Ep 1147 | Phil’s Legacy Is Celebrated by the Return of a Long-Lost Duck Commander Tradition

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1147 | Phil’s Legacy Is Celebrated by the Return of a Long-Lost Duck Commander Tradition
Release Date: August 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Robertson family honors the life and legacy of Phil Robertson by announcing the revival of Duck Commander Sunday—a community celebration of faith, duck hunting, and family tradition. The discussion weaves through humorous stories, biblical insights, and personal anecdotes, centering on the importance of trust, redemption, and the multigenerational impact of Phil's faith. The brothers also introduce their upcoming Unashamed Academy podcast and share deep spiritual reflections based on their ongoing study of the Gospels. Light-hearted discussions about hunting, chickens, and T-shirt slogans pepper the show, staying true to the Robertsons’ unique blend of wit and wisdom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hey Jack Contest Winner and Unusual Plans (00:58 - 05:48)

• Announcement: Angie Kokesh wins the Hey Jack $500 giveaway.
• Her Plan: “I'll be using the money to purchase a plane ticket to Africa in 2026... I leave this year in 10 days to spear hunt over there again.” — Angie Kokesh’s response (01:44)
• The hosts are both amazed and amused at her plan, with light jokes about the dangers of spear hunting and frog gigging.
  “Angie, it's been nice knowing you. You know, we'll see you on the other side.” — Jase (02:36)

2. Updates: Podcast Expansion & Unashamed Academy (05:48 - 08:33)

• New Schedule: The podcast will now release Monday-Thursday; Fridays will feature the new Unashamed Academy powered by Hillsdale.
• Genesis Study: The Academy’s initial studies focus on Genesis, with young “Duck Boys” joining in.
  “We start out with the book of Genesis and it was a really interesting, lively discussion.” — Al (06:42)
• Free Access: Listeners can join Hillsdale courses free online, following along with the Robertsons.

3. Revival of Duck Commander Sunday: Honoring Phil’s Legacy (08:33 - 16:21)

• Event Details: August 31st at Duck Commander HQ, featuring a church service, music, food trucks, and community outreach.
• Historical Context: The tradition began as an outreach event; camo attire encouraged, often leading to baptisms and spiritual conversations.
• Phil’s Evangelism: The brothers recall Phil’s practice of linking duck calling seminars to Genesis and the permission to hunt in Genesis 9. “He would have a point... where he's like, don't be mistaken about who I am or what I do. I'm a disciple of Jesus. But he would use the Book of Genesis in the duck call seminar...” — Jase (12:55)
• Spiritual Parallel: “Arise, kill, and eat. Orders from headquarters.” — The famous line Phil would use to bridge hunting with spiritual teaching (16:04)

4. Preaching Preview: From Duck Calls to Fishers of Men (18:24 - 23:26)

• Jase’s Sermon Concept: Drawing theological parallels between hunting/fishing and evangelism.
• Key Scripture: Luke 5 and John 21 — Jesus calls the disciples to trust him despite past failures.
• “Because you said so, we'll do it.” — Jase on Peter’s faith in Luke 5 (21:39)
• Faith as Trust: The prototype of faith is not understanding how, but simply obeying: “Because you said so.”
  • Noted as a potential T-shirt idea.

5. Theology and Faith: Judas, Peter, and the Nature of Sin (25:39 - 44:22)

• Contrast of Responses to Failure:
  • Judas: Betrays Jesus, succumbs to despair, and takes his own life.
    “Judas ran from God in his sin and in the shame, and he killed himself. Which is the end of running from God.” — Zach (43:24)
  • Peter: Denies Jesus but repents and becomes a foundational leader.
• Theological Insight: The difference is not in guilt but in returning to God.
  • “The ones who say, because you said so, I repent, you're God, I'm not, I repent.” — Zach (44:22)
• Nature of Sin: Sin causes us to withdraw from God out of shame—a theme tied through Adam & Eve, Judas, and Peter.

6. Chicken Talk: Evolution, Creation, and the Rooster’s Crow (46:08 - 56:44)

• Why Did Jesus Mention a Rooster?
  • Jase humorously launches into an exploration of why Jesus would use a chicken as a time marker for Peter’s denial.
  • Points out the improbability of chicken survival if Darwinian evolution were true:
    • “After all that... the chicken made it. For every one human being, there are nine chickens on the planet. We're outnumbered by the chicken.” — Jase (50:17)
• Science, Faith, and T-Shirts:
  • Playful jabs at evolutionary theory vs. creation; debates on chicken ancestry (red jungle fowl, T-rex).
  • Turning deep questions and funny quotes into potential T-shirt slogans is a recurring bit.

7. Preview for Next Episode (56:44)

• The discussion on “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” is to be continued, promising more laughs and deeper exploration.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Because you said so.” — Jase (23:25)
• “He was raised to show us we could go back to said failures and try again. It's what we're called to do.” — Jase (25:11)
• “Judas ran from God in his sin and... killed himself. ... What Peter did is... he repented.” — Zach (43:24)
• "After all that, if I did believe what you're saying, [that evolution is true], he [the chicken] made it." — Jase (50:14)
• “For every one human being, there are nine chickens on the planet.” — Jase (50:17)
• “Arise, kill, and eat. Orders from headquarters.” — Phil, quoted by Al (16:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:58 | Hey Jack Contest Winner Announcement & Angie’s spear-hunting plans | | 05:48 | Podcast update: New release schedule and Unashamed Academy introduction | | 08:33 | Duck Commander Sunday tradition, honoring Phil | | 12:55 | How Phil tied duck calling seminars to Genesis | | 18:24 | Jase previews his sermon: “Fishers of men” and trust | | 23:25 | “Because you said so”: Faith as obedience | | 25:39 | Peter and Judas: A tale of two failures | | 43:24 | Difference between running from God (Judas) and returning (Peter) | | 46:08 | The great chicken discussion: Evolution, faith, and humor | | 56:44 | Cliffhanger: “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” |

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode’s tone is classic Robertson: conversational, humorous, and deeply rooted in faith. Biblical lessons are delivered alongside family banter, tales of hunting and chickens, and a steadfast encouragement for listeners to persevere in faith and trust—even after failure. The memorialization of Phil’s legacy through Duck Commander Sunday and the continued ministry of the family underscores the enduring impact one life can have when devoted to God’s calling—no matter how often the rooster crows.

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Transcript

[A]

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. It's funny when you do these podcasts as much as we do Al and Jay, so I always feel like it's like we. I'm trying to get y' all to quit talking so that we can talk for. There's the free podcast and then there's the podcast.

[B]

So how many times that do we say? It was just said about 30 seconds ago. Ho ho. Just save that.

[A]

Just don't say for the podcast. I mean, it's all good stuff. I'm like. And so Jill told me the other day, J.C. i don't know if you ever get this. She was like, I feel like you're always talking like you're in a podcast now. And I think there may be some truth to that. Like, every story is, like, stretched out. Everything is. I don't know.

[C]

Why don't you design a new shirt since you're real tight and you're always looking for ways to make money.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That says my life is a podcast.

[A]

That actually might work. I wonder if people would. Would buy those, make a little money off that. I. I might look into that, Jace. Well, I. I'll tell you, I love our audience, though. So I have an announcement to make. But I thought it was so interesting, this announcement I'm going to make because it has to do with who won the hjack contest, which was the. We did a contest. If you sign up for hey Jack, you get a $500 giveaway.

[C]

And.

[A]

And so I'm going to announce the winner today. And then.

[C]

Oh, yeah, is this a random selection?

[A]

Random selection. And then we asked them what they would do with the money if they won the $500. Like, what would they use it toward and travel. So I thought her answer was absolutely. I mean, it's right. Right on brand with us for sure. Maybe a little more primal than even you, Jace, on the hunting and fishing side, but so our friend, her name is Angie Kokesh, and she has won the 500 giveaway. And so we asked her, what are you going to do with the money with the voucher? And this is what she and her husband are going to do. And I want to get your thoughts on it, Jace. She said, quote, I'll be using the money to purchase a plane ticket to Africa in 2026. And when I first read that, I thought, that's great. She's going to go do mission work. Nope, not mission work. Here's what she's going to do. I leave. I Leave this year in 10 days, the spear hunt over there again. So she's going. She's actually going to spear hunt in Africa.

[B]

Spear hunt? Like, as in, like throw a spear at a large.

[A]

Throw it. Throw a spear at an animal.

[B]

Angie, it's been nice knowing you. You know, we'll see you on the other side.

[A]

I'm just saying be careful. This. I mean, it depends on what you're hunting with a spear, but.

[C]

The world's.

[A]

Largest bull, she could be hunting bullfrogs.

[C]

So I've always. I've had that on the bucket list to go grab one of the beastly bullfrogs with my hand to see if I can get my hand around it, because I've heard stories, but.

[A]

Yeah, well, be careful with the frogs. That's interesting though, right, Jason?

[B]

That's. That's amazing. I met your counterpart here in South Alabama, Lower Alabama. That's the other lady yesterday on the beach. He's a huge frog hunter, but he's a frog gigger. He likes to gig him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When you do that with kind of a spear. Kind of.

[B]

Yeah. Which is what makes me think of that. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, that's actually illegal in Louisiana.

[B]

I know, but it's not in.

[C]

Which I never figured it out, because I thought, there's nothing on a frog that will hurt you. Nothing.

[B]

Right.

[C]

What's he gonna do, slime you? I mean, there's.

[A]

Well, you're. You're saying, why. Why gig them when you can just grab them?

[C]

There's another shirt. Why giggle?

[B]

So when you can grab them.

[A]

Yeah. That is a good one.

[C]

That, that. That is a. I'm trying to help the next generation.

[B]

Unintentionally funny again.

[A]

Well, because when you get your frogs home. So if you go out there and you get you a mess of bullfrogs, you bring them home, they're probably, what, you put them in a cooler out there in the bo.

[B]

You get a Tassack.

[C]

I mean, I live by a code. Look, no frogs are ever injured prior to me cleaning them and eating them.

[A]

Yeah, they're not injured until they are.

[C]

Well, I'm just saying. I was. I did this hand to skin, and there's something that's fresh. Almost euphoric in that experience.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The beast is there. The cleanest animal in the world. I've said that before, people. Oh, yeah, look it up. This animal is clean. That's why they're. Well, there.

[B]

It's so white. Yeah. The meat's white and tender. But so to Angie's point, I guess that's why she's going old school with the spearing of hunting.

[A]

I think she's going for some big game. I think she's going for something a little more.

[B]

I mean, that's dangerous. That's a bit bold.

[A]

That's bold. But you can actually, you could actually get a plane ticket. I don't know about a hotel, but you can get hotels overseas on the heyjack.com so, I mean, it's pretty impressive. You got, I'm telling you, I've been using it. I've got about 500 bucks in my. Of my own money in my cash back in my little digital wallet there. So you got to check it out on the, on the hotels especially. That's where you save the money. So congrats, Angie. We're glad that you are going to use the money to go spear hunting in Africa. That was not expected, though.

[B]

Please tell her to send us an update if she makes it back from Africa. I'd like to hear how that went.

[A]

If you make it back, send us a picture of your game and we might. If it's impressive, we might post it.

[B]

So, Zach, since we're making announcements before we get back to our text, we're making a few changes on Unashamed and turn to release beginning next week. We are going to be releasing the podcast now Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and every Friday beginning August 29th. We've got our Unashamed Academy powered by Hillsdale, which is a new podcast that we're going to be adding in on Fridays. And it's going to be Zach and I and a couple of the young youths of, of our sphere, of our clan, of our crew.

[A]

It's the ones that Jace calls the. What you call them? Jace? You got a name for them?

[B]

They were Duck Boys or the Duck Boys or Buck Boys.

[A]

We got a couple Duck Boys coming.

[C]

They deemed themselves Duck Boys. I did not give them that nickname.

[A]

Yes, it's multi generational.

[C]

Yeah, well, I sanctioned it. But I, I thought, okay, at least.

[B]

You know, we took, we took the step as you were training them in the ways of the wild and hunting. And Zach and I have done the same thing. And now the ways of the word. Because we start out with the book of Genesis and it was a really interesting, lively discussion. I think you guys are going to love it. We want you to take it with us. We did. Genesis going to be coming up. We're about to move to Exodus and we got some really cool studies coming up, so I enjoyed it. Zach. I like the the back and forth with the, with the young bucks and, and the learning from Hillsdale. So anyway, start. Check that out.

[C]

How long did it fee. How long did it take you to figure out in the book of Genesis that God made humans to rule over the animal kingdom?

[A]

Oh, that's right there at the very beginning.

[B]

Right at the beginning. Yeah. You were tracking.

[A]

Yeah, that might have. That, that, that. That'll be in our first discussion. So we, yeah, we go through the course. I thought it was really good. It's very good, actually. And so then we sit around and we'll punt. What we're going to do is we'll be, we'll be going through the course and so we want you to go. The courses are free, by the way, so they're really good. You can go unashamed for hillsthel.com. you can go. You can actually download. Well, you actually just go sign up and then it'll show you the courses that we're taking. And they're probably what, 25 to 30.

[B]

Minute lectures, average about 30 minutes for six of them. I mean, it's not a ton of time to take it. But the guy, the professor, Professor Jackson. Yeah, he. He's. He's really good. I mean, one of the better. I, I learned a lot of new stuff. It was like having another Jace because he kind of looks like Jace. He's got a long beard and everything.

[A]

He kind of looks like Jace or, or the Eastern Orthodox priest, but he, he's got the.

[B]

Well, if Jason had the right, if James had the right hat on, he might look like that too.

[A]

Yeah, you might. But it was, it was good to sign that up. That'll start on the 29th, you said?

[B]

Yep, yep. 29 next week.

[A]

And then one more announcement. Somebody said they are having a big, big duck commander Sunday on.

[B]

Sunday 20.

[A]

On the 31st of August 31st. Are you, are y' all speaking there? Y' all doing anything?

[B]

Jason, I. Jason, I are both speaking. I think I'm setting Jason like, just like I do on the podcast. I'm feeding him the best stuff so he can take it. But we.

[C]

Give me time to speak.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

I thought I heard someone at telling Jace about it. When I came in and sat down, I could hear him having a Converse. I don't. I think it was Bella and Jace was like. And I think Jay said, yeah, I'm gonna try to do it in 20, which means I'll probably get it done in 35.

[B]

So, yeah, we know Jace, He's. You gotta squeeze him in. Which is why I usually like to follow Jay's, because I can adapt at the time. But in this case I'm setting him.

[A]

Up and I think it's free, right? It's free. It's a Commander.

[B]

It's gonna be a Duck Commander. They got a lot of cool stuff planned. And just to give you the cont text, years ago, I think Jason was back to the Benelli show, which was before the little duck show we did started doing at our church a Duck Commander Sunday, just as an outreach. And we got everybody to wear camo and, and the first one we all spoke at all the brothers and dad spoke. And after that we just kind of would do different things. We kind of did it for a few years just as an outreach. And even way back then, before we were kind of as known, I guess, outside of the duck hunting world, a lot of people would come baptize a lot of people. And so they decided they want to carry that tradition on now that dad has crossed over. And so I think it's a cool thing. So we're kind of doing it to honor him. But now instead of at a church building, we're doing it actually at Doug Commander headquarters, which is where we do the podcast. So it's going to be great.

[A]

And August 30, August 31, I don't know where you go to find the information or what time it starts.

[B]

Probably just Doug Commander's website, I guess.

[C]

Doesn't matter that you don't have to give them a website. August 31st, show up at Duck Commander. I'd say right after 10 o'. Clock, right after the rooster crows, plus three or four hours. Yeah, I have chickens on the brain today.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

Yes, every year.

[B]

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[C]

Well, I steadied chickens for six hours last night. Just throwing that out. There he was.

[A]

He was gonna get that rooster comment in there. That was that pre podcast podcast I was telling you about. Guys, if you're listening, Jace was talking about roosters and chickens. He said, hey, I want to spend a substantial amount of time talking about chickens today. That's what he told us.

[C]

And you know what I did? Hey, you know what I did to get ready for this? I studied chicken six hours last night.

[A]

Did you eat chicken?

[C]

I went to Chick Fil a this morning as I gazed upon all the other chicken options within my eyesight at Chick Fil A. So I know this sounds crazy, but we're talking about Duck Commander Day. And my point is that how that got started, I mean, Al gave a thumbnail, but I want to give you, like, the foundation. So what would happen in Phil's ministry that started from the Lord, My dad made duck calls. So he would go around and try to make a living for us, Al, by selling duck calls. But he had this epiphany based on his conversion to the Lord. He was like, forget the two master's degree. Forget the physical talent to be an NFL quarterback. Forget my old friends and wild lifestyle. I'm going to move to the middle of nowhere. Commercial fish, the river, build duck calls. But the catalyst for that is to trust in God and try to get my family to live forever. I mean, that was basically his. That's what led him to do that. So while he's giving the seminar about how to blow this new double reeded duck call, he would have a point in There where he's like, don't, don't be mistaken about who I am or what I do. I'm a disciple of Jesus. But he would use the book of Genesis in the duck call seminar because he's like, okay, we're created. Why are we created? Rule over the animal world. And you get to Genesis 9. Genesis 9. There God introduced the concept of hunting because he made the animals wild. He basically told them to run because anything that walks, crawls, flies or swims, you can, you can eat it. Now that's Genesis 9. That's what it said. But then he would segue into Jesus and so that, that became his platform. I used the same grid in my speeches. I mean the last event in Philadelphia, I blew the duck call. I talked about that and how God created the animals and humans and we went down that road and hunting is permissible.

[B]

And, but then I, and, and he also jace add. He added in, in the later years. I think it's because y' all came up with that Acts 10, you know, 17 or whatever the verses.

[C]

Well, God came up with it that you know.

[B]

Yeah, but say it. Yeah, I'm saying yeah, y' all cross that over to our, to our Duck Commander Brand. And so dad would, he would, he would do the duck calls and then he would say a large sheet came down out of heaven. It looked like a movie theater screen. And he would just go into this.

[C]

Many four footed animals and, and birds. At birds.

[B]

Things that slither. That's your cottonmouth. Things that you know, he would like describe it and then at the end of it it would be like arise, kill and eat. Orders from headquarters. So he kind of, he morphed that into the discussion that then would lead to Jesus which was just so good.

[A]

Well, the, the event is. It' just looked it up. It's actually called Duck Commander Sunday. Honoring the life and legacy of Phil Robertson. So there's going to be a lot of that there. And it starts actually at 10am and this thing, there's church service from 10 to 12 and then it's basically a festival with Catfish Charlie's food truck. I'm looking at this, a duck call contest. Music by Dasher the band. I just found that out. So my kids will be playing photo booths. They got the watch party and then they have a concert at the end of the night. But so it's a, it's like an all day deal.

[B]

But you let me just give a little shout out to Catfish Charlie's because other than the Robertson household. Oh wait, I would say Catfish Charlie's is your best option in the Twin Cities. And they're going to be there. That's, that's. This will be quite the deal. So, Jason, are speaking in that first spot.

[C]

Well, now that I know that we're doing Catfish Charlie's after it's over, I think I'll go. This is a preview because I just figured out what I'll be talking about because that's. What is today the 15th?

[B]

Two weeks.

[C]

Two weeks. And tomorrow's my birthday, by the way.

[B]

It is your birthday.

[C]

It just occurred to me.

[B]

So you'll be 50, 56 tomorrow.

[C]

I think I might. To think about that.

[B]

I think that's right. I think because for a few months we're five years apart, but then when you get back to four, and this is.

[C]

I think once we get to this point, we shouldn't be bringing up the.

[A]

Yeah, this is move on.

[C]

Yeah, let's move on. So what I was going to say is I think I'll do. I'm going to go the fishers of men, since they're eating catfish. Because I've been really all about. Since we started in John, in the beginning was the word. The word became flesh. What does that mean? We did a whole podcast on that. And Al, you actually told me the other day a pastor sent a letter about that little riff on the podcast and he's like, duh. I did.

[B]

He had. He had the emoji at the bottom. Jays of someone's mind exploding. Apparently there's an emoji for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, that's so warm and fluffy, Al. So the point is, when you go back to Genesis 1 there again, and God said. And even in his conversation in the garden, and then the evil one saying, did God really say. What just hit me is that you remember the first time Jesus organized the fishing expedition, not the one in John 21, which is my favorite chapter in the Bible at this point, where he returned back to something he did before. But in the Luke 5. I believe it's in Luke 5 version.

[B]

Yeah, it's Luke 5.

[C]

There's a key comment in there that just popped into my brain. And remember Peter said, hey, we fished all night. Because Jesus said, throw your nets on the other side. Now, this is after he had already said first line to him, you come follow me, and I'll make you fishers of men. So that's what I'll go and do with the duck calls. Because what are we doing when we blow a duck call? What are you actually doing?

[A]

Trying to Sound like a duck cop.

[B]

Come on.

[C]

Come on. Theologically minded, Zach. Sounds like I thought you would go down with me here into the deep.

[B]

Bowels of language because you're calling men.

[C]

I'm really disappointed.

[A]

I think you asked the question wrong. I think.

[C]

No, I didn't ask the question. What are we actually doing while blowing the duck call? Let me just tell you because now I'm really wondering about your theological.

[A]

We're trying to attract. Attract ducks.

[C]

You're getting warmer. We're trying to get wild ducks to trust us. We're speaking the language. That's what words.

[A]

Yeah. The analogy breaks apart, though, when you think about the end goal of what you're trying to do by getting them to trust you.

[C]

Well, why did God give the law. Why did he give the law to the Israelites?

[A]

For their benefit.

[B]

So that they would be.

[C]

He wanted them to trust him.

[B]

Do this.

[C]

And it's right. It's right. This is trust me.

[B]

So I know the line you're looking for now because you said so. Is that the line here?

[C]

Oh, that's right. So here's Peter. I'm giving you the preview of this lesson. I will give this on Sunday. And it just popped into my head, so I'm trying to remember it.

[A]

But still comes. But still come. Because he's going to give you the Cliff Note version, but he's going to expand upon this.

[C]

We do want you to trust me.

[B]

It'll be 35 minutes.

[C]

This is the expansion. Because think about it. He was setting a precedent. I just. I had an epiphany live. Look. They had failed. They. He said, I'll make you fishers of men. They go out. They're fishermen. They're experts. Fishermen. You know, it's really hard to tell a fisherman anything about fishing because they think they know everything. That's why they're a commercial fisherman. And they say, hey, we fished all night. And guess what? They failed. They hadn't caught a fish. But then that line. Because you said so.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good.

[C]

Because you said so, we'll do it. And what happened? So we have a Lord and Savior who wants us to go revisit our past failures, where it was all reliant on what we had to offer. And now what happened when they trusted what he said? It now occurred to me that's why he revisited that back in John 21. Because they had all abandoned him. They had all failed. See, the common theme is somebody writing this down. I guess I'm about to listen to this podcast before Sunday. So look, that all failed because they abandoned. They didn't trust him. He said, I'm going to die and be buried and raised over and over. Well, why did they all take off running? They had failed. And now here he is back with Peter, saying, hey, throw the nets on the other side. I have succeeded. I'm back now that.

[B]

That'll preach.

[A]

And the fish they caught a little caveat there. The first time they did that, you remember they had the fish, but the nets were breaking. But not that. Second time, not. Not that. The second time the nets they held, they did not break. And I think what you've described there, Jace, is that is the prototype of faith. Because I said I may not know exactly how you're going to do it, Abraham. I don't know how you're going to do it, God. I don't know how you're going to fulfill the promise. When you call me to sacrifice Isaac, I guess you're going to raise him from the dead.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

But I just. Because you said so. You're God. I'm not. And I'm coming.

[C]

There's. There's. It took us three shirt tries to get one that'll work because you said so.

[A]

That is a good one.

[C]

And just sign Jesus.

[A]

So, Al, do you know what the number one problem with the American health care system is right now?

[B]

It would have to have something to do with affordability, because it seems like you can't afford it.

[A]

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[C]

But think about it, Zach. He didn't just die for our failures, which he did, and our sins. He was raised to show us we could go back two said failures and try again. It's what we're called to do. That's why he said, I know you failed. I know you go back here and do it again. He told him to go do it again. Well, it takes an open mind to do that.

[B]

To put it into the context of what this Doug Commander Sunday is all about. That also fits into our text in John 13, which we're about to be in this. Peter predicted that he was going to do exactly, exactly, exactly what dad did. Dad had an epic fail of a decade of his life, which just happened to be the first few years of your life and my life and a couple of willies. And he, because God said so, decided to move down where he moved, which was the last place they were, and built a new life, both fishing for fish and fishing for men. And it changed not only his destiny, but the destiny of thousands of other people. So I guess it does really come all the way.

[C]

Yeah, it really does go in with what we're talking about because we left off at Jesus predicting Peter's denial. So I've already given you the perfect lead in because they had this history over and over and over again where Jesus was discipling his disciples. And that was one when they caught the fish. I mean, why did he do that? He was planting a seed that he would return to. And it's like, I know it looked like I failed. Oh, but I didn't. So you even see that on the cross. It looked like, oh, well, he got killed, he failed. But he's like, yeah, come see me again.

[B]

Which is kind of interesting because he actually has that same discussion in a little, you know, mini context here because once we read this text we're about to read, he realizes that they're shell shocked because, you know, he's already predicted Judas and then Judas, the Bible says Satan entered him. And we talked about that in the last podcast, what, you know, what that meant. In other words, he made his final decision. He was going to go through with betraying Jesus. Well, he leaves the premises and then he gets into the text we're about to do and then he has to come back in 14, said, no, don't let your hearts be troubled. In other words, this is going to be okay, you know, and so he has to bring them back to that encouragement. Why don't I read this Last section of 13 and then we'll get into it because I know there's a rooster in there Jason wants to talk about.

[C]

Great idea, Al.

[B]

Here we go. So John 13:31 says when he was gone, talking about Judas, remember he leaves the, the premises. And they weren't sure where he went because they didn't quite understand the whole conversation Jesus was having with him. But he left. And we know from other contexts and other gospels, he went to like close the deal with betraying Jesus. And Jesus said, now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. So, so now he's at this, back to this point of glorification, which he's kind of been hitting at for several chapters here. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself and will glorify him at once. So he's now pointing toward this idea of the mission about to be accomplished, which is going to be him in glorified flesh. And that won't happen just at the cross. That's the resurrection and the ascension as well. That's the whole process, my children. Which is kind of interesting that he calls them that in this context, but. But he's talking to his disciples. I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me. And just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now, where I am going, you cannot come. A new command I give you. And here's your point, Jace, that you've been making for a few podcasts. Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. So it goes back to that point of, you see the idea of glory mixed and will with love. By this, all men will know that you are my disciples. If you love one another. One of the greatest, like two sentence sermons you'll find. And so out of response to that, here's Peter again. And you know, he's already chimed in before. He asked him, lord, where are you? Going, Jesus replied, where I'm going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later. And Peter asked, lord, why can't I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you. And then Jesus answered, will you really lay down your life for me? I tell you the truth, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times. So that's how he closes out this kind of the segment of this supper where. And he's about to enter in some teaching now, but this is where he kind of gives the last prediction of what's about to take place. So, James, where do you want to start on this?

[C]

Well, I mean, one thing about the Satan entering Judas, I think it's similar to. There's a passage in second Timothy 2 that talks about a warning against false teachers. And it uses the same kind of language. It's like if you pick it up in. I just wanted to make a little point about this. But he was talking about teaching, like in verse 15 of chapter 2 of 2 Timothy, do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed. I wanted to throw that in just because it is the name of our podcast and he correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Then he uses an example of a teaching, and he names these guys who have wandered away from the truth, verse 18, because they say the resurrection had already taken place and they destroyed the faith of some. So then it gets to 19. It says, nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription, the Lord knows those who are his, which is a quote from numbers 16. And everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness. And I think you kind of see that in Judas. He had a problem with that term. And so then he makes this example. I'm getting to my point. In a large house, there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. And I actually found this verse because I was previewing John 14, where it's talking about, in my Father's house there are many rings. So I saw this illustration here in 2 Timothy, but I thought it kind of went in with Judas also. But it says, so in a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some are noble purposes and some ignoble. If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master, and prepared to do any good work, which is another good example of holiness, is actually doing something. We need to get off this. That being holy is not committing sin. I mean, that's kind of the definition we have. Well, read that verse again. You're useful to the man. He uses people despite their flaws and failures. So in the context of these false teachers, it then says, flee all these evil desires, and a lord's servant shouldn't quarrel. Verse 24. So it gets to 25, and I think this is how this applies. Those who oppose him, he must gently instruct and hope that God will grant them repentance, leading them to a knowledge of the truth, which is something that didn't happen in Judas life. And then this phrase, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil who has taken them captive to do his will. You remember the whole podcast, we talked about how the will of God is seemingly tied to the love of God being expressed. But now here you have the evil one, and I've given you a direct passage. Well, he has a will too. And what is that? I guarantee you it doesn't. Doesn't lead to light, love, or life.

[B]

No, it's that antithesis we talked about. J. It's the idea of born out of hate, born out of rebellion. The idea is to always be against. I'm so glad you brought this up, because the. The name Satan, if in Hebrew, it's a legal term, it means accuser, which, you know, we. We see him referred to as the accuser. And it's a. But it's a legal term which means to make a case against. That's what. That's what his name actually means. That's his whole thing. In other words, he's always anti. He's always against. He's always making a case for why you're not good enough, or you did this, or, you know, all these different things. So it's. It's that antithesis idea that we talked about before, the difference between love and not love. So, Zach, you have a lot of kids, and your. Your last one that you have was. Was one that you adopted. Would you say that? I mean, all your kids are gifts from God, but Rut. A special gift. Is that not true?

[A]

She's my favorite. I'll just say it.

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[C]

Right. And I just wanted to make the point. This is clearly a metaphor with truth in that he's taken them captive to do his will. But to your point, the definition of the when he just suggests, he tempts, he accuses. But Eve had the same problem. All he did was, did God really say, and then what happened? Well, he didn't put a chain around her, drag her over there, take the apple and force it. Like that's what we think when someone takes you captive, like tie her legs together, you know, and get her in a chair and like hand her the apple. And she's like, no, I'll never do it. And then he forces the apple. So I think that's the vision of this. So when you read that he entered him, I think it's just a picture of his own lifestyle, his love for money. His view of God in his mind was not what Jesus was representing. And he kept rejecting, he kept rejecting the truth, rejecting the truth, rejecting the truth. And through that constant habitual behavior, it literally led to an action that is just horrifying. You know, I mean we. Missy and I was watching one of these dateline things the other night. It was the most horrific story I've ever seen. But when I stepped back from it, you know, a guy who seemed like a normal guy, he worked out, he was nice, he was funny to the eye, he was a good looking guy. And he winds up killing his wife and two kids, like two little girls, like three and five years old. And because he was having an affair with just a Jezebel, because she was in on the interrogation. And he was lying to her also. But at some point he just wanted that life and he felt trapped. And next thing you know, he kills his wife and kids and then denies it and. And they're interrogating him. It's like, I don't know what happened. I don't know. There was just lie after lie. And I just thought, isn't this how this works? You feed that lie and feed that lie and feed that lie and feed that lie and feed that lie, even to take a lie detector test and fail. And I just thought, there's the picture of this evil one enter, entering him, but in a metaphorically way, that it's just contributing to your own desires. And now you have.

[A]

I think that's a big point and I think it's overlooked a lot because we tend to only see the side of it of like we think that it's always God that's casting us out, right? And that is one side of it that God's holy. And I know there's a component of that, but we dismissed the other part of it of Satan being an accuser and the nature of sin is that I withdraw from him because I believe in the lie. And I was just pulling up some verses on this. He is the accuser. How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God? So I'm an enemy in my mind. Hebrews 10. Let us draw near with a true heart, in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water, or first Peter 3, baptism, which now corresponds to this, now saves you also not the removal of dirt from the flesh. But what as an appeal to God for a good conscience. I feel guilty and I'm withdrawing. And it does it through the resurrection or Colossians 1. And you, who were once alienated and hostile in mind in your conscience doing evil deeds, have now been reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him. Or Romans 5. God showed his love for us, and that while we were still enemies, Christ died for us. Since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from the wrath of God? For if while being enemies, and that same word, enemy, there is the same word in Colossians 1, enemies in our mind were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life? And then Ephesians uses the same language, but the idea. And you see this in Judas, you see it even in the garden. When Adam and Eve sinned for the first time, they were the first ones to move, right? They sinned and then they were the ones because of their own sin, before God had even approached them and confronted them about their sin, they ran and they hid. And you may think, well, I just won't run, then I'll just sin and not run. You can't. That's the nature of sin is that you're believing in a lie. You're actually believing that what God. You're not believing in the revelation of God of who he is to come into proximity with him, which is what the law was given for, right, the law was good. But what you cannot, when you sin, you cannot be with God, because the very nature of sin, it is to reject the revelation of God and to call God a liar, and it is to move away from him. And that's what Christ ultimately is bringing us back into.

[B]

And it's about not giving up. Because this is a rare picture where you get to see what happens in this case. Just think about this evening when Jesus is with his disciples. He's with his disciples, and he points out that one of them is about to betray him, which they don't quite understand him. And then one of them is going to deny him. And then we basically get to see this unfold over one weekend. And to Jason's point about the terrible documentary, what happens in a weekend is Judas does betray him, then he feels very guilty about what he did and how selfish he was. And then he, guess what? He winds up days in that same place you were mentioning. He takes his own life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so it ultimately, it leads him to utter despair. He can't even wait to see if Jesus resurrects or not. Peter, who feels terrible about what he did, and not the betrayal, but the denial. He waits the three days and he gets the opportunity to see a risen Christ. And then he becomes the one who starts the entire church.

[A]

The difference between Peter and Judas is Judas ran from God in his sin and in the shame, and he killed himself. Which is the end of running from God. Right? The end. If I just keep running down the road away from God, where does that road end? Oh, it actually ends in death. What Peter did is he did an about face and he repented and he fell on his face before the living God and he actually confessed him as The Christ. And that's by the way, Jesus said, upon this confession, I'm going to build my church. He built the church of Christ as built on the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ. So you see a big difference. And so we all stand before a holy God, equally guilty before an infinitely holy God. He said, well then what's the difference between those who are with him and those who are not? It's real simple. The ones who say, because you said so, I repent, you're God, I'm not, I repent.

[C]

But they both had the wrong view of Jesus at this time. Which is what led to Peter's denial. Because he didn't want Jesus washing his feet. Remember he didn't want. When he made that confession, Jesus himself called him Satan, said get behind me Satan. When he said, oh you're not going to die. Because our view of God sometimes gets in the way with the truth on who God is, which is why Jesus came down. So as long as Jesus was going to put Rome down and show all these displays of power, Peter was in. But anytime it started getting warm and fluffy, you know, washing disciples feet or stuff like, or dying, you know, letting himself be hung on a cross, well no, he's out. And that's why this conversation went where it went. When he said, where I'm going you cannot follow, but you will follow later. That's in verse 36 of John 13. Peter asked, Lord, why can't I follow you now? And here's the statement he shouldn't have made. I will lay down my life for you. Then Jesus answered, really? Really? Sounds like my wife, she does that to me all the time. I'll make a statement. She's like really? And then I'm like ooh, are you really going to die?

[A]

You know what's funny though, I could.

[C]

Be messing up here. John 13, really? And then he makes that statement, I'll tell you the truth, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times. Which he eventually did. However, I wanted to bring up the fact that Jesus brought up, of all things, a chicken here.

[A]

So Al Jill's cell phone on the back of it, it looks like it's a shattered glass. I don't know if that's ever happened to you.

[B]

Right, it's actually, if I could take this cover off of this, show it to you. That's exactly what mine looks like.

[A]

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[C]

I know that sounds crazy. Allow me to go down this rabbit hole. Because if, if Jesus is who he said he is, that means he created that rooster. Yeah, right.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Why is he bringing that up? And I've used this in my speech. I've used it many times. And everyone in my inner circle cannot stand when I bring this up in my speech because they're like, why do you keep talking about chickens? And I'm like, number one, Jesus brought it up in a very defining moment. Now, granted, I'll give you the history of this. Back then, they didn't have alarm clocks and batteries. And so actually the rooster crowing was used by Roman authority. When they would have a, you know, a new group come in, they would, they would use that when the rooster crows. And so a lot of scholars bring that out as, like, the timing of this. They weren't going by the clock, they'd go by a rooster crowing because a rooster. And I've had many chickens in my life, you know, right before sunup, guess what they do? They crow yeah. And you're like, what time is it? Well, the sun's fixed to come out. And you say, why? Because it's 7 o'? Clock? No, because that rooster just growed. See, the Romans, they're having a changing of the guard. So there was something, you know, to that as far as it relates to time. But when you think about a chicken, and in my speech, I say, look, if you don't believe that God is the creator of everything, and you go with this theory of evolution, the world is 4.5 billion years old, and all these things have evolved from a chance encounter of an explosion somewhere with matter that we don't even know what got.

[B]

There, where it came from.

[C]

Yeah. And it produced this harmony. And they talk about dinosaurs and they talk about ice ages and all these other ages that are words longer than what even Zach uses and how all this works together. And so here I am one day, a duck call maker, doing seminars, you know, and we're battling these people saying, there's no God. He didn't create this. It's all science and evolution and the strong will survive. There was a process. And I'm sitting there on my back porch looking at a bunch of chickens packing around in the dirt after thinking about this, and I'm saying, the chicken made it. After all that. If I did believe what you're saying, he made it. Look, and not only did he make it, for every one human being, there are nine chickens on the planet. We're outnumbered by the chicken. And look, despite the fact.

[B]

And we'll eat eight of the chickens.

[C]

In about three, but we're eating millions a day. And that there's a restaurant every 40 yards selling chicken, of which I participated in this morning.

[A]

So you're so what, you're what you're saying, you're saying that the. Let's just clarify. You're saying that the fact that the chickens survived the blind evolutionary process, that to you that's evidence that this can't be true because there's too many people want to eat them and there's more them than us.

[C]

How did that happen? So I looked it up. But let me just give you. Let me give you a couple of quotes.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Because I studied this for six hours last night. Six hours. Because I had a question. And now that we have artificial intelligence, boy, you get quite the responses of taking all the information out there. But even you know, where I first started, I just asked a question. If the earth is 4.5 billion years old, why is it 20, 25? That's the first thing I put in there. And so I'll read what it said. The year 2025 reflects a human defined calendar system, specifically the Gregorian calendar, which is based on the estimated birth year of Jesus Christ. Now, how's he going to explain that? 4.5 billion years. This is distinct from the scientific estimate of Earth's age, which is approximately 4.5 billion years old. The calendar is a human construct from tracking time, while the Earth's age is a geological measurement. So that's where I started. But then I started asking questions like, well, if The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, how did the chicken make it? Now, look, look, you know what? You know what popped up all over the place? The red Jungle fowl, which is. Let me say that again. The red jungle fowl, which is the.

[A]

Foul or foul F O W L.

[C]

W, L. It would be a great T shirt. I chase jungle fowl. That means you eat chicken. So this beastly critter is the wild father of all chickens. And now look, it didn't come on the scene until 5 to 8,000 years ago. Oh, boy. What are we gonna do about those 4.5 billion years? Oh, don't fret. Because guess what? They've determined. Theorized is the better word, and they'll use theorized that the chickens are the ancestors, which would be cousins because they can't be directly tied to. But they believe they're the cousins of the T. Rex dinosaur.

[B]

Yeah, I've heard that before.

[C]

Which means that T. Rex dinosaurs taste like chickens. No, you can't make this up, Al. And I'm still getting like, well, wait a minute.

[B]

But even more than that, the T. Rex dinosaurs, if we had been around at the same time, would have been eating us and saying we taste like chicken.

[C]

So I'm like, wait a minute. If the strongest are surviving. And now look, the red jungle file in. In Asia, they're now borderline fixed to go extinct. And I'm like, well, I thought they were the wild, tough ones. It's like our process is going backwards. We're getting softer, we're deep.

[A]

I mean, not to be technical, but you do have some issues with your argument. Because, one, you're conflating evolution, like Darwinian evolution, which is a biological science, with a physical science of what's called the Standard model of physics, which is the Big Bang Theory, which is where you would get the idea that The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, which I actually.

[C]

Okay, I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that. So we're almost out of time, so let me answer that question.

[A]

I said what I want to say yet, but go ahead.

[C]

All right, well, I'm going to answer your question. Trust me. So even if you believe all that and what Zach's saying is true, I thought this may come up, what they missed. And I believe even. And even Jesus using that as a signal, he wants you to take a look at that chicken and how it did survive. I think there's a reason in that, because it just brings so many holes in these types of arguments, because here's the problem. I read everything you can read on how the chicken got here. You know what I found fascinating is that the eggs that chickens produce, it had to go through a process. It used to be soft, and it evolved through millions of years, and it suddenly became hard because do you know a chicken egg, they incubate their eggs so other chickens can arrive on the planet. But it said it took millions of years for that process to evolve. Well, how did they survive during that process? How would you survive? Because it has a thousand unseen holes in it. It's hard, and it lets oxygen in and carbon dioxide out while they're eating for those three weeks. And so I looked everywhere, and I finally found somebody who didn't believe in God to give me that answer. And I want to read this in closing.

[B]

Hang on. Why don't you save it? Because we're out of time.

[A]

Save it because I want to add. I want to add to this. I want to add to this.

[C]

All right, let's take a break. I'm gonna go back and find another chicken place and come back next episode.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, so we're gonna answer the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.