Ep 1178 | Willie & Jase Robertson Revisit Phil’s Legacy & The Question Your Obituary Should Answer

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1178 | Willie & Jase Robertson Revisit Phil’s Legacy & The Question Your Obituary Should Answer

Date: October 2, 2025
Main Participants: Jase Robertson, Willie Robertson, Jason Robertson, Dave, Zach

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Jase and Willie Robertson reconnect to reflect on the enduring spiritual legacy of their father, Phil Robertson. The episode is centered on the power of faith stories, the ripple effect of sharing the Gospel, and the profound question: What do we want our obituary to say about us? The conversation interweaves deeply personal anecdotes, commentary on Christian witness, and humorous family banter, offering listeners insight into how a simple act of faith can transform generations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Robertson Banter: Being “In a World Within a World”

• The episode opens with playful teasing among the brothers, especially about Jase’s notorious habit of getting lost in his own world—whether in Bible study, playing cards, or even playing golf.
• Willie: “It’s interesting you say that because there, Jesus created a world within a world. And we’re in that world. So I am in another world in the world.” (03:03)

Takeaway:

Their family humor highlights a deeper reality: Christians are called to live distinct, spiritually grounded lives within the broader culture.

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2. Influence Through Presence: Respect Earned at the Card Table

• Willie recounts a recent cards night where tempers flared, but other men held back out of respect for his Christian witness.
• Willie: “...four or five times during the night, someone pointed to me and said, ‘Well, I would really tell you what I feel, but since Jase is here, I’m not.’” (04:37)
• They reflect on the subtle, ongoing impact a Christian presence can have, even in secular settings.

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3. Family Tales & Drip-Effect Humor

• The brothers discuss running jokes and family legends, including teasing Zach for his thrifty nature and their Uncle Sigh’s “beaver” card protector at a poker game.
• Jase: “You create something here because you’re going for something. Everybody gets to laughing...and it worked. I mean, Sigh meltdown.” (07:19)

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4. New Projects & Roles: Adapting to Change

• Willie and Jase discuss their new show, now available on both A&E and Hulu, and Willie's role mentoring “yuppified” younger men towards more outdoorsy, grounded living.
• Willie: “We’re in this transition of training younger men not to be so Yuppie-fied...they’re addicted to their phone. They can’t function in the outdoors.” (12:12)

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5. Life on the Road: Ministry & Gospel Outreach

• Both have busy speaking schedules, often bumping into each other at airports.
• Jase shares stories of speaking engagements across the country, often feeling part of God’s mysterious plan, reminiscent of the Book of Acts.
• Jase: “It feels like the book of Acts...they’re running around everywhere.” (14:07)

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6. The Power of Conversations: Phil Robertson’s Redemption Story

• The pivotal segment comes as the brothers retell how Phil came to faith, through a gutsy conversation in a bar when a preacher (Bill) was willing to cross state lines to share the gospel.
• Willie: “He heard the message of Christ in a bar and it produced faith.” (27:22)
• They emphasize the far-reaching consequences of that single act—for both their family and millions touched through Duck Dynasty and other ventures.
• Jase: “Hundreds of millions of people all over the globe have been touched in some way by the gospel from you, me, Zach, our whole family...all that started back to Phil and Kay in a small town in Southern Arkansas.” (40:00)

Memorable Quote (Phil’s Response to the Gospel):

• Phil (via Jase, quoting from text):

  • “That was the best explanation of how to share the gospel I’ve ever read. And you were so nice about it.” (25:51)

• Jase (on the inspirational courage of Bill):

  • "How many preachers do you know would jump in their car and drive to another state, go into a bar, talk to a crazy person?...Most people would just, you know, be like, nah..." (28:37)

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7. Practical Evangelism: The Gap Between Belief & Outreach

• The Robertsons lament that many Christians haven’t been taught how to share their faith, or even where the gospel is found in their Bibles.
• Jase: “If you told someone the good news of Jesus, but you don’t even know where it’s at in your Bible...you may need to start there.” (42:04)

Key Application:

• They challenge listeners to know the Gospel story, be tethered to Scripture (not personalities), and see conversion as a journey—not just a moment.

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8. Mission and Obituaries: What Will Be Said About Us?

• Jase and Willie confront the “legacy question”—the importance of living life so its meaning echoes beyond an obituary.
• Jase: “...your whole life, you don’t even get to write [your obituary], somebody else writes it. It’s what they think about your whole life...” (49:51)
• Willie shares about receiving a random text from a man thanking him for being “a beacon that points so many toward the true light of this world, Jesus Christ.” The man’s life was changed by a long-forgotten poker game—a testament to the ripple effect of everyday faithfulness. (50:10)

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9. Reflection on Christian Life: From Inward Survival to Outward Mission

• The group critiques the tendency for Christians to get “inward”—focused only on not sinning or keeping up religious habits—instead of outward, living missionally and sharing their faith.

• Jase: “It’s not such a bad [approach], but that’s not a mission. And so you wonder why so many people in the church are like, is this it?...It’s survival versus revival, you know?” (55:29)

• Willie (on Christian witness): “God is just using flawed people who have been redeemed through him to share this wonderful good news.” (52:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I call him my bigger younger brother. It’s part of my speech.” — Willie Robertson (00:19)
• “I didn’t even know there was a service. Literally lost all.” — Jase Robertson, on zoning out during church (01:24)
• “I think it’s good because it happened multiple times. Then that kind of became the thing like, ‘I’m really mad, but since Jase is here, I’m not gonna’...I took that as a compliment. I think it’s good.” — Willie Robertson (04:36)
• “What would you have done if he just would have gone off?” — Jason Robertson (05:19)
• “I always say, if you wanted to get your message out, would you take the one dude or would you take the thousand?” — Jase Robertson (41:30)
• Colossians 4:6 — “Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.” (53:22)
• “It’s survival versus revival, you know?” — Willie Robertson (55:39)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–08:00: Family banter and the “world within a world” theme
• 09:22–13:10: Updates on new shows and new roles, mentoring young men
• 13:31–21:05: Tales from the road and ministry experiences
• 25:38–32:15: Phil Robertson’s conversion story and the power of conversations
• 36:12–43:00: Spiritual growth stages; struggles with legalism and sharing faith
• 47:15–52:58: The message of Zacchaeus, obituaries, and the impact of unplanned spiritual encounters
• 53:22–56:20: Final reflections on mission-minded Christian living

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Conclusion

This episode is an inspiring blend of laughter, wisdom, and challenge. The Robertson brothers invite listeners to consider their own faith legacy and to move beyond mere survival in the Christian life to purposeful outreach and influence. By drawing from personal stories and family testimony, they show that every conversation—however small—can have eternal consequences.

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For further study:

• Gospel sharing tips: Galatians 5, Romans 10, Colossians 4:6, 1 Peter 3:15
• Reflect: What will people say about you—and your faith—when your story is told?

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Transcript

[Willie Robertson]

I am unashamed.

[Jase Robertson]

What about you?

[Jason Robertson]

So welcome back to Unashamed. We have our. A special guest on our. My little brother Willie. Hello. Welcome back.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's good to be back, Cousin Willie.

[Jason Robertson]

Cousin Willie.

[Willie Robertson]

I call him my bigger younger brother. It's part of my speech.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm not sparring with y' all too much today.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, we just spent 10 minutes refighting mansions over the Hilltop from last episode.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm used to taking on Zach, so.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, well, out of all the podcasts we've done, I just didn't enjoy that podcast. Zach was making me uncomfortable. I don't mind disagreeing with him, but I just thought, really, this is the hill we're dying on today.

[Dave]

And you did not mind disagreeing with me?

[Willie Robertson]

No, I didn't. I just. Yeah, just. I don't know.

[Dave]

You didn't disagree with me? That's what I was trying to tell you.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, no.

[Jason Robertson]

They were arguing over song, Will, but. So Jace said, this is the first song. They say he went to wfr. They did. Mansions over the Hilltop. He went into the first song. Now, I know the whole theology, but what got me was, is that Jace then buries his head in his own studies and did not come back aware until the closing prayer. He didn't even know there was a service.

[Willie Robertson]

Literally lost all.

[Jase Robertson]

That's what got me. I was like, he blacked out.

[Willie Robertson]

He blacked out in Bible study with glasses on, notebook. Look, I took a lot of notes. I'll give you what I studied on, if y'.

[Jason Robertson]

All. I mean, he blamed it on Matches over the Hilltop, but that, you know, threw him off. But I just thought it was interesting that only Jace. But he. He says he does that when he plays cards. Is that true? He just. Have you ever seen him do that, where he just gets in his own little study? He just. He studied.

[Willie Robertson]

I've done that before.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, he's.

[Jase Robertson]

Jason's kind of in his own world. Hey, speaking of this, I feel like this is appropriate time to tell this story. So play. We play golf with some guys, and Jace used to play with us. And so the guy. This guy was like. He had asked Jason about a bed or something. Jace ignored him. And so they go like, you know, they're on the back nine, and the guy says, hey, I asked Jace something. You know, did he want to bet? And the guy looks at him, he goes, hey, Jace doesn't even realize you're here. Which was so true. He doesn't even realize there's other guys playing golf with him, right? Now he is in his own little world. That's why nobody likes to ride with.

[Jason Robertson]

Jace, because the minute he hits the ball, he's like, yeah, look, let's go over here. I said, yo, I'm right here. Just. I'm 20 yards behind you. Right here. Yeah. Let me. Let me go see what my lie looks like.

[Willie Robertson]

It's interesting you say that, because there, Jesus created a world within a world.

[Jase Robertson]

He did.

[Willie Robertson]

And we're in that world. So I am in another world in the world. It's weird you mentioned this. I played cards last night and I haven't played in weeks because the last time I played, I lost, which is rare.

[Jase Robertson]

It was rare, but it was painful.

[Jason Robertson]

Is it gambling when you lose then? Because you said, it's not gambling if you can't lose.

[Willie Robertson]

It's not gambling. You gotta look at it from.

[Jase Robertson]

You gotta look at it from a 10 year.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, I say year to year. You do evaluation. As long. As long as you're positive, you're still playing good.

[Jason Robertson]

But you know that from your stash.

[Willie Robertson]

So let me just say this. It was. It was a good night last night. So. But what I will notice.

[Jason Robertson]

Was I there?

[Willie Robertson]

No. Oh, no.

[Jason Robertson]

Okay.

[Willie Robertson]

This was. This was crazy. Crazy game last night. And what I did notice is tempers flared last night. Not at me, at any time. Nobody ever got mad at me. But I'm just saying tempers flare because when people lose, we're men. We're watching the NFL football game and.

[Jason Robertson]

You know, it's a high T situation.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah. Temper started flaring. Not all these people are following Jesus, but there's no drinking or anything like that. But people, tempers were flaring, but about three or four times. I'm not even to your point. I'm not even aware of what's happening because I wasn't in the hand. And then all of a sudden I hear. Because the voices start being raised. And so I kind of like you.

[Jason Robertson]

Snapped out of your inner world, hey, everybody calm.

[Dave]

You know?

[Willie Robertson]

And then four or five times during the night, someone pointed to me and said, well, I would really tell you what I feel, but since Jace is here, I'm not. And so I thought, what have I got to do with this? But I think he meant I'm not. I'm gonna respect that because he wouldn't use that kind of language or whatever. And I took that as a compliment. I think it's good because it happened multiple times. Then that kind of became the thing like, I'm really mad, you know, it wasn't like there wasn't a few four letter words floating around out there, but it's like they really got mad. And then like, I'm not gonna. I thought that was kind of weird. I've never seen that happen.

[Jason Robertson]

What would you have done had he not. If he just would have gone off, somebody would have just lost.

[Willie Robertson]

Well, I've seen him do it before. That's why I'm like, why all of a sudden are we acknowledging that? I don't know. But I took it as a compliment for Jesus.

[Jason Robertson]

That's good.

[Willie Robertson]

And I'm glad it didn't break into a fisticuff, which I don't think it would, but they were pretty hot. They were slamming the table and throwing cards across the room, which Willie did that one time, famously.

[Jase Robertson]

I usually make them like. I. Part of what I do is we're playing cards. So right off the bat, I'll pop off because I do a lot of talking. So I make somebody mad. It's a big advantage. So then what they. Then the whole night.

[Jason Robertson]

Zach smile.

[Jase Robertson]

They just desperately want to beat me so bad. Once you get to that place in cards, that's that one little advantage. I need. I need you to make that one.

[Willie Robertson]

You executed that perfectly at my birthday bash.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

Because we had a lot of.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

What a.

[Jase Robertson]

That was a wild.

[Dave]

Who did you go after that night, Willie?

[Willie Robertson]

Well, there was a list, but at the top of it was. There was what he referred to as the beaver, which is our Uncle Sigh.

[Jase Robertson]

Because he had a.

[Willie Robertson]

He had a miniature figurine of a beaver and that. He used that for his card cover. If y' all don't play cards, you don't even know what that means. But you protect your hand by putting. Usually a chip, but he put a little beaver. And so Willie started picking at him because every time they got in a hand together, Willie would like, bust his beaver down. Blow his beaver down. Hey, beaver. You might already call some friends. Dams breaking. And this went on for hours.

[Jase Robertson]

I never stopped. Just kept going.

[Jason Robertson]

It's like a drill, but it's a.

[Jase Robertson]

It's a. Basically you create something here because you're going for something. It's a. So everybody was. Everybody gets a laughing. And so then. And. And it worked. I mean, s. Meltdown.

[Willie Robertson]

He basically gave Willie all his money.

[Jase Robertson]

Loaned him money, borrowed money, and lost.

[Willie Robertson]

It all back to Will.

[Jase Robertson]

Everything I just gave him, he lost it back.

[Jason Robertson]

And Willie J. Stole that story.

[Willie Robertson]

After it happened, I laughed, so it was funny. And you know, sometimes.

[Dave]

Sometimes the drip can last like 25 years. You'll. You'll start dripping whatever it is, and you just keep doing it for 25 years.

[Jason Robertson]

What's the line for you, Zach? You just. You keep doing what you're doing.

[Jase Robertson]

You do what you're doing. What's funny is that's your. That's what you said.

[Dave]

Well, I did say.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm just a reminder. I'm good at reminding people of stupid things.

[Dave]

They say, I was back, and Willie worked for me. There was one moment where he was.

[Jase Robertson]

He was.

[Dave]

I hired him as a hired hand, and I pulled out my Dave Ramsey envelopes. I think we may have told this on the podcast before, but he.

[Jason Robertson]

He said stories are funny every day.

[Dave]

Well, he's there making fun of me and. And about that. Me, like, you know, budgeting. And I say, hey, you do your thing, I'll do mine, and we'll see.

[Jase Robertson]

We'll see who ends up on top.

[Dave]

Budgeting said.

[Willie Robertson]

What's been revealed through this podcast is Zach has tight tendencies when it comes to money. Like, to a level that I was fun.

[Dave]

Yeah, y' all say that, but the. The truth is, is that y' all got a hold of that, whatever that narrative is, and now you all do this, and you'll drip it for years, and then. And then everyone believes it, but it's not even necessarily the full truth.

[Jase Robertson]

It's just.

[Dave]

You've said. Y' all have said it so many times now. That's what everybody thinks. Even my own kids are calling me tight. I'm like, look at what I bought.

[Willie Robertson]

All you guys, they must listen to the podcast.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, they probably know. They just know. Some people don't accept the rich, young.

[Willie Robertson]

Rulers and multiple accounts in the gospel. Yeah. So that's exhibit A.

[Jason Robertson]

There you go.

[Willie Robertson]

Some people just need to go sell everything they have.

[Jason Robertson]

Willie brought his own coffee.

[Jase Robertson]

Why not? I love it.

[Jason Robertson]

So, Will, tell us what's going on in your world. So you got the new show. That's been crazy. I've been busy. I filmed a couple of seasons.

[Jase Robertson]

Two seasons. Yeah.

[Jason Robertson]

But only one is aired, correct?

[Jase Robertson]

One is. Yeah. One came out on A and E, and then the other is. Will come out on Hulu, and that'll be October 16th.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, it's another show.

[Jase Robertson]

It's the same show, but now it'll.

[Jason Robertson]

Be on different platform, so.

[Jase Robertson]

Different platform. That's. That a lot of people will be able to.

[Willie Robertson]

And I got. I got involved in the second season.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. Jace came on board. And then the new. The second season will start in January back on AE and Then it'll be on Hulu as well.

[Jason Robertson]

Okay, good.

[Dave]

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[Jason Robertson]

Huge, huge blessing to Lisa and Isaac? No doubt about it. Because you know, when you're facing what we've faced cancer and so man, these big, huge medical costs is just more than you can do on your own. So we, we've been very blessed by the idea of sharing among believers.

[Dave]

Yeah, you know, chm, it's a ministry first. And believers from all over the country pitch in each month to help share each other's burdens and other medical bills. But it's not just getting help with the bills. You actually get spiritual encouragement as well. You get people praying for you, reaching out to you. And since it's not traditional health insurance, you also have a lot more space to choose the doctors and the hospitals that you want without having to rely on some kind of middleman. Members have already shared more than $12 billion in medical bills together. That's a lot. So for me, it's a no brainer. I could save cash and I can stop feeding money into a broken system that doesn't really honor God. So ditch your traditional health Insurance and join CHM today by visiting chministries.org Unashamed that is chministries.org UnashamED Chministries.org UnashamEd.

[Jase Robertson]

It'S.

[Jason Robertson]

Fun around here because I mean, of course I'm not having to do it, y' all are having to do the work. But just seeing people like back excited again. People, you show up here, there's a buzz going on.

[Willie Robertson]

I'm sure I would classify that as work. It was a lot more laid back.

[Jason Robertson]

It seems different to me from outside in just watching it happen. It seems like it is a little more, I don't know, organic or something.

[Willie Robertson]

I just had one, one job, which is real life because we're in this transition of training younger men to not be so Yuppie fied. Cover your ears, Zach. And yesterday he wore a camouflage shirt on the podcast.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, he's. Lee's got a duck on his hat today. He's getting outdoorsy. So.

[Willie Robertson]

Just doing that, you have young men who, like, you know, they're addicted to their phone. They can't function in the outdoors. It's a problem in our society. And so basically, that was my.

[Jason Robertson]

So you're channeling. You're channeling your inner dad to whip them into shape.

[Willie Robertson]

I tried. I don't know how it. You know, I haven't.

[Jason Robertson]

Speaking of inner dad, Will. So your family's all on vacation this week. You're here.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, I was like, if that's.

[Jason Robertson]

Not a fail move, I don't know what is. Now it's everybody but Willie.

[Jase Robertson]

I know. It was. There's about 40 of them. I didn't even act in a place.

[Willie Robertson]

I feel moved.

[Jason Robertson]

It is a dad move.

[Jase Robertson]

Isn't that awesome? Yeah, that worked out. I mean, sadly that I'm not there, of course. Cory's trying to get me to fly down just for a night, just to cook.

[Jason Robertson]

I knew they're missing your.

[Jase Robertson]

No, I was. Well, I've been traveling, so I've been. I've been so busy on the road and so.

[Jason Robertson]

Are you speaking a lot?

[Willie Robertson]

Don't.

[Jason Robertson]

You do.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, that's where I've been seeing Willie. We bump into each other in the airport.

[Jason Robertson]

Every time I'm someplate, they'll say, I just saw your brother. And I'm like, rich one. You know, because everybody's traveling.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I have been on a run like crazy, and I'm fixing to go on a crazy run. That's why I'm not there. So I do like Ohio, Washington State, Nashville, South Dakota, Tampa.

[Jason Robertson]

Wow.

[Jase Robertson]

That's all just one run. Yeah. I'm here these two days because I was. I had another event, but it. That didn't work out. But I would have been gone, I think, 19 days straight.

[Jason Robertson]

Is this still your. The business thing that you were doing before? Is this something different?

[Jase Robertson]

No. The other night, I was in the LA area. I spoke at a church that was so awesome. You know, it's like God, I feel like God wants you in these places, and you don't know really why until you're there and then you leave and you're like, oh, wow, that was amazing. So it feels like. I'm just glad. It feels like the book of Acts, you know, especially at the end where, you know, they're running around everywhere. And so it's the same way you're here. I was in Jacksonville. I spoke at a church. Oh, he's been on the. Oh, yeah, Joby's church. Yeah. So I did the. Their revival in Jacksonville. He was in Michigan. So some of his churches, some of it's Life Surge, which is that business. Yeah, Thibaut. Yeah, Thibaut and I. Y' all saw.

[Jason Robertson]

Oh, we saw the video.

[Jase Robertson]

We actually.

[Jason Robertson]

We actually ran it on our podcast, didn't we?

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, because I told the story. Because I bumped into you and you told me.

[Jase Robertson]

Oh, yeah. And yeah. So, yeah, T. But I dressed his room up in LSU gear and when they played Florida. When they played Florida. So then we were just together in Colorado Springs. That's where I came from this time. I went from LA to Colorado Springs and I got some friends in Trent Langhofer's there. I have a lot of friends there. And they text me and they said, are you gonna be in Colorado Springs? I said for a second, because I came in from LA and then zoomed out.

[Jason Robertson]

Working your way across the.

[Jase Robertson]

Listen. What Thibaut did. Listen, listen. So Tebow comes out and he says, so it's like six o'. Clock. Yeah. So in the morning, spoken. No, in the evening. So he had just got through, done speaking. Then we do a meet and greet, take photos, and then we leave. So TBO Tebow says, don't tell me any of the scores to any of.

[Willie Robertson]

The games when they are. College football analyst. Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

So he comes out, he looks at. He's on his phone, and I said, I'm not going to tell you anything, but I'll just tell you that I'm really sad. And he looks up at me just with the biggest anger. I said, I didn't say anything. I just. He said, I can't believe, you know, he is just so mad at me. I said, you can't hold back the entire sec. You're saying, I don't know any score from any sec. That's way too many. You should be like, one and say, don't tell me that. But you can't say, like, don't even. Especially when we just had our first loss and I'm. I'm here with a guy who, you know, is an analyst and I would want to talk to him about it. He said, don't tell me the score. He's still mad at me.

[Jason Robertson]

He's a stranger.

[Jase Robertson]

Then he comes in and says. Then he. Oh, this is fun. So he comes in as I'm taking pictures. He gets done. He comes up and sneaks out behind me and picks me up and, you know, he's, ah. He said, I owe you. I'm gonna get you back for what you did.

[Willie Robertson]

He picked you up off the ground.

[Jase Robertson]

He's strong. Yeah, he's strong. Big guy. Big guy, big boy. He stays. He's a Heisman one. And he kept it going, you know, like, actually Terrell Davis was there too. So when we walked in, it was us three. I said, hey, hey. Athletes coming through. Athletes coming through.

[Willie Robertson]

This sounds like the start of a joke. Tebow, Terrell Davis and Willie. Willie walking to a church.

[Jase Robertson]

There you go.

[Willie Robertson]

Building.

[Jase Robertson]

So when. When TBO lays. And I thought this was funny, There was a person there who was getting their picture. There was people there. So the guy turns around and he goes, hang on, did he mess up my picture? He meaning Tim Tebow. Like, if you got the photo with Tebow picking me up and you're in the picture, I would call that. That's the picture you want. Right?

[Willie Robertson]

That's good.

[Jase Robertson]

But he was like, no, no, no, I don't. He like. He screwed my picture.

[Jason Robertson]

I need to take that again.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Jason Robertson]

Sometimes things happen funnier.

[Jase Robertson]

Yes.

[Jason Robertson]

In real life, that's what you go with, you know?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. I always just say that whatever happens that you're. That you think screwed it up. Right. So when something happens, you think screwed the whole thing up. That's probably. That's what you're trying to go after. That's probably what you were going after.

[Jason Robertson]

Right. So you're just a road warrior.

[Jase Robertson]

Road. Yeah, yeah. Preaching and speaking. And I did a. So I have a line of golf clothes coming out. I'm on Willie now.

[Jason Robertson]

Really.

[Jase Robertson]

So I did a photo shoot.

[Jason Robertson]

All like 60s throwback stuff because it is super legit.

[Jase Robertson]

It's. It's Blanco is the name of the. The company. And oh, you know who's also with us on that, the quarterback for Vandy. He's.

[Jason Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Jase Robertson]

Again, these strange bedfellows together.

[Jason Robertson]

That guy is amazing.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, like Pablo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Something like that.

[Jason Robertson]

He's doing the.

[Jase Robertson]

He's in on it. Yeah, It's a company. It's out of la. So when I spoke. So I spoke in Riverside that night, then to. To a church group and then from there I like drove an hour and a half and then got a hotel. And then I was at daylight. I was in the Los Angeles National Forest or something filming. I was shooting a gun. We were trying to shoot golf balls out of the air. And we were filming a Commercial with the golf clothing. That was. That was Friday. And then from there I went to Colorado Springs. And I tell you what, though, that the pastor there in Riverside, he. He gets up and so he. So the guy had sent him my book, Gospeller. He got me said. He said it's the. One of the top five best books he's ever read. That kind of blew me away. And I was like, wow.

[Jason Robertson]

He said that when he introed you. Yeah, yeah, it is a good book.

[Jase Robertson]

Because the guy who brought me in said, wow. I thought he. I thought he may like the book, but that was a full throat endorsement. In fact, he's. He's making part of his sermon series about it as well. So that was cool because I didn't really write it for one necessarily for pastors, because I didn't know if pastors would really. You know, you get into theology and they get a little weird on that. But. But yeah, it was cool that he. That he read it and saw it as far as just the aspect of sharing the gospel, which is the new book as well, the. The devotional book as well, which is where that comes from.

[Jason Robertson]

So since you mentioned that just came out, right? It did, like, this week.

[Willie Robertson]

Did you actually write this?

[Jase Robertson]

Of course I did. He said that yesterday.

[Jason Robertson]

He's like, did really write a book? Did he actually write? I said, well, yeah, he's got his name on.

[Willie Robertson]

Are you writing books in airport?

[Jason Robertson]

What do.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, I have, you know, what's fun? I ride everywhere. What do you do? Do you guys do the. The chat GPT? Do y' all do that or not? I was with a bunch of pastors that recently, and I said, y' all do every one of them? Like, oh, yeah, of course. And because I don't. And I was like, oh, wow, I still haven't.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, I haven't ever.

[Jase Robertson]

I haven't.

[Dave]

I don't use it. I don't use it to write. You can't use it to write, but you can use it for, like, research. And. Yeah, it's pretty good at research.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, they were telling me and I said, well, I mean, I, like, I'll Google something, you know, like.

[Dave]

Yeah, but, you know, but Google. Google will always pop up with whatever somebody you got to pay to get it to get your searches in. Chat GPT is more. And Grok is more. You got to pay. Like the, The.

[Jason Robertson]

The.

[Dave]

The results that come up on Google. Somebody paid to have that on your page. So it's. It's. You got to sort through all the ads, whereas who's chatgpt. It's called Search Engine Optimization. SEO. It's anybody who wants their. Their whatever to show up in a search engine.

[Willie Robertson]

I was just trying to figure out who's doing the pain. I've searched things my whole life. Nobody's ever said, this costs money.

[Dave]

You don't. You don't pay to search. But when you search something, companies want their stuff to pop up in your. In your answers. So it's all like a money. Money making.

[Willie Robertson]

This is.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, but we're not paying cash. We're not forking over the cash.

[Jason Robertson]

Who's forking over the cash?

[Jase Robertson]

Who's shucking the cash to, you know, chat jokes?

[Jason Robertson]

This is back to dad looking at.

[Jase Robertson]

The fax machine and saying, how is it possible? You mean somebody feeds it in and.

[Jason Robertson]

Then it comes out on the paper? But I'm.

[Jase Robertson]

I'm looking at the wires. How is it possible?

[Jason Robertson]

It's like some kind of magic. Jase, you and I are pet owners. You've got your little troop of dogs there protecting your home.

[Willie Robertson]

Yep, it's a constant battle.

[Jason Robertson]

They're very small, but they are a warning system for you.

[Willie Robertson]

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[Jason Robertson]

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[Willie Robertson]

Reminds me when I try to talk Phil into investing money and he's like, can I lose it. And I was like, well, yeah, who gets it?

[Jase Robertson]

Who actually has it?

[Willie Robertson]

But if you see the number and then it goes down, you look on your little box, where. And how did that money go from? Pockets.

[Jase Robertson]

Pocket.

[Willie Robertson]

People have pockets.

[Jase Robertson]

It was here, then it was. It's somewhere. Yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

How did.

[Jase Robertson]

I made it, you know, that somebody put it in my hand. I made it. You took it, and it went somewhere, but nobody knows where it went.

[Willie Robertson]

It was an interesting conversation. We never got past it because he said, so I have it in my pocket, then you're going to put a number that I have in my pocket on that computer screen. If I lose it, who's coming to get the money out of my pocket? That was the argument. We never got past it because I really couldn't explain it. I was like, well, it's just a number that it's not. There's no actual paper money. It's a number that represents paper money. And he's like, no, that. That's. That's not real.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah. So we didn't get past a throwback. So I felt like, will that on. On Gospeller. What? Because what did dad. You. You took the book to dad?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jason Robertson]

And.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, I printed it out.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah. And then he read it.

[Jase Robertson]

And I want him to read it, you know, quickly, because I knew he was starting to kind of slide a little bit. So as soon as we had it in a form, we just printed it here at the office and sent it down, just in paper form. And he read it really quickly. And he sent me my favorite. It was a text through Dan. And he said, well, that was the best explanation of how to share the gospel I've ever read. And then this is the part that made me laugh so hard. He said, and you were so nice about it.

[Jason Robertson]

That's hilarious. But I felt like it was. I mean, it really was sort of an homage to his whole life. And now it just kind of carries through. I mean, he never wrote a book about it, but if he did, it would have been that. I mean, because that's. Yeah. It's really what we learned. Right. I mean, our whole life.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, the first chapter was about Phil, and I. I went even deeper into that story because at some point in my life, I just. I thought, wow, what if that. What if that wouldn't happen? You know, what if. What if Bill doesn't drive up to the bar? You know?

[Jason Robertson]

Right.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, none of that happened.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah. What if Jan hadn't had the heart, you know, like, even sizes, now that he gave up on that, like, he, you know, like everybody did, you know.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, I think that was the common. But.

[Jase Robertson]

Except if none of that happens, then.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, what happens to us?

[Jase Robertson]

Our whole lives look completely different.

[Jason Robertson]

Right.

[Willie Robertson]

You read passages like, faith comes through hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But when you see that happen. Because that's what happened. He heard the message of Christ in a bar, and it produced faith.

[Jason Robertson]

Right. And it took a while. I mean, it didn't take right off the bat either.

[Willie Robertson]

Exactly. But.

[Jase Robertson]

But seemingly nothing happened. And then I. Even in the book, I say, I wonder if Bill was driving back, going, well, that's a day I'll never get back in my life. You know, like. Like it didn't. You know, the guy didn't. Didn't do what it was. And so.

[Willie Robertson]

Well, Phil's actual first response was, according to the story was unbelievable. But for a pastor to hear that, you're like, oh, no, it's believable. He's like, unbelievable. I mean, because he was. Phil was being like, that's so incredible. It's unbelievable.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, the second round, he said, it sounds too good to be true. Now he's. His heart's coming to. And he says, that was the other line. The other line was, it sounds too good to be true. And. And Bill said, oh, it is too good, but it is true.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Willie Robertson]

I think the third line he said was, what's the catch?

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, What.

[Willie Robertson]

What's. What's.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, what's the catch?

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jason Robertson]

I mean, this doesn't.

[Jase Robertson]

Which sounds like that says, that's so Phil. But so then I go through. And the inspirational part for me was even to think about Bill. Like, I mean, how many preachers do you know would jump in their car and drive to another state, go into a bar, talk to a crazy person who's. I just don't know if I know a lot of guys who would do that.

[Jason Robertson]

1%, a very small percentage.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, most people would just, you know, be like, nah, that's. You're gonna have to tell him to come.

[Willie Robertson]

And I think that because I kind.

[Jase Robertson]

Of imagine what it was like. Like. Like Bill told Jan, yeah, tell him to come to church, and we can. We'll talk to him after. Ah, he ain't coming to church. Tell him. Can you go to where you were? Well, it's a bar. Okay, which one? In town? Well, it's not even in town.

[Jason Robertson]

It's not even the state.

[Jase Robertson]

It's not even in the state. It's like, okay, let me get this Right. You want me to drive to another state and talk to a man who doesn't want to talk to me?

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

Like, he doesn't want this. He's not begging and all that.

[Willie Robertson]

I think you got to be at a place. Your faith, too. Because, like, there was one time in my life I drove to a bar.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

Over a discipling. One of our new Christians. I remember that. And I thought. I look back on that. I wouldn't do that now. I'd be like. But there was a time there where I thought. And I remember asking Missy, but Missy was like, what, are you crazy? And I was like. And I actually camouflaged my look because, you know, I was new in the faith pretty much. I mean, seven or eight years in. Because I thought, I don't want to be seen at this bar either. Or then somebody's like, I saw Jace at the bar the other night. So I like. You know, I actually wore a bandana, and I. Hey, I like that look. Yeah, I did.

[Jason Robertson]

He was auditioning.

[Willie Robertson]

We sat in the parking lot, and it was packed. The honky tonk. I don't even know if they're still here. It was in Monroe, but. And it wasn't five minutes. And the very person, out of all these hundreds of people came walking out with another new sister. Two women busted. And I just walked up there, which I was thinking, because she was saying, what happened?

[Jase Robertson]

We were sharing what had happened.

[Willie Robertson]

Jesus was somebody else. And they said, well, yeah, you know, y' all just brought this girl to the Lord, and she's going to the bar every night. So I called the girl after the study. I was like, I'm getting reports we're sharing Jesus with somebody. And you're. You supposedly declared Jesus as Lord. And she's like, wasn't me. Not me. But then we heard it from another source, and I thought, is this girl lying? That's why we just said it was like New Year's Eve. And I thought, I know what people do on New Year's Eve. I was like, let's go up there and just see five minutes, she comes stumbling out. And so I went up there thinking. I was thinking about the argument. We're gonna have a confrontation. She's gonna cry. Oh, she cussed me out. I was on her turn. How dare you come up here?

[Jase Robertson]

Jay's found out that once somebody has.

[Jason Robertson]

Kind of crossed over to that other side, they'll do just about anything.

[Willie Robertson]

A week later, she did apologize. And, you know, I mean, it worked out. But.

[Jason Robertson]

So, by the way, this is the 40 day devotional. And there's a. One of the devotionals in here. You talk about light and dark. And it really reminded me of what Jason was just saying, how you come out of a lifestyle into light and that's what changes everything. But the last thing you want to do is go back into the. Where you were.

[Jase Robertson]

Right.

[Jason Robertson]

You know, was part of. That's the crossover, I guess.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, that's the lot. Yeah. I mean, when you're talking about. Yeah, I use a lot of those. Light, darkness, death, you know, life saved, lost. I mean, you know, so you. What you're trying to do is get on the initial stages, which Jason's talking about, then that's the next stage. Right. The next stage is where you go from, you know, then trying to live, you know, and like, even in the Bible, you know, when you go into the letters to the churches. So on this initial phase of trying to get people to start thinking about, how do you share that? Like, how do you. How exactly do you share that? Because as I'm running around, I'm like, I realize most people don't know. They don't know what to say. Like, they're like, oh, that's so awesome that Bill drove to that bar to talk to your. Your father. But then when you put yourself in that situation, you're like, would you know what to say? Would you even know where to start? Bill did. He knew. He knew the story he was going to tell Phil. And what I found that so many people today, they just don't know. And it's not that they don't have the desire to know. They want to know. It's just not the system. And how we do this, we don't know how to, you know, we're not telling people exactly what do you say? Or how do you share that? And so, and then to start getting people, when I'm sitting with someone, what we're trying to figure out is, which side of this are you on? Are you in the dark? Are you in the light? And Galatians 5 is one of the best examples of that. To me, that's written down the acts of the sinful nature. And he says, and here's the fruits of the spirit. You died to this. You're no longer like this. This is how you are now. And so I usually read that passage to them, trying to tether them, tether them to the Bible.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Dave]

You guys look nice today. What do you got going on over there?

[Willie Robertson]

Well, we are wearing true classic. We are.

[Jason Robertson]

And it's Truly classic, Dave.

[Willie Robertson]

That's what happens when you get older and you're wearing something that's very comfortable. And they say True Classic.

[Jason Robertson]

And let me tell you, Jay says he's wearing them today. The best blue jeans I've ever owned are True Classic.

[Willie Robertson]

You know why? Because they don't feel like blue jeans.

[Jason Robertson]

Right? Because they're super soft and comfy.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, they're blue and that's about where it stops. But they are definitely a grade above.

[Dave]

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[Jase Robertson]

So I don't want to tether them to me because I may not ever see them again. And. And then there's also other problems when you, when you start following somebody just because of them, you know, you're like, oh, I look up to you so much. And so you want to tether them to the Bible. So on this initial phase, are we in the dark or the light and people. And it's interesting, you know, when you're going through that with people in their life, what they think. Most people think they're good people. You know, I think I'm good. And so. And so you're trying to find, where is that at? You know, are we in the light, the darkness? It is a journey that we're talking about. Even feel like there's a, even the girl that was. That went to the bar. I don't, you know, which we used to like. It was such a. Yeah, like you're at a bar. Like, like that. It.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, yeah, that could be your.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't. That doesn't. That's not your whole life, you know, it's whether. Trying to find, you know, this journey. And we see that the Bible, where it's like, I wanted to give you more but you couldn't handle it, you know. And you see this. Even Peter, look at him, you know, I mean, just outright lying, you know, just literally telling a lie. Yeah. I think at the point right before he's in Acts preaching, he's telling a lie. So it. And it. Which is not telling.

[Jason Robertson]

He would have seen the least qualified to be the first guy up.

[Dave]

You know, even as, even as a Christian. I mean, our post resurrection and Peter was a racist in Galatians and Paul said I rebuked him straight to his face. So you even see post resurrection, it's a process. Right. It's a process of being sanctified. That gives me a lot of comfort.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

That's what happened to me when I shared that story. We all of a sudden had this. People just started coming to Jesus. I don't know how many people was brought to the Lord those first couple years. Right when I got married. But. So then you're like trying to make that transformation permanent now. That's why I said I would never go to a bar now, because it's just kind of part of the process. I mean, even that girl today, she's. She's still around.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, she's.

[Willie Robertson]

So it's been. What was that? 30 years?

[Jason Robertson]

30 years ago.

[Willie Robertson]

30 years ago. But back, you know, you're just kind of young and immature thinking, okay, we're gonna get them all in and we're gonna all keep them in.

[Jase Robertson]

Now.

[Willie Robertson]

But it, it just. You can't, you can't handle all that because the bigger the number gets when you.

[Jason Robertson]

You start out.

[Jase Robertson]

But I would. You would. I mean, I would go in a bar.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, never exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

But back then, that's actually where our story started.

[Willie Robertson]

Back then I was thinking too, a little bit too legalistically, you know what I mean?

[Jason Robertson]

Well, right, yeah, Yeah. I mean, because wherever the conversation is to be had and you start the book. Book with that. I love the idea that conversations lead to conversion, you know, which is true. And that's exactly what happened in dad's case. But it happens in many cases. I mean, I. That. That is what leads.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, it's here in the word, you know, I mean, it's what you just said. It's hearing the word. And how are you going to hear it if you don't have a conversation.

[Jason Robertson]

Which is what Jesus. Romans 10, right?

[Jase Robertson]

With your mouth or I guess I. I guess technically with your computer. Yeah, you know, I mean, or your phone. That's right, yeah. I mean, you can commute. You are writing a letter, you know, so you could communicate. I guess there. There are other ways, especially now, like. Like I was just hearing Jay say.

[Jason Robertson]

He was.

[Jase Robertson]

When you were saying it was basically a Bible study through text. Now, if you go back 10 or 20 years ago, we'd all said, through what? Like what? You know, I remember the first text I ever got. This guy said, just text me. And I went, text you? He goes, yeah, just text. He said, it's way better and easier. And I was like, well, I'll just call you. And he said, no, don't call me, just text me. And so just having to get that. So there are new ways.

[Willie Robertson]

Oh, there's new ways.

[Jase Robertson]

So there's new ways to get the gospel out to other people. However, I still think face to face contact, I mean, that's what we're getting to in life, right? We're just going to eliminate all interaction with human beings completely. So I still think the gospel is going to get out that way, but it is through the conversations and basically the whole. If you think about Phil, I always say this, I can trace that back. So now hundreds of millions of people all over the globe have been touched in some way by the gospel from you, you, me, Zach, our whole family. Now, for us, where that started was back to Phil and Kay in a small town in Southern Arkansas. No money, no fame, no. Just the long trail of heartaches and tears and dumb bad decisions and sinfulness. From right there, you can go forward and realize, look at what the gospel has been out through podcasts, through books, through television, prayers, then the show, movies, all this. And you can trace all that back. That's amazing to me that you can trace it back to. Here's where that started. Here was the conversation that happened. So the inspirational part is, well, who knows who that person is? When somebody goes out and has that conversation with someone, you never know what God's going to do with it. And so then it's like, I'm like, so who could you think of the kind of the Phil Robertson types of people. And everywhere I go, everybody knows those people. It's the guy who's not there. He's not there. Like, oh, I wish he was here to hear this. He ain't there, or she's not there, and we may have to go take them.

[Jason Robertson]

Somebody's got to have that Conversation.

[Jase Robertson]

You never know who that is. And so. And the idea is from the book, which Phil didn't write down, which he probably. I always wanted to feel, you know, it's people with him. But like, you know, when you sat in those studies, which we heard a lot of those when we were kids, we would see. We'd see the old boys walk up or the couple come down the house, and you would. And so I would listen to how. What he would tell them and the journey they would take. And so the book was for people, so that you can start to figure out what are some of the places I can start in the Bible that I can start doing that? Because the idea is. So if you think about a church, there's a guy standing in front talking, and there's a thousand people sitting in pews. Well, and I always say this, if you wanted to get your message out, would you take the one dude or would you take the thousand? If we wanted to get out the word, that duck commander is the best duck call out there. Well, give me the thousand. Every day I want the thousand going home, going to work. And so I thank the gospel, you know, that's.

[Jason Robertson]

You see outside people's buildings that say, you're now entering the mission field. You know, that's. That's the idea is.

[Jase Robertson]

And so it's to get them. And most people just don't know that. So, like, on one of my journeys, I was in. I was in Florida a couple weeks ago, and a guy comes up and he hadn't read my. But he knew who I was. And he sits down, he's telling me about where he's at in life. And then he was talking about, I don't know if God wants me here or somewhere else. And he's really. And I said, well, let me ask you this. Do you know what the gospel is? And he just looks. He goes, yeah. I go, what is it? So he tells me he had most of it, right? And I said, do you know where you would. Where could you find that? You know where you could just open your Bible and show that to someone or me? And he goes, well, I'd have to get on an app. And I said, I said, you don't know where it says there and a app for that. And then he goes, actually, I don't know. I said, so if you told someone that. If you told someone the good news of Jesus, but you don't even know where it's at in your Bible, and you're trying to figure out whether God wants To use you. He was really big way. Does God want me to lead this or lead that? And I brought it back down to the simplest thing. If you don't know where that is in your Bible, you may need to start there. Yeah, I said. Because you can start doing that tomorrow. Yeah, I said. And I told him. I said, when it becomes obvious. When it becomes obvious that you are a leader of people and that you are trying to convert people from the world, when that becomes obvious, you'll probably. You'll know your next. You know, where to go next, you know? Yeah, because I think people just don't. They just don't really open their Bible, read the Bible that much. You know, they get little snippets. I think this is why this. While this podcast was so great, just because it is. It's taken, you know, from the Bible and then. And then applying it. And I think the. Applying it is the. I mean, you can know it all and you can read it all, and you can. And I think you can get kind of inward in your own walk in Christianity, where it's all about. It's in and. Yeah, so my book was trying to spin it, going, it's all about the out. It's. It's Zacchaeus. When Jesus says, this is why I came to.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, that's one of the why I'm here.

[Jase Robertson]

Yeah, this is why I'm here, to, you know, save what's lost. Jesus, I mean, he basically is telling you, this is the reason I came.

[Dave]

So what was it like when you guys bought your first home?

[Jason Robertson]

Well, for me, it was. We bought the little shack next to mom and dad down there, and I was financed by my grandpa.

[Willie Robertson]

For me, my thought was, it's better than a tent.

[Jason Robertson]

Barely.

[Dave]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't have a financier like that. I had to go through a traditional route. It was pretty intimidating, you know, but buying property, it's. It's probably the most important decision that you're going to make in terms of your investments and how you build wealth and how you.

[Jase Robertson]

You.

[Dave]

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[Jason Robertson]

You said that Zacchaeus was just trying to get a better seat. I like the way you framed that. You know, because he climbed the tree so he could get a better look at Jesus. He's trying to get a better seat to see what was going on. And what he didn't know was, is the conversation was coming that was going to change everything for him. And he didn't even really know what was coming at all.

[Jase Robertson]

When Jesus just said, yeah, he invited himself to his house. Yeah. Now, I don't know that that never happened. You know, here's the deal. They're always different.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

It wasn't the same thing. I think what we tried doing, churches, we're like. We have this pattern, you know, it's like, we got to have this. The right method of. It's always different. You know, he just invited himself over to his house. It was a bold move. And he could have said no, you know, but I thought it was, you know, and we've all kind of been there a little bit where, you know, you come into a place and people want to see you. You know, a crowd gathers, like, oh, you know, like, as I walked through the airport. That's one of them Duck Dynasty guys, you know, it's like, you can tell. So Zacchaeus, I think, is like. He's wanting to see what the big deal is, you know, like, everybody in town's there now. No one likes him in that town. You don't. We don't find that out, you know?

[Jason Robertson]

No.

[Jase Robertson]

One really likes this guy.

[Jason Robertson]

I always like comparing him because Luke did. Luke 18. He does rich young ruler and comes right back in 19 with Zacchaeus. So I felt like Luke makes the comparison of the two, because what you see is that one guy was so well liked and so respected and yet didn't have the heart for it and walked away. And this other guy, who nobody liked, he instantly said four times, I'm paying. I mean, where. Jesus didn't even say anything to him about his money or anything.

[Jase Robertson]

He just said, we don't know what exactly he talked about, but we know this.

[Jason Robertson]

He just said salvation.

[Jase Robertson]

He started making a lot of life.

[Jason Robertson]

Changes he did in the moment.

[Jase Robertson]

And I could almost, like, I know that personality type. Right. You know? You know, the. It's the type that would go and try to get the better seat. You know, he's. He's definitely. And then once he gets all in, I think that was. That was. That was Phil. Like, once you got Phil on the right thing and then he took off. And so it's just. It's such an inspiration, I think, that for how Phil changed. And then, you know, we saw that at the funeral. Right? I mean, we saw the funeral. What really mattered. And that's what I kind of been talking about here recently as well, to take that the full way and to find out what really matters in life. Because I've always done a thing on obituaries. I just read one because of Duck Dynasty. I get a lot of obituaries because the. It'll say. And he loved his. He loved working on his cars. And you could always find him. His favorite show was Duck Dynasty. And it's some guy in Wisconsin, some guy in Missouri, you know, and you're just. And then you just. You basically got a couple of paragraphs of your whole life.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

We're gonna sum it all up.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

And here's the kicker. You don't even get to write it like somebody else writes it.

[Jason Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jase Robertson]

It's what they think about your whole life. And so I think it's a good icebreaker, I think. I think when you. When you. When you want to change your life.

[Willie Robertson]

When you're like, what would they say about you? Yeah, it'd be a good question.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jase Robertson]

I mean, what would they say about you?

[Willie Robertson]

I just thought about this, because yesterday we had this random text, and. And I told Missy. I was like. We were actually bringing up the text. I was like, do you ever think in our world I would get a text like this? And I read it to Her. And I won't say the guy's name, but he's like, hey, man, you were on my mind this afternoon as I was reading some scripture. I just want to say thank you for always being a beacon that points so many towards the true light of this world, Jesus Christ. So I kind of stopped and scrolled back because I would call this guy an acquaintance. And I scroll back, and I was like, oh, he came to the Lord a couple years ago because we text about it, you know, and I gave him some duck calls, but I haven't laid eyes on this guy in a couple years. But then it says, I'm thankful that God brought me to that poker game 20 years ago that ultimately brought you into my life. And I thought, wait, what? I mean, because I had no memory of that, but from his experience, because.

[Jason Robertson]

You were in your world within your world.

[Willie Robertson]

I was in a world within my world. But evidently a conversation, to your point, Willie, that led somewhere to him going through the Gospel or whatever. And I thought, well, because it's not. Ultimately, it's not us. I mean, I love how you started your book off talking about the Great Commission, because we just did this thing in John or did this thing. We're in his prayer. Jesus was like, as the Father sent me, I'm sending you. Well, then he says that again because I went down a rabbit hole, because that word sinned. There's two different Greek words for that. And so I was like, this could be groundbreaking. Really wasn't, but it was interesting. I think that one of them is like an apostle, the word apostle for that sin, as Jesus was given this authority to represent the Father, the Godhead, and he was sent on a mission. And then he sends us in the Spirit, in the literal spirit, the Spirit of Him for this kind of temporary mission that we have. And so understanding those different words, it's all over Philippians and. And maybe because I think you'll hang around for another podcast, I'd like to share that. But really, my point is, it's really not about us. God is just using flawed people who have been redeemed through him to share this wonderful good news, and that's the draw. And even in a text like that, that was the draw in there that. I mean, I wasn't involved in the Bible study. Whatever I said that night must have been something that thought, that's weird in that setting, because we were talking about going to a bar, and now, well, who goes to a poker game? Well, he's thankful enough of that encounter and that's about God and not us.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, I want to get into that on the next one, because that's exactly where we are in John 17 is Jesus says, because now I. And the Father sent me here, now I'm sending you. And so that whole concept, he hits that in that text. I want to read this one before we close this out. I'm not sure if it's in the book Will, but it jumped to my mind in Philippians. No, Colossians 4, 6. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. I mean, that's exactly what you just described, which is going to be the.

[Willie Robertson]

Little rabbit hole I wanted to go in. Philippians kind of has that same. It's like the vein of 1 Peter 3:15, where he's like, in your heart, set apart. Christ as Lord, always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason. But I hope that you have. And then. And Phil's compliment to you, but do this with gentleness and respect. Be kind. Yeah, be nice about it. Gentleness and respect. But give an answer. So.

[Jase Robertson]

Well, because I do think. I think what we're fighting against is somewhat of an inward. You know, I think people, they get inward. So when they come, when they leave the darkness and when they enter the light, does anybody tell them, like, hey, now, your mission is to go after other lost people just like you were. Is that being very. Is that being told to people where they understand? I don't think it is. I think it's like, okay, now you're.

[Jason Robertson]

Now, you're now just trying to live and not sin.

[Jase Robertson]

That's it. Try to mission.

[Willie Robertson]

You make it.

[Jase Robertson]

It. Try to show up as much as you can once a week. Try to get involved with it. We don't tell people to do it. Just try. Try your best, you know, try to read your Bible, find you a good church, you know, And I, I'm. I think it's the. It's probably the.

[Jason Robertson]

It's not.

[Jase Robertson]

It's not such a bad. That's not a mission. And so you wonder why so many people in the church are like, is this it? Like, I don't. It's an hour and 15 minutes a week.

[Willie Robertson]

And I'm like, it's survival versus revival, you know?

[Jase Robertson]

So you see what I'm saying? We get so inward. And then people are like, oh, I read my Bible. Do my. You know, and I'll even say, you know, the Bible, like, all of that. It's the inspiration of the Bible. But it's already done. If, if we're, if we're not seeing that lived out in our lives, it, it will it would have died.

[Jason Robertson]

All that that's just 2000 year.

[Jase Robertson]

That's how you see misspeak. Another prayer where Jesus is like I'm not going to be here. We, we're following something that we can only see it through what's in us. You can see it'd be like a.

[Willie Robertson]

Marriage, you marrying your wife and then on day one you hand her a book and say just read that and do your best.

[Jason Robertson]

And we'll, and we'll I'll check back at the 25 year mark. All right, we're out of time, but we'll, we'll pick this discussion up next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.