Ep 1199 | Why the Robertsons Love Bathroom Jokes & Spotting the Bible’s Everyday Humanity

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode: 1199 | Why the Robertsons Love Bathroom Jokes & Spotting the Bible’s Everyday Humanity
Date: October 31, 2025
Hosts: Al, Brad, Maddie, Thema

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Overview

This episode explores the intersection of the Robertson family's trademark bathroom humor with their deep, authentic engagement with Scripture. The hosts discuss how raw, earthy realities—both in life and in the Bible—reflect the true humanity of God’s story. They move from lighthearted anecdotes about family games and upbringing to a nuanced Bible study, focusing on the plagues of Egypt, the authenticity and texture of biblical narratives, and the broader theological implications tied to the Exodus story. The episode is rich in both humor and insight, appealing to long-time followers and newcomers interested in unvarnished biblical discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Robertson Family Humor & Bathroom Jokes

• The Robertsons embrace bathroom humor as a part of their family culture, openly sharing playful anecdotes about bodily functions.
  • Poop Bingo: Al recounts his grandkids' favorite game, "Poop Bingo," involving animals and their droppings for educational fun.
    • “I'm usually the caller … the board is animals and then their poop. … And it's just bingo.” — Al (00:56)
  • Contrasts are drawn between the Robertson side (unfiltered) and the more proper side of the family, showing how their humor creates connection and laughter.
    • “That's for me, growing up, the Robertson side, it's all about poop crap. As crude as you can be, that's what will get you the laughs…” — Thema (02:54).

2. Crudeness & Authenticity in Scripture

• Hosts highlight that the Bible itself doesn’t shy away from the crude or undignified parts of human experience, and in fact, it’s filled with earthy details.
  • “The scriptures do not shy away from a lot of these, like, what we would call crude discussions.” — Brad (03:34)
  • Examples include the poetic and provocative content in books like Song of Songs and Ezekiel.
  • Connection is made to the plagues: sensory details—stench, maggots, lice—lend authenticity to biblical storytelling.
    • “Some of this poetry in the scripture is very provocative.” — Brad (04:10)

3. The Plagues of Egypt: Realism & Escalation

• The conversation dives into the later plagues, focusing on how God’s actions escalate in intensity and closeness.
  • Sensory Reality: The stench from river and fish, presence of maggots, and lice outbreaks are discussed as deeply visceral experiences.
    • “Everything stunk around us because we fished... maggots were just part of my childhood.” — Al (04:13)
  • Modern Disconnect: They discuss how modern Western comfort can dull understanding of the unpleasantness of plagues.
  • Encroachment of the Divine: The progression of plagues represents divine presence moving closer—from the environment to the personal and economic.

4. Separation and the Unraveling of Egyptian Power

• The separation of Israelites from suffering in later plagues (livestock, locusts) serves as a clear sign of God’s supreme power.
  • “When you can have people living in the same space ... and yet this group is unaffected, then you're seeing the actual… God takes up.” — Al (11:00)
• The devastation gradually breaks Egyptian pride, but Pharaoh’s resistance is portrayed as both supernatural (God-hardened) and culturally rooted.

5. Universal Reach of God’s Deliverance

• The hosts note how non-Israelites, including Egyptians, participate in God’s deliverance.
  • “There were people outside of Israel that went with Israel that were Egyptians, which is crazy…” — Brad (14:05)
  • They draw parallels to the New Testament vision of a multi-ethnic kingdom and inclusion imagery found in prophets and Acts.

6. Darkness Plague and the Fear of the Unknown

• The ninth plague, darkness, is discussed as both a literary foreshadowing of death and a deeply existential terror.
  • “It was three days, which three days just kept coming up over and over... the ultimate picture of the three days… Jesus and the going in to preach to the spirits.” — Al (19:19)
  • Personal experiences with darkness, fear, and loss of consciousness (passing out) are used as analogies for the spiritual dread of separation from God.
  • The darkness is a strike at Egypt’s core deity (Ra, the sun god) and a psychological blow to a superpower’s sense of invincibility.

7. Historical Context: Egyptian Pride and Power

• Thema provides context for Egypt’s arrogance, explaining it was the superpower of its day with advanced engineering, military, and monumental architecture.
  • “Egypt at the time, the pyramids were minimum over a thousand years old at this point.” — Thema (27:00)
  • The narrative emphasizes God's power to topple even the mightiest worldly systems.

8. Passover: Theological Significance and Ritual

• The tenth plague and institution of Passover are explored as central to biblical theology.
  • “This particular image is going to take us all the way to Christ. The blood on the door, the sacrifice of the lamb, the whole concept of Passover...” — Al (31:24)
  • Detailed breakdown of the meal: significance of eating the sacrifice vs. typical animal sacrifice, prefiguring communion/Eucharist.
  • The foreshadowing of Christ as the Passover Lamb—emphasis on the blood protecting from judgment, and the meal as a precursor to Christian sacramental practice.
  • Discussion of “priesthood of all believers” and the communal, transformative purpose of the ritual.

Memorable Moment:
“The role of the priest is to administer the communion, and then the role of the priest is simply to be eucharistic, to take in the world and then turn it back into praise to God.” — Brad (37:43)

9. Firstborn, Pharaoh, and Free Will

• The role of Pharaoh’s hardened heart is discussed; rabbinic tradition suggesting Pharaoh himself was a firstborn spared during the final plague.
  • “Pharaoh actually was ... a firstborn son ... being spared the last plague to experience ... the wonders of God.” — Maddie (39:36; Al follows up)

10. Crossing the Red Sea: Divine Agency vs. Human Power

• The hosts discuss how Israel’s deliverance is entirely due to God’s action; Israel, as generational slaves, could never have defeated Egypt on their own.
  • “So there's no military training in Israel... it had to be the hand of God because these people couldn't have done it.” — Al (42:12)
• Emphasis on God’s intention to reveal His name and glory—“The Egyptians shall know that I am Yahweh.” — Brad (43:13)
• The dramatic contrast between Egyptian might and Israel’s helplessness underscores universal reliance on divine grace, not human strength.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Robertson Family Humor:
  • “If you have a good poop story ... it seems to elevate you in the ... ability to get the attention.” — Brad (02:29)
• On Scriptural Realism:
  • “We want to curate [the Bible] and strip it of its ... texture ... its sting.” — Brad (03:46)
• On the Darkness Plague:
  • “A darkness that can be felt … a visitation of what it would be like in total isolation and darkness ... like you had died.” — Al (19:24)
• On God's Universal Intent:
  • “What you see in the end is a multi-ethnic kingdom ... in the end is a multi-ethnic kingdom of the nations all coming together to worship the one true God.” — Brad (13:23)
• On Divine Power vs. Human Pride:
  • “It’s easy to be thinking we're the force... we've got the most powerful military... but it had to be the hand of God because these people couldn't have done it.” — Al (42:12)
• On Waiting on God (Three Days Motif):
  • “I use that all the time when we talk to people … can you give it three days? Can we pray about this for three days before we make this call that we … I'm telling you is going to be a bad call.” — Al (45:34)
• On Crossing the Sea:
  • “God's presence is moving in, and that presence is going to—one liberate one, and it's going to evaporate the other.” — Brad (47:53)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Robertson Family Humor & Poop Bingo: 00:41–03:13
• Crudeness, Authenticity, and Scripture: 03:34–05:46
• Rawness of the Plagues: 05:46–07:30
• Plagues Moving Inward (Encroachment): 10:10–12:09
• Separation Between Israelites and Egyptians: 11:00–13:23
• Multi-Ethnic Kingdom Theme: 13:23–15:32
• Exodus, Power, and Passover Discussion: 31:17–39:36
• Pharaoh as Firstborn, Divine Mercy: 39:36–41:08
• Red Sea & Superpower Toppling: 41:08–47:16
• Three Days motif & Waiting on God: 45:31–47:16
• Climax: God’s Presence & Liberation: 47:16–47:53

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Final Takeaways

• The Robertsons blend family humor and spiritual depth, finding value in both everyday earthiness and theological richness.
• Authentic engagement with Scripture includes acknowledging its gritty, human texture.
• The Exodus serves as a microcosm of God’s intentions through all of history: to display His power, make Himself known, and create a diverse, redeemed people who trust His deliverance over their own strength.
• The episode illustrates that laughter, humility, and wrestling with difficult texts are all part of living “unashamed” in faith.

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For a full experience or to study alongside the hosts, listeners are encouraged to join the ongoing Exodus course at unashamedforhillsdale.com.

Transcript

[Al]

I am unashamed.

[Brad]

What about you?

[Al]

Welcome back to Unashamed.

[Brad]

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[Al]

It's funny how Maddie puts it on the screen. We get so used to. It's like it says it's not up there. It's like, you know, this Christian always remembers things. I have to take prevention to have a memory like it. Just appreciate it. I do.

[Maddie]

I do. Yes, I do. Pride myself.

[Brad]

I have a good. What's that word again? Memory.

[Al]

Yeah, memory.

[Brad]

I forgot the word.

[Al]

So I was. I was thinking after the last podcast that John Luke started with explosive diarrhea, which is always interesting to talk about.

[Brad]

It's a risky mood to bring that into.

[Al]

It is. And yet he pulled it off.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Al]

I was thinking about my. My grandkids. Their. Their favorite game to play. They like games, you know, the game of life and all these. A lot of old board games that. That I play when I was a kid. But their favorite one, Lisa Bottom bingo game, but it's called Poop Bingo. And so it's like, you know, and I'm usually the caller. That's my job because I don't really like to play bingo. But I don't mind calling because they get so tickled because the board is animals and then their poop. And so it's just. And it's just bingo because you're. You know, they get the cards and the cards have the little educational. Yeah, and educational because you. What a snail. What their poop was like in the woods.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

You need to know what kind of.

[Al]

Exactly T. Rex. I mean, it's got. It's got everything on here. I don't know how they knew what T. Rex poop is, but they claim to. And it's got the little poop, like, emoji, like on your phone that are the little bingo cards. Bingo. Poop bingo. But I mean, Mike, the grand. That's all every night when. Especially when we have company.

[Maddie]

Speaking of T. Rex, I saw this. I saw this funny video on Instagram the other day. It was this guy. You might. You might have seen this, but it's like he has this, like, illustration of, like, a T. Rex on the tv. And he's like, yeah, so T. Rex could see. You know, they could see 26 to 30 miles on the clear, visible day. The person was like, how do you know that? He's like, because of the fossils.

[Al]

You know, because of the bones.

[Maddie]

We know that.

[Al]

We know things.

[Thema]

We know that from the bones. Yeah.

[Maddie]

Like, it had incredible Eyesight? Yeah, because of, you know, its femur. It's a long femur. It's femur.

[Thema]

We can see its eyesight.

[Al]

Just trust us.

[Brad]

I'm still a little concerned that this is what's going on in your house. Like, the. The. The poop thing is, like, I feel like the whole Robertson side of the family. If you want center stage, you. If you have a good poop story, you do. It does seem to elevate you in the. And the ability to get the attention.

[Thema]

Of the room, for sure.

[Brad]

And you guys have built a whole, like, culture around this, which is.

[Al]

It's a whole game. I didn't. Who knew there was a game out there?

[Thema]

That's for me, growing up, the Robertson side, it's all about poop crap. Like, as crude as you can be. Like, that's what will get you the laughs or even just in the conversation. Whereas the other side, my mom's side.

[Al]

Howard's side, they would never talk about that.

[Thema]

Oh, never. You can't even say. Oh, you can't even.

[Maddie]

You have to say toot.

[Thema]

You can't even acknowledge that you do fart. Like, I mean, you don't even talk.

[Al]

About the bad, because if you brought that up in front of Mama Jo, she would smack you down. There's a proper and actually the correct way to be to our audience. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying we're doing it right.

[Brad]

Like, in the scriptures. I mean, the scriptures do not shy away from a lot of these, like, what we would call crude discussions.

[Al]

That's right.

[Brad]

You know, and I was going to say that that's the dark humor, which we're actually talking to talk about darkness today.

[Al]

Yeah, we are.

[Brad]

But I mean, that is kind of a dark humor. But, I mean, it is kind of, like, also part of. It's so funny. I think we try to curate scripture down to. We want to curate it and, like, strip it of its kind of texture than its sting. That's one thing I really appreciate about Dr. Jackson. He talked a lot about this when we had breakfast with him. You know, he said he was talking about first and Second Samuel and how it's such a great literary text. In the scripture, he would say it's his favorite. And then some of the poetry, and he's like, yes, but some of this poetry in the scripture is very provocative.

[Al]

And it's very Song of Songs lately. Oh, my gosh.

[Maddie]

I mean.

[Brad]

Or just like that story when you get to Ezekiel of the twin sisters, and, like, you Start reading through that. You go, this is in the Bible. It's actually very shocking to see what's in this text, because how can you.

[Al]

Have a text even written by the Holy Spirit of God through people, not be real? Because we're real. And I think that authenticity is there. And I thought about that in relationship to the plagues. This whole thing is. He starts out about the stench of death because the river and all the fish died. I grew up, everything stunk around us because we fished. And so there were always parts of fish around. We cleaned fish and maggots were just part of my childhood. Like we, we would have to go and dip. Dad would buy this big, like a 50 gallon barrel of cheese. Well, you know, the first, you know, first seven or eight days, it wasn't so bad. But imagine in our heat and that thing's sitting out in a shed. Imagine about halfway down, after two weeks, what we're talking about here. And then my job is to go out and take a scooper and put it in one of dad's old socks, which would have been bad enough with just the sock, just the socks, just the old, because they're too worn to do anything else with it. And then hang it in a catfish trap. So everything about the worst, it stunk.

[Brad]

That was like, okay, the better it is.

[Al]

Exactly. Because we're trying to draw in scavengers to then catch them. And so you see the process. So when I read it, text like this. Yeah, I get it. It's why I don't like to fish anymore.

[Brad]

Well, I think it's hard for us to. When we got into the plagues. I think that that's one of the most difficult things for. You mentioned the gnats in the last episode. Like, why would the gnats or the lice be the thing that would push them over the edge? I think it's because we've read these texts as kind of disembodied stories and we're not sitting in the actual blow of what's happening here. Which Dr. Jackson, when he talked about the stench and the smell and like, this is not, you know, rated pg. These are like, this story is a rated R story.

[Al]

And you know, and we don't because we're western and our houses are all nice and enclosed and we keep all the pests out and we got people come and spray our homes. But you go to Africa or go on a mission trip somewhere, you find out what, what flies are like.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Al]

When they're just. I mean, literally, you're walking around and you're just. I mean, they're constantly lighting. I mean, and this. Was that on steroids? Because obviously, remember, he picks up dust and he just. Like. Then. Then everything. This dust turns into this. So it is a pestilence of, you know, plague, proportion. And, I mean, I just can't imagine being covered like that. I still remember the first. I was in the fifth grade. You talking about. I have a memory of this girl sitting in front of me. And she had her hair parted. I guess she had it in a ponytail or something. And so you're looking at the back of her head. And then every once in a while I would see. See something. And, you know, it catches your attention. And I realized those are lice. Crossing the little part in the back of her hair. That was. I mean, I still remember that. Yeah, that was. That was like 50 years ago.

[Brad]

I remember my sister getting.

[Maddie]

Did you tell her that she had lice?

[Al]

I stayed away from her. I didn't even know.

[Maddie]

I didn't know if you were like, hey, you know, by the way, I'm out. I sit behind you. You have lice.

[Brad]

I will say, even to this day, people who get lice, like, there are people who have extreme phobias of lice.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brad]

Jill was doing this lady's hair one time. That was. This lady came to our church when we planted the church over in Monroe, which is right on the campus of Ulm. So it was like half college students and then like, maybe like 20% homeless people. It's a church. Phil took over when we left. And he preached there for I don't know how many years.

[Al]

Yeah, several.

[Brad]

And it really turned into a homeless ministry at the end. But one of the. I remember the first lady, the homeless lady that came in. We're still friends with her. Talk to her to this day. She's been to our house many times, had dinner with us. And she's one of the. I love this lady. We were able to baptize her into Christ. And now she's not homeless anymore, by the way. But Jill was doing her hair at the house. And all of a sudden, Jill, like, looks, and it's just. I mean, crawling with lice. And Jill's got, like, her shears and the whole thing. She's just like, okay, don't move, but you have a head full of license. And so Jill does her hair. But then Jill takes all of her, like, equipment and doesn't clean it. She throws it in the woods. She's so afraid of the light. So, so Jill would have been like.

[Al]

And then we go, you can sterilize it. You don't have to just.

[Brad]

You don't have to throw away a pair of metal shears. Lice don't live on metal shears.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I wish when I thought of lice, I think about this commandment. But you know the scene in Billy Madison when he's at the school and he is like. I think he dumped, like, salt or something. But then he has like a. I guess none of y' all got the reference, so that was cool. But it's this scene where he has, like, just a pile of.

[Brad]

Is this the new one or the old one?

[Maddie]

No, Billy Madison, not Happy Gilmore.

[Al]

Okay.

[Brad]

There's a new. Yeah, I get confused.

[Maddie]

Billy Madison when he, when he goes back to school.

[Brad]

Yeah, but it's Adam Sandler, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just say that's our generation.

[Maddie]

I'll show you the scene later. It's hilarious.

[Brad]

Well, we're, we're moving out of somebody.

[Al]

Somebody got that?

[Brad]

Somebody got somebody. I should get any Adam Sandler reference.

[Al]

But I do SNL stuff all the time in preaching, and nobody knows what I'm talking about because 30 years ago.

[Brad]

All his movies are the same. They're hilarious. But, like, it's like, I, I, I.

[Al]

Have a hard time then you don't know one from the other.

[Brad]

Was. There was like, Water boy, like, what?

[Maddie]

Happy G. They're all.

[Brad]

It's the same kind of. I mean, he's brilliant.

[Thema]

Same character, basically.

[Brad]

But we're so, we're, we're kind of like coming at the end of these plagues. So they were actually in lecture five, which is the Passover, we may get into the parting of the Red Sea moment. There's some things happening here. But we're nearing the end of the plagues, and what Moses, or God's been doing through Moses is he's been ramping up, ratcheting up the pressure. To your point, in the last podcast, these plagues, they seem to be kind of moving inward. I think the word we landed on was encroachment. It's like they're moving. This manifest presence of God for the Egyptians is moving in closer and closer to now. It was out here at the Nile river, and then it was the frogs, and it was the lice. Now I'm on your body, I'm on your person. And now we're moving into this final plague, which is.

[Al]

And remember, the death and the proximity was the way he described it, then the separation. So until We, I mean, the Israelites, the first three or so, or for them as well, because they're going through it. I mean, they're all right there in the same situation. You get death, proximity. Then you get into the separation, which really shows. Begins to show you God's true power. Because then when you can have people living in the same space, in essence, and yet this group is unaffected and this group is affected, then you're seeing the actual. To me, that's when God takes up.

[Brad]

That's a big deal.

[Al]

Yeah, he's taking it up.

[Brad]

It's like a natural disaster hits your town and everybody that's on your team doesn't get affected by it.

[Al]

Exactly right. It's a big deal. Yeah. And so all of a sudden you're starting to see that from the livestock going forward. And also, I've always heard, and I think it's true, because he said there's different way people categorize these plagues, but it definitely is now you're seeing having the whole economic. Because, you know, now it's the, you know, the locust and all the crops. And so, you know, first it was the river. So now it's like hitting everything that they would have thought as their gods or now in submission because they have no control anymore.

[Maddie]

And their livelihood.

[Al]

Yeah, and their livelihood. And so. And the. As we know, and we're just kind of following the narrative, but the people in the situation now are starting to like, cry out the Egyptian people to Pharaoh, Just stop, Get rid of it, relent. Get these people out. So now it's like in our current political world, it's like, you know, you have a poll for everything. The polls are saying 90% of the people are saying that, you know, we talk about 80, 20 issue. This is a 90, 10 issue. Now everybody's saying, get rid of these people because we're suffering as a result and they're not. And so, you know, they're noticing. And I thought he brought a really interesting thought that I never thought before about people having the option. Because now as we get into these last handful of plagues, God telegraphs it. He lets them know the day before he's going to do it. So it's like tomorrow this is going to happen. So even the Egyptians have an opportunity to get out of harm's way. In other words, if you bring in your memories, if you bring in your servants and you bring in your livestock, then you would be spared. And so we're assuming. He was assuming that a lot of them probably did it in Other words, they're like, why should we suffer? And so that's probably the ragtag group that winds up following them out. They're like, hey, this God is big.

[Brad]

Well, that's a big eschatological point too. That if you look at the New Testament and all through the New Testament and even in the ending of the entire Bible, in Revelation 21 and 22, what you see in the end is a multi ethnic kingdom of the nations all coming together to worship the one true God. You see it in the prophets. Isaiah chapter 2 paints the picture of different nations, not just Israel, but other nations coming up. So even in the formation of Israel, in the Exodus. Right. Because you're at the very beginning of the history of Israel, you see non Israel participating in deliverance. You think about Pharaoh's daughter, which I thought was such a great point that I'd never considered. I'd read the ragtag line about a great multitude, meaning that, that there were people outside of Israel that went with Israel that were Egyptians, which is crazy to think about. Right? Oh, I thought that Israel was God's covenant people. Well, yeah. And there's others coming into that relationship that were not of Israel, they were of Egypt, but through their repentance they were coming in. And then he made the reference that in, I forgot where he referenced it, that later on in scripture that Pharaoh's daughter was included in the lineage.

[Al]

It was in First Samuel.

[Brad]

I think that's powerful. Pharaoh's daughter is in the genealogy of Israel. That's wild.

[Maddie]

I feel like that even ties into Peter with the dream with Cornelius.

[Brad]

Oh, 100%. Because the dream, even when Peter, you know, our families made a whole like business on Duck commander. And you remember when Phil had that, he would do his speech and he would get to that Acts. Where is it in Acts 10, Acts 10 where Peter has the vision and the sheet comes down from heaven and.

[Al]

There'S all these like a movie screen.

[Brad]

Like a movie screen, as Phil would say, and there's all these unclean animals on it. And he says, arise, kill and eat. And Phil's joke was, hey, we're just following the commands of the Almighty.

[Al]

Order some headquarters boys.

[Brad]

Order some headquarters boys. You know, but that whole vision that Peter had, it's about people.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Was. Don't call anything that I've called clean unclean people talking about Gentiles. And so you're seeing, even in the story of Exodus, you're seeing God's heart for the nations and ultimately how he will accomplish this multi ethnic kingdom that all the nations eventually will serve him. They will come into the temple and they will worship him in his temple.

[Al]

So a reminder, if you want to take the course with us, if you're new to the podcast, you can sign [e-mail] because we'd love to have you along.

[Brad]

Yeah, I want to just set something up real quick, Al, because I know you had talked about this earlier, but I want to get there real quick because we didn't get quite to the tenth plague, which is the Passover. The eighth plague was the locusts. And again, even in that eighth plague, you see again, that the name of God is kind of the intention of making his name known. Because at the very beginning of chapter 10, the Lord said to Moses, go into Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and that the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them. And again, it's this idea that as he unfolds his power, this power would make anybody in their right mind submit. But God's got an intention here that I don't want that yet. I want to tease this story out. And so right before you get to this last plague, which is kind of the final. It's the bad one. It's the one.

[Al]

And by the way, the one he mentioned at the beginning, again, he loomed that way back when, if we don't do this, the day of death is coming. I mean, he's like, he gives that it's going to happen. And another thing about the locusts, he made a reference I hadn't thought about before. It was an east wind, which would have been coming from Israel. Which is interesting that even in the little details, you still see this idea that judgment is going to come from Israel and the east window for the Red Sea.

[Maddie]

Yeah, well, yeah, because they. Yeah, it was the east wind and they died in the Red Sea.

[Al]

Right? Yeah, exactly.

[Maddie]

The foreshadowing.

[Al]

Yeah, just a little. Just those little teasers that you get.

[Brad]

Well, I was going to say, when you get to this ninth plague, which I want to talk a little bit about this darkness before we get into, because I know you guys have some thoughts on that. This one, Pharaoh's like, okay, you see kind of the whole apparatus of God, what he's doing here, because this is the one where Pharaoh is like, just go. But then God said, no, no, no, not yet. And he just. He just hardens that heart a little bit more, says, no, we're not ready yet. I know you're going to fold under my power, but I don't want you to fold yet. We're not quite there because we're going to build this story out to the end and you see God ratchet that up. But I wanted to.

[Al]

It's so funny when you just did that. You remind me so much of Jan. You had that say that's the way she had that hand out there. And you look, she's always moving. Yeah, you had that little look like your mom because she was an am. Amazing Bible student and Bible teacher. And when I was a kid, she's like, she could walk on water. But anyway, I had that. That's a fourth wall moment like you had in the last podcast. Hey, that was pretty good. Yeah. So this darkness, it struck me. One is, I had never thought. He said his opinion is. Because I always thought like everybody else. One is foreshadowing death for sure. But the idea about it being Sheo, which is this idea of this, of a Hebrew idea of purgatory or hell or Hades later in the Greek. This place of just darkness and non existence, but existence. I mean, I'm aware, but I can feel it. But it was three days, which three days just kept coming up over and over. And I couldn't help but think about the ultimate picture of the three days. Remember Jesus and the going in to preach to the spirits?

[Brad]

It wasn't that long ago.

[Al]

Exactly. And so it's interesting that it keeps coming back to three days, because remember, that's what they said. They only were going to go out to worship God for three days and they were coming back. That's what Pharaoh's thinking the whole time, even after they leave. And then he kind of realized after three days it's like, well, they ain't coming back. So then he chases them. But this three days in darkness, at such a point, it says in the niv, stretch out your hand toward the sky so that the darkness will spread over Egypt. Remember, it doesn't affect the Israelites. They still got light somehow. Darkness that can be felt. And that's all it really says in the text. And he took that to me and it was a visitation of what it would be like in total isolation and darkness. As in Sheol, like you had died. Like you had. No, it was that much of a clingy. And I thought back to what we mentioned in the last podcast about when you go places and it feels so strongly like something terrible happened here or whatever the case may be. And so you have these little. Through your life, you have these little moments where you kind of just For a second, sense something like that or.

[Brad]

Have you guys ever. Have you ever passed out before? From anything that just happened to me recently? I had. I had my blood drawn. And I've never passed out before.

[Thema]

I pass out every time I blow or I get a shot.

[Al]

Oh, yeah. John Luca is notorious.

[Brad]

Well, I didn't know that that was a thing that I had. Like, it's like an actual thing called Vago. I forgot there's a technical name for it.

[Al]

You've had your whole life.

[Thema]

Yeah, whole life.

[Brad]

Well, I was sitting there.

[Al]

If you see blood, you pass out, don't you? Or is that Johnny?

[Thema]

No, that's not me.

[Brad]

Okay.

[Al]

That's your grandpa. I think it's Johnny. That if he sees blood.

[Thema]

If I see my own blood, like, especially like a needle, like that will make me woozy, but not like, really just like. The thought of the needle is what.

[Brad]

Just a weird phenomenon. I didn't know I had this issue or condition or whatever it's called, but. And this I don't. I'd be curious if you had this experience. So I go in to get my blood drawn, and I'm sitting up in the chair and I got my right arm out, which is where they're drawing the blood from. Well, instinctively, I was like, I'm not going to look. So I guess maybe I did know, like, something about this. I don't want to watch. And I turn my head and they begin the process, you know? And I felt like a little prick. And then, like, I just. The guy's like, sir, sir, sir, sir. Mr. Dasher. Mr. Dasher. And he's, like, waking me up. But there was a moment, like. I can't really describe it other than, like, I've never in my entire life felt this kind of fear. It was. I'd never. It was. It was the weirdest sensation. But. But it was dark.

[Al]

As you were losing the consciousness?

[Brad]

As I was coming out of it.

[Al]

Okay.

[Brad]

Because I don't remember going into it.

[Al]

It was.

[Brad]

We. I've never had anything. He said you were out for, like, 30 seconds. But it was like there was a moment where I had. I had no context for any. It was just like a free for all. Like, I didn't know who I was. I didn't know. I just complained I was existing, but I was, like, in complete and utter fear. I'd never felt fear like that before. It was the weirdest sensation. And when I finally came to, like, I had to, like, bring myself into, like. I was like, whoa. That was. I don't know what just happened. It was scary. Do you experience kind of a fear associated with it?

[Thema]

Yeah, uh huh. Especially like when I was younger, when it first started happening. Yeah, because there's that moment where you know, you're passing out and then it goes dark, but you wake up almost instantaneously. Like it's only a few seconds, but there's that like time period where it's like your brain is off but you're aware of it. And it's freaky.

[Brad]

But I thought about hell because I thought about whenever, because I thought the darkness of hell, the isolation, the lack of context, and everything that the light brings is context. And so another sensation that we've all probably experienced is you wake up in a hotel somewhere, you're super tired and you're like, it's all dark and you have no idea where you're at.

[Al]

It takes a minute. Now that happens to me and you're.

[Brad]

Like, literally like, oh my God, where am I?

[Al]

Yeah, I have to wait like now where? What?

[Brad]

Where you see that light under the.

[Al]

Door, you're like, oh, this is my wife. Okay, yeah, okay, we're good.

[Brad]

And I think that that's kind of the idea here. It's, it is a, you have no context for anything. And so it is a fear and it is a, this is a help, a prototype.

[Al]

And we're really not made for darkness. I mean, we're made for light. Like, you know, I mean like we're always drawn to light. And I remember as a kid even we live out in the woods. And now I realize it was the safest place we could ever be. But I never felt safe when I was going house to house as a kid. You know, you're running over there and it's dark and you're thinking something's going to jump out and grab you. But I realize now I was in the safest place. I'm much more dangerous in a neighborhood in town than I would be there. But it's just that we're not made for that. We're not made for dark. We're made to see. We're made for light.

[Brad]

I'm thinking about that passage in. Is it one or two Thessalonians? It says he'll be shut out from the presence of the Lord on the day that he comes to be marveled at among the saints. And so the picture of hell is separation from the presence, particularly separation from the ability to marvel at his presence. And then Jesus is compared to the light. This is the imagery of light. Light brings in Illumination, light, life and love.

[Al]

The three things from the Book of John, I mean, that are represented.

[Brad]

You're seeing the opposite of the kingdom in here. And I don't think it's an accident that darkness precedes, precedes the ultimate punishment which. The ultimate darkness, which is death itself.

[Al]

And plus, this is more. This is three days. So like, you know, people try to explain, like, is it an eclipse? It was this, that. And this is three days of utter darkness. Isolating utter darkness. And so whatever it was, it was terrifying because like you said, he finally, I mean, this moved the needle for Pharaoh.

[Thema]

Well, and this was one that was directly against their main God, Ra, the sun God. Like God has control over the sun and light. And it also. The Egyptians had a similar view of Sheol as well, of like when you would die, you would go into this period of like darkness before you kind of like moved on. So for the Egyptians, especially for like the hyper spiritual Egyptians, they're probably like, we're. We're in shield now. Yeah, we're there.

[Al]

That's a good point.

[Thema]

We've died.

[Al]

Yeah. You know, we're screwed. This is over. Yeah, our sun God is gone. Yeah, I even thought about that. Again, this trumping of the God. So it definitely was a foreshadow then I think to the 10th plague, which, which is probably what we need to transition to.

[Thema]

I got, I have one note before we talk about that, just about the, the context of Egypt, of Egypt and the Israelites at this time. The, the we've been talking about like the last couple podcasts of like, how can Pharaoh and the Egyptians, like see these things and not turn to God? Like he saw the power of God, but he didn't turn. But to just like give you context for the, the arrogance and the pride of the Egyptians. They had, they were the number one superpower at this time. This was like a lot of people think, scholars think this is about 1200 BC. Ramses II is like who's attributed a lot of the times. And it could have been that or it could have been earlier. But Egypt at the time, the pyramids were minimum over a thousand years old at this point. And that was not. That was just one of the monuments. Like they had very advanced, they were sprawled, they had these massive statues, mathematicians, all the statues. They were rerouting the Nile. Like they had full control over their whole environment. They were the number one like armies, they had political power. They had all the things and had had that for a thousand years.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Thema]

So for them, like I remember I was thinking about this, like, for them. I was thinking about when I was, like, 12 years old and I went to New York for the first time and going from, like, here, like, West Monroe, Louisiana, to, like, New York. And looking at the skyscraper. Yeah. I mean, I was like, what they. People can do anything. Like, looking at these skyscraper, I feel so tiny. And, like, that's how Moses had to feel coming back into this. And like, the Egyptians, especially the Pharaoh, seeing himself as the literal God of the number one superpower, probably the most powerful man on the planet at this time, or at least in that area. Like, he did. Even though he saw the power of God, he still thought, we are over this. We are still better than this.

[Al]

Have y' all ever been to Egypt? No. So at least I just signed up this last month. They do these river cruises, and we've done a couple of them in Europe, but we're doing the Nile river, which I'm super excited about in 27. Yeah. To. To. To literally go and stop off at all the places.

[Brad]

Maddie, on your schedule.

[Al]

Oh, yeah. Some live podcasts, Maddie. Well, you know, here's Al in remote at the pyramid.

[Brad]

You know, you were. When we went to Rome, we had that. This. This same sensation where we were. We were in Rome, and one of the guys that was with us was like. You know, it's funny. Like, you can imagine if you arrived in Rome in. In its heyday, because Rome was also a. A world superpower in its time. That was an advanced civilization.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And when you think about. You look at that. Colosseum is a great example. This thing is massive.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

I mean, this is not like, chump change. This is not like. I mean, this is something we would Even today we would do. Wow, that's impressive.

[Al]

We're marbled.

[Thema]

We still are.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Thema]

You can see it. And like, wow.

[Brad]

You built. You built giant stadium. You're like, like, wow, that's incredible. Like, we did that right.

[Al]

Couple of thousand years ago.

[Brad]

They did it without any cranes, and they did it in a relatively short period of time. And so you. We were talking about if some guy comes in from a mud hut from Africa. You know, he's like, I've been living in a mud hut in Africa. And he arrives in Rome, and then. And he's looking around, and they're like, caesar is God. He's like, yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah, okay. He's God. And I think that's the same thing here. So it's funny how God's kingdom will break into these powers and will just eviscerate worldly powers. I mean, he always does when these worldly powers will come against him. Now it's going to happen. But that's why our allegiance primarily is to the kingdom of God, because his kingdom can't be shaken or destroyed. But we move into this.

[Maddie]

Well, Thema had disoriented me for that, for the mud hut person showing up to Rome and then seeing Caesar's God and then Caesar just gets destroyed by all these plagues. And he's probably like, wait, wait.

[Al]

What?

[Brad]

I picked the wrong pain.

[Maddie]

Wait, what is.

[Brad]

Well, Rome did fall and they did fall. Did fall.

[Al]

Remember we talked about when we were in the Coliseum and somebody's put a cross up there and I don't know how long it's been there. It's a wooden cross. And we were made the point. You're like, yeah, look what endured. The Coliseum was there in ruins.

[Brad]

The best part was when Phil, totally unplanned Phil, he's filming and so he got the camera on and he's like. And there's some line like basically all empires will fall against the kingdom or something like that. But it was something about empires falling and nobody can stand or something like that. There's a guy literally walking behind Phil like a tourist and he just falls down as soon as Phil says, and no man can stand.

[Al]

And this guy just paused and he captured on camera. He just had to move. Don't forget to sign up and take our course if you haven't done so yet. Unashamedforhillsdale.com so we enter this 10th plague.

[Brad]

Here, and this is the one that hits home because this is the one where God's going to take some lives down.

[Al]

And by the way, to me, this plague, obviously, it's the one that finally breaks the cycle and gets them out. But this particular thing is the reason why Exodus, according to Dr. Jackson, and I think we would agree, is one of the most important books in the entire Bible, because this particular image is going to take us all the way to Christ. The blood on the door, the sacrifice of the lamb, the whole concept of Passover, and of course his last night, which was the last Passover ever needed, because he was the ultimate sacrifice. So to me, this is why this whole thing is so important.

[Brad]

Also, this is the reason why God hardened Pharaoh's heart. It's for this moment, because he says in 11, 9, then the Lord said to Moses, pharaoh, because this is after the threat of the 10th plague. Pharaoh will not listen to you. And he'll say, why won't he listen? Why is God hardening his heart? And he tells us that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt. Think about what he's saying there. The reason why I don't want him to listen is because I'm trying to crank these wonders up.

[Al]

You know what I mean?

[Brad]

I'm trying to expand. I'm not trying. I'm going to multiply my wonders in the land of Egypt. And the reason why is because I want people to be talking about this for the rest of history. And so Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the people of Israel go out of his land. And then we enter into this moment.

[Al]

Of the Passover, and you find out later, not necessarily here as much, but you find out later. There's, you know, around a Passover meal, there's a whole. Everything has a symbolic presence of something represented in coming out of Egypt. You know, the tears of this. And I don't have the history of it, but I've been where people do a Passover. Have you ever attended one of those where they do a Passover? Yeah. And you go through all the elements and everything had a symbolic meaning. But the bottom line was for this angel of death, like, just imagine that, like, it's coming across this nation, and as this happens, all these firstborn animal and human are dying in one evening. I mean, you talk about a slaughterhouse, and the idea here is there's such a whale of sorrow that everybody, all of a sudden, every home is affected in a nation. And as John Liu pointed out, the most powerful nation. And one evening, I mean, you talk about a night to remember or forget, and all of Israel is spared because they had done exactly what God said and the blood from the sacrifice, that they would eat the whole thing, which.

[Brad]

That was an interesting point. Right. This is not typically in the sacrifice, you're not eating, you're sacrificing it, you're not eating it. I don't know if he made this point, but I thought about this. I thought about this point. Why do they not. Why did they eat the sacrifice?

[Maddie]

Yeah, because I was reading that, too, because I always just think about the Passover of just the blood on the doorpost. But I forget about them eating the.

[Al]

I thought it was because they're fixing to hit the road and they needed a meal. I mean, in a practical sense, there may be more that you're thinking.

[Brad]

This is what I think is happening here.

[Al]

This is like getting A happy meal on the way out of town.

[Brad]

So our church, we do the Lord's Supper, AKA the Eucharist, AKA the communion. We participate.

[Al]

And there's no doubt there's some tie in there.

[Brad]

There's tie in because. Right. So you think about like when Jesus gives the Last Supper, when he does it around the Passover meal. And so.

[Al]

And he used that image, eat my flesh, drink my blood.

[Brad]

That's why we. Do you remember when we were growing up, you didn't grow up in the church. Churches that we grew up. But you remember what was interesting about the bread that we would eat every Sunday? It was unleavened bread.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Because you're going back to this Exodus moment. So we like that was a big.

[Al]

Deal because that was, that was what they did. They had them.

[Brad]

Your bread better not be fluffy now. Our church, now we're not as hardcore. Sometimes they bring in fluffy bread. I'm like, that's not biblical.

[Al]

Shame, shame. I know your name.

[Brad]

The bread would be that.

[Thema]

That's the one legalistic thing I'm holding on to. The bread should not be fluffy.

[Brad]

Fluffy, yeah, it should be fluffy. And it should not have salt on it. So like we would have.

[Al]

Can it have salt?

[Thema]

It can have salt. If you're gonna eat.

[Brad]

It cannot have salt either. You don't put saltine crackers. They're like saltine crackers without the salt.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And so that's what we would take as our communion. And then we had the, the, the grape juice, which probably should have been wine, but we didn't, you know, we didn't believe in drinking wine. So we had non alcoholic.

[Al]

But because the wine in the Bible wasn't real wine, that wasn't real wine.

[Brad]

That was not fermented according to what we're. We're digress.

[Al]

Wait, is that a thing? I've never heard that.

[Thema]

Oh yeah, to digress, I went to a church that did serve wine. And, but, and I was like, wow, they're so biblical. But then it was fluffy bread. I was like, God, they had one cancel out. Doesn't count.

[Brad]

Cancels out.

[Maddie]

Neutral.

[Brad]

When you think about this though, this is what's happening. I think that. So that when you take the communion, when you participate in the Eucharist, the imagery there, whether you are Catholic or Protestant, I mean, one believes this is.

[Al]

Really happening, it really transforms.

[Brad]

But the idea of transubstantiation is there's some truth in this. Right wherever you land on this. But I'm taking in the elements and then they're Being transformed. And so that is. So the role of the priest is to administer the communion, and then the role of the priest is simply to be eucharistic, to take in the world and then. And then turn it back into. To praise to God. And so there's this transformation. So anytime you eat, I mean, I watched you eat breakfast the other day. I was like, my gosh, but you're ta. Yeah, you're very hungry, but you're taking the baleadas from the, from the restaurant. And now that the baliatis that you ate. Yeah, it was transformed into. Into your body. Think about that.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And so.

[Maddie]

And into the toilet, back to where we started.

[Brad]

So it's a priestly duty to actually participate in this and to administer and also to that transformation. Right. And so when you get into the establishment of the priesthood, the tribe of Levi, Aaron's going to be the first priest and the high priest, and then they'll have this whole system. But they were the ones that got to eat what was sacrifice. They did eat it. I mean, like when you read the New Testament, they would take the sacrifices and that's what they ate. And so I think what's happening here is a couple things. One, we're reenacting where it's a precursor for the Lord's Supper, obviously the blood of the lamb, all of that foreshadowing Christ being the blood of the Lamb. But it's also foreshadowing that we are going to be the priests. We are the priests to the believers because in the sacrifice that we're making, we're also eating that sacrifice. And so what, what, what's that? Which.

[Al]

That's how the priest ate. That's how they all. All through their time, because that's what they did. That's how they got their substance.

[Brad]

So in this moment. Yeah, Israel is a priesthood.

[Al]

Exactly. And. And they're experiencing now freedom because this is the thing that finally releases them from the tyranny. Because now they're going to. They're going to.

[Brad]

Where's the. Where, where's the. In Peter, I wanted to read that verse that you are A chosen race.

[Al]

First Peter 2.

[Brad]

A royal priesthood.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And that. And that lang centered around the temple of God, that we are his temple, that you are a chosen race. A royal priesthood. That we are going to see this.

[Al]

People belonging to God.

[Brad]

People belong again, manifest presence. What's happening? What is Israel here? A people belonging to God.

[Al]

Well, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness and into his wonderful Light. Yeah, the idea that.

[Brad]

That is very good.

[Maddie]

Have you all ever heard before? Because he talked about. And he. He actually made this point pretty strong, but about how the, like, rabbinic traditions believe that Pharaoh actually was the, like a firstborn son. Had y' all heard that before?

[Al]

I had not. I had not heard that. And because. Because it's mentioned that even his firstborn son would die. But I never thought about him being a firstborn. Being the firstborn and then. But in. In essence being spared the last plague to experience. Exactly as you mentioned, the wonders of God. And I. Yeah, because you read about.

[Maddie]

It, you know, and he probably would.

[Al]

Have been the firstborn if he was. If he was the Pharaoh, I would think.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Well, because you read and, you know, you read God and hardening Pharaoh's heart. And so you, you kind of are like, well, why wasn't God merciful to Pharaoh? But then you learned that Pharaoh was a firstborn son, or at least that's what tradition believes he was spared. So it's a pretty. I've never thought about.

[Al]

Only then, only then to choose his own plague. Yeah. Because since he doesn't relent and he chases him after the three days, in essence, that's why he died, you know.

[Brad]

But the promise of God there was, fear not. Stand firm for the salvation of the Lord, which he will work for you today. For the Egyptians, whom you see today, you shall never see again. The Lord will fight for you. All you got to do is shut up. That's my translation at the end. All you have to do is just be silent. And so you see this coming into the Red Sea moment. I mean, like, think about, if you experience that type of. Of like tragedy, calamity at the, you know, this is coming from the hand of your adversary, the person that you're fighting against. Like, I think that at that moment, I'm like, I'm done. You win. And Pharaoh tried that. But I think again, God's still not done with this whole thing. He's like, again going to harden his heart one more time. So he already. Because it says here that he, in verse 17, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians. And the reason why is so that they'll go after. So that they shall go after them. And I will get glory over Pharaoh and all of his hosts, his chariots and his horsemen. So you see, the intention of God here is that God's going to get his glory. And the way he's going to get that glory is he's about. This has all been like a process of, I want to say becoming, but it's the opposite. It's like a process of death. And even the death of the firstborn is not the end of it. I mean, the end of the story here, at least with Egypt, is they are completely annihilated. I mean, the Red Sea just closes in on them and kills them.

[Al]

And it was done. John Luke made a really good point earlier. This is done to the most powerful military on earth by a people, but not really by the people, but by a people that are generational in slavery. So there's no military training in Israel. The Israelites, they've been generational, they've been building, you know, pyramids or something, they've been making straw, making bricks. And so it's not like, I mean, it had to be the hand of God because these people couldn't have done it. And it's kind of even a foreshadow to when they go and they conquer the member Canaan and he's like, I want you to know it's still not by your force, it's by my force, it's by my hand that this is going to happen. So I love that because the idea is sometimes, you know, we're in America and we say we got the most powerful military on Earth, which we do technology wise, all these different things. There's been world wars that are fought, but it's easy to then to be thinking we're the force, it's us, we don't need God, we've got the most powerful military in the world.

[Brad]

I think that even push the intention of God further into this is that he is saying that he wants his glory out of this. But then he almost, I think, dials in even deeper of his intention, which we've seen said already talked about in the podcast. But listen to how he ends. Right before the parting of the Red Sea, he says that thing that I'm going to get glory over Pharaoh and all of his hosts and the Egyptians shall know that I am Yahweh, that they would know the name of God when I get glory over Pharaoh, his chariots and his horsemen. So when this consummation over evil happens, then people are going to be like, whoa, Yahweh. They're going to know his name, they're going to know the name of God.

[Al]

And the Egyptians even tithed to Yahweh, remember, because when the people were there, they're like, we will give you. They plundered gold, they plundered just to leave. We'll give you Gold, we'll give you jewels. Well, what were they doing? They were actually giving it to God because they were saying, if you will just leave, we will give you all of our stuff. And so that's how they plundered the country, literally, because they were just saying, leave, please leave. Imagine, because they had experienced all this death, and everybody has lost their firstborn and their animals, and all this happens. They're like, just get them out of here. And what's fascinating is three days go by. Pharaoh realizes when you get into chapter 12, three days go by, and then he has another change of heart and decides, nope, they're not coming back, so we got to go get them. And immediately, when the people see him coming, because you imagine you're out on this plane or whatever and you can see the dust probably coming, that they're coming after us, and immediately they're like, why did you bring us out here to die? Is there not enough graves in it? I mean, three days. Three days. Again, three days. I've said this many times before, and I think about three days. I can't help but think about Judas and Peter, because the difference in the two is one waited three days until Jesus was resurrected, and then he helped change the world. He unlocked the keys to the kingdom. First Gospel sermon of the Jews, the Gentile. The other one took his life before the three days.

[Brad]

And what was the difference? One repented, one repented and one did. That's the only difference.

[Al]

That's the only difference. Exactly. And so I thought about that with three days, that that becomes a crucial time. And I use that all the time when we talk to people, individuals or couples about, can you give it three days? Can we pray about this for three days before we make this call that we. That I'm telling you is going to be a bad call.

[Brad]

You know, was it in this podcast or the last one that I talked about the Genesis 15, the one way covenant? I know, I can't remember which one, but that was the last podcast. So to your point, you're seeing here the belligerent disobedience of Israel. You're seeing the fact that if this covenant depends on Israel, well, it's not going to work out well because you just experienced 10 incredible plagues which you were spared from the last seven of, and now you're begging to go back under the control of the one that is being dominated by Yahweh. What's wrong with you people? Right? And so, again, the covenant cannot depend on them. As I mentioned that Genesis 15 story where the cloud, which represents the presence of God when he made the covenant with Abram, and he said, if any of us break this covenant, may this happen to me and the cloud alone. The smoke moves through the animals that were cut in half in Genesis 15. Well, what's interesting is when they get to this Red Sea mould, and you see that same belligerence of. But God has made a covenant with him, and he's told him, he said, this day I'm going to deliver you.

[Al]

And he's going to ratify it on Mount Sinai with the fire and the smoke and all the same stuff.

[Brad]

The smoke shows up there, but the smoke actually shows up also right here in this text. Verse 19. The angel of God who was going before the host of Israel moved and went behind them, and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them, coming between the host of Egypt, Egypt and the host of Israel. And there was a cloud, and there was darkness, and it lit up the night without one coming near the other. So God's presence, his manifest presence. What's his name? Yahweh. What was it again?

[Maddie]

I will be there. Howsoever, I will be there.

[Brad]

I don't know why I can't remember that.

[Al]

Who can remember it?

[Brad]

I will be there because he's got a good memory. He's got a good memory, this guy. But that's showing up. He's showing up here. God's presence is moving in, and that presence is going to. To one liberate one, and it's going to evaporate the other.

[Al]

Exactly. Which. Which becomes the ultimate end. Don't forget to sign up. Take the course unashamed for hillsdale.com so we're almost out of time. So that gets us to the point of the Red Sea, which, you know, obviously that's what happened. You just described it beautifully. And so when they come out of the other side, you get to Genesis. I mean, Exodus 15, there's the song.

[Brad]

Of victory, and then everything's good from.

[Al]

There on out until we turn that page, which we will do on the next podcast, because we're gonna get to Sinai, which is very. A very scary moment. But it's also a very glorious moment when we get into the law and the Ten Commandments and everything after that. So we'll tackle it next time.

[Brad]

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