlined John, this kicks off another little section. The first one was like him washing their feet and then them not quite understanding. And then he's now going to take it to this next level. And he begins with this.
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Jase Robertson
He does. And that's where we're at. And I reference John 7, 16 and 17 because it says, my teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. And then it says if anyone chooses to do God's will, that phrase. And so I did a rabbit hole every time it says that in the New Testament. And it says basically what Jesus says here. He will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. But in this case, when he asked, do you understand? There's so many passages that mirror that. And just the first one I think that pops in your head is Romans 12, 1:2, when he says, in view of God's mercy, offer your bodies as living, sacrifice, holy and Pleasing to God. This is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Well, this next sentence then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is. His good, pleasing and perfect will. And my point is even like this silly airport story, I think a lot of Christians, they wake up every day, they're trying to look for God's will in these little situations. Well, I wonder what God's will is in this situation. But when you read in the Bible, when he starts talking about good God's will, it's connected to being like Jesus and Jesus revealing the will of God in what he did. And in this case John 13, he washed the disciples feet, saying I'm leaving you an example that you should follow. And so I pointed out in Romans 13, when he goes through this loving your neighbor and he goes, you know, talks about the commandments, but it's not what Jesus was introducing when he washed his disciples feet is really a new definition of what it means to be holy. Because I think most people think being holy is not doing wrong. He did just the opposite. He's like, watch what I do for you. He washed their feet, even the guy that was fixed to betray him. And so I think that's what we've missed is we're thinking, oh, I want to be holy. That means I can't do anything wrong. No, being holy is offering your body as a living sacrifice, which was the image of what he was betraying, and washing the feet that would lead him to a cross. And I find this interesting. You see the same language in First John 2, which is a very. It was something I had never noticed. So in First John 2:15 it says do not love the world or anything in the world. Which sounds a lot like Romans 12. It's like, don't conform to the pattern of the world, but be transformed. Well, watch what this is. If anyone loves the world when they start talking about love, which the whole book of First John is about love, the love of the Father is not in him, which is why God came down in Jesus. He's showing that in John 13. And then it says, for everything in the world, the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boasting of what he has and does comes not from the Father, but from the world. The world and its desires pass away. But watch what this says. But the man who does the will of God lives forever. Well why did Jesus come? John 10:10 he come that he may have life. Why is he showing them the full extent of why he came through, washing the disciples feet, which he then just point blank says, as I have loved you, you should love one another. I'm leaving you an example. And then he picks that up in John 15. Same vain, same line. Well, when you read first John from COVID to cover, it has all the same elements in it like in John 2 and verse 6, whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. Well, Jesus did some walking, but he also did some kneeling and washed their feet. I mean, isn't that fascinating how that, that phrase keeps coming up with this idea of revealing God's love and his pursuit of us?
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, and I think it goes back to what we brought out in the last podcast, is that's because God is love. Another quote from First John 4. Therefore his nature is always going to be revealed in this way, which is why Jesus becomes that personification of it, which is what we're talking about.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I wanted to bring this up and see what y' all think, if I can find my phone. So I, there's several new Christians that I have, I guess you would call them discipleship conversations with them. And this one who's, I'd say he's been in about three months and he read through John and he asked questions and we, we went back and forth. He's like, where do I go next? I mean this guy, we are studying every night and he sends me texts at about the same time every night, about 11 o'. Clock. And then he's like, well, what's next? And that went on for weeks. I was like, well, read the book of Acts. He read the Book of Acts questions, you know. So he's like, where do I go next? I was like, why don't you go to First John? Because you read John because that's what we're going to do, right? And so he sent me a question based on First John, which is where he's at now. And I wanted to read it because when you brought that First John four up, I thought it was fascinating. So he asked me a question about First John 5:1, which is something I really never thought about. But he says I'm kind of confused about what First John 5:1 means. And I, when I read that text I thought, what does First John 5:1 say? So I went over here and read it. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God and everyone who loves the Father loves his child as well. So what is your initial you know, I'm like, here's a guy, he's 18 years old, he read that and he thought, what does that mean?
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Phil Robertson
I mean, I would say the same thing. We've been studying in John that. I mean, if you believe Jesus is God and he is from God, then you love him the same. I mean, that would have been my initial reaction.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah. So here's what I put. And y' all can jump in here. I put on first John 5:1. The whole overarching nature of God is love, because you have. So you have first John 4:16 that you mentioned. It says, and so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
- [30:46]
Phil Robertson
God is love.
- [30:47]
Jase Robertson
God is love. He also says that in 4, 7, and 8. Dear friends, let us love one another. Well, this is the same phrase, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love. In which. We did this before. Where. What does it mean for us to know God? Well, what it means is when you try to get to know God, you realize, well, he's known you all along, and he knows you better than anyone else. And when you try to pursue God, when you find him, you're like, oh, he's been pursuing me all along. That's why Jesus came. So I kind of made that point. But I just. I want to continue reading what I said. So I then put the whole overarching nature of God is love. That is why I put this in parentheses. God in his nature. And I have to give Zach credit, you know, I got a lot of this from him, is three distinct persons, but one God. It points to the fact that God is love. And then I put. Read 1 John 4:8 and 1 John 4:16, again, which we just read.
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Zach Dasher
It's interesting that I was going to add a little caveat to that, too. So you hear the word believe. Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ has been born of God and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. So if you believe, then you're. You're born of God. I think we wrongly interpret the word belief. We think that this is merely a mental ascent. Like. Like. Almost like a. Like I have. I have this acquisition in my cognition. I have this. I've acquired a certain, like, belief that, okay, I believe that two plus two is four. I got that information. It's almost like it's an. It's just information that you've acquired. I don't think that's what it means, though. I think this is much more to your point of a relational belief. It's belief in God. It's trusting in. It's. It's faith. It's. And I actually believe God. I believe in him. I believe like this is like where I put my hope. It's a know. It's not a. It's not a mental, just simply a mental ascent. It really is a relational connection, which I think is. If you were trying to unpack the word love, that's really what love is. It's a relational connection. Right. First God loves us, then we love him back. So I think that it's more about that than it is just an intellectual ascent. It's a participatory knowledge. Everybody knows there's a lot of things you can do to reduce your monthly cost and improve your, your finances. But who's got the time to go through all of that and figure it out and decide kind of what to trim? Well, that's what I want to tell you about our, our partner here, Rocket Money. With Rocket Money, crunching the numbers for you, leveling up your money game is an easier way to get this done and save lots of money. One of the things I noticed when I downloaded the Rocket Money app is that I was paying for the same subscription three or four times on some of these. So what Rocket Money is, it's a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions. It monitors your spending, and it helps you lower your bills so that you can grow your savings. And so one of the things that you can do with the app is you can see all your subscriptions in one place. And if you see something you don't want, well, Rocket Money can help you cancel it. Rocket Money's dashboard, by the way, it helps you keep track of all your spending, alerts you if any of your bills increase in price. I just had one notification today that one of my bills went up. And so Rocket Money lets me know that also if there's like a large expenditure, which we had to order a bunch of stuff for the kids school. So that was a pretty big spend on online. And that popped up on my phone as well. Rocket Money can even try to negotiate lower bills for you. They deal with the customer service team so you don't have to. So here's the deal. Rocket Money's 5 million members have saved a total of $500 million in canceled subscriptions, with members saving up to $740 a year when they use all the app's premium features. So you can cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with rocket Money. Go to RocketMoney.com UnashamedToday that's RocketMoney.com Unashamed RocketMoney.com Unashamed.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, and you could say even Zach, at a lesser level of what faith is. I was reading a book on this last trip I was on about the Founding Fathers. And you know, every time I read, you know, what, what they did in the beginning place in the birth of our nation. I mean, I believe in our ideals of America. I do. I mean, I believe them deeply. It motivates how I act. It motivates my citizenship. It motivates everything because it's an ideal that I aspire to and that. So I'm believing in it at a different level than just saying, you know, I believe that I like a fruit or something like that. I mean, it is something that is inspirational and aspirational at the same time. And I think that's the idea you get when you think about God.
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Jase Robertson
Well, here's what I found fascinating. So I continued with the text. I said, because God in his nature has this multiplicity, I guess, but one, it defines what love is. It must be shared. You can't do it alone. And I threw in Genesis 2:18, where it's like, it's not good for Adam to be alone. And he created Eve. And so. And I kind of put in there, I know this is deep, but if you go back to what we read in John and you'll see the whole point here. But I didn't get into the weeds of John. And I pointed out Galatians 5:22, the first of the fruit of the Spirit is love. And I said, even 1 Corinthians 13. I mean, read that. Of course, this is new Christian. He hadn't read First Corinthians 13, but I thought his response here's a guy I've been in about three months. So that's what I gave him. Those basically, 1 John 4:7. I was like, 1 John 4:7 says the Exodus, the exact thing. First John 5:1 says, and he is love. Think bigger is what I was telling you. So listen to what he. What he, what he put. He said, I read everything last night. This is the next night. First John 4:8 and First John 4:16 together says, God is love. Therefore, if you don't love, you don't know God. But if you do love, you do know God, because he is love. He's basically preaching a sermon that.
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Phil Robertson
That is right.
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Jase Robertson
I could Tell he was excited. I see what you're saying about First John 4:7 and First John 5:1. It says the exact same thing. This is what caught my attention and the reason I'm bringing this up. He said also if you notice that in John 13:34. Well we're in John 13 and I didn't bring that up. He says a new command I give you that you should love. What does it say? John 13:34, exactly. A new command I give you love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. I'm telling you that excited me, you know, because I didn't even think about that in the moment. But I thought, you know, he went back to washing the disciples feet. Now who's teaching who here? He asked me a question, what does it mean? And, and now he's applying to the picture of Jesus that he saw. Isn't that something that he went to John 13? But look, he doesn't stop there. Also notice that John 3:16 mirrors 1st John 4 and verse 10 where it says that he so loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrament sacrifice for our sins. Well that does mirror John 3:16. Right, and that's something. But I thought he's going back to John. Then he says also he brings this out in John 15, 9, 10, 12, 13 and 15:17 says similar things as well. So then he ends this with a question. Would you say that First Corinthians 13, because I threw that in to read it is saying that without love we are nothing because love is God. And so without God we're actually nothing.
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Phil Robertson
That's pretty good.
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Jase Robertson
I thought now we're going places in the kingdom. But, but my whole point of bringing that up is we need to keep that thrill of an 18 year old who's been in three months, who discovered why God came down here. He got it. What's he going to do? I'm telling you what he's going to do. He's going to start loving people. I mean it was just fascinating to me where I'm thinking this guy don't know anything. First John 5:1. It's not that hard to figure out. And the next thing you know he reads a couple of verses and it actually was just thrilling to me. And it shows you the power of God and the power of, of God's spirit in a person who's young, who's reading this for the first time and is thrilled about it.
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Phil Robertson
Which is why that.
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Zach Dasher
Go ahead Zoe. You got to really explain some of these terms that are in the Bible because people will use them and they don't have any meaning to them. Like, the word love is one of the most important things. It is the most important word to define. And that word, as you have illustrated here, is defined by who God is. Because in order for God to be love, that must be shared. To your point, there must be a lover, there must be a beloved, and then the spirit between them is actual love, too. And if you think about that, because I hear people all the time say love. There's these people in our town that hold up signs that say love. And what they really mean when they hold these signs up is they're kind of protesting and they're saying, accept everything. Like there is, like just love everything except for those who disagree with them. Right? But it's like when you paint love as just this idea that's floating around in the ethos, you really haven't defined anything. All you've done is you've taken a word, a biblical word, and you've used it to try to attach some kind of context. But actually, if you think about it, it has no meaning. There is no such thing as love without a lover and without a beloved, period. There is no love. There has to be. Like someone says, it's all about love. Well, but does that love love you back? You know, does that God love you back? I mean, that. It's not. The words like God and love, they're not just floating around with no texture or context to them. They actually have a real tangible meaning behind them. And when it comes to God, it is a relational context.
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Jase Robertson
Well, and I would, I would add to that. It is something that God chose before the beginning of time for humans to show to do. That's why I made the point about holiness. Because, look, to put in context, this young man is 18. When I first met him three months ago, well, he, he, he. He was his story. I said, what's your story? And he's like, well, I'm at a crossroads. My buddies want me to join a gang. But there's something in me that I thought, where's this going to lead? And he said, I'm familiar with y'. All. And I just thought, I need to at least listen to what they have to offer. And with the Lord. So here's a guy, 18, no father figure in his life. His buddies are wanting him to join a gang in South Texas. Well, where's that going to go? And now, three months later, here's a new creation, and we're having a Conversation about what love looks like in your life, which is the exact opposite of what was fixed to happen. You're going to see a lot of hate, destruction, violence, all of these types of things. And I think somehow we've missed this. You know, it's not just keeping him from that, it's look at what God is doing in his life. I mean, this guy's going to be a lover of people and God's going to use him to bring other people not only to live forever, but just make this world look like God's love is winning, Right? So I mean, it's just. Oh, it's powerful.
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Phil Robertson
So I wanted to advance this text because you've definitely hit the point here. Jay, out of the question he asked in verse 12 of 13, do you understand what I've done for you? He says this to them. Now you think about it in context of what we've been talking about with the idea of love. In other words, why Jesus did this. He tells them in verse 13, you call me teacher and Lord, and rightly so, for that is what I am. In other words, you're calling me these things because that's what I am. I'm your leader, I'm your teacher, I'm your Lord. He's done the miracles, they follow him. But he says, now that I, your Lord and teacher, have washed your feet, you also shall wash one another's feet. So in other words, what he's saying is the reason you respect me and love me shouldn't be because of what I've done and who I am, but because of what I'm showing you I am. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent me. So he's back to that same theme again about being from the Father.
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Zach Dasher
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Jase Robertson
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Zach Dasher
How?
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Phil Robertson
Seven months. I've never felt better. Zach.
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Jase Robertson
And this is all in response of do you understand what I have done for you?
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Phil Robertson
Exactly.
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Jase Robertson
He's explaining it.
- [47:00]
Phil Robertson
He's explaining it. Then he says, not that you know these things, you will. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. So it's again, it's this quid pro quo. In other words, if you want to lead people, you have to love people. If you want to set an example for people, you have to serve people. I mean, he keeps going back to those same themes. Now listen to this. The next thing he says, because I want to get into this before we end this podcast. In verse 18, he says, I'm not referring to all of you. He's giving a little preview of what's about to happen for the rest of this chapter. So he's talking about Judas. This is the hint here. But this is to fulfill the Scripture. And this is from Psalm 41. He who shares my bread has lifted up his heel against me.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, which is Psalm 41:9. Of course. He said, I know those I have chosen. I'm not referring to all of you. I know those I have chosen. But what I find fascinating is he washed Judas feet. Also.
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Phil Robertson
Correct.
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Jase Robertson
And when you go to Psalm 41, what's fascinating is you see the previous text. I'm Going to say this slowly because this is kind of crazy, what I'm fixed to say. He does refer to Judas in Psalm 41:9. And he quotes it here. What I found fascinating is the first 14 verses of John is really described in Psalm 40. Yeah, I was shocked. Now I call it a random because I read Psalm 41, which I'm sure you did.
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Phil Robertson
Right.
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Jase Robertson
And you want to read where he says that.
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Phil Robertson
Yeah, verse nine. Well, and several times throughout the text, by the way, in Psalm 41 are a lot of positives about the Lord. Blessed. He has regard for the weak. He helps people in times of trouble, he protects. And then he gets down to verse nine. He says, even my close friend whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me. So this is David Psalm. But he's obviously. Now, that's a prophetic message for what Judas is going to do against Jesus.
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Jase Robertson
Well, and now look, this goes back when you see that word heal. This takes you back to Genesis 3:15 and the fall of man and the evil one, which he's fixing to say at that moment that when. And it's such a, I think a kind of an intimate, almost funny in a way scene. Because when he says when they're reclining at the table. Cause when he makes that announcement, he says, I am telling you in verse 19 before it happens. So that when it does happen, you'll believe that I am. He's actually not in the Greek, it just says I am, which is another practical I am reference. He says, I tell you the truth. Whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me. And whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me. So after he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified. I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. So that's where this is headed with Judas. Well, this is the funny part. His disciples stared at one another at a loss to know which of them he meant. So just picture this scene. And they're like, say what? Because I think we read this so much, we think, oh, well, they all knew. No, they didn't know. And he makes an announcement like that. Think how close they have become. And they're with the creator of the universe here, even though they didn't understand all what that meant. So then this happens. One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, which is referring to John, everyone thinks was reclining next to him. Well, Simon Peter starts doing charades over.
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Phil Robertson
Here because he's across the table and he can't talk to Jesus.
- [51:18]
Jase Robertson
He motioned to this disciple like, so he starts making some kind of gestures like, hey, like, pointing his finger, like. Like, find out. Yeah, who, who. Because, you know, you're. You seem to be all his favorite. And so ask him which one he means. So whatever the sign language he was doing, that's what his. He wanted to ask. Well, leaning back against Jesus. So now he's kind of like, let me do this, work my magic here. He asked him, lord, who is it? So he just kind of cut to the chase. Jesus answered, is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread when I have dipped in the dish, then dipped in the piece of. Did I say fish or dish?
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Zach Dasher
Dish.
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Jase Robertson
I have dipped it in the dish, yeah. Then dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him. And I think that's why he quoted Psalm 41:9, because he said, the one.
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Phil Robertson
Whom I share my bread with.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, he has lifted up his heel against me. When you go back to Genesis 3:15, one of the curses that he puts on the evil One for his role in this suggestion and the lie of saying, did God really say that if you eat of that tree which led to evil Eve eating the fruit, and.
- [52:43]
Phil Robertson
He reframes it, Jason, humanity says, you will strike his heel and he will crush your head.
- [52:50]
Jase Robertson
That's Genesis 3:15, which is why we always reference that as the beginning of the revelation of the plan of God becoming his.
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Phil Robertson
It's the first glimpse we see, by the way, to your point of the love of God post fall is in.
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Jase Robertson
This verse, which, by the way, answers a lot of questions that have gone awfully wrong about women. I mean, think of that verse in First Timothy 2, which is probably one of the most controversial verses about, you know, a woman should learn in quietness and full submission. You know, he goes through that. But it says, he makes a reference to verse 14 when he says, and Adam was not. Eve was the one who sinned, and Adam was not the one deceived. It was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety. But he's making an analogy that goes back there because he said, through this woman's seed, salvation will come. You. You don't want to underestimate the power of childbirth, not only one that produced Jesus, but also even in our culture. I mean, you take a Christian man and his wife, and they produce what, children which are literally coming forth from a woman. And you literally can change the world in making disciples through a natural birth and then training them in the Lord.
- [54:29]
Phil Robertson
Well, think about Paul's statement in Galatians 4. He said at this time was set fully when this man born of a woman. I mean, he even brought it up in that context.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, it infuriates me on all the doctrines that come from that. And look, I don't want to chase that rabbit hole, but I'm saying I think we minimize the power of a mom and producing a child and that love that happens there. And even with her husband, that love that happens, well, when you throw in all in the name of Jesus. I mean, think Ephesians 5. He gives that whole analogy of family and all. And then at the end he's like, this is great, but I'm talking about Christ in the church and this marriage that we have that produces godly offspring. You know, when someone is born again, think going back to 1 John 5. I think it's an analogy that should be made. I really wanted to read that Psalm 40. So hang on, can we do that next time?
- [55:24]
Phil Robertson
We're going to do it next time because there's also another heel story that Zach and I did for our Hillsdale podcast in Genesis 25 and 28 that's very relevant to this as well. So we got a lot more to talk about.
- [55:38]
Jase Robertson
We'll read Psalm 40 before we come back. I know that was in Psalm 41, but if you read Psalm 40, you're going to see a combination of God's will and love, just like we've been talking about for the last.
- [55:50]
Phil Robertson
We'll pick it up there next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.