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Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1167 | Jase Goes Toe-to-Toe with a Pro Chef & Trusting Jesus When the World Hates You
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Jase Robertson
I am unashamed. What about you?
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Al Robertson
Welcome back to Unashamed. We just finished recording the kind of our thoughts on Charlie Kirk and everything that that went on this past week. And so, you know, we're still kind of in that thought processing mode. I think of talking about that. But it was also a travel week, big trial week for us. We were all over the country and Jason mentioned a little bit of that in the last podcast. I was headed to Missouri to speak this past week and it was really interesting because so we were traveling on 9 11, which is the day after Charlie was assassinated. And you know, that would have been a heavy enough thing anyway. In fact we were at the airport and and I ran into. I don't know if you guys. Do you guys know Josh and Ally Taylor?
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Zach Williams
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
Yeah. Great young family, amazing story. And they were on their way to do an event. They speak and tell about what God has done in their lives and their marriage. Ally has had cancer since she was very young and so it's impacted them in so many ways, but they've just been so God honoring through the process and there were times when they were told they couldn't have children and these type things were all four of their girl, they have four girls and they were with them on this trip and when they were coming in, you know, we saw them because we speak at a lot of the same events. So they do a lot of pro life stuff too. And so it was really great to actually run into them. The airport kind of like you and Willie Jay and. But they're just like, it looked like Zach, your crew, I would guess maybe a few years ago. It's just like a circus moving through because you got the car seats, the strollers.
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Zach Williams
I know that feels. Yeah.
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Al Robertson
The bags, the, you know, trying to keep everybody in line. The little, the littlest one runs through the radar, or not radar, but the X ray machine. Too quick. So it was just, you know, we were kind of helping them, kind of grandparenting there with them, and it was really great just to see them. And they were on their way to an event and they were going to go to D.C. first and spend some time just with their kids and their family. And so Josh sends me a text when we get on the plane and they're sitting way, way in the back, which is probably good with all the kiddos. But they. He sent me a text and said, I just realized we're flying on 9 11. And I was like, no, I mean like that would have been a much, you know, more scary situation even just a decade ago, just the thought of that. But I think it also reminded me of just what the week. It was so impactful because this was 9 11, which was 24 years ago. You know, I had this 3,000 plus people killed with this idea of hate and the, the two worlds colliding. Jace, as we've been talking about, and the day before, we kind of experienced it again with one life, but the same tragedy, the same shock, the same like realizing this was something that could be a difference maker. So. But Josh sent me a text this morning and said, you know, at the event we spoke at last night, he said the audience was so inspired and it inspired me. And he said I was probably bolder than I've ever been in front of an audience. So I was just texting him back. I was like, I think we're all kind of feeling that, you know, know in the moment that it just kind of an extra bit of inspiration in people and in people like us that go out and try to point them to Jesus.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, there's no doubt. We didn't really get into the stories of it all, but I, I did the same event. I think they, they asked me to do it because my dad had done this event in Lancaster, South Carolina, 13 years ago. Of course, you know, he. He died this year. And so they reached out to me, which there, there was one interesting thing about this. They actually had sa who doesn't really do events the next year. And so when I got up, I Said, okay, you have my dad. Then you had SA. Then there was a 12 year break from whatever happened when SAI got up.
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Al Robertson
Before somebody else got a shot.
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Jase Robertson
Y. Like, so I get it, he's crazy. But Al, you brought up 9, 11. So, you know, we travel. It was pretty much all day traveling. So we get to. They had a stay in me and my assistant, which is Mrs. Aunt, at an inn, which I thought was weird because they kept. I was like, hotel. And they're like, no, it's an inn. So we pull up and there's no one at the inn. And doors were locked.
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Al Robertson
I thought you were going to say there's no room at the end.
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Jase Robertson
No, there was just no one there and the doors were locked. And so the people that gave us a ride who were working with the event, they were like, well, do y' all want to come hang out at the church building? And I was like, well, there's some chairs on this porch. I think we should just hang out on the porch and y' all go do whatever y' all gotta do. So that's what we did for a couple of hours because it was real nice. This. This home, which I found out later, was built in the year 1800. And it was moved to this spot, which. And it kind of reminded me of our place that we use at Logtown Estate for wedding venues and those kind of things, which at the same time that I'm doing this event Missy was doing, she has a mentor event where she invites, I think. I don't know what the exact number is. 13 or 14 young women. And just has a weekend Bible study. Their ages, like 22 to 29 or something like that at our old place. So finally this guy shows up after a couple hours. And he was from the Netherlands, I believe he was Dutch.
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Al Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And his name was Johannes. And.
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Al Robertson
But he got the frequent flyer award for your event.
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Jase Robertson
The reason I'm telling you this story is he's a chef. And he said, I'm from New York. Well, he worked at that time was the. In the twin towers. He worked at the restaurant on top of one of the towers. Wow. And look, the only reason he's alive today is he was interested in buying this house. And so he was covering that, you know, trying to buy this house. And he. He said a line that was just profound. He said, I mean, this house saved my life. And so this is what I do now. He turned it into a bed breakfast. He said, I'm saving its life. And it was just. I was like, well, you can't make this up and this time of year. But I will say this. Of all the places I've ever traveled, of all the food I've ever eaten. When we went down there for breakfast, I had no idea that was the number one breakfast I've ever eaten because I tried to make my way into the kitchen, but. But Johannes, I guess it's just the life of a chef. He's like, oh, no, you're not allowed in the kitchen. I was like, well, I was trying to make me some coffee here. He's like, I'll make you the coffee head. Kind of a thick accent. And I think I made him nervous, but just because I was like, well, I want to see you work. And he's like, no, that's not allowed. You sit, I will bring. And so he.
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Zach Williams
Did you order or.
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Jase Robertson
He told me, oh, no, he had it already prepared. That's what I said. I said, well, where's the menu? And he said, oh, no, I will provide the food for you.
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Zach Williams
You.
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Jase Robertson
You will like it.
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Al Robertson
They call that Chef's choice Jeff, and they're usually the best.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I pushed back because I was like, you realize I'm from Louisiana. And he said, well, I knew you were from somewhere south. I guess he was noticing my accent. So he brought out this kind of limber, lemon flavored muffins. And I said, I'm really not a muffin guy. And he said, oh, you will love this. He was right. He had a.
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Zach Williams
You love the lemon muffins.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, fantastic. I ate it and I said, do you have another one back there? And some fresh strawberries. So I thought that was the breakfast which would have been good enough for me. And no, he. Then he brought out the main course, which he had eggs that were cooked in a way. He said the word. It started with an S. I'd never heard it before. No, not started with an S. Yeah, P.
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Al Robertson
For such a smart man, you.
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Zach Williams
Know what happened there? I was anticipating what it was and then you. But as soon as I was like.
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Al Robertson
As soon as I get it, I just.
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Jase Robertson
He didn't say scrambled. I thought you were going to say that. It wasn't that it wasn't fried, it wasn't poached. It wasn't. No, it wasn't Scottish. He said a word that I've never heard, so it must be a Dutch thing. But whatever that was was fantastic. I mean, had a little seasoning, had three different kinds of cheeses melted in there somehow another. And. And they were kind of big eggs and bacon that Was cooked to perfection. But it was enough for like two. Two men, two grown.
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Zach Williams
Was it shired may have been that.
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Jase Robertson
That's that.
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Al Robertson
You look that up.
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Jase Robertson
Or soft boiled or was it soft.
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Zach Williams
Or souffle or scotch maybe?
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Jase Robertson
He said souffle A. That could have been it. They were kind of. They look kind of like a giant muffin with all. They were like compact. But look, you know, Hugh, because he had cheeses in there. And trying to get somebody who cooks.
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Al Robertson
Somebody who cooks is listening to our podcast. Is screaming the answer out there.
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Zach Williams
I'm going to go with souffle because.
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Jase Robertson
Maybe so because that.
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Zach Williams
That's eggs separated and whipped so that the whites create a fluffy structure. Baked until puffed.
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Jase Robertson
That was it. That was it. Souffle eggs, fantastic with the cheeses. And then he had some kind of seasoning that was different. But he had enough black pepper in there to keep me in, you know, I mean, as I ate this, I thought, man, I mean, it was absolutely fantastic.
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Al Robertson
So, Jase, our dearly departed dad, used to motivate people to lose weight by saying, if you can't fit through the.
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Jase Robertson
Door or lay off the honey buns.
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Al Robertson
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Jase Robertson
So that I forgave him for making us sit on the porch two hours, which actually was nice. The weather was cool. It was. It was awesome. And you got to remember, you know, we were processing this with the Charlie Kirk. And because I was just physically nausea, I didn't really eat that day very much. And so that next day, you know, I whipped up quite the hunger.
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Al Robertson
Well, we flew days into. Into Columbia, Missouri, which is the home of the Missouri Tigers from the sec. And they actually had a game that weekend, so it was kind of made everything crowded. But we were actually speaking about maybe 30 miles away, a little town called Fulton, Missouri, and wonderful people there at this little Christian church who took such great care of us. And so we spoke on Friday night and did our testimony, which is kind of how we do our marriage stuff. And the next day we do some teaching. And so we were standing before we got up the first time, back at our book table, just selling a few books and meeting some folks that we didn't get to meet the night before. And this couple came up and. And we're talking to us, and I kept looking at this guy. So I said, I had Maddie send you a picture. So him in the black shirt is when I saw him first. And so he. He was dressed normal. But we're talking.
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Jase Robertson
Well, I was sending a text saying, should. Should we talk about this? Because I got a picture. I was not on my phone. I was like, oh, this is from Al.
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Al Robertson
Yeah, this is for me. So. And we'll show it to the audience. But this. So he's in this black, you know, shirt and pants, but he's a big guy. But whereas we're talking, he didn't say anything. Finally, I said, dude, has anybody ever said, you look exactly like Andy Reid? And. And of course, I'm not realizing we're only two hours away from Kansas City. And he laughed, and when he laughed, he sounded like Andy Reid. Then I said, are you Andy Reid? And he said, no in his name. It was so.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, it's not. It's not Andy.
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Zach Williams
Oh, I thought that was him.
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Al Robertson
It's not him. This man's name is Matt Black.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, but.
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Al Robertson
But here, catch this.
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Jase Robertson
He.
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Al Robertson
So then they start telling his story. He is Andy Reid. Stand in on all those state foreign commercials, like, you kidding me? I'm not kidding you.
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Jase Robertson
So, like, should you be revealing this?
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Al Robertson
Oh, yeah. He talks about it openly and. And He's. And he's friends with Andy. So. So. So anyway, we go in and we're doing. So I said, I can't believe this. So I take this picture with him. He takes a picture with me, and we go in and I start speaking. And I said, I just want to say, man, thank you, Andy Reid, for being here today, because I know you got a big game tomorrow. We're all pulling for you, Coach. And I never said anything else where the crowd all thinks it's him. So. So, like, after we finish teaching, they all rush back there to take their picture with him, because I just. I just kind of said it tongue in cheek. Well, he goes out after we wrap the whole event and puts on the garb, because that's what he does. He does, like, videos and stuff like this. And his. His thing is called Almost Andy Reid, and that's how he signs his cards, which is really cool. But he is the nicest man. They came for our marriage refresh because they love our podcast and they love our family. And so it was really a cool thing because it almost felt like you met somebody famous, although he really wasn't. But.
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Jase Robertson
But he.
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Al Robertson
He comes in. So he's.
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Zach Williams
So both pitchers are.
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Jase Robertson
Him.
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Zach Williams
The ones with the cheese.
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Jase Robertson
You had convinced me in a short period of time. I thought we were fixing to hear some kind of. I am. Second Andy Reid promot.
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Zach Williams
Yeah, the truth is, the headset should have gave it away. He's wearing a headset, right?
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Al Robertson
Why would he be doing that? But let me tell you this, Zach, good eye there. That is actually Andy Reid's headset that he gave to Matt. And because they're friends, like, now, he. He's. He stands in for him and does all these things. Isn't it amazing? Here's what's funny. So they're really interested, Matt and his wife about PhD because now Andy Reid is losing weight, and so now he's got a problem.
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Jase Robertson
He's got a problem. You gotta go with it.
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Al Robertson
He's. He's gotta go. So they were like, tell us about PhD. I was like, well, here we go. So it was so funny. But they were. These people were wonderful. And I just love this guy because he. He took it in stride. Like, he just. He knows he looks like him, and obviously he. He has a whole nother job. Like, he sells food and he's a vice president for this company, but he just does this on the side. But they were driving back to Kansas City to go to the game, so he goes game dressed like that. Picture with the headset and everything and then takes pictures with people in the stands and. And some of them are like, are you really him? And he's like, no, he's down there on the sideline. Look down.
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Jase Robertson
That's funny. I don't care who you are.
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Al Robertson
It was awesome. It was just such a blessing.
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Jase Robertson
I have one other story before we get to the Bible. You know, it. It was heavy. We. We all said that our intensity of. Was ratcheted up. Even my first speech, I wasn't real happy with because I think I was so intense that I don't use notes. And I just had no idea. It was like I was so bottled up. And I just went out there and exploded and I never even looked at the time. And so obviously I went over. But I made some adjustments the second night, but there was just so many people in tears and. And it just seemed more than usual. But even on the plane when I was coming back. So me and Bonnie, we sit down and the male steward, flight attendant, he leaned in and I mean, look, I hate to just kind of tell you how he looked, but I feel like you need to know because I just. When I looked at him, I wasn't thinking, oh, he's a fan of the podcast, or he just didn't look like. It's kind of like, kind of the way I felt the night my wife went on the first date with me. I just thought, not too sure this is going to work out, you know, I just felt, well, she just seemed more sophisticated. I kind of took a look at myself and thought, this is not going to work. She. She's. I'm too country, I look too rough. But Anyway, he had two earrings on and I'd say he's a 60 year old man, but he just, he seemed neat and everything was in order. He just didn't seem like someone who would be. Who would know who I am, I guess is a better way to say it. But he leaned in toward me and he said, at some point in this flight, can I be unprofessional? Well, I looked at Bonnie because I.
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Al Robertson
Thought, what does that mean?
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Jase Robertson
I didn't know what that meant. Do y' all know what that means?
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Al Robertson
Yeah, I know. He said, he's gonna take.
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Jase Robertson
So I said, she looked at me like kind of. Her eyes got big because he couldn't see her eyes. He's looking at me and I thought, okay, she's got nothing. So I said, well, I'm not sure I understood you. And he said, at some point in this Flight. Can I be unprofessional?
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Al Robertson
He spoke slower.
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Jase Robertson
And I. I just apologized. I said, look, I apologize. I have no idea what you're talking about. And he looked at Bonnie and he said, do you know what I'm talking about? And she said, no, I really don't. And he's like, well, I would like to do something with you because I know who you are. And she then said, oh, well, I'll schedule it. She's my assistant. I thought that was the funniest line of the whole conversation.
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Al Robertson
Get back to me when take off.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, I'll get back to you. So he said, okay. So he went back, started, you know, getting people drinks or, you know, what they do. And I said, I'll schedule it. She's like, I'm thinking. And so then a minute.
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Zach Williams
She was buying time. She was trying.
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Jase Robertson
A minute later, she said, okay, I got it. I'll cue you. And I was like, I feel like I'm. I've stepped off into bizarro. I was like, but I'll take the queue. Okay.
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Al Robertson
I was.
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Jase Robertson
I was a little frustrated. And so then once we got up to the height. Yeah. Cruising altitude. She said, okay, here's the plan. I'm going to go to the bathroom, and that way he can sit here and take a selfie. And I thought, oh, that's the schedule. And she's like, yeah. I was like, well, great. So she did. So here's where the reason I'm telling you this story, when he sat down, he just burst into tears. And I mean broken. As in, it was because I was in first class just for reasons that I can get to my destination and not miss. You know, I'm not apologizing for it. That's just how it works. And everyone was noticing it. And I was like, what's wrong? And so he started talking about my dad. He started talking about Charlie Kirk. He started talking about his life. Wow. And we had a really good Jesus conversation for five minutes. Then we took the selfie. And I just thought that captured kind of the way people felt in this moment. I mean, he's obviously a believer in God and had this conversation, but, you know, we just needed it. So then when Bonnie came back, she's like, well, I looked at him to say, how'd it go? And she said, he was a mess. I said, oh, you have no idea. But I said, you know, I think it was a God thing. And I think even the people who saw that thought it was a beautiful thing. And I wanted to share that Because I think this is why the kingdom of God is the greatest kingdom on earth. And this is what something catastrophic happened. But to us, look, death is not only not a problem, it's actually promised by Jesus in the very verses we're reading and will continue, people give their lives. And no matter what you want to say or how you want to spin it, this guy was unashamed of sharing Jesus and went into hostile environments and was very clear. His number one priority was that Jesus Christ is Lord of heaven and earth, and that moves people. That's evidence that there is a God and we're a part of something that is the greatest thing on earth.
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Al Robertson
You know, it's funny, Jason, when you tell that story, which is a beautiful story, I spend so much time on airplanes and airports, and even in one of our. One of mine, Lisa's teaching moments that we have, we talk about respecting other people and the importance of that. Of course, we're in a marriage context, but, you know, Job is making the point in job 31 that he treats people respect respectfully, no matter where he's at. And I always use air travel as my example of how disrespectful people treat one another.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
And I mean, it's inside, it's the gate agent, it's passengers, it's on the plane, it's with flight attendants, it's one passenger to another and you bump in the back of my seat, it's whatever. And you know, just all the videos you see, of course, are, you know, mostly they go viral, are terrible things, and people treating each other terribly in these settings. And I always explain the reason why is because it's a high pressure situation. People don't really want to fly, but you have to, to get to places. People don't really want to work there and deal with it because now it's just this almost like moving people like cattle in and out. Oh, yeah.
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Jase Robertson
It's all built on frustration.
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Al Robertson
It's everything. Everybody is frustrated. But. But I talk about how I try to make it my ambition every time I go to an airport to be a light because I'm in a place that's going to naturally not go that direction. So I try to be kind. I try to be. Even if I. Even if something happens and I miss out on something, I don't try to respond, you know, ugly and.
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Jase Robertson
Oh, exactly.
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Al Robertson
And I.
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Jase Robertson
In that story, I mean, I'm confessing my fault. You know, I felt convicted because I thought, you know, I looked at this guy and formed an opinion that was wrong and that's anti Jesus, you know. And so I really thought, why do we do that? This guy, he looks different. And next thing you know, I mean, I was convicted just because I formed an opinion. Not really consciously, just subconsciously. Because he did ask me a weird question that was weird. And I was like, what in the world is this guy? What is he?
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Al Robertson
But Jay said also that question also spoke to the pressure he's under too, because, like, for him to do something based on his faith and something that's impacted his life and to approach you is probably would be frowned upon. And he's probably totally.
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Jase Robertson
I didn't understand the context and he didn't know how to get there. And it was awkward. And we were both, you know, had. We were emotional about it and that. That's kind of missing. I was talking about that from Charlie Kirk's wife. When she gave her speech. I was like. Because she was like, it was good, but I just felt like she was just. And she couldn't think of the word. And I Was like, well, babe, even when my dad died and he just died and he was old and no one took his life, and I was like, the first couple of days, I just couldn't really put two sentences together just because of different reasons. And I thought, here's a woman getting up where the worst thing imaginable could happen. And her to speak, I mean, through her devastation and the pain, I was like, I just think that's what it looks like. I mean, yeah, it was just very tough to watch.
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Al Robertson
It's hard to watch. And yet when you did, it was. You were inspired, you know, by her effort to do it. That's kind of exactly.
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Jase Robertson
I say it's one of those things where the fact that she just agreed to do this with two small children who have been, you know, what do you do here? I mean, she'll be dealing with that the rest of her life. I mean, that. Trying to explain this, and it's just, boy, it grabs your heart, you know.
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Al Robertson
I mean, so this Matt, you know, the. The Andy Reid, almost Andy Reid guy, his wife told me so we sat at their table, we had lunch that day, and. And she was telling me, she said, I just want to tell you guys, your family, thank you so much for sharing with all of us, the funeral and. And she said, you know, when your kids were leading worship and all of it, she said, I just cried. And she said, because your dad meant so much to us, you know, out here. And she was like, I know that probably had to be a hard decision. I said, well, it was. We. We spent quite a bit of time talking about how we were going to do that. I said, but we felt like the world needed to know how we felt about our dad. And. And also an appreciation to, you know, everybody that's been led to the Lord by his, you know, what God did in him. And she said, well, look, it made a huge impact on me, on us, on me and Matt. And she said, you know, I know that's not easy. And so it's kind of what you were just saying about, you know, Charlie's wife as well is it wasn't easy, but she felt like that the world needed to hear from her, that she was going to be okay.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Al Robertson
And, you know, so if I had been advising her, I probably would have said, wait a little longer. But, you know what I mean, she. She did what she did, and I was inspired.
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Jase Robertson
No, I think it's a sign of her faith, you know, and look, to get back to our text, I mean, Jesus is basically looking Ahead, because he started this whole section in John 14 saying, don't be troubled. You know, trust in me, trusting God as well. And then Even here in 16, he's saying, I'm telling you these things in verse three, I'm warning you, I told you this so that when the time comes, you'll remember this. I don't want anybody to lead you astray. It's fixed to be traumatizing. What's fixed to happen is basically what he's saying. I'm going to die. And they're not prepared for it.
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Al Robertson
I wanted to sort of reset because last podcast, Jase, you read 161 4, which is exactly where we're at in our study. And it was so poignant to the discussion about Charlie and kind of where everything's at. But I want to do a little bit of a callback, go back two verses earlier, which is where we left off a couple of podcasts ago, because both the guys that I read and study while we're doing this Bible study, N.T. wright and Chuck Swindoll, both kind of see this as a. Almost like a courtroom setting, which is why the word counselor, advocate is. Because there's different. You know, the Holy Spirit is translated in different words. And back in verse 26, it says, when the counselor comes and this is the Holy Spirit, and that word's also advocate. And Jace, you showed us that also is the same name for Jesus in First John 2. Yeah, sort of in this setting, that the one on our behalf, which shows you that the Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me, which. And that kind of puts it in this context of almost like a courtroom setting with this testifying about. And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning. And so what he does in setting that up is saying, this is why I'm here. I'm sending the Holy Spirit, the counsel, the advocate, to live in you. Because now you're going to be going out and testifying about me. Then you get the verses 1 through 4, which is him warning them. Now, look, this is going to not be easy. And then when he gets back to verse five, which I want to read down through verse 16, he sort of describes what this looks like. And this is really interesting about these two worlds, Jace, that you brought up. I like that contract, the war of the worlds that we talked about. Because you're going to see the Holy Spirit does convict the world, but he does it by showing the contrast of who Jesus is. So let me read these verses. He says, now I'm going to him who sent me. Yet none of you ask me, where are you going? Because I have said these things. You are filled with grief. So he's back to, you know, the idea of their grappling with this truth he's given them. But I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the counselor, there's the advocate again, will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And they're really having a hard time wrapping their mind around, around this concept. And why wouldn't. I mean, this is the Holy Spirit in a way that's never been poured out on humanity. So, you know, it's really something you can't grasp until it happens. And here's what he says. Interesting look at this in the kind of courtroom lens. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt. Or also that word is he will expose the guilt of the world. So that's that idea. But just by him coming in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment. So three different things that will that then because you see the Holy Spirit living in Christians, you'll see this conviction or the guilt exposed in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me. So if you don't believe in Jesus, how could he do anything about your sin? Is the point in regard to righteousness? Because I am going to the Father where you can see me no longer. So that's what we talk about, the power of the ascension. That's the righteousness being revealed. How is it revealed? Through the gospel, Romans 1:16. And in regard to judgment, this is the third one. Because the Prince of this world now stands condemned, and that has to be the resurrection, because that's what ultimately defeats Satan, right? This fear of death. I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. Now he shifted gears. This is more of a transformational. Now he's speaking to the disciples and not just about the world. He will not speak on his own. He will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. So that's going to be his role in the early disciples and even for us. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said, the Spirit will take from what is mine. And make it known to you, in a little while, you will see me no more. And then after a little while, you will see me once again talking about the. The resurrection. So I just love the picture here. Both the guys that I. That I studied talk about this idea that while one is. This idea of truth brings condemnation if you don't believe, you know, and if. If you don't succumb and surrender. But the other one, if you do, brings transformation. It's the same spirit, but it's all dependent on whether you receive him or not as to where you stand before the Almighty. So that was just my take on it, but it was just such a powerful picture. And now he's kind of getting down into the deep weeds of exactly what the Holy Spirit is coming to do.
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Zach Williams
So the T shirt game is. It's difficult, Al. They get stretched out, they lose their form, and they don't quite form to the dad bod like they should. You know what I'm talking about?
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Al Robertson
Well, now I'm a granddad, Bob, so I guess that's what happens. Yeah.
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Zach Williams
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Al Robertson
Yeah. Jace has the kind of classic tee I'm wearing, the polo style shirt. I'm telling you, their stuff is amazing. I love it. It's comfortable. I got a pair of their jeans. The most comfortable jeans I've ever owned. This is really good stuff.
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Zach Williams
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Jase Robertson
Oh, yeah.
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Zach Williams
What I. What I mean by that is you think about verses like John 5:22, for the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son. So you see, in this framework, you say, well, the Son's going to be the judge and not the Father, and he condemned us. This is Acts 10, to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God. This is talking about Jesus. To do what? To be judge of the living and the dead? Or Acts 17, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he appointed. And this is how we know who this man is. And of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead. So Jesus is going to actually be the judge of all of us. For we all. This is Romans 14:10. For we all stand before the judgment seat of God, which is going to be, some manuscripts would say the judgment seat of Christ. Then Second Corinthians 5 says, for we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. So when you mention that courtroom scenario, then the way that the salvation is being accomplished through this triune nature of God is that Christ actually is going to be the judge. So he says that I need to. You want me to leave? Because I need to send your attorney. Right. Crisis. But here's the deal. The attorney and the Father and the judge, they're all like the one who planned it, the one who accomplished, and the one who's applying it. They're all one being. So we're leaning in through our salvation. We're actually leaning into the very nature of who God is. So Christ is going to be the one who judges us, but he's also one who covers us. And then so the Spirit is going to actually be our counselor in that this whole thing is. Is incredible because you see that playing out right here in the giving of the Spirit. And I think you see that in the very nature of God when he said it's not good for man to be alone in Genesis because God's not alone. God is a relationship. He is a holy communion. That's who he is. And so that's even the being seen here in the accomplishment of our actual salvation.
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Jase Robertson
I was going down the Same rabbit hole as that went. Because I had a question from a viewer about John 14:26, which I realize we're past that, but you know what I told him was. And before I read that, I said, well, when we get to chapter 16 and what Al just read, specifically in 13 and following and what Zach was saying about how the Godhead is working in creation, I was like, I think it helps explain John 14:26, because his question was based on John 14:26. And I actually told him, I didn't give him all this. I just said, I'm going to do this on a podcast and tell you which one. So his question was 14:26, because it's the same the first time it uses that Greek word paracletus. In 25, he says all this, I have spoken while still with you, but the counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name. And here was his question, because it says, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have said to you. Now, he zeroed in on all things. He said, what are these things? So when you. But he actually said two things. He said, he's going to teach you all things and he's going to remind you of what I said to you, which is what he's doing here in 16. That's why I read the verse that said, I have told you all this in 16:4, so that when the time comes, you will remember that I warned you. Well, then he gets into, I'm giving you the Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit's going to remind you of who Jesus is, what he did, the questions he asked, all these things, which is how the Holy Spirit works. So before I get into the 16 and I'm going to read my response I gave him, how would you respond to that when he says he's going to teach you all things? I think that's a good question.
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Zach Williams
Well, I mean, I was thinking. I mean, I do think it's a good question. I think that you have to distinguish something profound about John 16 and John 17, though, that the will that Christ has, a divine will that is inseparable from the will of his Father and the Spirit as well. And so when he's talking about they have a shared purpose, they have a shared will, for lack of a better term. And I think that's what Jesus is getting at when he says, when the Spirit of truth comes, he'll guide you into all truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine. This is Jesus saying, and he'll declare it to you. Well, then you say, well, then, who's running the show here? Well, then Jesus pivots and he said, well, all that the Father has is mine. So, so you, you see this mutual sharing. Therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. So everything that the Father has belongs to Christ. And then the Spirit only speaks what he hears from the Father and the Son. And I think this is super important because when you get into John 17, he's going to say, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. So the expression here, it's like this. I'm trying to think of the way that you would say maybe like a delegated authority from father to Son. But they're, they're. Their agenda, their will is the same thing. So in the courtroom when the judge is like, how do you plead? It's almost as if the judge is like, seeing us in the courtroom, how do you plead? Then the judge gets, gets off the, the standing, goes down next to us, as our counsel says, my client pleads not guilty. And then he goes back because, because they had that shared will. And I think that's super, super comforting to know that's where we stand before this holy God. Why would you say there's no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus?
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Al Robertson
And I would, I would say, Jay, specifically, when that one that says for you to know all things that you remember the disciples, the eleven, and then later would pick up another in the twelve, once the Holy Spirit now actually comes. Remember, they're coming off, but they're only, you know, less than two months from Jesus dying, resurrection, leaving and giving them instructions. And now the Holy Spirit is going to pour literally upon them and in them to now begin the movement that we're still a part of 2,000 years later. So why all these apply to us as further down the road disciples? They really did have to have all things put into them to understand how to get this thing going. And so that's why Peter was prompted to go speak to Cornelius. He. He didn't want to do it on the own. On his own. We, we know he kind of had a thing about not wanting to associate with Gentiles, and yet the Holy Spirit prompted him. So I, I see it as the first century. It was, it's all crucial to have the Holy Spirit live in you. But it was for them to begin the movement. They had to literally have God instructing them on where to go, what to do and how to do it. So, Jase, we're about to. Lisa and I are about to hit into our. We call it the busy travel season of speaking. I know you're on the road some as well. And most of our speeches are on behalf of the preborn and because, you know, pro life is so it's such an important topic to Lisa and I because of our own testimony. But it's important also to our friends at preborn for what they're doing. And I love. They ask a simple question. If you could go back in time, some terrible time in human history, would you do it just to save a life? And I think any of us wish we could always do that. Today, about 3,000 babies are aborted every single day in America. So it is a genocide of our own children. And so someday history is going to look back and say, man, couldn't we have done more? Well, we can. And preborn network clinics are on the front lines meeting women in their darkest hour. They love them and they help them choose life. This year alone, over 38,000 babies have been rescued. The ultrasound, that simple moment when a mother sees her baby is the game changer. It literally doubles a baby's chance at life. So let me ask you again, would you do something? If you could, you can. Right now, just $28 provides a life saving ultrasound. Go to preborn.com unashamed. That's preborn.com unashamed. Or you can dial £250, say the keyword baby. That's £250, baby. Together we can end this tragedy one baby, one mother at a time.
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Jase Robertson
Well, here's my take. And I kind of went, I agree with everything you are saying, but I went in a little different direction. I actually went into the now, not yet direction because I think most people when they see the word judgment, they think, oh, that's yet to come.
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Al Robertson
Yeah. Final.
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Jase Robertson
But if you read that, what you just read again, because you were doing. I think most people are like when you talk about the ascension.
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Al Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
When righteousness is being revealed. And now, now the first point I think everybody gets, because it's like in regard to sin, because they don't believe in Jesus.
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Al Robertson
Right.
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Jase Robertson
But if you go back to the, your courtroom analogy in John 3 and verse 19, when he says this is the verdict, which is the NIV translates it that way, which is another courtroom word, but it's actually judgment.
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Al Robertson
Yeah.
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Jase Robertson
And it says light has come into the world. But men love Darkness. Let me read it. Exactly. We've read it many times. Men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil, it's kind of a present tense phrase that he's using. Hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God. This setting here is talking about people before he comes back. And my point is that when you brought up the resurrection, him ascending, his death and resurrection. Well, think about what happens when he was ascended. Well, Jesus first. John 2, you made reference to that. He becomes our advocate in the presence of God and meanwhile we get the Holy Spirit and become his advocates to the world. Now it's through him. That's why he uses the verses. I mean the phrases like we're the salt and light of the world. Think about salt and light. They change the environment that they're thrust into. Oh, it changes, it doesn't conform. It changes good and bad. And that's why I read that John 3, it's an exposure, it's actually a judgment in time. Whenever you're doing Jesus things and having conversations, because that light is revealing your heart and bad things happen and good things happen, which is, you know, Charlie Kirk got shot. He was doing this on a constant basis in hostile environments. That's why he was getting so much persecution. But al you think of our family and our lives, we've been shot at, our family, we've been shot at. Just random guy emptying 9 millimeter clips through our houses. That actually awaken me, you know, awakened me. I was taking a nap and I hear this gunfire. We've been persecuted. I've been beaten. You know, a guy attacked me just simply because I shared the gospel. And I did not retaliate in that moment. But all these things happen. You're like, why? Why is this happening? Because this judgment that's being revealed through Jesus, the truth in that it is being revealed through flawed people today because we have the Holy Spirit. Yeah, so my answer to the guy who sent me that question, because the part I left out in it, he says what I his thought was and not that I was against his thought. He just said, is that going back to Genesis, which I did agree with and about the Word. And like, was he saying like, you'll now understand the word, teach you all things. He had that word teach, you know, and thinking words. Jesus is the word become flesh. And so what I did was in my response. And I'll. I'll read what I. What I said. I said, as for your specific thoughts about the Word, I would think more of the creation being the Godhead, working together, which is exactly what Zach said. Y and I went to Genesis 1:1 and 2, and I said, now look, if you read Genesis 1:1, 2, you have this setting of creation itself. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty. I think the Greek word can be translated made no sense. There was chaos. And then the Holy Spirit is hovering over the waters. And then God said, let there be light. So you see these three entities as one working together for creation. Well, what is Jesus now? Fast forward promoting. Now he's introducing a new creation where judgment is being revealed against the main party, who through an accusation and a lie, led humanity to not trust God and commit sin. And now you still now have the Holy Spirit entering the humans itself because of the Word becoming flesh. You hear about Jesus, who the Father sent, just like Zach was talking about that train of sacrifice where all of them, they're choosing to show love to each other because Jesus said, look, I'm not doing this on my own. I'm doing this. Everything I say is from the Father. Then the Holy Spirit's like, he's going to point things. He's going to point all things towards me. You know, we get that verse here coming up. So he's like taking a. He's not promoting himself. He's like pointing you to Jesus. It's like these. How would you say that, Zach? Love being manifested, I guess in the Godhead, they share through acts of service in pointing people to each other.
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Zach Williams
Yeah, I don't know if it's. I, it's.
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Jase Robertson
It's.
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Zach Williams
I think it's deeper than like a manifestation. It's. I think the first.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah, it's probably not a good word.
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Zach Williams
First John is. I mean, think about what, what I mean, God is love. So I think it's indistinguishable to say that love is a characteristic of God.
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Al Robertson
It is He.
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Zach Williams
God is love. And so it's. I. I think that's the reference point through which we understand his nature. One way that I see it is that it's ontologically impossible. Just meaning that it's not even possible, like in the very nature of the thing, or not even a thing, but like, it's not possible for the Son to ever manipulate or abuse the Father. It's not in their nature to be able for for the Father to abuse or manipulate the Son and like it just can't happen. Like it's not in the realm of possibility because the very essence of their being is one of sacrificial love. And so what you see in the cross is whenever God, whenever Christ incarnates, you actually see even in the cross when Christ laid down his life for us, that's actually a display of his nature. Now it takes on a little different form, it takes on a different manifestation when sin enters the world. Because now there's got to be sacrifice, there's got to be these other things that, how that manifests itself. But that's the life that we are being called into the, to participate in. So when Peter says that we are partakers of the divine nature, I think that's what he's talking about.
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Jase Robertson
Yeah.
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Zach Williams
So you. Which, which looks like the fruit of the Spirit.
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Al Robertson
I would use the word restoration because obviously from the garden, Jace just described what you see here now and what the Holy Spirit is going to accomplish after Jesus. Ascension and resurrection. And ascension is the three things you saw in the garden. The people's guilt, the people's helplessness and then the people's destiny. Yeah, because remember it was death, they were cut off. And so from that point until now, Jesus that has needed to be reconciled and that needed to be redeemed. And that's exactly what he does with the new kingdom. Which is, which is which My point.
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Jase Robertson
Was when he uses that terminology, he will bring glory to me. That was the verse I was just like, Jesus brought glory to the Father, but the point is that he was preparing them, that God is going to dwell in them and they're going to be doing these things and it's not going to be well received. You're going to be hated, you're going to be killed. I want you to hang in there, you're going to have me with you. I mean, it's a beautiful story about how God uses us despite our past and our failures to not only clean us up, but move inside of us and use us for the earth despite extreme opposition, which is all about the light and darkness that we live in. The world's colliding.
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Al Robertson
Alright, we're out of time, but we're going to pick it up right here next time because the little title in the Bible is which is not the Bible but someone says the disciples grief will turn to joy. And that's ultimately where we're going to head in our next couple of podcasts. So it just gets better and better. See you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.