Ep 1150 | Jase Falls Victim to a Viral Pop-up Scam & How the Spirit Makes His Home in Us

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Ep 1150

Episode Title: Jase Falls Victim to a Viral Pop-up Scam & How the Spirit Makes His Home in Us
Date: August 25, 2025

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Overview

In this engaging and insightful episode, the Robertsons gather to discuss recent family anecdotes, the sometimes awkward realities of being on camera, the challenges and legacy of living faithfully, and a deep study of John 14 regarding Jesus’ comforting words to his disciples. The conversation is filled with humor, brotherly banter, and dives into the theological mystery of how the Holy Spirit takes up residence in believers. The hosts explore the Greek origins and scriptural meanings behind the concept of “many rooms” in the Father’s house, bridging these ideas to real-life examples of trust, perseverance, and the enduring hope of resurrection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Viral Moments & Reality TV Mishaps

[01:06-08:52]

• Jase’s “Frog Leap” Incident:
  Jase recounts his now-viral leap into the water to catch a frog for a TV shoot. Although his landing was less than graceful—and nearly caused an embarrassing wardrobe malfunction—he’s relieved the more sensitive footage didn’t make it to air.

  • “My pants literally came down. I’m surprised they didn’t run that. I mean, I had underwear on, but still...” — Jase ([02:34])
  • The group discusses the ethics of filming accidents, referencing viral mishaps in sports and reality TV, and the ever-present drive to “get it on camera,” sometimes at the cost of helping a person in need.

• Behind the Scenes:
  The conversation humorously covers how producers decide what gets cut or left in for viral effect. Jase teases a wild, confidential story from the new Duck Dynasty show involving Willie and his grandkids that the producers were more interested in whether it was caught on video than the safety of those involved.

• Upcoming Events:

  • Duck Commander Sunday & “The Blind” Movie Re-Release: The family announces events in West Monroe, including special screenings and worship services to honor Phil, reinforcing themes of tradition and legacy.

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2. Conservation and Legacy

[10:11-11:45]

• Duck Stamps & Phil’s Conservation Ethic:
  The importance of wetland conservation, instilled by their father, is discussed; purchasing federal duck stamps supports both legal compliance and environmental stewardship.

  “He’s done way more for wetland conservation than he has actually hunting ducks.” — Jase ([11:20])

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3. Bible Study: John 14 – “Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled”

[11:46-33:46]

Context and Meaning

• Jesus’ Humanity and Divinity:
  The group delves into how Jesus’ statement “do not let your hearts be troubled” (John 14:1) is rooted in both his experience of human weakness and divine purpose. They stress that Jesus’ being “troubled” was not a failure but empathy; he faced real struggles so he could identify with ours.

  • “Don’t let it trouble you that Jesus is troubled. He did that so he could sympathize and help us. And so in all of that, he didn’t sin.” — Jase ([12:35])
  • Discussion of Christ’s “dual nature” (fully human and fully divine) is highlighted as foundational for understanding the Gospel story.

• The Trinity at Work:
  Zach and Jase emphasize the unified yet distinct roles of the Father (planner), the Son (accomplisher), and the Spirit (applier), setting up the “Trinitarian framework” in John’s narrative.

  • “It wasn’t a plan that was forced on him by the Father…The Father may have planned this, but Jesus is the one who’s going to accomplish it. And then…the Spirit will come and he will actually apply this to the people.” — Zach ([15:08])

Emotional Realism as Christians

• What Does “Don’t Be Troubled” Actually Mean?

  • The instruction is not to suppress human emotion, but not to remain in a state of trouble. Jesus expects us to have struggles but also to return our focus to him as the source of hope.
    • “He’s not saying that trouble is a bad thing. It’s going to happen. The world’s going to hate you…you’re human. Of course, we struggle…” — Jase ([17:31])
  • Real-life threats and turbulence, even within the Robertson family, are shared to connect the biblical advice to modern experience.

• Hope and Resurrection:

  • Jesus assures his followers that he goes to prepare a place, and his departure paves the way for the Spirit’s indwelling presence.

  • “He’s literally explaining to the disciples that the reason why they should not be troubled…is that he has to leave…if he does leave…he’s going to send you the Holy Spirit…All of this is pointing to the Holy Spirit coming to live in the bodies of humans.” — Zach ([30:38])

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4. The “Many Rooms” – Greek Word Study and Theological Insights

[38:21-59:58]

Jase’s Pop-Up Scam & the Greek Rabbit Hole

• Amusing Distraction:
  Jase hilariously shares his on-air battle with a persistent pop-up scam promising $10,000 as he tried to pull up Greek lexicons, turning it into a lesson about ignoring temptations and scams—literal and metaphorical.

“Many Rooms” – Misconceptions and Meaning

• Mansion or Room?

  • The phrase “in my Father’s house are many rooms” (“mansions” in the King James Version) is explored through Greek (monē). Jase explains the translation confusion: in 1600s English, “mansion” meant “dwelling place” or “room,” not opulent houses (“big house, castle” in today’s terms).

    • “In the 1600s, the word ‘mansion’ did not mean in our English language what it means now. Now when you think a mansion, what do you think? Big house, castle, big house. So it’s unfortunate, but…you’ll be surprised.” — Jase ([42:50])

• Biblical Usage & Application:

  • The Greek word monē appears only twice in the New Testament—both times in John 14 (vv. 2, 23). Jase draws a parallel: In v.2, Jesus prepares a place for believers; in v.23, the Father and Son make their “home” in those who love Jesus.
    • “So you got to think, well, which is it? Are we going there, or is he coming here?” — Jase ([47:48])

Heaven: Place or Person?

• Not Just “There,” But “With”

  • Zach challenges the “bad premise” of thinking of heaven only as a “there,” rather than also as a relational, indwelling reality.
    • “If you are interpreting heaven as a there and you’re not understanding that heaven is a person really…” — Zach ([50:15])
  • Heaven is where the presence of God is; it’s both a future reality and a present experience as God indwells his people.
    • “Heaven is heaven because it’s where the presence of the Lord is.” — Zach ([50:29])

• Temple Language and Community:

  • Theological links are made to Ephesians 2 and Acts 2/4, echoing the idea that God’s “many-roomed house” begins now on earth, in the community of Spirit-filled believers.

    • “You’re going to look at the whole entire earth, and it’s going to be the dwelling place of God. The whole earth will be his temple…” — Zach ([59:28])

• Perseverance as “Dwelling”:

  • The Greek concept is expanded to perseverance (hupomonē), tying discipleship to endurance and the sustaining presence of God in and among his people.
    • “Don’t be troubled. Hang in there. Which is that same kind of word as the Monet, this dwelling. You’re dwelling in me. So persevere. So trust. Isn’t that fascinating?” — Jase ([58:44])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Don’t let it trouble you that Jesus is troubled. He did that so he could sympathize and help us.” — Jase ([12:35])

• “It wasn’t a plan forced on him by the Father…The Father may have planned this, but Jesus is the one who’s going to accomplish it.” — Zach ([15:08])

• “If someone’s threatening one of your kids, trust me, you’re going to be troubled.” — Jase ([18:32])

• “Heaven is heaven because it’s where the presence of the Lord is.” — Zach ([50:29])

• “My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home…with him.” — Jesus quoted by Jase, on John 14:23 ([46:28])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:06 – 08:52: Frogs, pants mishaps, viral videos, reality TV
• 10:11 – 11:45: Conservation, legacy, the Duck Stamp
• 11:46 – 33:46: John 14 study, “Let not your hearts be troubled”, Jesus’ humanity/divinity, real-life trouble
• 38:21 – 41:43: Jase vs. the pop-up scam, setting up Greek word study
• 41:45 – 44:02: “Many rooms”/“mansions” word history and error
• 47:48 – 59:58: Are we going to God or is God coming to us? Heaven as place and person. The Spirit’s indwelling and Ephesians 2 connections
• 59:28 – 60:22: New Creation, the merging of heaven and earth, encouragement to persevere

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Style & Tone

True to the Robertson Family’s signature style, the episode is warm, irreverent, deeply biblical, and always relatable. The brothers joke, correct each other’s grammar, and turn real-life mishaps into spiritual object lessons. The theological discussion is rich but made accessible, with personal stories and pop-culture references tying ancient truths to daily reality.

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Conclusion

This episode blends laugh-out-loud anecdotes with profound biblical insights. The Robertsons challenge listeners to look beyond religious clichés about heaven and “mansions,” encouraging a more scripturally grounded—and practically encouraging—understanding of what it means that the Spirit makes his home in us. The call to perseverance, trust, and real faith under pressure rounds out the hour, leaving listeners with both joy and substance to carry into their own struggles and spiritual journey.

Transcript

[Zach]

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[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Zach]

Yeah. So I've analyzed the video.

[Jason]

Now, what video are you talking about?

[Zach]

I'm talking about the one from the last podcast where you said that you leaped into the unknown, to the abyss, to grab a frog.

[Jason]

They've already put that.

[Zach]

He's already out.

[Al]

He leapt or he leaped.

[Zach]

What did I say?

[Al]

You said late, but it could be either one.

[Jason]

I just was playing the role.

[Zach]

You left. You left. Thank you, Al.

[Al]

Well, playing the role of Phil, you know, remember that? That was always a vocabulary checker.

[Zach]

He was. So is my dad. But. Yeah, I mean, it's quite the leap, though. But I'm watching it, but I can't tell that. Yeah. You're not showing any signs of injury.

[Jason]

I was raised in a culture where the battle cry was who's a man?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So my dad. Al, would you agree? He. He said that every day for years.

[Al]

Yep.

[Jason]

Who's a man? So there's no time. I'm a man. I jumped at a frog. I just sacrificed life and limb for the frog. He did.

[Al]

And the last thing you would want to do is not act like you hadn't been there. Right. You got to, like, say, oh, yeah, I just did that. I owned it.

[Jason]

I got. Fortunately, they cut it when they did. Because what you don't realize is there was. When I jumped into the vine, when I got up, acted like I wasn't hurt.

[Al]

My.

[Jason]

Something was. Had my pants tangled, and when I tried to get back in the boat, my pants literally came down. And I. I'm surprised they didn't run that. I mean, I had underwear on, but still, that's.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's. You get more views that you gotta have a little.

[Jason]

Well, thank the Lord that we still have some people who, you know, I can trust. But, yeah, so, yeah, it was. It was scary talking about a horror film.

[Al]

It was like that. Jason, remember that when Joe Burrow played for LSU and that Mississippi State game, and the guy pulled his britches down in the back and exposed his buttocks on the national television. I remember that.

[Jason]

But when they showed the highlights, they would blur it out. They would blur it.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

Well, I actually said that. I said, I think. I think you may have to use the blurring feature there, editor. Because I had these two cameramen just like. And of course, Jay was back here, like, did you get that?

[Zach]

He's like, yeah, yeah. You always look for the. When something like that happens. Did you capture it on camera? If you're a producer, you're always thinking, did you get it on camera? Did you get it on camera?

[Jason]

It's a problem in our society. You know, they show all these things, so I've heard on the Internet. And you're like, why didn't you put the camera down and help the guy out?

[Zach]

Yeah, I think the same way I was watching one the other day. It was part of the storm stuff. And I'm like, man, make sure you get that on video. But I would think I would even be like, in certain instances where you would see something very dangerous happening. People are still. Their priority. Number one is not to run for safety. I got to capture this on film just in case.

[Jason]

Well, Willie was telling me about it. They were filming their new Duck Dynasty show, which is where I'm headed after I leave here to do an interview. Good luck, me. Because the bad thing is I had this bone bruise on my tailbone. And I've realized that most of what I'm doing these days is sitting on my bone bruise, trying to talk and act joyous. But I'm hurting, so I'm just going from one chair to another. But he was Jay's.

[Al]

You had a reputation. I don't know how you are on the new show, but you had a reputation on the old show as being quite the interview. I don't know what you call it. Maven, I suppose, because you would do extra long stuff because you want to get it just right. That's interviewer.

[Jason]

Maven.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I've never heard that word in my life. Maven. Zach, what does that mean?

[Zach]

Maven. Can you spell that out?

[Al]

M A V, E, N. I don't.

[Zach]

Think I've heard it either. Get that cricket sound out. Get the cricket sound out.

[Jason]

See if it's a. I really am.

[Al]

Playing the role of Phil today. I'm not only correcting grammar, I'm adding new vocabulary. Amazing.

[Jason]

Look at.

[Al]

Thank you.

[Jason]

I mean, I didn't think you did that well in school.

[Al]

No, I was sure I was sharp, Jason. I just acted like I was dumb.

[Zach]

You've got a good vocabulary. What happens with my vocabulary is I'll get to talking so fast, and I'm just. My words are behind, and I'll say something that, like, I preached on Exodus 19 yesterday. And I didn't know I was saying this, but when I got done, my sister was like, why you kept calling Mount Zion? Because I was contrasting Mount Sinai with Mount Zion, but I was calling Mount Zion Mount Zion. And I didn't realize I was doing it.

[Jason]

I'm like, well, that was that little mountain right beside Mount Zion.

[Al]

That was a little tiny.

[Jason]

People were looking at the geography pages in their Bible and said, I just don't see Zion. Yeah.

[Zach]

Ben was like, yeah, I got lost with the mountain stuff because you had all these names going for the mountains and you would merge them together. And I was like. I was just. I had so much content I was trying to get out, and I just.

[Jason]

Well, I never finished my story. I think I've signed something where I can't tell what happens. I wasn't there in the episode, but Willie told me something that happened with his grandkids in a scene that was the craziest story that I've ever heard. And he said, of course, when this happened, which I. I can't legally tell you, of course they're all concerned because this. This is insane for something like this to happen. But the camera. I mean, the producers were like, okay. Is everyone okay? Yes. Did you get that?

[Zach]

Now I'm curious. I almost want to take a quick break so you can tell me what.

[Jason]

Happened I've ever heard happen on reality television. This. I was like, well, Will, the good thing about it, whether people are watching your show or not, that will go viral. You have one.

[Zach]

Okay, Jay. Okay, let's do this.

[Jason]

I want you to tell us what happened was. Would y' all agree that that was the craziest thing you've ever heard?

[Al]

I can't wait to see it.

[Zach]

That's pretty good. That's going to go viral. That's probably one of the plugs we've ever done for the show. But that's funny.

[Jason]

Oh, that's, you know, the way TV works, since they, you know, that pretty. What much was A scene killer. You know, it may not even make it to tv.

[Al]

That's why I'll say, Jason, my experience with producers from television networks is you never know what they're going to include and what they're going to cut.

[Jason]

So yeah, be careful when you film reality become. Because sometimes reality happens.

[Zach]

True.

[Jason]

You don't know what to do with it. You don't know where to go. So. Yeah, so I'll have to go do a little interview. We'll see how that goes. I'm actually doing it with Willie, so I don't think I've ever done that. So that'll be brother to brother conflict. That's probably what they have in mind.

[Al]

Well, speaking of which, we've got the Duck Commander Sunday coming up, 8:29. Is that right?

[Zach]

8:29, 31. 8:31.

[Al]

8:31.

[Zach]

Which is the same day where they're doing the blind re release at Fathom for the event. So they'll actually be showing it in West Monroe. So if you're in town, tell them, tell them about that event because you're speaking Jace.

[Al]

Yeah, I'm doing a little bit. Jason, Willie are both going to speak a little bit as well. We got some worship. I think the whole worship bites from like in speakings 10 to 12 and then they've got stuff planned all afternoon. So it's going to be really cool. It's an. It's a thing to honor dad, because it. We used to do Duck Commander Sundays at our church years ago. So I thought it was a good call back. And it's a big week because like I said, the blind also is re releasing. Also, Zach, we're doing our unashamed Hillsdale podcast on the 29th will be that first release, which is going to be great. So that's right before that. So it's just a lot of cool stuff going on next week. So for you guys to be a part of if you choose to come to our fair little village of West Monroe.

[Jason]

The weather's changing, Al. It's going from hot to not quite as hot.

[Al]

In Louisiana, we call that August, which.

[Jason]

Means duck season is almost here. And if you're gonna hunt, you have to have a federal duck stamp. That will always be true.

[Zach]

But now, Jase, here's the deal. It's easier than ever to get your federal duck stamp. All you got to do is go to duckstamp.com and you choose the new digital stamp. You don't have to cram those, you know, I used to cram them in your wallet. Hope they survived duck season. Well, now you just gotta. You get a digital one and. And they'll send it along with proof of purchase right to your phone or your computer. So you'll have it right there on your phone with you. No paper, no stress. And here's the part that I love, that almost every dollar goes straight into protecting wetlands and wildlife habitat. And that means you're not just following the law, you're supporting something that lasts. A better hunting season, sure. But also a future for your kids and your grandkids that they can enjoy it as well.

[Al]

So one of the things that dad instilled in us, Jase, was the idea of conserving something that goes beyond just the moment. I mean, dad left that legacy for us, and we want to leave that, you know, the whole nation. We want our kids to be able to hunt and enjoy it.

[Jason]

Oh, we've. We've all seen firsthand that he's done way more for wetland conservation that he has actually hunting ducks. Right.

[Al]

So that's one of the things we love about Duck stamp dot com.

[Zach]

Yeah. So whether you're a hunter or just somebody that loves the outdoors, go to Duck Stamp.com and grab your digital stamp today. That's Duck Stamp.com.

[Al]

So y' all ready to get back into John.

[Zach]

Get into John 14.

[Al]

We ran out of time, which of course we always do, but we felt like we were building up to our big point. Jay's. You and you had. We talked about the first. Actually, first half of verse one. We made it as far as doing.

[Jason]

Not let your heart be troubled, and 40 minutes later, it was over. But I looked up that word everywhere it's used, and I went through that. So if you haven't listened to the previous podcast, we're not going to wait for you. But stop right now, go back and listen to it. Because I left off the last place where it was used that I thought tied everything in together for what I said.

[Al]

Well, you did Hebrews 2, 14, 18, which was excellent as well. So what was the other one?

[Jason]

Well, we did that. The point was that Jesus was a human, and humans have weaknesses and they have temptations and they suffer. And Jesus experienced all that. And so don't let it trouble you that Jesus is troubled. He did that so he could sympathize and help us. And so in all of that, he didn't sin. That's the whole point. There's. Don't create a narrative because you don't like Jesus being troubled, where he had to do this because you got to remember the overarching theme of all this, because he's looking at his upcoming death. But always remember this. And I think this is, to me, the key that unlocks this. When you get to verses like this, that can be troubled and people have a hard time wrapping their head around on why Jesus is troubled. In chapter 10, I didn't read this, but I feel like I have to do this about every three podcasts. When it says in verse 17 of chapter 10, remember this whole part about the shepherd and his flock. And it's a quote from Isaiah where there's going to be a shepherd come and he's going to get the flock back. And think of the illustration when he said, you know, if there's 99 sheep that don't need to repent, remember that illustration in Luke 15. But if you lose one, I'm coming after the one. God's in pursuit of all humans. And so here he is saying, I'm the good shepherd. But he says in verse 17, the reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from the Father. So what I'm saying is, when you read he's troubled, and when he's in the garden trouble, it's not, don't. People will say, well, he had to do that, and they'll fill in a blank. No, he's doing it on his own. But as a human, the same emotions, we experience the same struggles, the same sufferings, the same choices you have to make in situations that are difficult. He acts like a human. He never sinned, is my point.

[Zach]

Well, we mentioned this in a previous podcast about Christ having a dual nature. He has two natures. He has a human nature and he has a divine nature. So when Jesus. Jesus is the incarnation of the Son. And I think, what if you get into this conversation, I mean, it gets very, very controversial very quick. But I think the point is what you're trying to say, and I would agree with when you think about the reason why Jesus was troubled, the reason why Jesus died, had to die. He was participating in that plan. It wasn't a plan that was forced on him by the Father that he. It was like, you have to think of it in a trinitarian framework. This was all part of it. The Father may have planned this, but Jesus is the one who's going to accomplish it. And then as we're getting into John 14, the Spirit will come and he will actually apply this to the people. But it's not a. A one member of the Trinity kind of doing everything together. They are accomplishing what they are going to accomplish. So I think that. I mean, that's kind of what I hear you saying. Does that make sense?

[Jason]

Oh, does it make sense? I agree with it 100%. But I want to read this last place that troubled is used in First Peter 3, because I think this really puts this all together. Because you got to remember he was troubled and now he's telling them, don't be troubled. Well, just. I want us to think about that. Well, if him being trouble was a bad thing, you know, why is he telling them not to be troubled? It's not the word. When you read all those verses, which is why I said, Even in Luke 24, they were excited that he was coming back, but they were still troubled because they're like, this guy was dead and now he's eating fish. That's troubling in a good way. I mean, they were so excited that it said. They didn't even believe it. They literally. It was so good, they couldn't believe it. But.

[Al]

And Jase, it was an active tense word. That's the idea. You pointed that out in the last podcast when you talked about King Herod and all this. It's the state you are and your reaction. That's what the tense of the word means. It keeps going. In other words, don't let your hearts be troubled. In other words, don't stay troubled.

[Jason]

Exactly. That's my point. He's not saying that trouble is a bad thing. It's going to happen. I mean, he's going to say the same thing in John 15. It makes more sense as we read along. Because he's like, they're going to hate you. The world's going to hate you. And they're like, what? He's like, they hated me without reason, and they're going to persecute you. And these are the types of things. But he's not saying, well, you're not going to just be where it doesn't affect you or bother you. You're human. Of course we struggle and we don't like it when people talk bad about us or they threaten us. We've had so many things happen now in our family that are troubling. I mean, I could go through the list from acts of violence, random for stalkers, various members of our family. These are all troubling, especially to Our kids. And you're like, well, you shouldn't be troubled. If someone's threatening one of your kids, trust me, you're going to be troubled.

[Al]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jason]

And so I think here's Jesus, who technically is the creator of the kids, who's now become one of the kids. If you look at it from his humanity and he's running around with them, well, guess what? He's getting troubled because he doesn't like it when members of his family are having troubles and it's troubling him. So that's the gist of it. But first, Peter 3, I think you really see this because it says in verse, the word is found the Greek word in 14, it's translated in the NIV here, frightened instead of troubled. But it says, but even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. Just think about that statement. You're suffering for what's right, not because of something you did wrong. Do not fear what they fear. Or it says, or don't fear their threats. Do not be frightened or troubled. See, that's the word for trouble. Now, but watch what he says after. My point is, whatever he says after is how you respond, because this is how he responded. But verse 15 says, but in your heart, set apart Christ as Lord, I just love this. So in the spirit of not being troubled, you know what you do? It's not like you run away from it and hide. No, he's like, you make Christ your example, your Lord, be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. Doesn't that make more sense now in how you respond threats and fear? It reminds me of when Paul, remember when they were in prison in Acts 16, and they had the prison break and all that, and they caught them and then flog them. And then they're like, oh, y' all are Roman citizens, you know, we'll let you go. And Paul said, no, you escort me out of this city. I mean, it's like he didn't just say, oh, you know, sorry, it was a mix up. He was bold about it. So. All right, then let me keep reading because this is good. It says, but do it with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. It is better if it is God's will to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. Obviously. Look, Christ died for sins, the righteous for the Unrighteous to bring you to God. That's why I read that John 10. And he did it on his own accord. But watch to Zack's point. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the spirit. So you have the Trinity look right here, Zack. Verse 18. Christ died for our sins to bring you where, Bring you to God the Father. And he was put to death in the body, but he's made alive in the spirit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Isn't that song. Yeah. Through whom also he went. Look, he preached to the spirits who were disobedient. It was kind of a spiritual war effect. And then it gets to baptism, which is that, you know, you participate in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Just like Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. When Jesus was on the cross, we do the same thing in baptism. Because then he says it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Which is why I keep saying, don't let it end at the cross. Because the way he is using that word, trouble. Well, he's Peter's now picking up on that, looking at what Jesus did and continues to do. Because the last verse says it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus, who has gone into heaven and who is at God's right hand with angels, authorities, powers in submission to him. I mean, I think it's absolutely fantastic.

[Zach]

I think the worst thing is when you go and you buy like a nice T shirt and you get home, you wear it, but then you wash it. And what happens every time out?

[Al]

Oh, you get those stretched out neck and, you know, just doesn't feel the same.

[Jason]

Or it just deteriorates to nothing.

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

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[Al]

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[Zach]

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[Al]

You know, it's funny, Jazz, you mentioned in the last podcast about. You brought up the idea of movies and how they trouble you, and yet they inspire you. In other words, they touch on your emotional side of who you are and you gain inspiration from that and it makes you feel differently than you did before. Which, which I love that analogy. It's. What he's doing here in this context is he's painting them a bigger picture. And I love that you mentioned about movies. There's a movie, and I think I mentioned it before on the podcast, was called Big Fish. And every time I watch. I've watched that movie 50 times or more. And every time I watch it 50.

[Jason]

Times that I've never heard of it.

[Al]

50 times or more. And every time I watch it, I cry at the end of it. I can't not cry.

[Jason]

Do they actually catch a big fish?

[Al]

They do.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Al]

But it's. It's too long to go into the whole thing. But you should watch it, Jace. And I'd be interesting to get your take on it if you, if you receive it the way I receive it because it's a very personal movie to me. Because every time virtual movie. Well, not like a.

[Zach]

It's a.

[Al]

It's like a fantasy type movie. But it's just it what I take every time from it. I'll give you my take on it is I always think about dad. Now this. I haven't watched it since dad crossed over, which I probably will start crying out the beginning of it instead of the end, but because it reminds me of him and me and our relationship and how it was not good and then it was great and there's a whole father, son component in the movie. But dad is the big fish in my mind. And so it really just, it speaks to me. And it's just one of those things that someone does in a medium that. And I don't know what they, you know, what they're thinking was when they made the movie, it's a Tim Burton movie. So it's kind of. It's weird, it's different, but it speaks directly to me about sometimes when a life is bigger than a pond and it's told through the metaphor of a fish. And so. But I think about when I think about this text, because it's always when you think about God, he's always bigger than you can imagine. And he's especially bigger when you need him the most. And so that's why when he says, do not let your hearts be troubled, the rest of that verse is. And we've been saying this every text you read Jay's trust in God, trust also in me. And so again, he's back to that theme he's been telling him all along about he and the Father being one. But he says when you're troubled, he gives you the answer of what to do. And he's saying this to the disciples. But I think it's the same thing to us at any of our hardest moments. And Lisa and I were just talking recently about some of the things we've gone through in our lives are difficult, but at the same time, the inspiration that we've drawn from trusting God in the biggest of moments is something that stays with you for a lifetime. So when you talk about Jesus laying down his life, it was more than just the cross. He laid it down when he came here and became a human being and came through the womb of a woman to be like us. I mean, just think about. You talk about laying down the life he chose to become part of his creation out of that love.

[Zach]

Well, if you think about this warning here, or not warning, this, I guess this instruction from Jesus to not be troubled, as I mentioned in the last podcast, the context of it is actually they're troubled because of what Jesus said about him leaving. And so they didn't fully understand what was happening, obviously. But he's like, I have to leave and I'm going to be away from you guys, and where I'm going, you can't actually follow me. And so I think, when I think about that. So why is that troubling? Well, because again, it goes back to the same reason why I said, unless a. A grain, a wheat falls to the ground, and dies, it remains alone. It's the idea of being alone, being away from Christ. And that was what he knew they would be worried about, ironically. And there's a deeper meaning here than just their own immediate relationship with him. There's a bigger thing happening here, like a fear that we all have is that we're not with the Christ, that we're not with God. But if you go back to, to the beginning of John, the word that was used was that Christ would tabernacle among us, he would dwell among us. He would be a tabernacle, tabernacled among us. So there's that promise that Christ was going to be with us. He was going to be with, as you mentioned, is seen in the Incarnation. But then he says, I got to go, and where I'm going, you cannot come. So the idea again is separation here. But the reason why he's telling them and about to tell them why they shouldn't be troubled is he's going to tell them that you're actually not going to be alone, because when I go, I'm going to send you the Holy Spirit. So you're seeing again what Jason mentioned. You're seeing that trinitarian framework start to build out. It's not just Jesus is like, it's not just about me as one person. It's about the whole godhead of three persons. And then when you get to John 17, you'll see that the whole thing will come together because he's going to ask for oneness for us, that we would be one as he is one with the Father. And you're seeing that whole picture unfold here. So he is literally explaining to the disciples that the reason why they should not be troubled, that he is leaving is that he has to leave. He has to leave. If he doesn't leave, then the Spirit will not come. But if he does leave, he says, I'm going to send the Spirit. All of this is pointing to the. To the Holy Spirit coming to live in the bodies of humans.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that is really good news for us.

[Al]

It is. And it affects us every day. I mean, y' all remember in our audience, for sure. You guys remember what was Dad's most oft used phrase? You know, for the last few months he was on the podcast. As I get older, the resurrection looms large how many times looming. I mean, he said it over and over and over again. So I had a lot of people say, I just can't believe, you know, that you guys showed the funeral and you know, and y' all didn't cry. And I know Phil said, don't cry, but y' all did all this. And it reminds me of that scene at the end of Taken where the guy saves his daughter, and she says, you came for me. And he looks at her kind of stunned. He says, well, I told you I would. And it's like that about dad. It's like he's been. He told us all along the resurrection was looming large. There was going to be a crossover, there was going to be a time of missing. There was going to be a time when you're troubled. But look, I believe every bit of this, and we're going to do this all in eternity. And so when you really live that way, when you really believe that way, when you really love that way, it changes everything. And you can deal with anything because God is big enough to deal with it.

[Zach]

Well, here's a good segue here coming out of. Don't be troubled, because he can't go where I'm going to be going. He says, believe in God. Believe also in me. In my Father's house, there are many rooms. If we're not so would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself. That where I am, you may also be. So at verse, he says, you can't follow me. But then he's telling them, but as this thing unfolds, you will follow me. You actually will be with me, and you will know the way to where I'm going. Thomas said to him, lord, we do not know where you are going, so how can we know the way? And then Jesus gives kind of that money line that is one of the most important texts in the New Testament. He said, I am the way. I am the way, the truth and the life. And nobody comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. I mean, this is. I don't think he can overestimate the importance of John 14:6 in the whole scheme of redemption that we have been invited into.

[Al]

No, I agree. In fact, it's. I mean, we talk a lot about the I am statements, but this is a huge one because he basically just says what we've been saying all along. I am that I am. In other words, if you do know, if you know me, you do know where I'm going. Which was so hard for them to grasp. And I get it. Because in the moment that they're there, as Jay said earlier, they're only thinking about him being gone. And so they're having a hard time connecting this idea that he's not going to leave them alone, which is, I think, the community.

[Zach]

And they. And they don't fully understand. Obviously, in this moment, they don't fully understand the oneness of the Father, the Son and the Spirit. I don't even know if they really have a concept of the Spirit yet. But they don't understand that Jesus and the Father are one in their being. And that's why when they say. When he's telling them all this stuff, they say, well, just show us the Father and then that's all we need, just to see. Just show us the Father. Yeah, we get what you're saying, Jesus. Show us the Father and then that'll be enough for us. But verse nine, Jesus says, have I not been with you long enough that you still don't know me? I mean, think about that. Show us the Father. And then Jesus says, have I been with you so long and you still don't know me? Philip, what he's saying there is like, I'm connected with the Father in such an intimate way that whoever has seen me has actually seen the Father. So how can you say, show us the. The Father? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? He's not saying that I am the Father, because that is actually. Some people teach that that is not what the Bible says. He's not the same person as the Father, but they are in each other. And in the same way, what's going to happen is Christ is going to now live in us. That's why he says, may they be one as we're one. And he says, I say these words to you. I did not speak on my own authority. So now I see kind of the person of Jesus, but the Father who dwells in me, does his work. Believe me that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me. And also. Or else believe on account of the works themselves. In other words, just judge the situation by what's happening. But Christ is centering Himself right here as the mediator between us and the Father because. And I think this is super powerful.

[Al]

So we're kind of drawing to the end of summer, and it's been a summer of grandkids for me. It's always good to spend time with grandkids, right?

[Jason]

I think that's what it's all about. And during that time Al we get to read lots of books.

[Al]

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[Jason]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

Well, that's what I wanted to get into. I had all my Greeks pulled up. I had like 12 tabs that were opened on my computer. So instead of trying to write this down, I thought I'll bring my computer. What happened was and the reason I was silent for an abnormally long period of time. Is I got a message on my first page that said I had just won $10,000. All I had to do was click a button. Uh, oh, and. But I X' ed out of it, so don't do that. But I was like, well, I gotta go look that page up. Because I tried to go back, wouldn't let me. Well, guess what? The next one came up. I got picked again. $10,000. Now you're 20. That repeated itself 12 times. I had to X out of all of the pages. Never click on that, by the way. And so I think I got it pulled back up. What I was going to say, though, is. So this is. This is hard to wrap your head around. I think if you look at the Greek language, it will be easier. So let's. Before I do that, I did want to say when y' all brought up where he says the famous passage in verse six, I am the way.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And the truth and the life. Well, he had just said three times in 14:1 through 4, I am. Notice it. He says in verse two, I would have told you, I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me. That you may be where I am.

[Al]

Yep.

[Jason]

You know the way to the place where I am going. So that's why I think when Thomas was like, lord, we don't know where you're going, he's like, I just said three times, I am. Wrap your head around what that means. Because if he just said, I'm going, you'd say, well, he was just you. No, it was. He was making a point because he said, I will come back and take you to be with me. That you also may be where I am. So wrap your head around what that means, because he constantly said that. Here's the crazy part of getting into actually what the Greek words are. So this little phrase, we'll start with the second one first, because it's only mentioned twice in the entire Bible. So in your. I want to. I want to know what your translation says. In verse two. It says, in my father's house. Then the next phrase are many rooms. What does yours say, Zach?

[Zach]

Mine says, in my father's house are many rooms.

[Jason]

Al. What does yours say? Same thing.

[Al]

Same thing.

[Jason]

Now, there are some translations that say, are many dwelling places. All right now.

[Al]

And some one even says many mansions. Right now.

[Jason]

Now that says in my. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In my father's house are many mansions.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that before.

[Jason]

Let me deal with that one first. The reason they tran I to say I have studied this at length would be a small statement. I. I've really looked at this. So where that came from, the English translation mansions, is because if you go to the Latin word for this phrase, it looks like mansions. But it comes from a French philosopher from the French that mansions meant rooms or dwelling places in the 1600s. So the King James version was translated in the 1600s. So they see the Greek word many rooms, and they're like, oh, perfect. Mansions. So I'm what? You're like, what's your point, Jase? In the 1600s, the word mansion did not mean in our English language what it means now. Now when you think a mansion, what do you think? Big house, castle, big house. So it's unfortunate, but now you can go look that up and see if I'm right. But you'll be surprised.

[Zach]

Well, I just had an existential crisis because, you know, song that I ever led as a small child because we grew up in the church of Christians just over the hilltop.

[Jason]

Yeah, well, but at Phil and Case, the church, they helped start out in the country. Al.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

There was a certain twang that came with I'm kind of.

[Zach]

But you start with, I'm satisfied with just a cottage below and we're going.

[Jason]

To move a little mansion after we walk down the streets of gold to get to said mansion. So what I'm saying is Everybody prior to 1600 in the King James version was no mansion.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

It was a room. And because that is what the word meant. Now, that. That's not even what I want to bring up. The phrase are many rooms, and it is translated mansion. But many rooms is a better translation. You know how many times that phrase is used in the Bible? You don't take a guess.

[Zach]

Many rooms.

[Jason]

In many. The. This phrase are many rooms. It's. It's one word. And look, it has a man. This I keep getting $10,000. Some.

[Al]

Some Russian.

[Jason]

Let me go back there. The word is translated. I love this Greek word Monet, which is why mansion fit because they were like, we talking Monet. Monet. Monet. Hey, I just had that. So would you say less than 10 or more than 10?

[Zach]

I guess it must be a Greek phrase. It would have to be in the New Testament.

[Jason]

Well, it's one word. It's translated in English, a phrase dwelling place.

[Zach]

Oh, I bet that's in there. I bet that's in there quite a bit I mean, I'm thinking all the temple language of the Old Testament Tabernacle dwelling place.

[Jason]

1St Kings 6. The Old Testament was Hebrew. I'm seeing Greek. So let's Matthew to Revelation. I didn't.

[Zach]

Well, immediately I'm thinking Ephesians 2.

[Jason]

Surprisingly, Zach, the word Monet is only used twice. Now, here's one of them. Guess where the other one is, and I'm going to read it. It's in the same chapter. It's only used twice. Then the same chapter, and prepare for your mind to literally explode. It's in verse 23. So we're not too far from verse two. Right. We're in the same chapter. So listen to this. Jesus replied, and we'll get to this. Let me. I guess I got to read why he replied. Judas in verse 22 said, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? So we'll get into that discourse about him showing himself. Jesus replied, if anyone loves me, verse 23 of 14, he will obey my teaching. And I have this actually circled in my Bible. This next sentence. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home. Same, same word, Monet, with him. So let's read them together and see if we can figure out what this phrase or word bone means. So the first time is in 14. Two, he says, don't be troubled. Trust in me. And then in my Father's house are many rooms. And then in 23, it says, if anybody loves me, he'll obey me. He'll trust me. Which is same concept in trust in God. Trust all him. You know, obeying God. Why. Why are you obeying his teaching? Because you trust him. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. So you got to think, well, which is it? Are we going there, or is he coming here? Is that a fair. Is that a fair analysis of the only two places Monet is used? Mm. Zach, you're being real.

[Zach]

Well, I'm not.

[Jason]

I'm not giving my interpretation of it. I just said. Is that a fair question?

[Zach]

Okay, it's a fair question. I have something that I'm thinking. We're probably thinking the same thing, but I don't like the premise of the question. I think it's flawed.

[Jason]

My premise. I'm just saying, in the first time it's used. Yeah. It seems to imply that I'm going there to prepare a place for you, and if I go up. So I'm going there, where these many rooms are yeah. The second time seems to imply that we're gonna come to you and there's some rooms.

[Zach]

So, Jason, y' all still pay for your kids cell phone bill? I'm just curious. No, what, what, what point do you turn it when you say you're out? Is there a point?

[Jason]

With me it was when they turned 18. Oh.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

That's a bad premise.

[Zach]

Well, I think it's not. It's the. If you think that. I think this is the big point here is that it's not a there.

[Jason]

We're agreeing on that.

[Zach]

Yeah. So it's not. That's why it's hard to read this, because it puts you in a position where unless you, if you are interpreting heaven as a there and you're not understanding that heaven is a person really.

[Jason]

I mean, that's why started this discourse when he said, if I go in verse 3 of 14 and prepare a place for you, now you're saying, well, it's not a place. But he says place right there just to.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I think as you, I think as he, as he. I mean, it is a place, but it will be a place. The heavens and the heaven and the Earth will reunite. I think that the prize, though, to your point, on the streets of gold, like heaven is heaven because it's where the presence of the Lord is. And so what I thought about, when you're reading both of those passages that you just read, and this idea of a house with many rooms in it, in my father's house, there's that place. I mean, I immediately thought about that Ephesians chapter 2 passage that also speaks of. Of us being built into a house. We're together with Christ as the cornerstone in whom the whole structure being joined together grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you are also being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit. Which to me, that passage talking about the inclusion of Gentiles into the faith. But how is this happening? It's what. What he's talking about here in John 14, that God's going to. He's going to come live in some. He's going to live inside people. Now the Holy Spirit's going to come live in you, or who? Anyone who would call on the name of Christ, Jew and Gentile. Because in this house there's a lot of rooms, there's room for a lot of people, a lot of different diversity, a lot of different diverse groups. I mean, he's going to. Because God's going to now come take up residence in a new kind of temple. I think this is all temple language.

[Jason]

Now here's. I knew we were going to go here. You probably didn't foresee me knowing this is where this was going to go. So what you quoted in Ephesians 2 is this in my father's house. So it's a Greek word. Let me find it. I have it pulled up. After these thousands of dollars that I'm just ignoring that I could be winning.

[Zach]

Or you could be getting hacked right now.

[Jason]

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure I am. And that means this is probably profound, you know. Yeah, we got some spiritual warfare going on. It's actually not the word in Ephesians 2. I'm actually surprised about that. But I have to. Let's look up what that Ephesians 2 is the dwelling place, which isn't, you know, a definition of these rooms, but I need to look that up. But what I was going to say is there are two words for house in the Greek. So it says in my father's house, they're one of them. They're spelled almost identical and their versions go in together. Yeah. So you Remember in John 2 where he said when he kicked him out of the temple and he said, my father's house. What does it exactly say?

[Al]

Yeah, it said, you turned my father's house into a den of robbers.

[Jason]

Surprisingly, Al, that is a different. That's a different word for house.

[Al]

Okay, then.

[Jason]

John 14. Now, I know this is troubling, no pun intended, but you got to remember it connotates the same idea. But I read some Greek scholar let me find it who kind of gave a. He tried to wrap his head around. Around this. So here's how they're spelled. One of them is O, I K O S. So you can Google search that.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And it'll show you every verse where that's used. And then you have O, I K I A. Yeah. Now.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So in John, which is the root. That's the root word in Ephesians 2 for dwelling, it's a similar word. O, I K E. Yeah. To live, to inhabit, to settle.

[Jason]

Yeah. So in John 14, 2. Let's see, which one is it?

[Al]

Well, I think it's. I think it's ok. I A, I think is what it is. I looked it up when I studied.

[Jason]

Hold on. Before I read this, I'm looking for. I got so many Greek words pulled up. Hold on. That could have been it. Let me see which one this is. That way I can just get it on the podcast. All right, well, here's the Oikos. Let me look where that's used. That's the one in John 2. Yeah, that's the one in John 2, not in John 14. So to read this explanation of what it means. I think this is good. So I'm just going to read this. I mean, this is on some Greek language message board among Greek scholars. But I think this is a good explanation. This guy says, I am disposed to think that Oikos, which is the one in John 2, which. The actual temple that he was like the structure is the house viewed from outside as an object set before us. Okiya, which is the One used in 14, two is from the inside. So to your point, Zach, the dwelling place of God. Like I'll give you an example, though, that it doesn't necessarily always mean that because let's take Hebrews 3. 6. Now think about this. You're probably familiar with that, right? Hebrews 3. 6. So Hebrews 3 starts off saying, brothers who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus. Jesus is better than Moses. Well, then verse four says of chapter three, for every house is built by someone. Well, this is the one. Same one used in John 2. But God is the builder of everything. But watch, verse 6. But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. Well, what house is he talking about? He's talking about the one Zach was referring to, that we are the dwelling place of God. So, look, I know this seems complex, but my point is, is Zach's point, he's making this connection between I'm going to the Father's presence and make a place for you. Humans are now allowed in the presence of God in heaven itself. Ephesians 2. 6. Makes sense. Now, he seated us in the heavenly realms with him. He's talking about people who have surrendered to Christ. Agreed. But he's also using it in 1423 of saying, you're housing the Holy Spirit, and thus you're bringing in the presence of me, the Spirit of Christ, which is mentioned in Galatians 4. 6 and Romans 8 in your body. So I think that's why he's bringing this up. And then next time when we come together, I'm going to go down one more Greek rabbit trail because there's another Greek word that's translated perseverance, that it's pronounced Huber Monet. And when you look that up, what you're going to find, it's in Romans 5, it's in Romans 8, it's all over the place. And it's what his point was here in roman and John 14, don't be troubled. He wanted them to persevere, and that's why he's giving you the Holy Spirit. He's making a home with humans, and he's making a home for humans in the presence of God the Father. That's the point. So you know what he's saying? So persevere. Don't be troubled. Hang in there. Which is that same kind of word as the Monet, this dwelling. You're dwelling in me. So persevere. So trust. Isn't that fascinating?

[Zach]

And it's interesting, too. I know we're out of time, but I'll say this like you think about individual God making his home with individual people, and we're like these cornerstones. I mean, he's the cornerstone and we're the living stones of the temple. But I think at the end, what's going to happen is you're going to look at the whole entire earth, and it's going to be the dwelling place of God. The whole earth will be his temple, which is quite the thought.

[Al]

That's why heaven is. Is, in my opinion, both a place and a person.

[Zach]

Correct.

[Al]

It's not an either.

[Jason]

And it's coming together in new creations. You see? I mean, that's a good point. This is an introduction. Don't fret, don't panic.

[Al]

Don't. Don't let your hearts be trouble. We will come back.

[Jason]

We will revisit. But I know this has been difficult, but it's only in there twice. And we should learn how to wrap our head around, is what I'm saying.

[Al]

All right, so we'll pick it up right here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.