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Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1265 | The Robertsons Break Down Bad Bunny, Kid Rock & Why Only Jesus Can Change the World
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I am unashamed.
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What about you?
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So welcome back to Unashamed. It's interesting. This is, this is. We're recording today on Super Bowl Monday, I call it. It's. It's the one day of the year when my wife actually joins me and watches an entire football game. I don't know if you fellas or have the same thing, but Lisa never watch. You know, she'll watch a little bit here and there, but she actually sits down and watches the whole game. Of course, you know, we're kind of interested in the commercials, so it's kind of a bonding thing. And normally I'm at home, so I got a whole house full. But this time we were down here at the Southern Lair, so it was just the two of us. But it was just y' all too. Yeah. Super Bowl Sunday.
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So this is where we're going. Well, guess what? Alright, I missed Super Bowl Sunday. I missed the whole thing.
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You didn't watch it?
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I actually. Well, you don't understand something, Zach. Look, are you like boycotting him or are you Storm. Yeah, we had a storm come through here. You were here for the first couple days and then all of a sudden, ice apocalypse.
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You got out of Dodge, you got.
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Scared and you took off.
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I don't know if I got scared. I got busy. I had bills to pay, I had people to see.
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Yeah. So mouths to feed.
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We missed it because we have no Internet, we have no TVs. We have. The only device that actually is functional at our house is my wife's phone. So, yeah, so she said, well, I want to have little man's birthday party. But I was thinking about Super Sunday and what do you think about that? I was like, well, how would we watch the Super Bowl? And she's like, well, that's why I'm thinking about doing it on Super Bowl Sunday. So that's what we did. So I.
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To.
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For me, this is kind of Dinosaur Monday because. Yeah, we, we was.
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It's the dinosaur theme for the kids and the dinosaurs.
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Look.
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Okay.
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And just to show you. What was that question, Somebody had a show one time, are you smarter than something?
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Fifth grader. Are you smarter than a fifth grader?
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So let me put it to you this way. If you asked me, are you smarter than a 4 year old? I would answer, depending on what the discussion is about. Yeah, this kid knows every dinosaur that is out there, which was shocking.
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I bet he. I bet he's also better on your phone than you are as well.
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My phone's not working, so I Got.
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A four year old at my house. And I'll tell you this, the other. I was sitting there last night of fact last night and Fred, I just got Fred a phone. Now there's a lot of parameters on it, but he's 14 now, so he just got his first phone too young. The only people he can call is. No, only people he can call his family. I've got it all set up.
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No Internet.
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No, I said this thing is locked down. There's it.
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No social media.
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No social media. He's got about 25 people he can call on the phone. Everyone's related.
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No, see, I think you messed up. You had an opportunity here. You need to just give him the phone but have it where it's not functional. 14's too. I had this conversation with Little man because he's like, J Rock, do you want me to fix your phone? And I was like, sure. Because he knew my phone wasn't working. So look, listen, what this little kid did at this point of his life, he's only three, so get the phone out and look, you know what he started doing? He started running his finger across it, swiping. You know how people swipe stuff, which is now a thing. And I thought he, he's seen so many people do that. He knows that if you stick your finger on it. And so I told him, I was like, no, it's not for using because it didn't work. I was like, this is for just looking at. It's kind of like a piece of hard rock candy Red. It's not for eating, it's just for looking through. And if any of you are confused about that, go watch Outlaw Dosi. Well, she can leave now. Go watch it and come back and resume.
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Well, Lone Wadi.
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I didn't do that. I get. I mean, because I got to get a hold of him when he's at practices and stuff like that. I don't have to, but I like, it's, it's. It's for me, not for him.
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Well, but did he give you that idea or did you?
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No, no. Well, he's been. Oh, they've been here. He's been working me for years.
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That's what I'm saying.
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No, I'm immune to all that though. I don't. That doesn't phase me. I mean, you, if I feel like you're trying to manipulate me or gaslight me, I become like a stone wall. I mean, you know what that's like. That's a family trait. Anytime we talk about, well, here's my point.
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In 1980, how did I get picked up at school? I didn't have a phone. Guess what? I just sat there and look up here. Somebody came. It's just crazy that there was no communication involved. They knew I was there and then they came and picked me up. Yeah, it's a noble concept, but for a few thousand years, people just. They just live. So I feel I'm in this state now because I've just become a lot like my dad. But I was forced into this way because nothing works mechanical. So there's way more work going on.
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Well, you probably saved yourself. Well, I was going to say that Ruth last night, she's four years old and she has somehow watched him and she knows his pat. She knows how to his passcode to get into his phone. I was shocked that she's literally picked that up. I don't even know. I'm like, can you even count to 10? But she can work. She knows how to. Yeah, I mean, I. I mean, she can't count to 10. But I'm like. She's like. The fact that she knows that these kids, they. They figured out, even at 4 years old, it's kind of funny. But you didn't miss it. You didn't miss anything on the Super Bowl. It was not a good game.
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The game was terrible for the most part. I mean, I say terrible. I mean, it was just so defensive. Some it was just punting. It was just. I don't know, it was kind of boring.
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Wow. Those are key neglected parts of the game. Yeah. Did a person on the special teams get the mvp?
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They didn't, but they should add the running back got the MVP for Seattle, But. But they could have easily given it to the punter for Seattle or the field go kicker. I mean, really, they deserved it as much as the running back did. So that was that kind of game. Yeah, the punter was amazing. But. So the big controversy was, of course, Bad Bunny, who. When I first. I first called him Briar Rabbit because I couldn't remember his name, but his name was Bad Bunny. And apparently he's from Puerto Rico and he's a singer, although I'd never heard of him, but it became controversial sort of before. So I. I went. I didn't watch the halftime show. I don't typically like it anyway. And it seems like they've just gotten worse to me in the last decade. So I went to the Turning Point. They had an alternate halftime show. And you would have liked it. Jace, the. The one guy that I Can't remember his name because I'm not a fan, but this guy was singing a song, and he said, it's. It's not easy being country in this country these days. And so I thought that was a pretty good line. It kind of reminded me of the country. Country boy will survive.
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So you had to change the channel.
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Yes.
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To go watch an alternate halftime show. Is that where we're at now?
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Well, they. They offered it, and I heard about it, and tbn, which is. Was that Trinity Broadcast Network, which they're kind of like a. Normally a religious channel. They carried it on DirecTV. And so I just flipped over there, watched it. They had several singers. Kid Rock was on there, but he only did one song. But, you know, and they talked about Charlie Kirk, and they talked about Turning Points. I thought it was. It was pretty good. And so I missed the whole other thing. But I just noticed when I looked on X and other things, there was a lot of back and forth about it.
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It's so bizarre, the place we're at culturally now that, like, literally the super bowl, like football, a football game, is like, you're. You have to choose your side and make your.
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It's just because at one point, that was the one unifier. Right. That was the one place you could go, like the super bowl and not really have. You could just laugh and, like, not think about politics for one day. But you're right. It came down to. It was almost like you were choosing sides at the halftime show.
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Yeah, there's a. There's a guy out there named John Stonestreet. We already have him on the podcast. I really like his stuff, but he is. I think he runs the Coulson Institute. You guys remember Chuck Colson? Yeah, He. He wrote.
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He was.
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Did a lot of Christian worldview ministry and stuff, but last year or so, can't remember, I listened to a podcast he did about these different pillars of society, and he was talking about how they've all pretty much evaporated, like the family, the education. Like, it's all these. All these pillars have collapsed, and the only one left standing is. Is the. The pillar of politics. And it's bearing the weight of, like, all of society. And that's why everything is political now. And so I. Yeah, it was kind of a lament when I was watching this. This thinking that this is. We really do have, like, a super divided country right now. And it. And it made me sad to think about that. I hate that. Yeah, that's where we're at. But, yeah, I mean.
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Well, maybe bad bunny needs to take a rabbit hole for Jesus.
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I like that, J, because I.
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About 75% of what y' all just said, I have no idea what you're talking about, which is. Okay.
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Yeah, years ago.
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The Janet Jackson. Yeah, that's award rib malfunction and it's just progressively got more debaucherous and it's like. So for that reason, I'M like, man, this is. I mean, I don't want my kids watching that. And. But at the same time, I also don't want to just be constantly angry and outraged. I mean, this is the world. You know, the Bible says that our fight is not against flesh and blood. And so when you start thinking about who our fight's against, man, it's against the spiritual demonic forces in the heavenly realms. And there's a spiritual battle going on here. And I think the power of the gospel to speak into a moment like this, it really is. There is hope. If you get so into the cultural divide, then for me, and this may not be for you, but for me, it's been like. It robs me of my joy. It robs me of the vision and the hope that I have in the kingdom. I'm like, I just got to keep coming back to that truth of what the Hebrew writer says about the kingdom of God, that we don't belong to a kingdom that can be shaken. We actually belong to a kingdom that can't be shaken or destroyed. And so I always kind of like, think about. I hide back under that, like, the wing of God. I think about, like, him as a wing. And you get. In these moments, you get angry, you get whatever, fearful, go back into the wing of God. You know, we. We are.
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We.
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We do belong to something beautiful. And, and we are safe and we are secure. You know what I mean? And. And nothing is going to come against the people of God. Nothing's going to take the kingdom of God down. Not gonna happen.
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Well, I just. I mean, part of it is, I don't know, Zach. You. You do marketing and, you know, you have businesses and you do media content. I just, I don't quite understand the NFL mindset of, like, this consist. It feels consistent to me that it just doesn't speak to a big chunk of your audience. I mean, would you not at least every, you know, few years just throw us a bone of just somebody that's at least neutral or, like, is just there to perform? Why does it always have to be so provocative? I mean, even the. I mean, there's been controversy ever since they announced that this person was going to do it. He's very political, he's very vocal, apparently, in his. In his views. And so they almost knew it was going to happen. So I just, I don't understand the mindset of having a base of your customer and just never seems like it matters to them, you know, and the NFL now is just. They keep repeating this cycle in My opinion?
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Well, I haven't seen the.
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They hurt their brand.
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I, I think I haven't seen the stats on it. I did see an article about the Turning Point USA halftime show that it was like, I want to say, like, 6 million people are watching at the peak you just YouTube. And so that's, That's a pretty big statement there, because that's not 6 million people. That's 6 million views. As you can imagine, a lot of these people are casting it on their, on their screens in their homes. And so they might be, you know, that.
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And that didn't even capture them all. You're right, because I was watching it in a completely different method. So that number is much larger, I'm sure.
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And I don't know how many households, you know are. We're watching the Super Bowl. I was curious. I wonder if that, like, the numbers have gone down over the years. I mean, I remember as a kid, the super bowl was like, everybody was watching it. Like, everybody was watching the super bowl. And everybody got the, you know, Domino's Pizza or Pizza Hut, and we had the 2 liter Cokes and every youth group party. I mean, it's like, like this way youth groups did this back in the 90s. And now I, I, I bet a youth crew, you could. I mean, you couldn't turn it on at least a halftime show. But I didn't, but to be fair, I didn't really know who was playing, and I don't really keep up with the NFL anymore.
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But you watched it.
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I did watch it because. Because it's.
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You knew we'd be talking about it because everybody, they would be talking about.
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But, but, like, Jill got home because she spoke at an event in Alabama, which I was way more excited to talk to her about that because she spoke at an event with a, with some, like an intimate gathering at a farm. I actually got one that had some repping here from a farm down south of Birmingham, Alabama. And so she came back and was like, oh, Zach, it was so amazing. Like, the Holy Spirit was just present. And so we're talking about that. And I'm. And she. We're talking on the phone. She'll be home about seven. I said, well, you'll come. You'll be here right in time for the game. And she said, what game? I said, the Super Bowl. Oh, is that today? I was like, yes. Who's playing? I said, I don't know. So I didn't really know. And I, like, I feel like I used to know every player I knew Every stat. I knew all of it. And.
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But you're making my point that I feel like the NFL has lost a relevance with people who used to love the product.
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And I don't know if they have or not. I don't know if they have. I mean, I. I'm curious. I haven't.
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Well, they have with me. I. I can only speak for myself, but I'm definitely that way. I don't watch near the games. I still will know who's playing and be aware, sports aware. But I just. I care so little about it now. I mean, I was. I was cooking hamburgers, you know, on and off from, you know, the whole first half of the game. And then, like I said, was kind of a dud anyway because of the defense and special teams.
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Was. But Jason, he don't even have Internet anymore, so he's like, he's out on the whole thing.
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Oh, he didn't know.
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Like, my phone will come on, you know, for a second and. But like, I can't get pictures or like, if somebody sends me something, it won't download. And then all of a sudden it'll be like, everything will come. So. And if you, if you start watching stuff or like, you know, a video, then your phone. My phone just goes immediately to zero as far as battery, even though it's plugged in. So I'm not sure what this phenomenon is, but. So I was. I save it for the spiritual stuff. So actually, my sweet daughter in law, she sent me a. It was a podcast. And she's like, what do you think about this? Because she was tracking with our podcast when we Talked about in First John 2. About do not love the world or anything in the world, because. And then there's three things. And so she sent me a podcast. I think it was from Live Free was the name of it. And I wound up listening to the whole thing. But because they made a connection with those three things described in the world, which is what y' all just talked about not liking about the Super Bowl. It's like when you see the satanic world trying to make a platform over a football game. Well, you're like, well, why am I watching? I just want to watch the football game. But no, it has to have some kind of agenda. And then it seems like it's some spiritual war aspect, almost like it's a world within a world of people saying, well, wait a minute. So those three things in that podcast, he went back to the Temptation of Jesus. I didn't remember if we did that. We did we did, yeah.
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Well, then I made that reference that it's very similar to the three ways that Satan attacked Jesus.
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Well, listen to this. So. And we should have kind of hung out there, because that is true. I mean, he had the lust of the flesh, which he tempted him with the bread, you know, saying, you know, turn them. Turn these rocks to bread and eat. So then you had. What was the second one?
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He took him up to the top of the temple and said if he threw himself down and tested God, that. Then he quoted a verse that says no harm would come to him. So he was basically trying to get him to test the plan of God and he did it at the temple.
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Yeah. And then the third one was, you know, kind of prove yourself pride of life.
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Right. So it took him up on the mountaintop.
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Where is that? So I know Matt's Matthew version.
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Matthew 4 or 3.
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Yeah, Matthew 4. But when it said, where did it say all the kingdoms belong to him?
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Yeah, that was. Oh, yeah, that was the third one again.
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The devil took him. This is Matthew 4. 8. The devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world. And there's all this. I will give you. So this fellow made the point, which I agreed with all these conclusions. I just never had gone down this rabbit hole to get there. He was like, well, Jesus didn't argue, well, these are not your kingdoms. And so he was making the point, well, if. What about the verses that says Jesus is the king of kings? Like, there's a revelation one, he's the ruler of the kings of the ear, he's at the right hand of God. So he talked about there's a dominion theology. I'm like, oh, I'm going to check this out. But it basically was what we've been teaching in Daniel 7 with Jesus. There's going to be one like the Son of man come and establish his kingdom, and he's exalted above all. Here's where I had never made this connection. So then he goes to Jeremiah 32, an obscure story that to my knowledge, I had never read. And it was basically Jeremiah being told by God to go buy this land. And it got a little confusing. It got a little bit Bible nerdy. But basically the concept was God was saying, babylon's going to come take over the land because y' all are not being faithful to me. But he comes up with this deed that kind of has two sides to it. And it's like once you buy the land and someone takes it over, you can Have a redeemer. The original landowner can come in and redeem the land like after it's passed over and whatever happens, happens. And then there was an inheritance side to it. So you don't have to really know the story to realize those two things. Does that sound familiar? Some family owner, kinsman can redeem the land at some point and this has to do with inheritance.
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Talking about my bubble cuddle blanket and I'm like, it's a real deal guys at our house, I'm telling you, these guys are taking over the home.
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Look, I got my wife one for Christmas and just yesterday she said, you know that bubble cuddle blanket you got? I said yes. She said, I'm going to need seven more, one for every day of the week. So thank you.
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It was interesting that he then linked that to Revelation chapter five, where here's this two sided scroll that comes up from this vision. The right hand of God looking, here's the lamb that looking like it had been slain. And it actually uses the word redemption in there. Giving this inheritance to human beings like claiming the land. So the whole point of that was is he went back to Genesis. Now this part we have talked about went back to Genesis and it's like, well, God made humans in his image and gave them power to rule over the land and the creatures and work the ground and this whole deal about the ground and what did humans do? They forfeited that and handed it over to someone that wasn't God by not trusting God in the garden. And he's like, and this is God claiming back the land through someone who would redeem it and give as the original owner and give that inheritance to all nations from whatever land spot you're on. So I thought that was. I thought it was really interesting, and I liked it. I was like, yep. And he pointed to that temptation of Jesus as part of that. And I thought about John chapter 12, which makes a lot more sense after everything I just said. When Jesus said, you remember the voice that came up? I have glorified it and I will glorify it again. That's John 12:28. The crowd that was there, you know, they thought it had thunder, but Jesus said, this voice was for your benefit, not mine. Now is the time for judgment on this world. Now the prince of this world. Well, who is that?
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That's Satan.
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Yeah. Will be driven out. Oh, but when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. So here's this redeemer who has this inheritance, getting God's family back, getting the land back, which eventually, when you go down that rabbit hole in Revelation, we get a new heaven and a new Earth, and the evil one is somewhere in a little place called the Lake of Fire.
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Yeah.
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With his entourage. So I thought it was really interesting.
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That's a. That's a great point. I mean, you think about, like, that's what I was trying to say earlier about, like, how do Christians respond to all of what's going on? Even, like. Like, the big news today is the. I mean, it is the super bowl halftime show. I mean, if you did get on Twitter or X or Instagram or all the news feeds, like, that seems to be the big topic. And. And half the country is. Is on one side. The other half is on the other side. And you gotta, you know, but it's like, wow, but how do you, as a Christian to it? The way I'm responding is.
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Is to.
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Is to remember that Ephesians 6, that says our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. And so to your point, you started with Satan is. Does have some degree of. Of control over the world within the world. Because in John 12, it says, now is the judgment of this world. Now will the ruler of this world be cast out. What you just read John 14. The ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me. John 16 because the ruler of this world is judged. 2nd Corinthians 4. In their case, the God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers. Ephesians 2 followed the prince of power of the air, talking about the devil. And then first John 5:19, the whole world lies, lies in the power of the evil one. So, like, when you think about, like, what's happening here, like there is a, this is a. There is a demonic like world inside the world. But, but I think what's even more powerful and encouraging is, is like you read the book of Hebrews and it starts off in Hebrews 2. It's when he's con. Contrasting, you know, Jesus with first the prophets because he said in the past God spoke to the prophets and then. And the angels and. But now he speaks to the Son and then he makes this Contrast in Hebrews 2. It has everything to do with kind of the, I would say the counter vision to the Prince of the world. He says, to which of the. He says he did not subject the world to come. The world that is coming to angels. He didn't give it to. He didn't give it to the angels to have dominion over. And then he quotes, the Hebrew writer, quotes Psalm 8. And I went back and read Psalm 8 as I was thinking about this. If you read the entirety of Psalm 8, you know what it's about, vocation and the vocation of man. Because he says, who is man? That you are mindful of him. And then he says the Son of Man. But he's connecting the Son of Man with the rest of humanity. So I think to your point, such a good point, the one who owns, ultimately owns the land. The real, like the real OG owner, the one who actually owns it is the Son of Man. All things were created by him, and all things were created through him. And for Him, Christ is imminent. Christ created all of the land. He owns all of it. So when he comes back at his ascension and he's drawn all men to Himself, then what we have and our responsibility in that is that we are coming in underneath kind of his lead. And now we're vice regents and now we're expanding the kingdom.
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Well, that's what it says. Look, let me just read this Revelation 5 and I'll fill in the gaps. It says, then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And so you say, well, who sits on a throne? Well, a king. See, Zach just went through all these verses about the evil one ruling or having this power over the world. But now we have someone sitting on a throne. And how did that happen? Just if you look through Israel's history, there was some kind of anointing. We went through that. Or some kind of ceremony declaring, okay, this person's going to do great things. Well, then the second thing is they have to go do something great. Well, what did he do? Jesus per se, once he came back from the dead, which, to go back to that, John 12 became the draw. When it says, even in John 6, it says, no one come to the Father. No one come unless the Father draws him. Well, then John 12 says that he would, when he's lifted up, would draw all men to himself. Well, what happened in John chapter 20? And what I find fascinating is that word draw or drag, that word is used only like eight times. I think it's eight in the New Testament. And two of them is when they're dragging the fish, the same word when it says the Father would draw them. And then when Jesus lifted up, he'd draw them. He then does a happenstance of catching fish and dragging the net with all the fish, same word. And then what happens? They're drawn to him on a bank where they're eating fish with a guy that was dead three days before. Yeah. Oh, that's the draw. The guy was dead and now he's alive. You don't think that's the greatest draw in the history of draws? You're going to go check this out. You're like, wait a minute, we saw you die. We were fixed to have the funeral, and then we couldn't find you. And now we're eating fish with you. Okay, we're in. And so I think the reason I'm bringing that up, there's a lot of confusion about what that draw is. You know, some just, I think junk out there that thinks, oh, there's something else drawing you to God. This is why he came down and he came back from the dead. And guess what? There's a draw to that. We're drawn to the idea of living forever. So he uses all those instances, which is that number two thing, which is, did he do something king worthy? I think coming back from the dead means you're the king of all kings, because no other king can claim that they all die. And then someone takes over. No one's taken over for Jesus. He can't be killed. And so then the third thing is this actual, you know, ascension to the throne, which is, that's the setting here in Revelation 5, where it's like I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne. A scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. Which is why I brought up the Jeremiah 32, because there was two sides of this deed which the redemptive side of it and the inheritance side. I saw a mighty angel proclaiming a loud voice, well, here we go. Who is worthy to break the seals and open this scroll? And there's a lot about scrolls, like in Ezekiel 2, I think it's like 9 and 10 somewhere in there, which is using the same language. But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll and look inside. And then one of the elders said, do not weep. See the lion of Judah. The root of David has triumphed. Well, who's that talking about?
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That's talking about Jesus.
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He came as Israel's representative God in human form. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals. Then I saw a lamb looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. Now, a lot of scholars make a big deal about that because they're like, well, he wasn't sitting on it. But then I think that's where you get into this now. Not yet. Because only when you get to Revelation 22 is it saying, here's Jesus at the right hand of God, taking his position. And then you see the new heaven and the new earth. So I just wanted to throw that in there. But he had seven horns, seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the creatures and the elders fell down before the Lord. They had a harp, they had the prayer of the saints, and they sang a new song. Now listen to this new song. You are worthy to take the scroll, to open its seals, because you were slain. There's your redemption. And with your blood, you purged, purchased men for God and watch from where. From every tribe, language, people and nation, the whole earth. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God. And they reign on the earth now and later. So I just think that. Incredible. And it's a good point to see how kind of the Old Testament is predicting that.
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I think this is where I was trying to. I think this is why it matters how we respond to certain cultural issues. And look, what I'm going to say here. I know it's maybe provocative and may make some of you upset, but I think it's a core teaching of the Scripture. So I think we should look at it. That you can't get so angry at, quote, unquote, the opposition, that you don't. That you forget this fact that they are image bearers. They are like every human being is an image bearer, even in their most depraved state. Because you look at Genesis, chapter nine, and in the worst of the depravity, God's still like, don't murder your fellow brother, because they are image bearers. So people are image bearers. And God has an agenda. Particularly his agenda is he wants to draw the nations to himself. All of the nations. So that verse you just read, listen to what he says here. He says, worthy are you to take the scroll. This is Revelation, chapter five, that you just read. And to open Its seal for you were slain and by your blood you ransomed people for God. So there's. What people are we talking about? Is he talking about Israel, the nation of Israel? Well, listen, from every tribe, every tribe and language and people and nation. So who are the people that God ransomed? They're from every tribe, every language, every nation. God ransom all kinds of people. And you have made them collectively into a kingdom and a priest of God and they shall reign on the earth. So what's happening here? This is a nod back to Exodus 19, when God told Israel, I'm going to make you into a kingdom of priests. Well, that's what he was talking about the whole time, was that Israel was going to be expanded far beyond just the nation of Israel. Now we are all part of Israel. And so when you get to the end of the Bible at Revelation 22 that you mentioned, the final picture is not the nations sneering at each other. The final picture in Revelation 22 is not the nations revolting against each other. The final picture actually is that there will be a tree that is going to have these leaves on it that will be a healing balm for the nations, that the nations will come together. And so I don't ever want to lose that beauty, that beautiful picture and vision of what God is calling us into, because I'm so angry. Should we revolt against things that are sinful and ungodly and degrading our culture? Absolutely. Should we not participate in them? Absolutely. But you got to remember that man, we personally, I live in Asheville, very, very left leaning city. A lot of strong Wiccan culture here, a lot of Buddhist culture, New Age mystics. And we don't water the gospel down at our church. But I'm telling you, we have seen countless people come out of these places into the light of Christ. We've seen it, we've seen God move. God has continued to move over time. And so we can't let our outrage outweigh our heart to see people's lives transformed for the glory of God. That's the part that I think as we respond into these cultural moments. And there'll be more of these to come, right? They happen every two, three months. There's a big thing that everybody gets upset about. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have righteous indignation. What I am saying though is that our fight is not against flesh and blood, but it is against the principalities, the rulers, the authorities in the heavenly places. I mean, we are in a spiritual battle. So I Think to anchor this into the truth of what God's doing. I love that revelation passage because that's the. That I want to come before that lamb that you just read about that was slain.
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That's why. That's why the vision part of it is. You mentioned Jason was talking about the verses, talked about him being lifted up.
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Yeah.
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So the ideas is kind of a rising above is what you're describing, Zach. And that's kind of how I view these cultural things, you know. And by the way, earlier I mentioned the singer. His name was Lee Bryce. I looked him up and that song, he's saying it's not easy being country in. In this country these days. And one of the things Jayce, he said in the song, he's just talking about hunting and shooting deer and pickup trucks and, you know, country song. But then he says, I believe in a resurrected Jesus. And I don't think I've ever heard anybody in a country song say that before. And so I did think it was kind of interesting that instead of Bad Bunny, he was talking about Easter Bunny, about a resurrected Jesus, which I prefer. But I'm like you, Zach. I find myself kind of chuckling at the whole situation in kind of a rise above in does it really matter? You know, does it really matter?
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Well, that's what they should do. They have a. They should have a steel cage match with the Easter Bunny versus Bad Bunny. And my money is going.
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C
Could you throw Bugs money in there too? Maybe to. To be.
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Yeah, he can be the judge. But why, why. Why is this funny? I think this is. The Easter Bunny is coming back from the dead. Even if you kill it. Bad Bunny, guess what? He's going. He's LA of fire. But I wanted to make this connection.
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B
But he could re. He could come to Jesus. Bad Bunny could come to Jesus.
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Jesus.
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Look, keep this in mind. Keep this in mind. Kid Rock. I. I had a flashback in 1999 when he's. When he came on St. I was like, Kid Rock was not. I mean, it's like, what is going on here? It's like a fever dream. I'm like, I. Because I grew up in the late 90s. I mean, I was in college in the late 90s. And so I remember that MTV culture and like in that. That it was. It was interesting to see him back.
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Which is my point. Which is why you shouldn't be watching TV all the time. This is what.
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C
Look on the. Zach. On the halftime show in a. When Kid Rock was performing. Yeah, in a. In a picture. Did you see that he was on Rogan's podcast and Rogan said, so you really think this Jesus guys is. Was. Is real? I mean, was really there? He said, oh, I don't think it, I know it.
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Which, if you'd asked me in 1999 if you, if you said the Kid Rock's gonna say that, I'd have been like that since, no, that's not gonna happen. So he, that's my point.
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So he came to Christ is what you're saying.
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He came and look, was bold and then it was so funny because Rogan's like, man, I. I want it to be true. I don't necessarily believe he said, oh, do you want me to tell you some more about him? Because you need him, dude. I mean, it was, it just reminded me of. It was like dad was on Rogan. It was, it was Kid Rock and I'd never seen that before.
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B
Well, which, I mean, which men, according to what you read, Jace, which man is Christ drawn to himself?
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All men.
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All men. That's the call. I mean, it's all men.
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We're going to wind up in Romans at some point in this because I had an epiphany where I think we missed something when we went through Romans the first time that I noticed in first John. But I wanted to get this in because if you say, well, what does this all have to do? You go to revelation, and when people go to revelation, they tend to lose their minds.
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Yeah, we lived the commercial fisherman lifestyle.
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This random story in Jeremiah 32, which I thought was profound, I was glad it was brought to my attention because I do think it goes in with the creation story and us handing over what God gave us to something that wasn't God a created being. And he does rule over our world and you see it every day. But that's why Jesus came down. And this now not yet philosophy that we talk about so much, we house the Holy Spirit of God and that is the spiritual war that's going on. We're speaking truth to the celestial beings in hidden places that we can't see in the heavenly realms and on earth. But I just wanted to make the connection that, you know, when the book of Revelation starts off, he quotes in Revelation 1 because Revelation 1:5 is very profound. That's why this is a thing. It says that Christ, let me read that verse, is the ruler of the kings of the earth. Well, immediately when you read that, you say, well, it doesn't look like it. How is this so that's why I thought this was important. Revelation 1:4 and 5, it says grace and peace to you from him who is, who was and who is to come, and from the sevenfold Spirit before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. But we tend. Well, I thought the evil one was. You see my point?
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C
Yeah.
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And so when you. Well, I want to explain that. I want to explain that, though. So when you go back to Daniel and where does he quote Daniel 7? He quotes that in verse 7 of Revelation 1. Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be so. No. And then verse 13. So when he goes, when John goes to sleep, has the vision, he saw this vision in verse 13 is a quote from Daniel 7. And among the lampstands was someone like a son of man. So it has a little letter behind that, and you look and it says Daniel 7, 13. So you get where he's getting this imagery from. Because when you read Daniel 7, 13, and 14, it says, in my vision, now we're going back how many years? 4,000 years. Daniel has this vision and he sees these four kingdoms come on the earth, and most of them are named somewhere else, but the fourth one is not. But I would think most scholars that are worth their salt agrees that the fourth one is Rome. And when was Revelation written? When was this dream written down? Who was in charge of Rome? Yeah, it was in the days of Rome. So that's why I said, we're going to go to Romans at some point, because all this is making sense. So he has this vision thousands of years before Daniel, and he looks up and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven and coming or appearing. You know, the translation's tricky. He approached the ancient of days, the Father, and was led into his presence. He was given authority to glory, sovereign power, all peoples, nations, men of every language worshiped him. Well, this is sounding a lot like Revelation 5. And his dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Well, that is Revelation, chapter 5. But here's what I found significant. So when he starts going through the different kingdoms as they will manifest themselves through actual history, when he gets to the fourth kingdom, in verse verses 23 of chapter 7, he starts talking about that, talking about the ten horns and ten kings, and all this stuff is mentioned in Revelation, and it is a picture of Rome. But I wanted to read verse 26. But the court will sit and his power will be taken away. Talking about the fourth kingdom, which I'm asserting is Rome, and watch and completely be destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints. Well, I just read in Revelation 5 that we will be his kingdom and priests, and we will reign on the Earth, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him. This is the end of the matter. And wouldn't you know it, that history has played this out with Jesus, resurrection, and people surrendering to him and all the other earthly entities that come on to take on the kingdom of God, even if they die. It's just like the bad bunny versus the Easter bunny. The Easter Bunny comes back.
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Just think about that. Just think about what. What you just said. I mean, this is challenging for the church right now because we trade in our movement. We trade on fear. We trade on outrage. And we trade. And what's the fear and the outrage is that there is a threat, an existential threat to the people of God that we have to come again. But if you understand what you just read and what you just clearly articulated from the scripture, there is no threat. I mean, just think about how that changes the dynamic when you understand the kingdom in this way. There is no threat that can come again, come against God. You referenced Daniel 7 that says the kingdom can't be shaken or destroyed. It's also in the book of Hebrews. Right, Even. And this idea of dominion like. Like Christ has been given all dominion and authority. Christ has all dominion and authority.
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That.
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That ancient of days like this is not something. The kingdom has been inaugurated. That's the. The Hebrews 2 passage, too, and the Psalm 8.
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Let me.
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Zach, let me read a passage to cap this, because we're almost out of time. What you just said, which I love. And this is from 2nd Corinthians 4, verse 3. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The God of this age. Who's that? The evil one, has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. But we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your servants, for Jesus sake. For God who said, let light shine out of darkness, made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. And then he says, down in 16, therefore, do not lose heart. That's your point, Zach. Do not lose heart. Don't. Don't trade on anger. Though outwardly we are wasting away, inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary. What is unseen is eternal.
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So let me finish the fight. So, ding. Bad Bunny runs out, but he sees the Easter Bunny looking like it's already been slain. And he's like, well, what happened? The fight's over. Well, then he. He's like, no, he's dead. And then he comes back and he's like, yeah, I did that for you. Forget the fight. You need to come follow me and let's fight the real one.
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B
Because he's sitting there looking at the dead bunny.
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A
That's right. That's right.
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B
And then all of a sudden, he.
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Comes back, and guess what?
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Then you kill me. But I didn't die for long.
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And you know what? Bad Bunny did? Does. Does. Then he takes. He takes a knee.
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I mean, come on. If you can't get fired up and know the truth of Philippians 2, this is. This is my hope. Every knee will bow where on earth? Under the earth, above the earth? Every single knee will bow. And every tongue of every language of every nation in any realm. We'll confess one thing that Jesus Christ is Lord.
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There you go. The. The Unashamed Nation take. We're going with the Easter Bunny. So there you go. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode out.