Ep 1161 | Jase Lands in the Doghouse for Selling Missy’s Heirloom & What Would You Do with $1.4 B?

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1161 | Jase Lands in the Doghouse for Selling Missy’s Heirloom & What Would You Do with $1.4 B?
Date: September 9, 2025

Overview

In this engaging and heartfelt episode, the Robertson family navigates themes of faith, stewardship, reconciliation, and the allure of sudden wealth. The episode opens on a humorous note with the family poking fun at Powerball fever and playfully debating what they'd do with a $1.4 billion windfall. The conversation quickly pivots toward deeper themes, linking worldly wealth and spiritual inheritance, and ultimately centering on a family story involving Jase accidentally selling Missy’s precious family heirloom. The crew reflects on the lessons of communication, forgiveness, and God's grace, winding through scripture as they encourage listeners to seek treasure that can't be measured in dollars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Powerball & Worldly Wealth vs. Spiritual Inheritance

Timestamps: 01:06 – 09:31

• The episode kicks off with jokes about buying Powerball tickets and the "rules" for joining in only if the prize is over $1 billion.
  • “I don't believe in buying lottery tickets at all … until it gets over a billion.” – Scott Hanson (01:44)
• They quickly confront the allure and pitfalls of wealth:
  • Winning half a billion after taxes leads to a discussion: “What would you do with a half a billion dollar? What would be the first thing?” – Zach (02:51)
  • The risk of being hounded by 'everyone you’ve ever known' for money is raised, the necessity of privacy, and the classic adage that sudden wealth often brings unexpected troubles.
• Jase brings the focus to spiritual inheritance:
  • He quotes Mark 10, referencing the rich young ruler: “Go sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven…which is the exact opposite of winning lottery for this guy.” – Jase (05:24)
  • The crew discusses the biblical perspective—eternal life is unsurpassed wealth.
• A lighthearted exchange about lottery winners all gaining weight is juxtaposed with the more serious lesson of the Holy Spirit being the "deposit guaranteeing our inheritance."
  • “You want to win the lottery? You're already inheriting the cosmos.” – Jase (08:14)

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Stewardship, Family, and The Garage Sale Mishap

Timestamps: 09:46 – 24:32

• Jase shares, with some anxiety, the story of his garage-cleaning and how it landed him “in the doghouse”:
  • “My wife comes back out of town ... I sold that for $300. I have $300 for you. And she said, that was my grandpa's.” – Jase (13:36)
  • Missy reveals the clock was a priceless family heirloom, not garage junk.
• The aftermath:
  • Missy insists he track down the buyer, and after frantic calls, Jase finds him before the clock is sold onward.
  • Jase insists on buying it back for $400, even though the buyer protests: “I want to do the right thing. I was like, I'm buying this back for $400 because my wife and I had a miscommunication.” – Jase (17:36)
  • This leads to a deeper conversation about doing right by others, restitution, and consequences.
• The conversation unexpectedly turns toward evangelism:
  • Jase has a spiritual discussion with the buyer and, later at a local shop, shares about their podcast and faith with strangers in line, highlighting how God works in daily life:
    • “Forget the clock. And so we sat on the porch...it turned into... ‘Hey, Jesus, life. What do we think about this?’ Well, then I'm thinking, oh, there's a bigger thing going on.” – Jase (19:31)

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Communication, Conflict, and Forgiveness in Marriage

Timestamps: 21:54 – 24:32

• The story continues as Jase and Missy struggle to resolve lingering frustration about the heirloom:
  • “She was like, well, are we good now? And I was like, whatever. Now, that's where I messed up. Whatever. Confessing my sin. Right?” – Jase (22:23)
• The importance of true reconciliation, not just moving on for appearances' sake, is emphasized:
  • “Forgiveness is so important, but don't say it if you don't mean it, because then it just becomes a grudge thing” – Zach (23:57)
• The family agrees that most marital strife comes from miscommunication and missed details, and that resolving such conflicts requires honesty and humility.

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The Biblical Perspective: Old and New Worlds, the Spirit's Role

Timestamps: 24:32 – 46:11

• The Robertsons transition from practical family issues to theological examination:
  • They continue discussing how, in faith, believers are "co-heirs of the universe" and that God is offering a much greater inheritance than earthly riches.
• The episode dives into Paul’s letters (1 Corinthians 1 & 2, Romans 5) and the Gospel of John, exploring the difference between wisdom of the world and spiritual truth.
  • “But we preach Christ crucified…Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God.” – Jase quoting 1 Corinthians (29:00)
• The crew unpacks themes from John 15 (“I am the true vine…”), explaining the significance of abiding in Christ, fruit of the Spirit, and God as the gardener creating a new creation.
  • “He is the gardener and He created it. Now Jesus is making a new creation where the gardener—that’s why all this stuff is not accidental...” – Jase (44:29)

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Abiding in the Vine: Spiritual Growth & Joy

Timestamps: 46:11 – 56:33

• Discipleship and fruitfulness are successively illustrated, emphasizing how spiritual growth is not a self-powered endeavor but a byproduct of remaining in Christ.
  • “The fruit production, like joy is one of those. You don't just conjure up joy...All of that fruit is a byproduct of abiding in Christ, that long obedience in the same direction.” – Scott (54:21)
• The group discusses how even in suffering, joy can be found through spiritual dependence, not mere choice or willpower.
• Letting go of control and depending on the Holy Spirit is underscored as the true key to Christian joy, peace, and fruitfulness.

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You want to win the lottery? You're already inheriting the cosmos.” – Jase (08:14)
• “Go sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven…Which I would say is the exact opposite of winning lottery for this guy.” – Jase (05:24)
• “I want to do the right thing. I'm buying this back for $400 because my wife and I had a miscommunication.” – Jase (17:36)
• “Forgiveness is so important, but don't say it if you don't mean it, because then it just becomes a grudge thing.” – Zach (23:57)
• “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener … you are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.” – John 15 quoted (43:44+)
• “The fruit of the Spirit comes from abiding in Christ, living, living, living with him. Long obedience, same direction.” – Scott (54:54)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Powerball & Spiritual Value: 01:06 – 09:31
• Garage Sale Heirloom Story: 09:46 – 18:38
• Restitution & Unexpected Evangelism: 18:39 – 21:42
• Communication and Forgiveness: 21:54 – 24:32
• Scripture Dive — New Creation & Spirit: 24:32 – 45:42
• John 15: The Vine, Spiritual Fruit, and Joy: 46:11 – 56:33

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is filled with warmth, honest self-deprecation, and practical wisdom, matching the Robertsons' signature blend of humor, faith, and vulnerability. They offer theological insights made accessible through real-life mishaps and scriptural depth, always pointing back to Christ, grace, and the importance of community, forgiveness, and Spirit-led living—even (especially) when you accidentally sell your wife’s heirloom.

This episode is a profound reminder to cherish spiritual inheritance over fleeting riches, to live as co-heirs with Christ, and to approach even the most awkward family mistakes as opportunities for growth, humility, and witnessing God’s love.

Transcript

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[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Zach]

So we. We were talking about the. The Powerball.

[Jason]

Apparently not we. You and Zach.

[Zach]

Well, Zach brought it. He asked if I'd bought a thing, and I had. I didn't even know anything about it, but I did see a couple yesterday at the convenience store giving their numbers to the guy that works there, which I guess that's if you give your own numbers.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Scott Hanson]

You're a baller, then.

[Zach]

Yeah, because they were like, 8, 60. I was. And I was chuckling. I thought, well, they must be fired up at the. But it's over a billion dollars. That, of course, by the time this airs, I guess.

[Scott Hanson]

Yeah. I mean, we'll know who won probably by then. But, I mean, as it sits today. 1.4 billion, which I have a rule. I don't. I don't believe in buying lottery tickets at all. It's just until it gets over a billion.

[Zach]

Wait a minute.

[Jason]

That was a pause, and then there was a.

[Zach]

It sounds like the he's got a conscience line. J is right up there. But then it's like. But it's a billion dollar.

[Scott Hanson]

I have considered. I mean, I've got 12 hours till the drawing. I know it's a complete.

[Zach]

This is a national lottery. That.

[Scott Hanson]

That's a national lottery. 1.4 billion. If I buy a ticket, the way I look at it is, is it.

[Zach]

Ticket A dollar still, or is it.

[Scott Hanson]

I don't know what they cost.

[Zach]

Probably do, you know, like a dollar she don't want to.

[Scott Hanson]

Anybody know? Two bucks, three bucks?

[Zach]

I don't know. In the old days it was a dollar. I have done it before, like years ago. A bunch of us went in together and. $2.

[Scott Hanson]

$2.

[Zach]

$2. Okay. Inflation.

[Jason]

So 10 tickets.

[Scott Hanson]

If I buy 10 tickets for $2 and what you're buying is a 12 hour dream. You could dream for 12 hours if you want.

[Zach]

So 1.4 billion. Half of it would go to the government. So you would. You'd probably put about a half a billion in your pocket.

[Scott Hanson]

600 million.

[Zach]

You got to pay taxes. What would you do with a half a billion dollar? What would be the first thing I.

[Scott Hanson]

Told Jill if I ever won? No, but I would never tell anybody.

[Zach]

That's. No, that's. Now you're talking.

[Scott Hanson]

I said you would never have to.

[Zach]

Do some kind of shell company or something to. Oh, yeah, because I think about everybody that's ever known you'd be asking for money.

[Scott Hanson]

Oh, you can't let people know your life.

[Zach]

Jason's pulling the dad. He's going to.

[Scott Hanson]

He's got his Bible. Enough small talk, Jason.

[Jason]

Mark chapter 10. There we go, 21. There was a guy that came up and he said, what must I do to inherit eternal life? Because you started off talking about power.

[Zach]

Powerball. That's right.

[Scott Hanson]

Yeah.

[Jason]

What makes powerful? You're like, well, $1.4 billion. There's your power. Yeah, well, the power that I'm going to discuss has nothing to do with a ball or money. He said, what must I do to inherit eternal life? Which I would think if you. You graded that on the power scale.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Living eternally versus a billion. 1.4 billion. What would you take?

[Zach]

I think I'll take eternal life test.

[Scott Hanson]

I'll take eternal life. I'll take eternal life for 1.4 billion bob.

[Jason]

So why, Alex, why do you call me good? Jesus answered, which is an interesting statement. No one is good except God alone. We can discuss that later. You know the commandments he goes through the commandments about do not murder, do not, do not commit adultery, don't steal, don't give false testimony. There's nothing in here about lottery tickets. But teacher, he declared all these I've kept, which is a strange statement since I was a boy. So now, in this moment, I'm going to try to do this. I'm looking at Zach and I'm loving him. I'm loving him right now.

[Scott Hanson]

I haven't bought one yet.

[Jason]

Jace, just think about this.

[Scott Hanson]

Look, if you buy a lottery ticket, if you Buy a lottery ticket. It goes to fund education. So you. I mean, if I do it, it would be for. For the kids.

[Jason]

Okay, can I finish? He looked at him and he loved him.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Jason]

I just. This, this passage just recently came to my mind and you mentioned context of another, I guess, rabbit hole.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

That we will get into at some point in the next couple of podcasts. But he looked at him and he loved him because it's strange because he rejects him. Yeah, but he looked at him, he loved him. He said one thing you lack. Go sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me. Which I would say is the exact opposite of winning lottery for this guy. So he went away sad because he was a man of great wealth.

[Zach]

Well, you know, Zach, I just, I just thought about I can't buy a ticket because if I were to win outside of just Jason's little exposition there, but outside of that 100% I read somewhere of every lottery winner has gained weight. And now that I've lost weight, I mean I would just be guaranteeing that I would.

[Jason]

Where do you get these steps?

[Zach]

I. I read it someplace on the Internet.

[Jason]

You didn't read it in the Bible?

[Zach]

I didn't read it.

[Scott Hanson]

Let me do a little Google search here. What percent of lottery?

[Zach]

100% of lottery. One thing they all shared, they're saying.

[Jason]

The rich young ruler was a man of girth.

[Zach]

He was probably a man of girth. You know, they weren't working out back in the first century.

[Jason]

You know what I've heard of people fascinating is that, you know, we've been talking about the Holy Spirit indwelling us. And in several occasions in the Bible it says the Holy Spirit is a deposit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Guaranteeing inheritance.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

What, what exactly are we inheriting?

[Zach]

Everything.

[Jason]

I mean, see where I'm going?

[Zach]

Yeah, I get it.

[Jason]

You know what? Now we've been also talking about co heirs.

[Zach]

Remember co squares of Christ Jesus came.

[Jason]

To establish a world, a new world, a new creation within the creation within the old world.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Because the. When Jesus introduced the new world, spirit filled people then that just by contrast means we now have an old world. Yeah. And. And we know who's ruling that on the earth.

[Zach]

Right. The prince of that world.

[Jason]

The prince of the world.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

So.

[Zach]

And self proclaimed prince to Jesus himself. Remember when he tempted him, he said, this is all mine.

[Jason]

But you know what the Greek word for world is? Cosmos.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Which our dad used to say, hey, you want to win the lottery? You're already Inheriting the cosmos.

[Zach]

Which is funny because I had that conversation with my parents and I had it with Lisa, had it with her parents in front of me that they owe us nothing because we are co heirs of the universe. I was like, don't worry like at the end of your life, like you, oh no, we didn't leave any money for you. I'm like, I'm a co heir of the universe and I've told my kids the same thing. I said, I don't know what's going to happen at the end of it. Patrick Mead said, the guy who dies penniless is perfect timing. And maybe he's right. But my deal is I'm co heir of the universe and the cosmos.

[Scott Hanson]

There was a local football coach in Yalls area that he was a legend and he, I was talking to him one, one time. He said, yeah, my goal is to die $2 million in debt.

[Zach]

Well, that's another whole thing there. That's. I'm not sure.

[Scott Hanson]

Not only was he wasn't taking it with him, he was going to leave.

[Jason]

He's like, I'm going.

[Scott Hanson]

I'm going to extend myself beyond my.

[Zach]

And they did name the football field after him. So there you go. So, Jason, we come in here this morning. Zach was talking about lottery tickets, but you were on some kind of ra. Can't. Well, I mean, I don't know. You're. You're asking Maddie about old podcasts. I, I don't. I was just getting bits and pieces. But when you said you were angry, it then I was intrigued. So. Al, I don't see you angry very often.

[Jason]

Al.

[Zach]

And they're yelling next door. I can hear it over there. But normally in here we're not doing that.

[Jason]

Al, I have a story.

[Zach]

So by the way, Jay's before you tell it, the. So they're asking me questions where Jason? So my question back to the fans here at Documentary Sunday, I said, do you ever think Jace will run out of stories? And every one of them said never. So there you go. Well, tell us your story.

[Jason]

I have a little anxiety about telling the story because.

[Zach]

Does it involve Missy?

[Jason]

It does involve missing.

[Zach]

I will be taking that here.

[Jason]

I'm in a quandary here. So Ms. Maddie informed us that I told this story on episode 1152. That was nine episodes in your time. For you that are listening, we're now a week later. Yeah, we'll have an episode. This is what episode 1161. 1161. So that story I told is a warm fuzzy story. I was Cleaning out. I want to be clear. I was trying to have the heart of a servant at our house. And I was cleaning out the garage, which most of the stuff in there was my junk.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Jason]

So I thought, you know, my wife's out of town, I'll go out here and clean this up. So I noticed this old clock that I thought she had gotten at some one of these antique.

[Zach]

Oh yeah, the Coca Cola store.

[Jason]

The Coca Cola.

[Zach]

I remember it now. Okay.

[Jason]

So as fate went out, it was.

[Zach]

Worth a lot of money. $500.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah. You know, a guy is invited to my birthday party by someone else and he sells this type of stuff. And so we made a transaction there.

[Zach]

So fast forward, because I was marveling that there's a market.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

Fast forward a week. My wife comes back out of town and I'm like, I break the news to her. Got, got good news I'd actually gotten her flowers. Welcome home. I had cleaned up.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Because the last time she had taken the trip, I did not. And she didn't. She didn't mind, but I just thought, I'm going to put my best foot Forward here. And $300. And I was like. I made the announcement. I was like, look, you remember that old piece of junk that's been sitting out in the garage for years? Yeah, years. Cobweb spiders. I was like, I sold that for $300. I have $300 for you. And she said, that was my grandpa's. I didn't buy that in a antique thing. I was like, what?

[Scott Hanson]

That was a memory.

[Zach]

And I was like a heritage.

[Jason]

Let's just say heirloom. She was not happy. I'm just gonna put that. So you have to put that in all caps.

[Zach]

So Jay stole a family heirloom.

[Jason]

So now, look, this has happened, you know, a week.

[Zach]

Yeah, this. This. We talked about this two weeks ago.

[Jason]

I'm like. I'm pretty sure that's gone. Because she was. She gave very firm instructions that I need to find that and buy it back. Well, I. I don't know. She was like, go get it. So I have to find this guy and a friend. Through a friend, I find this guy. And I'm like, look, whatever happened to that clock? Because. And I kind of told him the story. He. And fortunately, there's hours it took for me to track this guy down. He's like, I still have it. So I was like, well, problem solved. So now we're really not on speaking terms through the drama, this. So I sent her a text. She's in the house. But I just sent her a text. She's in another room. She's still hot. And I'm like, problem solved.

[Zach]

The house text.

[Jason]

Yeah, problem solve. No worries. I have found the clock. I will go get it. I have a meeting. And so I thought that'd be it. Nope. I think this is where I got mad. I wasn't mad up until this point, but she said me a text back, and I will not disclose that. But. And it was nothing, you know, ungodly. She just. She is mad, you know, that I did this. Yeah. And. Well, now I'm mad because I thought I fixed it. Well. And I thought I didn't know this.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

This is. How is this my fault? You know, that's kind of what I was mad about. So anyway, we do the podcast yesterday. So. So yesterday, when we did the podcast, all this was. All this was percolating.

[Zach]

And I had no, you masked it well. But well, it's one of the best podcasts I've ever done in our opinion.

[Jason]

I was too angry about it. And I don't mean angry. You know, it's, it's okay to be angry. I was clear the temple angry. Yeah, I, I, that's how I justified it. Jesus went in there and cleared the temple cuz I thought this just not right.

[Zach]

Righteous.

[Jason]

Cuz I was like, this been here for years. It's been neglected.

[Zach]

I will say. J, I, I didn't I did a study on anger and 80% of the anger in the b. God.

[Jason]

Yeah. Just so you know. But now I'm feeling like, well, man, if I would have known this, I obviously wouldn't have sold it. So. And I had asked her about it, but she didn't. No mention of that. She was like, oh, I can't get it to work. That that was the response I got when I had asked about it before. And so anyway, so I go over this guy's house and I had really wrestled with how because I don't know this guy very well. He did me a favor and I thought, what is the right thing to do here? Because he, I could he was disappointed. He was going to go make some money. And look, by the way it was loaded up on his truck. He was headed yesterday.

[Zach]

It was almost gone.

[Jason]

Tennessee. And that was going to be gone. He goes and gets it off the truck. Well, I handed him $400. He had handed me $300. And he's like, well, this is four. And I was like, oh yeah, I'm giving you, I'm buying it back. And he's like, nope, you know, I understand if your wife's mad. You made a couple jokes, you know, I was like, my man, have it. Nobody's no, I was like, I thought about this and I actually said, I prayed about this. I said, I want to do the right thing. I was like, I'm buying this back for $400 because my wife and I had a miscommunication. And you were, you're in the business of doing this, right? So you're not going to make any money if you buy something for 300 and then sell it for 300. Yeah, it's like, I think the right thing to do is for me to buy it back. But he was still insistent. I was like, you're taking that hundred dollars that this now if you want to give it to charity, whatever you want to do, you should have given.

[Zach]

Him 50 Powerball tickets?

[Jason]

No. So what I said was, I say.

[Scott Hanson]

Yeah, that had been.

[Jason]

I said, look, you know, I'm a believer in Jesus. I was like, there's consequences to our actions. I was like, when Jesus died on a cross, I mean, I. I really wasn't preaching at him, but I was using sounds like preaching as an illustrate. Well, we had just come from the podcast. I think I was thinking, I have the spirit. I'm trying to do the right thing. And I was like, look, there are consequences.

[Zach]

So you left here yesterday straight to deal right there. Okay.

[Jason]

I went straight there. I mean, 10 minutes later, I'm having this conversation with this guy on his porch about why I'm giving him an extra hundred dollars.

[Zach]

And if you hadn't listened to 1160, that was the one. It's. It's a doozy of a podcast.

[Jason]

So somewhere in my little illustration about you taking $100, he's like, well, he. He. He made. You know, he started talking about his belief in God, and, you know, it started getting heavy here.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I thought, forget. Forget the clock. And so we sat on the porch, you know, and it turned into a. You know, hey, Jesus life, what do we think about this? Well, then I'm thinking, oh, there's a bigger thing going on.

[Zach]

That's why I'm here, you know?

[Jason]

Yeah, Yeah. I just. I was like, well, this is like.

[Zach]

Me and the jury duty.

[Jason]

Yeah, fantastic. You know, and so anyway, he. He took the. Took the hundred dollars, then I left, and now I'm hungry. We've done the podcast. I've just had this thing, the little daily press. We have a little. They make the sandwiches in front of you. It's right down the way from where this guy lives. So I go in there, make my order, go to the checkout, and the guy says, what you been doing? And I said, I've been talking about the Bible for four hours. It just came out. He said, what have you been doing? I was like, I've been talking about the Bible. And he said, well, what's that about? I said, well, it's about Jesus. Because I misunderstood the question when he said, what's the that about? I thought he was talking about the Bible.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So I just launched into it, and he said, no, I mean, why? It's not Sunday. He said, it's not Sunday. And I was like, what's Sunday going? I was like, oh, what is today? I didn't even know what today was, but he's like, it's Tuesday. And so then I kind of shared my Faith with him. Well, the people behind me. Then I realized I'm holding up the line here with this Jesus presentation.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And he said, well, every time I go to church, he said, I just feel like they're preaching at me and judging me. And I was like, well, they are. And I said, you probably are to listen. I said, we have a podcast. That's what I meant by. I'm talking about the boat. We have a podcast. Well, the people behind me. The woman says, oh, it's fantastic. Well, I turned around, and I was like, oh, y' all listen. I see. See local people listen to the podcast. She said, we're from Missouri. We came in for Duck Commander Day. But look, that was powerful because he was looking like, how can you make this up? You know? And so he started. He's like, well, what is that podcast?

[Zach]

He's. He's right.

[Jason]

This guy's 20 years old. And I'm like, okay. So. So by the time I get home, you know, I have the claw. I'll bring it in, put it on the table.

[Zach]

Are you still mad?

[Jason]

I'm still mad, okay, at. You know, I am, you know, at how this happened. But I feel like I've done everything I can do to make this right. And so my lovely wife comes out, and she's like, well, are we good now? And I was like, whatever. No, now, that's where I messed up. Whatever. Confessing my sin. Right? I should have just said, you could.

[Zach]

Have just texted that we're good.

[Jason]

You know, let's move on. But I said, whatever. And she. She kind of retorted, like, back, like. I was like, look, I. And I kind of gave my speech again. I was like, I wouldn't. I would never sell something that's valuable to you. You know, I was trying to do the right thing, but whatever. And so I guess I was frustrated, not angry. So then an hour later, I was like, you're right. Let's. Let's move on. And then I basically gave her the podcast and told her the story. I was like, it actually work? So, look, I just. Breaking news. If you're married, you're going to have conflict and miscommunication. We. We. What really solved the problem is we agreed where we messed up was the miscommunication aspect. I had asked about it, she had told me, but she didn't. She left that part out. That was a key thing. So, you know, things happen, and.

[Zach]

And the ultimate thing, that. Which is what you're really looking for from her. If I can put my marriage counseling had on is for her to say it's okay. I mean, I realize if she had done that.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Instead of just saying, are we. Are you good?

[Jason]

I think so.

[Zach]

I mean, she would have softened it. Just for those of you out here that get in conflict, remember, once you've done everything to fix something, the only thing left to do is say, we're good. I mean, like, yeah, let's move.

[Jason]

I think that was why I was still mad, because she was still mad. She just like, let's just move on. But I was like, not sure I'm ready to move on from.

[Zach]

You know, I always tell people, forgiveness is so important, but don't. Don't say it if you don't mean it, because then it just becomes a grudge thing, and you still got to deal with it. Somewhere down the line, that just builds up to something else.

[Jason]

Well, I decided to tell the story because I gave a false impression on episode 1152 for what happened. That was totally wrong. I thought that's what I was doing. And it turns out I was selling an heirloom.

[Zach]

Yeah, I remember. That never came up. I didn't know the origin of it.

[Jason]

As hunters and fishermen, you know, our family has always viewed this as a responsibility to be stewards of the land, be conservationists, as when it comes to the critters that visit our land every year. And it's really been a part of our life since childhood.

[Zach]

Yeah. And I feel like that I've always. And I don't know this, dad never said this, but I always feel like because he grew up surrounded by a lot of other people's lands, he always wanted his own spot to take care of. And so now with him gone, we're taking care of that for him. And believe it or not, one of the ways that you can be a part of conservation is by buying a federal duck stamp. This year, the all new digital duck stamp is available [e-mail] and it's the easiest way to get yours. You can buy it online, you can store it in your phone, and you're legal in seconds because you have to have this to hunt ducks. But more importantly, you're also doing something that helps protect God's creation for the next generation. These stamps fund real conservation, wetlands, refuge lands, and the ducks that we've been chasing, as Jay's mentioned, for our whole lives. This isn't about checking a box. It's about preserving a tradition and leaving the land better than we found it.

[Jason]

Yeah. And it makes you feel better that you're not just paying to be legal to Duck Hunt. You're actually using that money to preserve the land for Future Generations.

[Zach]

Visit duckstamp.comunashamed to get your digital stamp today. That's duckstamp.comunashamEd. that'd be interesting.

[Jason]

I simply am saying we have the Holy Spirit and these things. We still live in a world even though we're in the new created world in Jesus. And I believe Jesus forgives us for these momentary, no doubt happenings before, during, and after, because he knows our hearts and we have the Holy Spirit who is helping communicate all this.

[Zach]

I thought about it since not knowing this story, obviously, until today, but I thought about what we talked about in the last podcast and this idea, this concept, two different worlds, which is a great way to look at it. And you get to glimpse into that other world every day. All you got to do is go on the Internet or turn the news on and you see the. The fruit of the lives from that world. And sometimes you'll see something good, but for the most part, let's face it, it's pretty bad. Like, and I thought about this guy that, you know, killed these kids up in Minnesota, which would now be a couple of weeks old. I mean, what you see is just when evil runs its course out, when there's no spirit, when there's nothing good, and there's just.

[Jason]

I.

[Zach]

The a person writes down that I want to kill as many kids as I can on my way out. That shows you what the evil one, how he controls the hearts of people and the spirit of people.

[Jason]

I mean, it's terrible sin and death just manifesting itself. Yeah. In. In real life, which is painful, which.

[Zach]

Is why the Genesis account does. I've said this so many times before. You know, we read about the Fall in three, and we were talking about this on the last podcast. Well, we only get to chapter six. There was only three chapters. I mean, I don't know how much time that was, but. But it's only three chapters of reading.

[Jason]

Things escalated.

[Zach]

Things escalated to a point that got so bad that every thought of every person was violence and wickedness. I mean, you think about it, you know, there wasn't that many people on the planet at that time, but still, that's. That's a fast slide into a bad place.

[Jason]

Well, and what I was going to say, you know, we started off, Zach was talking about lottery tickets, but it made me think of Paul's discourse in First Corinthians, because he gets into the spirit rather quickly. And when he says, I guess chapter one and verse 21, where he says, for since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Then he kind of breaks down the Jews and the Gentiles problems. He's like Jews demand miraculous signs, they want to see the power of God and Greeks look for wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified a stumbling block to both Jews and foolishness, to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called both Jews and Greeks. And this is when he said that the Powerball. I thought about this verse Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God. And then he goes on to say, remember in chapter two and verse four, my message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, you know. He then goes into, in verse chapter 2, the second part of verse 11. In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the Spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. That is what we speak, not in words taught to us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. So my point is.

[Zach]

And that was, that was First Corinthians, right?

[Jason]

Yeah, First Corinthians 1 and 2. But my point is when I was, I was really concerned about how to give this money back because I thought I want to make a good impression on this guy. I didn't know, you know, he's an acquaintance. And so that's why I gave him the $400, because I thought I want to do the right thing. And I was kind of leaning on, well, what's the best way to do this from a wisdom of God standpoint.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So what do you think about how I did that?

[Zach]

No, I think that's exactly what a spirit led person should be thinking. And the good thing is by going above and beyond. And he was saying no, but you were saying, yes, this is, this is because I'm, I want to do the right thing. That, that, that makes an impact on people. I mean there's no doubt about it.

[Jason]

Well, it led to us having a very good conversation. Yeah, about what? You should be having conversations. And I believe that was Jesus's, especially.

[Zach]

When you're a known person, as you are. We are. And because somebody, he'll tell A story. Now somebody will say, yeah, do you know those duck people? And it's like, yeah, I met one. And here's. I mean, you want your reputation to be one of a person. Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. It comes back to obedience to God. And it's not obedience. And the idea that, like, we're trying to, you know, do check every law. And it's not that kind of obedience. It's a submission lifestyle that says, I always want to think the right. And look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Scott Hanson]

Well, Paul calls it the obedience of faith. In the Book of Romans, he begins the Book of Romans and ends the Book of Romans with that phrase that he was an apostle whose purpose was to bring the Gentiles to the obedience of faith. And that's a particular type of obedience, as opposed to what you said, the obedience of the law, or maybe like an obedience of works. And what an obedience of faith is, it's that I obey not out of a begrudging submission. It's an obedience that I obey out of trust that you're actually, like, whatever you're telling me to do is for my benefit and my good. And I think that that to the point we made in the last podcast, that only comes through the revelation of the Holy Spirit. You can't get there on your own. You don't have the means to do it on your own. So that's why Jesus in this text, we're in John 15 is he. He is promising the coming of the Holy Spirit in these few chapters of John, which is interesting that Jace brought that First Corinthians 1 and 2 passage up, because that's pretty much what Paul says in First Corinthians 1 and 2. Because what he says is that you, like, you can't understand the things that are of the Spirit and because they're discerned from the Spirit. So when Paul says, I, you know, I came to you guys, I didn't have all these incredible arguments and, you know, I didn't have all this. The things you were looking for. I came with a demonstration of the Spirit and a power. And I don't think that means like, he was doing miracles. I think he's saying, he what he what? I think it's more than that because he says in verse six of chapter two, yet among the mature, we do impart wisdom. So he's not against wisdom. He's just what kind of wisdom. He qualifies it, although it's not a wisdom of this age or of the Rulers of this age who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God which we know that's also in John, which is Christ in you, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. And this is the point I want to emphasize and understanding that the role of the Holy Spirit, this is what he does. But as it is written, what no eye has seen, nor ear heard, and then he adds on to that, nor the heart of man imagines. So whatever it is, you hadn't seen it, you hadn't heard it. In fact, you can't even imagine it, what God has prepared for those who love him. So this means there's a big, huge bull benefit, like there's something incredible that God has prepared for those who love him. Well, how would I ever know what that is? Well, he tells us in the very next ver. The very next verse, verse 10. These things. What things? The things that no ear has seen, or no, no eye has seen, no ears heard, nor the heart of man. Imagine what God's prepared for those who love him. These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. So that's the. Like, the purpose of the Spirit is. He's revealing to our hearts stuff that we can't even imagine. It's not just about right and wrong, it's more about true and false. And what's true is, is that God has actually prepared something absolutely incredible for you if you would just put your trust in Him. And when you do, in a measure, as you, as you believe the Holy Spirit's revelation. Well, what's the revelation? What God has prepared for those who love Him. He's telling, this is what God has prepared for those who love him. Then, as I submit to that, I actually taste the goodness of the lord. And Romans 4 says that like Abraham, he says faith was increased as he gave glory to God. So as he submitted to the Spirit, he actually tasted the Lord. Man, that's really good. 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[Zach]

No, that's really good. And I was thinking about it. If you really do a deep dive as we're doing on study of the spirit and we're going to look back some today when we get into 15. But if you look forward from here, like John gives this exposition from Jesus, but the writings of Paul are so such a good explanation of all this we're talking about. I mean, Jason, y' all both quoted like 1, 2 Corinthians also in Romans, his writings on how he got it. And he wasn't even here at the original part. He got all this post.

[Jason]

Well, and I think he's, you know.

[Zach]

I mean he was the perfect mind to explain this, especially to the Gentile world. Coming from a Jewish perspective.

[Jason]

I mean, it was. Well, he experienced the love of God. I mean, you think about Romans 5, that he would write while we were his enemies.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

God. What does it say? God demonstrates his love.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Well, something about we are his enemies.

[Zach]

And my point I'm making is that he literally wasn't.

[Jason]

How can you be any more of an enemy.

[Zach]

Yeah. Than be a terrorist?

[Jason]

Saul? Yeah. He was a terrorist against Christians.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

I think it's five, eight. God. Let's see. Where, where's that? Where it says where. Something about where enemies. Oh, verse 10. 5, 10. For if when we were God's enemies.

[Zach]

We were reconciled, we were reconciled to.

[Jason]

Him through the death of his son. How much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life? But you notice that world keeps coming up. Because I was thinking about that 2 Corinthians 5, where he says this idea of a new creation, new world, you know, in 2 Corinthians 5, says. You know, he talks about what it. What happens when this tent falls apart. You know, we groan and. But he throws in that Holy Spirit when he says 5, 5. Now it is God who made us for this very purpose, this dwelling with God and has given us the Spirit as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come. Same thing we were talking about.

[Zach]

He talked about that to everybody. Way better than the lottery. And.

[Jason]

Sorry, Zach, but then he's like, verse 11. Since then we know, because we're all going to stand before judgment, seat of God. We try to persuade men. And then he brings up this new creation.

[Zach]

Somewhere in there he says, oh, yeah, it's that whole. The rest of that text.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah, there in verse 16, 5, 16. So from now on, we regard no one from a worldly point of view, though we once regarded Christ in this way. What's he talking about? Just the old world. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. He was a man. He did a few things, you know, he was from. From Nazareth. We do so no longer, therefore, if anyone in Christ, well, he is a new creation. And then it says, the old is gone, the new has come. All this is from God, who reconciled to us. Us to himself, through Christ, gave us this ministry of reconciliation. Here's the verse.

[Zach]

I said, this is the going forward. Yeah.

[Jason]

That God was reconciling through the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them and giving us this message. So it's this new creation in this world that God's reconciling, which is why I brought up the rich young ruler.

[Zach]

Well, then, Jason, you left out the best verse, the 21, the capper, when he says God, he who had no sin became sin for us. I mean, that's exactly how it happened.

[Jason]

And that's, you know, he also says that in Romans where he's like, he came in the form of sinful flesh, you know, which is. He became a man. Yeah, but he didn't sin.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

And then died for the ones, all the rest who did so. And, you know, I was given that illustration over this little transaction, but that's powerful. Yeah, you just unleash that to a human. All of a sudden, he's like, it got. It got bigger. It got. Oh, I'M a human. The Creator did this for me in the moment, I probably should have started thinking about the power. And he did it in love, which is John 15's point. I guess we should read it. But that's going to make us go back to those podcasts that we did where in John 13, when he focused on John 11 at the resurrection. Because love is forever. Because God is love.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

So that's why when you get in that First John 4, 16 or whatever, when it says we rely on God's love, just think about that. Yeah. Because God is love. We rely on that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I. I think that makes it more powerful because when you think about how do we get through life? Well, we're relying on God's love.

[Zach]

And you. And you notice, Joyce, that in these texts, in John, it. It just jumps off the page of me. Although different fruits of the Spirit that Jesus talks about with his disciples, love being the first. And joy is going to be in verse 11 here, peace. You know, all those things you see are not our fruit. It's the fruit of the Holy Spirit through us, which he's going to talk about.

[Jason]

And I think the greatest is love, you know, to quote First Corinthians 13, because that is the why, why he did all this. And so I think we'll see that as we go through John 15.

[Zach]

All right, so I'm going to read the first 11 verses because. And we'll probably be here for a minute because there's so much good stuff, because there's some Old Testament stuff we're going to look into that really enhances. We have been doing this in every one of these chapters, because it's been there the whole time. So let me read the first 11, and then we'll go from there. I am the true vine, and my father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit, he prunes or cleans is another version of that word. The Greek word there means either. So you just kind of have. Imagine if you were, like, doing a great. Then when they do the grapes, they prune, they cut things off, they lift them up, the vines are growing. That's kind of the picture.

[Jason]

But before you keep reading now, just. Just think about this. If you go back to John 1:1, in the beginning was the word words with God to his audience. Here, when you say in the beginning, everybody's going back to Genesis 1, 2 and 3, right? Well, when he says the Father is the gardener, this is not just an illustration I think for years in my Christian faith, I'm like, oh, he's using a little illustration about, oh, no, this was purposeful. Because when you're talking about creation, he.

[Zach]

Literally is the gardener, created the garden.

[Jason]

And he is the gardener and he created it. And now Jesus is making a new creation where the gardener. That's why all this stuff is not accidental. Even when this little line, when Mary, remember she was at the tomb and she saw Jesus and thinking he was the gardener, I mean, you think John's just throwing that statement in. We have this statement here, the Father is the gardener. So this idea of the temple where God and humans meet being this picture of the garden where God and the Father met with humans in the beginning of the creation. I think this is all important to understanding what he says.

[Zach]

And it's another huge I am statement. Because he then says about himself out of the gardener, I am the true vine. I am the everything grows out of.

[Jason]

Me or the tree. So you have the tree of life, which we talked about in the garden, and you have the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is where the evil one comes in and now sees an opportunity to create a world in which he is in control of with humans, which is what happened.

[Zach]

Right. All right, so prunes or cleans so that it will and cleans. He's going to say again. So that's probably what was meant here, so that it will be even more fruitful. In other words, that's why you clean it, that's why you prune it. Then he says, same Greek word, here you are already clean because of the word. I have spoken to you. So it says that to the disciples.

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[Jason]

And I do think that refers back to John 13 when he washed the disciples feet.

[Zach]

Yeah. Remember when he said Peter says wash my whole body.

[Jason]

Yeah. Jesus answered because Peter said you shall never wash my feet. And Jesus said unless I wash you, you have no part with me. But now look, the reason this gets confusing is he's. He's forecasting what he's fixed to do in his death umbrella and resurrection.

[Zach]

Correct.

[Jason]

That's why this is hard to wrap your head around. Because. And you say, well how do you know that? Because John 13:3 says Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power and that he had come from God and he was returning to God. So he got up in verse one. He's basically fixed to show them the full expression, the full end, the completion, whatever English word you want to do for that of his love. Which is why he came. So then he gets into this cleaning part because he actually says clean when he says verse 10 of 13. A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet. His whole body is clean.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jason]

And you are clean though not every one of you. And he talked about Judas because I think he knew their heart obviously. And he's knowing what he's fixing to do. He's knowing how this is all going to play out. And so that's kind of continuing.

[Zach]

And he hasn't told them about the Holy Spirit, which is what he's doing here. Verse 4. Remain in me and I will remain in you. There's that in you again. No branch can bear fruit by itself, it must remain in the vine, which.

[Jason]

Is pretty self explanatory. If you go out into the forest or into a vineyard and a branch has detached itself from the tree, it's not good for that branch. This is not like something you have trouble relating to.

[Zach]

The only thing that that's good for now is starting a fire because it.

[Jason]

Gives you a picture of something that's alive. A tree that's growing. Once the branch breaks off or storm, whatever, it's now dead, right? It's not going to do anything but deteriorate.

[Zach]

Exactly. So then he says, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. To your point, verse five, he says it again. I am the vine, you are the branches. So now he's extended this idea, which.

[Jason]

Is a very powerful statement because now you're. You're in me, you're part of me. This is getting so intimate as a tree with branches, right?

[Zach]

I mean, and inseparable to grow, right? If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit apart from me. You can do nothing. So he keeps making that clarity. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are picked up and thrown in the fire and burned. As we just said, if you remain in me. How many times, by the way? This abide is another word. This remain 10 times in these 11.

[Jason]

And I bet you if you counted the ifs. Yeah, it would be about the same. There's a lot of ifs, A lot.

[Zach]

Of ifs in here. If you remain in me, verse 7, and my words remain in you. Ask whatever you wish and it will be given you. This is to my Father's glory that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. So we talked about that. Looking different, this world we're in. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. There's that abide again. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love. Just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. I have told you this, and I love this. So that your joy. So that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. And I love the idea there's another fruit of the Spirit, but he goes back to joy in the midst of this discussion about he's about to die. You know, this whole thing has been, you know, hey, I know this is bad. You know, I'm going to prepare, you know, the whole thing has been Like a comforting speech. And now he brings joy into it.

[Scott Hanson]

Well, yeah, you think about that Galatians 5 passage where he gives the fruit of the Spirit, and, you know, it is his fruit to produce and not ours. And I love this picture of the vine because it's the condition here of the fruit production is that you remain connected to Christ. So once the vine gets cut off, if you don't remain connected to the source, then obviously that's going to wither up and die, because there's not going to be any way. There's not going to be any energy or food or anything going into that particular plant, which would be us in this case. And so it withers up and dies. So the fruit production, like joy is one of those. You don't just conjure up joy. I saw somebody put this on Instagram recently that joy is a choice. And that's not really true, depending on what you mean by that. Like, you don't. If you're in a horrible place in your life and someone just says, well, choose joy. I mean, you can't. What does that even mean? Like, you know, or I'm anxious. I have anxiety. Well, you just. The Bible says, don't worry. Don't worry.

[Jason]

Worry.

[Scott Hanson]

Okay. Don't worry. Like, how do you choose?

[Jason]

Not attachment. We tend to. It's like for years I read the parable of the Sower and I had it detached from this idea. This is the new garden, Right? The new garden is that we're growing in God, with God. It's not a. Oh, he did this for me. So now I got to go out and do this stuff.

[Zach]

Yes. We're not going to fruit.

[Jason]

No, no. We're together. He's in me.

[Scott Hanson]

But what you want is you want the quick fix. Like, what we want to say is that I have anxiety. And I want you to tell me the hack, the life hack, to where I can just flip a switch and, oh, now I've chosen not to be anxious. Well, it doesn't work that way for anybody. And so I think what you're seeing here is that the fruit production, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control, all the stuff in Galatians 5, all of that, all of that fruit is a byproduct of abiding in Christ, that long obedience in the same direction. And the reason why we don't like that is because that's a little bit more hard to box in. I don't have the control anymore, so I can't go out there and live autonomously on my own. Doing what I want to do and then conjure up the fruit of the Spirit when I want it. It does not work that way. The fruit of the Spirit comes from abiding in Christ, Living, living, living with him. Long obedience, same direction.

[Jason]

But he's also saying, you, I'm giving you my Spirit, which is without measure.

[Scott Hanson]

Without measure, as you mentioned in the last podcast. Which, that's interesting because then if you think about the fruit of the Spirit and you think, man, how much of this fruit could I actually experience? How much joy could I really have? How much peace and patience and kindness and gentleness and self control, and how much of that could I really possess in my life and yield in my life? Well, the answer is it's an infinite amount because you have unbridled access. He's given you the Spirit without measurements. The reason why we don't manifest more of that is not because he hasn't given it to us. It's because we're quenching it and we're taking that vine and we got our hands around that vine and we're just kind of quenching down on it because we're like, I don't know if I want to yield that much control over to you, but as you let go and you yield control over to the Holy Spirit, that's when these things start to manifest themselves in your life in greater measure.

[Zach]

So much so that even James, who, who was the early leader of the church and scholars believe, and so do I, that he was Jesus brother, who didn't believe in him when he was doing his ministry, but then once he was resurrected, did and was in that upper room, he said about joy, even when you go through difficulty and trials, all it's doing is helping you persevere. People can even find joy in those worst of times. Like you were mentioning, is that. And because of that accruing fruit bear, you know, that's coming through for me.

[Scott Hanson]

I know we're almost out of time, but for me, the reason why I've been able to experience joy in the times that are difficult is because it could also lead. You can also become bitter. Yeah, you become bitter when you refuse to realize. I don't have that much control. But in times of my life when it has been chaotic and I've, I've kind of moved into the opposite position where it's like, well, I don't have a lot of control here. It kind of not forces me, but it really strongly encourages me to, to submit myself in a posture of I, I'm I, I can't figure this out. I made a mess of this.

[Jason]

Like, when you sell your wife's airline.

[Scott Hanson]

That'Ll humble you, right?

[Zach]

Or when you dream about a billion $1.4 billion. All right, so we're, we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. We led right up to the we're going to go back in the next podcast and look at Psalm 80 and some of the things that kind of show how powerful this is. So we'll, we'll do that next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.