Ep 1180 | Willie Robertson Saves a Man’s Life with One Word & How to Write Your Gospel Playbook

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1180 | Willie Robertson Saves a Man’s Life with One Word & How to Write Your Gospel Playbook
Released: October 6, 2025

Overview

In this episode of Unashamed, the Robertson family (Willie, Phil, Zach, and guest Bible teacher) dive deep into personal stories of faith, the real-life impact of sharing the Gospel, and practical insights for everyday evangelism. From a chance encounter that prevented a suicide to tips for equipping yourself as a “gospeller,” the conversation moves through relatable humor, biblical exposition, and motivational examples.

The show also centers around their latest resource, Gospel Courage—a “Gospel playbook”—and explores how everyone, not just preachers or missionaries, can confidently and simply share their faith.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Everyday Evangelist: Reworking What Evangelism Means

• Breaking Evangelism Myths:
  The hosts reflect on common hesitations around the term “evangelism”—how many assume it's only for professionals or missionaries, when in fact it's about everyday conversations.

  • “We don't want to give the impression that you have to be an evangelist to perform evangelism, because everyone … should be sharing Jesus, have conversations.” (13:24, Willie)

• Biblical Foundations:
  They cite Ephesians 4 and 2 Timothy 4:5, emphasizing that the “work of an evangelist” is for all believers, not a select few.

  • “I start most conversations in an airplane or whatever, revolving around: How did we get on the planet? Or do you believe in God? What are we doing here?” (15:57, Willie)

2. From Theory to Practice: Personal Gospel Encounters

• Impact of a Single Conversation:
  Willie shares a moving account:

  “I did a podcast a couple of days ago ... a guy came up to me. He said, ‘I was going to take my life that day, but something you said … I didn’t.’ And he’s still alive. I never would have known that.” (38:17, Willie)

• Starting a New Ministry:
  Inspired by Lee Strobel’s message, Zach created “First Step,” a room in church for follow-up with those deciding to follow Christ, filling a gap most churches don’t address.

  • “We have ministries for widows, for teens ... but where’s the actual ministry for what I feel like Jesus was saying the most important thing: to seek and save the lost?” (09:41, Zach)

• Personal Growth in Evangelism:
  The group recalls their own learning curves in sharing the Gospel, stressing it's a process—practice and repetition build confidence.

  • “I think about when I first started sharing the gospel ... it was probably pretty horrible at first, but over time ... I could share all of that with you now, off the top of my head.” (36:44, Guest Bible Teacher)

3. The Power of Testimony and Simplicity

• It Starts with Your Story:
  You don’t need theological expertise to begin; just share what Christ has done for you.

  • “How do I share Jesus? ... With your mouth. Just tell what He's done in your life. Don't over complicate this.” (50:16, Willie)

  • “You can start with the word of your testimony ... even if you don’t know the Scriptures yet.” (50:48, Guest Bible Teacher)

• Notable Moment – The One Word Answer:
  When someone asks, “How do I share Jesus?,” Willie's simple reply (“With your mouth”) highlights how sharing is less about formality, more about personal relationship. (50:16)

• Defining Gospel Confidence:
  Zach compares preparedness in faith to a quarterback knowing his playbook—sharing the Gospel becomes second nature the more you “practice your playbook.”

  • “If you’re unprepared, it’s obvious ... but when you know the playbook, you’re looking at the defense, you’re thinking through, ‘okay, that's what they’re showing me.’” (33:01, Zach)

4. Scriptural Depths: Contrasts in Faith and Living Out the Gospel

• Two Camps, Two Outcomes:
  Using Galatians 5, the group illustrates the contrast between lives led by the flesh and those filled with the Spirit.

  • “There's two camps. You have the spirit-filled people who are my world, in the world. And even Galatians 5 ... you're seeing two camps.” (19:38, Willie)

• Biblical Q&A as Evangelistic Model:
  Jesus’ frequent use of questions is highlighted as an effective evangelism tool.

  • “Jesus was perfectly comfortable with asking questions and then seeing where that would lead.” (16:38, Willie)

• Recognizing Missing Pieces:
  The story of Apollos (Acts 18:24–28) shows that even gifted, passionate believers may lack some crucial understanding—and benefit from humble correction and further study.

  • “This is the guy probably leading your church ... but he didn't know about the Holy Spirit, which would have been a huge game changer.” (26:07, Phil & Willie)

5. Overcoming Barriers and Fear in Sharing Faith

• Addressing Ignorance and Fear:
  Many believers feel ill-prepared or afraid; the discussion returns to how love, genuine interest in others, and training reduce this.

  • “If you wouldn't have a problem introducing your wife ... describe your relationship with Jesus.” (49:45, Willie)

• Training & Resources:
  The importance of tools like the Gospeller and new Gospel Courage devotional are emphasized for equipping Christians (“ambassadors of Christ”) to share more effectively.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Willie:

  “Just tell what He's done in your life. Don't over complicate this.” (50:16)

• Zach:

  “I think about it like, I'll ask her, ‘What do you want to eat tomorrow night?’ … I'm thinking about that right now.” (31:45, Metaphor for preparation in faith)

• Guest Bible Teacher:

  “The evangelist is just, that's somebody who brings good news … I have such good news for you. I could not wait to tell them that all their shame and guilt could be washed away.” (17:47)

• Phil:

  “Some people are better at this than other people … but I think everybody … is an ambassador.” (40:25)

• Willie (on Galatians 5):

  “Most people are reading that thing and—me, me, me—but the fruit of the Spirit, love, joy, peace … if you're in the wrong camp, you're not using those words like God is using those words.” (19:38)

• Zach (on being unashamed):

  “When we get in the game … just read the book of Acts. Just read it. Go. Like these cats were all in.” (55:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:04] - Show begins: “I am unashamed.”
• [03:21] - Phil recalls encounter with Lee Strobel; Zach speaks about being “roped in”
• [07:52] - The problem with the word “evangelism” and its role in churches
• [12:21] - How evangelists/evangelism appear in Ephesians 4 and 2 Timothy
• [15:57] - Willie explains the simplicity of starting spiritual conversations
• [17:47] - Guest Bible teacher on the excitement of sharing the “good news”
• [19:38] - Willie on John’s Gospel, Galatians 5, and “two camps”
• [26:00] - The story of Apollos and missing pieces in faith
• [31:45] - Zach compares spiritual preparation to making dinner
• [36:44] - Learning to share the Gospel “by repetition”
• [38:17] - Willie’s story of saving a man’s life with one word
• [41:13] - “Apologia”—the defense of the Gospel and sharing with love
• [50:16] - Willie: “How do I share Jesus? With your mouth.”
• [53:16] - Emphasizing the unpredictability and unseen impact of faithful conversations
• [55:56] - Zach’s charge to “get in the game,” drawing inspiration from Acts

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Practical Guidance (“How to Write Your Gospel Playbook”)

1. Start Where You Are:
   • Share your personal testimony; you don’t need every answer, just tell your story.
2. Ask Good Questions:
   • Follow Jesus’ lead in the Gospels: use questions to open conversations and discover where people are spiritually.
3. Prepare, But Don’t Wait for Perfection:
   • Practice sharing, learn key Scriptures, and grow through experience.
   • Use devotionals (Gospeller, Gospel Courage) as guides.
4. Don’t Fear “Failure”:
   • Even seemingly unsuccessful encounters can have lasting, life-changing effects.
5. See Everyone as a Gospeller:
   • Some are more gifted as teachers/apologists, but all are “ambassadors.”
6. Stay Motivated by Love:
   • The most compelling witness flows from genuine care for others’ welfare.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rich encouragement that “gospelling” is not just for pulpit types. It’s for anyone willing to share, listen, and love. With authentic stories—serious and humorous alike—the Robertsons demystify evangelism, illustrating that your story in Christ matters, that conversations (even small ones) can be profoundly impactful, and that the simplest witness can literally save a life.

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Transcript

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[Willie Robertson]

I am unashamed.

[Zach]

What about you?

[Willie Robertson]

I mean, look in the middle of me saying that we don't have mansions over the hilltop. Think bigger, Zach.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

He said, this is the real reason why I didn't say much in the last episode.

[Willie Robertson]

Willie, here's what he tells me. Look, look, here's his argument. I was like, what is exactly is your argument, Zach?

[Zach]

You tried to keep your head back.

[Willie Robertson]

He said, you're right on the line of being a gnostic. I didn't even know what that was. I thought I needed to blow my nose or something. I thought gnostic. Yeah, I didn't even know what that was. And I didn't want to say, what is that?

[Zach]

No, we talked a lot about sharing the gospel last time and I forgot Zach was there. I didn't hear from him for about 45 minutes.

[Willie Robertson]

By the way, you don't have to explain Gnosticism to me because after our study, I bumped into Jeffrey Kent. You know, he's a Bible. He's a Bible. Oh, yeah, steady guy. And I said, so. So I was. We just had an argument. I was. Let me see. Because maybe I'm wrong here. So I went through the argument and he.

[Phil]

So you went. That could be wrong.

[Willie Robertson]

Well, I just thought.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

I couldn't get over why he was a passive aggressive. I could be wrong.

[Willie Robertson]

I couldn't. I couldn't figure out why he was pushing back on that. Because he agreed with us on John 14. That that was. I was like, why didn't you bring this up in John 14? Because he agreed with us it's not talking about I got a mansion over here. It's just talking about where the. We have the Holy Spirit in us. That is the room. That is the mansion. We are the building.

[Phil]

Well, you capitulated and said is if it's. We have a mansion, maybe that's you.

[Willie Robertson]

I was trying to give an olive branch after that.

[Zach]

He was trying to be kind.

[Willie Robertson]

Change I. To we. That was my act of kindness. And he's like, okay, so we agree. I was like, no, if we had a change in the song, I was wanting to do away with the song. Yeah, let's not.

[Zach]

Let's not only say cancel, guys.

[Phil]

It's only been around 150 years.

[Willie Robertson]

Let's not sing it the first. I mean, we come, we drove up here, we got kids, we all. Everybody.

[Phil]

Well, so back to that. So we're. We're rolling here for a while. But we are rolling. Yeah, we've been.

[Zach]

Of course we're rolling, son.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Oh, okay.

[Zach]

Time is money, buddy.

[Willie Robertson]

We can't get off.

[Phil]

So I wanted to mention one of the things that the first one I read in here. Well, because I was just flipping through, you mentioned going to Lee Strobel was someplace and he was speaking and about evangelism or about sharing your faith, because he had written a book called the Case for Christ.

[Zach]

You know, it's wild. It was in Colorado Springs. This is where I just came from. Yeah, it's wild. I just think that's wild that like. Like as you read the book of accents, like these places, and I mean, all through the Bible, but it's like there's a place here and a Pl. You know, where you didn't. Were, you know, like when Jesus said, hey, you guys are going to. You're going to preach it in Samara. You're going to go. And I'm sure at the time they were like, I ain't going there.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah. Like.

[Zach]

And then ultimately that's what happened. Stephen gets killed. Here goes. Where did they go? It's exactly back to Acts 1. It's. It's where they. It's where they ended up going.

[Phil]

But the interesting thing about Lee is that he was an agnostic, really an atheist. And so he set out to disprove the Bible. That's what got him kind of into it because he was an investigative journalist and he was an ex cop, too.

[Zach]

And I didn't know who he was. So if you don't know who he is, that's fine, because I didn't either, because I was there actually. Zach. Zach wrote me into speaking at this thing. And let me just tell you right now, I had a bad attitude at the time anyway, and so I'm like, what is it? Zach really wanted me to be at this thing. I did need to be there. So I felt like God. God was trying to get me to be somewhere I didn't want to go. I was like.

[Phil]

And he was using Zach's.

[Willie Robertson]

Like that.

[Phil]

He's like a jockey.

[Zach]

And. But Zach had some other insights into how God was using him. And so. And so he. He really needed me to be in this particular place. Like, Zach needed me. And I feel like ultimately, God now that. I mean, now I can look back at it after 10 years, because the book, I mean, it was part of the inspiration of it. And so I got to this thing. I. I really was walking in. I look at. I said, what is this again? And I didn't even know it wasn't. He says, oh, it's this. And so we talked about TV and positive television or something. And. And for me, it was just another G. I was like, ah, it's just another thing that I'm going to do. And I didn't have the spiritual vision at the time. So then he. They offered me to stay. And one of the classes was. It just said evangelism. Lee Strobel. I never. I didn't know who Lee Strobel was, but I knew what evangelism was. And I said, oh, this is a religious thing. And I really didn't even know it was religious. You know, that's funny. And so I said, I'm going to go hear this cat talk about evangelism. And so now, later, Lee tells me, when I'm sitting in this way, I wanted to. So I was. The whole time, I'm just writing notes. I mean, it's just like I was.

[Phil]

Which is what I would do if I was really something inspired me. I'm going to be. My head's down. I'm taking.

[Zach]

I'm eating this. And Lee thought I wasn't paying attention. He thought I was like Jason Church or whatever. You know, you get one song and then he's off that, and then he's writing his own bill. So. So Lee thinks that I'm like Jay. Like, I'm not paying attention. I'm on my phone or something. I literally am just writing. I mean, I'm just writing everything this cat's saying. And I didn't know his story. I didn't know who he was. I didn't know any of that. And, and he would mention his book or his movie, and I was like, I don't. I don't know who this guy is, but, but that was some good stuff.

[Willie Robertson]

So.

[Zach]

And then when I took. I didn't even. I didn't go talk to. I just, I took that straight back home and then went to a group of people and asked some of the questions that he had that he had said, you should go ask these questions, which led me to doing a, A Bible study for.

[Phil]

Cause you started that right after.

[Zach]

Right. What we called first step. And so, because he, he and Lee was talking at the time, like, we, we don't. There's no ministry for evangelism or ministry. If you don't like that word or know that word. There's no. Well, it's funny. That's a funny word, because when I came home and said it, a guy, a man came up to me who lives in this town, and he said, willie, you keep saying this word evangelism. And the guy said, I don't like that word. That word scares me. And I went, really?

[Willie Robertson]

The.

[Zach]

And I didn't realize for him it had a negative connotation. And so what we did was. It was a first. Oh, yeah. So that argument. Well, we can't. Yeah, just don't get me. Don't get me on that.

[Phil]

Well, then they say it's not in the Bible, but it actually is. The Greek word is in the Bible, but not. It's not translated to English.

[Zach]

Well, the main thing was it was about sharing the gospel. So we started a thing where it was called first step. And I think a lot of churches have things called next steps. And so that's getting into that kind of what we talked about last time. So. But what is that first step? So, and the problem I had was that there was a right at the end of the sermon. And this is, this is pretty much everywhere I go. It's the same. It's funny. Churches are also different. This one, a lot of them do the same thing. So right at the end, hey, if there's anybody here, you know, 30 seconds, you know, if you want to make Jesus Lord your life, you know, pop a hand up, boom, boom. See, everybody's got their heads, eyes closed, except for the, you know, so you don't know. Is that. Thank you. Thank you. And so something's going on here, and then it's over, and everybody walks out. And I, I, I told the, the pastor, I just said, I don't know. That I don't know. Everybody knows exactly what they're doing. I don't know what. You know. Yeah, like, it's a. It's a big thing, but I don't know that they know. I said, is there any way that I could. Now what I. What I said, what I'd like to do is get up after every one of them and then go about another 30 minutes on what that exactly means.

[Phil]

What did you just do?

[Zach]

And I said, and I'm assuming you're going to say, no, we can't do that every Sunday.

[Phil]

Right.

[Zach]

Thirty minutes after, I said, okay, so can I have a room? Is there someplace I could go to where we could explain that more to those people or anybody who didn't raise their hand or whatever. And so we created this little room. It was called First Step, and it was the funnest room in the house. And all this came from hearing Lee, because when Lee said, there's no specific category for evangelism or sharing the gospel, and he said, we have tons of ministries. We have ministries for widows, we have ministries for teens, we have ministries for singles.

[Phil]

We have college kids.

[Zach]

Yeah, where's the actual ministry for what? I feel like Jesus was saying the most important thing, the Great Commission, the, you know, this is why I came to seek and save the lost.

[Phil]

Where most people, it should at least be on equal par with all the others, it's nowhere.

[Zach]

And so he said, go ask. When you go back to your place, go ask who's in charge of that. And they're going to say, the pastor, along with the other 600 things that he has to do. So I asked the question. They said exact same, I guess the pastor and. But then the cat. They were smart. They called me about a month later, said, we don't have that ministry. Do you want to start it? And now I'm in the position. That was my move to where I. Yeah, now I'm leading them. I was like, well, open my mouth. I guess I gotta go now. And so, so much of that came from Lee. And then later on, I called Lee and we have become friends. And. And he said, it's funny, that first encounter, but it really started this idea of what that means. And so a lot of what I wrote in the book Gospeller was some of it what I actually learned in the class, because there was so much misinformation where people didn't know. They thought evangelism or sharing the gospel, they had it connected to missionary. I mean, for real, most of them thought that's what missionaries do in other countries. They do they didn't see it as something that happened, which is kind of.

[Phil]

The catch thing about that word. Cause it sounds like it's not just what we do every day, but it sounds like something that's done somewhere else or has to be official or whatever. To your point. So, Jase, we're hitting into October, and you know what that means.

[Willie Robertson]

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[Phil]

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Phil]

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[Willie Robertson]

Well, because my point is. Okay, I just looked it up. The word evangelist is mentioned three times in the New Testament, right? But one of the times is in Ephesians 4, remember, where he says it was in the church. He gave some to be prophets, teachers, some to be evangelists. The word evangelism is just a word that we said that means preaching the gospel. But I was looking at the word like, well, that would be something that only an evangelist could do technically, which.

[Phil]

Is kind of what has happened.

[Zach]

You're going to love this story.

[Willie Robertson]

You know where I first got into this argument, you remember at White's Ferry Road, Mike Kellett was the youth director. And every year they had a teen seminar. And the name of it was, yes, Youth Evangelism Seminar. So I pulled o' Kellett off to the side I've been studying, and I said, I think we need another word for E there. And he's like, what? Evangelism. We're trying to get people to preach the gospel. And I said, well, we don't want to give the impression that you have to be an evangelist to perform evangelism, because everyone should be representing Jesus, should be sharing Jesus, have conversations. I had that as more of a Jesus style as the Father sent me, I'm sending you. But that prayer is then all the believers we represent, we're light and salt, which when you think about those metaphors, by us having the spirit and proclaiming Jesus, we're changing the environment, which is what salt and light does. In whatever environment we're in, we have conversations, that's what we do. So that's where that kind of argument came from. It's like we're not talking about just what missionaries do, we're talking about sharing Jesus. Because there is a difference. Because even the second time it's used to Timothy. Remember when Paul told Timothy, he said, do the work of an evangelist. Second Timothy 4, 5, he had just said, remember, preach the word. So that's a preacher. What I'm getting at, what your book is about is more, and I like that word, gospel. Er, you're having conversations, you're asking questions. I mean, I've said many times I start most conversations in an airplane or whatever, revolving around, how did we get on the planet? Or do you believe in God? What are we doing here? What is the purpose of life? What happens next? What happens when we die? All these things that, that are coming from, like Acts 17, in Paul's famous little sermon there, he's addressing those same things. Remember when he's like, God gives all men life and breath, everything else. He determined the exact times for us to be here. God did this so we would seek Him. It's kind of given the answers to just basic human questions. Right? And also, Willie, we've noticed in John, Jesus asked over 300 questions in the Gospels, he was only asked by other people a little over 100, which I think is ironic. I mean, Jesus was perfectly comfortable with asking questions and then seeing where that would lead. And a lot of times when he was asked a question, he would ask a question in response to their question, which is really the epitome of conversations, because I know you have a section in there about listening also. But I think that's how we share Jesus in basic conversation, which normally the basic human questions are, where are you from? And then we say a state or whatever. And so every time when somebody asks me where you're from, I say, well, I believe I was created by God Almighty. I say that. Which is awkward and uncomfortable for somebody to say that in a seat than an airplane. But you would be amazed at how that one answer then say, oh, are you a preacher? That's usually. Because I usually have my Bible out too. And I'm like, no, I'm actually just a believer, but I do share Jesus to the world. I think that's why I'm here. Well, I've already answered two basic human questions, and they're not offended. They're like, huh, well, how did that happen? Well, that's the greatest question in the world. It's like, well, you know, this Bible is actually about a person. I mean, it's about the one who created it that just debunked most of what people believe, which is the Bible's a rule book or fairy tales or, you know, it's quite the incredible book. And next thing you know, you're having a conversation about Jesus and their life, and they usually just start confessing their problems, their faults, without really knowing it. Like, well, at one time I believed in God. Then this happened. And to me, if you want to call that evangelism, I view it as it was a conversation about Jesus from a spirit filled person.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Well, the evangelist is just, that's somebody who brings good news. And I was at a. I had a Bible study this past week with a couple. And it's kind of rare that you get into the kind of conversations where somebody comes in and they're just like, like, I'm done, like, I'm empty. They know. They know the situation they're in. And they were telling me. I always kind of start with, well, tell me your story. And as they started telling their story, but they came in for the express purpose they wanted to know. And the more they got to talking and sharing their background and the pain and the drama and the trauma and their own sins. I mean, the abuse, I mean, just the whole thing. The more they talk, the more I just kept thinking, I'm getting so excited because I have such good news for you. I could not wait to tell them that all their shame and guilt could be washed away. But sometimes it's a little more difficult because it's hard to get people to see their need for the Savior. That's why, Willie, you said in the last podcast, I love that approach of going to Galatians chapter five, because that is a real, like, that's a real contrast, right? You show that the acts of the simple nature, and people are like, yeah, that kind of sounds like me. And then you can say, well, here's the fruit of the spirit. How are you doing? Are you experiencing love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness? Like, those are the things I think that when you can show that, like that, that really is like a shocking thing to bring people to the conclusion of. Wait a second, I don't have peace in my life right now. Yeah, I am searching. You know what? My family's in, in turmoil. I'm not loving each. We're not loving each other. We're not. There's no joy in my life. To me that's like a really good like pre evange to set the stage of what are we actually calling people into? Ultimately it's the fruit of the spirit, right?

[Willie Robertson]

Well because what you're doing is, I think it's coming from John. In his prayers 17 times he mentions world and we're not from the world, we're not of the world, but we're in the world. I'm going to send you in the world. Jesus was constantly saying that. But by doing that he was saying there's two camps, there's two worlds. You have the spirit filled people who are my world in the world. And even the Galatians five the same thing. You're seeing two camps. And so a human being who's not familiar with the Bible, they're indirectly thinking, well which camp are you in? Because it's pretty easy to figure that out once you read the two lists. Is your life characterized by the acts of the sinful nature, sex, which are obvious, purity, fact. Well, most people are reading that thing and me, me, me. But the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace and most of those words, if you're in the wrong camp, you're not using those words like God is using those words. You're thinking oh I love so and so or you know, I love the New Orleans Saints. You know, we're using love in a way that's from the wrong camp is my point. I mean true love, sacrifice, being unselfish, those kind of things. And what's the difference in being happy in this world and then being joyous in Christ? Big difference. They don't really know that. But you're still, I think drawing the line of there's two camps, which one are you in? Look at what this has to offer, look at what this, look at the rewards.

[Phil]

And to your point earlier, Will you said talking about how just being in church or in a church you can still miss what's, what's the whole, the whole picture. And I think it's when you see that in John 13 when Jesus washes the disciples feet, they're all 12 there including Judas. And then that's the dividing point for him. Remember it says right after that he leaves because Jesus said, one of you is going to betray me. And it said Satan entered him. And then he just walks out of the room. So he missed the whole part about the Holy Spirit, which was the next discussion and the prayer in John 17. So he was so near the whole situation, but then he wasn't, because he.

[Willie Robertson]

Had made his think about practically how many people. There's four men here who have shared the Gospel with a lot of people. How many times have you seen someone give a religious experience? Then throughout the study, they read stuff like Galatians 5, and they're like, even though I had this religious experience, my life has looked like Camp Number one, which is of the evil one. And then they're saying, well, maybe I didn't understand. I mean, I would say half of all the studies I've had, yeah, a lot of them people had had a religious religious experience, and a lot of.

[Phil]

Times a bad one that then turned them south even more.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

But never manifested the fruit of the Spirit.

[Phil]

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[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

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[Willie Robertson]

So then they're like, well, we have a problem. Of course. I'm like, putting it on them. I'm like, well, you're the ones got to figure out where that went off the rails. But. But all of a sudden, it's disarmed. Whatever theology they claim to have. It's like, well, my life does not look like this, so why is that?

[Phil]

Right?

[Willie Robertson]

And I think that's a conversation that's awkward. But.

[Zach]

And you can't just be missing something as well. Maybe, you know, maybe they're somebody that's. You can be a believer. It's. It's interesting. Like, I think about Apollos. Think about the. The list that was read about him knew the word spoke for. I mean, this guy was like. But he didn't understand. Yeah, he didn't understand Acts 18. He didn't understand that. Well, then who sets him straight on. It wasn't even Paul. For now these are two that he had just bumped into because I love the other names, because you start seeing how other people work, you know, and.

[Willie Robertson]

So that's worth a read, though it's 1824. Look, it said he was a learned man. He had a thorough knowledge of the scriptures. Then verse 25, he had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately.

[Zach]

So. So right there, this is a. Upper level. This is the guy probably leading your church.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Zach]

Think about it. To speak like that and do all that. But he was still. Well, it was still missing because then.

[Willie Robertson]

It says, though he only knew the baptism of John, which you have to kind of stop there and say, so he didn't even realize the spirit had been poured out. The spirit could indwell you. But he had all this other. He was believing in John's baptism, which is, there's a Messiah coming. And so they're like, what did they do? So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. And here's Priscilla and Aquila. They heard him and they invited him to their home conversation and explain to him the way of God more adequately.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's big.

[Willie Robertson]

Which is like, wait, what? And the fact that he listened, which showed that he had a good heart.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Willie Robertson]

Because most of the time, if this guy had those five credentials and he's speaking boldly, courageously.

[Phil]

So that's a perfect illustration that it's not always that stark contrast to Galatians 5 about lifestyle. This guy had a good lifestyle, but he. But he didn't know about the Holy Spirit, which of course, would have been a huge game changer for him.

[Willie Robertson]

And probably. Probably he didn't know that Jesus had done all these things. Even though it says he taught about Jesus accurately, but it was still tied to John's baptism. Like, there's a king coming.

[Phil]

You know what?

[Zach]

He probably was.

[Phil]

He was probably what Paul describes about himself in Romans 7. He was probably that guy. In other words, he could see it, and he understood that something was happening, but he's still fighting that inner battle of just release that you really don't get until the Holy Spirit resounds, which is exactly what happened. But then, as you said, Will, it's not just 2,000 years of history. How many people are like that out there right now every day, you know, waiting to be unleashed?

[Zach]

Well, and I think we've got to be open to that. There may be something missing, that something in our lives. We're like, ah. And then. So you got to be open to that.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So you can't be like, got it figured out, Got it all. I know every, you know, we laugh, but we really think we do that. Give me the issue, and I'll tell you what that is. And like. Like, I was. I was one of my travel companions. I. He was saying something about a guy, and he was like, I don't think he. He said something about what's going to happen in heaven or hell. And then the guy's looking at me like, I mean, can you believe he believes that? And I said, well, do you know what's going to happen?

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach]

He's like, well, I mean, I know what you think, you know, but you don't really know. So. But he was so ner. He worried about. Well, he. He. You know, does he have it right? We were talking about Match over the Hill, but it's like, you may think one thing you might get there be like, well, I missed that one, you know? Yeah. You know, I missed that whole thing, actually. I went to. I went to First Peter and read about Jesus, whatever he was doing to those souls back in The. And I mean, blew his mind. He's like, I've never read that in the Bible. I said, well, I'm telling you, when you get into it, you know, there's some things that we probably just don't know. And I think Apollos was the one that was the one who. I mean, this cat is a flamethrower, you know, but he had this thing wrong. Then we'll see in Acts 19, same way. Holy Spirit. And they were baptized again. That was this re. Baptism, which. I love that it's in there, because when we're talking about people's experiences, when I'm talking to somebody and they're like, well, I was in. You know, I was six years old and I got baptized. And generally what I do, you know, I was at some camp. And usually what I just say is, well, how's it been since then?

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

How's life been since that happened? And then you can. Most of the time it's terrible. It's like, well, then I got on drugs, and then I did this, and.

[Willie Robertson]

I had to thank God.

[Zach]

It's this whole thing where you're tying that to. You know, a lot of people are tying that to something.

[Phil]

You entitled it in the. In the devotional day, you Don't Need a Bath. Yeah, yeah. That was the title, which was good.

[Zach]

Which actually came.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Yeah, that's what Peter says, right?

[Zach]

That's what he says.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, which I think that's the. To me, that's the biggest thing, though, especially when it comes to, like, coming to faith or getting baptized. Like, baptism is a death and it's a new birth. And I think a lot of times Phil would always ask that question, when did you die? And that's a big question, because if you can't think back when I was six years old, that's when I killed that old sinful man. But then, like, well, how's it been since then? Well, it's been pretty rough. Yeah. That is a big objection. That I get a lot in sharing the gospel with people is they did the thing. They said the prayer, whatever it is, but they didn't really die to themselves, and they weren't married with Christ and raised to live a new life. And that's what really this whole thing is about, is our own. We're actually being connected with Christ in his own death, burial, and resurrection. So we're participating in the gospel, and we kind of have a mini gospel of ourselves, right I'm buried with Christ through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ is raised from the dead, I too, may be raised to live a new life. That really was Paul's method when he would propose.

[Zach]

Well, that was one of them. But I love that Peter says this pledge of a clear conscience is such a different. It's never said, like, you don't read that like that. And I'm so glad it's in there because I think it does help with someone who. Who may be struggling with that, you know, because. And I talk about how if you're unsure of something, you know, right now, if I'm unsure of my marital status with Corey, if I'm like, I don't know if this thing. I promise I'm not going to talk about it. If I'm unsure about it.

[Willie Robertson]

Are we really. Are we really married?

[Zach]

I'm just not sure. If I'm not sure, I'm not. So. I think there's so many people out there who are not sure. Well, if you're not sure, that's the last thing you're going to bring up in a conversation to try to be that light to someone else. You're not going to talk about it because you don't know or you don't know what the Bible says about it. And so therefore, you're kind of. You're like, I don't know what it says, you know, and so if we're called to be always prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have, my question is, then how are we preparing? You know, like, I like to cook food. My wife likes to eat food. My wife does not think about the preparation it takes to have a meal sitting on the table and everything is done at the same exact. Because you don't just think it's not thought about. When you get hungry, when you're starving to death, you have. I tell her, you missed it. Now you are going to have to drive through a window that someone else has prepared. And they say, here, and give me $20. And we thought about the preparation of food. I think about it, like, I'll ask her. I'm like, you know, what do you want to eat tomorrow night? She's like, I don't know. It's not even tomorrow. I'm like, I'm thinking about that right now.

[Phil]

Because things have to be thought out.

[Zach]

They have to be marinated. The whole situation.

[Phil]

It's a good. Great.

[Zach]

So if you're saying we've got to be always be prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have if we. And then you simply ask them, how are you preparing? What is it? What is the preparation that you do when you're unprepared? It's obvious, you know, when, when the, you know, I think about the, the, the quarterback, the quarterbacks that come out are like, when they're looking at the, they're looking down here and they're there. Well, you're just trying to remember the play. You're not, you're not even looking at the defense. Look at the guys who come out there like an Aaron Rod. He knows the playbook.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah.

[Zach]

He knows that. He's looking at the defense and he goes, ah, right there. Yeah, that's the. So when you're sharing your faith with someone, when you, the more you do it and the more experience you get, you're like, oh yeah, I know what the word says. Sometimes that may be impressive, sometimes it may not be. Sometimes the idea of church, hey, there's a group of people that could love you and all that. Sometimes that appeals to people. Sometimes it's not appealing. Sometimes they're like, I grew up in a place I hate. I hate the people I was hurt, I was abused. So when you start talking about what seems like a good thing, they're like, not a good thing for me. You're like, oh, so you can't. That's why it changes. That's why Jesus was asking a lot of questions. Because you don't know where it is. Even physical death, some people you may be like, you're going to die. That may scare some people, it may not scare other people.

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[Phil]

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[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

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[Phil]

We taught that that was kind of a method we used.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Yeah, it was a method. And then Romans 6:23, you know, the wages of sin is death, all that. And I would just go through whole thing and I had every in my Bible, like, it was just like a progression. But after doing that, I don't know, thousands of times, like, I could share all of that with you now. Off the top of my head, I know it because I've sat in it for 25 years and doing it, and over time, what's happened is. And I can't wait to see what it's going to be like in another 20 years. But being able to pivot like you said, Willie, and being able to sense that and also knowing that there may not be a action in that moment. And that's not really for me to determine when someone's going to respond to the call of Christ. I mean, when my mom took Bill Smith into that bar, that Night did not end in success. Actually, the night, if you would have witnessed it, which you could see in the movie, it looked like failure. I mean, Phil wanted to fight Bill Smith. I mean, that's not like, oh, this was a successful evangelistic moment. But in God's economy. We look back now, 50 years later, and we're doing a podcast, to your point, Willie, that we would not be doing had that encounter not happened. So what looked like failure in the moment, now we're seeing, oh, it was very successful, but you wouldn't known it in the moment.

[Zach]

And this is one piece of what we're doing right now is one small piece. Think of all the other pieces. I mean, people that you know and I mean, there's so much that has come out of that, of what happened right there. And if not, we may all be lost, we may all be worldly, we may all hate each other kind of back that acts of the sinful nature. Our lives may look completely different because we'd have come from a broken home and who knows what. But the way God does things and he's like, ah. And so you do take that and it builds, you know, and the stuff that, like when we were together, when you were in college and we were. And it may not look like a lot of stuff, but there was stuff getting poured into people. And some of the stuff, honestly, is that you'll never know. I just. I did a podcast a couple of days ago with Ed Mallette and. And he shared this stories and he was like. I talked to this guy and he came. He was bawling, crying in I don't know what state he was in. And he said, I just want you. Can you please tell Willie Robertson he took a picture with me at this event. I was going to take my life that day, but something he said in this connection we had, I didn't. And he's still alive. I never would have known that. Yeah, I'd have thought somebody took a picture of me. That happens a lot. But man. So you don't know what God. Even when you were saying, like, you may have been awful at it because it's not for you, it's for. It's what you're doing to share, you know? And speaking of Aaron Rodgers, he sat under Brett Favre and didn't even play, as he learned. And then when he gets his spot, and now he's such to the point where he really can't even run. But he's so valuable. Like, you can't even be. You can't Even run. But he's like, we need him so badly, you know, because of the experience he has or whatever. And so. So that's the way I think about it in the church. And I think we can all be prepared. I do think there's different roles. I go back and forth with this because I want everybody to be out there sharing it. But it's a big church, it's a big body, and there are. I think there's giftedness evangelists now teaching people and traveling around and being able to do that. And not everybody will be that skilled.

[Phil]

I think that's part of Paul's point. Ephesians 4. Some people are better at this than other people, just because of the nature. Some people are conversating. I think everybody. Here's what you put in the book, Will. This is day three about all of us being ambassadors. I think that's a great way to look at it. 2 Corinthians 5:20. And that's all of us, right? The ministry of reconciliation, we're all a part of that. But there's no doubt that some people are going to be a little more gifted to do something kingdom wise than somebody else. I think about Strobel because he had that impact on you. But Strobel is a great apologist, too. I mean, because of the way his mind works. He wrote several books. I mean, he's right there in Zach's vein of being able to talk about these things in a whole different way. But he's never lost this simplicity of being led to Christ. And that's where we all have to be.

[Willie Robertson]

That's so weird, y' all keep bringing him up. Because when I looked up that first Peter 3:15, the word for when it says to give an answer. Yeah, Zach, you'll like this. Let's see if I can pronounce it. Apologia.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Apologia.

[Phil]

Apologia.

[Willie Robertson]

It has a apology.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

To defend.

[Willie Robertson]

To defend. But what's fascinating. So that's in first Peter 3:15, which. Then he goes to first Peter 3, about where you brought up Jesus going back in his burial and preaching to the spirits from the died in the days of Noah. Noah, because the celestial world had contributed to the earth having to be flooded. So that was Genesis 6. We did a podcast on this somewhere.

[Phil]

Speaking of Aaron Rodgers, his brother was one of the fuzzy creatures. Exactly.

[Willie Robertson]

On the Genesis 6.

[Zach]

But Willie, here's. I'm fuzzy creature. I'm a fuzzy. I'm gonna start my own podcast, Fuzzy Creature.

[Willie Robertson]

Here's the point, then, all of a Sudden he brings up baptism, which you think, well, what did Jesus say in his burial to the spirit world of the fallen celestial beings or whatever? He's basically saying, you lost in that, because then he came back from the dead. But then isn't that funny how he ties it to our baptism and it says it saves you by the resurrection, which is what you're declaring a while ago, when Zack was going through that Romans 6, that we die with Christ. But also a good question in that is, who did we bury? Because I asked one of my family members one time when their life was looking a lot like Galatians 5:19 instead of 22, and we were trying to have trouble. We were having trouble figuring this out. And I asked that question, which was the first time brought tears, because I asked, who did we bury? Because you're not looking like the new self. But that question was really a moment, because it was a good question. Who did we bury? Where's the new person at? And so. Which led to, you know, maybe I'm fooling myself, but I brought that up just to say when I looked up that word. Apollo. Say it again, Zach. Apologia.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

Apologia.

[Phil]

Apologia.

[Willie Robertson]

So it's also used in Philippians 1 and 2 Timothy 4:16. About this in defense, but it's not kind of what you're thinking. It's more practical. When Paul said, I have a point to this, but I feel like y' all keep bringing up Lee Strobel, so I have to read this. So I want to read these two times that Paul uses it in Philippians, in verse seven, it says, it is right for me. This is Philippians 1:7. To feel this way about all of you, since I have you in my heart. For whether I am in chains or defending and confirming the Gospel, all of you sharing God's grace with me. And. And the reason I'm reading this. And he uses the same word in verse 16, which it says the latter. Well, let me read 15. It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry. This is kind of what got my attention. But others, out of goodwill, the latter do so in love, which is telling you how we should be sharing the Gospel. Love should be the motivation. And then he says, the latter, do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense. There's that apologia of the Gospel.

[Phil]

So, Zach, we're living in a time where truth sometimes can feel a little bit dangerous, and silence kind of comes at a cost. Right. When you're speaking up on especially on behalf of the unborn, absolutely.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

We've got to speak up for those who can't speak for themselves.

[Phil]

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[Willie Robertson]

He goes through, you know, famously in Philippians 2, talking about we should be united in spirit, do nothing out of selfish ambition, and then we should have the attitude of Christ. Remember that famous verse? And then when he gets to verse 19, he gives two illustrations of people who are gospeling and gets back to this. As the Father sent me, I'm sending you. This is what led me to this verse. He first brings up Timothy, and look, in 2:19, it says, I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you. I have no one else like him who takes a genuine interest in your welfare, which goes back to this love. He's like, I'm going to send this guy for everyone looks out for his own interests, not those of Jesus Christ, which is what causes us not to share Jesus because we're looking after our own interests. But you know that Timothy has proved himself because as a son with his father, he has served me in the work of the Gospel. There's another key ingredient. You got to be willing to serve. And so then he brings up Epaphroditus, Epaphroditus but watch, he says, I think it's necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus. I mean, Paul's like, I'm defending the gospel. I'm trying to do it in love. And I'm just sending you people. And look how he's described. He's our fellow worker and soldier. And the reason I'm bringing all this up, I think all these ingredients on how they're being described are the qualities that we need and the view of how we should be viewing this on getting Jesus out. But it's work. He's now sent a fellow soldier who is also your messenger, which is another way to describe it, whom you sent to take care of my needs. For he longs for all of you in his distress because you heard he was ill. Indeed, he was ill and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him, but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow. And I want to just finish this because I think it's great. Therefore I am all the more eager to send him so that when you see him again, you may be glad and I may have less anxiety. Welcome him in the Lord with great joy and honor men like him because he almost died for the work of Christ, risking his life to make up for the help you could not give me. And the question I was going to ask is, you got to think, why do you more Christians not share Jesus and are not living lives like this? And I think it's a worthy question because I think part of it is fear, because if you.

[Phil]

Part of it's ignorance, as Willie said.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah, you don't know. You don't know. Like, you're kind of looking at intimidating scriptures instead of a person, you know, which really helped me overcome my fears of sharing. Because it's like, what if they ask me a question? I don't know where the scriptures are. I'm like, well, you wouldn't have a problem introducing your wife. I mean, you don't need a book. You can describe the relationship. It's like, well, describe your relationship with Jesus.

[Zach]

You don't have to show the marriage certificate.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, I'm married.

[Willie Robertson]

Let's tell me about your wife. Tell them about Jesus. So I've had so many conversations like that because people come to him and said, I want to share Jesus. I mean, I had got Sunday morning. He's like, well, how do I share Jesus? I was like. And you know what my answer was? I said, with your mouth. And he looked at me. I was like, just Tell what he's done in your life. Don't over complicate this. And then he said, well, I don't know the verses. I'm like, well, that's on you. You need to do some study, because this whole book's about Jesus, so just pick a spot.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

But you can start. But you can start with the word of your testimony, because that's the Revelation 12 says that we overcome him by the power of the blood and the word of our testimony. So that. That is probably the best place to start, even if you don't know the Scriptures yet, which not saying you shouldn't learn them. You should learn them. We need to know the Bible. But just sharing the word of your own story is powerful for people. And maybe the most powerful thing is just, what did Christ do for you? What is your life like now that you're with him?

[Zach]

And I love the idea the blind, you know, And Lee talks about that as well. Who did this? I don't know. His name is Jesus. I was blind. Now I can see. That's all the dude knew.

[Phil]

That's good.

[Zach]

That's it. Like, he didn't know the whole thing. Just. That's where he started.

[Phil]

They were like, we're going to kick out of the synagogue. Okay.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah, well, it's like, I could care less, man.

[Zach]

This guy just.

[Phil]

He just did it.

[Willie Robertson]

Back to my conversation with this fella, and I might have been being too aggressive, I don't know, because he said, well, I'm not following you. And I said, okay, just picture yourself. Let's say Jesus comes back in five minutes, and we all, let's say, literally stand before God. And you walk up in front of God and he says, why are you here? Whatever you say is what you need to say to this person. He's like, why are you here? And I. I think you would tell the story of Jesus saying, well, I. You sent Jesus, and he died for me, and he was raised and I gave my life to him. He's like, oh, okay. I was like, that's all I'm saying. You're thinking, I guess there's got to be some kind of Bible school or memorization of scriptures. I'm like, it's a conversation with a person that's in the wrong camp. And you're like, here's how I got out of that camp in Jesus. I just think everyone can have that conversation if you're in Jesus. Yeah.

[Phil]

And look, we started out the first podcast talking about Dad's influence. That's exactly what dad and we all witnessed it. We were kids and watched it. And he would say, I was one of the biggest reprobates I ever ran. You know, I was a whore. You know, he had his little lines, but he was relating to them, that.

[Willie Robertson]

He gets it because they're thinking, me, me.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Phil]

And he said, but here's what. Here's boys. Here's what I found. And then what he did was when he searched the scriptures diligently, it was to how to express what Jesus had done for him. And that's really what we're talking about.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

And I just want to reiterate, too. You don't really know where it's going to head. I mean, even as we're having this conversation. And Willie was talking about that meeting in Colorado where he first walked into his encounter with Lee Strobel, which led to him writing the book. What also happened at that meeting, which I didn't know when I got there, was I was standing in line at that same exact meeting. I was standing in line for dinner, and I heard this Cajun guy behind me. I mean, thick, like, south Louisiana accent.

[Willie Robertson]

That's funny.

[Zach]

Yeah, this is right. Yeah.

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

And I turn around, and this guy named Troy, and he's. I said, are you from Louisiana? Yeah, from New Orleans. And. And he said, come sit down and talk to me. And we started. We sat down at a table together, and he started asking me questions and said, what's your big dream? What do you want to do?

[Willie Robertson]

What do you want to do?

[Guest Speaker / Bible Teacher]

And I was like, I don't. I don't know. You got something? What. What do you want to do? I was like, I'd love to do a movie about my uncle's life. And that conversation that actually started there, too, was the beginning of the whole, like, that and that. He literally. I mean, without Troy, we wouldn't have done it. And, like, all that started right there at that same.

[Phil]

But you know what's crazy is that so. That same guy. So Lisa finds out she has breast cancer. We go in and meet with a plastic surgeon. And within two minutes of the conversation, he said, do you have anything to do with that movie, the Blind? I said, well, yeah, it's a family project. We're all involved. And he said, I invested in that movie because my best friend is Troy. And I was blown away. I was like, doc, I like you already because you make good investments. I said, you got some money, too, didn't he?

[Zach]

He said, yeah, I got it.

[Phil]

And he said. I said, and you know who Jesus is? I mean, this was the guy who's going to be operating on your wife. But that thread, you talk about, threads, which we've talked about this whole time, about how powerful they are.

[Zach]

I spoke in Lynchburg the other day, and not at Liberty, actually, at a different thing. And I told the guys, I said it was a. It was a company. And he hired. He got me to come in just to talk to a couple other guys, just to talk to his company. Like five or six hundred guys. And I said, what would your book of acts look like? Yeah, what would it look like? What are the stories that you would tell if you're not. If you're just watching. If you're watching something and you're constantly watching. We talked about cell phones and all that. It's hard to have good stories when you're watching other people do stuff, you know? And here's what happens. I'm like, oh, have you seen that thing? This has me every day. Have you seen that thing? And I got.

[Willie Robertson]

No.

[Zach]

And. And they'll be like, oh, you got to see it. I'm like, I don't have to see it. You can just tell me. Like, yeah, no, no, I want to sit now, because you're going to show me that. Then you're going to say, if you don't get the reaction, you're going to scroll to another one. You're going to show me that. I said, I don't. I don't even want to see that.

[Willie Robertson]

That.

[Phil]

It's 20 minutes of cat video.

[Zach]

That's it. Because as a society, we're just watching other people do stuff. And so when we get in the game, which is what I've told that group, when we get out there and think about what your week looks like, what your days look like, what your musk looks like, you know, think about. Read the book of Act. Just read it. Go. Like these cats were all in. You know, I mean, all in, 100%. And so I think about that every week, like, what would it. You know, and it's just a.

[Phil]

It's just a push from. Which keeps you just rolling along.

[Zach]

It keeps moving for the kingdom of God. So I'm not caught up in just a bunch of stupid stuff that's gone here today and gone tomorrow. And, I mean, we just buried Phil this summer, and so we know, like, we all reflected on what it was, that what's really important, what's not important.

[Phil]

I think it put the urgency there. So just so the audience will know if you haven't gotten it, because we have talked about the first book, the Gospeller, which is excellent. And then this is sort of a companion to it. And this is a 40 day devotional. It's called Gospel Courage. But I know a lot of you have asked, how can we share Jesus better? I'm telling you, this is a great guidepost and you did a really good job with it, Will.

[Zach]

Thank you.

[Phil]

So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode out.