Ep 1163 | Our Prayer for Charlie Kirk’s Family & How to Bring the Light of Truth into Dark Places

Summary

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Episode Overview

Theme/Purpose:
This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family is marked by both mourning and hope. Opening with a special prayer for the family of Charlie Kirk following his tragic death, the Robertson family reflects on loss, evil in the world, and the unshakeable hope found in Christ. The core of the discussion centers on what it means to bring the light of truth into dark places, using John 15 as a foundation. The group explores the meaning of “the world” in scripture, the transformative power of abiding in Christ, and how the presence of the Holy Spirit marks true believers—while sharing personal stories, theological insights, and plenty of their signature humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. A Tragic Loss, Prayer, and Perspective

• [00:58–03:41]
  • Zach opens with a heartfelt prayer for Charlie Kirk's family, acknowledging collective grief and the evil that persists in the world, while affirming the sovereignty of God.
  • Zach: "We do believe that God is sovereign. We do believe that King Jesus still reigns and we believe that Charlie is at rest with Jesus right now." [01:23]
  • The team encourages listeners to join in prayer, asking for God's comfort and a new generation to rise up.

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2. Faith in Action: Bringing Light to Dark Places

• [03:48–13:20]

  • Christian Huff recounts a recent speaking engagement in rural California, noting the challenges and unexpected impact of faith in a “notoriously blue state.” He describes believers there transforming a bowling alley into a church ("Adventure Church") and sharing the gospel in hostile environments.
  • Christian: "I did it for the kingdom." [06:00]
  • Emotional moments from a meet-and-greet are shared, such as a military man’s tears over their visit and longstanding impact: “I can't believe you came to California.” [08:44]
  • Christian describes tailoring his message to focus on the simple truth of Jesus: "Jesus makes you very smart. And I just basically shared Jesus for 30 minutes." [10:41]

• Community & Joyful Fellowship:

  • Fun anecdotes about Louisiana cooking, overeating, and a duck-calling contest highlight the warmth and relatability of their ministry.
  • Fundraising via dessert auctions—$500 for Mrs. K’s apple pie and $1000 for a chocolate cake—shows the community’s generosity and the lighthearted nature of their events.

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3. Deep Dive: The Meaning of ‘The World’ & Abiding in Christ

• [13:20–36:52]

  • The group continues a series through John with a focus on John 15. Christian shares how John 15:5 became a life verse for him:

    • Christian: “I am the vine, you are the branches…For apart from me, you can do nothing.” [17:03]
    • He testifies to the futility of trying to bear spiritual fruit without truly abiding in Christ, emphasizing that mere religious activity cannot substitute for real connection to the Spirit.

  • The conversation expands to the extensive use of “the world” (cosmos) in John and 1 John, tracing themes of:

    • God’s love for the world (John 3:16)
    • The world’s darkness and need for light
    • The “ruler of this world” as the evil one
    • Being “not of the world” as Jesus’ disciples

  • Jase (Christian): “So there are two worlds: the world God loves and the world that hates him—or rather, two kingdoms: the kingdom of light, and the kingdom of darkness.” [23:29]

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4. Illumination, Exposure, and Responsibility

• [36:52–44:00]
  • Jase unpacks how the light of Christ exposes sin, referencing John 1:3–9 and John 3:19–21.
    • Jase: “Jesus is the standard, the light. It's like a big flashlight from God...it exposes where you’re at.” [34:51]
  • The reality of the world’s hatred for Christ’s followers flows from this exposure—when believers bring light, they reveal darkness.
  • The group points to the difference between doing “church things” in our own strength and bearing fruit only as a result of the Spirit’s power.

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5. The Two Kingdoms: Sacred and Secular

• [44:00–54:09]
  • Zach explains the split between the “kingdom of God” and the self-centered “kingdoms of man,” referencing Old Testament history and the persistent inability of humanity to please God without His Spirit.
    • Zach: "The secular world cannot please God...It doesn't want to commune with the world God made with Him. It's an autonomous, I'm on my own."
  • The conversation ties into Old and New Testament themes: the inadequacy of the law, the need for the Spirit, and Jesus’ mission to reunite heaven and earth.

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6. The Fruit of the Spirit versus the Works of Man

• [45:10–46:34]
  • The team discusses how people wrongly try to “work up” love, patience, and other fruits, instead of yielding to the Spirit:
    • “We actually take the fruit of the spirit and we turn it into a work…” [45:10]
  • Real transformation is only possible by submitting to the Spirit, training ourselves through daily rhythms of repentance and faith.

7. Common Grace in a Broken World

• [53:51–57:28]
  • The group navigates subtle theological disagreements over “common grace”—whether nonbelievers' loving, sacrificial acts also point to God’s sustaining presence, even if unacknowledged.
    • Christian: “Whenever you see love in any capacity...that came from God.” [56:54]
  • The conclusion: any love or goodness ultimately traces back to God, even in a fallen world governed in parts by evil.

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8. ‘Do Not Love the World’—Final Scripture

• [57:54–59:28]
  • Christian closes by reading 1 John 2:15–17, highlighting the stark choice between loving God or loving the world:

    “If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him...the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boast in what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.” [57:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Zach's opening:

  "Anybody that has seen the pictures of his family...all of our hearts are broken. But...we do believe that God is sovereign...and we believe that Charlie is at rest with Jesus right now." [01:20]

• On being unashamed:

  “I am unashamed. What about you?” — Christian [03:43]

• On abiding in Christ:

  “For apart from me, you can do nothing.” — Christian, quoting John 15:5 [17:03]

• On the light exposing darkness:

  "That's what light does—in its purity...if you don't realize you're in darkness, the light reveals it." — Jason [30:12]

• On confronting ‘the world’:

  “We, as Jesus people, do not do things that the world does.” — Christian [48:10]

• On love as proof of God’s reality:

  “Love is a sign that there is a God.” — Christian [57:45]

• On the “two worlds”:

  “It's like the world created a world. The world that God created created a world where this stuff (sin) came out.” — Christian [58:44]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:58–03:41] – Opening prayer for Charlie Kirk and family
• [04:45–13:20] – Christian’s California trip; sharing the gospel in “dark places”
• [17:03] – John 15:5 and what it means to abide in Christ
• [23:29–25:12] – Deep dive into the meaning of “world” (cosmos) in John and 1 John
• [30:12–34:51] – The light of Christ exposing sin
• [36:52–44:00] – How the Holy Spirit produces genuine fruit vs. self-effort
• [53:51–57:28] – Discussion on common grace, love, and God’s presence in the world
• [57:54–59:28] – 1 John 2:15–17 and the challenge to love God, not the world

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode balances gravity and hope. There’s real sadness in the prayer for the Kirk family and acknowledgment of evil, but that never overwhelms the atmosphere of faith, humor, and warmth. The tone is conversational—sometimes tangential (they lovingly tease each other)—yet always circles back to the centrality of Christ and biblical truth. There’s a genuine call to live out faith unashamedly, to bring light into dark places, and to rely entirely on the Spirit instead of self-effort or “religion.”

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Summary

This episode of Unashamed offers a compelling blend of personal testimony, deep biblical study, and encouragement to be a light in a darkened world. Using the tragic news of Charlie Kirk's death as a launching point, the Robertsons urge listeners to pray, persevere, and let the Holy Spirit produce real fruit in their lives. They challenge listeners: Don’t be “of the world”—abide in Christ, let His light expose darkness, and bear unmistakable fruit, all the while loving boldly, “unashamed” of the gospel.

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Transcript

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[Zach]

To the Unashamed podcast. We're going to do something a little different today. We pre recorded this episode but we wanted to step in and offer up our condolences on a day like this. 911 but also the loss of Charlie Kirk yesterday. And I want to, I don't want to call it a tragic loss. I mean this was a heinous crime against humanity and our hearts are absolutely broken. And so we're in prayer for Erica, his wife, and for his beautiful children. Anybody that has seen the pictures of his family. I mean all of our hearts are broken. Right? But we just want to acknowledge right here that we are mourning, that we are heartbroken and we don't have a lot of words to make sense of it. We do believe that the God is sovereign. We do believe that King Jesus still reigns and we believe that Charlie is at rest with Jesus right now. And so I'm just going to offer up a prayer before we get into the pre recorded episode, you know, that was recorded before the events that happened. But I'm going to offer up a prayer for his family and I would encourage you guys just to get on your knees today and do the same. And so if you would just, let's just spend a moment in prayer and you guys can bow with me and pray. Lord Jesus, we, we, our hearts are heavy. We saw the events yesterday and it hits this, this one hits close to home, God. We do pray, God, for entire Kirk family. We pray for Erica this morning today, God, as she is without a husband now, God. And we pray for her children. We pray for our country, Lord. We pray that justice will be served. We pray God that the perpetrator of this crime will be caught and brought to justice, God. But we also are thankful for Charlie's work. We're thankful for the bold stand that he took, Lord, in this country and on the front lines of a lot of big cultural issues, God. And so we're thankful for he did, God. We know that his. That his service to you will not end here, God. But it's only the beginning, Lord. So we pray for a new generation to rise up, Lord. We pray, God, that we would be a people of peace, God, that we'd be a people who would. Who would just desire to see the consummation of your kingdom, Lord. It's days like today when. When we do realize, God, that the. The fullness of your kingdom is not yet fully come and there is a real evil in the world, God. So, Lord, would you protect us, God, would you give us perspective?

[Christian Huff]

And.

[Zach]

And, God, would you help us to taste your presence Lor. Erica and the family, would they be able to taste your presence today, Lord? Would you give them the peace that surpasses all understanding, Lord? Because that's what's needed right now. And, Lord, we ask this in the name of your precious son, Jesus.

[Jason]

Amen.

[Christian Huff]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jason]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We got a guest on today, Christian Huff.

[Guest]

Thanks for having me. Happy to be here.

[Jason]

You know, it's funny, because Christian days, we just had been doing a lot of our Hillsdale podcast. Zach was in town, which is weird because he was literally sitting across the table yesterday. Now he's back in this little box in North Carolina. But I got home. He was here yesterday. He was here the last two days.

[Christian Huff]

There you go. Did you blow the horn when you went by my house? I did.

[Zach]

I honked it. I never even came down your to Yalls area. Well, I did. I went to Willie's house for lunch on Sunday because he made a pot roast. But it was like. I never had pot roast like that before. That was.

[Christian Huff]

We don't call it pot roast.

[Zach]

What do you call it?

[Jason]

Roast.

[Zach]

Well, it wasn't even roast. It was like rib eyes and in a pot. Beef ribs.

[Jason]

And Willie always has a different twist.

[Zach]

It was good.

[Jason]

Willie's Christian. Willie's cooking. More is more.

[Zach]

Yeah. Christian piled his plate up. I mean, he was. I bet he knocked out.

[Jason]

This man eats.

[Zach]

Oh, it was al. It was probably. It was at least 6,000 calories just for lunch.

[Guest]

No, it was not.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Zach]

I was impressed.

[Jason]

We went. We went to lunch yesterday, and Zach was buying, so we Went to the.

[Guest]

Most expensive place to pick the most expensive place.

[Jason]

So we did. And Christian was. He wanted to get two entrees, but he didn't. He held back, but we did.

[Zach]

Jay, he did the passive aggressive. Well, normally I get this and this, but today I'm only going to get. I said, you can get two entrees if you want to get two entrees.

[Christian Huff]

I was asking the lady about two.

[Guest]

And I see Zach start sweating over there.

[Christian Huff]

And I was like, I'll just, I'll.

[Guest]

Just get one today.

[Jason]

He's like the new Trent Langhopper. That's what I call him.

[Christian Huff]

I notice all these guys that work out a lot. They, they, they eat a lot. Yeah, they. A lot of meat.

[Jason]

Yeah. I like, I told Christian I was doing the same diet as him. I just missed the working out part. So I just got fat. All mine.

[Guest]

Sucke.

[Christian Huff]

All right.

[Jason]

In the front because it just, it didn't look near like yours.

[Christian Huff]

Well, I wasn't even here. I was in California.

[Jason]

I know. And I want to hear about that. You, you, you went into a notoriously blue state. There's a lot of good people out there.

[Christian Huff]

I did it for the kingdom.

[Jason]

That's what I did. I'm going to Oregon next week.

[Christian Huff]

Kept saying, you know, this is going to be difficult because this is in a rural part of California. It's hard to get to. Hard to leave Louisiana.

[Jason]

I've been, I've been exactly where you went, Monroe.

[Christian Huff]

And I mean, we had delays. You got time difference, four hour layovers.

[Jason]

Oh, boy.

[Christian Huff]

Two of the flights were four hours long. No screens. So that was good. A lot of Bible study.

[Jason]

Yeah, but.

[Christian Huff]

And the day just. I left at 4 o' clock in the morning. Got back to the hotel after the event. My time, 11:30. So, yeah, I just would. This wouldn't end then we get back up at 4. Here we go again. But having said all that, you know what the first thing someone said to me when I arrived on campus, because they sold out the tickets and then the demand of the crowd, the. I mean, they're in California, cutting edge of what it means to be a disciple of Jesus, surrounded by problems. They actually got another venue and continued a bigger venue.

[Jason]

Really?

[Christian Huff]

Yep. The biggest place around there, which it was a church. Upgraded. It was a church building. And look, you know what the name of the church building was? Adventure Church.

[Jason]

Adventure Church. That's exciting.

[Christian Huff]

Eventually, look, it used to be a bowling alley. Wow. I mean, think California. The, the people that are following Jesus, they're literally taking bowling alleys and turning it into adventures. Presence of the God.

[Jason]

And you were on an adventure.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah, presence of God. So, no, it was good. But the first comment when I got out, they said, do you know what this place is known for? First question. Hey, how you doing? You know, I'm Jay. Where are we headed?

[Jason]

Frog hunter.

[Christian Huff]

No, they said, you know what it's known for? And I was like, what?

[Guest]

Bowling.

[Christian Huff]

Chickens. Lot of chickens. Oh, gosh.

[Jason]

I told you about the chicken podcast. What was it? The red foul.

[Christian Huff]

I started rubbing my hands together. I said, you've been staring at him. He said, you know what? You had a point.

[Jason]

Jason's rabbit hole. Somebody has rewarded the rabbit holes.

[Christian Huff]

So then we did a little meet and greet, and people were just filled with emotion. It was one of the strangest meet and greets. The first guy stepped up there, big burly guy, came out of the military following Jesus, burst into tears.

[Jason]

First guy, because the podcast or about dad or what?

[Christian Huff]

He just. All of the above. He's like, I can't believe you came to California. Which was the theme of the night.

[Jason]

And which is why we go. I mean, literally, that's why you go.

[Christian Huff]

It's a Christian school. There's not another Christian school for miles around. They're persecuted. They're. You know. But it's in a place where duck hunting. It's.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

So my dad, I. I didn't realize this, but my dad and I did an event in that town, Yuba City, 25, 30 years ago, I bet.

[Jason]

But it was 30.

[Christian Huff]

We did a little tour, and we would go duck hunting, and a lot of the people at that event came to the Lord when we came through there 25, 30 years. So that was another reason for all the tears.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And, boy, it just.

[Christian Huff]

It was good. I mean, the event was good. I had this whole thing prepared about. Because they wanted me to talk about a Christian education.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

And everybody was in tuxedos and suits but me.

[Jason]

Did you have on your. Your dress? Camo.

[Christian Huff]

At least I have my unashamed shirt.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Christian Huff]

And I had this hat on.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

Which has the gospel symbols on it.

[Jason]

It does.

[Christian Huff]

And so it's not too dirty. So I had prepared all this. This kind of education angle because I did the whole thing about the Word became flesh. And did God really say, all y' all studying with Genesis, you know, even in creation? And God said, I was doing. I was going to do all this about knowledge versus the Word becoming flesh, Jesus becoming our wisdom. That was the ang. But the more. Half the people in the line Asked me what these symbols were. So somewhere I thought, if they're asking me what these symbols are, they need to go in a different. Different direction.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

And so I basically summed up the education segment with Jesus makes you very smart. And I just basically shared Jesus for 30 minutes, you know, but also judged a duck calling contest, which was hilarious. They picked 10 random people, and they had bought 10 duck calls. And they. I was surprised. The courage that they got on stage. And I judged. I showed them. Here's how you do this. So the first thing I did was pick up that ringer and just went about 50 notes as loud and as.

[Jason]

Hard as I could, like you did here.

[Christian Huff]

And it was the biggest applause I got.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah.

[Christian Huff]

And I'm like, why are you applauding? Ducks don't do that. And so then I did the little duck sounds, and. And then they did. So I'll tell you how it went. Two out of the 10 tried to blow the duck call from the wrong end, which was hilarious because they're like. They were looking like, there's something wrong with this duck call. And I said, turn it around. So one guy was decent. He won. And so then they did an auction for desserts to raise money for the school, which I thought was interesting. And somebody had cooked Ms. K's apple pie from the recipe in her cookbook, and it went for $500.

[Jason]

Wow.

[Christian Huff]

I can't wait to tell her.

[Jason]

That's awesome.

[Christian Huff]

Ms. K. Did you ever think you would be on the planet and somebody just used your recipe? You didn't cook it?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

And somebody bought that for $500. That was the second most. They had some cake that looked like a small building.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

With seven different chocolate components to it. And it went for a thousand.

[Jason]

Wow.

[Christian Huff]

And even the auctioneer, he's like, did.

[Jason]

You have any dessert?

[Christian Huff]

No. But, you know, I was fixed to speak. But it's so funny. He was, like, going through all the lava that was in all the different chocolates, and he's like, this will 100% guarantee early diabetes. Let's start the bidding. I thought, oh, this is the most spectacular cake I've ever seen in my life. But it was really fun. Then I, you know, I shared Jesus, and I think it was good. I think you'll see the needle be a move there.

[Jason]

Yeah. I'm glad you went, Christian. We're glad to have you on the podcast. We. We're doing. We're in Genesis, and Exodus is eventually where we're going after that for Hillsdale. So we've had a really good study doing that together, which has been really good. And so I. We were getting ready to record today, and Christian was on the way out, his way out the door, and I said, well, he said, what are y' all studying tomorrow? Because I said, I got to come back tomorrow. You got to do regular unashamed. He said, what are y' all studying? I said, we're in John 15. He said, that's my favorite chapter in the Bible, and it has my favorite verse. And I was like, well, why don't you come join us now that you've moved up from the kids table at Thanksgiving, you're at the big table.

[Guest]

I appreciate it. Well, when you introduced me as a guest, I kind of felt like John 15 when it says, I no longer call you slaves because the master doesn't confide in his slaves. But now you are my friends. So I kind of felt like going.

[Jason]

From the kids table.

[Guest]

You know, I'm at the friendship level.

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[Christian Huff]

I'm glad y' all told me this, because I thought it was kind of like the show you used to watch all the time. Seinfeld.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah.

[Christian Huff]

I just thought he was walking by. Open the door. Because I heard nothing, that you were gonna be here. And you sat down and I was like, you're the Kramer of this Kramer.

[Jason]

We can't really fire you.

[Guest]

Beth was unaware of it, too, so it's. Only a few people knew I was coming.

[Zach]

Well, he's. He is on the. He's unashamed Hillsdale. So he's.

[Jason]

He is officially on the part of the unashamed family.

[Zach]

He's part of the family now.

[Jason]

And John Luke as well. And John Luke has. Man, he hadn't been around Luke in a while. And he's. Because he's kind of nerdy. You know how he is. But he's. He's also sneaky, funny, and, like, there's strange. Strange. He's a strange man. But he's perfect. Yeah, he's perfect for the podcast.

[Christian Huff]

Not necessarily bad.

[Jason]

No, it's good. We're like. Dad used to say, the good thing about being around here, if you're weird. Weird is in. Yeah, so we're in. John 15. Tell us your favorite verse. Christian.

[Guest]

So my favorite verse of John 15. Yeah. John 15:5. I feel like this was a verse for me when I was in college, kind of coming out of my more so wild years. And so John 15:5 says, I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them will produce much fruit. For apart from me, you can do nothing. I love to talk about that idea of fruit because, you know, as believers, there are things that mark you. And if you look at Galatians 5, there's Acts of the sinful nature, then there's fruits of the spirit. And for my life, for a while, it was marked by the sinful nature. It was marked by all these certain things that weren't producing, you know, Positive, godly things, even though I was involved in church and all those things. And for me, you know, I think you can be in church, you can, you know, do the Bible studies, you can do all the things, but if you're not truly abiding in Christ, then you aren't going to bear the fruit like it talks about. And I thought that that last part, the apart from me, you can do nothing. And just thinking about times in my life where I tried to, you know, tried to produce fruit within my own strength. I tried to be more patient, I tried to have more self control. And it's really hard to do all those things without the Spirit. And when you truly encounter the Holy Spirit and he dwells in you, like we talked about the temple, a lot of temple motifs here lately, Zach. And yeah, if you're indwelt with that, you know, through confession, through repentance, producing that fruit like what John 15 talks about, it becomes a lot more natural than if you try to do it yourself.

[Jason]

I think you're right.

[Guest]

Apart from him, I could do nothing.

[Jason]

We're right in the middle of the discussion about the Holy Spirit. I mean, John is. Jesus is making the point you just made. And really it's the longest, most extended conversation about the Holy Spirit in the whole Bible really if you think about it, I mean, these three chapters and really you could even make a case for into 17 as well when he prays that prayer. So I think you're right on target. That's exactly what I mean.

[Christian Huff]

Maybe one John, which all of a sudden now we're looking like geniuses for saying we're going to go from John to first John. That's right, because I keep going to first John. I know it's the same language, but it really is about the Holy Spirit living in you.

[Jason]

And you think about it. Jason makes perfect sense that John now if we fast forwarded, probably, probably. I mean, depending on what scholars you listen to, at least 40 years in the future, but maybe even 50 or 60 years because he lived the oldest of, you know, because he didn't, he wasn't martyred like the rest were. Even he was martyred, but he wasn't killed. And, but he, I mean, so imagine him being at the end of his life having this look back of discussion. That's why there's so much wisdom in first, second, third child. I mean, no doubt about it.

[Christian Huff]

Exactly. Well, I went down a rabbit hole about three days ago and I just came out. I feel like I've been newborn here.

[Guest]

Seriously, were you In California. On your rabbit. On your rabbit.

[Christian Huff]

No. Now in California they call them bunny trails.

[Zach]

Bunny trails.

[Christian Huff]

Do they really just get. No, I just came out. I've heard people say that. I figured on the edges of America they probably call them bunny trails. I don't know where they.

[Jason]

But that sounds too fluffy, right? A rabbit hole sounds much more dangerous. I like the rabbit hole.

[Christian Huff]

It actually scared me because I started this on that four hour flight and I didn't write anything down, but I just noticed something from going to John to First John. So I'm going to recommend everyone do this at some point in their life. So next time you get, you know, a couple weeks downtime, because it'll probably take that long to do this. But because when we get to this section about when he says if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. When you read First John, the world, this, this term world keeps coming up.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Christian Huff]

And so my rabbit trail was. I read everywhere where world is used. What, what I found fascinating because you'd think, well, we all know what that means. Well, the world. But just think about how we express that. We use that word in various ways, many ways, you know, because we'll say like, well, in the duck hunting world. Yeah, well, what, what are we talking about? Like the world of duck hunting. And so that was kind of my thinking. I was like, I want to make sure. Why does he keep bringing this up? Which I counted 79 times in John, just John, the word world is used. And the most famous one is for.

[Jason]

God so loved the world.

[Zach]

For God so loved the world.

[Christian Huff]

Loved the world. What I found fascinating is there's about five themes that emerged and I didn't.

[Jason]

Write a few saying five different worlds.

[Christian Huff]

No, just like that's one. One is God loved the world. Okay, that, that, that comes up a couple times. He didn't come into the world, condemn it, or even judge it one time, but you save it.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

Even think about when John the Baptist said, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So that's another little theme in there. He came to deal with sin. But another theme that comes up is he keeps referring to the evil one as the ruler of this world, the.

[Jason]

Prince of this world.

[Christian Huff]

And another theme is that he came to bring light to this world. So there are others. But it's like once I read them all, you kind of see two worlds emerged. Now there's different ways you could use it. But it's like. And when you read all the verses in first John about it. It continues this theme. And so just to give you a.

[Jason]

For instance, he said, was it first John 2:15. Do not love them.

[Christian Huff]

Well, that's what I was going to read.

[Jason]

I want to read that Tiara Minds work, Christian Seeds.

[Christian Huff]

This is what I. Well, Al, because I don't know if you realize this, but in First John 3, he says the same thing about if the world hates you. He brings that up almost to the word.

[Jason]

Yeah. So when you win that level in Another section from 11, what I found.

[Christian Huff]

Fascinating is just to show you how this rabbit hole unfold. Look, I'm very excited about this. I'm going to spend the next month, just point to me and I'm going to say, look, there's a clash of.

[Jason]

Worlds, the war of the worlds.

[Christian Huff]

It is a war of the world because mainly two worlds emerge. And I'm going to be very careful on how I word this, because what I noticed is a lot of. As I went down this rabbit hole, I see where a lot of people took some of these things and kind of made their own religious doctrine out of it. And that's why it was so helpful to read all the work, all the verses, everywhere it was mentioned, because those same themes kept being the point. And I'm like, so once you get away from that, look, you're on your own. But that's what we do. You read a verse and it seems to imply one thing. And really the reason I did this is because when we read later on in John 15, when he says, if I hadn't come, they wouldn't be guilty of their sin. And where's that word? Before I read the first John 2, I want to read that. It's a very difficult verse. I was like, what is this about?

[Guest]

You know, John 15, 21, 22.

[Zach]

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[Christian Huff]

Yeah, Since I'm just introducing this concept today.

[Jason]

But you know why this happened? Because you, you. The reason this rabbit hole was so expansive is because you were seven miles above the earth when you started this process.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So that's what happened.

[Christian Huff]

Really close.

[Jason]

You got close to something far away from here.

[Christian Huff]

That's another word. Are you sleep deprived? I am.

[Jason]

I'm punch drunk. We've been doing this for four days.

[Christian Huff]

Well, I mean, look, look, you can see why. I mean, let me just read this because I think. 1 John 2 what I'm going to read will make more impact on you if I read this. So when he gets to 18, I mean this is right after verse 17 says this is my command to Christians point love each other.

[Jason]

Right.

[Christian Huff]

The fruit of the spirit.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Christian Huff]

And then it says if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world. And that word belonged is actually I looked this up because I among this rabbit trail I really want to get a handle of. What does he mean here by the world but belongs not in there. It's more just of the world. If you're Jesus came in the world, but then he says on multiple occasions, I'm not of the world. I'm in the world, but I'm not of the world.

[Jason]

Paul said the same thing.

[Christian Huff]

But that that key little phrase is going to mean a lot as we continue this as it goes on. If you belong to the world or if you're of the world, it would love you as its own. As it is you do not belong to the world, But I've chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Are you seeing why I went? I was like, whatever the world is, we need to figure that out.

[Jason]

What in the world?

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. And then he calls back to what you just read, jokingly. Remember the words I spoke to you. No servant is greater than his master. He had just said that in. What was that?

[Jason]

Yeah, back in 13.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. In 13.

[Jason]

Yeah. When you talked about servants.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. If they obey my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Well, that was perplexing to me. I thought, what kind of statement is that? They were guilty of sin. But he's now somehow saying that my presence on the earth has made them guilty of sin. So at first you're like, what does that mean? Do y' all want to opine? Because there is a clear answer to why he would say that. It is very clear. But I just. Do you want to try it?

[Zach]

When you say it like that, it makes it too risky because you've already got the answer.

[Christian Huff]

You ought to embarrass yourself.

[Zach]

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not gonna.

[Guest]

Come on.

[Zach]

I like Christian. I let Christian go for it. So you can.

[Christian Huff]

Well, I gave you the answer earlier, which is one of the themes is that he is the light of the world. Right after John 3:16, all of a sudden he says, I didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

[Jason]

And you're saying, if you don't.

[Guest]

People love the darkness.

[Jason]

Yeah. If you don't. If you don't realize you're in darkness, the light.

[Christian Huff]

See, the light has a. You know, because you think, well, what is the Greek word for world? Do y' all know?

[Jason]

I don't.

[Christian Huff]

Cosmos. Yes. That's something. We actually know what that means.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

Well, if you just do a little Google search and define cosmos, you will find all you need to know. That's very biblical, because it's like. Well, it's. It's this revealing of everything, you know, light into darkness. I mean, so I just.

[Jason]

I just saw just a snippet as I was channel surfing last night of a movie. It's called Pitch Black. Remember, Vin Diesel was in it.

[Christian Huff]

Yep.

[Jason]

And there was. The scene I saw is so funny because it illustrates this perfectly what Jay's is talking about, because, like, all of a sudden, a light comes on and there's like these monsters, these creatures all around this person. But when. Until that light went off, you didn't know they were there. And then all of a sudden, it's like. As soon as you saw that light, it was like, whoa. Because this person had, you know, 50 monsters within touching distance of the thing. And it's very. It was a very frightening scene. I thought, oh, that looks bad, and kept going. But that's exactly what this is.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. It's like the fundamental meaning of consciousness. Cosmos is linked to order, harmony, structure, standing in contrast to chaos, the entire universe, emphasizing its complex and unified nature. It's also.

[Jason]

That's his cosmos definition.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah, but there's something about color in there. You know, recognizing. Seeing it as the work. Like you're in. The concept of light is kind of under that, because it's like. It's the visible and invisible understanding of what this order is that you're now in this structure. So you're like. And now we also believe that that just came from nothing. I mean, even the word. Just defining the word leads you to some kind of intelligent design, whether you believe it or not. I mean, I just read you the definition. Where did the. And structure. And where'd that all come from?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

So. But anyway, so to answer the question about why would he say that they wouldn't be guilty? This is. This is amazing. And we. We went through John 1, but I didn't notice this little. Little caveat verse. So in verse three, he says, through him all things were made. So what is the cosmos now? He doesn't. The word. The word world is not in that verse three. But you're understanding that. Okay, he made everything. And it says nothing was made without him. Nothing was made that has been made. It's pretty much everything.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

And the reason I'm reading that is because. Watch, in verse four, it says, in him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. But I think us as Christians, we're thinking, oh, well, that's the people that accept him, that he was the light. Well, the ones that accepted. But verse nine says the true light. He was talking about John the Baptist, who wasn't the light, but he said he was just pointing to the real light. And so then verse nine, speaking of Jesus, the true light that gives light to every man. And look, the same word. Every. I looked it up in the Greek, is the same word that he just said in verse three. All things.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

So people say every man, every man, the true light that gives light to every man was coming. You see that coming into the world, the cosmos. So you're like, well, how does that work? Because it exposes whether you embrace him or not. It exposes where you're at. Jesus is the standard, the light. It's like a big flashlight from God. And we know, which is why he.

[Jason]

Could say that he didn't come to convict, but to save.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Jason]

Because that's what light does. So I'm saying. I mean, it's in its purity. He's saying, if you're lost, if you don't know me, then that's. That's on you now, because here I am.

[Christian Huff]

Well, see, that's why 3:19 says, this is the judgment.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Christian Huff]

Light has come into the world. But men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. It kind of goes back to the garden. What's the first thing when the evil one comes up, who's now become the prince of this world, the ruler? It's the first thing they do. Well, they run and hide and try to cover up because now they've been exposed. It says they realized they were naked.

[Jason]

Yeah. It's like the light bulb went off.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. And they're looked down and thought, well, because now you have this knowledge of good and evil, and you couldn't handle that. Right. So then it says, 3:20, everyone who does evil hates the light. Which is. That's the same verbiage that he's using now in John 15. Well, the world's going to hate you here.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

Why? Because you're. As the Father sent me. Jesus would say, I'm sending you. When you get to John 17, which is another theme that came out of this world because he sent Jesus into the world. But then he turns around after introducing the Holy Spirit, and he's like, now I'm sending you. That's why the world's going to hate you, because it hated me. You're exposing men's evil behavior, which John 3 continues to say, but whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be seen plainly. What he has done has been done through God, which gets back to you. Apart from me, you can do nothing.

[Jason]

So, Jase, you have your little. Your little dogs there.

[Christian Huff]

They're my guard dog.

[Jason]

There's a little fence. Is a fence still up in there to keep them?

[Christian Huff]

They may weigh a total combined weight of five pounds, but they're vicious. They bark when intruders are there. But one of the things I've noticed since I've been sprinkling a little rough greens on their dog food is they love to shake their booty when I do that. So they're excited about it.

[Jason]

Edits and dog language that is love. I know exactly what you're talking about because I've been home for a couple of weeks, which is unusual to be home this long for me. And so mine line up. You know, there's four of them in the compound. They line up every day. I don't know about the booty shaking with mine. They're bigger, but they definitely are excited when they get their rough greens. And I have noticed their coats are much healthier and they're just happier. Three things I know about our dogs, we love them like their family. They're our most loyal friends, and sadly, they don't live as long as we'd like them to. 50% of all dogs over the age of 10 die from cancer. And the leading cause of that cancer is the food that they're being fed. So our old friend Dennis Black, who's the founder of Rough Greens, he came and visited with Zach and I and explained this product, and it's really great. And I love what he says. He said, I can't promise your dog won't pass away, but I do promise to make him happier and healthier while they're here. Ruff Greens is full of live nutrients that your pup needs to fight off skin, joint and digestive problems, and yes, even cancer. With live vitamins, probiotics, enzymes, omega oils and antioxidants, ruffgreens has all the live nutrition your pup needs to stay happy and healthy. That's why it's America's number one dog supplement. So here's what we want you to do. Go fetch a free Jump Start trial bag for your dog today. Just cover shipping and see the difference live nutrition can make in your dog. Try it before you buy it, go to ruffgreens.com and use the discount code unashamed. That's R U f f greens.com discount code unashamed.

[Guest]

Well, also too, if you read Ephesians 5, 10, 14 carefully determine what pleases the Lord. Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness. Instead, expose them. It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them. For the light makes everything visible.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah, exactly. Everything visible. So that's why he makes that statement. That doesn't seem to make sense. But no. He then continues in John 15, which I didn't read all of that, where he says, you know, if I hadn't came and spoken, you wouldn't be guilty of sin. Then the next sentence. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. He's here. Yeah, he's revealed. This is what God is like. These are the expectations. I've demonstrated it. He who hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. I just think it's such an interesting concept because we tend to think, oh, well, we sin. He came down, he's going to do something about it. Yeah, well, the first thing he did was expose it and give you an opportunity to move on it. Because he's like, now you have no excuse. I'm here. I did what I did. And you can't go too far on this earth without encountering somebody that Jesus is Lord. Just think about it. Even the people. What were all the missions that we do? We're sending people over to these third world countries and it's all being exposed. That's kind of what we're doing now, which I find fascinating.

[Zach]

Well, you got the two different worlds here, another way of saying two different kingdoms, right? You have the kingdom of God, and then you have the kingdom of man. And inside the kingdom of man, there's a lot of little kingdoms. Like I've got my own little personal kingdom, Zack's kingdom, my house, my family, my domain. And the difference, when you think about the separation of that, that was something that happened at the fall. So it happened in Genesis chapter three, when they ate the fruit that they weren't supposed to eat of. And then that was the moment when the worlds separated, when God's world, which you could call the sacred world, was then separated. And this new thing happened called the secular world. So there was a divide of the secular and the sacred. So one of the things that you're seeing here that's exposed in the text is that the secular world cannot please God. And so that's why. Because the reason why is because it hates God. It doesn't want to commune with the world that God made with him. It's an autonomous. I'm on my own. I'm doing this by myself. And I think what we're going through Exodus, or we're going to be going through Exodus in the unashamed with hill cell on Fridays. And what you're going to See in there is that the problem was that Israel was trying to continue to do the thing on their own, and they could never fulfill the law and their own righteousness. They continued to fall on their face time and time and time again, over and over and over. They rejected God. He does something amazing, overwhelms them with his glory. They're in it for a minute, but then they're out. And they're in it for a minute, then they're out. It's just, this isn't going to work. So by the time you get here, this is like at the end of kind of their whole history. Because the way that the Hebrew Bible ends is like, you got an issue. You need a temple. And Cyrus is like, I'm going to build you a temple. Jesus shows up on the scene, and his point here is that he is going to send us a helper to reunite these worlds. And to Christian's point, at the beginning of the podcast, he went to Galatians 5 and mentioned the fruit of the Spirit. The thing about the fruit, though, is that it is the fruit of the Spirit. So you can't produce the fruit on your own. That's the problem. Because you're in the world and the world hates God. The world just hates God. It doesn't want to eat the fruit with God. So it's like. So it has a different kind of fruit that it's yielding and it's not the fruit of the Spirit. The only way you're going to get the fruit of the Spirit is to actually be in the Spirit. So I think that's how Jesus is setting this whole thing up. And it's really kind of the most important part of his ministry, is that he's sending us the Holy Spirit after his departure.

[Guest]

Well, going through Exodus, and you just kind of talked about it with the two worlds. We've been talking about Zion and Sinai and those two mountains. And I cannot remember what scripture we were talking about. I think maybe it was Paul I was talking about it, that you saw the Contrast between Galatians 4, Galatians 4.

[Zach]

Hebrews 12.

[Jason]

Yeah, it gives you both of those pictures. And what's interesting is. And people miss it. This is such a good point about the idea about. Because even today, they'll say, well, you know, I just, you know, I know my life's just not in a good place. And they'll say, you know, I've started trying to read my Bible more and. And I started going back to church. And they'll tell you the things they're doing to then somehow have a better life. And immediately my thought process is, if the Holy Spirit is not driving this, it's not in you. If the light's not there, then you can do all the ancillary things you want to do. It's not going to change. I mean, you'll feel a little better, but it doesn't change you. It doesn't. You're still in the wrong world.

[Zach]

But what do we typically do, though? We typically say, I'm gonna. I just gotta love better, I gotta love more. I gotta be patient. I gotta do that. I gotta do. We actually take the fruit of the spirit and we turn it into a work. And then we think that it's something we have to conjure up. And then we try to conjure it up, but you can't. And then at the underneath it all, you realize this is a big, like, virtue signal. Yeah, I don't actually possess these things. I don't have this fruit. I imagine, like I had this fruit, but I don't have it. And then what happens? Like in a marriage, for example, I'm just going to love my wife. I'm going to muster up and do it. And then all of a sudden, your real emotion or desire or affection, it always boils out, always bubbles to the top. And you're like, where did that come from? Well, that's what's actually in your heart. So. Well, how do I get out of that? I don't want that in me. Well, that's when you submit to the spirit. And that is where I think the rhythms of life and the training. The Bible says the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. What does that mean? Well, that's being led by the spirit, by constant use. The spirit will train us. We're training ourselves by submission to him to be able to look at what is true and what is not true, what is good and what is evil. And as you get in that rhythm over and over and over again, you're led by the spirit. You actually start to see your affections change because you actually see the lie, the evil and coming in and. Yeah, wait, that's not. That's evil, that's gross. I don't want that.

[Jason]

I was going to say, is that. Sorry. Interrupt you that before we were. Came on air to talk, Jason was talking about a situation where he had to do the right thing and. But that comes about because you have the Holy Spirit of God in you. You know what I'm saying? Like the conviction of doing the right thing is because the spirit is saying my. That's. Don't. Don't go there. And part of you, like, wants to do something. But you know. You know. You know in your spirit.

[Zach]

Well, because you go back 25 or 30 years ago, maybe that Jace would have been like. That's pretty tempting.

[Christian Huff]

It wasn't a temptation. But, you know, a brother in the church asks, you know. Or I wouldn't say ask. Set a scenario.

[Guest]

Implied something.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. That it's not right. Yeah. So I did the godly thing, which.

[Jason]

Is ignore it because it was via notice and dismiss.

[Christian Huff]

But I will say this. When I do see that person in person, I will speak the truth in love.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

You will be using my phrase carefully because I think that's what Jesus did. The light. The reason the light was shining is he was speaking truth in love. Which is a common theme of First John. Which is where I wanted to get.

[Jason]

Which is a really good point. That speaking the truth in love is not always a pleasant conversation. Many times it's unpleasant. It's very difficult because it's a light that shines.

[Christian Huff]

That's why I'm going to wait till it's. Because text can be easily misunderstood.

[Jason]

Exactly.

[Christian Huff]

But when you're looking at a man in the eye. Yeah. And you're like, we as Jesus, people do not do things that the world does. That's right.

[Jason]

That's good. So, Zach, I don't know if you're getting this as much as me, but there were people saying, zach, you're looking great. Where's the rest of you? Are you getting any of that? Since you lost a few.

[Zach]

Man, you have really trimmed up. You look healthier. I said I am healthier. I've been on the PhD plan.

[Jason]

And how much have you lost?

[Zach]

I lost 38 pounds. That was my target. I hit my target and I've been just maintaining.

[Jason]

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[Zach]

You know, it's funny, I was thinking, that song we used to sing, I looked at the lyrics to it because there's two different things happening here you really want to think about. If you were just to boil this down, what is the role of the Holy Spirit? It is to draw you into our Father's world. And you remember that song we used to sing, this is My Father's World. Yeah, I was just thinking.

[Jason]

That'S it.

[Zach]

Yep, he does. And to my listening ears all nature sings. And round these rings the music of the spheres. This is my Father's world. I rest me in the thought of rocks and trees, of skies and seas, his hands, the wonders rot. And you read that and you think, man, that is the complete opposite. But it's kind of similar to the sin of the Gentiles that Paul talks about in Galatians. I mean, I'm sorry, in Romans 1, their problem was that they would look at the creation and they worshiped it. Well, in this song, which I think is a beautiful hymn, it wasn't an escape from the physical world. I rest my thought, he says, of rocks and trees and skies and seas. But his hands, the wonders made this. So you're actually seeing it and you're not. Just like, you're not escaping it. You're just putting it in the context of, wait a second, my Father made this. And. And I think that that leads us into. Into a really embodied spirituality, which is what I think the Lord Jesus is calling us into.

[Christian Huff]

True. But my point is, like, you could also sing that song. This was my Father's world because a world was created within the world. What you're talking about rocks and all. That's why I said, yeah, the word world is tricky. It's tricky the way we use it. Because I'm going to prove to you in First John 2, because he, John writes here, the Father washed his hands of what we created in cahoots with the evil one. As far as that world, I'm going to read it. I Read this several times over and over. I'd never noticed it because that's another.

[Jason]

Thing in defense of us not knowing something happened in another place that produced this person.

[Christian Huff]

Well, this world. But now before, because there's been a few things said from Yalls discussion that I want to push back on a little bit because even though we have this world that I'm going to offer as that we created after I read this verse, because it's like John says, the Father had nothing to do with that. I will say though, there are things that are happening in that world that God is working, that is moving and I even believe from people that are not following him right now. I know we just read apart from me, you can do nothing. But I think when you see a guy, let's say he doesn't believe in Jesus and he risks his life to save a kid, you're like, well where'd that come from? Where'd that kind of love? Because that's an act of love. I mean we're fixed to define that. Well, you see it all the time. Or let's just say somebody comes up with a vaccine over whether that's saving lives or whatever. Now are we going to say he just got lucky or was God somehow not working in that? So that's a totally different discussion for another day. But I'm saying when you look at it as a whole, if God wasn't working in this world, this is my Father's world in some ways, well, we would already be extinct, right?

[Jason]

But yeah, remove him out and see what happens.

[Christian Huff]

So I think when you read this world that we created, that he, sin is going to hate you. I think it's still under an umbrella of a general analysis of the world of sin and death is what I'm getting at.

[Zach]

So where are you disagreeing with us?

[Christian Huff]

Well, I'm disagreeing as in to say the whole thing is complete, there's no God in that world. You know, he's going to come in, he is working in the world even though the evil one is the Prince of this world. That's what is that John 12 several times.

[Jason]

Yeah, we 2 Corinthians 4:4.

[Christian Huff]

The God of this world has blinded the minds of unbeliever.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I'm not. I don't think we're disagreeing because I'm not saying it's the physical world. The physical world has been corrupted, but it's not. I'm talking about it's the way that we interact with the physical world.

[Christian Huff]

I think I was Pushing back when you said, it's like the verse you read apart from me, you can do nothing, which is true. But then it kind of got tied to the world. It's like the world has to hate God. Like, in all. If you look at that as everybody's hating God. Everybody's hating everybody. Well, no, I'm looking around, you know, and I am seeing some glimpses. I mean, granted, they're rare, but we.

[Jason]

Did talk about that Greek word for hate. Being loved less as much.

[Christian Huff]

Exactly. So I was only pushing back in, like, making the whole thing like it's completely absent of God. And I think, well, that's what you got.

[Zach]

You got what's called. Yeah, you got. There's a term called common grace where essentially is like, even the rain. Even rains on the. On the reprobate. They still get the rain, and they still get. And so our very existence is. Is sustained by God, whether you're evil or not.

[Christian Huff]

What verse is that? That common grace?

[Zach]

What verse is it? It's not. Oh, you're doing the whole thing where you.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Zach]

That whole thing.

[Christian Huff]

I just feel bad.

[Jason]

There actually is a verse that says the rain falls on both of them.

[Christian Huff]

It is.

[Zach]

Yeah. I thought that if you applied that. Honestly, you can't say anything then, because everything you just said, I could say. Now. Where's that exact verse?

[Christian Huff]

No, that's not what the Bible. I was kid.

[Jason]

Is this what y' all do on this? Yeah.

[Christian Huff]

Christian, we have to stop Bible study and then put everything into a category.

[Guest]

I get it. No, when you were talking, I was thinking of First Corinthians 13 when it talks about love, and, you know, the noisy gong or clanging symbol, and it says, if you don't have love, you. You are nothing.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Which kind of ties into the.

[Christian Huff]

I can get on board with. Yeah. Because I do think that is the point. Whenever you see love in any capacity.

[Jason]

That came from God, you've been making that point for us on the podcast.

[Christian Huff]

It is absolutely clear to the point when he said in First John 4. Nine, when he's like, this is love, not that you love God.

[Jason]

Yeah, exactly.

[Christian Huff]

You're like, well, what. I thought that was the whole goal. I'm supposed to love God. He's like, no, that I loved you and sent my son. All love originates from God. And you see random acts of love, even though it may not be a voice believer. I mean, you just see that in our world. And I'm like, well, God's working here in some capacity.

[Jason]

And Jesus said, that's the main criteria.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah.

[Jason]

He plainly said, the prince of this world, the evil one, has no law. He's a murderer, he's a liar. From the beginning, there is no love with him.

[Guest]

Well, he said, you will know that you are my disciples. By the way, you love other people.

[Christian Huff]

Well, that's where I'm headed.

[Guest]

That's the main criteria, is that you love people.

[Christian Huff]

Yeah. Love is a sign that there is a God. We're out of time. I never even read the first John 2. I never got there. Well, can I just read The First John 2?

[Jason]

Read it and then we'll pick it up on the next.

[Christian Huff]

Pick it up. So I'll just skip over all the. What was leading to this first John 2? 50. No, it's too long. Do not love the world or anything in the world. Well, what world we talking about? We don't know now because I didn't have time to set it up. If anyone loves the world now, I want you to don't miss. Miss this. The love of the Father. The love of the Father is not in him. So we got two worlds here. Ones that are loving the Father and ones that are loving the world. For everything in the world. The cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boast in what he has and does. Here's the key phrase. Comes not from the Father. Well, if it's not coming from the Father, I thought he created the world. He didn't create that world because he's like. That didn't come from me. I don't know how else you could apply that comes not from the Father but from the world. It's like the world created a world. The world that God created created a world where this stuff came out. So then it says the world and its desires pass away. This thing's. Psst. But the man who does the will of God, and I would make a case, is the love of the Father. And for the Father lives forever. Lives forever.

[Jason]

Dun, dun, dun. All right, we're going to pick it up right there. Christian, you may have to stay.

[Christian Huff]

Where did it come from? So I'm going to make the point. So God entered that world in Jesus, and then he left his Holy Spirit in that world within a world.

[Jason]

All right, that's good. We'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode out.