Ep 1263 | The Robertsons Warn Epstein Is the Result of Unchecked Power & Ancient Evil

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1263 | The Robertsons Warn Epstein Is the Result of Unchecked Power & Ancient Evil
Release Date: February 5, 2026
Hosts: Jason, Al, Zach
Theme: Christian faith, the dangers of unchecked power, evil in the world, and how the Epstein scandal reflects ancient biblical warnings.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around recent revelations from the Epstein files and the disturbing persistence of evil and unchecked power in the world. The Robertsons use their trademark mix of humor, scripture, and candid storytelling to reflect on these current events through a biblical lens. Drawing from their faith and personal experiences, they offer practical wisdom, scriptural insights, and direct commentary on why such evil persists, how it's rooted in humanity’s oldest temptations, and how Christians should respond.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jase’s Wild Travel Adventure & the "Carpetbagger" Joke

• [00:01–08:20]
  • Jase recounts his turbulent journey to Dalton, Georgia, including a bumpy small-jet ride with “Bonnie the Bulldog,” fog, and emergency parachute talks.
  • Shares an awkward but ice-breaking “carpetbagger” joke at his speaking event (which turns out to have a fraught history).
  • Insight: Even lighthearted missteps open conversations about American history and humility.
  • Memorable Quote:
    • Jase: “Man, y’all look good for a bunch of carpetbaggers.” (03:21)
    • Zach explains: Carpetbaggers were “Northerners who went to the South after the Civil War carrying belongings in a cheap suitcase... an insult, implying they were poor, opportunistic outsiders.” (07:39)
• [08:21–26:18]
  • Stranded due to fog, Jase’s flight is diverted to El Dorado, Arkansas.
  • The adventure features a local hero named "Bobby Beast" barely dodging deer at night, and Jase’s wife Missy driving to rescue them in the middle of nowhere.
  • Tie-in Insight:
    • Their ordeal becomes a humorous illustration for life’s unpredictability, the kindness of strangers, and the need to be spiritually “ready for anything.”

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2. Epstein Scandal: Ancient Evil in Modern Clothes

The Big Dump and Its Sickening Nature

• [28:31–29:35]
  • The hosts transition to the bombshell Epstein files release.
  • Jase reflects: “Are we really shocked? First John 5... says the whole world is under the control of the evil one.”
  • Point: The evil exposed is ancient—not new.

The Biblical Warning about Power

• [29:37–33:01]
  • Jase connects the Epstein affair to Deuteronomy 17:16-17—God’s rules for kings:
    • Don’t amass excessive power (horses), wives (sex), or wealth (gold/silver).
  • Quote:
    • “You start looking in this... powerful people are doing evil things. Trust me, they've been doing that since the Garden.” (30:17)

Money, Sex, Power: The Predictable Formula

• [33:01–34:41]
  • Al: “Money, sex, and power. This whole Epstein affair—is people that are very powerful, have a lot of money... built around sex. Of course it was. It was people underage. It was terrible things.”
  • The trio notes the perverse fascination many have with these stories—craving the lurid details while wanting justice.
• [34:41–35:41]
  • Al: “There's something about living your life with a clear conscience... if you avoid stuff like this, you don't have to worry about somebody knocking your door down.”
  • Jase: “The DOJ releasing all this injustice... That's why, when we take for granted that God is just—He will pay back trouble and those who give you trouble.”
  • Cites Romans 2:5–11: everyone will get what’s due, nobody escapes God’s justice.
• [38:08–40:29]
  • Zach: “God’s wrath was not him pouring it out... it was more like: ‘I'm going to release you to your own vices and you’re going to create your own hell.’”

Darkness, Secrets, and the Logic of Evil

• [41:53–43:00]
  • Zach explains “limerence”—the false romantic high that lures people into sinful affairs—paralleling it to the Epstein network's thrill of secrecy.
  • Jase: “Networks like this always operate in darkness, not in the light. It’s about concealment, hidden rooms... NDAs... intimidation.”
  • Quote:
    • “In the kingdom, it's... bring it all into the light. If you do sin, what do you do? Confess your sin... so that you may be healed.” (43:43)
  • Al: “I don't want to sign NDAs, I want to sign DAs—Disclosures Agreements!”

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3. Scripture, Desire, and the Root of Evil

The Desires of the World: 1 John 2:16 Explored

• [44:36–45:44]
  • The hosts read several translations of 1 John 2:16 (“desires of the flesh... desires of the eyes... pride of life”) and note the parallel to Genesis—Eve’s desire for forbidden fruit.
  • Jason (on the word “craving”): “The cravings and lust are actually the exact same word.”
  • Al: “Your eyes are the window into your soul... what you see, what you desire.”
• [46:11–47:13]
  • Zach: “That’s the thing you have to keep up in the game. Epstein... gets more and more perverse... then the pride of life steps in—‘I’m not gonna get caught, I’m bigger than this.’ But now you’ve broken laws, and you could lose your freedom.”

From Consumption to Community

• [51:09–52:55]
  • Zach: "A godly desire... doesn't lead to the consumption of people. It leads to procreation, family, community, intimacy, fidelity... The other side is: we’re going to consume people for the sake of sexual gratification."
  • Al links it with the reality of pornography: “Whatever’s got them in life to be doing this... I’m now lusting over it... I don’t want people looking at my grandkids or my wife that way.”

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4. Justice, Self-Examination & Gospel Perspective

• [53:43–55:47]
  • Jase: “What’s terrifying about all this is there are only two camps that will stand before God: those in Christ who surrendered, and those who are not.”
  • The group cautions against self-righteousness: “We think, ‘Well, if I’m better than somebody else...’, but it doesn’t work that way.”
  • Jason explores James 4:16—“You boast and brag—all such boasting is evil”—and connects it to 1 John’s warning about the “pride of life.”
• [55:47–56:58]
  • Zach: “Here’s the thing: you can rest assured, that (evil) is not from God. He allowed it, but it’s not under the rule and reign of God’s will.”
  • Jase: “It almost seems anti-Jesus—which gets addressed in the next paragraph. Christ.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Speaker | Quote | Timestamp | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Jase | “Man, y’all look good for a bunch of carpetbaggers.” | 03:21 | | Zach | “Northerners who went to the south after the Civil War carried all their belongings in a cheap suitcase... The label was meant as an insult.” | 07:39 | | Jase | “Are we really shocked? First John 5... says the whole world is under the control of the evil one.” | 28:41 | | Al | “Money, sex, and power. This whole Epstein affair—is people that are very powerful, have a lot of money... built around sex. Of course it was.” | 32:15-32:25 | | Zach | “God’s wrath... was not him pouring it out. It was more like: ‘I’m going to release you to your own vices and you’re going to create your own hell.’” | 38:08–40:29 | | Jase | “Networks like this always operate in darkness, not in the light. It’s about concealment, hidden rooms... NDAs...” | 43:00 | | Al | “I don’t want to sign NDAs, I want to sign DAs—Disclosures Agreements! Because the more we disclose, the better off we are.” | 43:59 | | Zach | “A godly desire... leads to procreation, family, community... the other side is we’re going to consume people for sexual gratification.” | 51:09 | | Jason | “There are only two camps that will stand before God: those in Christ who surrendered, and those who are not.” | 53:43 |

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:01–08:20 — Jase’s travel fiasco & “carpetbagger” joke
• 08:21–26:18 — The fog, “Bobby Beast,” and the kindness of strangers
• 28:31–29:35 — Epstein scandal reaction: “Are we really shocked?”
• 29:37–33:01 — Ancient biblical warnings about unchecked power
• 33:01–34:41 — The predictable pattern: money, sex, and power corrupt
• 34:41–35:41 — The value of a clear conscience, pending justice
• 38:08–40:29 — God’s wrath as self-destruction; the C.S. Lewis angle
• 41:53–43:00 — “Limerence,” secrecy, and darkness vs. light
• 44:36–45:44 — “Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life” unpacked
• 51:09–52:55 — The biblical vision: procreation/community vs. consumption
• 53:43–55:47 — Only two camps before God; avoiding self-righteousness

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Tone & Style

• Approachable, candid, and laced with humor—even on tough subjects.
• Heavy use of scripture, with practical, modern-day applications.
• Emphasis on hope, grace, and the ultimate justice and mercy of God.

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Conclusion

This episode weaves together the Robertsons’ hallmark storytelling with scriptural depth, addressing how the Epstein scandal is a symptom of ancient, persistent evil—driven by money, sex, power, and secrecy. Through their biblical lens, the Robertson family reminds listeners that justice will come, spiritual preparedness matters most, and light (openness, confession, the way of Jesus) remains the only antidote to the darkness that tempts and corrupts humanity.

Next episode tease: The discussion will pick up with “Who is the Antichrist?” and explore more on the darkness vs. the Kingdom of Christ.

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Transcript

[Jason]

I am unashamed.

[Zach]

What about you?

[Al]

Welcome back to the unashamed podcast. Jase, you. You had an interesting day yesterday.

[Jason]

I was checking my phone and Zach sent me a text. I'm looking at you, Zach.

[Zach]

Just.

[Jason]

Hey.

[Zach]

Hey, man.

[Al]

We text each other a lot. Sometimes when we're actually here talking to you guys, it's a little bit funny. Crazy. Maddie will text me something. And, Zach.

[Jason]

Yeah, we're starting a little late today. OJ's had a rare midweek event, and it's my first event of 2000.

[Al]

Well, the problem was we had planned on this a while back because we've obviously known about the event, but then we had the recent ice apocalypse, which pushed all our recording to this week. And so it's been a little bit of a schedule buster, we call it.

[Jason]

Well, I was going to a little place called Dalton, Georgia, and I don't. In the area. Oh, this is. This is going to be funny. And that word.

[Al]

Triple J. Johnny Joey Jones is from Dalton.

[Jason]

He may be.

[Al]

I think he might. I think he.

[Jason]

If you need some carpet, you can ask him.

[Al]

Yeah, because they make carpet there.

[Jason]

It's the carpet capital.

[Al]

Yeah, that's where he's from.

[Jason]

Of the world.

[Al]

I wish I'd have known that.

[Jason]

Look, you know what I did in my opener, because I guess the older I get, which. Look, I want to say this right off the bat. First event of the year, they said, you have 40 minutes, and I stopped at 39.

[Al]

Well, that's a miracle.

[Jason]

Without any notes.

[Al]

That's a miracle, dude.

[Jason]

So it was.

[Al]

It was really our first event we had last week. We only had 30 minutes because they had a Q and A after. But, yeah, it's very hard for Lisa and I both to do our presentation in 30 minutes.

[Jason]

So, anyway, for my opener, I mean, look, the trip got bumpy. The reason we were late is because.

[Al]

You went on a. Somebody sent a plane for you.

[Jason]

Yeah, and I usually don't do that. Right. Because we've had some rough experiences. I think Aunt Bonnie, who travels with me, when Missy doesn't go, she sends a representative to watch me, I guess. No, she does a good job organizing events. And everybody needs an Aunt Bonnie.

[Al]

She's a little. I call her Bonnie the Bulldog.

[Jason]

Yeah, Bonnie the Bu.

[Al]

Well, she's a section of Bulldog, though.

[Jason]

She got really quiet last night because.

[Al]

Of this bumpy plane ride.

[Jason]

Our trip was filled with are you ready to meet your maker?

[Al]

Moments.

[Jason]

But, you know, it's no big deal. But you can't be preaching that. I mean, that was Part of my sermon last night, it's like, are you ready to meet your maker and then not go live that out in tough conditions to fly. But because it was quite the rainstorm when we left, and when we came back, we ran into a fog issue.

[Al]

All this ice and snow here last night. It was like those movies you watch about Jack the Ripper in London, like in 1800.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

And it's all just like this murky, you know, fog. That's what it reminded me last night.

[Jason]

But anyway, my opening line. This is kind of silly, but I thought I'd try it because I thought, what's this place famous for?

[Zach]

Carpet. Carpet.

[Jason]

So I got up there and I was like, oh, it's good to be in Dalton, Georgia. You know, I did my Larry the Cable Guy joke. When's the last time y' all heard that? It was a little. Little chuckle. And I said, man, y' all look good for a bunch of carpetbaggers. They actually laughed at that. They laughed at that one.

[Al]

That's good.

[Jason]

But then I said, well, I'll start this out with a movie clip that I will attempt to reenact and we'll have a name. That movie clip.

[Al]

I know which one you're gonna do.

[Jason]

And I said, so here he is. He's on a. What's those things called?

[Al]

Ferry.

[Jason]

Yeah, he's on a ferry. I got that. Right. And I was like, pull, Emul, pull. And about three people hollered out, hello, Josie Wells. And I was like.

[Al]

Y' all got that from. That's impressive. Yeah, that's impressive.

[Jason]

I said, there was a. There was a man selling elixir on that ferry. And he said it was about good for anything. Which, you know, one bottle for, I think it was 10 cents. You get two for 20 and 10 cents. So Eastwood said, yeah, such stuff worked good on about anything, huh? He's like, yes, sir, indeed. So he just.

[Al]

He thought he had him a sale.

[Jason]

He takes a big tobacco fil. Juicy spit and just spits right on the man's chest because he had a white suit. And he said, well, how's it on stains? And then there was a little, you know, chuckle from the. From Eastwood's counterparts. They were saying.

[Al]

And remember, even. Even Emil was like.

[Jason]

So look, I did that. Then when I got to, you know, you know, Jesus died on the cross. I was going to bring that back up. Of course, I forgot because I was talking about, you know, there's stain of sin or something. Yeah, the stain. I mean, it's hard to. That's where we're at in first John.

[Al]

That would have been a good.

[Jason]

How do you remove the stains of sin in your life? Well, there's a God and he loves us.

[Al]

And the 10 cent elixir is not going to do it.

[Jason]

Not going to do it. And so that. They didn't really laugh at that, but it broke the ice and.

[Al]

But the line. Because it was. Well, Mr. Carpetbagger, that was you.

[Jason]

Yeah, that was funny. And then I, when I told that and because nobody really laughed, I was like, that's as good as this is going to get. You know, then they all laugh. Yeah, I was like, that's. I thought that was funny.

[Al]

Zach, are you familiar with why they called these. The people that were coming down from the north to the south, they called them carpet baggers. But do you know the origin of that? Have you ever. I don't know why they call.

[Jason]

Give him 60 seconds and he'll use his AI stuff and he'll probably have an.

[Al]

That's why I threw it out there.

[Zach]

I mean, I.

[Jason]

Let's let him research.

[Zach]

Yeah. My initial instinct was I don't have to know the answer to that. So let's just look it up. Why were they called carpet baggers? I think we should make a. We all should make a stab at it before we. Before we answer.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

Because I. I mean, I was trying to think in my mind just to practically have an answer for that, and I'm not sure. I don't understand it. Unless they had bags with.

[Zach]

Yeah, I don't know. I think it was bags of.

[Jason]

I know it was.

[Zach]

There was something about accumulating wealth off of like basically coming.

[Al]

It was kind of a slur, though, right? I mean, it was like it wasn't seen as a.

[Zach]

Like they come in and they have a little bit of capital and then they can go up and buy up farms or things like that. That's what I think it was. But let me look and see.

[Jason]

Well, look, I was tempted last night because, you know, my house with the ice dams phenomenon, because we had an insurance adjuster before I left to come here and I had to get a ride because my truck's still at the airport. I'll tell you that story in a minute, but I've been going without home.

[Al]

Last night pretty much.

[Jason]

Al, Al, you're not going to believe what happened to me last night. It's crazy. But anyway, I was tempted.

[Zach]

I got the answer.

[Jason]

Breaking news.

[Al]

Breaking news.

[Jason]

We're going to introduce a breaking.

[Al]

Yeah, we're going to do more Breaking.

[Jason]

News segments and current event segments.

[Al]

We need some kind of musical lead in or.

[Zach]

So during the Civil War, Northerners who went to the south after the Civil War carried all their belongings in a cheap suitcase made of a carpet fabric. A carpet bag. And the label was meant as an insult, implying they were poor, opportunistic outsiders who came to profit politically or economically during Reconstruction.

[Jason]

Well, no wonder nobody laughed. No, they actually did laugh.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

It was kind of a smart.

[Jason]

I might should have done some research where I dropped that.

[Zach]

Yeah, you carpet baggers.

[Al]

You come down here to Georgia, you cheap carpet bagger. Jason insulted him and he didn't even know he did.

[Jason]

They had a board meeting probably after. And we paid this guy to come here and do this to us, but.

[Al]

Dumb redneck from Lizzie.

[Jason]

No, the event was. Look, it was fantastic. It was close to my life, which is why I made it work, because it was one of these FCA fundraisers, which. That is my story of coming to Jesus. I was 14, and I said last night the hardest thing to do for my life was to follow Jesus at 14 and go to a public high school. It's just very difficult. And I think it was intense. I mean, I was like, this is great. We're supporting this. We're giving kids an outlet to not only do something good, clean, and fun, play sports, but to be unashamed that they followed Jesus. And I wish I would have had somebody tell me, hey, this is a good thing, you know, when I was 14, so. Because it is very difficult, so. And I spoke to the kids before the event. I mean, they probably had 150. And I mean, that was a lot of people last night. It was Tuesday night. There's a well over a thousand at the arena. And it was. It was fantastic. Now, getting there, we were in this cool little plane. I've ridden on a lot of planes, Al. I know you have, but I've never ridden on a. The name of it was a Siri. It's called a Cirrus. Cirrus. It's like circus, except instead of the C, it's an R. So Cirrus.

[Al]

Okay.

[Jason]

And there's only like, I guess 600 of them. No, it's a jet. It's a one engine. Oh, yeah.

[Al]

I've seen.

[Jason]

The other pilot called it a hot rod because we got in that thing and it can move, takes off like a rocket, but it felt like we were in a sci fi movie because it's real computer generated, and it's like a little capsule, and you're just shooing. But here's what's funny. So the pilot, who just donated his time and he owns the plane, and he does this every year for the event. He goes and picks a guy up and. Or I guess it's been guys that have spoken at this thing. But. And so he. You know, when he's giving us a little safety meeting here before we take off. So it's me and Aunt Bonnie. And on the way there, it was him and his son, who's also a pilot. He's like, now if we die. And I kind of stopped. I mean, this was the safety meeting. He started off, now, if we die, he said, push this red button. And look, it was literally like a sci fi movie. There was a big red button in the middle of the flight of the middle of the plane. He said, that computer will take you home to the nearest airport. I was like, you serious, Clark? Now he said.

[Al]

Now. He said, I'm glad to know there's a red button.

[Jason]

There was a red button.

[Al]

That would make me feel pretty good.

[Jason]

It looked like a presidential red button.

[Al]

Yeah, right.

[Jason]

I was like, here it is. So this is hilarious. So he said, now, he said, this only has one engine. That's what's different about this plane. Which I figured out later. That's why it's half the price.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But the problem is you probably already go in there in your mind. Well, if your engine blows. Yeah.

[Al]

You're done.

[Jason]

There's no backup engine.

[Al]

The red button doesn't help.

[Jason]

So look. So he said, if the engine blows, he said, we pull this lever. And it was a parachute lever. He said, it actually has a parachute. And he said, you know, that's just if the engine blows. He said, it's happened twice. Oh, yeah. And he said, and no one was injured. He safely landed. So I was like, gulp. What's crazy is that.

[Al]

So he's landed twice without an engine.

[Jason]

Without an engine. He's landed that plane twice, and nobody got injured.

[Zach]

So last time I was in Louisiana, I had about three nights with you, cousin Jase, in the middle of. I think you were sleeping on a recliner. I was sleeping on a hard couch. So that night at your house, that fourth night out, your house on the Helix mattress.

[Al]

Welcome back to Libby's. Yes. Because I have Helix mattresses all throughout my house because we're a Helix family. And great night's sleep, as Zach has mentioned. And also for our guest as well. And Zach, you know, we took a quiz through Helix to find out exactly what fits you the Best I think Lisa and I are moonlight. What was yours at? Do you remember?

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

And I was like, well I looked at Bonnie and she turned a shade of white that I hadn't seen. I was like, well now we know the rules of engagement. Well, none of this really matters until, you know, on the way home because we got there, it was the smoothest plane ride I've ever been on. It was quick. And I thought, man, we're flying outer space. So when we come back, what happened was that front came through and then there was a fog alert. So he thought we were going to have to spend the night and everything. But he said, I think we make it because you're part of this. I had the earphones on. We're listening to them talk and all. And which was great on the way there, on the way back, it's a little too close to the sausage being made because there was a lot of. Because we, as soon as we got up, he's like, is there ice on the wings? Is there ice on. I see ice on the wings. Is that bad? Yeah, that's not good.

[Al]

But anyway, that's why they de ice them.

[Jason]

So you're looking at these airports and there's little meters and you know if it turns pink that means too much fog, can't land. So it was, it would turn pink like because we're coming into Monroe. Then it would go to yellows, go to yellow and we're, we're flying. He's like, well I see lights. And so anyways I, we think we can make it. So we start going down to land in Monroe and we're seeing lights and everything. But he said now he had Said before, this fog will fool you because you. From up above it, you can see through holes in it. And he's like, sometimes you get down.

[Zach]

There just what we talking, one pilot now.

[Jason]

We had two pilots, he and his son. And we start going down through the fog, and all of a sudden, you know, the lights go off. You can't see anything. And, you know, he's talking to the guy. The guy's like. He's like, when's the last time someone's landed here? And he's like, oh, it's been three or four hours. He's like, well, that doesn't give us any help. So we got. But I heard the guy say, when you crossed the. Whatever the 362 marker was, that's when you'll have to make that decision. And so we're coming down through the fog, and I see that 362. I just saw it for a glimpsing second. And we keep going down, and you can't see. And I mean, I had said a prayer. I was like, we did a really good event tonight. I'm sure this is going to be fine. And for some reason, in my mind, I pictured the Red Sea. I was like, I think this fog is just going to open up and we're going to be able to see because we're coming down and we're down to, you know, three or 400ft here. Yeah, we're getting close, and we can't see. And so for some reason, we just kept going. And I still can't see. And I literally looked out the window, and I was like, we need this photo.

[Zach]

I mean, this is how you. I mean, what you were involved in. This is exactly. I mean, that it's. That's scary because the pilots are a little bit more aggressive. You're like, but that's why these small planes, they crash all the time.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I was living my life through the pile, and I thought, this is.

[Al]

This is how Kobe Bryant died, by the way.

[Jason]

Then I looked over. Look, I looked at the red button, and I thought, why are we not pushing that? You know what I mean?

[Al]

Let the computer do it.

[Jason]

Just. We're this close, you know, Red button. Nobody's looking at the red button. I'm looking at the red button.

[Al]

And I looked at my doing.

[Jason]

She is just deathly silent, which is very unusual. That's why I knew the actual. The other pilot said, miss Aunt Bonnie, you okay? You're kind of quiet back there because we were all talking. And about two seconds before, I was Trying. It's kind of like when you're riding with somebody and you feel like they should be braking and you start mashing the passenger floorboard as hard as you can. I do it with my wife all the time.

[Al]

Or grip the thing up.

[Jason]

Something wrong with your leg. And I'm like, I'm trying to push the brake from here, slow this thing down. Well, I was doing that, like, pull up. I was thinking, pull up, pull up. And so about two or three seconds later, we pulled up, you know, immediately. So then it gets to, well, now, now. Well, let's check the fuel. Now we're checking the fuel. I mean, we're gone. We're done with that. It's like we have to find an alternate. And we were going to do Rustin. That was the plan. But then we looked at Rustin when ads pink. So he's like, two choices, El Dorado or Shreveport. And I said, well, what are. What are the people in those towers saying? You know, he's like, you know, let's ask them.

[Al]

Well, El Dorado, I'm more concerned that you were involved in the process.

[Jason]

I was involved in the process.

[Al]

That concerns me because it's like, what do you. You're just sitting in the back.

[Zach]

You're not supposed to know that sausage is made, though.

[Jason]

Because he was like, you're supposed to.

[Zach]

Be behind at the counter ordering the meat. You're not supposed to be back there.

[Al]

I want it packaged.

[Jason]

In his defense, I don't want to know.

[Zach]

I don't want to know.

[Jason]

Because old Steve was a spectacular pilot. He was like, doesn't matter to us. We're getting out of here. But you're going to be without a vehicle. It's the middle of the night.

[Al]

So he's asking you more because you know the area.

[Jason]

Yeah, that's right. And I was like, let's go to El Dorado. Because I heard when he said, it's all clear, no fog. Because I was thinking Shreveport, we're still in Louisiana. Because we were going to go to Russ. And that was the backup plan. With the backup plan, it was now fogged up here. Maybe this thing's moving west. I mean, because then I thought, well, how much fuel we got? He's like, well, we got enough to make it to Shreveport. And I was like, well, then what if it's fogged up?

[Al]

That's right.

[Jason]

We're pushing that red button in. Or the parachute.

[Al]

I want to push the button.

[Jason]

I have to admit, I was ready. You know, I'm always ready. And I've been involved in a couple emergency landings, so I wasn't concerned about it, but I just thought, this is pretty hairy. I mean, because that fog, he was not landing there. You could not see.

[Al]

I could not see driving last night. I mean, like, there were a couple of times driving home, that's super dangerous. I mean, that's how bad the fog was.

[Zach]

But you know what? Would have had one heck of a podcast, Jace?

[Jason]

Well, this guy. Look, this is when the. All the excitement started when I landed in a little place called El Dorado, Arkansas. And we got there, dog. And of course, I was telling Missy. I was like, what? I mean, Bonnie, I was like, what time is it? After 10 o' clock, when the time change, it all messed up. I was like, she turns into a pumpkin at 10. Because I was like, I have a friend in Rustin. I was going to call. You can get a ride. And. But El Dorado, I don't know anybody. And so I thought, it's only an hour and 20 minutes. Maybe we can get Missy to come pick us up. That was the plan. And so I sent her a message saying, would you like to come pick us up in El Dorado, Arkansas? No response. But so Bonnie started calling her just, like, rapidly, and she was like, well, yeah, let me get settled. Because she was in the bed dozing off to sleep. So it's like, let me get settled. What does that mean? I get. Well, I gotta get my shoes on. You know, she was fixed to go to sleep. And so she was saying, you startled her. Crazy thing. Let me get settled and get my shoes on. And so she starts heading to El Dorado. So we're like, the plan was to call an Uber driver and meter, like, halfway. So. But we pull in this airport and there was a woman who lived at the airport that was under construction. And because I was like. They said, oh, there's somebody in there. It's like, well, great thing. Let us in. Because at this point, we're waiting out in the cold.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Trying to find Uber driver, you know, but. So we went in there and at.

[Al]

10 o' clock in that.

[Jason]

Well, then there's another employee that's fueling up the plane. I'm like, man, this is not bad for El Dorado. And his name was Bobby Beast of a man. He walked in and I introduced myself because I thought I got to make some contacts quick because we're in the middle of nowhere. And I told him who I was. He said, I know who you are. Which I thought was a good sign. I Was like, well, great. And I was like, well, look, I'm on. I guess we don't get an Uber. And he's like, now you don't get an Uber in El Dorado. He said, you might can call one, but good luck if he shows up. But so anyway, he said, well, where you need to go? I was like, well, I'm not sure. I want to meet my wife somewhere. And he's like, let's go. So. So beast took off. Oh, yeah, he got some gas, you know, and he's driving pretty rapidly. And all of a sudden, I'll look up and there's two deer standing, I would say 10ft in front of that. Our vehicle. That's going. Let's just put it. We're going the full maximum amount of the speed limit. And I thought, this is where it ends.

[Al]

You survived the planche ride to only now roll.

[Jason]

Let me tell you something. That joker, I would sponsor him in some kind of NASCAR race because in a moment, he took care of Aunt Bonnie because she was fixed to go out the windshield because it was a break swerve. And he just split the uprights of deer in a flash. And I braced for impact and thought, how in the world did he. Because it was a whole herd of deer. But he just went through two of them. I mean, just in the middle of the road. And I thought, wow, that just happened. He's like, you okay, Aunt Bonnie?

[Al]

So no wonder Bonnie sent me a note. Says she's resigned from taking care of J's now. And I understand.

[Jason]

So anyway, long story short, we start trying to call Missy, and he's like, meet me at the old Stone. Old stone church. And he told Missy that. And she's like, old stone church. Now, how do I. He's like, no, it's not a. It's just a road. And so after we hung up, I thought, I don't think we're going to meet her there. She had no idea. He's like, oh, I thought she had been up this way before. I was like, well, she has, but that was kind of a. We got a guy like that John Godwin, you know, go down there. There's three curves. There's a silo on the left, and take a. Take a right.

[Al]

There's a guy name named Jesse that's out by his truck.

[Jason]

Got old hound dog that'll probably come up there, but he won't bite. So then I started thinking, well, at some point, we're gonna pass each other. And he's like. And I said, that. And he's like, what? What's she drive? And I said, she. I told him the story because it's embarrassing to say we have a Wagoneer. It's like the most expensive car you can buy. I was like, it was during COVID She had to have a vehicle.

[Al]

That's the only one for certain to justify the car.

[Jason]

Yeah. And I said, and trust me, if she meets the. At old Stone Point, somebody's going to think she has some drugs in her car. Why would somebody be parked on the side of the road at midnight in this fancy car? And he said, what's your driver? Big white Wagoneer. You got to remember, we've been on the road here for 30, 40 minutes, and she passes us at that moment. He said, white Wagoneer. So you're like, why aren't you calling her? We don't have a signal. That's right. That joker did a U turn in the road. Cause he thought, if we can't get a hold of her, she's gonna head to the airport. And sure enough, Bonnie said, I got her. And she's like, we just passed you. We pull. I mean, it's like midnight. We pull on the side of the road. She's got her flashers on. And that's how I got with her. And we limped.

[Al]

That's the craziest story.

[Jason]

We limped home. I gave old Bobby a hondo. And I said, I want to. Cause he's got a wife and four daughters. And, you know, just for him to do that.

[Al]

Yeah, he didn't have to do that. No, of course he didn't.

[Jason]

And we're out there, you know, missing deer. And I thought, I'm. I'm buying you and your wife. I thought he'd say, no. No. He's like, well, thank you.

[Al]

Well, he was probably hoping. He knew you were a famous person.

[Jason]

Well, I thought this guy put his life.

[Al]

So did you make it to Farmville, Spearsville area? Where were you? Do you even know where you were when we met?

[Jason]

Yeah. Middle of nowhere. Yeah, middle of nowhere on side of the road.

[Al]

Probably around Spearsville down there somewhere. Just north of Farmville.

[Jason]

Yeah, we. We. Yeah, we were kind of in between.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

El Dorado.

[Al]

And there's no signal. You're exactly right, because that's the zone.

[Jason]

So anyway, that was the trip.

[Zach]

Moral of the story.

[Al]

Flying is dangerous, but driving is actually statistically much more dangerous.

[Jason]

No, Steve O. On the plane was a true professional. It's just. It's a. It's a more weird experience when you're listening. Look, I got news for you. They're doing that every time somebody's flying, they're talking about these things. But we're in on the conversation. So he said that. He's like, oh. Because they were laughing and I mean, there was zero animosity.

[Zach]

Steve O.

[Jason]

Was not.

[Zach]

He, he was. He never had his blood pressure raise up at all.

[Jason]

No. Yeah.

[Al]

Because they do it all. And even if they do, you never know.

[Zach]

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[Al]

I got a granddaughter that just bought a home as well. So this is, this is very near and dear to us.

[Zach]

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[Al]

So, Zach, I mean I've been. The latest news about Epstein I think has been pretty amazing. Jase, you've kind of Been out of the loop because you hadn't had a.

[Jason]

I have no Internet, but I've heard about it. And it's sickening that this kind of stuff goes on on our planet. But look, in reality, are we really shocked? I mean, First John 5, the last verse in his sermon is he says, we know that the whole world is under the control of the evil one, but we know we're children of God and this spiritual war is rampant and raging. And when these things come out, why are we really shocked? Well, you remember on the. Because I know. Evidently they.

[Al]

They just had a big dump. Like, was it 3,500 pages of emails and materials?

[Jason]

Way more than that.

[Al]

Maybe it was 3 million 500.

[Jason]

Now, I haven't had the Internet or a TV in two weeks. I still don't.

[Al]

I looked it up earlier when we were talking.

[Jason]

Well, here's what I want to say about that. Al, you remember in that study when we were doing about. I think it was on. When we were talking about the anointing and how kings were anointed with oil. And I mean, it kind of goes back to the garden of this liquid life and setting people apart. And God himself's like, you don't need a king. I am the king. But all the people wanted kings. Well, there was a.

[Al]

And he also knew we were setting that up because he also knew that he would come here as Jesus Christ. I mean, in Jesus, who would be the king?

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Al]

So he knew that. He's like, I got the king coming, you know?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

He's like, I got it. But look, what do humans do? Oh, no. We're like, no, we got it. But I remember from that study in Deuteronomy 17, when he was like, okay, you want a king? I'll give you a king. But I'm telling you, you should listen to me. And there was like, three rules for the king. And what's amazing, you said, what's this got to do with Epstein or Evilstein? However you want to. I mean. Well, you start looking in this, you're like, people are, like, fascinated that powerful people are doing evil things. Trust me, they've been doing that since the Garden. But I wanted to read this because isn't this interesting? I don't know when Deuteronomy was written.

[Al]

Well, Moses wrote it. And so this would have been quite a bit before the actual king thing happened. I mean, we're talking hundreds of years prior.

[Jason]

Yeah. So he gives the kind of the rules on if we're going to have a king. And isn't it interesting? This is Deuteronomy 17:16. The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt. You are not going not to go back that way again. Which back then? Horses. Think tanks.

[Zach]

Power.

[Jason]

That was the power. Whoever had the most horses and the most men won. So it's a power thing.

[Al]

Remember that when this was written, Pharaoh had all the horses. And remember God had shown him he was more powerful than the horses already.

[Jason]

Exactly. He must not take a lot of wives or his heart will be led astray. So here we have the sex thing. Because, you know, you're the king, you can do whatever you want to the power. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

[Al]

Money, money, money.

[Jason]

So you just think, you know, we're in First John 2. Talking about the. That don't love the world and the cravings of sinful man. And that, that, that's, that's where this, this goes off.

[Al]

Money, sex and power. And this whole Epstein affair is. That's what it can. Is people that are very powerful have a lot of money.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

And this whole thing is built around sex. That was the whole purpose of the whole thing. Of course it was. It was people underage. It was terrible things.

[Jason]

Oh, kids. And, and what? You know, I don't know. I mean, I haven't read all this stuff, but it just seems like it's this devious anti. Decreation of what humanity is supposed to look like in view of God and to do the very opposite. And death is king and abuse is king. And you're looking at babies as just sexual objects.

[Al]

So it's amazing to me. And there's also. You mentioned it. There's also kind of a weird fascination of people wanting to know more and more about it. Now I'm all about the accountability idea. If people broke laws.

[Jason]

I don't believe there's been one arrest in the whole thing.

[Al]

I don't think so. Well, except for the woman that was helping him. Right. They arrested her. But you're right, Jason, of course, then they had arrested him and then he either killed himself, was murdered, and that's a whole nother thing. But the thing about it is there's a weird fascination about wanting to know all this stuff. I'm all about accountability for it. But then I don't want to know the details of all this sickness.

[Zach]

No. It's kind of sickening. And I mean, one of the things I was thinking, because we're going through this first John study and you read about when John kind of juxtaposes the.

[Jason]

World.

[Zach]

With life in Christ, participation in Christ. But Epstein, he really represents the inconclusion of the world. It's all about sexual appetite, sexual conquest, power, which is interesting, too, I think, that it wasn't just about sex. It was also about power and money. And it's interesting how all three of those things were, like, in the same exact entrapment. Right. And we don't know the full story of what all he was involved in, but, like, it clearly, like a picture, like, at the end of it, you're just like, that's not very appealing. Yeah. I mean, I don't know anyone that would look at the way he ended and think, man, if he had all the power, all the money and all the sexual exploits that he could muster up and imagine. And now the world's looking at that, and I think we're collectively condemning it. But there is a weird, also kind of like a weird fascination with it as well.

[Jason]

Al.

[Al]

Well, it is. And you remember, Zach, about, I want to say it was a decade prior to when they arrested him. And, you know, and the whole thing happened the last few years ago. There was a decade before that they had him like he was in Florida. They had him up on charges, and they basically just let him walk. I mean, he had already been called once in this whole regime, and I guess the powerful people thwarted it, and the government didn't get him. And so then there was another decade of this stuff that went on and on. And I guess that shows you what happens, though, when you get into. There's something about living your life with a clear conscience. I mean, we all admit we're sinners, but you avoid stuff like anything like this, and you live with a clear conscience, man. You don't have to worry about somebody, you know, knocking your door down to find out some secret cabal you were involved in. I mean, that's what the whole point of this text. We're in in First John.

[Jason]

Well, what stood out to me was you have the Department of Justice releasing all this injustice that happened.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And that's why I just thought, even last night, I guess, when I got to our spiritual war part, while I was speaking and our sinful behavior and the world. And I actually brought up First John. I said, we're studying First John in the podcast, which took me five minutes to realize I probably already get off this if I want to speak in 40 minutes. And I zeroed in on it more because everybody's conscious of this, but that's why when we take for granted that God is just, he will think about the verse. He will pay back trouble and those who give you trouble. I thought about Romans 2, like in verse 5 where it says, because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will give to each person according to what he's done. He's going to make things right. To those who by persistence in doing good, seek glory, honor, and in immortality will give eternal life. But those who are self seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. First for the Jew, then for the Gentile. But glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good for God. Verse 11 does not show favoritism.

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Zach]

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[Al]

Well, and then I saw some articles about Bill Gates, rich man, and was going to spend his last years doing all these philanthropic projects, and now he's having to defend himself for, you know, STDs he gave to his wife. But here's the thing, you, Satan is a cruel taskmaster. And, Zach, you've quoted me before as saying that that's why we like to detonate our own time bombs. Because if you leave it to him, if you do things in secret as what we're describing here, he will explode the time bomb, when it's the very worst for you, he's never going to be your friend. You go into these secret, dark places. And I think that's part of the allure. These were wealthy, powerful people. And part of the lure of it, Zach, was probably just the secrecy of it. They knew they were doing something wrong. You know, we talk about it in marriage context of a lot of times I'm trying to think of the word. There's a word limerence. It's this idea that you're drawn to, to something secret, and it makes it so appealing. But then when you realize in an affair situation, I mean, these people are like, oh, this is so great. I mean, this is what I've never had at home, and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden you realize it's just another person. And after a little while, when the limerence wears off, it's like, well, this person's got the same problems the other person I have.

[Zach]

Well, if you walk with anybody through an affair, which I know we all have walked with many, many couples through affairs and then infidelity, the limerence is a real thing. That's a very, very common thing, which is essentially that you'll hear something like, man, the sex was just out of this world with this person. I wasn't even married to the intensity of the emotional and physical connection and bond, the way they would describe that connection. It's like it was out of this world. And it's a real thing that's called limerence.

[Jason]

That is.

[Zach]

It's deceptive. And. But that does wear off. And when that is gone now you're back in the same boat that you were in with your previous spouse. And now you've got to fit. So it's like you got to run through that wall. But you talked about the darkness of it all and kind of the hiding and the forbidden fruit nature of it. I mean, that really is the darkness. That's the secret network that John is talking about in 1 John 2, verse 9 and 11. What does he say? Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no calls for stumbling. Whoever says he's in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. So, like, the whole thing is to come out of concealment, to come out into the light. And these networks and these. Because I think it was a network here. But these evil networks, what do they all have in common? They operate in the darkness, not in the light. It's about concealment, hidden rooms, even, like NDAs, you think about how many churches even do this now. They make you sign it. I'm like, why sign an NDA? Why do you ask people to sign NDAs? Intimidation. It's compromised people. And then you operate in this space of darkness in the kingdom. It's like, no, no, no. Dead date, your own time bomb. Bring it all into the light. If you do sin, what do you do? Confess your sin to one another so that you may be healed. And then that confession, the reason why that leads to healing, according to James, is because the confession actually brings into the light the thing that the devil can use to accuse you of.

[Al]

Yeah, I don't want to sign NDAs. I want to sign DA's disclosure or grievance, because the more we disclose, the better off we are.

[Jason]

The problem is, though, if you use that principle here, they're like, well, if I confess my sins, someone will come and lock me up in a prison.

[Al]

Which is true. It's true.

[Jason]

And you can be healed, but that doesn't mean you're not going to be free.

[Zach]

Consequences.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

Hey, we were talking the other day on the last time we recorded a podcast about old jelly Roll. He's like, I was in this. I was in an 8 by 8, and all I had was my little Bible here. And this is where I found Jesus. You know, there's your answer.

[Zach]

I got a question for y'.

[Jason]

All.

[Zach]

What does yalls translation of First John 2:16 say? Mine says, for all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life is not from the Father, but is from the world. What is your translation?

[Jason]

Well, this is the niv, which I'm not going to stand up and defend, because a lot of times I think, ooh. But it says, for everything in the world, the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does comes not from the Father, but from the world. But let me look it up on a Greek lexicon while you're talking.

[Zach]

Yeah, one translation. I'm not sure which one it is, but I have it pulled up here. It's the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. And I thought, man, what an interesting verse that is. When you think about the lust of the flesh, which really is like, it's that unbridled sexual appetite. And so you say, what would. What should our sexual appetite be? Bridled. It should be bridled by love and.

[Al]

Fidelity, which is kind of the whole Point.

[Zach]

By doing so, you can actually create love for God. Society could be really great things.

[Al]

Because you're right, because when Jesus was reading that about what he said about the kings, just think about it. I mean, how many horses are too many? How much power is too much power? People that are going for power, it's never enough. You got to have more. And the same with money, the same with the sex.

[Jason]

It's the same.

[Al]

It's just, it's this unquenching thirst for something that's not healthy for more.

[Zach]

So think about like that's such a great point that fits into the text really nicely because he goes on to say right after that, he says that the desires of the world are diminishing, they're passing away. And so that's the thing that you got to keep up in the game. So Epstein and these guys, it's get more and more perverse. Start bringing in the younger and younger women, the children. Then it's this all out just. I mean, then the lust of the eyes becomes about consuming people first visually and then fleshly. You're consuming them. So you're curating these fantasies and you're curation of all this imagery in your mind. And he's playing this out on literally a pedophile island. And then the pride of life steps in. And I'm not going to get caught bigger than this.

[Al]

Think about leading extortion nature of it now, because the evil ones got you. Because as Jay said, now you've broken laws. Now not only will you lose all your stuff in your relationships, they will take away your freedom.

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Zach]

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[Jason]

So the first one first where it says the Nov says cravings of sinful man. It seems to be most more lust like 5 24. Remember when it says you've crucified the old sinful nature with its lust and desires. The same word. Ephesians 2, 3 where it says you gratified the cravings of the sinful nature. Well, that's the same word. The lust or the lust of its desires. A few others on that John 8:44. Remember when Jesus said you belong to your father? I believe that's where he said that the devil. Yeah. So let's see, what does 8:44 say? Because this is. John wrote this also. So he uses the same word 8:44. You belong to your father and you want to carry out your father. Oh, your father's desire.

[Al]

That's why. That's the tie in to the evil one right there.

[Jason]

Oh, oh. We don't found a smoking gun there. So John 8:44, same word is used as first John 2 on the first one, the cravings of. That's the cravings. So. Well then they have the next one lust. So hold on.

[Al]

And that's why it's such a. That's why it's such a damnable thing because.

[Jason]

Oh, it's the same word.

[Al]

Same word.

[Jason]

The where it says cravings of sinful man. The lust of his eyes. But the cravings and lust are actually.

[Al]

Yeah. Because it's what you see.

[Jason]

It's the exact same word.

[Al]

Yeah. It's in the mind. But remember when Jesus said that your eyes are the window into your soul? The idea about what you choose to look at.

[Jason]

Yeah. It goes back to the garden. When she saw that fruit, there was a desire there.

[Al]

That's right. She saw that it was desirable for gaining wisdom and looked good to eat. Remember that was part of it's appealing to her.

[Jason]

She wanted it.

[Al]

She wanted it, and she couldn't quit thinking about it.

[Jason]

And then the Evil one comes in there with his own agenda, which we just made true in John 8:44, because he's got his own agenda, but it's lining up with humanity's rebellion. And there you go.

[Al]

That's exactly.

[Zach]

Well, that's why the whole thing of this first John is about. We keep using the language of, like, participation, participatory, connected, integrated with Christ, life in Christ, union with Christ. These are phrases that we would use because it's not about. You could look at the Epstein thing and you could say, those monsters out there, and they are monsters. And I don't know how big this conspiracy is. I don't know who all is involved in it. But I know this so that eventually they will all be held accountable. Everyone will come to justice at some point. If that happens on this earth, great. But the harder truth of the matter is that the Epstein story is not just about the monsters out there. Like, this is what we're all capable of. And so what makes you capable of that is continuing to follow down the path of a disordered love or disordered desire. So that verse you read about, about following the desire of your father, meaning the devil, right? Like, that is a disordered desire. That is a desire that ultimately leads to the consumption of people. Whereas a godly desire, and as we yield and bring our desires under the rule and the reign of Christ, that is a desire that actually doesn't lead to the consumption of people. It leads to the procreation of people. I mean, think about the difference between, like, procreation of people resulting in family, resulting in community, resulting in intimacy, resulting in fidelity, resulting in loyalty, resulting in the cultivation of a home and a crop and food and culture. That's one side of sexuality. And the other side is we're going to consume people for the sake of sexual gratification.

[Al]

And that's why the end of that is death. You're right, Zane. That's why relationship and love become. Becomes the central theme for John. And it's the same, like, within your own family. I've said this before. We talked about lust and pornography on the podcast. Our good friends at Covenant Eyes, you know, we had a whole podcast about it. And in that, I told you guys, I was like, what changed it for me was that I realized if I'm watching pornography and these women involved in this pornography, that's someone's daughter or wife or girlfriend or mom, you know, and so that's a relationship. I realize that whatever has got them in their life to be doing this. But I'm now lusting over it and think about the relationships and the destructive nature of that. I don't want people looking at my grandkids and my wife in that way. So, you know, you got to make a decision.

[Jason]

What's terrifying about all this is there's only two camps that are going to stand before God. Those in Christ who surrendered to him and those who are not. And I think in our world, we think, well, if I'm better than somebody else, then I'm going to be okay, even though I don't follow Jesus or have surrendered to Christ.

[Al]

Not as bad as Epstein.

[Jason]

Just don't work that way, you know, I want to be as far away from that camp as possible. I want to be in light and in Jesus. That's as far as you can be away. I did want to bring this up, this other word where it says, and the boasting of what he has and does. Now, the word boast has different Greek.

[Al]

Words still in 16.

[Jason]

I'm still in 16, but this particular one is only used twice in the New Testament. So I just discovered this while I was looking. And the other time it's used is kind of fascinating to me. So I wanted to read. So it's used here, and then it's used in the book of James in chapter four and verse 16. But I want to read that little paragraph. It says, now remember, this is right after in James where he talks about the two kinds of wisdom. One that's of the devil. That's right.

[Al]

And the other is godly wisdom.

[Jason]

Other godly wisdom. So submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil. That's four, seven. So he gets to 13, and he says, now listen to you who say, today or tomorrow we'll go to this city or this island or whatever, carry on business, make some money while you don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow. What is your life? You're a mist that appears a little while and then vanishes. Instead you ought to say, if it's the Lord's will, we will live and do this. As it is, here's the time it's used. You boast and brag. All such boasting, that's the same word is evil. Anyone then who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it. Sins. And I think it makes sense when you read the first John 2 passage.

[Al]

On, remember the first lies act. You will be like God.

[Zach]

You'll be like God is so good as we end on this. Jason and I were talking, I guess in the duck blind. We were together. I can't remember. He pulled this verse on me, the one. And this is not from the Father, but. But from the world. No, we were in the. I remember we were in the layer talking and we were having a little impromptu Bible study. And you mentioned this. We were talking about different theologies that would say that somehow sin originates with God's sovereignty or something. And we were like, you brought this verse up. Like that's ridiculous. Sin could never originate with God. And I think what we're talking about here is you think about something so heinous like. Like the Epstein files and whatever went down and all the power players that were involved. Here's the thing. You can be rest assured in that is not from God. That's the whole point. It's outside of the will of God. Does God allow it? Yes, he allowed it, obviously. But that is not under the rule and the reign of God's will.

[Jason]

It almost seems like it's anti Jesus, which he addresses in the next paragraph. Christ.

[Al]

All right, we're out of time.

[Zach]

Who is the Antichrist? Next episode. Now we're getting into it.

[Al]

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