Ep 1181 | Uncle Si & Miss Kay Find Laughter Even Amid Their Health Struggles

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed Ep 1181

Title: Uncle Si & Miss Kay Find Laughter Even Amid Their Health Struggles
Date: October 7, 2025
Host & Featured Family: Tread Lively with Phil, Al, Jase, Zach, and Jay Robertson

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Overview

This episode brings together the signature warmth and humor of the Robertson family as they reflect on serious topics like aging and health struggles—particularly with Uncle Si and Miss Kay—while celebrating the restorative power of laughter and faith. The main thread masterfully weaves personal stories with deep biblical discussion, centering on the meaning and significance of God’s name as revealed in Scripture, and how even in trials or uncertainty, the Robertson family remains unashamed in their faith, finding joy and reassurance in God’s promises.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power of Laughter Through Health Struggles

(Starts ~04:46)

• Jase shares a story about a long laughing fit he had the previous night, highlighting how humor brings relief even amid difficult circumstances.
• Zach and Jase discuss the inside jokes and memes created in the family, and the role humor plays in their relationships (06:12).

  “He had made all these memes of, like, inside jokes that were about things that happened in our family… I was splitting the gut last night.” —Zach (06:12)

Notable Section:

Uncle Si’s Hospital Phone Call

• Uncle Si was hospitalized with low oxygen due to a respiratory infection, which, owing to his COPD, was quite serious. Despite this, when he called Jase while still in the hospital (possibly under the effect of medication and oxygen), the conversation was full of wild stories—like the ever-recurring tale of “panthers” in the woods (11:32).

  “I never stopped laughing... from 10:30 to 11, I never stopped laughing.” —Jase recalling Si’s hospital call (10:23)

• The episode uses this laughter as an anchor: even in the face of aging, illness, and loss (Miss Kay’s ongoing health issues following surgery), humor and family connection bring solace.

2. Facing Mortality and Accepting Aging

(Starts ~09:51, 15:07, 16:09)

• There is frank talk about aging and mortality, including stories of near misses (like Jase almost being hit by a distracted driver) and the feeling that everyone is “on deck” in life’s lineup.

• The family emphasizes prayer and continued support for one another during health crises; both Miss Kay and Uncle Si are currently facing physical setbacks.

  “We’re all on deck.” —Jase (17:28)

3. Bible Study: The Name of God, Holiness, and Oneness

(Deep Dive Begins ~17:41, Major Section 18:18-57:25)

Context:

• The group transitions into a focused Bible study, driven by Al’s preparation and Jase’s recent reflection on John chapter 17, often called “The Priestly Prayer.”
• They explore the biblical threads connecting Old Testament revelation of God’s name (especially in Exodus 3: Moses and the burning bush) to Jesus’ prayer for oneness in John 17.

Key Points & Insights:

• The Catechism Tangent: Early on, the group jokes about religious-sounding words like "catechized," blending theological meaning with family banter (01:22–02:31).
• On Holy Ground:
  • The first mention of “holy” is linked to God’s presence (burning bush, Exodus 3:5), symbolizing that what makes something holy is the presence of God, not any human attribute (28:59–35:13).
  • Zach notes the progression: the deeper meaning of God's name as "I Will Be What I Will Be" (Exodus 3:14), suggesting God's sovereignty and uncontainable nature.

“You can’t give God a name, because by giving a name, you’ve now limited who He is.” —Jase (37:33)

• The Meaning and Impact of God's Name:
  • The Lord (YHWH) becomes a title more than a proper name in Judaism; in Christian interpretation, Jesus becomes the embodiment of God’s name and presence.
  • They connect this Old Testament understanding to Jesus’ "I Am" statements and His High Priestly prayer for oneness (John 17).

“It's not about you getting the name right—He was giving him a living illustration that was anti physics on who He is.” —Jase (43:13)

• Jesus as the Name Above All Names:

  • Zach walks the group through the profound New Testament statements about Jesus: salvation is found in His name (Acts 4), at the name of Jesus every knee bows (Philippians 2).
  • The group briefly explores the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) and the messianic references in Zechariah 14:9.
  • They draw the theological arc from God’s self-revelation to Moses (“I Am”) to the New Testament where Jesus is called Lord, fulfilling ancient prophecies about God’s unified name and purpose.

• Application for Believers:

  • The discussion is anchored in reassurance—if God’s presence sanctified the ground for Moses, and Jesus’ name encompasses that presence for New Testament believers, then even trials (like health struggles) are occasions for faith and hope, not fear.

“So when you’re like, well, how am I going to pull this off? Look back at that bush.” —Jase (45:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Laughter and Family:

  "It made me feel better. And I wasn’t even—I didn’t know I was feeling bad, but boy, it was nice to laugh." —Jase, after Uncle Si’s hospital call (16:09)

• On the Name of God:

  “By giving a name, you’ve now limited who He is… It’s not about you getting the name right—He was giving him a living illustration that was anti physics on who He is.” —Jase (37:33, 43:13)

• On Christ as the Fulfillment:

  “In Jesus you actually get the name of God incarnate now, because the only way that we can access this being that's so other than is if He condescends and actually does take on a name.” —Zach (42:24)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:22 – Catechism wordplay and banter
• 04:46 – On laughter as medicine; family memes
• 09:51 – Health struggles of Miss Kay and Uncle Si
• 10:23 – Uncle Si’s (hilarious) hospital phone call story
• 15:07 – The challenges and realities of aging
• 16:09 – The value of laughter even when you “don’t know you need it”
• 18:18 – Deep dive: John 17 and the “Priestly Prayer”
• 28:59 – “Holy ground,” God’s name in Exodus 3
• 35:13 – The Lord as a title, not just a name
• 37:33 – “You can’t give God a name…” — Jase
• 42:24 – Jesus as the “name above all names” — Zach
• 43:13 – Limitations of naming God, bush illustration
• 45:54 – Application: God’s presence and empowerment
• 53:29 – Jesus’ prayer: “Hallowed be Your name” (Matthew 6)
• 56:21 – “What name are you doing this in?” (Acts 4)
• 57:25 – Wrap-up and next week’s preview

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Conclusion

Despite the sobering realities of aging, sickness, and near-misses, the Robertsons—grounded in Scripture and true to their Louisiana roots—lean into laughter, honest reflection, and deep faith. Their frank, warmhearted dialogue, ranging from inside jokes to profound exegesis, offers reassurance that the name of Jesus isn’t just a correct formula but the very presence and power of God for every circumstance, joyful or difficult. For listeners, the episode is a vivid reminder: faith and family, hope and humor, remain steadfastly intertwined.

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For further study:

• John 17, the High Priestly Prayer
• Exodus 3—Moses and the burning bush
• Zechariah 14:8–9
• Deuteronomy 6:4–5 (Shema)
• Acts 2:21; 4:12; Philippians 2:9–11

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Transcript

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[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you? Are we rolling?

[Al]

We're opening with crickets.

[Jason]

We can't even have a conversation before the podcast without Zach.

[Al]

I was talking about one of my old heroes, Russ Limbaugh. And then Zach drops in.

[Jason]

What was the words he said?

[Zach]

Catechized.

[Jason]

When I heard that, I thought that has something to do with cats. Was one of my initial. But no, tell us what it is. I'm not looking it up.

[Al]

I know what a catechism is now.

[Zach]

You want. I have to look it up because I'm like, I'm gonna probably butcher the definition, but the context that I said it.

[Al]

When you use words that you have to look up later.

[Jason]

That's what I'm saying, Zach.

[Zach]

Well, you know what a catechism is, right?

[Al]

Yeah, it's like that.

[Jason]

I don't even want to speculate. Just tell us that.

[Zach]

Have you ever heard of the Shorter or the Greater catechism, which is are condensed versions of the Westminster Confession or in the Catholic Church? You have the catechism. It's essentially that when you're catechized, it's like you're learning the doctrines of the faith. You're learning like you're.

[Jason]

Oh, that's a religious word.

[Al]

Yeah, it is a religious word, but Zach used it out of context. Well, maybe it wasn't.

[Jason]

Yeah, we weren't talking about.

[Al]

We were talking about a political figure, but I guess you could be catechized. Is that catechized?

[Zach]

Catechized.

[Al]

Catechized. You could be catechized in a philosophy as well, just like political philosophy. Or has it got it.

[Zach]

Well, we were talking about Rush Limbaugh, which I lit. I mean, back in college. And really, when I was a sales rep, I listened to.

[Al]

Oh, I was a ditto head. I listened every day.

[Zach]

That was like.

[Al]

Which, you know, now our. Our podcast is. Is like the new talk radio of those days. I mean, not just obviously politics, There's a lot of political podcasts. But that's what podcasts, to me, Zach, are now. They're next generation of that where people get their information, want to know what you think about. I mean, I was always, yeah, it.

[Zach]

Actually means to teach orally or to instruct by word of mouth.

[Al]

So it could be any.

[Zach]

So I'm listening to this guy.

[Jason]

Well, I've been Jesus sized. That's as far as I'm going. The Holy Spirit helps me to speak.

[Zach]

So, Jay, Sunday school would be to catechize your children with. You're teaching them the word, the truths of the Christian faith. So it's the process of discipleship.

[Jason]

He's never going to get off this kind of stuff.

[Al]

But we open with crickets today.

[Jason]

Well, I had. I'll tell you what I did. I'll give you a little. What they call in this production, people, the cold open.

[Al]

This is the cold open.

[Jason]

I'm not sure what that was, and I apologize for Zach for even bringing that up.

[Zach]

Before you do that, we do have to give a shout out to our friends over at Family Research Council.

[Al]

We do, Zach. And they invented the word no. Oh, no. Zach and I were just talking about it. There's organizations out there, and Family Research Council is one of those. And our good friend Tony Perkins is the one that runs it. He's from Louisiana, just a tremendous man, but he's just the frontline kind of guy. And so just every once in a while, we want to give these people some shout outs, and we want to do that for Tony and frc. So if you want to help these guys, check them out. FRC.org unashamed is where you go to support them. But just check out what they're doing. I mean, they are the front line in terms of family. So great, guys.

[Jason]

So last night I laughed for 30 minutes and it was pretty late. When's the last time you've laughed for 30 consecutive minutes?

[Al]

Now, I laughed a lot yesterday with Willie.

[Zach]

I laughed last night. Matter of fact, I haven't laughed as hard as I laughed last night.

[Al]

Were y' all talking to each other when you were laughing?

[Jason]

No, I didn't see Zach.

[Zach]

Oh, no, Zach wasn't out of this, but I, it's. It's just weird you asked that because I. I did have a moment last night about 7:30pm Eastern Standard Time, and I think I laughed for.

[Al]

Probably cut it down to the minute.

[Zach]

I mean, it may not have been 30 minutes, but I, I mean, I laughed.

[Al]

You barely laughed.

[Jason]

Are you gonna share that?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

What, what happened? Can you share while you're laughing? Might have been funnier than while I was laughing.

[Zach]

I don't think I could share it with you because it was my brother in law, Ben. I'll tell you the context. I won't tell you.

[Jason]

Well, maybe you just need to repent.

[Al]

Maybe we need some confession is what we probably.

[Zach]

Well, he had built these. I don't know who does this, but he had had all these memes.

[Jason]

What did he have again?

[Al]

Memes.

[Zach]

Memes. You know what a meme is, right? Like, it's like.

[Al]

Have you been catechized in memes?

[Jason]

Oh my goodness. I feel like he's from a different country. You know what I mean? He has all these memes.

[Al]

Memes.

[Zach]

It's pictures.

[Al]

It's pictures of like they send you on the phone.

[Jason]

Well, maybe he does need to repent.

[Zach]

So he, he had made all these memes of, of like inside jokes that were about things that happened in our family and, and he just kept putting them on the screen and they were so hilarious. One of them, I will tell you.

[Jason]

So when somebody sends me.

[Al]

Yeah, they send me a picture like.

[Jason]

I've sent those before. That's a meme. I'm memeing.

[Al]

That's a meme.

[Jason]

Memeing?

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Al]

You're memeing.

[Jason]

Is it. Can you make it.

[Al]

I mean, can you make that a verb?

[Jason]

Meming?

[Zach]

I don't.

[Jason]

Yeah, the memeing.

[Al]

I don't know.

[Jason]

We need somebody.

[Al]

You'll find somebody under 25.

[Zach]

You might, you might find one of these funny. I won't tell you all.

[Al]

You would.

[Zach]

You actually find all of them funny?

[Al]

I want to see them when I get up there.

[Jay]

Oh, you.

[Al]

I'm heading your way.

[Jason]

Probably not gonna laugh just because I'm so frustrated after the, after I got catechized into me.

[Zach]

You would laugh. Some of them have to do with adjacent people. We know one of them was a guy who. He would act like Phil and he would, you know, Phil had this way of, like, if you hung around him.

[Al]

Long enough, he would produce people that tried to mimic him. Yes, he did that a lot.

[Zach]

There was one guy that he came in to do a presentation for Ben. And he pulls out his computer and he gives a full scale PowerPoint, like, very nice presentation. But he was one of the. I'd say the. You know, he'd taken on Phil's personality and.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And as he's given this, like, elaborate presentation that he had built on PowerPoint. This is back when PowerPoint was kind of. It was. I mean, now it's kind of old school, but, like, back then it wasn't.

[Al]

I know I still use it. And I'm like a dinosaur in the industry.

[Zach]

Well, he's clicking through and something happens. And the guy's like, hey, let's face it, boys, I ain't no computer man. Which is something that Phil would say. But Ben was like, but you do in fact have a computer. And you're. And you're doing a presentation, actually presenting on a computer. You are, in fact, a computer man.

[Jason]

I think he's saying that because if it doesn't go good.

[Al]

Yeah. Then he can say it was just funny.

[Zach]

We all laughed about it. And so then shortly after that, we had a big barbecue down at Phil's house. And this guy, he. I mean, he got a plate of meat. I'm talking about, like, it was ribs. It was. I mean, it was just a pile of meat. And so the picture. One of the memes was. Was our friend with this plate of meat. And the. And the caption was, let's face it, boys, I ain't no meat.

[Jason]

So he was like, putting the opposite.

[Al]

Yeah, that was clever.

[Zach]

It was like. It was like that one after another, and I. And I literally. I was. I was splitting the gut last.

[Al]

Ben is very clever. Ben Atkins, that's Zach's brother in law.

[Jason]

So, you know, yesterday we were visiting my mom and, you know, keep praying for her. She's.

[Al]

She's.

[Jason]

She's struggling. It's a struggle. And it's been a struggle since my dad.

[Al]

Yeah, she's.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Al]

And then she kind of had a health setback about, what, six weeks ago. Yeah, she had surgery, and it's really been tough since then.

[Jason]

Well, that's the problem. It's. You reach a certain age, it's hard to bounce back, you know. Well, simultaneously, you know, while we were there, you know, I get a call and they said, well, Si was in the hospital. And I was like, oh, my goodness, what's. What's happening here? And Willie's like. Because mom was like, well, what's wrong with Si? And Willie was like, y' all are getting old. So anyway, and so I checked through s assistant because si. He doesn't have a cell phone or anything.

[Al]

There's no way to get it.

[Jason]

How are we doing? What's the problem? He's like, well, I mean, it's the concept. He had some kind of infection, just like what we would call the crud, but for Psy, you know, since he.

[Al]

Has COPD anything like that is.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's amplified. Yeah, amplified. And so they. He went to the doctor, but they sent him to the hospital because they're like, your oxygen level is too low.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And so I've been. I was checking on him. Well, about 10:30 last night, it's. It's Psy's assistant calling me. But I thought, this is weird. He didn't call me at 10:30 at night.

[Al]

You're thinking something's happened.

[Jason]

Well, right.

[Jay]

That.

[Jason]

That's. So I answered the phone. Well, it was psy. And I think they had given him either too much oxygen or some medication, because from that moment, from 10:30 to 11, I never stop laughing. He just starts mid conversation.

[Al]

And just goes in like, you've been talking to him for all night.

[Jason]

It was like we just bumped into each other. And I would throw in an occasional question, like, sir, are you in the hospital? And he's like, yeah. And I was like. I was trying to, like, check on him, like, where did you get this illness? And he was like, well, I told you about that panther. And I was like, I'm not. I don't want to. No, you have it, you know. And he's like, member? I was like, yeah, you've been talking about Panthers for 40 years. And he said he goes into this story about he thought he had run up on a pack of panthers when they went hunting until season. It wasn't like he was making this stuff up.

[Al]

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[Jason]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

I was like, somewhere in between the oxygen boost, him being in the hospital, which I think when you're nervous because it reminds you because he kept mentioning, like, kind of morbid thoughts, you know, they got me in the hospital, they didn't give up on me, you know?

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And so he said he run up on these. He thought it was a pack of panthers when they went till hunt, which I'm like, I heard about y'. All. So they didn't. It was a strikeout.

[Al]

And that turned to be. Turned out to be a good pass for you, dad.

[Jason]

And I thought, yeah, yeah. Because I was supposed to go, well, he asked it, he said, how did you know?

[Zach]

How did.

[Jason]

He was hollering, you know, And I.

[Al]

Was like, sorry, can you imagine the people on that hospital floor? Because everybody on the whole hall was hearing him.

[Jason]

Well, in the background, I could hear his assistant just rolling, you know, and. But he run up on this. He thought it was panthers, which probably means they drove by and there was a mama bear and two cubs, which I've got confirmation on that that actually happened.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But he told me all that story. And then we got back on the Panthers and he's like, you need to get off that. Whether I have proof that. And I. And we got into. Did you get it off the Internet? And he's like, no, I can't even turn a computer on.

[Zach]

I'll say, no, no, no, no.

[Al]

I was like, somebody just posted on X the last three days because it came to me because it's. And to your ex account, it says I was right. It's a picture of a black but.

[Jason]

But it's.

[Al]

Somebody sent that to me but it's been proven fault. That's not even then they had the little reader add on. It's like this is not a true picture.

[Jason]

But size assistant showed him that.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And so now he's like boys, we got it.

[Jay]

Y.

[Jason]

Like that came from the Internet.

[Al]

Yeah, exactly. It's not true.

[Jason]

And so anyway, that was. That was good. I checked on to this morning. They're probably gonna let him out today. So.

[Al]

Yeah, we've been kind of. That's been kind of running the. It's. It's. And you almost have to like, you know, when you. Your mind begins, there's almost like an acceptance of that. Mom was laughing yesterday at times, you know, but then at other times it's like sad. So I don't know. It's a tough call. It's not easy to get off.

[Jason]

But you know, his assistant sent me a text and said he. He has not said 10 words all day. And all of a sudden he wanted to call you.

[Al]

So something. He got energized and he just popped out of a.

[Jason]

Out of a hospital bed and went a 30 minute speech that if he would have done that as a stand up comedian, it would have been hilarious. Then he's like, yeah, I appreciate you check calling and to check on me. And I was thinking you call me. And he was like, it made me feel better. And I was like, no, you actually made me feel better. And I wasn't even. I didn't know I was feeling bad, but boy, it was nice to laugh.

[Al]

But somebody on the podcast was fussing at me. It may have been Angie Clauson, our friend at I am Second. She was fussing at me for saying on the podcast that now that I'm 60 years old, I use the baseball analogy that Sigh and mom were either on deck and at the plate. I don't know which one is first, but I'm in the hole, you know, I was like, this is the way it goes. This is the traditional lineup. And she was like, you shouldn't say that. And I was like, it's true.

[Jason]

I came about 6 inches on the way up here from not being here. And I'm stopped at a stop sign with enough space where it's I'm no danger. But some young woman who had her head about 2 inches from her phone was just headed toward me, you know, and I was trying to put it in reverse, but she looked up at the last second. I mean, driving way too fast. You know, I mean, right there when we pull out of our neighborhood, just veering, careening. So I thought at any moment, you know, it only takes that and you're crossing.

[Al]

Becky got ran off the road on our road by somebody texting, and they had drifted over into her lane, and she saw. And they were going 40 miles an hour. And so she ran off into the ditch and tore her car up.

[Jason]

My point is, we're all on deck.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Al]

All right.

[Jason]

So.

[Al]

So last night, I'm studying. I got Zach, I got Jason Odes here. You notice that I didn't even send notes last night because we're doing all these podcasts in a row. I just didn't have time. And the Dodgers.

[Jason]

I thought I was influencing you. No.

[Al]

Well, you did. And so I.

[Zach]

Where'd you get the. Where'd you get the screenshot you sent? I meant to ask you that on the.

[Al]

So that was out of. That was out of Charles Swindoll's book on John, but I thought it was really rich. And so I'm studying for 18, and then I get here this morning, so I have all my handwritten notes, because normally I put them on the thing and send them out to everybody. And then I get here and Jay said, well, we're going backwards. Well, Jay's got. He didn't make it. Finish his point in some past podcast. So we got to go back before we get to 18.

[Jason]

I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll compromise.

[Al]

But we need to go back anyway and set it up.

[Jason]

So, yeah, we're in John 17. And what's happened is I think I told Al this before we started. If you were ever going to bog down somewhere in your Bible study.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Jason]

I will say I'm thinking about this before I say it. I would say John 17 is one of the top three places to bog down.

[Al]

It is outstanding. In fact, when Dallas was on, he kept calling it the priestly prayer. And I've seen that in some scholars, too, you know, because it's kind of. And then NT Wright talked about it, too.

[Jason]

Excellent point. Because think of all the Hebrew references in the book of Hebrews about Jesus being our high priest. I mean, here he is.

[Al]

Well, and I had never thought about Jesus until last night. I was into 18. That there's all these showdowns with the former high priest and then the son in law, who is the high priest.

[Jason]

Oh, that's exactly right.

[Al]

I mean, all that was just right there.

[Jason]

Everything's like an opposite, which I really didn't Realize this until I just kept reading John 17 and John 18 and how God, cleverly. That's not a strong enough word.

[Jay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

It's providentially. I don't know. However you want to describe it, supernaturally, what God is doing, it's like he's almost creating the very opposite scene of what he's representing. Where if you read it, it's like when you read. I gave this illustration, I think, a couple podcasts ago. But when you have the king of the Jews in three different languages on a sign on the cross, even though the powers were kind of making a mockery of that.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

If you just went back to the.

[Al]

Romans were making fun and then the Jews didn't want it on, remember, they were like, don't put that on this.

[Jason]

So in reality, although their motivation was mockery, it was God's way of saying, here's the King of the Jews and the Gentiles. And even so you give a spreadsheet of like, Jesus going through all these trials and all the accusations, because we're familiar with the court system. And John has laid this out in a kind of a courtroom setting because.

[Al]

He keeps talking about witnesses, lights, verdict.

[Jason]

But as you look at it, what you realize is that he is innocent. I mean, he didn't do anything. And even in his speech he's like, I haven't said anything in secret. Just look at what I said as.

[Al]

They'Re talking to him in secret.

[Jason]

And despite all that, this thing quickly escalates where he goes from being arrested, interrogated, beaten, and now he's the highest form of capital punishment. I mean, he's going to be crucified in such a short period of time, although pretty much everybody agreed there's no basis other than blaspheming God because he claimed to be God and everything he said no one could actually refute.

[Jay]

Right.

[Jason]

So it gives you a picture of that. And that's my point, that Jesus is innocent. It's like God in a clever way showed you that him being innocent would be, by his death, would actually be innocent blood for the guilty.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

It's just crazy how all that works.

[Al]

And even I noticed in his book, N.T. wright painted this beautiful picture of this, and we've talked about on the podcast already, but that the garden that we're going into when we get to 18 is this recreation of. You're talking about flipping things around of everything that happened in the Garden of Eden all the way back to Genesis 2 and 3. And we've made that point that we've.

[Jason]

Made that point and we'll continue to make it. So there was a couple things I wanted to bring up just from John 17, before we get into it, into 18. But what I said on the compromise is when we get to John 18 and the soldiers come up, you know, Judas is leading this band. And I'm like you. Al this scene. When I read John 18, you said, you know, it makes you angry.

[Al]

I was angry last night.

[Jason]

I feel kind of the same way, just disturbed. Like, I can't believe this is happening. I mean, when you just read the actual narrative of how Jesus was betrayed and how this could happen in our society.

[Al]

And I learned something from it last night I didn't know. Researching that detachment of. So that's 480 people. So they guesstimated the stuff I was reading. Guesstimated. They sent 600 people to get him. Once you throw in all the people from the temple and all you got.

[Jason]

To remember, it's dark. So what do they have?

[Al]

I mean, 600 people. And there's one guy in 11 decides, scared to.

[Jason]

And they didn't have flashlight, they had lanterns. You just get this setting of, you're out in the woods, garden like atmosphere here. And here comes this mob. This guy is literally God in human form, has done nothing but help society, even from a political angle. I mean, he's great for health care. He's healing people's diseases. These people that are demonic dealing with that. I mean, you're just talking about cleaning up your society. That's right. He just send. You don't have to send the National Guard, just send in Jesus and wow, look, all these issues. He's helping the poor people that have made mistakes. He's getting their lives turned around, turning tax collectors around.

[Al]

I mean, just think about it. So, Jase, in our family, hunting has been a way of life since we were. You were like. We were a little bigger than toddlers.

[Jason]

Well, we were raised in an environment where we had little money, and if you wanted to eat well, you need to learn how to hunt and fish.

[Al]

Exactly. I mean, survival. Well, the duck stamp is one of those things that's always been a part of our lives because we was always duck hunting. And it's kind of the idea of future generations as well, because we want to steward what the Almighty has given us. I mean, we were put here to rule over creation. That was the reason we're here. And hunting has always been a part of that. And so we take that as a compliment in the Robertson family. And so our good [e-mail] do as well. So when you get your duck stamp now, you have an opportunity to not only be legal, but also to pay forward into taking care of and conserving what God has made for us.

[Jason]

Well, the good thing about this is that the money you spend for the federal duck stamp actually goes to helping keep the habitat that is conducive for ducks for future generations.

[Al]

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[Jason]

He's like, trying to get these religious people lined out, you know, because they're just misrepresenting all the things that they're misrepresenting. But there was a couple things that came to my mind is because when they come up there at him in verse four, and Jesus knowing all that was going to happen, you got to remember Judas didn't realize all that was fixed to happen.

[Jay]

Right.

[Jason]

Which I think is an important point to keep in mind. And he's like, who is it you want? Jesus of Nazareth. They replied, and maybe just asked them that because he wanted them to acknowledge.

[Al]

And say the name.

[Jason]

Yeah. And say the name. And then he's like, I am he. So this whole book has had I am as one of the references that Jesus continued to make. And in John 17, in that prayer, when he brought up the name. And there's two things I wanted to bring up, the idea of being one. And when he brought up the name.

[Al]

Let's see, while you're looking that up, 1712 says, while I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. Which was interesting because that's about to happen in this scenario. You know, he says, let them go.

[Jason]

I don't know why I put 176 there. I guess the name's in there somewhere.

[Al]

In the Greek, it's in 11 and 12.

[Jason]

Yeah, I know it's in 11 and 12, but I have it as being used in John 17, 6. So it's in there somewhere.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Oh, I see. Where it says, I revealed you.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So I have revealed your name. That's why when you look up these. The Greek references you get every time it's said, because he said it. And he also remember in 1626, where he's like, anything you ask in my name. He was telling the disciples. So we did a little bit of this, but it's 176, 1711, 1712. And then 1726 says, which is the last verse. I have made your name known to them and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them, and that I myself may be in them. I know we went over a little bit of this on a podcast, but I felt like I didn't do a very good job. So I went back and looked at my notes and I wanted to go through this again, so. Because here's why. You remember also in John 17, where he talks about this idea of setting them apart, being holy as he was sent from heaven. Set apart. The idea of holiness, being set apart.

[Al]

For a mission, for a sacred use.

[Jason]

Yeah. Well, I found this interesting. I discovered this last night. You know the first time the word holy is brought up in the Bible? I do not, Zach.

[Zach]

I don't know that.

[Jason]

Well, this is going to be exciting. Then. Exodus, chapter three. Now.

[Al]

Oh, about the holy ground. You're standing on holy ground.

[Jason]

First time it's brought up, huh? Now, isn't this something in this.

[Al]

And that's the first time you see the I am as well.

[Jason]

So with the name. And that's why I wanted to revisit this, because I left this out last time. I did a very poor job. And I apologize, I was distracted because when I went and looked at my notes, I was like, oh, I missed this. I should have done better.

[Zach]

But you got Genesis 2, 3, though.

[Al]

Just.

[Zach]

I just fact checked you. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Al]

Probably a different word, but maybe.

[Jason]

Well, I mean, as it relates to people. Yeah, so. Cause Moses was then going to. He was commissioning Moses to represent him in front of kings, and there was a job to do. So he made it holy. He set it apart the day.

[Al]

Because that was the Sabbath principal. Right? Is that where you were in Tokyo?

[Jason]

So good catch. But I'm just saying, as far as people are concerned, it's brought up in this conversation with Moses. So I want to go there, because I know we read that when we were talking about the name, but we missed a couple things. So if you go to Exodus 3, and I don't know if we want to review what we said last time about the name, like it represents the presence of God. But if you read this carefully, God seemingly didn't want to reveal the name. Now, I listened to a lecture. This guy's name is Richard Baucom. I'm sure you can find it. It's a tough. Listen, this guy's deep. And he's not a preacher. He's more of a Theologian. Yeah, theologian, teacher. And he broke this passage down, but it was so exciting. By the time I got to the end, I was like, I got to share this. So when you get to the conversations, I mean, the conversation that happened. So this is 3, 11. But Moses said to God, who am I? That I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt? And God said, let's just go back and read this. Trust me, this is going to be worth it. So chapter three, verse one. Moses was tending the flock, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness, came to the mountain of God. There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. And Moses saw that the bush was on fire. It did not burn up. Moses thought, I'll go over and see this strange sight. Why this bird, why the bush doesn't burn up. And you got to remember of all the illustrations or scenes in the Bible, this is pretty significant and different. Just think about all the things that happen in the Bible. We have a bush that catches on fire and it won't burn up.

[Al]

Which. Which breaks the law of thermodynamics. Right? I mean, yeah, I mean, this is.

[Jason]

Going to be an important point to what I'm saying.

[Zach]

It's a self generated. It's a self generating fire. Fire.

[Jason]

I like your definition. We're headed in the right direction. So when the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush. So when you see the angel of the Lord appearing in the flames, that is like God's representation. It's the Lord. I mean, he's going through the angel speaking, or however you want to. Want to get there. But this is God speaking in a bush that won't burn up. All right? And so he says from the bush, Moses, Moses. So he uses his name. And Moses said, here I am. Which is. Which is going to be funny. Don't come any closer. God said, take off your sandals for the place you are standing is holy ground. So that's why I said it's the first time in this it was related to a relationship. Yeah. Related to a human. And even today, this started where people take their shoes off. It started a custom. And another custom is that God's name as it's revealed, I will be what I will be or I am what I am. People don't want to say that because out of reverence and on who's God? God's name is. And you have the actual deal with the sandals, which I do Think it's interesting that when you fast forward to John 17, and he talks about being holy and set apart. If you go Back to John 13, here's Jesus washing the feet of the disciples. I mean, this can't be a coincidence as far as beginning in this new creation, what this represents here, which. Whatever, however you want to make, what sandals represent here. But on why he wanted him to take his sandals off.

[Zach]

I think it represents Genesis chapter three, when they. They make coverings. And so you're make. They make a covering because of their sin. And then what God's saying is, now.

[Jason]

I'm going to put.

[Zach]

Actually, I'm going to cover you. And so when you come before God, you don't come with any of your own man made covering.

[Jason]

So on Exodus, or earth made covering, you know, earthly. Yeah, I think there's something to that, Zach. Or you're not trying to use something from the earth for protection, and it.

[Al]

Collects dirt and it makes that Romans 10 passage pop, now, doesn't it? He says, how beautiful are the feet of those that bring good news.

[Jason]

Great point. Great, great point. Because it's relying on God's power, which is where we're going. But what Bauckham did that impressed me. He's like, I'm paraphrasing what he said, but we're all trying to figure out what the name is. There all this controversy about don't say the name. So even in the translation of the Hebrew scriptures, they just started putting the Lord. They translated the Lord, which was not his exact name. But since they didn't want to show irreverence, it became this title, the Lord, which, look, I didn't realize is in the old Testament almost 7,000 times. The Lord. The Lord. The Lord. The Lord. That's not the name. That's like. That's the title of the name.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Al]

So, Zach, you know, I turned 60 this year, so I knew it was time to do a little something about my weight, about my health. You're not as old as me, but you kind of had the same epiphany, right?

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

Here's where this got good. Because he's like, you know, when you look at the conversation, it seems like since God responded three different ways, that he didn't want to give his name. Now, Baucom's point was the reason that happened is because you can't give God a name, because by giving a name, you've now limited who he is. Just think of our name. You are what you are and you have limitations. And we even use that like we did with my dad a while ago. We used Phil's name like he was trapped into his ways and how he is. So Balcombe's point is if you read the conversation and you skip down to verse 13, Moses said to God, who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt, because now God has this special purpose for him. He loves.

[Al]

He's got a mission.

[Jason]

Who am I? Now we know that God is going to supply the power. But Moses not real sure how that's going to happen. We would all respond with that vulnerability and humility.

[Al]

And those first four verses, you read those four verses, that equaled 40 years of him being in the well. So Moses is not exactly confident he can pull this off.

[Jason]

Exactly. But God said so he answers three ways and you have to put them all together to see Baucram's point, which he didn't make this up. He got this from the text. I'd never noticed this is what I'm saying. So he responds three ways, I will be with you. So think about the question. Moses said, well, who am I that I should go? Well, then God said, I'll be with you, or I am with you, or I will be like the. This is where we're getting the idea of God naming himself, because he's like, I am. I will be with you. What are you worried about? And so this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you. That's why I brought up the holy aspect, because you fast forward to John 17, as the father sent me, I'm sending you. We have a moment, a burning bush moment here. And then when you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain. Moses said to God, well, suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, the God of your fathers has sent me to you. And they ask me, what is his name? Then what shall I tell them? Well, he doesn't really answer the question, but we just assume that whatever this is, God said to Moses, I am who I am. Well, what kind of name is that? And Baakwa made a good point. He's like, the reason Moses is asking that, because everybody had a God and everybody's God had a name. He's like, how are we going to. How am I going to differentiate you from all these other gods? So what is your name?

[Al]

It's the people in the Israelite nation, which is not even a nation yet, are in the most multi idolatrous nation that's ever. I mean, the Egyptians had a God for everything. See what I'm saying?

[Jason]

Exactly. And Zach brought this up last time we talked about this. The scholars have determined the better translation is I will be. What I will be.

[Al]

What was the thing we got, Zach? I will be there. I will be there. That's another way, however.

[Zach]

Yeah, well, but it's interesting because it is tied to presence, the word holy. Because I went and looked this up. It's actually the first time it's mentioned in reference to a place. And then if you read through Exodus, you actually get to the point where Moses is essentially like, even the promised land is pointless without the Presence. So what makes the place holy is the presence of God. So you see presence and place kind of connecting here, which I think is when you get to John 17. Great point is, I think when he defines eternal Life in John 17:3, that's what you're seeing. And I also think it's connected with the name because notice how he says in John 17:3 that eternal life is that, you know, the one true God, but he didn't end it with that. He says, and Jesus Christ his son, whom he sent. I think the addition of Jesus in that text there is that to your point, Jase, the name Yahweh, I don't even think they said it. I remember going to Hobby Lobby, I think it was with you. And they showed us those Esther scrolls, and I think they told us that they didn't even put in their tradition.

[Jason]

They wouldn't even.

[Al]

It's just a blank spot.

[Zach]

It's a blank spot because they're like, the name's too holy. We're not going to say the name. But what you get in Jesus is you actually get the name of God incarnate now, because the only way that we can access this being that's so other than is if he condescends and actually does take on a name. And so that's when you get to the New Testament at the name of Jesus, there's no other name under heaven by which men can be saved. You start to see the elevation of the name of Jesus Christ.

[Jason]

Okay, I'm going to get there.

[Al]

So we're getting there.

[Jason]

But don't do it so rapidly. Like the last verse I have is that Philippians 2. But we hadn't even got to the third response. So now we're at 2. First he said, I will be with you.

[Al]

I am who I am, and then.

[Jason]

I will be who I will be, or I am who I am. So then God said to Moses in verse 15, after he says, I am has sent me to you. Well, then he says, God also said to Moses, say to the Israelites, well, here's. This is significant. The Lord. Which is what? From this point forward, he will be referred as, to Zach's point, the Lord.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Which gets interesting, because when you get to the New Testament, then Jesus is just like Zach laid out. Well, people start calling him the Lord. It's like, wait a minute, what happened? And Jesus never referred to God as the Lord.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Only as we were in the Old Testament. So it starts getting wonky here. So he says, the Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever. The name. You shall call me from generation to generation. So Baucram's point was, why in the world did God. He didn't do this on accident. Give three different answers, all discussed the name. And he actually said it's like he didn't want to give the name because of the limitation that was put on him. And he said, that's why you got to realize the reason God, look at it. It wasn't about you getting the name right. He said he Was giving him a living illustration that was anti physics on who he is. Go back to the bush. It is burning up. Well, we know everything about fire. I don't know if Moses had a handle on it at that stage of physics and. But you have to have fuel, something to burn because it burns that up. And when it runs out of whatever matter there is to burn, that's over.

[Al]

And then that matter becomes something changed, different.

[Jason]

So he's telling you, I decide the very fact of trying to label him doesn't work. You're not contributing anything to who I am. If I want a fire, if I determine that a fire won't burn up or it. It doesn't need the combustibles or the matter, I'll just determine that. Yeah, this is who you're dealing with.

[Jay]

Right.

[Jason]

So you're trying to. For me to introduce myself. I just did. That is the introduction. So when you're like, well, how am I going to pull this off? Look back at that bush. So that's why when you get to the resurrection, why is that such a surprise if you can take a fire that's burning a bush and keep it from burning up? Well, you could also raise a dead body.

[Jay]

Hell yeah.

[Jason]

I mean, you control this.

[Al]

Well, think about it, Jason. I mean, that was a leading edge. I mean, like this was just the beginning of the show because then we got a staff that turns into a snake. We got leprosy that comes and goes. We got 10 plagues that, you know, first they could produce a little. And then. But at the end of the day, a whole nation of people like, because they put some blood on the doorpost, nobody died. And the whole rest of the country, everybody died.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Al]

I mean, so you're right. I mean, the wonders of this God who got so Zach, one thing I've learned is our society works much better when we go by the first amendment that guarantees our freedoms.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

It's like the name is not. It's not dependent on you to figure this out.

[Al]

I got it.

[Jason]

The introduction with the bush. And that's why he said, I'm with you. Yeah, well, you're looking. He's saying, look at that bush. But you fast forward to us today, you look at where we're headed with this, which is the resurrection, the birth of the new creation, and you're like, oh, no. I mean, we do the same thing. I'm not sure I should go down and speak to these people. What, what, what am I going to say? Yeah, well, I'll just. I'll just bring up the name of Jesus. It's bigger than that.

[Jay]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

It's what you're. You're. The name of God is an illustration of. He can create matter and destroy it. He. He can save or destroy. He can just think. He's so much outside of what we can do.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And I think it's a better way to look at it. So I wanted to read a few more, heading toward John 17. So I put Zachariah 14, 8, 9. And now, look, if you do a deep dive into Zachariah, probably, or to watch the Bible Project, you know how they summarize these books?

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

It's kind of like Revelation. The first eight chapters are. Think seven dreams. Yeah, six or seven dreams. Probably seven. But it's using this kind of symbolic language. But throughout all of it, it's a depiction that one day there'll be a new Jerusalem and there's a messiah coming, a king. I mean, it's pointing to Jesus and what he's going to do. But I thought this Zechariah 14, 8, 9 must be read on that day. Living water will flow out from Jerusalem. Sound familiar?

[Jay]

Yep.

[Jason]

Think John 7. You know, the spirit bubbling up. Think the New Jerusalem, John 4. Living water half of it east of the Dead Sea. You remember, Ezekiel kind of has that same deal. It gives life, this, representing the Spirit, to the Dead Sea. And then verse nine is where I'm trying to get to. The Lord will be king over the whole earth. Well, there's that. The Lord almost 7,000 times, which Jesus is going to be referred to. But just look at that prediction. The Lord will be king over the whole earth on that day. There will be one Lord and his name, the only name. Ooh, But I'm saying when you read John 17, a name, name, name, and 1, 1, 1. You keep seeing this. They'll be one as me and you are one. They'll be one. Well, it's predicted in Zachariah. What's he talking about? Why is he bringing up the name? So I think it comes back to Deuteronomy. This is brought up. And what is it called? The Shema? Deuteronomy. You see the same concept, but that Zechariah. Well, that's a doozy there, wasn't it, for where we're at? Yeah, so. And most people are familiar with this Deuteronomy 6, 4, 5. Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Because that's going to come up and say, we're going to do something on the Name. And then the one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Well, didn't Jesus say that? Exactly. He quoted that.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

These commandments I give to you today to be on your hearts, impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road. So you have that. Well, then you fast forward to the New Testament. So you go to something like Matthew 1:21, birth of Christ. Now we're talking about Jesus being born. I had never noticed all these little details. She will give birth to a son, and you ought to give him the name Jesus. It means the Lord saves. We'll go back to the Lord almost 7,000 times. Well, here's Jesus. Okay. Then you look at mary's song, Luke 1:49, for your name. And now we're going back to holy with Moses. You remember that, Jesus, Your name is holy, set apart. And that goes back to that burning bush. That's why God gave three different answers. It's like you don't understand. I'm apart from the gods. And. Okay, so now you go to Matthew 6, 9. Here's where I wanted to get. So even in Jesus prayer. Think about that prayer and what he's describing. This is going to be really good.

[Al]

Matthew 6, 9.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.

[Jason]

Hallowed be your name. And look what it says. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Yeah, so here's the king that, you know, go back to Zechariah 14 brought that up. Here's the. Hallowed, holy be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done. Which makes that burning bush a lot more interesting. Now, after all this on earth as it is in heaven, bringing the idea of heaven and earth together. So then I wanted to get to. We already read all the references in John 17 about the name. All right, well then when you get to John 20 and 31, I'm almost done with this rabbit hole. John 20, 31. Watch this. You just don't realize where he's using this. These are written that you may believe that. And he's talking about the book. The purpose of John writing this, that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. So where this gets interesting is you think, well, how did Jesus respond? How did he refer to God? Well, he referred to God mostly as the Father.

[Jay]

The Father.

[Jason]

And there's two different words. The Aramaic word is Abba, and that's even used. Paul uses that or the Greek word, which is. It looks like parent, paternal. So he like our Father in heaven. So but the definition of those two words are interesting because the abba is more intimate and it's like relational and the like.

[Al]

With dad, we would say dad. Like it's that kind of.

[Jason]

Yeah, and the other one is like authority. So look, my whole point is when you get to Acts 2 and they say everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved, or they're baptized in the name of Jesus. And I'll finish with this one, which is in First Corinthians 6, because here's.

[Al]

I mean, I thought of Acts 4 too, when he said, by what name are you doing this? And he goes, remember Peter, he goes on. The whole thing about salvation is found in only one place.

[Jason]

That's Acts 4. Yeah, that's a good one. But I want to read this one, First Corinthians 8. So look, he says in verse four, we know that an idol is nothing. There's no God but one. Well, that goes back to the Deuteronomy. For even if there are so called gods, whether in heaven or earth, Jesus had prayed he's going to unite heaven and earth, the kingdom come. Then he says this. First Corinthians 8, verse 6. Listen to this. Yet for us, there's but one God, the Father, from whom all things come and for whom we live. And there's but one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. So isn't that crazy how he brought all that together? Which is why he didn't answer Moses question directly. He's like, we're one, but we're distinct. He was promoting the community of God.

[Al]

And you're right to bring it up here because then Jesus takes that in this beautiful prayer and shows that connection all the way through. All right, so we'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.