Ep 1250 | Bill Maher Might Be Jase’s Favorite Left-Winger & Fox News Gets the Robertsons Mixed Up

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1250 | "Bill Maher Might Be Jase’s Favorite Left-Winger & Fox News Gets the Robertsons Mixed Up"

Date: January 19, 2026
Hosts: Phil, Al, Jase, Zach

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode weaves together humorous stories from the Robertson family’s recent media adventures and duck hunts with a deep, engaging Bible study on the concept of koinonia (fellowship/participation/communion). The hosts reflect on cultural misunderstandings (like being misquoted in the media or not recognizing celebrities), current events (including Bill Maher’s surprising appeal), and biblical texts—especially 1 John and Philippians—to highlight the richness of Christian community and unity in Christ.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Fox News Mix-up: A Case of Mistaken Identity

• The Robertsons laugh about a FoxNews.com article that wrongly attributed a quote from Zach to Jase, leading to friendly teasing about family resemblances and media stereotypes.
  • “They took Zach’s quote and attributed it to you...I thought, man, Jase was so eloquent!” – Al (03:13)
• This sparks a discussion about media tendencies to flatten personalities (e.g., "Duck Dynasty stars...and one other"), and how they handle being misidentified with good humor.
  • “People get our names mixed up all the time and they'll just say right to my face, ‘we all look the same.’” – Jase (04:30)

2. Bill Maher: An Unlikely ‘Favorite Left-Winger’

• The group reacts to Bill Maher's commentary about Hollywood, agreeing with his critique of “fake woke people.”
  • “[Bill Maher] is becoming my favorite left winger because he tells the truth.” – Al (06:55)
  • “He needs FOX to give him a Patriot Award for telling the truth. That’ll be way more valuable...” – Al (07:01)
• Jase admits he’s unfamiliar with Maher, underscoring the cultural gap, and sparking laughs.
  • “I don’t even know who you are talking about. I’ve been just playing along here.” – Jase (08:00)
• The hosts debate Maher’s evolution, his atheism, and whether he’d be open to deeper conversations about faith.

3. Duck Hunt Updates: Teal Triumphs and New Boats

• Jase gives a detailed duck hunting report (22 ducks, mostly teal) and shares an entertaining story of “lucky shots” and the excitement over a new Reaper Boat.
  • “We shot 21 [teal]... which is unusual for these teal to be hitting the timber. Who knows what happened. But it was really fun.” – Jase (14:41)
  • The practical joys of rural living and family tradition are celebrated.

4. Deep Dive: Koinonia and the Book of 1 John

• The group transitions to a long-form Bible study, focusing on koinonia – the Greek word translated as “fellowship,” but more deeply meaning participation, communion, and partnership.
  • “Think participation, think partnership, think communion, think contribution.” – Jase (27:13)
• They track the use of koinonia through the New Testament:
  • Acts 2 (the earliest church community)
  • Romans, 1 Corinthians (communion and partnership)
  • 2 Corinthians, Philippians, Philemon, Hebrews (“fellowship” in challenge, suffering, and mission)
• The hosts emphasize that Christian faith isn’t just a belief or club, but radical participation in Christ:
  • “God's allowing you to contribute to his eternal plan in an intimate way by your daily life.” – Jase (36:59)
  • “We're saved into a participatory life with the triune God... You’ll never get to the bottom of what that well is because God is infinite.” – Zach (38:49)

Notable Exposition:

• Comparing Paul’s writing to “old hymns” and John’s style in 1 John to “contemporary worship songs”—circular, repetitive, immersive.
  • “When you read John, it’s like he keeps repeating himself over and over... like a contemporary worship song versus an old hymn.” – Al (19:21)

5. Faith and Suffering: How to Live—and Die—in Christ

• The conversation moves to profound reflections on Christian suffering, using examples from their ministry—praying with a young cancer patient, discussing suicide, and mentoring people in recovery.
  • “He also shares how you die in Christ, which is a beautiful thing… we reenact Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection in baptism.” – Jase (44:05)
  • Story: A new convert on the brink of suicide is pulled back by the love of family and the gospel: “I was looking for a way to die. And I found it in Jesus.” – Recap of convert’s testimony (53:07)
• The group affirms that Christian fellowship deepens in suffering, echoing Philippians 3:10 (“the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings”).
• They note that when you “fear God, you don’t fear anything else. When you don’t fear God, you fear everything.” – Jase (48:07)
• Suffering is presented as both an unavoidable part of Christian life and a “blessing” that pulls believers deeper into participation with Christ.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Fox News' mix-up:
  “They took Zach’s quote and attributed it to you...I thought, man, Jase was so eloquent!” – Al (03:13)

• On Bill Maher:
  “Never thought I’d say this about Bill Maher, but he’s becoming my favorite left winger because he tells the truth.” – Al (06:55)
  “I don’t even know who you are talking about. I’ve just been playing along here.” – Jase (08:00)

• On koinonia:
  “Think participation, Think partnership, Think communion, Think contribution.” – Jase (27:13) “God's allowing you to contribute to his eternal plan in an intimate way by your daily life.” – Jase (36:59)

• On Christian suffering:
  “He teaches us how to die. When you reenact Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection in baptism, it’s a death… but it’s also this physical death that we have that’s inevitable. That’s just a glitch for people who are in Christ.” – Jase (48:07)
  “I was looking for a way to die. And I found it in Jesus.” – Recap of new convert’s words (53:07)

• On living and dying with purpose:
  “Not every man lives… That’s the beauty of this whole thing.” – Al (49:14)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Fox News/Varney Show Story: 02:07 – 06:18
• Bill Maher Discussion: 06:18 – 11:04
• Jase Doesn’t Know Who Bill Maher Is: 08:00
• Duck Hunt Recap/Reaper Boat Story: 12:31 – 16:58
• Transition to Bible Study: 17:10
• Explanation of Koinonia: 26:53 – 31:46
• Deep Dive on New Testament Usage of Koinonia: 34:04 – 44:05
• Faith and Suffering (Stories of Ministry & Death): 44:05 – 54:32
• Closing Reflections/Sharing in Christ’s Love: 54:32 – 56:36

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Overall Tone & Style

The episode is marked by warm, familial humor, open self-deprecation, and genuine spiritual depth. The Robertsons balance their signature Southern banter and stories (from hunting to media mishaps) with accessible, thoughtful Bible teaching. The discussion of koinonia is both scholarly and practical, frequently looping back to real-life illustrations of brokenness, redemption, and the beauty of Christian unity.

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Final Takeaway

This episode is a rich tapestry: everyday life and cultural encounters set alongside a powerful theological exploration of Christian fellowship. Whether they’re joking about being mistaken for one another on TV, sharing hunting triumphs, or guiding listeners through complex biblical concepts, the Robertsons continually point to the joy and depth found in fellowship with Christ and each other—especially in the midst of suffering.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[C]

Actually, he's yawning already and we need to start. What time did you get up this morning.

[D]

Jace? At least you didn't do it right in the middle of one of your thrilling points.

[C]

He did it Monday.

[D]

And I looked over. I looked over at you and was wondering.

[C]

I just ignored it.

[B]

Oh, sir, I'm only gonna.

[C]

If I do.

[B]

If Jace is talking and I need to yawn, it is a. It is a nostril flare in the. No, out the nose. And unless you're paying close attention, you don't know what I'm doing it.

[D]

I'm just glad that it's not. I guess because you're not in the room. They say that yawning is catchy. You know, if you're someone yawns, you're in the room with me. Yawn. But I guess it doesn't work on camera because Zach will be yawning. But it doesn't make me want to yawn.

[C]

No, it just makes me sad. When did you get up this morning? I want to know when you got up. 6am that's two hours after me.

[D]

Well, that's fine. So. So welcome to the shame, by the way.

[B]

Well, let me tell you what I didn't do, though, Jace. I didn't take a two or three hour nap yesterday afternoon. Yeah, you probably did. Did you take a nap yesterday?

[C]

I did. And you're way off. I slept for four hours. Okay?

[B]

There's no naps over here.

[D]

Yeah, so. So what y' all don't know? So Jay's just rolled in from the. From the duck blind. And what. What y' all don't know is we had just repositioned the whole set here because I did a hit today on Varney's show.

[C]

Oh. I got asked to be on and I said I couldn't do it.

[D]

I know. Well, they turned to me, Jace, you're back up. And so here's what's funny. About it. So Zach. So Zach sends me, you know, we. We were talking the podcast a few podcasts ago about. I don't remember the exact discussion, but. But Seattle came up in the discussion, and I had a little rant on there about. Because I had been to Seattle several years in a row, and it just, you know, how bad things were going there from my perspective.

[C]

So you're qualified, you know, Seattle, because you've been there once.

[D]

I've been there five years in a row. Jay's. More than just once. But anyway, I just said this whole thing becomes untenable because these people have this, like, cloak compassion for the. For the people that are there. And they think, well, the best thing to do is just let them do drugs on the city streets and just let them be homeless. And like, that's a good thing. And we were talking about. I was like, that's not order. And how we were made by God. We were made up by God to pursue our dream. Anyway, I did that bit on the podcast. Zach has a response on there. Well, fox news.com which is their digital thing, does a piece about it, about our podcast, which I was thrilled. I was glad they put it out there.

[C]

I was wondering where this came from.

[D]

So, look, here's what's funny, Jason. So they took Zach's quote and attributed it to you. Oh, so it said, well, that was smart of them. But I got weeded out of the article and the thing. Because I thought, man, Jace was. I didn't realize Jace was so eloquent in the way he was describing my response to this city. And it was actually Zach. And so Zach and I were laughing about it. So then today, when I do the hit, when Varney's people ask me to come on do the bite, and he asked me about it, and they played the clip I hear in my ear, it's Zach that we're watching. But it was. It was reported as you. So it was kind of funny. He didn't ask me anything about that. You know how it is on these.

[C]

Shows, Zach, he'll putt. Later today, he'll be on a road with a sign saying fake news.

[D]

It was me the whole time.

[B]

Well, it's. You know, we talked about this other day. It's the. It's the. The Willie. Every time you ride in a plane with Willie, this is his old quote is, hey, if this plane goes down, you realize it's Willie Robertson and four others.

[D]

You're one of the other.

[C]

You're one of the others.

[B]

So.

[D]

And so I tell I tell Zach Jason was like Duck Dynasty stars on the Unashamed podcast. And one other. Yeah, ye.

[C]

Why does it not bother me, though? I mean, because that's kind of a stereotype in our culture there because people get our names mixed up all the time and they'll just say right to my face, we all look the same. Yeah. And I'm like, okay.

[B]

You know, I read the article though, Jason. I was reading it and I was like, dang, Jace is on fire. At first, that's what I thought, man.

[C]

That is some good. Because it was your quote.

[B]

It was my quote.

[D]

That quotes attributed to you in your picture.

[B]

I thought to myself, and I read it. I thought, man, it's weird how much me and Jace, like, sound alike now to do it. I guess it's just part of the whole, you know.

[D]

But I took it. I took the. The. I mean, I'm glad it obviously, because we're just expands our message out, you know, to some more platforms. But I took it as an honor and I told Varney's producer that. That I said, dad loved going on Varney. Of course, Jason's been on there several times because, you know, I love him.

[B]

He.

[D]

He. And he loves us.

[C]

He.

[D]

And she told me. She said, I thank you for your kind words. I shared it with Stuart. He loves your family. He loved your dad. And, you know, so it's just a. We've always had a relationship and it was just weird that he's a Brit and all that, but he's just such a good guy. He's just. I love when we would go to New York.

[C]

Can you imagine sitting three hours a day just reporting the news? And I think, because it's not that we're that lovable. I think it's just we're so different that it. It makes it not so boring to have to sit there and read off a telepompt.

[D]

And he likes the. He likes our authenticity. And he asked me specifically about why I said what I said about God, why cities like this need God. And so I appreciate him giving me that opportunity then to respond to that, you know, on a business show. It was really good.

[B]

Did he ask you about Bill Maher? Didn't he ask you?

[D]

Bill? He did. They had given me that little hint. So that was the tie off. And I knew I only had a few seconds. And so I tried to be funny. I don't know if it came across or not, but he asked me about Bill. Marty. They played the clip of Bill Maher griping about he'll never win an Emmy because He's been nominated 33 times. He's never won because he says I tell the truth about these fake woke people in Hollywood. Which I thought spot on. You know, and so I told him. So when he asked me a question, I said, well, yeah, I never thought I'd say this about Bill Maher, but he's becoming my favorite left winger because he tells the truth. I said, therefore it's great. I said, I tell you what he needs to do. Quit worrying about the Emmys. Don't worry about the Golden Globes. He needs FOX to give him a Patriot Award for telling the truth. I said, that'll be way more valuable to most people.

[C]

That's a good award. That wasn't funny. That was a good point.

[D]

Well, I was saying it kind of tongue in cheek and. But yeah. And that was the last thing I said. That was the last thing.

[B]

He's interesting to me because I used to watch him like years ago back when he had the show was on hbo, it was Politically Incorrect.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was, I mean he is not.

[C]

He's.

[B]

The way he kind of came in this in the conversation the last several years is kind of bizarre because I always thought that he was always a leftist of a very left leaning eighth. I guess he's atheist.

[D]

I mean I think he's atheist. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So it'd be. I'd love. But I think he's one of these guys that I would love to host a conversation with him and a few other people in a room and let's have a, a really in depth conversation about Christianity and is this because I think that I wonder if guys like him are actually like they're on this road. I feel like they could be open and to look and we know.

[C]

I don't even know who you are talking about. I've been just playing along here.

[D]

I'm shocked. Jason, you didn't know Dave Ramsey was.

[B]

That was. Yeah. I don't know Dave.

[D]

You know, the biggest. By the way, the Dave Ramsey episode did amazing. And the funniest thing that came up in the comments that told me this chase was that you didn't know who he was. That's like they said Jason just putting on an act. He doesn't know.

[C]

You know, to him I was like, look, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't know who you are and. But my wife assured me that you're a big deal. We would like each other. No, she said you'll, you'll like him.

[D]

And and we do.

[B]

Well, people. Some people thought it was a bit. But I have to go to your defense. I was. We were talking about this, and I think John Luke was in the room. He said, oh, no, it's not a bit. He said. He asked me the night before, hey, you ever heard of this Dave Ramsey guy? So it wasn't.

[C]

It actually wasn't a fan question my authenticity. I was trying.

[D]

No, the fans did. Not us.

[B]

I mean, we did.

[D]

Fans thought you were just making that up to try to be funny.

[C]

I didn't even know we were still doing radio. And of course, he explained that to me.

[D]

Did you know when he came to your house on. On our Christmas party, that who he was when he came in? He was eating at your table.

[C]

Truth? I thought it was some bum somebody had picked up, which happens a lot. Yeah, I saw a guy eating alone at a table, and I thought we.

[D]

Had all finished eating. Zach. And so we're like gathering mom up to open her presents and all this. And Dave had just gotten there from the airport, and he's sitting at the table by himself.

[C]

He was sitting by himself. And I actually. Hell, I didn't tell you this. I pulled Missy to the side and I said, you realize there's a strange man eating at our table. Eating. And she went, that's Dave Ramsey. I was like, he's coming to our Christmas slash birthday party because he happened.

[D]

To fly in right then.

[C]

I felt bad, and so I was.

[D]

Like, oh, my goodness, look.

[C]

Sorry, I thought you were home.

[D]

One Jays. That's funny. You're more like dad Jace than I've ever thought. The more. The older you get.

[B]

Well, if we bring Bill Maher in for Duck Hunt or something and he shows up, we'll have to go. Have prepped you in advance.

[C]

That would be quite. This is different, though, because y' all are describing a left wing guy. How would I know him?

[B]

Well, he's kind of made his. He's made his debut. He was kind of leftist that during the whole kind of craziness of 2020, he was one of the guys, like, wait a second. This is a. He's kind of a. He's a. He's a comedian.

[D]

He made a. He made a diversion from the woke part of the left wingers. He's still left winger.

[C]

Oh, I made a diversion from that crew years ago. That's why I don't know him.

[D]

But he's. He's a lot more play on Fox plays a lot of his stuff now because he. He's, you know, he's talking common sense and he does it about liberals. So they, they love him. So that's kind of why he's on there. He was actually. I saw him on Gutfield, Zach. He was on there. They traded appearances. Gutfeld was on his show and he was on his. So.

[B]

Jason, you've been sick lately. I mean, you come in last week and you were all sniffing and what was, what was going on?

[D]

Kind of a creepy like call.

[C]

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[B]

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[C]

Well, the, the more important thing is we actually got 22 ducks this morning.

[D]

I was going to ask you.

[C]

We didn't see very many. We were hunting a timber hole. I was back with the boat people. This guy is like, he reminded me of Zach. He, he's a bit of a hustler.

[B]

Oh God.

[C]

He makes.

[B]

Look, I'm a straight shooter, son.

[C]

He makes boats.

[B]

But since he's my hustler Jace means he works really hard. That's what he means by.

[C]

He hustles up to a company called Reaper Boats. And I guess evidently it's a big deal because all these people with these hot holes. I've heard of Reaper Boats. You know, you need boats. It's local here. Oh, that's my product. So they. They let him hunt. I guess they think, you know, they're gonna get a boat or something. And so we went. You know that hole that you always thought is across the road if you could ever get it? Well, this was. This is twice now I've been with this guy and we've been on that hole. Neither one of us own it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And we. We got to hunt there. And so not a good day for duck hunting. It was supposed to be clear, but it was cloudy. No, no wind, nothing really foggy, misty rain. We're hunting this because they. He likes hunting these green timber. What they call green timber holes. Yeah. And I don't think we fired a shot till 8 o'. Clock. Which is why I said I'm gonna be a little late because all of a sudden I heard somebody say cut them. And I looked up and there were 75 teal coming out of the decoys. Too late. Yeah. Really.

[D]

And I just has that many light and you don't.

[C]

Well, they didn't light. They just. But you know, if we'd have seen them come. We're in a timber hole. Where they even come from? They drop from the heavens and you just look up there. It's way too late. So we messed up on that group. But what's funny is nobody even shot. And they like picked up. But about three or four of them just turned back and came in. Now we got them. So I thought.

[D]

So my question is, out of the 22, how many were teal?

[C]

21.

[D]

Oh, that's what I wanted to hear. Because that means there's gonna be some teal wraps in my future.

[C]

Jay's got. And so we shot 21.

[D]

And then that is PhD friendly, by the way.

[C]

The only. And with this is the mallard hole. And I was like, we got 21 tail. Which is unusual for these tail to be hitting the timber. Who knows what happened. But it was really fun. And they looked majestic. It was fun hunt, but at about. We had to reaper like it. We had to. Oh, everybody was. I mean, shooting to you. Everybody was. We were trading recipes. Oh yeah, yeah.

[D]

I mean they're the best eating duck, if you're wondering.

[C]

By the way, I mean uno number.

[D]

One Number one, by far the best.

[C]

But then about. We had to leave at 10 so I could get here. And 9, 49. We heard first Mallard we've seen. He made about five passes and he disappeared. And I was just standing there with my gun up and everybody was looking. We could hear him just looking. And I just looked up and he was coming over the blind about 40 yards. But he was flying a little faster than I thought. And I had. So I just threw up on him because they said, you know, let me call it the guy, all that. But I thought, if we do not shoot this duck right now, he's not coming in here. But my back, you know, he was flying faster. So when I went up, I needed to turn around and just shoot him normal. But it was too late. I'd already gone up and I reached a point where it was like, wait a minute. My body was like, wait a minute. So I just. With my arm pulled out in front.

[D]

Your body is communicating this year.

[C]

Yeah. And shot. It was a lucky shot. And that joker just folded. I mean, and everybody looked because nobody saw it. Everybody. He had come from the back of the blind and boy, they went to hooping and hollering, you know. And so I was like, we got a mallard. So we all took pictures with him. Act like it was a buck deer, you know. And then we rode around in the boats. And I got a tutorial of. I got a boat. Yeah, I got a new boat and learned how to. How to use it. I think it's one of the greatest boats I've ever been in. Yeah, can't wait. I'm gonna practice it tomorrow.

[D]

Is it at your house?

[C]

Well, this was the trade off. We met here.

[D]

I'm saying, is the boat going to be at your house? Because I'm going to come look at.

[C]

Will be at your house.

[D]

Oh, Jay.

[C]

Jay has it.

[D]

I don't even have to go in.

[C]

Yeah, I'm excited about it. This is the stuff that excites us. Not as much as Jesus. And look, we've been studying First John for what, a month?

[D]

We started. Yeah, we started around the 1st of January for our recording.

[C]

I feel like last night when I was reading this, finally locked in, something clicked. The light bulb came on. I've been struggling, so I. I'm just.

[D]

Well, we kind of took a diversion Monday from our normal schedule because I had preached Sunday. And so we got into James 1, which I'm glad we did that. That was fun for me. And then we were going to get into this on the second one, which was the last podcast, and I don't know, we chased some rabbit hole from. Oh, it was the question asked about the age of.

[C]

Oh, the age, the present age, the age to come. We're trying to wrap our head around the word eternal life, right? The quality of life that God offers.

[D]

And another thing, I thought it was interesting because I finally found a little bit of NT Wright stuff on First John, he didn't write a bunch about this, he wrote a little. But he had an interesting illustration, Jase, that I think is part of the reason we've had some struggle with the. The sort of literary layout of the letter that John wrote. And I liked his comparison. He said, you know, when you hear. When you're worshiping and you have a hymn, a lot of the older stuff especially was kind of written as a point, you know, whatever it may be. And he had an illustration of a hymn like Amazing Grace, say, or some song like that. It's just. It has a point of every verse that you sing. It adds to the point of what the writer of the song was trying to get across, he said. But in more modern, contemporary worship, it's kind of more just a phrase or two repeated a bunch of times because it's kind of like trying to get you into this thought of this word, whatever it may be. And that's true. That's, you know, a lot of the newer songs, less, I guess you'd say, theology, and maybe just a little more of a connection. And so he said, the reason, he said, when I read First John, I have that feeling. He said, when I read one of Paul's writings, it's like an old hymn. Everything is the next point to lead up to the big major thought. But when you read John, it's like he keeps repeating himself over and over and over. And he said he's kind of like a contemporary worship song versus an old hymn. I thought that clicked in my mind. I thought that's part of the reason he's very circular, because he keeps kind of going back to the same theme and then he comes back again.

[C]

That's true. But by way of review, I think, which is good. The reason this is hard to wrap your head around is because John is giving you a portrait of God becoming a man. And it was hard for him to wrap his head around it. And he was an eyewitness to this, which is why he starts off with this prologue, talking about the life of life, the life, the word of life, which is a strange phrase because in the beginning was the Word and the word became flesh. So for me, it's God's communication in that he becomes a human. Think Hebrews 1:3. This is the way God is speaking through his Son, becoming a human in this life. And he changes kind of the personal pronoun to that. And it. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we've touched. So he's making it so personal. Like we. It's not just we heard about this. We were with him. Yeah. And he's like this. We proclaim the word of life. The life appeared. We have seen it. We testify to it. And I noticed last night, he says this proclaim a couple of times when he says, and we proclaim to you. I mean, think how strong a word that is. The eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you. He says it again. I'm proclaiming. I'm shouting from the rooftops what we have seen and heard so that you may also have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his son, Jesus Christ. And we make this to make your joy complete. So when you go back to read in Jesus prayer in John 17, and we brought this up last podcast in verse three, when he says, now, this is eternal life. This is the age that I'm offering now, and the age to come that they may know you, the only true God in Jesus Christ, whom you have sent, which is himself. And then it says, I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence, where you with the glory I had with you before the world began. So he's equating this claim of I was with the Father before the world began, and now I've become flesh. I mean, that's why this is so heavy. How do you describe something like this? I mean, it's pretty difficult.

[D]

So then he goes, and I've said this all along, I think, because he's writing this decades after it happened for him to be with Jesus and describe it, because there's obviously some credibility problems that have arisen about John, about the witness, and even about Jesus. And we backdrop that with this whole purpose of people saying that he didn't really come in flesh when he really did. And so there's a defense. I think that's one of the reasons why just that word proclaim is so powerfully used, because he's defending what he knows to be true to people who now are questioning that it ever happened the way that they said it did.

[B]

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[C]

I have not, but I'm sure it's high. But I do know this, the Lord Jesus healthcare plan is ultimately the best.

[B]

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[C]

So I wanted to read the back end of John 17. I don't think we've done this before, but when he gets to the end of the prayer in verse 22, he says, I have given them the glory. Now he's talking about the believers, that they may be one, as we are one, I in them, you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. And then he says, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, the glory you have given me. And here it comes again, because you love me before the creation of the world. And then that last verse of the Prayer. He says, I have made you known to them and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me, which was before the creation of the world, may be in them, and that I myself may be in them. So I read all that to say one more technical thing I'd like to do, that I promised a few podcasts ago, is when he says in verse three of First John 1, that which we've seen and heard so that you may also have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son. He's going to say that two more times in verse six. If we claim to have fellowship with him, yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. And it's mentioned, oh, verse seven. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another. So it's all coming from that prayer where he explained this. He's welcoming humans to participate in the most intimate way possible, with him in us, and us in each other, through that bond of the Spirit. And so that word, when you look it up in Greek, it's pronounced Koinonia.

[D]

Yep, koinonia.

[C]

So I wanted. It's mentioned 19 times. Well, four of them is here, which is why I'm making a big deal. 4 out of the 19 I just showed you. So I think it's interesting how it's used. The first time it's used is in Acts 2, which is why I think they translated it in English. Fellowship. And I brought this up before. It's deeper than fellowship. Think participation, Think partnership, think communion, think contribution. And so Acts 2:42 says, Remember when.

[D]

It's when the first Christians, the first people that had been baptized, the 3000 dripping wet right off the bat.

[C]

And then he sums it up, Luke saying 42, they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching, which centered on Jesus, and to the fellowship. So it's translated fellowship again, this partnership, contribution, participation, communion, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. So the next time is a contribution usage, which is Romans 15:26. I'll read it real quick. It says, for Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem. So that's koinonia. But it's like we're in this together. It's a coming together in Jesus for work and reflection of who God is. And this union that we now have access to Christ in us, us in Christ, kind of thinking. So the next time is First Corinthians 1:9. Well, look at it in this text, it's about us and Jesus. This. This union. It says verse eight. I'll start in verse eight. He will keep you strong to the end so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ, God, who has called you into his fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord is faithful. So it's a deeper word, is what I'm saying, whatever that is. The description of the word next is First Corinthians 10:16. I think you'll like this one, Zach.

[D]

I know what this one is.

[C]

Oh, this is good. And we can get Zach's take on this. And look what he brings up. Verse 14, Idolatry, which is the last verse of First John. He says, keep yourself away from idols. So it says, therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people. Judge for yourselves what I say. And is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks. A participation in the blood of Christ. There's the word koinonia. So it's like when you take the supper, you're participating in an intimate way, fellowshipping with the blood of Christ.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Ooh. And then it goes on to say, and is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? How intimate is that? Because there's one loaf, and here's this many we who are many are one body. We're all coming together in Jesus in an intimate way. We all partake of one loaf. And then he gives the opposite of the negative of this. Consider the people of Israel. Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean, then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifice of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And I do not want you to participate with demons. Which. This is going to make sense as we read, because he's like, we want to welcome you into this fellowship. Getting back to first John, this intimate cohabitation, participation with God himself, he's including you into his eternal love. Well, then he's like, so if you claim to not have sin, well, you're making them out to liar, be a liar. Or if you claim to be walking in the light and you walk in darkness, this is not fitting. This is not working. And that's kind of his point on how intimate this is, which shows you.

[D]

To the point that Paul is making here in this sense of idolatry is there is a koinia. There is this sort of intimacy with evil. And that's what you don't Want you don't want to have. That was my whole point about the Seattle things act was that I said people didn't make their plans to wind up sleeping on a city street, stoned out of their mind, eaten out of the garbage. Nobody sat out saying, this will be a great way to end my life. What happened was there was a koinil with evil that got you into something that's now led you to a place where the people you're with and the people you're close to, you're in a tragic death spiral.

[C]

Yeah, well, that's the whole. It's a perfect lead up for what I want to say. The more you read where this word is used and how it's used and what's that got to do with me? God's getting closer and closer. He's not far away at all. No, he's so close. He knows your thoughts, he knows what you did yesterday, how many hairs you had on your head. And, well, all of a sudden the reality hits you 24, 7 that God is in you. Yes, he's using you. And so that's a perfect lead up to the next time this is used, which is 2 Corinthians 6, 14. This is the one, Zach, that I meant. You're going to like. It says, do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Here we go. Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? Well, Paul's using the same illustration that John is using. Exactly what harmony is there between Christ and a demon? What does a believer have in come with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? Same theme. For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said, I will live with them, walk with them, and I'll be their God and they will be my people. And so for years when I was walking with Christ, I thought this was a future event. Oh, well, God's going to separate us all at some point. But when you tie this in where it's used in first, John, he's writing them saying, you're that now and you.

[D]

Want to show them away. It's just like, I mean, we got people here in our community that have drug problems and they get out and commit crimes and we see it and you commit a crime here in West Monroe, whether you're on drugs or anything else, you're going to jail. The difference is, instead of for us as the kingdom, as people who are having fellowship, koin with the holy spirit and the father and the son is when they get out of jail here we're there waiting for them and saying, hey, come on over here. We're working with our local city officials and our judges and say, come on over here to a little thing we call celebrate Recovery. And we're going to help you get out of this lifestyle of drugs because the last thing we want to see is you out here on the side of Thomas Road dead on a bicycle because that's where your life led you. We want you to know something better. And so then we introduce them to the koinna of the Holy Spirit, which is what we're all about. That's the difference in how you're trying to be living your life.

[B]

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[D]

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[C]

Well, even contribution. Because it's not just money. Right. God's allowing you to contribute to his eternal plan in an intimate way by your daily life.

[B]

Yeah. Which I guess the other side of that would be. Maybe the word would be like transactional. And maybe we've heard mostly growing up, a transactional gospel, and I think what we're talking about here is it's much more about participation. So when you read what Peter says, he says that the divine power of God, his divine power, has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness. So that was the picture you were just painting. The opposite of when you talked about the drug addict on the corner of the street, literally death spiral. Not that there's another promise. Right. God's given us divine power on things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Him. There's your John 17:3 passage through the knowledge of him, to know him, who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them, through the promises that he's granted to us, you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world because of its sinful desires. And so that's a picture that is a lot more powerful than, hey, that simply says there was a transaction and you guys are covered. Now you're good to go. We're not good to go into our own autonomy. Christ didn't save us from sin so that we could live this autonomous life on our own. That's humanism. And that is not the picture of the gospel. The picture of the gospel, that's utopia.

[D]

That's the concept of utopia. That never works out, by the way.

[B]

Never works out. Yeah, you're never gonna.

[C]

That's the thing.

[B]

You're never gonna have life if you're disconnected from the source of life. And so what, the picture of the gospel. Yeah, we are saved from our sin. I mean, that is true. But again, we're saved into a participatory life with the triune God. And that's something that it's interesting. You'll never kind of get to the bottom of what that well is because God is infinitely. He's infinite in his nature. And so you're just continuing into that infinite well of life giving water.

[C]

All right. And look, I'm going to skip the. There's a couple of references in 2 Corinthians 9, 13. Another contribution context.

[D]

What was that one?

[C]

2 Corinthians 9 13, then 2 Corinthians 13, 14. I'm going to read.

[D]

Yeah, that's the end of the book, right?

[C]

The last verse. May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God. Which is where we started with the prayer in John 17 and the fellowship, the koinonia of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Same thing. It's a communion.

[D]

And like we talked about a couple of podcasts ago, Jay was the last one. It's the word I use. It's a portal into the divine nature that Zach just mentioned. And every time I read that verse in 2 Corinthians 13:14, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, I'm reminded of what Paul said in Romans 8:26, that when we pray, the Holy Spirit literally communicates divine language for our earthly thoughts that we have a hard time expressing to such a wise, infinite God. But the Holy Spirit helps us interpret that in our hearts and what we're trying to say to God. And you just think about that, what an intimate fellowship that is. It makes me want to pray way more knowing that I have the Holy Spirit interpreting my fumbling words to an almighty, infinite God.

[C]

Exactly. Now, Galatians 2 is an interesting use of the passage because it's in a disagreement. And every time I've ever heard this verse used, it was in a joke. Because Galatians 2:9 says James, Peter and John, after they had this disagreement with Paul, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. And I've always used a joke because it's like when we disagree, I'm thinking, boy, I'd like to give him the right hand of fellowship.

[D]

Which was the Smith line he used to tell, don't give them the right answer.

[C]

But it made more sense to me when now I know what this word because for the good of how God is using us to come together. And the whole disagreement was over spending time sharing with the Gentiles, because they're like, well, let's just stick with the Jews and some of them maybe had some prejudice tendencies and a disagreement broke out. But they gave them the right hand of the fellowship, like God wants to win the world here. And they came together and put their disagreements aside, all because of this participation.

[D]

That they're so we've joked that it's a negative, but it's very much a positive. It is a positive right hand, meaning your arm around somebody's shoulder, a handshake, you know, whatever.

[C]

Well, right. And so then Philippians uses it three times, which is awesome because gives you a different view of this. Philippians 1:5 says, I'll read verse 4 in all my prayers for all of you. I always pray with joy because of your. Now here it's translated partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion, which is. That's come up two or three times.

[D]

So make your joy complete. Make your love complete.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, God is partnering with human beings that he's redeemed to get the gospel out. I just think it's incredible. Chapter two, verse one. If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship koinonia with the Spirit. There it is again, just like 2 Corinthians 13. I mean, you're communing with the Holy Spirit of God as you're holding out the message of Jesus. Then he says, make my joy complete. Verse 2. By being like minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. There it is again. Come together in this.

[D]

And there's that idea of complete joy again that John keeps mentioning.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then it says, and what is the mantra there? Verse 5. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, which he's going to do that in one John when he says, whoever claims in him to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

[D]

Yeah. And Jay, we were on our Hillsdale podcast. We're doing what C.S. lewis talked about, a V shaped path to conversion to Jesus. In other words, there's a descent and then there's an utter descent, and then there's a rise or an ascent. It's kind of a V shape the way people's lives are. And that's exactly what you get in the rest of that text with Jesus. He came here, but not only did he come here, he came here to give himself and to die for us. And then he takes off and ascends and sends the Holy Spirit back.

[C]

But one of the things that hit me last Night is when I read Philippians 3:10, which is the third time he used to is this word. I had an epiphany here, and I want to share this. Verse 10 says, I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection. And here's our Word and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, the intimate communion with suffering like Christ because of this mission that we get to participate in through the Holy Spirit becoming like him in his death, and so somehow to attain to the resurrection of the dead. The epiphany I had was he starts off this prologue saying, let me remind you about this life that we've seen, because we always think as followers of Jesus. Well, he tells us how to live. I think what we missed in Philippians 3:10 speaks this. He also shares how you die in Christ, which is a beautiful thing. And look, we see this all over the place. Monday after our podcast, we had quite the crew here who were family members of their son, who we prayed for before and has a brain tumor.

[D]

We sent a prayer for them to play for him in the hospital because he was undergoing all these surgeries. But he's done well enough that they actually made a trip here.

[C]

Yeah, and I think they were on their way to have another surgery. And look, it was heavy. It was a lot of tears and a lot of praying even while we were here. But, you know, I noticed with him, he just seemed so confident in his faith. He was the most confident, the actual kid. And I say kids a teenager look like was so confident. And he was quoting verses. Somebody asked him what his favorite verse was and he said Psalm 131, which I thought, that's a Psalm. He's like, it's three verses, which I read it later and brought tears to my eyes because it's real confident about trusting in the Lord.

[B]

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[D]

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[C]

But it echoes what I'm talking about here, and I think there was a reason you went through your James study, is that it does show us that there's a way to die in Christ and there's a way to face. And it made me think even about the term fearing God. You know, when you fear God, you don't fear anything else. When you don't fear God, you fear everything. And we're either we have this communion with the eternal life source or we don't either that's a reality in our life. And I think you see that reflection when people are right at death's door, or in this case, you're suffering. And so I think it's a noble point to think not only does he teach us how to live, he teaches us how to die. And one thing is reenacting Jesus. Death, burial and resurrection. You know, in baptism, it's a death. You remember when he said Romans 6, we died. And our life is now hidden in Christ. But it's also this physical death that we have that's going to happen, that's inevitable. That's just a glitch for people, people who are in Christ.

[D]

Yeah, no, and I think that's such a valid point. I think it's the tagline for Braveheart. But I'm not sure where I saw this, but it's always stuck with me. It says not every, every man dies, but not Every man lives. And. And that was the tagline for a movie. That was a good line because a guy gave his life for something he believed in, for his freedom in that particular context. But I think about Charlie Kerr, the reason why it was such a stir was because a young man believed in a call so much and then literally gave his life for it. And that impacts people when you see that. Well, that's exactly what Christ did for us by him giving his life. Now we have something to. I love your point, Joe. To die in, to then live in. I mean. And that's the beauty of this whole thing.

[B]

You know, that's the course we're doing on CS Lewis retired. I really have been enjoying that, by the way. I don't know when it comes out, but it'll. We've al. And I've been going.

[D]

I think right now we're still in David in terms of releasing. But. But this. If you guys that are listening, if you hadn't tried the Hills down one yet, you need to give it a shot because it's some really good stuff, both what we're doing now and also the next time up.

[B]

Yeah, you can. And you can sign up at. It's free. It's unashamed for hillsdale.com but what I love about what that story of Lewis that he talked about, the way that he said in all of his stories that he's written, which are a lot. You know, there's. I mean, you got all the Narnia stuff. You've got. I mean, there's a ton of stuff.

[D]

And so the Great Divorce. Yeah, there's a lot of good works.

[B]

A lot of good books. So he. The. I guess architecture of the whole structure of his stories are there's a downward descent. So it's descend, descend lower and then rise up and rise up higher, which is really the story of the gospel. I mean, it's like that picture of Romans 6. The way that talks about our own coming to Christ and conversion is that we're buried with Christ, we go down, we die with Christ in baptism, then we're resurrected. That's the up to live a new life. And that's the other part of the up. And so where I think this intersection with what Jason's talking about is that the pain part is unavoidable. And it's part of actually the blessing is that we participate in the suffering of Christ. And when. When Louis Jason, when he would. He wrote a letter to somebody who had become a Christian recently. And. And I'm probably Going to butcher this. But the. But the letter basically said, congratulations and my condolences. And he was hitting both sides of it, like, yeah, this is great. You're in a new life now, but there's going to be part of you. This that's going down.

[D]

He talks about Jason. He framed it, just what we're talking about today. He framed it as a bittersweet. It's always a bittersweet moment to come to Christ because something has to die for something to live. And that's the whole concept that Jesus is trying to teach us. But look, that's a bittersweet moment, right? Because death is not our friend. And when we went through what we went through a couple days ago with a family, it's hard for us because we know it's hard for them, because everybody around that young man is having that pain as well. Just like we talked about in James 1. You have pain that hurts, but also pain alters. It changes us. It helps us endure.

[C]

Well, even the last Bible study, I had with a brother, a new brother, and he called me and drove hours, you know, and we got to see a new birth happen. You're like, well, this is great. Right on. Man's life has completely transformed, and he's really growing in the Lord. But the last time he was here and I talked to him about a week ago, well, he started giving me the details of his conversion, and I wasn't aware. He was like, just a couple of nights before he made that trip to put on Jesus, he was thinking about suicide. And, you know, his whole world was crashing through him. And, you know, randomly. Randomly, I'm putting that in quotations. He was sitting in his car alone, had his gun, and his daughter sends him a text. And then his son sent him a text, which is what made him think, what am I doing? So then he's just, like, searching for an answer. And we had already kind of made contact in a way, and it's like, maybe I just need to listen to what they have to say. But the whole reason for him telling me those details is because he said. I realized at some point, once I heard the story of Jesus in a real way at the bottom of my barrel, I thought, well, I was looking for a way to die. And I found it in Jesus. It's like.

[D]

And instead of there being grief, deep sorrow, no way to explain how this happened, regret, all his family. Instead, they can now rejoice because they see, like a phoenix, rise up. Zach, to your point of the V, now you get to see Something above and beyond and someone that you can't even hardly recognize because of what God can do. And even though they found out they got a terrible disease, they rise even above that. It's really incredible. It's amazing.

[C]

Yeah. Well, I want to do these last two because we're almost out of time. So, Philemon, verse six, which my translation says, you know, I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith. But the verse I think should be translated, what Is your Philemon 6? It says, so that the fellowship of the faith of you may be effective and might result in you understanding every good thing we have in Christ. So you see what he's saying. It's like if you realize what you're a part of, you'll understand every good thing you have in Christ, which I think is great. And then the last one before we get to where it's used four times in First John is Hebrews 13:16. And I want to read that one because it's a good one.

[D]

That's outside the camp thing.

[C]

Yep, it's outside the camp. It says verse 12 says, oh, and so Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us then go to him, which is a lot like the Philippians 3:10. We go to him to suffer outside the camp out in the world, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come through Jesus. Therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise, the fruit of lips that confess his name. And then here's where the koinonia comes in. And do not forget to do good and to share koinonia with others for which such sacrifices God is pleased. And now we're right back to where we started in Jesus prayer. He's like, I want to share with humans this love we had from the beginning with them. Me and them, them and me and them being our spokes, people, and mouthpieces.

[D]

And I love it, Zach. That's why we don't retreat to a mountaintop somewhere and stay there and just keep it to ourselves. But we go outside the city walls to tell anybody because we want them to have an understanding of this, which is a beautiful sight. All right, we're out of time. We will Coinia and get back with you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.