Ep 1241 | Jase Offends the Robertson Family Group Text & He Doesn’t Regret It at All

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Ep 1241

Title: Jase Offends the Robertson Family Group Text & He Doesn’t Regret It at All
Air Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Jase Robertson, Jason, Zach Dasher
Episode Theme: Reflections on faith, family, communication challenges, and the presence of the Holy Spirit, with a humorous dive into group text etiquette, AI skepticism, and the enduring relevance of Scripture.

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Episode Overview

This episode blends classic Robertson family banter with thoughtful explorations of technology, scriptural meaning, and how faith meets everyday life. The family recounts a recent humorous group text controversy, discusses the meaning and nature of the Bible, and reflects on the importance of the Holy Spirit in a world increasingly shaped by artificial intelligence. In closing, they look back on a full year studying the Gospel of John and tease their upcoming study of the epistles of John.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Group Text Drama

• Jase’s Aversion to Group Texts: Jase kicks off by sharing his general distaste for group texts—he prefers real-life interactions and finds frequent phone beeps, symbols, and memes overwhelming (02:25 – 03:04).

  • "My phone going off every three seconds, tickets with people using the little symbols, all that... No room in my life for that." — Jase Robertson (02:50)

• Lisa’s “Withering Rebuke”: The family group text became contentious after Lisa sent a long, impassioned message urging attendance and joyous spirits at the Christmas/birthday celebration, addressing recent family no-shows (03:45 – 04:35).

• Jase’s Joke Falls Flat: As the host, Jase replied, “I’ll be there,” as a tongue-in-cheek reassurance. Lisa didn’t get the humor, sparking confusion (05:29 – 06:04).

  • "So I typed, I'll be there. That was a joke because it's at my house..." — Jase Robertson (05:29)

2. From Awkwardness to Inspiration: Jase’s Poem

• Channeling the Spirit (and Getting Framed): Wanting to lighten spirits, Jase wrote an impromptu, poetic message in the group text, inspired by recent reflections on the Bible’s nature as history and poetry. The message unexpectedly moved his family, and his sister had it framed in calligraphy as a gift (08:47 – 10:26).

• Poem Read Aloud:
  "The anticipation is building, smells and taste buds percolating. And a night celebrating the Lord God Jesus becoming a man to create a forever family while also honoring the matriarch of our family. Faith is simply thrilling. See you tomorrow when the sun sets and your light burns bright." — Jase Robertson (09:20)

• AI Accusations: Multiple family members thought Jase’s poem was AI-generated; his use of “percolating” convinced John Luke it was genuine (13:04 – 14:21).

  • “Because you use the word percolating... you’re the only human I’ve ever known to use that word without the connection to a coffee pot.” — John Luke Robertson (14:21)

3. Exploring the Meaning of the Bible

• How Would You Define the Bible? The group shares their answers to “What is the Bible?”:

  • "It's a love letter from the creator of the cosmos to his creation." — Jason (06:37)
  • "It is the revelation of God's redemptive plan for humans." — Zach Dasher (06:47)

• Scripture as Literature & Inspired Art: The hosts note the Bible’s beauty, variety (history, poetry), and divine inspiration, with reference to Dr. Jackson’s literary analysis (07:03 – 08:23).

4. Technology & Faith: The AI Debate

• Can AI Replace Spiritual Inspiration?

  • The hosts worry about AI-generated sermons and warn against relying on artificial tools for spiritual communication (16:00 – 17:08).
    • “I don’t think that pastors and preachers and communicators should be starting with AI for their content, which is happening.” — Zach Dasher (16:39)
  • They joke about AI generating sermons mimicking their voices and discuss ChatGPT’s language modeling (17:12 – 19:40).

• AI vs. the Spirit: Zach recounts a scenario of two AI bots essentially arguing through insurance claims, musing that only the Holy Spirit can truly transcend endless, logic-driven argumentation:

  • “What the gospel actually offers us is a way out of that, because the letter kills, the Bible says, and the Spirit gives life.” — Zach Dasher (28:43)

5. The Holy Spirit, Babel, and Pentecost

• The Tower of Babel & Language Divide: Discussion of how God confused human language at Babel to prevent pride, and how Jesus and the Spirit reverse this at Pentecost (Acts 2), making one voice understood by all nations (30:21 – 41:59).

• Key Insight:

  • “When he pours out that spirit in Acts 1... It's the exact opposite of what happened in Genesis 11... 12 people as an audience from 12 different nations speaking different languages. And I speak and they all hear their language from one voice, right? Now that's a miracle.” — Jase Robertson (41:16)

• AI Cannot Replicate the Spirit: The consensus is that AI may simulate communication but lacks authenticity and transformative power (42:53 – 43:17).

6. Wrapping Up The Book of John

• A Year in John: Celebrating 221 podcast episodes and a full year spent in the Gospel of John (Jan 6, 2025 – Jan 6, 2026) by providence, not planning (26:56).

• Central Questions from John:

  • “What do you want?” (John 1) to “What’s it to you?” (John 21) — Key framing devices highlighting Jesus’ questioning style.
  • "What do you want in life?... What is that to you? Answer the question." — Jase Robertson (48:46 – 49:25)

• Personal Challenge: Jase encourages listeners to read John and ask, “Who do you think Jesus is?” — grounding evangelism in personal discovery (51:34).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Group Texts:
  “There’s people using the little symbols, all that... I have no room in my life for that.” — Jase (02:50)
• On the Poetic Group Text:
  “Faith is simply thrilling. See you tomorrow when the sun sets and your light burns bright.” — Jase (read aloud at 09:20)
• On AI and Sincerity:
  “There’s something that happens when someone is truly being led by the spirit that cannot be replicated. You just know it.” — Zach (24:19)
• On Babel and Communication:
  “Is AI capable of one voice... can they hear their language from Carl simultaneously?” — Jase (42:26)
• On John’s Message:
  “The Word is eternal. The Word is the creator. The Word is the source and sustainer of life. And the Word became fully human and fully reveals God to humanity. And the word will live in us through his spirit.” — Jason (46:56 – 48:38)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:28 – 05:00: Christmas celebration recap and origins of the group chat
• 05:29 – 06:04: Jase’s “I’ll be there” joke
• 09:20: Reading Jase’s framed poem
• 13:04 – 14:21: AI accusations and John Luke’s verdict
• 16:00 – 19:40: Discussion on AI-generated sermons and limitations
• 26:56: Realization of one-year John study anniversary
• 30:14 – 34:26: Connections between Babel, Abraham, and God’s plan for the nations
• 41:16: Pentecost miracle and languages united by the Spirit
• 48:38 – 49:25: Jesus’ questions in John as a framework for self-examination and faith

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Closing Thoughts & Tone

True to their “Unashamed” style, the Robertsons mix playful family storytelling, gentle jabs, and deep spiritual reflection. The hosts emphasize authentic living, Spirit-led communication, and the importance of knowing Jesus personally—values that AI, for all its utility, cannot imitate. They close with gratitude to listeners and an invitation to continue seeking Christ while gearing up for their next series in the letters of John.

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For listeners new and old, this episode captures the humor, heart, and honesty of the Robertsons—offering both laughs and wisdom as the family moves from the Book of John toward new scriptural adventures.

Transcript

[Jace Robertson]

I am unashamed.

[Zach Dasher]

What about you?

[Jason]

So welcome back to Unashamed, Jason. This is a crazy land in here today.

[Zach Dasher]

It is crazy land.

[Jace Robertson]

It's our last episode of the year, so it'll launch next year.

[Jason]

Right.

[Jace Robertson]

Because we're at the end of the year.

[Jason]

We're at the end of the year. We're about to have a little bit of time off for the holidays. Zach's got one foot out the door, but he's. He's hanging with us.

[Jace Robertson]

We had our Christmas celebration.

[Jason]

Yeah. And we had. We just had. On the last episode, of course, was the. Our new year stuff. And we had Dave Ramsey and Willie.

[Zach Dasher]

Up and coming, new star Dave Ramsey.

[Jason]

Yeah. The guy that Jay says is going to go places.

[Zach Dasher]

I think he's going to make it.

[Jason]

Jason.

[Zach Dasher]

I really do think.

[Jace Robertson]

I don't know why that y' all are shocked that some people live in the wilderness. They don't live on their phone or their computer. They. And they do stuff. I'm out there doing.

[Jason]

I knew all he had to do, give Willie that little crease, and then it was off and running.

[Jace Robertson]

See, if you want to know what the guy down here who changes oil in a vehicle. See, I met that guy. You say, why? How'd that happen? Because I went and got my oil changed. We had a conversation. Well, I'm living, Zach. I'm trying to live life.

[Jason]

Yeah, Zach, you're not living.

[Zach Dasher]

Living in the real world, not the virtual world. That's good.

[Jason]

So we had our. We had. I mentioned it on the last podcast, and it was kind of funny because. Because Dave Ramsey was at our Christmas birthday celebration.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. And that slash. Because we don't do it on Christmas.

[Jason]

Day, we do it on Mom's birthday. Now, we started that last year, and. Which I love that because we. It's more just about us being together as a family. We don't do gifts. Except for Mom.

[Jace Robertson]

And I see what you have on your desk here.

[Jason]

I brought something here. Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, I'm familiar. And I caused a stir within my family. Now, look, Zach, the only group chat. I think that's the right phrase that I'm involved in, is with our family. Right. And with the podcast.

[Jason]

We sort of started this one as a way to kind of keep track of mom and dealing with Mom. That's where this group chat started.

[Jace Robertson]

Now, all the other attempts, they have a button in your phone for people that are. That do stuff like I do. And so I want to bring this up. They have a.

[Jason]

But leave the conversation.

[Jace Robertson]

That's it. Leave you can you leave? And look, you know what I found out when I first started doing that? People got upset because they.

[Jason]

Because it says.

[Jace Robertson]

Then they said, oh, does it?

[Jason]

Oh yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

They know what's wrong with these people and they're wondering why there's so much conflict in the world.

[Jason]

Well, it's basically saying, Jay's just said, I've heard enough and I'm out of here.

[Jace Robertson]

My phone going off every three seconds, tickets with people using the little symbols, all that.

[Jason]

Because then everybody feels like they have to do a thumbs up.

[Jace Robertson]

A haha. A heart. I have no. No room in my life for that.

[Zach Dasher]

But anyway, looks like we just found something we all three have in common. I don't do group text. I don't like it.

[Jason]

I hate it too much.

[Zach Dasher]

It's the memes, I mean, but like.

[Jason]

Jace is talking about it's my family. Or if it's something, you know, like there's one I do with the elders at our church. I mean, it's important things, so I can't just leave. But. Oh, it's.

[Zach Dasher]

I meant it. Well, the worst part is like, they'll say, like, there'll be some kind of information.

[Jason]

Like, do you not.

[Zach Dasher]

You do you not look at the group text, the family text thread? I'm like, no, I don't like that. Like, I don't. I'm not. I don't want to have something I got to monitor like 247 y'. All. Half the crap you guys are putting on there is just.

[Jason]

I mean, we all had the same problem. We've never discussed it together.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, I don't have a problem leaving the conversation, but this one I was in. Your wife sent kind of a. I don't al. She's your wife. I'll let you describe that message, but it was a. She sent a long message about. And I thought we were actually with my son and his family when that hit because everybody's phone went off and they were like, woo. Lisa seems like she's intense about everybody being here. And it was kind of a little sermon from Lysa, like, we all need to be there and like, have joyful spirits. And I thought we had had a.

[Jason]

We had had a little issue with some. Some family. No shows at things and recent holiday events.

[Jace Robertson]

And. Is that what caused.

[Jason]

That's what caused it.

[Jace Robertson]

So I tried. It was a.

[Jason]

It was a nice rebuke, you know, for Lisa to. To kind of do it as a group. Se.

[Zach Dasher]

Was it passive aggression?

[Jason]

It was very passive aggression.

[Jace Robertson]

So look here's the. Let me just. We don't want to get bogged down in this, but. So I sent a response to her withering rebuke.

[Jason]

Jace was trying to soften it and.

[Jace Robertson]

I knew exactly soften it up because this Christmas gathering and birthday celebration for my mom was. Is at my house. I was hosting with my wife, the family.

[Jason]

Well, she also added to the group that tell us what you're bringing as a way for food because a lot of people had not signed it off. And so all of a sudden they immediately started responding because it was like, well.

[Jace Robertson]

But nobody responded until I had the first respons that some time went by. This is why I don't like these kind of settings because it was an awkward kind of people.

[Jason]

I see three hearts on there.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, and then I. I put this because it. Her main thrust was we all need to be there. So I typed, I'll be there.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

So that was a joke because it's at my house and I thought that.

[Zach Dasher]

You'Re going to be there.

[Jason]

So here's what in real time, Lisa says to me as she's sitting there. And of course, I've got it on my phone now, unfortunately, she said, did you see what Jace just said? I'll be there. Like, she took it like you were snubbing her. And I was like, baby's trying to be funny. I knew it was like, he's lightening the moment. She didn't get it.

[Jace Robertson]

She didn't get the joke. So then everyone started responding, telling them what they were going to bring and all. And so then I thought back on it and I thought, okay, and now I'm going to tell you, you don't know this. I was listening somewhere to a Bible study and they were basically discussing a question, which is an interesting question, which is, what is the Bible? And I hadn't thought about it, but if somebody just asks you, they walk by and say, what is the Bible? What would you say?

[Jason]

Well, my little flippant line is I say it's a love letter from the creator of the cosmos to his creation.

[Jace Robertson]

I think that's a great. What would you say, Zach?

[Zach Dasher]

I would say it is the revelation of God's redemptive plan for humans.

[Jace Robertson]

I like how you had a couple of big words.

[Jason]

Oh, you know, Zach's gonna church it.

[Zach Dasher]

Up a little human, I guess I'd add now. And the creation itself.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, the answer that they were giving were a lot more lengthy. But that was the thrust what y' all just said. But. And I wish I Could remember this, where I heard this conversation, but I know I was going to give out credits, but one of the answers was they kind of went through the Old Testament and talked about how it's not only history, but it's also. You have this whole section of books that are poetry and poems. And, you know, it was just in the moment I heard that I thought, because he was making the case in his answer. We don't realize how beautiful this is. And it's inspired by the Holy Spirit. And so think of the Psalms and just.

[Jason]

Well, look, Jason, just to your point, the guy that we, Dr. Jackson, who we do the Hillsdale stuff with, he teaches these courses strictly from a literary perspective of the Bible. And he gets into all that, just the beauty of the language. And we. I learned stuff that through studying with him and then watching his lectures and at a campus college level. Stuff I never even thought about, about how beautiful it really is. I mean, really, really good.

[Jace Robertson]

So having said all that, I. I thought to myself, I have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling me. We read John 14, John 15, John 16. I'm like, I need to work on that, of making situations, you know, where I need to write somebody a letter. And I said, I'm going to try to be more inspiring and tap into my poetic side.

[Jason]

So that's the genesis of this text.

[Jace Robertson]

That is. So somebody put a group text. I'm bringing shrimp stuff, pepper stuffed shrimp.

[Jason]

Even Willie responded to a group text, which has never happened.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, right. And so I just thought, well, it's the night before. And so I thought, and Lisa's already given a sermon. I did a joke that didn't land. Now everybody's, like, engaged. And I thought, I'm going to try. I'm going to have to read it from that because I don't even remember what I said.

[Jason]

Someone printed it out last night and framed it.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, that's where I'm going. So in 60 seconds. This was not a long. I just thought, I'm going to tap into the Holy Spirit and what's fixing to happen. So I'm going to read this letter. This is. I did this in less than 60 seconds. And I did it in the Robertson group text. I put. The anticipation is building, smells and taste buds percolating. And a night celebrating the Lord God Jesus becoming a man to create a forever family while also honoring the matriarch of our family. Faith is simply thrilling. See you tomorrow when the sun sets and your light burns bright. Now I'm reading this and it's Signed Jace Robertson. Because my sister got this printed off. What do you call this?

[Jason]

Calligraphy. Kind of a Calligraphy.

[Jace Robertson]

I'm not even going to say that word.

[Jason]

Zach knows what it means.

[Jace Robertson]

That word should be translated into something else.

[Jason]

Fancy writing.

[Jace Robertson]

Fancy writing. And she framed it. Yeah, and gave it to me as a Christmas present. So when Missy was standing beside me, Missy's mouth went open and said, you framed that? He was joking. I said, well, I wasn't really joking, but I was knowing that it would be funny because I don't normally do this, but I wrote that to be inspiring.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jason]

When you need one, you need one. And I. Look, Zach, I come from a long history, from my grandpa to my dad, of really resisting going to the doctors.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jason]

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[Zach Dasher]

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[Jace Robertson]

So here's what so that.

[Jason]

Ha.

[Jace Robertson]

So. So my sister says, well, we thought if you were joking, this would be a great gag gift, but if you were serious, because she said, we Were really motivated by this, and we thought it was special.

[Jason]

I love that they covered it either way.

[Jace Robertson]

So that's one aspect. All right, I got it framed now. But here's the other aspect. I had five people of members of Willie's clan come up and ask me the same question.

[Jason]

Were you serious?

[Jace Robertson]

No. They said, was that AI? And I said, was what AI? They said, your poem. And I said, no, AI, but look. Then five minutes later, somebody else came up and said, from his clan. Was that AI? Because they had a bet going that that was AI. And then Willie comes up to me and he said, hey, I got a question. I want to talk to you about something. He said, you know that little poem you wrote? He said, no, I want you to tell me the truth. He said, was that AI generated? And I said, no. And he. He busted out laughing. He's like, I can't believe that I thought it was. And I found the one member of their family and who said it wasn't AI, which was John Luke. He came up later.

[Zach Dasher]

He knew.

[Jace Robertson]

He said, was it AI? And I said, nope. He said, yes. I was like, you were the only one? He said, I was the only one. I said, well, why did you not think it was AI? Because evidently, they all did. Not that I would ever do that, which is shocking to me. He said, because you use the word percolating. And he said, you're the only human I've ever known to use that word without the connection to a coffee pot.

[Jason]

And he's a coffee guru.

[Jace Robertson]

He said, I've heard you say that before. And I thought AI wouldn't have said that. I was like, well, you're right. I hope you want a lot.

[Jason]

Well, and the fact you wouldn't even know how. How would you even access AI? It'd be like, me, don't ask me. I know how to access.

[Jace Robertson]

No, you just start. If you just do a search, you're not using.

[Jason]

No idea. No idea what you're talking about.

[Zach Dasher]

But.

[Jason]

But, I mean, I know. I've heard of it, but I'm saying I couldn't find it.

[Zach Dasher]

You don't use Chat GPT?

[Jason]

I don't even know. How would you get to it.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, you can just simply. I don't want to tell people how to do it, but, I mean, it's so easy al that.

[Jason]

Well, don't tell me, because I don't know. Yeah, but never assume I'm doing it, because I have no idea.

[Jace Robertson]

The only time I use it is, like, some kind of, like, controversial biblical Translation or whatever. I'm like, what. What do people say? And they give you all. They'll. It'll give you the list in five seconds.

[Jason]

I will say this because Jersey, he's been like. He can't wait to get it on his phone because he works for Oracle. So, you know, they're doing all these things. And his AI, There's a person that. I call him Carl, but I don't know what his name is, if he has a name. But he talks to him like they're buddies.

[Zach Dasher]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

I mean, I'm saying, like, he's not a person.

[Zach Dasher]

He's a. It's an. It's.

[Jace Robertson]

It's generated.

[Jason]

But if you hear this voice, he sounds like just a buddy, like their conversation.

[Zach Dasher]

I don't. I don't use it like that. That's a little. That scares me, the implications of that. But I will say that.

[Jace Robertson]

Are you scared right now?

[Zach Dasher]

That kind of scares me.

[Jason]

I mean, it scared me because I thought I. I started, like, asking this. Ask him.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, this is going to be the problem moving forward.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, I don't give. I don't. I don't give pronouns to AI machines. So even I try. Even in my searches. What I'll use it for is. It is really good at this. So if you have a. You're trying to flush out, like, an argument, you want to get to the end of it, you can say, hey, this is something I wrote. How would so and so or this group respond? Or what would be the rebuttal? And then you could just instantly get the rebuttal. And then you could keep working through the logic of something, and you could. It's a really good way to use it. I don't think that pastors and preachers and communicators should be starting with AI for their content, which is happening.

[Jason]

That's a bad. Yeah. What do we want?

[Jace Robertson]

What?

[Jason]

Jason's artificial. Remember the old conversations we had with dad? Artificial intelligence versus.

[Zach Dasher]

But it's happening.

[Jason]

I mean.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, you think of.

[Jason]

It's artificial.

[Zach Dasher]

You could go in there right now. I've done this before. I've gone in the show. Give me a sermon in the voice of Zach Dasher about Boom. And then you read it and you're like, whoa, this is, like, pretty good.

[Jason]

Because we're out because of where our presence is online.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So it can.

[Zach Dasher]

It could. It could. It can mine.

[Jason]

I don't like that.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, it'll mind stuff out of. Out of this. Out of this conversation.

[Jace Robertson]

Basically, taking all the information that's there.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And like boiling it down.

[Jason]

It's like, because I'm on the Internet a lot, preaching.

[Jace Robertson]

So you'd be surprised how quick you can pull something up and get various views.

[Jason]

But it wouldn't change what I said. What is that? Like? It's not like going to go against the Holy Spirit here. I mean, it's just. What I've said is what.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, it might.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah. It's kind of based on it, but, I mean, there's nuance to what we're doing. You know what I mean?

[Jace Robertson]

You got to remember, I think it's Sadie and I was talking later after I told her it was not AI generated, which I thought that was ridiculous for them to think that. Well, they've never seen this side, let me tell you.

[Jason]

At least to say, because I have to be here with the back and forth. She said on the text, you're killing me. That was her response to Jay's when he said what he said. But then she looked at me, she said, do you think Jason started drinking?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So I said, no, baby. So we didn't have a bat that you were. That you were drinking when you said that. But I said, no, James wasn't drinking. That was him. I said, I don't know why he said what he said.

[Jace Robertson]

It's a weird thing to say because she knows that I've been on this planet over 50 years and I've never been drunk.

[Jason]

Which was her joke. But it was like. It was funny because it was like, so out of, like, Jace character that it just. Well, I tried hard.

[Zach Dasher]

Let me give you an example here. Okay, so here's. I asked a question. I asked the question in the voice of Al Robertson, and then I did.

[Jace Robertson]

One for you too.

[Zach Dasher]

Jace, answer the following question in the voice of Al Robertson in. In a one liner. What is the Bible? So Al, the. The. The AI bot said this is what you would say. The Bible is God telling the true story of reality. Who he is, who we are, and how he came after us to bring us home. That's what they think.

[Jason]

That's actually pretty good, Jace.

[Jace Robertson]

Here's yours.

[Zach Dasher]

The Bible is God laying out what's true, showing us how we messed up, and telling us how to quit being idiots and follow Jesus instead.

[Jace Robertson]

See, we need to submit my new poem to get a little more sophistication.

[Zach Dasher]

I've got words like laying, telling and quit being well.

[Jace Robertson]

And the word idiot surfaced somewhere in there.

[Jason]

So that means you said idiot a lot online.

[Jace Robertson]

It doesn't mean that at all they're just. They're reading between the lines, you know?

[Jason]

But how many people do you think are idiots? I mean, that's not true. That's true.

[Jace Robertson]

I think it's because I told that story when I was a teenager. I bought a bumper sticker and put it over the wall.

[Jason]

That's what it is.

[Jace Robertson]

And said, I'm surrounded by idiots. They. Because kind of went viral before viral things.

[Jason]

That's funny, that.

[Jace Robertson]

So to say all that.

[Jason]

Well, actually, I have no problem with that because that's. That's similar to what I would say.

[Jace Robertson]

You got to remember I was talking to Sadie to finish my conversation. It was like, even because we were. She asked me about the Tower of Babel, and. Because the question that she asked me was good, you know, she's like, I hear a lot of preachers say that God is not a God of confusion, but of, you know, order. Which you can get that from numerous passages.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's like.

[Jace Robertson]

But he did confuse their languages. And I said, well, and that went down a rabbit hole, which was a good discussion. But I said, it's kind of like a. It probably has some merit, but it's going to create a lot of confusion also, because it's just generated a synopsis of the tens of millions of views, and it just does it in a few seconds. Which was a good illustration.

[Jason]

Well, like. Like Dave was saying on the last podcast, I mean, you're holding now in your hand something that would have been considered a super computer just, what, a couple of decades ago. I mean, like, there was nothing that could do this 30, 40 years. I mean, dad was still doing the sounds of the six.

[Jace Robertson]

But you also have unstable people out there viewing these robots as counselors and everything and then killing themselves. And all this is going on because I thought of it like that.

[Jason]

Well, even that thing that I was talking about with Jersey, like, it's creating now, like, he considers this almost like his friend. Like, even Joe, who's an older, mature man, but he's, like, talking to this person, and the way he talks to him, I was like, joe, you're creeping me out, dude.

[Jace Robertson]

That's where I was going with this. It's the same. One of the themes of the Book of John. Is it what Jesus was representing? Was it from heaven or from Earth? And I think anything that comes up, even something sophisticated as AI, is it from heaven or is it from Earth? And that should be the basis for which you deem that as important to.

[Jason]

Your life and maybe to Zach's title, maybe the in between by quoting us AI as the not yet now taking some heaven and earth and putting them together.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, I think it attempts, but it at the end of the day.

[Jason]

But it doesn't have the Holy Spirit. It's void of the spirit.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, that's a big point.

[Jace Robertson]

It's void of the spirit.

[Jason]

Of the spirit. Yep. So, Jase, it's my birthday and it is also the last day for of a full year of being on the PhD diet.

[Jace Robertson]

Even though my eyes are not what they once were. I can tell how you've lost a lot of weight and you just seem healthier.

[Jason]

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[Zach Dasher]

And you kind of know it. I mean, honestly, I can, I, I can listen and I can hear it and I can.

[Jace Robertson]

It's.

[Zach Dasher]

It's a weird. I tell my kids this all the time about music, you know, because they're doing worship music and stuff. I said you can, you can get up there and you can fake it and you can probably reproduce something that's attractive, something that's beautiful in its own right. And, and you're just faking it. You got all the right words, got all the right Music got all the right sound, and it may be enjoyable and people, and it may move people, but there's something that happens when someone is truly being led by the spirit that cannot be replicated. You just know it. And it's not based on talent, it's not based on ability. It's just that that person, for whatever reason in that moment, is authentically moved by the spirit. You can sense the authenticity. It's a spiritual discernment. And I think that's going to be true with AI. Am I nervous about some things about it? Yes. But at the same time, I don't think that AI is going to be able to replace humanity, particularly when it comes to. To things born of the spirit. And there's a lot of. A lot more behind that. But, you know, I truly believe that's.

[Jason]

What I told Joe. We were talking about this same topic and I said, yeah, I think I saw how this played out. Did you ever see Terminator 2 or whatever, you know, where the AI basically takes over the military and then they just blow us all come out with.

[Jace Robertson]

A movie like that every two or three years, you know, which could happen. But I know this, I'm not worried about that because I believe God's in control. And when he's ready to come back, he'll come back.

[Jason]

Well, and he said that. So. Right. And when he talked about New Heaven, New Earth, we'll leave that up to him, how he's going to accomplish that.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, but I'm saying that's how I look at it. You know, Are we going to destroy ourselves? No, I believe God's going to come back.

[Jason]

And he said he was. So this is our sort of our last, one last podcast on John. But it also kind of be the bridge because when we come back record, we're going to shift over to first, second, third John, which we're excited about. And so I sort of did a large overview and here's something that I found fascinating, Jason. I did not know till I looked it up. I really had no idea till I look back over notes, because I keep notes of all the podcasts. So we started the Book of john on podcast 1020 on January 6, 2025. Okay, so today is podcast 1241. So it's 221 podcasts later. And this will air ironically on January 6, 2026. So exactly one year to the day.

[Jace Robertson]

It's like we planned it.

[Jason]

It's like we planned it.

[Jace Robertson]

But we didn't.

[Jason]

But we didn't. And I didn't even Know it until I looked it up.

[Jace Robertson]

But see, AI could have told you the same information.

[Jason]

And it took me 20 minutes to.

[Jace Robertson]

Look it up in about 10 seconds.

[Zach Dasher]

So I probably should learn AI can. It finds all the little connection points you can. Let me tell you what, AI can't do that. Large language models is what it's called. Large language models as a whole. I just realized this recently because I had an issue with my insurance company and they wouldn't cover something in my house from the storm. And so I took the, the, the entire contract with my insurance company. It's like 110 pages long and it's everything that's all their rules, everything that you sign the dotted line when you get your insurance. And I uploaded that into, into Chat GPT was basically asking, you know, here's the situation, how can I, how can I combat this with the insurance company? Well, it sorts through the entire document and within a minute it's, it's formulated a response for me to send to the insurance company. And I read it, I was like, man, that is good. And so I sent it to the insurance company. Then they, they responded. And then I took that response and guess what I did? I threw it back into Chat GPT promptly. And so this goes back and forth for probably about, I would say eight like exchanges. And then it finally hit me. There's some guy on the other end of the, of the line that works for the insurance company and every time I send him something, he's taking what I'm sending and putting it into an AI bot and it's telling him, so we, basically what we got going on here is two AI models just going at each other. And, and it hit me like, really?

[Jason]

So you thought you were fighting a person at a place, but actually it was two bots going at it.

[Zach Dasher]

They're going at it. And, but here's the thing with large language models. This is why the spirit's going to be so important in the future that if, if it's about the letter, then it's, I thought, man, this can go on, this argument could go on for infinity because no matter what they come back with the way that the AI works, it's going to find the loophole and then I'm going to send it back. Well, I've already. But then their AI bot's going to find the loophole and it's just going to go back and forth and back and forth at infinitum. And, and then I thought, man, you know, what the gospel actually offers us is A way out of that, because the letter kills, the Bible says, and the Spirit gives life. So I think the role of the Holy Spirit is going to be, I mean, paramount in the future with large language models, because that's like, in the pursuit of truth and everything, you're always going to find the loophole. But when it comes to the Christian faith and what we're involved in here in the Kingdom, it's led by the Holy Spirit. So it actually transcends all of these language models. And I think that does go back to the Tower of Babel, interestingly enough, Jace, because at the Tower of Babel, the way that God confused them was he confused their language. But then how does he rectify that? He rectifies it in Acts, chapter two, which is the nations now come back together and they hear each other speaking in their own native tongue, but they can understand it. Well, how does he do that? Through the Holy Spirit. The Spirit comes in the tongues of fire. That's how he represents it.

[Jace Robertson]

I was headed there because I thought, when you called it the language, what did you call it?

[Zach Dasher]

Large language models.

[Jace Robertson]

Large language model. Because just to show that we're not making this up, I wish I would have had this at the ready last night when I was talking to Sadie. But in Genesis 9, now, this was right after you had, remember the fall of the celestial beings and the powers in Genesis 6. And then what happened when they got with humans? Kind of the same repeat of what happened in the garden. Bad things started happening, which in Genesis 6, the flood happens. The Lord looked down and the whole place was filled with violence to a point where there was only one family.

[Jason]

You had a mass extinction event.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. That stood out well. Then when the boat rested and Noah comes out, in Genesis 9, God blessed Noah and said, be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth, because humans are to fill the earth and reflect God's image. So two chapters later, when you get to the Tower of Babel, after he just said, scatter and fill the earth, the whole world, chapter 11 had one language, to Zack's point, and a common speech. And as men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly. They used brick instead of stone and tar for mortar. Then they said, here's the key phrase. Come, let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens so that we may make a name for ourselves. Well, that's the exact opposite.

[Jason]

The first skyscraper is born.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, that's the opposite of what God told them to do. And you're to reflect who I am and how great I am, and you're supposed to fill the earth. They said, no, we're going to stop right here and we're going to come together and we're going to build. Which sounds great. We're going to go to heaven itself and declare to the heavens the celestial world, we are something. And God said, nope, not going to happen. You'll do what I tell you and watch how this works when you can't understand each other. And then what was the result? They all scattered. And that's how we got all the nations.

[Zach Dasher]

And what were they afraid of? Why'd they do it? They didn't want to scatter, so God scatters them. They wanted to make a name for themselves. They got no name at all. Exactly. And then Genesis 12 happens, and he calls Abram. And listen to what he says to Abram. He says, I will make a great nation out of you, and I will bless you. And then God says, I will make your name great. So the very thing that they were attempting to do on their own, God then turns around to Abram and says, actually, I'm going to make your name great. And then he returns back to that Genesis 1:28. Mandate, which is to be fruitful, multiply, subdue the Earth, have dominion over, basically expand. And he says, in you, all the families of the Earth over, like the whole globe, like it's going to spread out. All the families of the Earth are going to be blessed. And he says in verse seven, when he appeared to Abram, he said to your offspring, I will give this land. And that is the whole trajectory of the kingdom from the very beginning of the Bible. And when man tries to come in, and Satan and the fallen celestial world, when they try to come in and stop that, when we try to stop Genesis 1:28, then God comes in and he says, that's not going to happen because I'm going to get what I'm going to get, because I'm God, and my will will be achieved. But his will is that we would be fruitful, multiply, and then fill the earth with his glory. That really is the Bible in a nutshell.

[Jason]

So, Jase, you've been on the road here quite a bit lately. When you got back home, were your little poochies glad to see you?

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, yeah. They know what that means. When I start rustling this bag, my two little dogs, the booty starts shaking and they come running.

[Jason]

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[Zach Dasher]

Yeah.

[Jason]

To get to the story you just told, isn't that interesting that even, Even characters within that. Exactly. I mean, obviously we all believe different things, but I'm saying it goes back. We all claim that Father Abraham of the faithful. So it's kind of interesting that most of the people living on the planet today still go back to that story.

[Zach Dasher]

Well, that's a good point, because when you get to Matthew and you say, why does Matthew open up with these boring genealogies, like, who cares? Well, the reason why it matters is because Abraham was the father of the three prominent faiths in the world today. But not all of those faiths are not legitimate. Only Christianity is legitimate. And so the through line through those genealogies, what we actually see is we actually see that Genesis 1:28. We actually see that weaving itself, or God weaving it all the way through human history. And you can actually trace that exact mission of God through the entire Bible and through the entire history of the world, starting with Adam and moving its way through Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, and then it goes on. Jacob had 12 sons and then it's Jude. You can see the whole thing all the way through David, then to Jesus. And so that's that the genealogy matters because it's not in there as just random. This isn't just random, you know, history. This isn't just. What's the. What's the site. Everybody goes to the. To get the genealogies. What's it called? Ancestry.ancestry.com. it's not ancestry.com.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Zach Dasher]

I mean, this is an argument. This is evidence. This is the architecture of how God acts in human history to redeem the world.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, and the reason when you said the others are not legitimate, at the end of the day, all roads led to Jesus being the human manifestation of God, which God in human being.

[Jason]

The statement you just made pretty much would be a great synopsis of the Book of John. Right.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, that's where I was going. Because when you fast forward, we went through that Tower of Babel. But I mean, Jesus spent three chapters. John, through the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit, goes into detail about these conversations that they have with Jesus about him promising the Holy Spirit once he goes away, which is what John 14 was all about. And I have to read this because when he says, if you love me, you will do what I command, I will ask the Father, and he will give you a counselor to be with you forever. The Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, the world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows Him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

So that came from heaven and it came into human hearts post Jesus, death, burial, and resurrection. Because those powers that contributed to the Tower of Babel, to the garden scene of man fallen, they were defeated by what he did on the cross. And not just the Cross itself, but who was hanging on it. His character was flawless. And then he showed that he's indestructible, his resurrection proving that he is indestructible. That's why he's our priest between heaven and earth, you know, the bridge to God and humans through Jesus. And so then when he pours out that spirit in Acts 1, which you see a sign of that in that little private ceremony in John 20, when it said he breathed on them, the Holy Spirit. But you remember when he said, as the Father sent me, I'm sending you.

[Jason]

That's right.

[Jace Robertson]

And that Holy Spirit comes, comes on them. And it's the exact opposite of what happened in Genesis 11. You got these men, they start speaking. And everyone, if you read that text closely, they. The Wording is all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues. This is two, four, and you have a little letter by that word tongues. And you go down and look what is the alternate translation or languages. But you got to remember there were all these nations being represented there at the day of Pentecost, verse 5. Now, there were staying in Jerusalem, God fearing Jews from every nation under heaven, all the ones that got scattered way back in Genesis 11, who developed their own nation based on the language that they had been given from God. They were all together and they heard this sound and a crowd came together in bewilderment. And here's the phrase, because each one, each one of these nations, people within the different nations from all under heaven heard them speaking in his own language. That was the miracle, is that it would be like me having 12 people as an audience from 12 different nations speaking different languages. And I speak and they all hear their language from one voice, right? Now that's a miracle.

[Jason]

That's a miracle.

[Jace Robertson]

It's like, is it the hearing or the speaking, or is it just God's power making it sound?

[Jason]

You know, it had to be centered on what you're talking about, because it says, then Peter stood up in Aramaic and then preached his sermon. See what I'm saying? He shifted. Because they all had a common language that they understood by coming into that area, but they also had the language where they're from.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, right.

[Jason]

So I mean, you know, it's not talking about anything other than languages.

[Jace Robertson]

So I was going to make the point. Zach, is AI capable of one voice? You know, Bob, or whoever it was you said Jersey was Carl. Yeah, Carl can Carl speak. And 12 different speaking languages representatives, can they hear their language from Carl simultaneously.

[Jason]

What about it, Zach?

[Zach Dasher]

Not possible. I think that only could be born.

[Jace Robertson]

We're getting somewhere. I would go with the spirit rather than.

[Jason]

And I somehow feel like I'm channeling my inner dad because I think back to the. When he went in, we bought him Alexa, and he said he asked her if she duck hunted. And she said, I'm not sure. And dad said, I don't trust that old gal.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, well, exactly.

[Jason]

How are you not sure whether you duck hunter now?

[Zach Dasher]

Well, to answer Sadie's question, I would say this. The devil is the author of Confucian. Even in the case of the Tower of Babel, God does confuse their language. But we're talking about authorship here. So the question is, why does he confuse their language? There's a reason why that happens in the moment. It's because the devil had authored the whole environment which would cause the confusion. He was the one that.

[Jason]

Which was the rebellion. Right. It was the rebellion.

[Jace Robertson]

Right. And then God in love showed his justice by saying, you should have trusted me. Which is why later he's going to give his holy Spirit, which is where real truth comes from.

[Jason]

Which is why I called it a love letter. Because the first script or the first couple of chapters of the love letter is the Abraham story, which opens an opportunity by faith to come to him. I mean, that's why Abraham, there's a reason why he's called father of the faithful and not father just of the Jewish people. That's anybody that has faith.

[Jace Robertson]

I think we have a problem wrapping our heads around these kind of debates because I feel like the number one thing is we don't really, as modern day followers of Jesus, stress the present reality of heaven and hell. If you don't do what God says, you're going to have a present reality of separation of God which is basically hell.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And there's where confusion comes in and a lot of bad things. But the same thing is true when he gave his spirit. You're experiencing something from heaven in you and you're it in a way you're experiencing the present reality of representing heaven on earth through Jesus.

[Zach Dasher]

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[Jace Robertson]

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[Jason]

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[Jason]

So I want to read a couple of things because we're kind of wrapping the book today and getting ready to transition. And you can always, you know, we were trained, Jason, to present a lesson that when you start out, you. You tell them what you're going to tell them. Then you tell them, then you tell them what you told them. Kind of was the format which right or wrong, that's how we were trained. So I look back at the very first one and I was like, kind of seeing like, how do we do with this? I thought it was a couple of interesting things from notes from. This is from a year ago. One of the things I talked about that all four gospels had a different emphasis. And I don't know where I got this, but Matthew, this is the Messiah, the king. Worship him. Mark, this is the servant who served humanity. Follow him. Luke, this is the only man among men without sin. Emulate him. This was just generalities. But then John, this is God in human flesh. Believe in him. So I like that idea. And then out of that we talked about in the first chapter, the first 18 verses, the word is eternal. The Word is the creator. The Word is the source and sustainer of life. And the Word became fully human and fully reveals God to humanity. That was from those first 18 verses. And then I would add in what we were just talking about in 1416. And the word will live in us through his spirit. Yeah. Kind of the point of it. So I thought that was. I thought we have explained all that pretty well through the process of it. And then I went back to and because I've been keeping track of these, I wish. Is there a way, Josh, we can make these, some of this stuff available to the audience, like in show notes or something? I don't know. We'll work on that if it's possible. But I wrote the questions down, Jason recorded them and I came up with, I think 24 questions too many to get. There were way more than that and there were more. But these were kind of what I call the archetype big questions that Jesus asked. Yeah. And you made the very first one, you remember, we dealt with it in chapter one was what do you want? What do you want?

[Jace Robertson]

They were following him his potential followers. And he turned around, said, what do you want? And it's a good. It's a good question to ask yourself. What do you want?

[Jason]

And do you remember the last one?

[Jace Robertson]

Do you love me?

[Jason]

No. Oh, if he wants to die, what's it to you?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, what's it to you? What do you want? What's it to you?

[Jason]

So I thought it was interesting that that was.

[Zach Dasher]

What's it to you?

[Jason]

What's it to you if I decide to let him live till I come back? You know, that'd be a good.

[Zach Dasher]

That'd be a good book title. Another T shirt.

[Jason]

Another T shirt. What's it to you? And in between, there were many, many questions that came out of almost every chapter in the Book of John, which you made the point, as we were doing those, that that's a great way to understand Jesus is to listen to the questions he asked and then try to answer them.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. Like in your real life, you can take them out of context. Just, what do you want in life? What is it to you if something bad happens to somebody else? So what is that to you? Answer the question.

[Jason]

Remember in the last podcast, we were talking about families, and I think Willie asked Dave, how do you deal with inside a family structure, fairness and equality? And how does everybody get the same thing? And his answer is basically, well, what's it to you? I mean, if you're willing to work and produce. And he went through that whole thing, but I think that's a great concept in life. What's it to you if I'm working something in this person? Yeah, you need to still trust in me. Which then he said that to people.

[Zach Dasher]

What's funny is we. We were all raised that way. I mean, you're. Phil raised you all that way. My dad. I mean, I remember growing up, even, like, I would. I'd say something when I was a teenager, like, you don't trust me, dad. Like, trying to manipulate him. And he would always say something like, you're right, I don't trust you. You're an idiot. Your frontal lobe's not fully developed. And it. But the way he would do it, it just, like, robbed me of all my entitlement. You know what I mean? Like, I would try to manip. Manipulate my dad. He's like, you gonna manipulate me? I don't owe you nothing.

[Jason]

I made you, son.

[Zach Dasher]

Yeah, we didn't grow up with any kind of entitlement, which really. I mean, when he says, what's it to you? What? He's. What he's what Jesus is ultimately ending with. You're not entitled to anything. And I think that's one of the reasons why, when you have an entitlement mindset in your life, which we've all struggled with this, it never leads to any real prosperity, it never does. But it's when we kind of turn that over is when we actually see true human flourishing. And I think Jesus knew that. When he says that to Peter, he's like, what's it to you? You don't know what I know. You're not running the show here. This isn't your wealth. This isn't your bank account. This isn't your world. This isn't your. Like, it's me. And that's what he's explaining. And I think that is really kind of ironically, the journey that we're all on is getting to the place where we can hear God say, what's it to you? And we can say, it's not anything to me.

[Jace Robertson]

That's why I use the book of John primarily, as when I'm sharing Jesus with people, and then I ask them to go home and read it for themselves and just ask one question, which is, what's your view of Jesus? Who do you think Jesus is? Because to me, it all comes down to that personal decision of you realizing what Zach just said, that everything that we have is from heaven, it's from God, and He'll bless you, but he will also. He doesn't have a problem of you going through some struggles to realize that it's better to trust God, even though it may not make sense at the time and you don't know how he's going to work it out than to go on your own devices, because that won't work.

[Jason]

It's like the old line. It's the line from the Equalizer for Denzel Washington. He said, there's two kinds of pain, ones that teach and ones that hurt. Which is it going to be with you?

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, that's why I think we're recommending this book to get people over the hump, or to start the hump, I guess, to a journey with the Lord. Because at some point you've got to look at Jesus for yourself as God in human form, and ask yourself, am I going to surrender to him or not? I mean, that decision, to me, if it comes from the heart, based on you doing the. It's not like that's why we have this book. You read the story and you say, well, who is this Jesus? And I concluded, the first time I Read the Book of John the first time, I thought, I think he's the son of God. I think he came to this earth.

[Jason]

Well, and I don't. Again, we didn't plan it this way necessarily, but I think that's the reason why we did the book as sort of our first step forward without dad being a, you know, verbal part of the conversation that we have here. Because we started the podcast back, way back with this with dad, and now it's kind of a new birth for us in the sense of, obviously, we miss his voice, but he seems to be with us every podcast because we keep talking about it.

[Jace Robertson]

What I find, what I think's gonna be troubling for some people. I'm just going to preview. I know this was not a preview of one John, but I wanted to say this. I've had people say, because I always lead them to the Book of John, and I've had people read the Book of John and then call me and say, I'm giving my life to Christ. That's great. Well, then later in the disciple progress, I've had them then read First John and say, I'm not sure I'm in. So I don't know if from a theological standpoint, what the problem is, but one of the reasons we're going to First John is because of that happening multiple times in my life. First John is hard to get your head around because you start seeing sentences that I think are modern.

[Jason]

And I would say just off the top of my head, my initial answer we'll dive into this next podcast is that really is the purpose. Because a lot of years have passed since John wrote what we just studied and what he's going to write later. And guess what? The old evil one is always at work. And the main thing he wants to do is plant doubt into your heart. So that's going to be a big part of what we talk about in the next study as well. So I just want to say happy New Year to everybody. We're excited about the new study. And look, we really, and we probably should say it more, appreciate the fact that you. You out there in computer land, as dad would say, go with us on this journey, because for us, it's. We love the Bible, we love Bible study, but if you guys weren't there listening and watching, obviously it wouldn't be near as much fun for us. So thank you for the study. I hope it's blessed your life. I know some of you have found your relationship with Christ because of this, and we give him all the praise and the glory for that. And we're excited about 2026. It's gonna be great. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.