Ep 1157 | Jase Gets Chased by Angry City Workers with a Rake & Jesus’ Call to Walk in the Light

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1157 | Jase Gets Chased by Angry City Workers with a Rake & Jesus’ Call to Walk in the Light
Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Al, Jase, Zach

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Overview of Main Theme

This episode of Unashamed focuses on the intersection of faith, everyday stories, and the deep biblical concepts of walking in the light and the transformative work of the Holy Spirit. The Robertsons share humorous and meaningful family anecdotes—including Jase’s infamous chicken saga and an incident with angry city workers—before diving into discussions on the Gospel of John, the Holy Spirit’s role in the Christian's life, and the biblical call to live authentically as children of light. The episode balances laughter, practical application, and scriptural insight to invite listeners into a God-centered perspective on life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fan Interactions and the Chicken Story Revisited (01:06–04:49)

• The episode opens with discussion about a listener from Missouri who enjoyed Jase's "chicken thing," which had been divisive among fans.
• Notable Quote:
  • “She was the first listener who said...I really like that, that chicken.”—Jase (01:54)
• The group jokes about audience comments, with Zach referencing Phil’s tendency to redirect to the Bible.
• Al shares a family story: their father’s reaction to being woken by crowing roosters, resulting in all the roosters being killed and eaten.
• Jase humorously ties the event to Genesis 9: “God said, anything that walks, crawls, flies, or swims, they will be food for you.” (03:46)

2. Online Critique and Internet Culture (04:19–05:44)

• Jase reflects on online criticism, likening message board detractors to “throwing rocks” from a distance.
• They transition to discussing how personal growth and struggle are portrayed in Romans 7—“the realm of the flesh”—and the struggle to live as a new creation (II Cor 5).

3. Favorite Bible Verses and Humorous Misapplication (05:44–09:27)

• Jase shares Hebrews 13:8 as his favorite verse (“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today...”), but jokes about sometimes wanting to use John 13:27 (“What you are about to do, do quickly.”) in awkward moments.
• Al tells a story of mistakenly signing John 7:47 ("Did he deceive you as well?") as his favorite verse.
• The hosts riff on using these verses in non-spiritual situations, especially in sports contexts ("If you’re bad, do it quickly"—golf stories).

4. Jase Gets Chased by City Workers with a Rake (10:03–12:55)

• Memorable Story: Al recounts Jase's golf shot gone wrong, hitting a city worker, leading to the worker throwing a rake at Jase.
  • “He threw his rake at me.”—Jase (11:00)
• Jase explains his approach, recalling Phil’s example: meeting hostility with unexpected kindness, derived from biblical principles (“[Phil] used to give fish to the people who stole them”).

5. Lessons from Phil Robertson: Maturity and Forgiveness (12:55–15:20)

• The group reflects on Phil’s growth from anger to extending generosity to those who wronged him, paralleling the journey from reacting “by the flesh” to acting out of the Spirit.

6. Connecting Humor, Suffering, and Resurrection Hope (16:25–18:23)

• They circle back to lighter banter about Jase’s tailbone injury, highlighting how even small sufferings can point to larger spiritual truths and the ever-present hope of resurrection.

7. Finding God in the Ordinary: Chickens, Creation, and Jesus’ Humanity (18:23–19:29)

• Al and Jase discuss the spiritual value of everyday moments—like “staring at chickens”—and wonder about Jesus experiencing human creation from the Creator’s point of view.

8. Transition to Deep Scriptural Study: John 14, the Holy Spirit, and Old Testament Parallels (19:29–26:39)

• They shift into Bible study, especially John 14–17’s introduction of the Holy Spirit.
• Al draws connections between Old Testament foreshadowing (e.g., Joshua’s “witness rock”) and Christ as the ultimate “stone” or “rock” (Ephesians 2, cornerstone imagery).
  • “How can a rock be a witness? Well, if the rock is Jesus...”—Al (26:39)

9. Creation, Redemption, and Anticipation (26:50–28:19)

• Zach references Romans 8:19 (“creation waits eagerly for the sons of God to be revealed”), discussing how redemption extends beyond personal salvation to all creation.

10. Light, Darkness, and the Call to Walk in Truth (28:19–31:39)

• Jase highlights Jesus’ call to “walk in the light” (John 12:35–36), explaining how scriptural references to light and darkness point to self-awareness and exposure brought by the Holy Spirit.
  • “Put your trust in the light while you have it so that you may become...children of light.”—Jase (29:14)

11. The Holy Spirit’s Indwelling and the Real “House of God” (31:39–34:26)

• Discussion centers on the transition from viewing God’s “house” as a building to understanding the believer as the true Temple, indwelt by the Spirit (John 14:17, 1 Corinthians 6).

12. Redefining Eternal Life (36:27–39:14)

• Zach points to John 17:3 as Jesus’ own definition of eternal life: intimate knowledge of God and Christ, not merely an afterlife destination.
  • “This is eternal life: to know the one true God and Jesus Christ, the Son whom He sent.”—Zach (36:49)
• The Spirit’s primary role is revelation—to teach, remind, and reveal the reality of life in Christ.

13. Now, Not Yet: Living with the Spirit in the “Already/Not Yet” (43:06–46:32)

• Zach explains the “now and not yet” nature of Christian existence: indwelt by the Spirit now, fully consummated only at Christ’s return, referencing Philippians 2’s description of every tongue confessing Christ at the end.

14. Purpose and Vocation: Why Are We Given the Spirit? (48:50–51:27)

• Jase outlines that the Holy Spirit prepares and commissions believers for their mission—living and spreading the Gospel—not just for personal sanctification.

15. Practical Application: The Spirit’s Work Against Sin (51:27–54:50)

• Zach describes the Spirit’s work as revealing the emptiness of sin—not only convicting, but helping us “see the end” of destructive choices, reframing victory as living out the truth the Spirit reveals.
  • “The Spirit is going to tell you, no, that’s not true...that will not fulfill you.”—Zach (53:15)

16. Closing Reflections: New Creation and No Condemnation (54:50–56:26)

• Jase ties together the themes by quoting Romans 8:1 (“no condemnation for those in Christ”), emphasizing the shift from law and flesh to life in the Spirit and becoming a new creation.
  • “Jesus became part of this fleshly realm to condemn...sin itself in the flesh. He took that away.”—Jase (55:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am unashamed. What about you?” —Jase’s signature opening (01:01)
• “He killed every rooster. He killed them all...And we ate them.”—Al (03:26)
• “When you don’t know what you’re doing, do it quickly.”—Jase referencing John 13:27 (06:47)
• “He threw his rake at me.”—Jase, recounting the golf incident (11:00)
• “The weapons we fight with are not of the world. Which by the way, the Greek word for that is flesh.”—Jase (15:07)
• “Put your trust in the light while you have it so that you may become...children of light.”—Jase (29:14)
• “How can a rock be a witness? Well, if the rock is Jesus, I mean...” —Al (26:40)
• “This is eternal life: to know the one true God and Jesus Christ, the Son whom he sent.” —Zach (36:49)
• “The Spirit is going to tell you, no, that’s not true...that will not fulfill you.”—Zach (53:15)
• “Jesus became part of this fleshly realm to condemn...sin itself in the flesh. He took that away.”—Jase (55:06)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• 01:01 – Jase’s “I am unashamed” catchphrase
• 03:26 – The rooster story and reflections on eating meat
• 06:47 – Humorous use of John 13:27
• 10:03 – Jase hits a city worker with a golf ball, gets chased with a rake
• 11:00 – “He threw his rake at me.”
• 15:07 – Spiritual weapons and the “flesh” discussion
• 18:23 – Chickens as inspiration for spiritual reflection
• 26:39 – Rocks as biblical witnesses and Christ as the cornerstone
• 29:14 – Call to become “children of light”
• 36:49 – John 17:3, eternal life as knowing God
• 43:37 – The “now and not yet” discussion of spiritual reality
• 48:50 – The Spirit’s vocational purpose (“As the Father sent me, I am sending you”)
• 53:15 – The Holy Spirit exposes the lies of sin
• 55:06 – Christ condemns sin in the flesh, making way for new creations

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Style & Tone

The conversation is genuine, relatable, and filled with humor. The Robertsons’ Southern storytelling brings levity and approachability to deep theological truths. Jase’s wit and self-depreciation balance Al’s pastoral insight and Zach’s theological depth, creating a dynamic that is both accessible and substantive.

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For Listeners

This episode is perfect for anyone curious about the Holy Spirit’s role in everyday life, the meaning of walking in the light, and how even the most ordinary farm stories can serve as parables about God’s redemptive plans. Insightful for both new believers and mature Christians, it encourages listeners to see their own lives as living temples and to engage in the ongoing, Spirit-fueled calling to be witnesses for Christ.

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Transcript

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[Jace]

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[Al]

Welcome back to Unashamed. I always like it when we have a guest that's coming through. We got Megan today that's watching the podcast. She's from Missouri and it reminded me because we've been talking about it, she lives near Columbia, which is at least. I have an event 9-12-13 in Fulton, Missouri, which is not too far from you, Megan, and it's the Oikos Christian Church. We're doing a marriage event on that weekend. So if you're in that area, I know you like some. Every event I go to, I meet someone that heard me mention that here and you were near there. So hopefully I hopefully will meet someone new there. Jace, she also loved your chicken thing recently. And look, because I know you've gotten a lot of grief on the chicken thing. Not all our listeners, let's be clear.

[Jace]

She was the first listener who said. And it was first thing, first thing she said, I really like that. That chicken.

[Zach]

Well, she's one of the few because everything I read was like.

[Al]

Because Zach reads the comments. Well, yeah, the best I have to say, I normally pile on with Jays, I mean, against Jace because, you know, that's my role. But in this case, I would defend Jay's because I was fascinated by the chicken.

[Zach]

Well, the best comment was somebody said where I wish Phil was here, he would. He would shut this down and be like, why aren't we in the Bible? So they. They channeled. They channeled the inner fill to rebuke.

[Al]

And I didn't tell this story on the podcast. But there was a story one time we used to have some chickens that. Because we got the eggs and we had some roosters there. And I don't know what happened one day, but in the middle of the day.

[Jace]

Careful, Al. I know where you're going.

[Al]

Well, I'm just going to tell it, and y' all can decide whether we leave it in or not. But there were. The roosters started crowing in the afternoon for some reason, because they. They. You know, we studied the Bible. Jays went through the whole thing. That was.

[Jace]

You know what I was thinking when they were cr.

[Al]

What?

[Jace]

Don't deny Jesus.

[Al]

Well, what happened was dad, as you know, told us, never wake me up unless Leonard Skynyrd or the President called. And so that was what we went by. Well, the roosters didn't get the memo. They woke him up from his nap and he went into a rage, and he.

[Jace]

I don't think he was angry. There was a problem.

[Al]

He killed every rooster. He killed them all. He chopped their heads off.

[Jace]

And none of them were injured except the ones we ate that night.

[Al]

And we ate them.

[Zach]

They weren't injured. They were just decapitated.

[Al]

They were decapitated?

[Zach]

Yeah. If you don't count decapitation as an injury, then none of them.

[Al]

They crowed no more. They crowed no more. But we did have a delicious.

[Zach]

She had fried chicken.

[Jace]

I believe he quoted in his meal preparation remarks Genesis 9, which said that God said, anything that walks, crawls, flies, or swims, they will be food for you.

[Al]

That's right.

[Jace]

Which was the birthplace of honey.

[Al]

Well, if you got something against eating chicken. Come on. I mean, that's like Chick fil A's. I think they're serving a lot of chicken. Somebody's cutting the heads off those chickens. Just so you know, they're not coming, like, in the package.

[Jace]

I think. Number one, when I used to read message boards back before, I put away childish things. You know, you're a big tough guy or a tough woman when you're on your couch in the middle of the night and just throwing rocks.

[Zach]

Throwing haymakers.

[Jace]

Haymakers, yeah. And so, you know what's crazy is the old man. I mean, because we're. I think you had in your notes, you wanted to get to Romans 7:7, which is.

[Al]

I do.

[Jace]

Speaking of difficult passages. Yeah. It's like you really see this inward battle because we're in a world what I'm. I'm. I refer to as the realm of the flesh, because that is exactly how Paul described it in the book of Romans. And then you become a new creation, which is second Corinthians 5.

[Al]

Oh, that's a good one. Oh, yeah.

[Jace]

But you have this struggle. So our guest, she asked me what my favorite Bible verse. But after the whole thing about the chickens, because we. I got back on it. I'm not gonna do it again. Not because there's been so much disdain for that, but just the old man. You know, when you ask me what my favorite Bible verse is, there are certain occasions, of course. I gave Hebrews 13:8. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today.

[Al]

It's a classic.

[Jace]

It's a verse that you can ponder for the rest of your life.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Jace]

And glad you're in good standing with him. You know, you've surrendered to him. But a part of me, just every once in a while when I have these kind of awkward conversations, I want to put down John 13:27. Have you ever given that as your favorite verse?

[Al]

I have not. But I did put down John 7:47 one time accidentally, which said, did he deceive you as well? Retorted the Pharisees. I signed that in several verses.

[Jace]

This one is along that lines. Because as soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him and Jesus told him, what you are about to do, do it quickly.

[Al]

You quoted that in an ad recently.

[Jace]

Well, my point is, when you don't know what you're doing, do it quickly.

[Al]

Yep.

[Jace]

So that's what I'm saying. These people are putting some of these messages on the boards. At least I used to say that.

[Al]

About my golf game.

[Jace]

Oh, wow. I have used that.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

I don't like slow playing golfers who are bad.

[Al]

Yeah. If you're bad, do it quickly. I mean, get on through. Get up, pick your ball up the next hole. I mean, look out to watch somebody swing 20 times at a golf ball for everybody else, it's like trying to play golf. It's miserable.

[Jace]

The move on to use. To use an illustration, we used to play golf with a pastor that used to lead the youth group. I don't want to mention any names, but he's from Pocahontas, Arkansas, and he would get up there with a golf ball.

[Al]

He sings through his nose for you who are listening.

[Jace]

And he, he. He always did the same thing. He would turn to us, the people which you're not supposed to stand right behind because it's considered bad golf etiquette. And he would say, help. Watch this for. Help me watch this for my eyes, My eyes.

[Al]

Help me watch this boy.

[Jace]

And I always thought that was unusual. I'm like, all right, this is how it started. And then all of a sudden, he started doing this weird body flex. He'd go from his heels to his toes and look, even though it was probably just a few seconds, it seemed like an eternity. And he would do all this after he's asked us to watch it. And, I mean, look, then he does a few waggles. And I'm not saying that he had a body that was built not for golf, but he had a body not built for golf. And then he turns, and I'm telling you, over half the time he would top it.

[Al]

He'd say, have me watch this, boys. And I'd say, it's just. It's right there, man. It's right there. It didn't get off the Tebow.

[Jace]

And so one day, I forgot about this, quoted the verse, and it offended him. I said, mike, I'm gonna give you some advice. Because he thought I was fixed to help his golf swing.

[Al]

This is my preaching partner and Jason's old euthanist.

[Jace]

And I said, when you don't know what you're doing, do it quickly. John 13. And so about a week later, he said, you know, that was about Judas betraying the Lord.

[Al]

He actually knew what the verse.

[Jace]

I said, even Jesus on his betrayer picked out a good quality about it. Just do it because you don't know what you're doing. Do it in a hurry. Hurry up.

[Al]

We used to play back then on this little. It's a goat ranch, is what I call it now, little golf course that we'd probably never play on now because it was all we could afford. It was cheap, remember?

[Jace]

Yeah.

[Al]

And we were all. We were all in ministry.

[Jace]

I think it was $4.

[Al]

It was like, 4 bucks. And so I'll never forget one of my favorite things that happened. It was not good, but it's like it burns in my memory. There was a hole, and there's a street to the left of the hole, and of course, that's out of bounds, but there's no fence or anything. And so back then, Jay's was playing a big old cut, which is a slice.

[Jace]

Look, I've noticed our viewers, they don't like chicken stores.

[Al]

I know.

[Jace]

They don't like golf.

[Al]

I know here we're doing the same thing. But I got to tell this because it was so funny. I don't think I've ever told on the podcast, Jay's hit this big old cut. And so we're watching it, and then all of a sudden, we went. We look up because there's four city workers standing around a manhole on the street and the ball is headed right for him.

[Jace]

And it didn't hit them in flight. It actually hit the road right in front of them and ricocheted. And we saw one of them go, just go down.

[Al]

And it was terrible because, like, we're. Jason's trying to holler, but we just didn't see it until it happened. And Jace goes over.

[Jace]

I hollered after it hit him.

[Al]

Yeah, I know.

[Jace]

I went far. And I think they thought four because they weren't golfers.

[Al]

Right.

[Jace]

They thought I was saying, yeah, there was four of you.

[Al]

Four of you. And I got. I got one because they were. This guy was hot. Like when Jason.

[Jace]

Oh, he threw his rake at me.

[Zach]

Let me channel Enter Phil. So I think we need to get into the Bible.

[Jace]

No, I agree.

[Al]

But Al, that guy wanted to fight Jay's.

[Jace]

He did.

[Zach]

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[Al]

And Jace was like, dude. I mean, he was. You were apologetic, you were trying. We were all preachers.

[Jace]

But I did grab a club once. He threw the rake at me. He threw a rake because I. Phil taught me that. You know, he used to give fish to the people who stole them.

[Al]

Right.

[Jace]

And he.

[Al]

And you have been beaten for your faith because you've told that story.

[Jace]

I have. I took a beating for the Lord. And look, turned out to be a good brother. And I'm glad I did it. But.

[Al]

But what if that guy listens to our podcast now and he's like, I'm not. I'm talking about the street worker. He could be a listener.

[Jace]

I don't know. But Phil, it was so, you know, bewildering, but I think powerful that I saw his maturity grow with people stealing the fish. Because, I mean, he was hot about it. I mean, he's like, you're taking food off my kids table. I mean, so yeah, that's how we started off with the shotgun.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jace]

And he would just bum rush. I mean, look, the fear. Just imagine you're in a boat and you just stole a net. And here comes my dad.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Six, four, 200 pounds.

[Al]

He was. He was the college athlete back in this beard. Yeah.

[Jace]

Had. Hadn't taken a shower in days. And he comes up with that shotgun. Is like, what are you doing stealing my fish? He went from that. So then he would. Would carry the Bible and the gun, which he thought would. This was more an act of peace. That just made it worse because then they're like, he's crazy because people.

[Al]

I mean, the one time dad always loved that look because he'd remember, he kept trying to do it for all his book covers of him like holding an AR and the Bible. And I said, dad, it makes you very frightening. I know you're seeing it as the sort. The spirit and all that, but it just scares people.

[Jace]

But then his last act was to. To then give them the fish and an invitation with that worst.

[Al]

And that stopped the stealing.

[Jace]

But he still had the gun. And Which I don't blame him for that. I mean, I know the weapons we fight with are not of the world. Which by the way, the Greek word for that is flesh.

[Al]

Here we go. No, I mean, I know.

[Jace]

Yeah. You know, I went down that, that, that chicken. Are we gonna call it a chicken coop? Chicken coop.

[Al]

The chicken coop.

[Jace]

But I'll get off the chicken But I think the point was.

[Al]

I'm glad we brought it back up. I thought it was good.

[Jace]

Well, I think the point was missed. I just think that there's some power in an intelligent designer that.

[Al]

Well, you did it. You did it with humor, which I appreciated.

[Jace]

It was intended to be somewhat humorous.

[Al]

But it didn't land with everybody. That's what happens with humor. It doesn't land with everybody.

[Jace]

I have a saying that when I do speeches all around the country or all around the world, I guess, and when I say something intended for comedy reasons and no one laughs, I'll say, look, next time, put your hands up over your head. I do this all the time. Look, they're not understanding. I said do this. I was like, go ahead and try it. So maybe you'll catch what I was saying, because it went over.

[Al]

And then they're offended because you're saying they're stupid. Yep, yep, I get it. Well, Jace, we've already established it's unintentionally funny. All right, before we get to the text, so your tailbone. I was. I meant to ask you about that, because you brought that up in a previous.

[Jace]

Is this pick on Jason?

[Al]

Well, I'm just saying. You had an accident. You seem to be moving better. So are you healed now? Are you. Are you back to.

[Jace]

I feel the best I've felt since it happened.

[Al]

Okay.

[Jace]

This day, I still have a.

[Al]

Tell that story.

[Jace]

Yeah, but it just shows you that the resurrection looms large. Things happen. Suffering is a part of life. Yeah, in this world. But it's embarrassing that one of the worst injuries I ever had was to my rear end. I just fell on a rock and I've been walking with a limp for days.

[Al]

And it is. And then I've been laughing about it because I guess I'm rejoicing your calamity. Let Joe's friends. But no, I am glad you're better, Joe.

[Jace]

But it has inspired me to do more active things. I've been swimming. I've been trying to do anything to get better.

[Al]

And Missy was saying your praises when she was on the last podcast about how you're keeping yourself in shape. Yeah, we talked about that being a high testosterone. Zach, you weren't on that episode.

[Jace]

Well, he was here. He just never.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Al]

Oh, that's right, he was. He was.

[Jace]

Actually did a whole podcast with us, and he never said anything, so that was.

[Al]

No, I was there because I look up and see it.

[Zach]

I was there for the beginning. I left because I had a little.

[Al]

Oh, that's Right.

[Jace]

Don't apologize for that. I found it.

[Al]

You know, sometimes we just look up, for those of you that don't know. So Zach's on a monitor here, and we look up and he's just gone. Jason, like.

[Zach]

Well, only when Jace goes on a 30 minute rant about chickens and I might. I might. I might kind of just back out on.

[Jace]

You're leaving out one part that covered the span of two podcasts.

[Al]

It did, yeah.

[Jace]

Oh, boy. I got a lot of ridicule for that. So my apologies. Tried to make a point, but I thought it was. And the point was I. I want you to never look at a chicken the same.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Again.

[Al]

Which I got it. And the reason I loved it is because I've read that verse a thousand times. I've taught it. I've never thought about it from this perspective of a chicken, which. You brought that to mind, which I thought was pretty good.

[Jace]

Yeah. I think it's cool that the Creator got to experience from our perspective all these little things in life. You know, I've had some of my best thoughts. Staring at chickens, right?

[Al]

Well, yes. Like, and you wonder, somebody asked me recently, they said, you think when, like, Jesus would. Would be walking on a sandy beach. I mean, he's thinking back to the concept of that he created that sandy. I mean, like, what was he thinking about in terms of experiencing creation as a human that he created because he was there.

[Jace]

The problem, the failure to connect is, is everybody thinks you have to do the same thing to have some kind of, you know, climb a mountain and I'll just go in the backyard and stare at some chickens.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

I'm telling you, I'm having a moment here. This is awesome.

[Al]

I will say this. Tony, our brother in law, just painted a painting that I found fascinating. Fascinating that. Where Jesus is walking on the water and I don't know how he did this. Artists, I guess they have weird ways, but it. Like you're. It's like you're looking from the perspective of being under the water and you're looking up and you see the bottoms of Jesus feet and then his hand is reaching down into the water. So it's like if Peter. Like, if you could look at that scene where Peter's, like sinking and looking up and Jesus is above him. It's that scene. And I. It's just. It's fascinating. I mean, who would think like that except an artist? But it's beautiful. If you want to check it out, check out Tony's stuff. Tony Thomas. All right, so back to John 14 last podcast we literally ran it dry right up to the end looking at sort of a 30,000 foot view of John 14:16 and the reason we're doing that is because this text, as we've been pointing out, is applied in a lot of different ways that probably wasn't meant to be applied to. Is that a fair way to put it?

[Jace]

I think so.

[Al]

But that the idea is about the power of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus or I should say John focus on Jesus. Comments I did think it was one thing interesting that NT Wright brought up when I was reading his commentary on this is he wondered when this happened and I hadn't thought about it, but he said I wondered if this because if you look back on the night narrative of what happened once they left this, him washing their feet in the Passover, they went to the garden is what happens on that night. He said he wondered if this conversation happened along the way and once they got there, which I never had thought about it, but he said it could have just been any time and then John just included it here. But I did find that fascinating to think that if that was one of the last things he told them was this because it was coming well and.

[Jace]

I think when you read the other gospels, the other three, like at the washing of the feet and the supper, they're arguing about who's going to be the greatest. And so I think this was demoralizing, that he's fixed to take over the world and they're going to be a part of it and he's washing their feet and he's talking about dying and somebody betraying them, somebody disowning them. I think that's why he led with do not let your hearts be troubled. Oh, it's trouble. It's like you're not going to be able to conquer anything. I really think that was the problem because everybody one of the top 10 questions I get out in public is why didn't they? I don't understand why they didn't get it. And I'm like, you wouldn't have got it either. It's just backwards of thinking, oh I'm bringing in a kingdom, I'm going to be king, we're going to take over. And meanwhile your nation is being oppressed by another government who seems to be the greatest wonder the world has ever known, the Roman government. And all of a sudden you're going to be king and you're riding in on a donkey, you're watching disciples, you know their feet. It just doesn't seem where, where the weapons, tanks, bombs, whatever. I mean, what. How are we going to use your skill set to take over the world? Because you definitely have a skill set. Yeah, you can produce food, you know, so we don't have to worry about being starved out. I think they were looking at it from a military standpoint, and it's just hard to get off that, you know.

[Zach]

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[Al]

What I love about it is what we've been doing in John primarily is looking back so much at the Old Testament history of how everything points to this moment. I love you said that about the Roman Empire, because in Daniel, it's very clear this was going to happen then.

[Jace]

Oh, yeah.

[Al]

And so there should have been more people that got it, that didn't, that missed it just because they had missed the narrative, which is why we're trying to focus in so much on it. I preached Sunday, Zach, from Joshua because you brought up Exodus in the last podcast. And it's amazing. You look back, you see these little nuggets of things you missed at the End of the book of Joshua, you know, they've conquered the land. They got the inheritance that was promised to Abraham 400 years earlier. And I don't know what you thought about this, Jace, because you listened to my sermon, but this is something I had never noticed before. At the very end of Joshua, he's talking about, he makes them, you know, are you going to serve the Lord? And they're like, yes. He said, now, look, your word is your witness. You're saying you're going to do this, but. So if you're going to really follow God, you got to believe that. Oh, we believe we're going to do this. And then he took this giant rock and he sets it up, and he says, well, this rock is a witness. It's. It's hearing what you're saying, which I thought was kind of weird because a rock can't hear, and yet he sets it up there. And then their generations are going to go by. He said, this is a witness to whether you're really going to serve God or not. And I had never thought about it, but I made the point. And I went back and looked at all those rock references and Jesus as the stone and the living stone and all these things that would come forward, and even the confession.

[Jace]

Remember when Jesus said, if you don't acknowledge me, the rocks will cry?

[Al]

Exactly. And so I thought about all those references that were there. And it came up in the last episode when you were reading Ephesians 2. And I thought about the chief cornerstone. That was one of the ones I looked at. And then there's all these passages about him being the stone and the cornerstone and the capstone and the stone that they stumbled over, and it's just all through there. And I thought, well, I never really noticed it. And I don't know, the Bible doesn't say this. I'm just, you know, it's my opinion. But it looks like to me, that was another little reference. Just a nugget.

[Jace]

Oh, I think so.

[Al]

You know that.

[Jace]

Which is my point.

[Al]

How can a rock be a witness? Well, if the rock is Jesus, I mean, you know, out kind of sounds.

[Jace]

Like, well, how can a chicken be a witness?

[Al]

Exactly. Which is why I like that reference.

[Zach]

Well, I. I think. I think when you're saying that, I thought about that verse, which is another chapter where Paul emphasizes the work of the Holy spirit. In Romans 8, there's that famous line. We've talked about it for years. Verse 19. For the creation itself waits, for the creation waits eagerly for the sons of God. To be revealed or for the creation waits and eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. So there is kind of this idea of this grand vision of redemption that stretches not just to our own, like, individual salvation, but actually the creation itself is waiting and bearing witness to what's happening. And again, it goes back to the importance of the human body, you know, the importance of the flesh, the importance of what God made. He says good, like flesh in that sense is God made it good. And I think that's a big part of the coming of the Holy Spirit, that he's going to take up residence in that. And so I don't know, it's made me think of that when you read the.

[Al]

Well, and it really and kind of goes with where we're going with this. Jay mentioned about Romans 7, because Paul gives that picture in Romans 7 and 8 of what we're describing here, the difference of us trying to somehow accomplish our own righteousness through our life in accordance with comparison to law. And then how he then comes back in chapter eight and says, you were fight. You were like a man beating against the air, you know.

[Jace]

Yeah, well, that's why I was trying to bring up the difficulty and the way Jesus approached things. Even back in John 12, we didn't really talk about this. But you know, when Jesus has this. I mean, one of these moments where God actually speaks and they thought it thundered, you know, and he's like, this voice was for your benefit and not mine. Now the time for judgment of this world. Now the prince of this world will be driven out. When I'm lifted up, I'll draw all men to myself. And so he has this moment where the crowd is like, we have heard from the law. This is 34, that the Christ will remain forever. So how can you say the Son of Man must be lifted up? I mean, they're like, he's saying these profound things, that I'm the creator of the universe in human form, the Son of man, and I came here for you. There's a plan. This is all good. So they asked him kind of a theological question, because they weren't getting it either, the crowd. But then Jesus. I mean, it's a question you think he would get theological. And then he says, In 35, Jesus told them, this is in response to their question, how can you say the law? You've heard from the law, that the Christ will remain forever. So how do you say the Son of Man lift up? So then he says, you're going to have the light just a Little while longer, he starts talking about light and darkness. I mean, it just seems like an odd thing to answer the question. Walk while you have the light before darkness overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark does not know where he's going. Well, this is almost comical. It's like when you're in that. When you're walking in the dark, you don't even know where you're going. Yeah. The man who walks in the dark does not know where he's going. Put your trust in the light while you have it so that you may become. And this is what I wanted to get to children of light. When he had finished speaking, Jesus left. You know why? Because.

[Al]

No.

[Jace]

Everybody went, what? Well, he starts talking about light, darkness, and walking around in the dark. And what? Well, when you kind of look at what that really means to your life when we're all in darkness and you kind of have the realization, I'm making a mess of this life that was given to me, you know, I mean, that's. That's the point. And I think that's why the exposure is a big part of this. And that's going to be the Holy Spirit's role. I mean, it's now in you.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

There's no place to hide. There's no place to lie. You have the Holy Spirit. Who are you kidding now? So it always troubles me when, you know, you talk about double life. And you brought that up in your sermon. And, man, you. You get God's spirit in you, and just the realization of that, everything starts getting really exposed and getting real in your prayer life. And, I mean, what are you doing? One minute you're saying this, and the next minute you're trying to hide and live this kind of life. And I think that's what he was hitting on, which is really what Romans 7 is about.

[Al]

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because you're exactly right. I closed the sermon by Joshua's last words. As for me and my household, we were serving the Lord. It's a choice. It's a decision. And I not only make it, but then I'm the first witness in my own home, because he put that in the household. Then the people said, well, we are going to do this. So then your word is your witness. And then the third thing was the stone is your witness, which I would argue then is the Holy Spirit, because that's what comes into us. So that's the ultimate house.

[Jace]

You're now God's house.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Jace]

So when you say that, I Mean, you're just. I mean, I kind of do this little thing about, especially with my kids when they were teenagers. I'm like, when they came into my house, their friends, I gave a speech, I was like, you are entering a house that has given themselves to the Lord. I don't want anything happening in this house that is illegal or immoral. Do you all understand what those two words mean? Everybody's just looking at me with blank stares on their face. This is what happens.

[Al]

This was a Joshua moment.

[Jace]

And if they said anything on like why I quickly segued into we are the house of God, human beings. It's not just about this house. But I'm just saying you've entered the presence of God. And I don't mean the structure. And you know, it made for good conversations to young people. The best thing that could happen is nothing illegal or immoral happen. But I was trying to use Jesus style. The segue that God wants to room with you, he wants to dwell in you. That's how you got here. How did you get here? Did you pass those chickens on the way? Guess what? He made those. I mean, everything's pointing to this conversation.

[Al]

But Jay's makes a good point, Zach, because we go from the mindset where we think, and I say we in a broad term, especially in modern Christianity, think of the house of God as being the place where you would meet, you know, to, to worship him, to the house of God being the house you live in, to the house of God being you that actually house God. I mean, you see the journey that you take and, and all those could be true in the sense that spirit filled people that are together, bring something in community to the table. There's no doubt Paul made that reference in to the Corinthian Church, that when you're all together, a bunch of Holy Spirit filled people, it's special gathering. I mean, it is, it's great, it's awesome. I mean, you're uplifted by that. But the idea is that if you think only that he dwells in a temple or a church building or even your home and not in you, then you somehow miss this whole point that Jesus is trying to make to the disciples. And I think we've made the point that people do the same thing with the idea of heaven as being this far away thing that we hope to attain. When the idea is he says, I've poured all that out for you here to realize that now as you're going through life and as you're living life that way, you look at a person that crosses over and all of a sudden their spirit is not in their body. But you know it's going to re enter it that you're not even worried about that.

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Zach]

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[Jace]

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[Zach]

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[Jace]

That's 26. Because he starts on this narrative. The other Judas, verse 22, says, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Because he got that from when he says verse 19, before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. I hope we made the point when it says, I will come to you. That's in verse 18. I will not leave you as orphans. I will come to you. But I just want to make the point that when you read Jesus coming, it does not necessarily mean for the final time when he appears. Because when he's talking here, he's saying, I'm going to come to you has nothing to do with the final coming. He's coming to you in the form of the Spirit after he is ascended. Before long, the Lord will not see me anymore, but you will see me because I live. You also live. Well, where's he living? He's with the Father.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Wherever that is. Don't think space and time, because he's no longer bound by space and time. That's why when he levitated, which some people in Acts 1, they don't believe he levitated like, well, because he didn't have to, but it was just a symbolic that I'm being exalted. I mean, he could have just gone in the water and just disappeared or he could have gone in the wilderness. You know the movies.

[Al]

Well, he could have just done a dimensional control and just all of a sudden he's there and then he was gone.

[Jace]

It's like some of the Clint Eastwood old Westerns captured that. It's like the one where he painted the town and brought judgment. It was all based on somebody been reading their Bible.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Because he brought justice to injustice.

[Al]

And then as the spirit of a person who had been.

[Jace]

Yeah, they were like, well, you look familiar. You've been here. And then he just like, as he's riding at the end, the horse just disappears in the desert and they're like, oh, what? What did that mean? Because it was something that it was a Jesus like, fit, which Hollywood loves to do. Because you know why it's interesting what God can do. So the same thing here, when he's like, because I live. You also live. When he levitated, it was just a symbol. Then the cloud hit him from his sight. Well, he didn't keep traveling through space and time to go to some specific destination where God the Father is, because he's not bound like that. So wherever that I use the word realm. And you're like, well, what's Jesus like now? Well, it's a different mode of being. That's the phrase I use. Because what else are you going to say? I don't know. I don't know where they're at, but I know they're not far. Because he says that over and over. But his spirit is in me. You're like, well, how does that happen? Well, not really? Sure. That's why this can be confusing. But when I read something that I will be in you forever. And then when you go to Romans 8, Paul starts explaining this. He's like, your body is dead because of sin, but your spirit is alive. And the same spirit who raised Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal flesh, is the word. So you're like, but I'm still in the flesh. Yup. But the Spirit is in you. And so what do you do you have this conundrum that Romans 7 is all about. Do you live even though you're now new in Christ, you're a new creation? Do you feed the flesh that you're in, or do you feed the spirit that's in your flesh?

[Al]

Right.

[Jace]

That's what it's about. And it becomes a war. Yeah.

[Zach]

Because the point that I think this is a key point, that this is a lot of not yet now language in here, too. On that day, you're going to realize that I am in my Father and that you are in Me, and that I am in you. When he says that the world's not going to see me. I'm leaving. But the purpose is to reveal the Holy Spirit, to send the Holy Spirit.

[Jace]

And you need to read that a hundred times. Because it took me reading that 100 times for me to say, okay, he's in me.

[Zach]

Yeah. I think the way I would interpret this would be say, what is that day? Well, I think if you try to narrow down that day, on that day, you will know. I think that you're going to have a really difficult time narrowing that down and isolating it to one day. I think it's because one of us, you know, it's the resurrection. Right. As the first fulfillment of this is going to be the resurrection of Christ, then I would probably say that Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit comes, comes through the union with Christ, and then what we're waiting on is that ultimate consummation of this at the second Coming. So we've experienced. We're experiencing it now, but not fully. Because guess what, there's a lot of times when I don't actually believe in the revelation of the Holy Spirit. I don't believe his revelation. That's called sin. I don't believe that Christ has offered me the best way. That's why I'm like, choosing my own autonomous path. And Christ is like, don't do that. It's called quenching the Spirit. It's called sin. But there will be a day when sin will be removed, the very presence of sin. And it won't be possible for me to believe in a lie. And I think, what marks the consummation of the kingdom, what marks the second coming as the second coming? Obviously Christ coming back, right? But what's going to be so different? Why is it going to be glorification instead of sanctification? And the reason why is because when Christ returns. This is Philippians chapter 2. When Christ returns at the second coming, you're not going to have the ability to look at the glory of Christ and say, yeah, I don't know if that's true or not. Like, his glory is going to be so overwhelming. There's a threshold of revelation of God revealing himself to humanity, that when we receive, you won't miss it. You can't miss it. In fact, even those who don't want it, even Satan himself, even the evil demons, the reprobate, those who don't confess Christ. Here's the interesting thing. What Paul says in Philippians 2, what does he say at the name of Jesus, every tongue, not some tongues, not the tongues, every tongue will confess. Every knee will bow on heaven, on earth and under the earth. Everybody at the second coming of Christ is going to fall on their face before a holy God. They're going to be okay. You're God, I'm not. You're Lord. I mean, that's where it's all headed. And so I think that that's what at least the Christians, the people who put their faith in Jesus, man, that's the hope. I don't want to believe in this lie anymore. I want to quit sinning.

[Jace]

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[Al]

That's right.

[Jace]

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[Al]

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[Jace]

Well, that's where I was going with this, because you're right, but that's just one vein. What we miss in this is why is the Holy Spirit teaching them? And that's where I was getting when he said to Judas, the other Judas, lord, do you intend. Why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Because he wasn't grasping that the Holy Spirit was gonna. That's how he was gonna show himself. So then Jesus says, if you love me, you'll obey my teaching. Well, he starts bringing up his teaching. And then this famous verse. My father will love him. We will come to him and make our home with him. So that's how he's gonna show himself. Well, what's he talking about? Holy Spirit coming. But why is what I think we miss. He then goes to the verse that Zach quoted, which is 26. Let me get my glasses on. 25. All this I have spoken while I'm still with you. But the counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all the things and remind you of everything I have said to you. Well, for what reason? Well, because he has a job for them to do, which you're going to see when we get to chapter 20. And you remember, right after his resurrection, he appears to him. He says, peace. But then he says, peace be with you in 21:20, 21. As the father has sent me, I am sending you. Yep, that's why I wore this shirt. Al. Yeah, we're created for a purpose. There's a purpose. So, yes, you have the glorification. It's coming. You have the sanctification. That's great. Fantastic. But you also now have a job. I guess we call that vocation to be like Jesus. And you're like, well, I can't be like Jesus. But you have a spirit in you. So, yes, you can be like Jesus. And there's where the clash of the worlds happens. There's the God against the God. But he's using redeemed, renewed creatures, humans filled with the Holy Spirit, to do this, which is why they're going to have trouble, which is why they're going.

[Al]

To be persecuted, which is why he opened that with peace be with you. And back in John 14, guess what he said. Peace, I leave with you. My peace I give you. Says it twice. Don't let your hearts be troubled. Look, this is going to be. It's going to feel like a rough slogan, but you're not alone. Yeah, you're never alone.

[Jace]

Exactly.

[Al]

The Holy Spirit's always.

[Zach]

Well, you think about, I think when you get John 7, John 16, he says, when the spirit of truth comes, he'll guide you into all truth. And so this is where I think this, like, rubber meets the road kind of real practical application is that if you have a habitual sin in your life, which a lot of us do, you have a habitual sin in your life. You've been trying to kick this habit, you've been trying to kick this sin, and you just can't. Like, you can't kick it. And I think the way we typically approach that if you were raised in the church, is you might understand the Holy Spirit to be the agent of the Trinity. Who is the one that convicts you of that sin? John 16. Right. He convicts you of your sin. He says that's wrong. But I think what the text here is teaching is that he's not necessarily telling you that it's wrong. He's not telling you that your sin is simply You've rebelled against the commandment we heard it say, missed the mark or something. I think that's a limited way to view it. I think what the role of the Spirit is about your particular sin is he's revealing to you that's not true. Like that's not going to fulfill you. Because if you go back to the garden and you think, well, what was the, the birth of the original sin? It was that they believed in a lie. Did God really say? And so they start to justify. And the reason, the way that Satan was able to manipulate Adam and Eve is that he got them to question in the good provision of a loving father. He, he said, God knows that when you eat of this fruit, you'll be like him, knowing good from evil. So Satan's temptation was to tell them that whatever God revealed to you, he told you this was the good life, but he's actually holding out on you. And so what the Spirit is now going to do, now that we believe that we've actually believed that God's withholding something good from us. And I would argue that's the essence of sin. What the Spirit is going to do if he lives in you is he's going to tell you, no, that's not true. So, so like lusting after a woman that's not your wife, like, you may think that's appealing, right? But the Spirit's going to say, that's not true, like that will not fulfill you. Let me show you where that ends. Broken family, divorce court, losing half of your wealth, split children, angry. I mean, just all the things you don't want to go there. And if you could see the end of that decision, you would look at that, that, that lustful moment, think that's disgusting. I want to run from that, you know, or that, or when someone. That's what the Spirit does. He's revealed. And that's how you have real victory. You can only have victory through the Spirit because it's the Spirit that's going to reveal to you reality. And then ultimately it's a revelation of the inner life of God, which is why a lot of this kind of ends up in John. That's John 17:3. He's ultimately revealing that he is eternal life. And anything apart from him to die and apart from him is actually a death work. And it will make you miserable. And the only way that you're going to find the peace that he says is going to be with you is through union with Christ. And I think that's the primary role of what The Holy Spirit was sent to what he was sent to do.

[Jace]

I think so. But I think it also, when you went back to Genesis, it also allowed humans with the idea from the evil one, to create a new world by humans.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Where you now have not the knowledge of good and evil. And in that weakness or the fleshly realm, it then became what we see today. Yeah. Which is you have the desire to do what's good, but since you have that knowledge, we all, at some point, through our weakness, choose sin. Which is why when you get to Romans 8, 3, which I guess we'll have to get back to Romans 7 and 8 next time, because we never even got there, but sort of got there. But I like that verse that says, you know, there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ. And he introduces these two worlds, this law of sin and death, and the law of spirit, the Spirit and life. But then the key verse in there is verse three, is that Jesus became part of this fleshly realm to condemn. And if you read this very carefully, sin, sin itself in the flesh. He took that away. He condemned it, you know, through love, death on a cross. So that why. So that we could be new creations with his Spirit gives his spirit. I mean, that. That's kind of how this is going to work. When you talk about the why, he's introducing the role of the Spirit.

[Al]

I love it. This is a great place to end this. And we'll pick it up there to. At the end of John 14, which then is going to lead into a whole other discussion about the vine, the branches. So we'll get into that as well as Romans 7. 8. Next time on Ash. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.