Ep 1155 | Missy's Bold Message to Washington, DC & the Robertson Hollywood Cameo Nobody Noticed

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Ep 1155

Title: Missy's Bold Message to Washington, DC & the Robertson Hollywood Cameo Nobody Noticed
Date: September 1, 2025
Host: Tread Lively
Main Cast: Jase Robertson, Lisa Robertson, Missy Robertson
Special Guest: Trent Talbot (CEO, Brave Books)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings together the Robertson family—Jase, Lisa, and Missy—along with Brave Books founder Trent Talbot, focusing on faith, family, and courage in modern culture. The discussion flows from personal health and aging, humorous family stories, and Hollywood mishaps to their ongoing advocacy for family values and Christian faith in the public square. Missy and Lisa share the emotional impact of supporting families facing medical challenges, while Missy recounts her recent, faith-driven appearance at the Library of Congress. The episode rounds out with a robust talk on the importance of reclaiming cultural spaces for good, especially through children’s literature.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Family Health, Aging, and Humor

• Testosterone and Aging: The episode opens with lighthearted banter about testosterone, working out, and the realities of aging (01:04–04:53). Both Jase and Lisa discuss the importance of adapting their exercise routines.
  • “You have to work out smarter...as we begin to wear out a little bit, we do have to be. Work out a little smarter.” – Jase (03:02)
• Golf and Growing Old: The Robertsons joke about senior golf and the many “appliances” their peers use to keep playing, poking fun at the idea of becoming “RoboCop” golfers (03:45–05:00).

2. Behind the Scenes: Hollywood and Unnoticed Cameos

• Changing Rooms and Modesty: Missy shares her experience filming a Super Bowl commercial, navigating the lack of privacy on set, and the shift in perspective it brought (07:13–09:31).
• Jase’s Hollywood Moment: Jase recalls nervously acting in a pro-life movie (“Roe v. Wade”), only for his dramatic death scene to be cut, leading to a “walk of shame” after hyping it to his church (09:31–14:42).
  • “It was the death that no one saw except for me.” – Jase (14:35)

3. Speaking Events & Marital Teamwork

• Lisa and Jase’s Joint Events: The couple opens up about past awkwardness during joint speaking engagements and how they have grown as communicators since (15:07–17:26).
  • “After it was over, I was like, well, I think that went pretty good. And she wasn't speaking to me...She said, ‘Can I talk now?’” – Jase recounting Lisa (16:34)
• Upcoming Event Announcement: Lisa and Jase will be speaking together in Warsaw, Indiana, October 21st, at the Fellowship Missions Night of Hope and Inspiration banquet (18:03–19:00).

4. Navigating Family Struggles Through Faith

• Current Family Challenges: Lisa shares that several of their children are facing transitions and unresolved issues, emphasizing the family’s reliance on prayer and the Holy Spirit for guidance (21:47–23:10).
  • “We're really leaning on communication with each other as a family and individual communication with the Lord to help guide us and to comfort us in some of these situations.” – Lisa (22:00)
• Scriptural Comfort: The group centers on John 14, noting Jesus’ promise of the Holy Spirit as comfort when life is troubled (20:58–23:10; 37:23–42:00).
  • “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God. Trust also in me.” – Lisa reads from John 14 (23:02)

5. Ministering to Families in Crisis

• Supporting Cleft Palate Families: Lisa and Missy describe their work with The Mia Moo Fund, providing spiritual and practical support for families facing cleft diagnoses (25:06–30:43).
  • “It's just amazing how I can look back and think how little I knew about this and how much we know about it now.” – Lisa (26:56)
• Empathy and Experience: The value of peer-to-peer support is highlighted as parents prepare for their child’s first surgery and wrestle with uncertainty and fear.
  • “Their first surgery's coming up...it'll be the worst two days of your life. Oh, no, he's going to handle it way better than you.” – Missy (30:15)

6. Faith, Trouble, and Perseverance

• Suffering as Growth: Lisa reflects on how difficult times—like daughter Mia’s 16 surgeries—form resilience and deepen faith (35:21–36:38).
  • “Now I'm not scared of doing hard things...I have that confidence that comes from the Lord.” – Lisa (36:11)
• Trust in the Holy Spirit: The ongoing need to rely on the Holy Spirit for courage and the right words in hard moments is a recurring theme (36:45–38:10).

7. Boldness in Public Faith – Missy's Washington, DC Story

• Reading at the Library of Congress: Missy, invited by Brave Books, recounts her “brave” moment bringing a message of faith and biblical values to America’s foremost library, relishing the absence of opposition and the positive response from attendees (42:38–58:29).
  • “I’m at the Library of Congress...I’m going to read the Bible on stage. And it was welcomed—the ultimate brave book.” – Lisa (56:56)
• Government Positivity: The segment notes the encouraging shift in Washington, DC, with improved public order and official support for faith-based initiatives.

8. Brave Books – A Movement for Family Values

• Culture Shift in Libraries: Trent Talbot details Brave Books’ journey: initial rejections, legal fightbacks, and the eventual invitation to the Library of Congress for national story hour events (53:30–55:37).
  • “That whole story hour thing...was a wake-up call to a lot of people that, man, we're losing this country...and then to see Brave Books and Kirk [Cameron] fight back and win...I think it did play a small role in making this comeback and starting to have some wins.” – Trent (55:15)
• Role of the Church: Missy emphasizes the church’s responsibility to speak “truth to power” and reclaim cultural institutions for good (56:11).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Aging Gracefully:
  “As we begin to wear out a little bit, we do have to be. Work out a little smarter. I’m smarter than I was when I was 20.” – Jase (03:02)
• On Awkward Hollywood Moments:
  “I turned around and squeamishly got down to my underwear and changed in front of people walking by...I guess this is Hollywood...No one cares here.” – Missy (09:14)
• On Public Embarrassment:
  “I was so embarrassed. I called the guy...he said, yeah, it just didn’t make sense to some audience, so they cut it. It was the last cut.” – Jase (14:16)
• On Marital Communication:
  “She waited till we got in the car...‘Can I talk now?’” – Jase, imitating Lisa’s frustration (16:34)
• On Supporting Troubled Families:
  “...what you’re really afraid of is the unknown. But once you get with people who have gone through this...they now don’t feel alone.” – Missy (29:15)
• On Faith in the Face of Suffering:
  “I don’t want to go through that again...but I wouldn’t change any of that because it made her who she is, and it made us who we are, too.” – Lisa (35:27)
• On Being Guided by the Spirit:
  “Sometimes you don’t know what to say, but then sometimes you do know what to say, and that’s why you’re in that position.” – Jase (36:38)
• On Bold Public Faith:
  “I can’t say no to God. Even if I don’t want to do what I feel like He’s leading me to do, how can I say no? He’s been so, so good and just faithful through every circumstance.” – Lisa (26:05)
• On Cultural Engagement:
  “Brave is just another word for unashamed, you know, and it’s one that kids can even get.” – Jase (48:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:04–04:53 — Health, aging, exercise, and family humor
• 07:13–09:31 — Missy’s Super Bowl commercial and changing room story
• 09:31–14:42 — Jase’s film cameo and the “death scene” that was cut
• 15:07–19:00 — Marriage event stories; upcoming Warsaw, Indiana event announced
• 20:58–23:10 — Focusing on John 14 and the Holy Spirit’s role in family struggles
• 25:06–30:43 — Supporting cleft palate families through the Mia Moo Fund
• 35:21–36:38 — The transformative power of suffering and faith
• 37:23–42:00 — Trusting the Holy Spirit in ministry; bodily resurrection
• 42:38–58:29 — Missy’s story hour at the Library of Congress, Brave Books movement
• 53:30–55:37 — Brave Books’ journey from legal battles to government invitation
• 56:46–58:29 — Experiencing a positive shift in DC, sharing faith openly

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Tone and Language

The episode is candid, humorous, and faith-centered, balancing Southern storytelling with moments of vulnerability and spiritual encouragement. The dialogue reflects the Robertsons' trademark mix of humility, conviction, and playful ribbing.

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Conclusion

This episode of Unashamed showcases the Robertsons’ mission to live and speak boldly for Christ in every arena—from family living rooms and local churches to Hollywood and the halls of Congress. Their stories and insights affirm the value of community, transparency, and unwavering faith, empowered by the Holy Spirit to tackle life’s challenges and leave a lasting impact on culture.

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Transcript

[Jase Robertson]

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[Missy Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jase Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We have it's a new podcast. We've been so male centric in the last podcast. Now we have feminized by bringing Missy and welcome Missy to the. Yeah, we were very. We were calling it the High Tea High Testosterone podcast. Not necessarily. I don't know. Jace probably doesn't get any blood test. I know what my levels are because I did the yearly check.

[Missy Robertson]

I wanted to even ask what is the true.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I didn't even know what that meant of testosterone.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah, it's a blood test.

[Jase Robertson]

They can tell you from a blood test.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, guess what? I take testosterone.

[Jase Robertson]

Really?

[Lisa Robertson]

Yes.

[Jase Robertson]

No wonder, no wonder. You're the leading.

[Missy Robertson]

I'm really confused.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, I do because after menopause they checked my blood levels and told me what all I needed to be on. And, and I think her exact words were we're going to get you feeling like you're back in your 20s. And I was like not so sure that's possible, but it's pretty close. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's good.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, so the, so the urology people that I go see that keep check on this stuff for me, I'm like, do you just take it if you're. If it gets low as a man? Because a lot of times in men you get lower too. And she said, well, the problem is if you start taking it as a man, then your body will get quite quit producing at all. I said, well, I don't like the sound of that. She's. I said what do I do? And she said, well, you need to start working out. I said, oh, well, Jason, you have that cup. Yeah.

[Missy Robertson]

You need a catalyst.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I don't know. But now I have, babe. So now that I've lost the weight, I feel better. So I'm working out again and doing some weight. So I'm doing it naturally, which is much better.

[Missy Robertson]

I mean, the. I think what I. What I do. These people like Jay, you know, I told him what I do, and he's like, so. I don't even think they view that as working out. I mean, I do a lot of stretching and a lot of jumping and a lot. Because I.

[Lisa Robertson]

You're swimming.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, the older the swimming, you have.

[Jase Robertson]

To work out smarter. I mean, I know there's. I say that, and there's probably people out there older than me that just throw weight around, but, I mean, as we begin to wear out a little bit, we do have to be. Work out a little smarter. I'm smarter than I was when I was 20.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, that's what I was saying. If you want to do some things, I like to play golf, which I taken years off with, you know, and that was detrimental to my golf game. But if you go play two or three days, you know, in a row, you can't get up out of bed. So you have to have some. Because your body. I mean. Have you ever seen the Senior Tour, Al? Have you ever watched that? Which. I don't know why you would.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, it's been a minute. I was going to say. Do they still air this?

[Missy Robertson]

Now, here's what's fascinating.

[Jase Robertson]

We ride in carts.

[Missy Robertson]

No, they all. You know, they ride in carts. But look, the whole unashamed nation should watch. Watch this. Don't think about the golf. Don't watch it. Just look at how many appliances they have on their body. Look, there's braces and sleeves and there's all kind of things.

[Jase Robertson]

It looks like, because they've spent their life playing golf every single day.

[Missy Robertson]

It looks like a commercial for all these.

[Jase Robertson]

Like an orthopedic clinic had a stampede.

[Missy Robertson]

That's it.

[Lisa Robertson]

They're not sitting home doing nothing. They're doing it, and it's not stopping them. They're just using all of these extras to make them feel good and make them feel.

[Jase Robertson]

Babe.

[Missy Robertson]

I think it's keeping their body in one piece. Because if. What would make the ratings one step.

[Jase Robertson]

Away from being RoboCop?

[Missy Robertson]

What would make the ratings go. If a guy swings and his arm falls off? You know, you're like, oh, whoa. You know, people come out there with the little Stranger.

[Jase Robertson]

All of a sudden, it's just flying around.

[Missy Robertson]

I mean, I'm like, well, that's why I realized I just saw that one day.

[Jase Robertson]

And Jace, we're. We're now senior golfers.

[Missy Robertson]

I'm officially.

[Jase Robertson]

When you hit 50 is the cross.

[Missy Robertson]

So I thought I might need to do some stretching.

[Jase Robertson]

Stretching's a good.

[Missy Robertson]

Because I don't want to look like that, just wearing all these appliances.

[Lisa Robertson]

He don't look like that. I'm gonna brag on him because he does work out in our bedroom at home with just a few weights and some stretching and stuff like that. But now he's been swimming because it stretches his back muscles. And we're spending a lot of time in the pool with AK little man these days, too. But now you got a tan. So you have a tan. I'm just saying you're fit. You're.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, we know. The other day, we were. Zach was in North Carolina, and I was in Gulf Shores, so Jace was here. And for some reason, he had to change shirts in between podcasts or something. And so we all got the full view. We was like, oh, look at Jason's going shirtless.

[Missy Robertson]

I didn't realize. I mean, I'm like, you know, the producer threw me a shirt, said, put that on for this commercial. And I was looking around, I thought, well, if this is where it has to happen. And then I didn't realize they're watching me.

[Jase Robertson]

So I was like, this is all front and center.

[Missy Robertson]

Call it.

[Jase Robertson]

I felt insecure.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah, I felt insecure. I was like, well, this is. Sorry.

[Jase Robertson]

I just thought it was a bold move. It was pretty good. I might do it now. I wouldn't have done it a year ago.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah, you should do it now.

[Jase Robertson]

So dad used to do that. We go in the baptistry changing room and, like, you know, somebody's getting baptized. And so dad would be like, now we have waiters and stuff that you could put on. But in the old days, you just would get into something that was there to wear to baptize people at the. At the church building. And dad would look around, he'd say, we're all men here. And he would just strip down, just butt naked. And it was so awkward.

[Lisa Robertson]

It's a jumpsuit. You have to put on. You have to.

[Jase Robertson]

But it was like, oh, he did the look. Do we. What do we do?

[Missy Robertson]

He actually did that in my presence one day in there. And I said, phil, that's why these stalls.

[Jase Robertson]

You close that. That's a private thing.

[Missy Robertson]

You know what he said? He Was like, hey, are we men? God made you a man.

[Jase Robertson]

So between. Grew up in locker rooms because he played sports his whole life in college, and men don't think as much about it.

[Lisa Robertson]

If there's a rule there, he's gonna break it.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

So that's just what's going to happen.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, really, you would always lead in. We're all men here. Then I knew what was coming, so I would turn and look away. It's not something you want to see.

[Missy Robertson]

I hate to bring this up, but in Hollywood, there's no shame or there's no change in rooms. And you get used to that because they'll. You just. You do some scenes that they will then depict as the next day. So you have to change clothes. You're out in the wood. There's nowhere to change clothes. Yeah, you just. I just change them. I mean, it took.

[Lisa Robertson]

I don't. So. Well, they're not sticking their hand down my shirt to put the microphone. I'm like, I'll be right back.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

So.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, I'm saying, we're men. We're out there. We do it. I'll have to do it today. You know, you bring a different.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm the same way. I mean, I just changed right over here.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, my whole.

[Jase Robertson]

I haven't done it on camera.

[Missy Robertson]

Shared this story before, but we did a commercial at the civic center, Me and For the. For the super bowl in a regional way. Because then I was watching the super bowl thinking, I'm fixed to be on a super bowl commercial. And it never showed up. And they paid me a substantial amount of money to do that. Me and Willie and sigh. Spent all day at the civic center. And the commercial was like 15 seconds. And we were there all day.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Missy Robertson]

It was mainly blue screen.

[Lisa Robertson]

We did play. Just not in our region.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah, not in our region. It was so disappointing, you know, but what I'm saying is, when I walked in to. There was no special room. And there was this Russian accent woman, big woman, older woman, and she handed me my wardrobe. Well, I was looking around, like, looking for a place to change because there were just people everywhere. There was no rooms because they had taken the civic center, like where you would, like, sit at a concert. And that was the studio, the set. There was nowhere to go. And she looked at me and she.

[Jase Robertson]

Went off with the pants. And I was in a Russian accent.

[Missy Robertson]

Oh, I was thinking, at least I have my underwear on. You know what I mean?

[Jase Robertson]

What if you've got uncle mando?

[Missy Robertson]

I turned around and squeamishly got down to my underwear and changed in front of people walking by. And I thought, I guess this is Hollywood. This is the hand of dealt here. They're paying me to do this. So that's what I did. But I don't know, it kind of changed me after that. I was like, no one cares here.

[Jase Robertson]

So you, you said that about looking for it. It reminded me. So I did a cameo in a movie that a guy had met. I can't remember where I met him initially. I think I met him in something with dad somewhere doing a movie or something. And so he was doing. He did his own movie and he's trying to get people like with high social media follows to just do little cameos in the movie. So I had this little small roll in this movie and it's called Roe v. Wade. So it was about pro life, which I'm all about. And so there's a scene. So I'm like one scene I'm in with other actors. I only have one lie. But I was so nervous about it, you know, but, but it, I pulled it off. But then there was a scene at the. That was going to be at the end of the movie where my character, the person I'm playing gets murdered because this is a real life story. And so it was a death scene. And I was so excited because it was like, I mean, you know, to get to be in a movie, but to get killed in a movie.

[Missy Robertson]

At what point did you realize you're not an actor and acting like you're dying?

[Jase Robertson]

When the. When I had to get with real actors and like say something. I was so nervous. I was so scared. But now the dying part was easy because it was just me out in the field.

[Missy Robertson]

I need to watch this somewhere.

[Jase Robertson]

This. Well, wait till you hear the whole story. So, so, so I get. So Carly's with me. She's my little acting coach, you know, and she went with me to this shoot because it was like two hours south of here. So those two filmed around Baton Rouge. And so they squib me is what they call it. So I had these blood packets under my shirt. And there's a guy there just off camera and he's got these little charges, you know. Of course they're like, do you have heart problems? You know. What does that mean? You know? Well, you know, it is a charge.

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[Jase Robertson]

So anyway, this guy shoots me. We do this scene, you know, I'm falling just right and all this stuff.

[Missy Robertson]

So were they coaching you on this?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, they tell it, tell you what to do and so. But it's like there's no lines or anything. Like this guy just walks up and shoots me. But, you know, the things go off, the blood goes everywhere. But he said, we only got two of these, so, like, we gotta nail this thing. But we did it. One take. So I was happy. Well, so then the guy. So the. I get the trailer of the movie, the movie's about to come out and I see it just, you know, trailers are like this, but I see the deaths. I see me get shot. So I'm so excited. I thought, oh, it made the movie because, you know, you know, movies are. And so we, we screen it at the church. So I get up and I'm telling about the movie and there's like 300 people at our church. They're going to watch this movie. And I'm like, no, you know, at the end, just be looking because there's something special. I set the whole thing up, you know, don't tell them I'm getting shot. So we watch the movie, and the scene is in the middle of the movie of my line. But we get to the end, and we're getting to the end, and then it ends and the credits are. And they never had the destiny. So then I kept thinking, well, I guess maybe they're going to do it like Dad's movie, where it just pops up somewhere. I'm just. I'm hoping now, because I've said, I've told people this is happening. I saw it in the trailer. Never happened.

[Missy Robertson]

Never made it. You never made the cut?

[Jase Robertson]

Never made the cut. And so I was like. I was so just then I got to do the walk of shame, back up to the church and say, well, you know, the destiny didn't materialize. You never know. And I was so embarrassed. And then. So I called the guy and he was doing another showing for that night. He said, yeah, he said, you know, we screened the things and it was in the movie I was so excited about. It was my Oliver Stone moment. He said, but it just. People were confused by. It didn't make sense to some audience. So they cut it. It was the last cut.

[Missy Robertson]

You died and no one ever knew.

[Jase Robertson]

No, it was the death that no one saw except for me. But anyway, so.

[Missy Robertson]

All right.

[Jase Robertson]

Glad you came down. Ashamed. We're done.

[Missy Robertson]

No.

[Jase Robertson]

So I don't know what made me. It made me think of that because you said that anticipating the thing that didn't happen. So that's what happened to me.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, miss And I want to announce we're fixed to do. I think more than one. We're going to do. We're going to do two events. Speaking of being nervous.

[Jase Robertson]

Jason's doing a lot of pronouncements now. Is he pronounced that he was never going to catch any more frogs.

[Missy Robertson]

We're going to. We're going to. We're going to do an event together. So I know that in the past, that didn't go too well.

[Jase Robertson]

The one time I heard.

[Lisa Robertson]

Did not.

[Jase Robertson]

The one time you told about the event, it was. Sounded like a disaster because he never let you talk. Is that what happened?

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, he.

[Jase Robertson]

Welcome to the Unashamed podcast.

[Lisa Robertson]

Finally got to talk. He went, no, that's not right. On stage in front of. Of thousands of people. And I wasn't even supposed to be there. It Was the beginning of Duck Dynasty. I booked the event for him. It's back when I was booking all the events for all. And we got there because I would travel with him, and the main pastor there said, well, you come up on stage, too. Everybody knows who you are now, too, so come up on stage. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come. I was like, you were like, come on, babe. It'll be great.

[Jase Robertson]

So you're being goaded in front of the audience.

[Lisa Robertson]

And it was fun. Four times at the same church Saturday night and three on Sunday. I did not come back on Sunday.

[Jase Robertson]

You weren't going to go up again?

[Lisa Robertson]

No.

[Missy Robertson]

She got caught up on her sleeve.

[Lisa Robertson]

So now Bonnie's like, okay, we have these, you know, two different people that want to have both of you speak. And I said, huh? No.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, babe, let me.

[Missy Robertson]

Let me throw myself under the bus. You know how you do something?

[Lisa Robertson]

This was, like, 13 years ago. This was the last time we spoke.

[Missy Robertson]

This was spontaneous. It happened. I did go. Shouldn't have. And then, you know, after you do something, because that was kind of crazy. It was just like, yeah, come on up. She comes up. And then after it was over, I was like, well, I think that went pretty good. And she wasn't speaking to me as we're going in the car. We had a car waiting for us. You know, get out of there. And she was just nothing. I was like, well, she just took that in stride. No big deal. She don't even want to talk about it. So then we got in the car. She waited till we got in the car, and then I was like, what do you think? And she said, can I talk now? It was like, oh, can I talk now? We felt.

[Jase Robertson]

Which I gave you her.

[Missy Robertson]

I was oblivious. I thought, oh, I thought that went pretty good. So based on that, where we're now.

[Jase Robertson]

Y' all have rebranded now. We.

[Missy Robertson]

We've gone through a lot of difficulty, especially the past couple of years, and so maybe we've. We've matured, and we said yes to do a joint event.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Missy Robertson]

And so. Missy, pull that up on your phone. Because I can't. I can't remember the details, but I do remember the name of the city, because I thought, oh, my. Missy and I, for the first time, are going to do an event together. And the name of the city is War. Saul. What could go wrong?

[Jase Robertson]

Is it. Is it.

[Missy Robertson]

Let's go marriage. Let's do a.

[Jase Robertson]

There's a Warsaw in Poland.

[Missy Robertson]

Family enrichment over two combustible People, Me and my wife.

[Jase Robertson]

It's not. It's not in Philadelphia, and it's in Warsaw.

[Lisa Robertson]

Indiana.

[Jase Robertson]

Indiana.

[Missy Robertson]

Warsaw, Indiana. But I'm sure the war in the saw has nothing to do with the city.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, it. It's at Warsaw Community Church. So if you're in that area, come for some type of a show. I don't know exactly what we're doing.

[Jase Robertson]

What's the date?

[Missy Robertson]

Give the date.

[Lisa Robertson]

It is October 21st.

[Jase Robertson]

Okay.

[Lisa Robertson]

That's right after Cole gets married. So we'll have some things to talk about then.

[Missy Robertson]

All right.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, because that's coming up. Which is part of the things I.

[Lisa Robertson]

Want you to do. Yeah. And so. But it is their. Their fellowship missions annual Night of Hope and Inspiration banquet. So go to fellowshipmissions.net sound like a commercial fellowship missions.

[Missy Robertson]

It is. It is a commercial. We'll be there. Come see us. And we hope that you will be filled with hope and inspiration.

[Lisa Robertson]

I think so. I think they will come a long way, babe.

[Missy Robertson]

Great.

[Jase Robertson]

We speak together a lot, but it. You know, we. We had to figure out how to do it well, because, you know, I mean, I preach sometimes with one of our guys here locally, and so I'm used to having a dynamic, another person on stage, but most people don't have that. You just do your own thing. And husband and wife can be tricky. It can be.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, I'm going to do. My goal is to do more listening than talking.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, that should be just.

[Jase Robertson]

That's biblical. That's biblical.

[Missy Robertson]

You have two ears. You have two ears. You have one mouth. Do the math. I have struggled with that since I came to Christ.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, it is really hard when you're trying to do that and you are trying to listen, but then you're also trying to think of what you want to say next because, you know, our faith. I'm not sure anyone in our family really prepares to the extent that I'm going to follow this script. We're totally unscripted. We know what we want to say. We know what's in our hearts. We kind of go through it. If you're like me, when I go to bed at night, I'm thinking of it. When I wake up, I'm thinking of it. How can I change it, make it better? And then the Holy Spirit comes in and sometimes completely changes everything. So I always want to be open to that.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

As well. And I think that's what makes it authentic and transparent and real to people.

[Jase Robertson]

So did you have. You have notes? I mean, do you. Do you take Notes when you speak.

[Lisa Robertson]

When I speak, I have. I have notes for sure, because I.

[Missy Robertson]

Think I don't have a problem now.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I don't do notes I don't have in my presentations, like, around the country, but I do notes every Sunday.

[Lisa Robertson]

Pretty much the same, Right, Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

Which is why I don't have them. But you all notice when I preach, I have detailed notes because I have a window of a message I want to get out.

[Lisa Robertson]

That's right.

[Jase Robertson]

It's the same for that.

[Missy Robertson]

You actually hit on where we're at in the Bible with John 14, because you said you brought up the Holy Spirit. And I think when you go verse by verse, which is encouraged by most biblical pastors, sometimes you kind of miss the forest for the trees. But John 14 all the way through 16, seems to me al, that Jesus is introducing that there's going to be this spirit or counselor, advocate.

[Jase Robertson]

And none of the other gospels deal with it, which is why it's such an important three chapters, because John goes into it so deeply. Like, I mean, the other ones heard Jesus talk about it, but nobody else dedicates that much time to the Holy Spirit as John did.

[Lisa Robertson]

Jesus tells his disciples so many times, I'm going somewhere where you cannot come, but I'm going to be sending someone in my place. And it's just. Even though they didn't fully understand it, man, it sure does help me to read it. You know, when I came in today and we were talking about, you know, what is the focus of this podcast today usually, you know, well, just life updates. You know, talk about your kids. Like, okay, I really can't right now because, you know, four out of five of I call my kids complicated already is that they're going through a lot of things right now, and they're in a transition period of each of these things that is just not resolved. These issues are not resolved. And so we're really leaning on communication with each other as a family and individual communication with the Lord to help guide us and to comfort us in some of these situations. And so when I was telling y', all, I can't really talk about, you know, certain things, and just going to have to trust us that they're hopefully going to be resolved and we will be able to at some point, even with Little Man. But Jace went, well, we're in John 14. And I put my glasses on and. Can I read it?

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God. Trust also in me. I'm good. I'm good.

[Jase Robertson]

Now we know why you're on the podcast.

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Missy Robertson]

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[Missy Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Missy Robertson]

I actually got complimented on these yesterday. I think they said you look like one of these new age pastors.

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Lisa Robertson]

What an amazing promise.

[Missy Robertson]

And you throw in even this. Was that yesterday that we met with that family?

[Lisa Robertson]

That was Saturday.

[Missy Robertson]

Oh, that was Saturday.

[Lisa Robertson]

I would love to talk about that, actually.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah, that was. This is really funny. I hope I can share this, because now that we're previewing how we're gonna do an event together, it was like maybe 4 o' clock or 5 o' clock one. And Missy had a friend over and we had a little man. And she comes in that house and is like, there's a family gonna be here in three minutes. In three minutes.

[Lisa Robertson]

Throwing clothes on.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Missy Robertson]

And I was like, what? What?

[Jase Robertson]

Cause we had talked about it a.

[Missy Robertson]

Day or two before.

[Lisa Robertson]

I forgot to remind you. And I forgot.

[Missy Robertson]

And she forgot. We forgot. And I mean, it's like she's dealing with this awkward moment of, now I have to get my other friend out of here. And we got little man, and they're going to be here. And, I mean, I think we pulled it off in three minutes.

[Lisa Robertson]

We did. I mean, we did. I just looked like I got out of the pool and put my sweats on. But. But I love to talk about this because, you know, I've talked about before how through all of these experiences, including Duck Dynasty, including having Mia and trying to find the best care for her, I cannot say no to God. I can't do it. Because even if I. Even if I don't want to do what I feel like he's leading me to do, how can I say no? He's been so, so good and just faithful through every circumstance, even when we cannot see a crack of light. And so when we started the Miami fund in 2014, it was mainly just for monetary reasons, because that was our motivation. We didn't have the money to pay for Mia's surgeries with the specialists that.

[Missy Robertson]

She needed, so we were offering that to other people. That's what. We weren't getting the money.

[Lisa Robertson]

No, no. We were offering it to others. And so now it's 11 years, 11 and a half years of this. And Bonnie has the numbers. But there's extraordinary. The families that we've helped monetarily and spiritually and emotionally. So when Bonnie calls or texts and says, there is a family local to you that just had a baby born with a cleft, can they come talk to you? And, you know, we're kind of in our own kind of bubble now, because we have to be. We can't just let anybody come over to our house. And, you know, and so I'm like, I don't want that to be a deterrent for helping people. And so they contacted us while Phil was really going through his hard times. And so we kept putting it off. And they came over Saturday with their precious little baby and his big sister, and they just. It's just amazing how I can look back and think how little I knew about this and how Much we know about it now. So we try to help encourage and give insight to what these cleft families are about to go through. Because it is not a one and done. There is hardly anybody who is a one and done. It's a tough journey.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah. And in their case was so unusual because they couldn't see that he had a cleft palate until 24 hours. He didn't even check. His lip is fine and most of his palate is fine. But back in the back, he has this clef. And of course, what's happened, because as they grow is where all this struggle happens. And so, yeah, we just. We, you know that now their words were. After a couple hours, I guess they stayed. They were like, we have learned more in these two hours. And of course, they've met with doctors and. But it's just when you're not with people who understand this, of course, we've had so many kids that we've helped, you know, and you're hearing all their stories and you're connecting all of them with each other, which I think has been the greatest surprise. And they felt that they now don't feel alone. And, you know, tears of joy. And of course, we gather around and prayed with them, and they asked us just question after question after question after question, which is just think about being a parent. What you're really afraid of is the unknown. But once you get with people who have gone through this, and of course, with our daughter, it was 16 surgeries.

[Lisa Robertson]

And they said she will have four when she was born. You will have four surgeries. Bop, bop, bop, bop. And it's like, you can't listen to any of that. You know, that's the hardest part, I think, that we learned. So if we.

[Jase Robertson]

Because everything is active and every child.

[Lisa Robertson]

Is different, all cleft means is there's a hole somewhere. And every child's whole is different, you know, so it's not just a textbook. This is what you will have. Even though they will tell every cleft parent, you will have this 100%. This is what's going to happen. No, no. And you're your child's best advocate.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Missy Robertson]

And you can tell them things that I think they needed to hear. It's like, because their first surgery's coming up, and I was like, it'll be the worst two days of your life. And, well, it scared them because they were like, well, is he. You know, what. What about him? I was like, oh, no, he's going to handle it way better than you. I'm saying it's the worst two days of your life.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Missy Robertson]

They're. They're resilient, but you're going to think, oh, this is absolutely the worst.

[Jase Robertson]

You know, which is so important for you guys to speak into that, though. It's like when Lisa had her surgery or breast cancer surgery, he said, it's going to be the shortest day for her, but the longest day for you. And he was right. Because you, as a parent, you have a whole other set of issues than your child has, and yet you've got to deal with that while you're helping them deal with their issues. And I do think, because Jason just. That had just happened when he came up to the house the other day to see Mom. And so he was telling me about it, I said, jason, I'm so glad y' all were able to do that, because there's still something powerful. You can be an advocate for something. And certainly because we have a platform. And so you guys have been able to do things at a big level that other people can't do, and that's a blessing. But there is still something when you get the opportunity to just be knee to knee with somebody and share those experiences, and at least I feel the same way. We had a few weeks back. We had a super busy week. I did like 11 podcasts in one week because we were doing the new stuff for Hillsdale and all that, and we were doing some marriage filming as well. So we just had this super tight, busy week, you know how we do. And you got all this stuff lined up, and the couple at church says, you know, we're doing our testimony Thursday night at re engaged. Can y' all come? Y' all been a big part of it. And I'm like, oh. And I said, well, I'll try. You know, I didn't. I didn't guarantee. And then this other young couple calls and says, you know, we're having problems. And the only night we could meet his Thursday. So it was the same night, and it was the night before. We were doing this huge, big thing. And I told Lisa, I was like, you know what? Like you said, I can't say no to God. And so we went. We heard that testimony. It was beautiful. We were so encouraged by it. And then we sat for two hours with this couple and we helped them. And then the next day, instead of being worn out and tired, which was what I was worried about, I was invigorated because the Holy Spirit had been active and working. And so I think that's what Happens when we're open to that and let him use us, we have that extra strength we didn't know. And so it's interesting, Missy, when this text that says, do not let your hearts be troubled. We made this point when we read that verse. It's the same Greek word that earlier Jesus. It says after he had said this in chapter 30:13, Jesus. Now, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified. I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. Same Greek word.

[Missy Robertson]

Al. My dad famously said that we're either duck hunting or we're getting ready to go duck hunting, which is where we're at now. And I've been training the young ewes how to be Duckman, so it's been quite the event.

[Jase Robertson]

Just since we've been sitting here, you've been getting messages and pictures coming from the property on the preparation for duck season. The conservation of the land. I love it.

[Missy Robertson]

Exactly.

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[Missy Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

So he's telling them right after he was troubled, same word about them, his betrayal. Because he's fixing to have to share that.

[Lisa Robertson]

And that's pretty deep. That's a deep trouble. That's not just feeling anxious about something. That is deep trouble if someone is about to betray you.

[Jase Robertson]

And then Jase looked up several other times, and Jesus was this troubled. Other times he was when Lazarus died. And so the idea was, we made the point that being trouble, or as you described it, having family members going through a season sometimes and several at the same time, is part of the human condition. And Jesus showed us that. In other words, it's not wrong. He wasn't saying, don't let your hearts be troubled in theirs. What are you doing? He just experienced it. He's just telling them, look, I promise you, it's going to have something at a personal level with you. And that's why when you're in the room with somebody, you're providing something because of your experiences. But what we're really saying is it's something bigger. You can get through this, you know, you can do this. And so I think that's why it's so important. And that's what Christianity does, so it can play itself out.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, when I looked at their little boy, who was just precious, they had him dressed up like little fishing shirt, like, he looked like a little mini man, you know, it was just the cutest little thing. And I remember Mia being that small and being so troubled when I looked at her, like, how are we going to do this when she's just a few months old? And Looking back now, 21, almost 22 years later, I don't want to go through that again. I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but I wouldn't change any of that because it made her who she is, and it made us who we are, too. So going through all of those troublesome times helps us to grow that, you know, Romans 5, 3, 5. That, you know, we do lean on our sufferings and rejoice because they make us a better person. And now I'm not scared of doing hard things. So when. When things come up, I don't run from them. I mean, I'd rather not do them. Nobody really likes doing hard things, but I can do them. And I have that confidence that comes from the Lord. And so I think that both. Jason, I can encourage others that, yes, you can do hard things, and it's not because of your demeanor, but it's because of what the Lord can do through.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, and sometimes you don't know what to say, but then sometimes you do know what to say, and that's why you're in that position.

[Missy Robertson]

I get intimidated, you know, of having to have these conversations because you're like, what are you going to say? You don't know what they're going to be like. But I always say, well, I have the Holy Spirit. And I mean, I'm trusting what he's saying here. I mean, when he gets to verse 15, he's like, if you love me, you'll obey what I command. Well, he's continually commanding them to be like me, follow my example. And when he gets to the end of John, he's like, as the Father sent me, I'm sending you. And there's always a gulp moment there. You're like, well, wait a minute. I mean, can you imagine? They're like, you want me to be like you?

[Lisa Robertson]

It's like a Moses moment. Like, I'm not qualified. I have a speech impediment. I'm not the right one. I'm shy. I'm an introvert or whatever it is. I'm not the right one. And God just keeps saying, oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah, I've got you right where I need you.

[Lisa Robertson]

Even though we don't know and don't trust ourselves, he trusts us. And what an amazing gift that is.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, it is. There's no doubt.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, then he says, you know, in verse 16, and I will ask the Father and he will give you another counselor. There's that word he keeps using as the Holy Spirit, which is only used five times, you know, four in John and one in First John two. To be with you forever. The spirit of truth, which. That forever jumped out at me. I mean, he's not just with you.

[Lisa Robertson]

He's not coming and going.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he's with you forever.

[Missy Robertson]

I mean, do we grasp that? I mean, including the bodily resurrection. I told Missy last night. I went in there and I was like, I just got a text from a sister who's been in the Lord a long time, and she knows her and I know her. I was like, she just asked me, are our bodies going to actually be raised from the dead? And if so, where is that in the Bible? And we were both kind of miffed.

[Jase Robertson]

I was like, don't miss that one.

[Missy Robertson]

I got these verses. I'll give you the whole.

[Lisa Robertson]

But it made me remember back to when we were young in our faith and we were like, the only ones talking about that. I remember when that was an epiphany. Like, we're not going to be spiritual floating around up in heaven somewhere. We're actually going to have our literal bodies. And so, you know, then it was the whole thing of we're going to be singing forever. And everybody's like, ugh. I'm like, yes, yes, we're going to sing forever.

[Jase Robertson]

That's the person who signs every email with Blessed sings. Right? You know.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, I told Missy what I sent. I mean, I sent the obvious verses like Romans 8:11. Yeah. 1 Corinthians 15. But that Romans 8:11 I wanted to read, it says you, if. If the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, which is what he's Promising here about giving you this spirit forever in John 14. But back to Romans 8:11. He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who lives in you. But then I put in there, I told Messiah Synotax. Then I got thinking about it and thought, oh, I just gave like the technical verses like this. And even later on in Romans 8, I think it's 23, he's like, we await through his spirit the redemption of our bodies. I mean it says that. But then I said, but do this. And it was a thought. Missy thought was good last night when I shared it with her, I said, if you go to First John 3:2, it says, you know, what we will be has not been made known yet. When he appears Jesus, we know that we will be like him. And so I said, why don't you go to all the gospels post resurrection and look at what Jesus new body was like. Because he flat out said, remember when they said you're a ghost? I think it's Luke 24. And he said, look at my hands and my feet. A ghost does not have flesh and bones.

[Lisa Robertson]

It is me.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah, it's me. And even in Acts 1, right before he leaves, it's like this same man whom you've seen go into heaven will return. Well, what's he still calling? To be a man you got to be a man. You're a man now, you're a new man. I said, but read all those verses and then you will at least get an idea of what your new body is going to be like, because it's going to be like him. But anyway, to make that point, it's like he's saying that he'll be with you forever, the spirit of truth. And you know, you'll get a new body. And then it says, I will not leave you as orphans. Verse 18, I will come to you. So it's like, does he mean the Holy Spirit? Which he did.

[Jase Robertson]

He did.

[Missy Robertson]

And so then later in the chapter when he says that again, don't be troubled. I think that's in verse 27, Peace, I leave with you, my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. I mean, he's declaring you children, he's given you his spirit. And I think in those troubled moments you just have to say, I have the Holy Spirit. Let's just see what happens.

[Jase Robertson]

That's exactly right. And you mentioned it, Missy, a minute ago, that a lot of people don't really focus on that aspect of it. And we talked about that when we were in this text that. Because they'll say, you'll look at be at a funeral and a preacher will say, well, you know, this isn't them anymore being in their body. And you're like, no, it's still them. It doesn't have the spirit. I mean, it hadn't been energized, but yeah, that's still them. That's important. What was made is important, which is what you get out of 1 Corinthians 15.

[Missy Robertson]

So to lead into our last segment, you had another spirit led moment and you went to Washington, D.C. and got to read a book at the Library of Congress.

[Lisa Robertson]

I did.

[Missy Robertson]

Did I get all that right?

[Lisa Robertson]

You did. Good job.

[Missy Robertson]

And because you said the same thing to me that you just said. You said I didn't want to say no to God. So I did that. And we wanted to have a segment and talk about what you read and who you were with.

[Jase Robertson]

And we have a guest that's here that is a big part of that as well. So we're going to take a break. When we come back from this break, we'll introduce our guest and we'll have Missy and and he tell that story. So we'll see in a minute.

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[Missy Robertson]

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[Jase Robertson]

Trin I love having Missy on the podcast because about every other time Jace gets intimidated when Missy comes on because she's a fact checker on all of his stories.

[Lisa Robertson]

And he's an embellisher.

[Jase Robertson]

He's an embellisher. And so, like, it makes him nervous, which I totally love. And so, like, I will egg it on. Like, we. We didn't go there, but I had a whole thing to get into about your cast iron skillet breaking his back and all that.

[Lisa Robertson]

Oh, please.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, you should have heard it for three.

[Lisa Robertson]

I finally, after the third day, I was like, I am done hearing about this.

[Jase Robertson]

I will say he. He said, because he said, don't throw me under the bus. Which he did throw you under the bus, but he did bring you out from under the bus because he did then brag about it was with a.

[Lisa Robertson]

Full pan of Homemad.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what did it. Yeah, exactly. The cooking brought you out from under the bus, which I was impressed because it sounded like something my mom would do, you know, to take the iron skillet all the way to Utah or wherever y' all went.

[Lisa Robertson]

I mean, hey, last time when we went to South Carolina, I brought the deep dish. I brought the deep cast iron skill.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Lisa Robertson]

Yeah. I said, so just be happy that I didn't bring that.

[Missy Robertson]

I was as pathetic because I was going to play golf and then I injured myself carrying her back because it.

[Jase Robertson]

Had a cast iron skillet in it.

[Missy Robertson]

It weighed 60. I had a golf bag with my treasure hunt equipment that weighed 44.

[Lisa Robertson]

Some of your clothes were in my suitcase.

[Missy Robertson]

Three shirts and a pair of shorts. That's one pound. Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I would suggest Y' all leave with this on.

[Lisa Robertson]

I also had seasonings and packet. You know, I brought Phil seasoning, and I brought the Nicaragua.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, the Dominican seasoning, babe.

[Missy Robertson]

You had appliances. She had hair dryers. And there was.

[Lisa Robertson]

I don't know what they're going to have. You gotta have that. And I am not an over packer.

[Missy Robertson]

These clod hoppers and all.

[Lisa Robertson]

I did not have six pair of shoes. I had six shoes, three pair.

[Jase Robertson]

Lisa does this to me, but not with the cooking stuff, but just with the clothes. And I'm like, well, babe? She said, well, I can't decide. I'll decide when I get there. And I was like, decide now. Like, that's me.

[Lisa Robertson]

I decide.

[Jase Robertson]

You're standing here in the closet. We're making decisions. Let's stick with it when you go. I said, we don't need multiple choices. When we go, that's just stuff we don't need.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, then I packed AK's car seat because Reading and Brighton, they had three kids with three car seats, you know, so we rented one. When we got there, they were bringing one for Francis the Duna. And I said, I'll bring a case. I'll just help you out. I want y' all to keep wanting to come. This is a big deal to fly cross country with kids.

[Jase Robertson]

It is with the kids. Yeah.

[Missy Robertson]

So is the visual. You know, you're. You're like, why is this bag so heavy? I mean, to me, it's like you open your truck and, you know somebody's put a small stove in the back. You know, you're like, what? I mean, it was a skillet.

[Lisa Robertson]

Okay. How good was the cornbread?

[Jase Robertson]

It's fantastic.

[Missy Robertson]

But then you're like, no wonder it's that heavy. There's a black iron skillet.

[Jase Robertson]

Welcome back to Undershave. I see Josh is already rolling. We were having a offline story we didn't get to about Ms. Shave.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, that came up.

[Lisa Robertson]

I need to defend myself.

[Jase Robertson]

He did throw you under the bus on the skillet, but he did pull you out. So it's like dad used to say to mom, he'd say, Ms. K, did you throw me under the bus? And she said, I sure did. And she said, but God pulled you out?

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, the cornbread pulled me out.

[Jase Robertson]

The cornbread pulled you out, yeah. So want to welcome Trent Talbot to the podcast. Welcome, Trent.

[Trent Talbot]

Thank you for having me.

[Jase Robertson]

Trent is the CEO of Brave Books, which you hear us talk about on the podcast. First of all, thank you for partnering with us. We love it. With a Lot of our partners and sponsors because we share such the same value as what you guys are doing. And the fact that Missy has done a book with you guys, Jeff and Jessica has as well, makes it even more special to the family. So just thank you for that.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Trent Talbot]

Well, the Robertson family is such a. Such a great, you know, great ambassador for Brave. You know, you guys just how honest, open, Christ centered you are as a family. Family first is. Is. Is. We're so happy to partner with you guys.

[Jase Robertson]

Well. And I love it. And I always say a lot of times when we're doing ads for you guys, that Brave is just another word for unashamed, you know, and it's one that kids can even get. So I love the concept. It's subtle.

[Missy Robertson]

Your books are. They're kids books, but it's like subtle. It seems like our nation kind of in the background, and the culture doesn't really come out and say that, but there's an island of hope and.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, there's culture. The vulture. So he's the bad guy of the story. One of them.

[Trent Talbot]

One of them.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, I got a text from one of the producers of Unashamed that said Trent from Brave Books wants to be on the podcast. I was like, okay, great, I'll be on there. I would love to. I love talking about the books. But why is he. How is he in contact with the producers at Mount Ashamed? And Jay said they're sponsors. I said, did you not know that?

[Missy Robertson]

Let's see. Hand me those books.

[Jase Robertson]

I have no. Jay says Vanna White. Every time we do that, I do.

[Missy Robertson]

For y' all that have watched the commercials. I'm over holding the books, doing the little hand.

[Jase Robertson]

He displays and does hand models.

[Lisa Robertson]

I'm so excited.

[Missy Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I feel like I did not know that. You did not know.

[Missy Robertson]

I feel like I'm part of the team here, babe.

[Lisa Robertson]

You are.

[Jase Robertson]

You are one of my lines. Missy is. I said, jason, you know intimately. One of the authors, you know, who is she?

[Lisa Robertson]

And just a recap. Trent was actually at our house. We were doing promos for my book because youe're My Family. And they left. They were there for a couple days. We're doing some videos and some advertising, marketing things, and. Cause my book was coming out in like three weeks. Weeks. And they left. And two hours later is when we got the phone call that AK had been born and signed over to me.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

And thought, what? What in the world? And I was doing these podcasts and interviews and all these stuff online about this book and I was like, this is crazy. And even for the next few weeks, it was able to tell the story of welcoming someone in our home that because Valor's adopted, that was not of our body, and being able to talk about unconditional love and not saying no to God.

[Missy Robertson]

Did you cry at any point?

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, don't get me started now, because we'll move on. But that's how our relationship started. And so I've let Trent and Zach kind of be up to date on our story the whole time, even in Washington. I was backstage updating Zach on where we are in our story with ak, you know, so. But I love what y' all are doing. I kind of invited myself to Washington. Oh, I did.

[Missy Robertson]

Well, what did y' all do in Washington?

[Lisa Robertson]

Well, here's what happens. Trent, they all came to a Faith, Family Freedom and set up a booth. And Zach, I was like, how's the company doing? What are y' all doing next? And I was just kind of quizzing him, and. And he said, the Department of Education has invited Brave Books to come and read some of our books at the Library of Congress. So I see you at the Library Day, which is Kirk's kind of deal. Kirk Cameron. And he said, yeah, we're trying to get a couple of more authors to come. And I went, pick me, pick me. I would be happy to. And so then y' all started working on it and invited me to come.

[Trent Talbot]

Yeah, it was an incredible event. We had. We had over 250 people show up at the Library of Congress.

[Jase Robertson]

Over.

[Trent Talbot]

Over, I think, 250 other story hours happening across the country. Over 10,000 people showing up at libraries across the country to promote wholesome story hours as opposed to some of the stories that you see elsewhere. And it was special. Michael Knowles was emceeing. It was just a lot of fun. Read some great books, and the kids had a blast.

[Lisa Robertson]

Yes, they did.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the thing that was so obviously so wonderful about this idea, when Missy Jay told me what Missy was doing, is in the past, you know, because Missy's been on the podcast talking about it, there have been some very controversial happenings of doing the books and libraries and protests or really people that work in the library treating you terrible. So the fact that to be invited in and to have something like that by our government. By the government. Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

Amazing, right?

[Trent Talbot]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Makes me feel better, I think a.

[Missy Robertson]

Lot better, if you hear, you know.

[Jase Robertson]

But it has to be gratifying to you, Tim, because, like. Like, you came up with this idea. I mean, you're not Just a CEO. You thought of the whole idea. And to now see that come into fruition, where more and more people get exposed to something good as opposed to just so much trash that's out there. I mean, it has to be gratifying, right? Yeah.

[Trent Talbot]

When I was addressing the crowd at the Library of Congress, saw those kids there, thought back to how it started three years ago. If you don't know the backstory of the Sea with the Library Day, it started with Kirk Cameron's first kids book. With us is a book on the fruits of the spirit. We were like, all right, let's do something. We got Kirk Cameron as author. Let's do something fun. And so we tried to do story hours in 52 libraries that had sponsored a drag queen story hour. And all of them shut us down. And we never expected that to happen, but they all said, no, we believe inclusivity here, so you can't come.

[Jase Robertson]

Okay, think about that oxymoron. Right?

[Missy Robertson]

Literally having books about what we just read in John 14, which is all over in John 14, those fruits of the spirit, if you know, joy in your hearts, hope, love, I mean, that's not.

[Lisa Robertson]

Welcome.

[Jase Robertson]

No.

[Lisa Robertson]

Welcome.

[Missy Robertson]

Yeah.

[Trent Talbot]

They all said no. And we, we partnered with the First Liberty Institute and, And fought back. We. We said, hey, this is a violation of our First Amendment. And they backed down. And so we went one by one to all of these libraries across the. Across the country and read Kirk's book and some others, and we had thousands of people show up, every single one of them. And then that started this whole movement of like, hey, let's take our libraries back back. You know, let's take some of these public spaces back and we turn it into a day, you know, a Saturday in August. And then to go from being excluded from all these libraries to now invited to the Library of Congress and, and have hundreds and hundreds of. Of story hours happening across the country is really cool because I, you know, that, that whole story hour thing, I think in some ways was a wake up call to a lot of people that, man, we're losing this country.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Trent Talbot]

And we need to do something. And then to see, you know, Brave Books and Kirk fight back and win, ultimately win, like they back down. We stormed their libraries with thousands of people. It sort of. I think it was, it was, you know, I don't know. I think it did play a small role in us sort of making this comeback and starting to have some wins.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, no doubt. I mean, I think it's boldness and to, To. To your book Title to your company title. It's brave because. Because we seceded enough territory to the evil one. And look, that's exactly what it is. So you're inclusive enough to have 52 accounts of drag Queen or whatever. But we can't just talk about some of the basic tenets that make life better. I mean, even outside of the biblical idea, just the idea. Couldn't we use a little more love, joy, and peace? I know I'm sounding like dad, but I mean, that's exactly. Who couldn't use some more of that.

[Missy Robertson]

But I really think that's the church's role, is to speak truth to power. That is the example Jesus laid down for us. And so I'm. I appreciate y' all taking up this fight for us and for.

[Jase Robertson]

So you got to read. You got to read.

[Lisa Robertson]

I'm real excited about it because sometimes when I know what's happening or I see the schedule and again, open to the Holy Spirit, I'm standing backstage and I'm hearing Kirk, who's kind of introducing how it all got started, and the foundations of our country, you know, is based on biblical values. And. And I was like, I'm fixing. I told Bonnie. I was like, go get my Bible. Grab my Bible.

[Jase Robertson]

Uh.

[Missy Robertson]

Oh, I've seen this love before, because.

[Lisa Robertson]

I wasn't really planning on it. You know, this is. Again, I said, this is the mirror image of what God did for us.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Lisa Robertson]

And so I always love to, you know, infer that and talk about Jesus and what he did for us and unconditional love and forgiveness, and this book is just so amazing with that. But I'm at the Library of Congress being invited by the United States government. I'm fixing to read the Bible. I'm going to read the Bible on stage. And. And it was welcomed the ultimate brave book. Absolutely. You know, so, you know, anytime that we can, of course, use that opportunity, we do. But just to be able to not be. Have a fear or any anxiety of being booed or hissed at or any. Like, I heard amens from the parents in the audience, you know, about Jesus, and. And, oh, yeah, you know, and they were all speaking out and just so encouraging that here we are on Capitol Hill, and there's no protesters outside, there are no rioters. You know, they kept it under wraps for the most part. The director for the center of Faith was there, and she's amazing. She's really awesome, and she was so excited about this, but she said President Trump literally took that under and put it under the White House. The center of Faith. Faith. And said it was center of Faith and Neighborhood Partnerships or something like that was the name of the department underneath the Department of Education. And she told me President Trump said, drop the last part. Keep it center for Faith. And she said, okay. And then she. She put this together, which I think was amazing about who is running our country right now.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. And I think you're right. And jc, Even Mitch on the podcast that you guys talking about, even the. What's going on there now with the Guard being there and to try to clean up the city and make it a safer, better place. And you felt it, right?

[Lisa Robertson]

Oh, my goodness. You know, Karina lives there. Our daughter lives there. And so when we first moved her in, we were avoiding certain places, and, you know, Washington park was full of homeless people, and we were avoiding the loud, crazy drug addict on the street. You know, I'm thinking, I'm leaving my daughter here.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Lisa Robertson]

This past weekend, it was beautiful and clean, and there were little pockets of the National Guard. They were not overwhelming. They were under trees, just standing there. And every time we passed, I would say, thank you for your service. And they were so appreciative and grateful. Have a great weekend, ma'. Am. It was a wonderful, beautiful weekend. It really was.

[Jase Robertson]

I love it. Because Trump was talking about recently, he said, grass, we're going to go grass again. I mean, who knows more about grass than me? I got golf courses all over the world. We're going to go grass in our parks again. I was like, I don't think Trump would do that. All right, so we're out of time. But, Trent, thank you so much for what you guys do, for what you do for the podcast, but what you're doing for America, because you're right, the battle doesn't end. I mean, it's just. It's evil and good is the two things that are at battle here. And we have to be consistent on the good. We're not saying that people do what they're going to do. It's a free country. But we at least need the space to tell you something bad. And I think that's what you guys are doing. I love it. It's for kids, too.

[Lisa Robertson]

Can you tell us, like, where. Where we can find the books and subscribe? Because it's a subscription. You get one a month, and they just keep coming.

[Trent Talbot]

Yeah. Bravebooks.com if you go Braybooks.com Unashamed, I think you get your book and Jeff and Justice, but for free when you subscribe.

[Jase Robertson]

So check that out.

[Missy Robertson]

It's like Grace, babe, it's free.

[Lisa Robertson]

It's free.

[Jase Robertson]

But thank you, Trent. Thank you for coming on Missy. It's always good to have you on and appreciate your perspectives today as well. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.