Ep 1152 | Jase Flips Old Garage Junk for a Pretty Penny & Willie Barely Recognizes His Own Brother

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1152 | Jase Flips Old Garage Junk for a Pretty Penny & Willie Barely Recognizes His Own Brother
Release Date: August 27, 2025
Participants: Al, Jase, Zach, and special guest Dr. Ashley Lucas

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Episode Overview

This episode blends family anecdotes, treasure-hunting shenanigans, and deep theological discussion. The Robertsons kick off with stories of flipping "junk" for surprising profits, segue into reflections on the real value of togetherness and home, then tackle biblical metaphors drawn from John 14. Special attention is given to the tangible impact of faith lived out—in community, family, service, and personal health.
The episode closes with a heartfelt interview with Dr. Ashley Lucas, celebrating Al’s dramatic health transformation and the broader theme of new beginnings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family and Scheduling Humor

• [01:06–02:31]
  • Al and Zach banter about upcoming travel for speaking and marriage events.
  • Al jokes about preaching at Zach’s church for “double salary,” only to discover it’s pro bono:

    "I get a big goose egg... So you're in, man." (Jase, 02:23)

2. Dumpster Diving & Treasure Hunting

• [03:01–09:15]
  • Zach describes his office neighbor’s dumpster, which has become a treasure trove for his associate Josh, who flips Dr. Pepper and Coca Cola paraphernalia for thousands of dollars.
  • Jase admits to similar experiences, sharing how a $20 Coca Cola clock in his garage sold for $300 (possibly much less than its true value):

    "He literally reached in his back pocket and handed me $300, which made me realize it's probably worth way more than that." (Jase, 08:10)

  • Detailed stories about the hidden value in what others consider junk.
  • Discussion about niche communities: Coke traders in Atlanta, Dr. Pepper fans in Waco.

3. Spiritual Lessons from Lost & Found

• [09:39–16:16]
  • Jase pivots to a deeper point: the biblical idea of finding treasure mirrors finding lost souls.
    • Luke 15’s parables—lost sheep, coin, and son—serve as spiritual metaphors.

    "That's why I got in Treasure hunt. I thought of all the illustrations [Jesus] could have used. This is what the joy... when I found that large cent the other day, I went nuts... But it's the joy of finding something precious that was lost." (Jase, 15:02)

  • Finds a rare "large cent" from 1797 metal-detecting; relates the joy of unearthing unexpected value to spiritual joy.

4. The Real Value of Home and Belonging

• [18:30–25:43]
  • Al recounts visiting Ireland, emphasizing that despite the country’s ancient castles and churches, it was time spent in people’s homes that held true meaning:

    "It was in their hearts’ homes that I enjoyed myself the most in this other country." (Al, 18:56)

  • Jase recalls formative years with his wife in humble living circumstances:

    "It doesn't matter where we live as long as we're together... It's real love. It did not matter." (Jase, 25:09)

  • The metaphor of God’s house in John 14 is discussed, underscoring the longing for belonging.

5. John 14 & Living with God

• [16:21–32:54]
  • In-depth theological reflection about Jesus’ promise, "In my Father’s house are many rooms" (John 14:1–3), connecting it to God’s indwelling presence via the Holy Spirit.
  • Parallels to personal stories of orphans, homes, and the spiritual family are drawn.

    "In my Father's house, there's a place for me... every one of those kids is testifying right now to the longing that really is in all our hearts to have a place..." (Zach, 21:09)

6. The Holy Spirit: Unity, Access, and Empowerment

• [28:23–39:16]
  • Explores how Jesus' departure ushers in the Holy Spirit, bringing unity across body, soul, and spirit (referencing 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13).

    "As long as Jesus is confined to this human body, he can only be at one place at one time. But if he leaves and pours out that spirit... into millions... you can just take over the world." (Jase, 37:10)

  • The "greater things" promised by Jesus are interpreted both as spiritual miracles and as the global impact of Christianity (e.g., hospitals, abolition, science):

    "We don't have the same world... If you take out Jesus... and the Holy Spirit never comes... It's pretty powerful." (Zach, 38:29)

  • The accessibility of God, empowerment for service, and a broad vision of the Kingdom are emphasized.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On finding worth in the overlooked:

  "Enough time goes by, things that weren't valuable become valuable." (Al, 10:23)

• On spiritual treasure:

  "Luke 15 is all about joy... there's rejoicing in heaven and on earth when lost things are found." (Jase, 14:33-14:49)

• On belonging:

  "In my father's house, there's a place for me... those kids are testifying to the longing that really is in all of our hearts." (Zach, 21:09)

• On transformation:

  "You can just take over the world." (Jase, 37:10), in the context of the Holy Spirit multiplying Christ’s impact

• On relationships over places:

  "Any trip that you go on, who's with you is the predominant factor." (Jase, 25:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Scheduling banter and preaching joke: 01:06–02:31
• Dumpster and Coca Cola treasure hunting stories: 03:01–09:15
• Spiritual treasures and biblical parables: 09:39–16:16
• Visiting Ireland and value of home: 18:30–25:43
• Discussion of John 14 and spiritual belonging: 16:21–32:54
• The Holy Spirit, unity, and global impact of faith: 28:23–39:16

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Interview: Health Transformation with Dr. Ashley Lucas

[43:21–57:43]

Introduction & Endorsement

• Al introduces Dr. Ashley Lucas as his "fat scientist"—the expert behind his dramatic, healthy weight loss. Willie, seeing Al after months, barely recognizes him.

  "Willie looks up and he sees me walk by... he hadn't seen Al since he was fat. That's the ultimate endorsement." (Al, 45:39)

Al’s Health Journey

• Off CPAP after 15 years, reduced medications, increased energy, and “looks” and feels healthy.

• Dr. Lucas highlights that healthy, sustainable weight loss often brings rapid, holistic health improvements, especially around the 16-week mark.

  “There's something magical about 16 weeks where the body really can start to heal itself.” (Dr. Ashley, 48:01)

• Focus on identity change: not just losing weight, but adopting a new, maintainable lifestyle.

Common Struggles & Program Approach

• Psychological baggage and identity can impede change—many guests treat their overweight status humorously, normalizing it.
• The process involves personalized consultation, curated meal plans, accountability, and focus on lasting change.
• Maintenance is emphasized as more important (though less sexy) than weight loss itself:

  “A lot of people don't have a weight loss problem. They have a weight maintenance problem.” (Dr. Ashley, 53:22)

• Al praises the combination of encouragement, accountability, and confidence Dr. Lucas and team provided him.

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Conclusion: Theme of Transformation

The Robertsons weave together practical stories and deep faith, showing how both forgotten bottles and unwanted health baggage can, with the right perspective, yield surprising treasure. The longing for home, belonging, renewal, and transformation runs as a throughline—from family laughter to scriptural reflection and real-life health victories.

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For more information about Dr. Ashley Lucas's program:

• myphdweightloss.com
• Phone: [phone] (Mention Al Robertson)

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End of summary.

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[B]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[C]

So welcome back to Unashamed Zach. I was working on my scheduling this last week because Lisa and I are about to be super busy traveling across the fruited plains. In fact, I mentioned that we were going to be in bottom Texas September 5th and 6th. I think I gave the wrong dates, but that's bottom Texas. And then also the next weekend, we're doing a couple of marriage events. Fulton, Missouri, at the Oikos Christian Church. 9-12-13. It's. By the way, it's allenlisarobertson.com is where all our appearances are. But, Zach, we were working on October because we're coming to the great state of North Carolina. Yep, you're coming up in October. We've got like three events up there, so we're going to stay around your neighborhood in between a couple of those events. And I've been asked to preach at your church by one of your shepherds there.

[A]

And nobody told me that.

[C]

I know. That's what's funny. Like, they asked me. They asked me, outside of you to do it. And I said on one condition. Jace. Here was my one condition. I have to earn double whatever Zach gets when he preaches. Oh, I asked for. I asked for double your salary.

[A]

You're in for a nice.

[C]

And they immediately said yes. So, Zach, what do you earn so I could know how much money I'm going to get? Because I. I get a bit.

[A]

I get a big goose egg. I got.

[C]

Oh, wait a minute.

[A]

How much you're telling me?

[C]

Two. Zero. Still zero. So you're in, man. That's.

[B]

That's why you need.

[A]

And we're not covering his travel either, J.C. it's a pre. It's just pro bono all the way. You know what, though? I will tell you this. I had a cousin one time drove through Black Mountain on I20. Did not even stop. Much less, much less offer to preach a sermon. I mean, nothing. He just kept rolling through. He honked his horn.

[C]

He said he blew the horn on i40.

[A]

So I do want to thank Scary.

[B]

As I just now realized he's talking about me. I was like, what cousin could he have?

[C]

Was it Gimber?

[A]

It wasn't Gimmer. Well, Jason, you already come up, because I'm telling you, we have had. I know you're. This is a little bit off. Maybe this is off brand for you, but you're a treasure hunter, so I got to tell y' all what's been happening. I may have told. I've talked about it. I'm not yet now, but we live in an area that's. This downtown area is, like, super old. And so the place next to me there, he. He's cleaning everything out of this building. And so there's a dumpster literally right outside my door. A big, huge dumpster. Like, when the kind of like the construction debris they put in.

[B]

Have you been using it?

[A]

Had I been using it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, they just delivered it. Like it was like a. They delivered the dumpster. You fill it up, they come and they take it, they dump it, they fill it up again.

[C]

Yeah, we know how basic dumpster.

[B]

No, I know, but I was saying there's a temptation here because, you know.

[A]

No, I do.

[B]

I'll clean out. So, I mean, it's a dumpster. It's. It's.

[C]

Well, I could see Zach definitely not paying for something and then pinching off of somebody else's.

[A]

I thought about it. We got a bag of trash. I don't pay for trash service at the office. So that I will say that I was tempted to throw something in there.

[B]

But I knew that that's why I brought it up.

[C]

That don't relinquish to your flesh nature.

[A]

Well, I roll up here about two weeks ago, and Josh, who is my version of Maddie, is in the dumpster during his lunch break. Like, he's for, like, full body.

[C]

He's a dumpster diver.

[A]

He's. So he's in there grabbing stuff out the dump. I'm like, what are you doing?

[C]

Well, he said, well, you got to pay your production people.

[B]

Better tell the truth. If you're driving down the road and you see a nice looking couch on the side of the road, there's A temptation as tight as you are about money. Oh, it's a free count. You're the type of person that would say, let me check that out.

[C]

I'm just warning you right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do not go near the couch.

[C]

Stay away from it.

[A]

I made fun of Josh for being in the Dumpster, and so I started to. It kind of. It was an office joke. I was a little hard on the guys. And so every day I come in, they're talking about all this stuff that they found or that they're finding, and it's all Dr. Pepper and Coca Cola paraphernalia. I mean, just Dumpster loads. So he grabs his stuff out and gets into the dark web of the Internet, and he finds these, these dark corners where these traders, they trade this stuff. And this guy. I did. I did. I just found this out when I walked in this morning. And I was like this. I gotta tell y' all this, I. He had. This guy has $5,000 in cash that someone flew down from Las Vegas with $5,000 in cash to hand him to get all the Dr. Pepper paraphernalia that he had already accumulated out of the Dumpster. And he thinks he's got another 3,000 more worth of stuff. And he hasn't even tapped into the Coca Cola guys yet?

[B]

No, that's why I'm saying it's the treasure. Look, I, I. It's so weird you bring this up.

[C]

So the other night for Dr. Pepper and Coke.

[B]

No. Look, Al, you're not gonna believe what I'm fixing to tell you. So my wife, about five years ago, bought a little Coca Cola sign at one of these. And, like, a flea market, Like a.

[C]

Flea market, which, by the way, I thought they sold fleas at flea market. For years. I never knew what that meant. I have to. Which is why I never went.

[B]

I thought some kind of weird thing with fleas also. But so that. And she had that in our garage. It's been there for five years, just collecting dust. Because she's like, yeah, I bought that. And she, she paid like, 20 bucks for it. Which I thought. You pay 20 bucks for this?

[A]

You thought she got ripped off?

[B]

I thought she got ripped off. The other night, I have all these guys come over, play cards for my birthday. Well, a guy walked through, and he was talking about he had just sold a Coca Cola sign, you know, for like $1,000. An old vintage sign. I was like, well, I have a little clock in my garage, and let's see what this is worth, because it's.

[C]

Old and you're now treasure hunting in your own garage.

[B]

I was watching him, and his eyes lit up, you know.

[C]

But then he tried to play it cool.

[B]

It's been there five years. This thing literally looks like junk. And my wife had $20 in. And he said, you know, that. That's a good one. And I was like, as in, how good? Yeah. Because then I felt like, oh, how.

[C]

Good are we talking about?

[B]

I might make a hundred dollars. He said. He said, I'm gonna be honest. He said, it's probably worth $500. And then he said, does it work? And so I didn't. It's been there for five years.

[A]

It's like the ones that light up.

[B]

I have no idea. It just looked like a clock with.

[C]

A little, you know, just walk past it.

[B]

I knew it was in two pieces.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I said, well, I'll tell you what. You give me $300 right now.

[C]

You just turned into a flea market.

[B]

And I said, we're calling. He literally reached in his back pocket and handed me $300, which made me realize it's probably worth way more than that. So what?

[A]

No, no, that's what happened to Josh.

[C]

He had a guy.

[A]

He had a guy offer him 250 bucks for a bottle. One bottle. That's how he met the other guy. The guy's like, oh, he's ripping you off. He said, that bottle's worth five, three times that, 750 bucks.

[B]

So what, Zach? I. We had $20 in it, and I just thought, it's been laying here for five years, detached. Take the $300.

[A]

I'm just telling you, if you're out there and you got old Coca Cola paraphernalia, there's a. There's a group in Atlanta, Georgia. That's where they're. That's where they're centered at. The traders for coke, they all live in Atlanta and the surrounding areas. If you're Dr. Pepper, according to my guy here. I don't know if he's making this up, but he says that they're. They're all in Waco, Texas.

[C]

I think he's selling drugs.

[A]

He might be. That's what I thought.

[C]

False front. Zach.

[A]

He's got a bag right there sitting right here, and it's literally got 5,000.

[C]

I haven't met this Josh. I want to meet him, and I'll size him up when I meet him.

[A]

Well, my question is, should I take and demand a cut? Since technically he was housing all of the paraphernalia in the studio here.

[C]

No, because you Wouldn't have gotten the dumpster. So you get nothing. That's what I. I mean, we, we.

[B]

Laugh when we joke, but I got into treasure hunting based on the creator of the universe. You using treasure finding something lost? Because the stuff I find when they lost it, I'm not digging around in dumpsters. There's a limit to my treasure hunting. I don't get in a dumpster. But there's things under the ground that at the time they lost it was not valuable. Just think, if you drop a penny today, no big deal. But I told you, the last thing I found, I found a penny from.

[C]

1797, which all of a sudden became valuable.

[B]

That, that it's as big around as a half dollar and very few of them are.

[C]

That's a good point. Enough time goes by, things that weren't valuable become valuable. So.

[B]

Yeah, but my whole point is when in Luke 15 where.

[C]

Jesus, I just don't get the coke. Dr. Pepper. What is the infatuation?

[B]

Well, I don't know. I mean, they're not even good for you. No, but Al, at this stage, what happened? They made so much money when fizz drinks loaded with sugar was a thing, that they then started buying all kinds of things. And so actually we have a.

[C]

Did you know, I don't know the.

[B]

Percentage, but if you looked up the percentage of soft drinks that like Coke and Pepsi, it's a very small percentage to what they produce now.

[C]

I mean, they sell water. Do you know we have a Coca Cola museum here in Monroe? Have you ever been to it?

[B]

Well, I knew we had it.

[C]

I went to it because we used to be one of the first distributors this side of the Mississippi.

[B]

I went to it when I was a teenager. Yeah, we actually at my school took us there. Right. So I guess maybe it's really wasn't paying attention. I just thought, oh, we get out of class, you know, and I walked around and looked, thought, oh, old Coke bottles.

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[B]

But now look, I have found probably a dozen old Coke bottles that I didn't make money, but they were worth a lot of money.

[C]

What was the bottles you found that was, was it Dr. Tischen's or something?

[B]

Oh, wow. I found like, I have found thousands of bottles.

[C]

We actually that are like. But those, some of those are worth some money, right?

[B]

Oh, tons of money. You wouldn't believe it. We actually went and did a bottle treasure hunt, me, Murray and Jeff, because a ravine or a cliff just eroded into, you know, a ravine. And there were all these bottles. A wall like two or three feet below the surface. All these bottles are just sticking out everywhere. And so we went and loaded the truck. Truck. I mean, complete value of them, hundreds of dollars. So. But very few of them are intact. But it's fascinating. People are into this kind of stuff.

[A]

But my point, my guys pulled in $5,000 a day doing this now.

[C]

So he's. Well, the worst thing he ever did was let you know because now he'll never get a raise.

[B]

Yeah, but the point is, I'm saying the trade of your race.

[A]

Your raise was that dumpster out front.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Rake money out, Josh.

[C]

Welcome to the world of Z.

[B]

They created the universe used as an illustration. Luke 15 is all about joy. And it. It what's interesting to go with where we're at.

[C]

I was wondering how you were going to segue this.

[B]

Well, because he says there's rejoicing in heaven and on earth.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

When lost things are found. And in this case, he was picturing people as the lost people, which is why he was eating dinner with a bunch of people.

[C]

Because he had a lost coin, a lost sheep, and a lost son.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That's why I got in Treasure hunt. I thought of all the illustrations he could have used. This is what the joy. Because I've experienced that joy. I mean, when I found that large scent the other day, I went nuts. I was like within two seconds, I was 30ft away from where I was. And the people were looking at me. They're like, why are you so excited? What is it? And I said the fact that I don't know because I didn't know what it was. But I looked at it and I thought, large coin. And I see liberty. I saw liberty on the top of it. So the fact that I don't know means this is awesome. I have found a coin that is from 1797 that I've never seen that has some kind of America connotation to it. Yeah, I mean, we became a country in 1776. This is early on. I just found.

[A]

That's early.

[B]

Oh, it was fantastic. Then they all started jumping up and down and nobody knew what it was at the moment. But it's good.

[C]

I thought about you. I thought about you when I was in Ireland because, you know, so funny. Everything there, they've been around 1000, 1200 years.

[B]

Oh, I'm headed there one day.

[C]

Yeah, it's. It's amazing.

[B]

I'm going to Europe and do some treasure hunt.

[C]

All right, so let's get back to John 14. We kind of took. I guess we didn't take a detour. We stayed pretty much in our context. But you just asked me was the one question.

[B]

And I was like, I gave a 45 minute answer. In that we have God's presence. It's not far.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's close to us. So deal with it. Because I really think if you looked at it that way. And that's what he's introducing here.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's a difficult passage. I mean, we've spent what, two or Three.

[C]

And we knew we would.

[B]

But most people, when they read John 14:1 through 3 or 4, they're thinking is this is going to happen at a future date. And then they. I don't know if many people have read the 23. 14, 23.

[C]

Now, that was an interesting point you made, to bring the two in together.

[B]

Well, he made it. I just noticed.

[C]

I mean, that, you know.

[B]

Yeah. That he's like, if you trust me, we will come to you. The Father and I in room with you. I mean, what a. You know what it made me think, though, Al, is all the passages, you know, where it says the Lord is standing at the door. And like the one in Revelation, the Lord is. It's all these house metaphors of him dwelling with us. You know, the last verse in Ephesians, chapter two, where we have his spirit, it becomes a dwelling in. In where First Peter two lives.

[C]

Oh, yeah, it's you built up in living stones.

[B]

And even in the Acts 17 passages, he used an illustration about, look, the divine God is not like gold or silver or. And he makes all these. Even in other places, these illustrations where he's not some structure that you. That'll be washed away or torn down. Like we. We're in the building. Just think about how everything. I mean, you know, I mean, you think about even our president. He's. He'll go and he'll. He'll comment on a building. You know, this is. This is beautiful. You know, so we're into that. And so.

[C]

Which is funny, Jace, because when I was in Ireland, I don't think I mentioned this when I talked about it. So, like, people are like, what do you go see? And so people. The people that live there were telling me these buildings. There's an old church.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

There's a house that used to be, you know, like a mansion. There's a castle we went to. All of them were buildings. But you know where I enjoyed myself the most when I was in Ireland? When I was in people's homes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because we had great discussions. We talked about, you know, what was going on in their country. They were so curious about our politics and Trump, you know, they're asking me all these questions. It was. It was really fascinating. But it was in their hearts, homes that I enjoyed myself the most in this other country. But they kept trying to send me to these old houses that nobody lived in.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's kind of your same point.

[B]

You know what I mean? You remember the illustration Paul gave in 1 Corinthians 3, because what was happening is these people were coming to Christ and they were putting their faith in the people baptizing them. They're like, ooh, I follow Paul. I follow Apollos. I follow. And he kind of makes fun of them. He's like, I think you're missing the point. And so then he gets into that in 1 Corinthians 3, and I'll just pick it up, but in verse 6, it says, I planted the seed, Apollos watered it. But he's making the point to him, but God made it grow. We were just messengers. This is between you and God. He's wanting to dwell with you. And then he says, the man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each one will be recorded, rewarded according to his own labor. But then he makes a statement, for we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so that's the point I think he's making in John 14. He's not saying there's some mansion, like a, like, we're thinking, think of the greatest mansion you've ever thought about, like in heaven. And, oh, I'm. I get to live there. You know, it's going to be really nice. He, he's using it as a metaphor of, of saying, look, you're, you're the building, and, and me and you are together, and it's God and, and people.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you have his spirit, which.

[A]

Is what, which is what everybody really wants in the end. I, I, I think I told this story of when Jill and I went to that camp a couple weeks ago with the children's home. And there was that moment, or sitting there, and we're singing that song. I think Hillsong sings it. It's in my father's house. There's a place for me. And it's about being. The whole song is you're singing that, you know, I am a child of God. But, but that was, that was the line that got me. In my father's house, there's a place for me. And I'm looking at a room with about 80 or 90 orphan kids, and they're have their hands either open or to an imposter to receive, or in a. Holding them up in an expression of worship and gratitude. And they're all singing that song. In my father's house, there's a place for me. And I was like, wow. It just hit different because I'm thinking, you know, these are a lot of kids that didn't have a place to live, and they didn't that's why they were in a group home. Now, these group homes are amazing ministries, and they're doing the work. They are doing the work of the Lord, particularly the one here that Jill serves on the board at Black Mountain Home for Children. But to see those students do that, I don't know. I mean, I just broke down in tears because I thought, you know, every one of those kids is testifying right now to the longing that really is in all of our. Our hearts to have a place and a home to belong to, a father's house that we can live in. So that idea here, what Jesus is talking about, in my. In my father's house, there's many rooms. And he said, you belong. Like, I want you there. I want you to be. This is. This is the place where you're meant to live. That is the longing of the human heart. And Jesus is saying, that's the reason why I got to go, because if I don't go, the spirit's not going to come and live in you and take up his residence in your human body. So conservation has been an important part of our family alone, mainly because Phil was built the whole life around hunting ducks.

[C]

Well, in Zach, he. I think it's because he grew up and loved the land around him. And so it just. It makes our property special. You know, we have become conservationists for sure.

[A]

Yeah, conservation big. Part of it is the funding that comes from when we buy these federal duck stamps. You got to buy them every year if you're going to hunt ducks. And not just because we have to, because it matters. But this year, the all new digital duck stamp. It's available exclusively at our [e-mail] and it's actually the easiest way to get yours. You can buy it online, you can store it on your phone, and you're legal in just a few seconds. But more importantly, this is what you're doing. You're doing something that actually helps protect God's creation for the next generation of hunters to come up and. And be able to enjoy what we've all enjoyed our whole lives. These stamps fund real conservation. Wetlands, refuge lands, the sanctuaries, then the ducks that we've chased our whole lives. This isn't just about checking a box. It's about preserving a tradition and leaving the land better than we found it.

[C]

And, Zach, one of the things I love about it is, you know, I'm kind of a dinosaur. You know, I write things down, have paper with me, but the next generation of people, it's everything's with the phone. And so the idea of having it there and not having to worry. You're always gonna have your phone, but sometimes you don't know where the paper is. So it's very convenient.

[A]

Yeah. Trying to cram it in your wallet can be a hassle. You're trying to pull it out for a game board to look at. It's nice to have it all on your phone. And you can have it on your phone. All you got to do is visit duck stamp.com and get your digital stamp today. Real simple. That's duck stamp.com.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

And a practical illustration of that is like, I mean, when my wife and I first got married, you remember where we lived out a little apartment on, you know, it's not. Our neighbors were troubling. And then we moved in that little bitty house that, you know, $32,000. I mean, was it that long ago? And you're like, I mean they're practically given giving that away. Yeah, there's a reason for that. It was barely standing. But my point is, I mean, now I have more than one house. It's really nice, but it doesn't matter. I mean, but even when you went.

[C]

Back and visited that house, which you talked about a few podcasts ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they had upgraded and made a little bit.

[B]

Oh, we all got teary eyed because.

[C]

Of everything that happened there, all the community there.

[B]

Well, that was the point. It was like, I mean, my wife, it doesn't matter where we live. You know, we knew true joy with nothing in a shack. You know, I'm hitchhiking to get right. We had one vehicle. I mean it. But we were together and, and it was love. It was real love. It did not matter. And I think that's what you got to get in your head. These are all illustrations to show it doesn't matter where we live as long as we're together. I mean, any trip that you go on, who's with you is the predominant factor.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I've been to the. Some of the world's most spectacular places with a group of people that were miserable. I mean, even when I went to Israel, it wasn't a. I mean you had to check a box that say to say you were a believer. But people were like free trip to Israel, VIP rolling out the red carpet. Well, that just, that brought in a lot of people that it's very difficult to be with for a sustained period of time. Let me just, I'm trying to be nice here. But because they would gripe and Complain about everything, you know, and you're like, man, it's hard to live with these people. I mean, look, look at. Look at that. Because I was. My view is everything was positive and awesome. This is basically a picture of the Bible. And. But for people who were just trying to be an influencer, because that was the idea. But if you had a lot of influence in social media, you got invited because Israel, they would pay for it for you to make them look great. That was the deal. Somehow we got the request and I was like, free trip to Israel. Let's go. I'm in. But I didn't think about. I was with a large group of people who had other reasons for doing that, you know, and it was very difficult. It basically turned into a Bible study about. Because problems happen, people are crying and, you know, lives were broken. And it was a pretty tough trip, even though it was VIP paid for. And so that's my point. I think the trip of life, which God's eternal. That's what he's saying. I want to dwell with you forever. And the fact that he's welcoming us in should be appealing.

[C]

Yeah. Well, it's interesting because Lisa sells houses, and it's. It's very interesting because people buy houses. We live where she's selling houses in a place that's very nice and beautiful settings and on the water and sunsets and all the things you love. But we've had so many people, and I say we because, you know, you're not married to a real estate agent that you're not a part of listening to all their discussions. There are some miserable, terrible situations over beautiful homes and beautiful places because the family is so disruptive and dysfunctional that even in the most beautiful setting, it can be a miserable place to be. And that's really about what goes on inside. And that's really kind of what our whole conversation was.

[B]

Watch a few episodes of Dateline. It doesn't matter where you live. You know, it's actually, you know, more monstrous sometimes in the perfect set because they really like those stories and some of them are preachers and, you know, whatever. It's.

[C]

So you read a verse. I want to read this verse. You read a verse last time from 1st Thessalonians 5. And so I want to advance our story a little bit to get into a little bit of this in our remaining time on the podcast, because we're kind of going to shift down to the Holy Spirit. I feel like we kind of explained the idea that when. Cause both Thomas and Philip question Jesus statements to him. I mean, one of them is like, how do we know we don't know where you're going. And then he says, well, I am the way, the truth and the lie. I mean, in other words, if you know me, you know. And then Philip says, well, if you just show us the Father, that'll be enough. And he's like, well, have you not been watching and listening? Because I've been telling you all along, if you've seen the Father, you've seen me. So he kind of explains it, but then that's when he shifts into this conversation about the link that brings it all together being the Holy Spirit.

[B]

Well, he actually gave them the answer when Thomas said, lord, we don't know where you're going, so how can we know the way? So he went, Google Maps. You're like, okay, you're going. You're going to prepare a plate. Well, how are we going to get there?

[C]

Will you give that to me so I can put it in my phone?

[B]

It's like a trip, you know, we're going to Israel. But now, when's my plane taking off? Where's the exact location? And he's like, I am. Which is the phrase for God that he used, referred to himself. He's equating himself with God over and over again, kind of subtly. But at this point, we got it.

[A]

You got it.

[B]

I am the good shepherd. I am the light of the world. I mean, what are the other ones? I am the resurrection. So here he's like, I am the way. How can a person be the way? But I think it's always bring that illustration about the Jewel of the Nile. Because I was so shocked, you know, they were looking for this jewel in the Harrison Ford, you know, and at some point you realize it's just this dude, you know, this guy. He is the Jewel.

[C]

It's a guy.

[B]

And I was like, where'd they get that idea? John 14. You know, the whole movie was about the jewel was actually a person who.

[C]

Had special supernatural Douglas powers.

[B]

Was it Michael?

[C]

Yeah, Michael Douglas.

[B]

Been a while since I watched the movie.

[C]

Only I would know that.

[A]

But I think you're thinking Temple of Dame.

[C]

You're thinking you just played at Indiana Jones, crossed over two genres from.

[B]

No, I remember him. Said, I am the Jewel. He was the Jewel.

[C]

Yeah. This is the Jewel.

[B]

It was a guy from the Middle east who had special powers. I don't know where they got that idea. Oh, it's a guy, it's a person. Is. Is the jewel, right? And, well, Now, Jesus is kind of doing the same thing. You trust me. But then he gets into this language about, I'm leaving, but I'm coming. I mean, just a few verses later. Well, how is that possible? Yeah, well, there's another aspect, because up until this time, it's mainly been about the Father and Him. But they're one. He said that three times before that we pointed out me and the Father are one. Well, now there's another one, which is he's referring to as the counselor.

[C]

So. And he says, let me just read 15, 16. Then I want to refer back to a verse you had in Thessalonians. If you love me, you will obey what I command, verse 15. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another counselor to be with you forever. The Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows Him. But you know him, for he lives with you, meaning Himself, and will be in you, meaning Himself and the Spirit. See the cross over there? I will not leave you as orphans. Zach, to your point earlier about the orphanage, I will come to you before long. The world will not see me anymore, but you will see me because I live. You also will live. On that day, you will realize that I am in the Father and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by the Father, and I, too, will love him and show myself to Him.

[A]

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[C]

I do.

[A]

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[B]

Well, let me interject because you skipped this paragraph and I think on purpose because this is all response to a question, right? You know, Thomas was being Thomas. Like, how do we know the way? Give me the gps. Then Philip said, well, Lord, show us the Father and that'll be enough. Because they're still being basic human, which even humans today say that, well, I'll tell you what, if I. If God could see him, so it's a natural. So. But then he says, well, don't you know, Philip, even after I've been among you such a long time, anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. I just want to bring this up because that's a very important sentence because Jesus basically is saying there's a God and you're looking at him, correct in a human form. Because then you should say, God became a man. He came to earth. I mean, that's opening up your mind. So then he's like, how can you show me the Father? Well, don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? All this, what you just read now gives this sense because he's like, we're one. But there's another aspect to this because then he goes on to say, the words I say to you are not just mine. It's the Father living in me who is doing his work. Believe me, I am in the Father and the Father is in me. And you should believe just based on the miracles themselves. How am I doing these miracles? There's another power at work here. But then he gets practical and he says, I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I've been doing. Because he's introducing the idea that I'm going to give you my spirit so you can do the same things. But then I find this fascinating. He will do even greater things than these, than what he's doing, because I am going to the Father, right? It's like when I. That's why I'm leaving. Because then you have to figure out what his point is. And I think his point, maybe Zach can comment, is that as long as Jesus is confined to this human body, he can only be at one place at one time. But if he leaves and then pours out that spirit that he has, that is God, into millions of other people, billions now.

[A]

Billions.

[B]

You can just take over the world.

[C]

Yeah, well, there's.

[A]

You know, it's funny you say that. There's a book on my shelf behind me by Tom Holland and the name of it is Dominion. And the book is essentially a historical analysis of what has been the impact of Christianity on the world. He just goes back and historically traces all this. And when you look at the impact, the things that we take for granted, like your hospital systems, those did not happen in a secular environment. Hospitals were created by Christians, people who carry the Holy Spirit. I mean, you just. The abolishment of slavery. I mean, there's so the advancements in science, everything. You look at the impact that, that Christ had on the world and you kind of come back to this moment right here and you think, whoa, when he said, you'll do greater things than me. A lot of people interpret that as some kind of like just. He's talking about miracles. No, no, this is way beyond the miracles. It is about us exercising as vice regents our God given mandate to cultivate the Earth and have dominion over it. So we are, I mean, that's what we were originally told to do. Be fruitful, multiply, cultivate the Earth, have dominion over it. And that got thwarted by the fall, but in Christ, through the Holy Spirit. Now this is, this is the kingdom, right? The kingdom is, is spreading across the entire globe. And so we don't have the same world that we live in, not any, anywhere close to where we live now. If you take out Jesus, or 1. If you leave Jesus and the Holy Spirit never comes. I mean, we don't have the world we have today without the Holy Spirit. Indwelling believers. It's pretty powerful.

[B]

No, it is. I just Wanted to bring that up. The last verse is then he even said, and now you also have access to the Father because he says, if you ask, whatever you ask in my name, so the Son may bring glory to. To the Father. You may ask me anything and I'll do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you have access now to the creator of the universe and that power, and it's in you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's why when you see an orphan kid, I mean, y' all know the story about me, you know, helping this kid. Well, I'm getting that from God. I mean, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of sacrifice, you know, But I'm. I'm moved because I'm looking at this kid going back to our treasure hunting illustration, thinking he's valuable. This is the sheep on the shoulder.

[C]

Which takes you back to the John 13. That's why you serve. That's why you wash the feet of other people. So I want to close in the last couple of minutes here because we got a guest coming on for our last segment. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. As you read that in the last podcast, that's 1 Thessalonians 5, 23, and then the next book to the Thessalonians second, Thessalonians 2. He says this the same group of people, but look how he frames it. This second go around, this will set us up to talk more about the Holy Spirit. But we also ought to thank God for you, brothers. Loved by the Lord. 2, 13. Because from the beginning, God chose you as the first fruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. It's so good because it just shows you that picture. And I love the idea of what you described last time. You can't separate out body, soul and spirit. They're one.

[B]

They're one.

[C]

And yet they're brought blameless through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. And I love the way he called them the first fruits. Because the idea is you were the first ones after the firstborn over all creation to now receive that Holy Spirit.

[B]

And the whole picture is this. There's a new creation out there. And you'll see them coming because they're doing Jesus things. They're looking at people that have just made poor decisions and their life is a wreck. And you're like, hey, you want a new Start I know a guy and you see this transformation. That's why I'm sitting here. Because I saw that in life with my dad and my mom, they couldn't have been making any more worse decisions. And then all of a sudden, their whole body, soul and spirit was literally deteriorating before our eyes, you know, and almost lost everything. Oh, yeah.

[C]

But it was a, it was a spiritual decision that changed them, so it changed them. So we got a guest coming on next. And so here's how I'm going to say here's my tease, Jace. So we're other than my wife and my mom. This woman who's about to come on our podcast has changed my life more than anyone on planet Earth.

[B]

Oh, wow. Al.

[C]

So how's that for a setup?

[A]

That's quite the setup.

[C]

That's quite the setup. So we will reveal our mystery guests talking about life change right after we take this break. Life is precious. But right now, so many women are facing the heartbreak of an unplanned pregnancy without the support that they need. Nearly one in four pregnancies in our nation ends an abortion. That's thousands of lives that are lost every single day. But there is hope and is found through the life saving work of pre born network clinics. Miracles happen every single day. There, a mother sees her baby for the first time on an ultrasound screen. And in that instant, a heart is changed and a life is saved. More than 350,000 babies are alive today through this life. Giving work. And women are meeting Jesus, getting real help in choosing life. Just ask Valeria, who once believed she didn't deserve to be a mom until her search led her to a preborn clinic. Today she's raising a beautiful daughter who's already bringing hope and joy to others. Zach, you and I have been a part of the pro life movement in different ways. You guys have adopted. Jill works in a children's home. So I mean, obviously it means a lot to you guys. It means a lot to us and what we do kind of on the pregnancy center side as well.

[A]

Yeah, we definitely see the importance of it. You know, our family's certainly committed to the value of, of human life.

[C]

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[A]

She's not fat.

[C]

No, no. She's my fat scientist. I was fat Zach, and now because of her. So when she. When my first. Because I've not met Ashley, even though she's been on the podcast, because she. You're from Asheville.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

And so you were in Zach's studio when you were on the podcast. So we haven't met in person. I've watched, I don't know, hundreds. I've watched dozens of your videos because you send them out, because you keep up with your people, which now I realize I'm telling all the secrets on why this works, because you're telling people great information. And you are a scientist. You're a doctor. And so I've been telling the audience, I think you're positioned uniquely to help people, just like you help me, because you help explain the why of it very well, and so do your people. So you're my fat scientist, but your fact counselors are the people that talk to me every week, and I have a relationship with them as well. So when I was. I walked in and met you today, I was like, you did this? And you said, what?

[D]

I said, no, I didn't. You did.

[C]

You said you did. That's what a good scientist will do. It's like.

[B]

So she's been. She's been influential because she made a lot less of you.

[C]

Exactly. And look, Jay, she got the ultimate endorsement. So they're filming for the. The revival, Duck Dynasty next door, over in the other podcast room. And I walked by the door, and I realized Willie looks up and they're filming.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he looks up and he sees me walk by the door, and I see him do a double take. And as soon as they took a break, he runs in here to meet you because he's like, I hadn't seen Al since he was fat. What happened to us? That's the ultimate endorsement.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

Which is good, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So welcome back to Unashamed, and thank you. I get to tell you in person, thank you for all you've done for me, because obviously, it's been a life changer for me just to be healthy. And I want to talk about that today because last time we talked about your story and kind of how you got started with the business, but I Wanted to ask you about the health components because we're obviously trying to convince people that are listening and I get texts all the time. They just posted a picture last night on my social media of me from January to a few weeks ago. And they're really pictures that are well done. So it shows it well. But you don't want to believe the texts have started rolling in from friends of mine around the country who maybe don't listen to podcasts. So they didn't know. And that was the first time they'd really noticed. And what they really don't know, the looks of it is one thing. I look great, I feel great. But the health component is really the most amazing thing to me because I'm about to do all my wellness checks next in next week and I'm almost convinced I'm going to be off all of my meds that I was on going in and I hadn't. This is an announcement. Dr. Ashley, I haven't said this before right now that I got off my CPAP machine two weeks ago.

[D]

Congratulations.

[C]

Yeah. And I mean it has been life changing. I can sleep now without the hoses and the noise, although it takes a little getting used to after 15 years, but 15 years. 15 years that I've been on that.

[D]

CPAP machine and then how long did it take to be able to let that go? How many weeks probably?

[C]

Well, so I started trying it when Lisa and I, like she would be in Alabama and I would be here because I was still afraid I would keep her up and I wasn't sure if I was snoring or not. And so I started sleeping with that but I was sleeping better, like I wouldn't wake up congested and because I have all these kids congestion issues and so it took me about a month to kind of wean off of it. But now for the last two weeks I haven't slept with it at all. I've been sleeping great. I've been sleeping good on this whole diet but now without that, that's like a ball in a chain. Because I travel, I have to take it with me. I'm fearful of not being with it. And so I mean that has done wonders for me. So what kind of stories do you hear from people about health wise meds? Things like I just shared.

[A]

I mean do you get that a lot?

[D]

All the time. I hear that all the time. Reversing type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, fatty liver sleep apnea is a big one. People don't even realize that that might be a possibility. And it's amazing how quickly we can see these changes. For a lot of folks who are on insulin, it might even be one to two weeks where we see drops in that medication. There's something magical about 16 weeks where the body really can start to heal itself. And it's usually around that 16 week mark where we can start to see the difference. So I wonder for you, Al, when you were able to start dropping those medications, if it was around week 12, 16 or something, isn't that weird?

[C]

They cut it in half. My blood pressure medicine got cut in half about that exact mark.

[D]

That's right. So interesting, you guys were talking about treasure hunting and things that were lost and what we can find and the joy that it brings. And so it sounds to me, Al, like you have found better health, better sleep, like so many things we can find in the process of life transformation, of which I think weight loss definitely is classified as.

[C]

You know, the number one statement I get asked every time someone will see me for the first time or see something online, they say, here's the words they use, which is interesting. They're like, oh, you look great. I get that some, but it's mostly, you look healthy. They use the word healthy. Which is interesting because there's a lot of different reasons why people lose weight. Sometimes they get sick. There's a lot of things that are unhealthy about sudden weight loss. We were talking about people on drugs. You know, we have a friend that used to be a drug addict. Drug addicts are usually very skinny, but that's not healthy, obviously. And they don't look healthy. And so it is interesting that with this plan that you look healthier because you are healthier.

[D]

That's right. And nowadays there are a lot of ways to go through weight loss with medications and if not done the right way, which the majority of people are not taking these medications, well, they're losing a whole bunch of muscle and you look strong and your skin looks great. Have you noticed a difference with that?

[B]

A big difference?

[C]

Yeah, big time.

[D]

And what your body can tolerate. I remember when you started the program, you shared with me that you couldn't exercise. It didn't feel good.

[C]

Yeah, it made me nauseated.

[D]

Yeah. Your body was so inflamed. So when you can go through a fat loss journey and do it naturally without any kind of medications and actually get off medications because you're transforming your health, the outcome is so different.

[C]

Well, look, and not only that, like I told Lisa, I was like, now look, because, you know, we've been A part of church a long time. So there'll be people that go through weight loss through different programs and plans. And I have to admit, most of the time, a lot of the time, they look much older and their skin doesn't look good through the process. And so I kept telling her, saying, look, babe, I'm fixing to do this weight loss thing. I'm convinced it's going to work because Dr. Ats and her crew are so convinced, but I'm going to look terrible. So just be ready for that because I'm going to look ancient and old and saggy and because I've seen that so many times. So I was, like, trying to prepare her. Now get ready. Because, like, it's going to be great, Al Skinny. Yeah, but I'm going to look terrible. But was I ever wrong about that?

[D]

What does she think?

[C]

Well, if she were here, she'd say she can't keep her hands off.

[B]

Maybe, hey, it's legal. It's God sanctioned.

[C]

If she were here, she'll tell you that tonight. I'm sure that'll be one of the first things.

[B]

So how does this. I mean, I read somewhere that, you know, you break a habit, takes three weeks to break a habit. I'm not sure that sanctioned, but I read that somewhere. So. Because I think from my perspective is the most difficult thing is how to start and how does this work? So take us through. Exactly. For people that may not know what you are even talking about, I mean, how does this process work?

[D]

So the first step is to have a consultation with one of our nutritionists. Because everybody is different, the plan is going to look different. So Al's program looks different than Zach's, which would look different than another person's. So we make sure we customize the length of the program and what the program actually involves to the individual. Once the individual's ready to get started, we focus on what they're eating and when they're eating by creating customized and personalized plans that takes out all the guesswork. So, Al, you know exactly what you're eating for what meals, and it makes the process as easy and simple as possible. Yeah, we provide a lot of the food at no additional cost. It's just a tool. But the dinner meal is the person's responsibility because I want it to become a habit, a new habit, and become an expert at one meal at a time. So I bet, Al, now you are super confident in what to eat for dinner. You can travel, you can go to Ireland and understand what you should be looking for. And then as we go, we gradually release any of the foods and start to practice lunch and breakfast and snacks while you're having one on one coaching with one of our great nutritionists. Yours is Heather, and she's guiding you through how you think about food, your mindset, the sabotaging triggers, the old habit demons that might come back up through your journey and just helping you navigate so that this becomes your new identity. That's what this has to be, is an identity shift so that you can actually keep the weight off for good. And that's my ultimate goal. I think the big issue is a lot of people don't have a weight loss problem. They have a weight maintenance problem. We don't often talk about maintenance because it's not as sexy as dropping weight, but it is the most important part, and that's what we're really doing, is setting every person up for success to actually keep the weight off for good and be healthier in the end, not just, you know, less on the scale.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And even, even like Heather, to me, it's not only encouraging to know you're going to have that conversation every week and accountable, but also she's been like already beginning the conversation to steer me into what's called maintenance, which is what happens when you achieve the goal you're trying to get to. But then you want to be this way the rest of your life.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

You know, and be and be changed by that and you, and you know, things you can't unknow. And I have to say, Dr. Ashley, that your confidence, that first consultation we had because I got an opportunity to talk to you and not everybody gets that. I realize that, but I had that opportunity. But you were so confident that we were going to get there and I was so not confident.

[D]

I know you weren't.

[C]

I mean, because I had already been through several things I just tried to myself. And yet you're like, oh, let's see here, you're doing the math. You're like, oh, yeah, we'll be here. Yeah, no problem. And you just never even doubted it. But I told Lisa later, I was like, you know, she seems to think that we're going to do this and that helped me to think it can be done. I mean, it really is a confidence thing for people to realize you can be here and you can be changed. And look, I know there's a thousand reasons not to do it in terms of, in our minds and the way it works, but sometimes you just have to take that leap and go Right. I mean, decide you're going to do it.

[D]

You got to have the faith in yourself, the confidence, the belief, the hope that change can be possible. It's just like all of the transformation stories you guys have been sharing. Weight loss is no different.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And no matter what you've been through in the past, I mean, you had tried Ozempic, and it didn't work for you.

[C]

No, it made me sick.

[D]

And you thought, oh, my gosh, what I'm gonna. What am I gonna do? And I remember your goal was to drop 60 pounds while you were turning 60. And I said, oh, no, that's gonna be a little bit more.

[C]

She did.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

She was like, keep going. And she was right.

[B]

Well. And you have all this baggage that you bring. I mean, my dad was just so blunt in life about everybody's anatomy, but. And, you know, his. His answer to weight loss was, ow, too many honey buns. And everybody would laugh, you know, and even, like, you brought up the Duck Dynasty remake. They were wanting me and Willie to have an interview, and they wanted it to be funny and. But. And they wanted me to make fun of Willie. And so they had a few fat jokes, you know, that they had come up with. I looked. I was like, I don't need any fat joke. I've been making fun of Willie our whole life because we've just, you know, been doing that. But in a way, it's like, since it was funny, it's like, well, it's not a problem. You know, you kind of. That just becomes your identity. And I do think, psychologically, it is a factor in there. And so I think that's why this plan really works. You kind of break down the old baggage in the way you think, well, the.

[C]

The joke has been, we're out of time, but the joke has been, for me, I said, I've done it on some of the ads. Is that you. You know, PhD, we were approached by you guys, or we approach you guys, and they needed a guinea pig from our podcast, and I was the fattest pig. And so I got the gig. And I'm so glad.

[D]

So lucky that you were.

[C]

Exactly. And that I can say that. But really, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I'm so glad you're here in West Monroe to celebrate some new things for me and with me and just want to encourage everybody in the audience. So, look, if you guys are interested, you know, we do ads for this. MyPhdWeightloss.com is a good way to reach you.

[D]

Yeah. And we actually have real people who I absolutely love on the phone. So if you would rather just pick up the phone and call us, it's 886-464-4 1900. That's 864-644-1900 and tell them Al Roberson sent you. That's right.

[C]

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