Ep 1267 | Jase Takes His Life Into His Hands to Make Missy Happy & Why Media Spin Is So Ridiculous

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1267 | Jase Takes His Life Into His Hands to Make Missy Happy & Why Media Spin Is So Ridiculous
Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Al, Jase (Jason), Zach
Special appearance/contact: Lisa (referenced), "Little man" (Jase’s son), Missy (Jase’s wife), guest actors and family members

Overview

In this episode, the Robertson family dives into personal stories about faith, family, and the unexpected adventures of everyday life. The cast discusses the surreal experience of seeing their lives portrayed in a new Lifetime movie, Jase's hazardous efforts to make Missy happy by cleaning up their storm-battered backyard for a dinosaur-themed party, and the chaos and insight brought by media misreporting of their tales. The latter half develops into a robust, scripture-rooted conversation about the power of faith, fellowship, the nature of "anointing," and how believers abide in Christ, using 1 John and other scriptures as a foundation.

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Table of Contents

1. Portrayals in the Media and Lifetime Movie (00:06–08:36)
2. Jase’s Backyard Adventure: Dino Party & Family Life (08:36–22:40)
3. Media Spin and Setting the Record Straight (13:31–16:38)
4. Dinosaur Birthday Party Reflections (18:32–22:40)
5. Sermon to Scripture: Fellowship, Faithfulness & Antichrist (24:01–55:31)
6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
7. Episode Highlights by Timestamp

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Portrayals in the Media and Lifetime Movie (00:06–08:36)

• Al shares surreal experience: Al and Lisa are being portrayed by younger actors in a Lifetime movie currently being filmed. The cast members had extensive calls with the actors playing them to provide insight into their personalities and faith.
  • “He’s an actor. So I asked him, I said, ‘Have you ever played a person who is… living, that you could have this conversation with?’ And he said, ‘No.’” – Al (00:13)
• Faith as the foundation: Al is encouraged the actor playing him is a believer, and the overall project focus is portraying the power of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus.
• Hesitations & hopes: The family, though hesitant, is hopeful that God will be glorified through the telling of their story in mainstream media.
  • “It feels like a God thing, this project, and it certainly has been from our standpoint to begin with, because the whole thing is about the power of forgiveness.” – Al (06:17)
• Going mainstream: Zach notes the significance of a mainstream network (Lifetime) wanting to pursue their faith-centered story without watering down its Christian message.

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Jase’s Backyard Adventure: Dino Party & Family Life (08:36–22:40)

• Dino party, ice storm cleanup: Jase narrates his hazardous effort to clear storm debris and trim trees before his son’s dinosaur-themed fourth birthday party, against Missy’s wishes to hire a professional.
  • “I lassoed all those limbs from 30 foot high… sometimes it took 30, 40 attempts.” – Jase (12:41)
• Redneck approach: The guys poke fun at Jase's unorthodox, "redneck" methods for tree removal.
• Family teamwork: Little man and Missy both participate in preparations, with Little man motivated to help in exchange for coins.
  • “That boy… boy, did he perk up and just was following around like a puppy dog…” – Jase (21:35)
• Return to basics: The Robertson household, without technology post-ice storm, spends quality time outdoors, doing chores, and enjoying each other’s company.

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Media Spin and Setting the Record Straight (13:31–16:38)

• Exaggerations in the media: Jase and the crew discuss frequent exaggeration and misattribution in news reports about them, sharing examples where things like minor injuries or quotes got twisted or credited to the wrong person.
  • “Somebody sent an article: it’s like, ‘Jase cuts his leg off, he’s in the hospital’… I nicked my leg, which I did, I have the scars to prove it. There was no leg coming off.” – Jase (14:03)
• Embellishment for entertainment: The show’s stories are already told colorfully for entertainment's sake, but media adds a second layer of embellishment.
  • “Double embellishment.” – Zach (14:01)
• Clarifying old stories: Jase sets the record straight on old tales (like the “plane with the red button and parachute”).

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Dinosaur Birthday Party Reflections (18:32–22:40)

• Party chaos: Despite elaborate decorations and dinosaur blow-ups, the main entertainment for the kids is destroying the inflatable dinosaurs, which predictably ends in tears and chaos.
• Favorite gift: Ironically, of all the gifts and party efforts, Little man cherishes a simple greeting card that plays music, using it to serenade even the family dogs.
  • “That card was like the greatest [gift].” – Jase (21:03)
• Family joys: Jase reflects on the value of unplugged, simple family moments over expensive celebrations or big events.
  • “It was the first Super Bowl I missed. But I think I came out on the winning end of this thing.” – Jase (22:38)

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Sermon to Scripture: Fellowship, Faithfulness & Antichrist (24:01–55:31)

Outlining 1 John: Faith, Fellowship, Forgiveness (24:01–29:41)

• Al’s three-point outline: Al describes his preacher-style breakdown: faith (in the life), fellowship (in the light), forgiveness (in the Lord).
  • “Eternal life has already begun. That happens when you’re reborn. Right?” – Al (25:35)
• Jase’s skepticism & affirmation: Jase playfully pokes at Al’s alliterative approach but admits the points resonate upon reflection.
• Faith as relationship: Fellowship is explored as deep, ongoing relationship with both God and the faith community.

Antichrist, Anointing, and Abiding (27:52–43:07)

• Defining ‘Antichrist’: The group analyzes 1 John’s teaching on antichrist/anti-Messiah, not as a distant end-times figure but as anyone denying Christ’s divinity and work.
  • “To be an antichrist… is to be anti the way of Christ, anti the way of the Messiah, which was the cruciform life…” – Zach (31:36)
• Fellowship vs. division: Zach expounds on the divide between those who abide—experience deep relationship— and those who reject Christ’s way and cause division.
• Anointing and abiding: The Greek concepts of charisma (anointing) and menō (abiding) are central to 1 John’s understanding of faith and Christian life.
  • “You have an anointing from the Holy One… you have the Holy Spirit. And this same anointing was… that very thing happened to Jesus…” – Jase (38:15)

Abiding in Christ: Faithfulness, Not Just Confession (43:07–55:31)

• Faithfulness, not just belief: The hosts stress that abiding in Christ and confessing Him are more than verbal assent or correct belief—they are about living in ongoing, faithful relationship.
  • “This isn’t a magic password… the promise here is… about being in relation with…” – Zach (43:41)
  • “You have this anointing. I’ve moved into your body, in your thoughts, and I know everything. I’m not going anywhere.” – Jase (54:13)
• God’s ultimate faithfulness: The faithfulness of God—more than human faith or effort—is the foundation of salvation, fellowship, and forgiveness.
  • “Ultimately, it’s showing his faithfulness.” – Jase (49:33)
• Personal relationship analogies: Zach compares abiding in the Spirit to knowing his wife intuitively after decades together, emphasizing the intimacy of the Spirit’s interaction with believers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I lassoed all those limbs from 30 foot high… sometimes it took 30, 40 attempts.” — Jase (12:41)
• “They’re already embellished for entertainment purposes.” — Jase (13:57)
• “We got capitalism today… we’ll get baptism later.” — Jase (21:29)
• “The card that plays a song, that was the number one gift.” — Jase (21:12)
• “Eternal life has already begun. That happens when you’re reborn. Right?” — Al (25:35)
• “To be an antichrist… is to be anti the way of Christ, anti the way of the Messiah, which was the cruciform life…” — Zach (31:36)
• “This isn’t a magic password… it’s about being in relation with…” — Zach (43:41)
• “He just became a relentless pursuer of humanity and the family of God.” — Jase (54:29)

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Episode Highlights by Timestamp

00:06–08:36

• Al discusses the Lifetime movie about the Robertsons.
• Reflection on the impact and hope for the film’s faith message.

08:36–13:31

• Jase recounts prepping for Little man’s dino-themed birthday party.
• Jase’s DIY, “redneck” storm clean-up strategies.

13:31–16:38

• How media embellishes and misquotes their stories.
• Jase clarifies the reality behind some rumors and tall tales.

18:32–22:40

• Chaos and reflections from the birthday party.
• The importance of simple gifts and unplugged time with family.

24:01–29:41

• Al’s “faith, fellowship, forgiveness” outline for 1 John.
• Exploring what “eternal life” means now.

27:52–33:39

• Defining ‘Antichrist’ as anyone opposed to Christ’s way and message.
• ‘Abiding’ in fellowship vs. division.

43:07–55:31

• ‘Abiding’ is likened to intimate, ongoing relationship, not mere verbal affirmation.
• Christ’s faithfulness as the source of Christian hope and life.
• Romans discussion and tying together the message that God's faithfulness is the foundation for fellowship and salvation.

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Summary

This episode blends hilariously relatable Robertson family stories—Jase’s risky tree-limbing heroics and a backyard birthday gone prehistoric—with a thoughtful, scripture-centered discussion on what it means to truly live out the Christian faith in relationship with God. The crew stresses the importance of faith as fidelity, not just belief; the reality of abiding in Christ; and rejecting divisive, “antichrist” attitudes. Their down-to-earth stories and candor—along with their deep biblical insights—provide both encouragement and challenge for listeners looking to walk out authentic, unashamed faith.

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Transcript

[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Al]

Welcome back to Unashamed. I had a very surreal conversation, Jace, on this weekend. I had a call, and Lisa had the call at the same time. So I'm down here in the podcast studio, and Lisa's upstairs, and we're having a conversation with two young people, half. Half our age, in their early 30s, that are playing us in a Lifetime movie that's being filmed as we speak. The filming started today, and so they're, you know, they're wanting to get to know you. They got all these questions to ask because they're playing a younger version of us. And I told the. The young man, this playing me, because we talked for two hours, and it was. It was a. I felt like I was in one of those. What do you call them, the hearings on Congress, you know, when I was. I mean, it was a grilling of questions because, you know, he's trying to get inside of my mind. He's an actor. And so I asked him, I said, have you ever played a person who is. Who was living that you could have this conversation with? And he said, no.

[Jason]

He'd only played dead people.

[Al]

He had played some people, real people that had died, and then he played a lot of fake people that weren't real people, but he had never played a person who's actually still around. And we'll be watching him play me. It was very surreal.

[Jason]

This is getting weird.

[Al]

It was very weird to do it and look through the conversation. Of course, I learned a lot about the young man. He's a believer in Jesus, which, you know, that was. That made me feel good. And he told me a lot about his life. And he's been an actor since he was a kid, you know, now he's like 30. Told me a lot about relationships. And so, you know, I learned a lot about him in the process of me talking so much about me, but it was really amazing. But I told him, I said, well, you're the third actor that I've talked to that's played me one. The first one was the musical. And, Jason, you had someone play you as well. I don't know if you. Yeah, you did. I don't know if you had a conversation with my guy. Was. There were. They were all from New York and they were like, singers.

[Jason]

And, you know, that was. Oh, you're going back a few years here. I. I don't remember things, you know, as well.

[Al]

Well, then you also took that out of his memory. I know.

[Jason]

Well, I remember they all got together and sang the musical, like, acapella at somebody's house. Yeah, that was awesome. I was like, great. You don't. If you. Because there's nowhere to hide.

[Al]

So you don't remember the guy that played you? You don't remember meeting him?

[Jason]

I don't remember. I think I went to it. I'm not a musical guy. I mean. But I did marry a musical woman.

[Al]

Which you did.

[Jason]

Awesome. And I love it. I love what she's passed on to our kids. And I mean, even little man, they. She can sing because he's missing her blue skies and rainbows.

[Al]

And, you know, with the. And the second actor, you and I had young children who played us in the blind. And. And my little kid was 10, so he was a little bit older. And so we had a zoom call with him. But, you know, he's 10 years old. It's like me talking to my grandson.

[Jason]

Well, I did meet the kid who played me on that, because he just came up to me one day. I wanted to take a picture. I think we were maybe at church. And because he said, I'm playing you on the blind, I was like. And he's like, do you have any pointers? And I was like, well, what age are you portraying me as? I forgot what it was. It was less than 10.

[Al]

It's like 5 years old.

[Jason]

I said, never open your mouth.

[Al]

And he never did, did he?

[Jason]

I don't remember.

[Al]

I don't think. I mean, he may have said something, though, on that. That big scene that you ment about going out to see dad. He may have said something there, but he just looked scared, which is a lot like what you did.

[Jason]

Well, my dad jokingly said one time that as I spoke, as soon as I came out of my mom's womb, the first thing I did, I looked around and said, I don't know about this. That was a joke. But then he said, I never said another word till I was like 10 or 12.

[Al]

That was his quote.

[Jason]

And I.

[Al]

And then. But then you left out the last one. He said. He said, now we can't shut him up. Al. That was the last thing.

[Zach]

Do you feel like you were like, all that was pent up and that's why now you could just. Because you're a guy, honestly. And I. I respect it. Like, the last podcast, like, you sat down and legitimately, I believe you. I don't think you had a clue what we were talking about, and. And yet you just started to go. And it was a lot of words, but it was also like, there was A brilliance to us. I'm. This is a back ending compliment, but it is a compliment nonetheless because, I mean, you got some. You're a wordsmith.

[Jason]

Well, you brought up a guy that was nicknamed Bad Bunny. And I'm like, The fact that I didn't know the context, I think helped me because I thought rabbit holes for Jesus. The Easter Bunny. Bugs Bunny. We have a bad Bunny. Well, he needs Jesus. So I just created a narrative where.

[Zach]

That worked, but I didn't know who it was either, to be honest with you. I can't keep up anymore. Like, if you look at the top of the charts and you just go down the list of whoever's the number one singer, I'm like, I don't even know who these people are.

[Jason]

Well, see, I didn't know anybody was me. And you have a. We have a chasm in the way we run life because I wouldn't know where to go find the charts.

[Al]

I'm not interested.

[Jason]

I could care less.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

You know, I don't know who's on.

[Al]

Top of the charts, so. So, Zach, back to, Back to my original thought. I. I have you to thank and others for making this project happen. And it's the thing. I'm most excited about it, especially after the. I feel really. You know, because you're always unsure. I mean, we, we were unsure about the blind. We didn't. How's it going to go? What's it going to look like? But after those conversations that Lisa and I had with the actors playing us and just the personal nature, stuff they shared with us about stuff from their own lives and their, their families, it feels like a God thing, this project, and it certainly has been from our standpoint to begin with, because the whole thing is about the power of forgiveness.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Al]

And what that does in, in relationships and people and lives being changed and, you know, Lisa and I share our story all around the country, but, you know, to, to have it made into a film and to watch it and to have people playing you during some of the worst times in your lives. Lisa and I definitely feel a lot like mom and dad did. You know, hesitant, you know, a little fearful, but at the same time knowing that God is going to get some glory and people will be helped. That's the whole point.

[Zach]

Well, I mean, honestly, to think about the fact that this is a Lifetime movie and they were like, yeah, we want to, we want you guys to tell this story. I said, well, you realize that this is going to be straight on faith, because that's, I mean, that is the story is that they were redeemed through Jesus. I mean, you. Yeah, go for it. So it is kind of fun to think about, too, that we're. We're going into, you know, mainstream media with some of these projects and telling a difficult story, which I know you guys have been telling it for years. It's just harder, like, to go through some of the. To relive some of that story when you're telling in this format. So. But I think we're. I think it's going to be beautiful. Cole's on the scene right now in an undisclosed location. So we're here. We're getting it done.

[Al]

Yeah, we're. It's a lot shorter process for a television movie than a theatrical movie like you did Zach with the Blind. And so it's going to be pretty short, hopefully a pretty quick turnaround. Lisa and I are going to try to get to the set and meet everybody involved and see how the. The sausage is made. So we're excited about it. I just. I want to mention it so that you guys out in Unashamed Nation not only will look for it and we'll let you know about all that, but also pray for it, because my first thought today when they sent me a picture from the shoot was may God be glorified in the process of making it and also releasing it. So it's exciting.

[Jason]

Well, I had an interesting weekend. I've already told you on the last podcast, we didn't get ready for the Supo. We had our own party, which was Little man, he was turning 4. And so we just got.

[Al]

Which is hard to believe already, we.

[Jason]

Just got hit by an ice storm. So it's like. And I know Missy, she was, like, going to go all out for this party because it had a dinosaur theme, because that's what he's into. So I had one job, which was to make our backyard, because she checked the weather, and she's like, look, 75 degrees on. On Sunday. And he, you know, wants to go outside. Dinosaurs. I'll create. She was like, I'll create the dinosaur kind of theme on our back deck. The problem was it's about 2 foot deep, full of pine limbs. And I had a. What's that bush called? Is it a crepe myrtle or crepe myrtle?

[Zach]

Crape myrtle.

[Jason]

Crape myrtle tree. That was very mature. I'd say 30 foot tall, had multiple little trees coming out of the center, all of them, but maybe two or three were broken. And they're hanging, like, over the backyard. And I'm like, the worst thing that can happen is to be having a birthday party and, you know, a tree fall on somebody. So I'm gonna have to get this. Although.

[Al]

Although it did kind of have a Jurassic World sound.

[Jason]

Well, that's where. That's where I'm going with this, Al. And I had two trees on my little pool house behind my house. So I'm like, okay, I got one job. I gotta just clean this one. The deck and the. And it's not very big, but it was just debris. And so I had an idea.

[Al]

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[Jason]

And I think I did this when I was a kid, but because Missy's like, well, how are you going to get all that down? We need to call a professional. I was like, here we go again. I was like, babe, let me just think about this. So what I wound up doing is lassoing the trees with a rope. I had me about a. Why do y' all think this is funny? Do you know that I lassoed every.

[Al]

One of those and so redneck sounding approach I've ever heard.

[Jason]

I had to cut two because they were hanging on another one. But I lassoed all those limbs from 30 foot high. I threw the rope, which my right arm's actually sore from doing this because sometimes it took 30, 40 attempts. And I actually lassoed the ones, you know, that were on the little house. The only one I couldn't get was there was one right on the top of the house. And I thought a big wind, it could roll off. So I borrowed my neighbor's ladder, climbed up here. This was funny. So I get up there, I'm on, and it has a pretty steep incline to it. So I'm up there hanging on for dear life because the last time I was on a roof, I fell off of it while hanging Christmas lights, which was the last time I ever did that.

[Al]

And that sounds like Clark Griswold.

[Jason]

Oh, it was Clark Griswold. So. And I got to be careful what we did the ice storm episode. And, you know, I told the day that we lost the truck and lost Margo and had the young man experience hypothermia, where everybody started sending me messages. Of course I get them all at one time because my phone's not working three quarters of the time. And they're. They're like embellishing all these stories that. That I told, which I know.

[Al]

Which are already embellished.

[Jason]

They're already embellished for entertainment purposes.

[Zach]

A double embellishment.

[Jason]

But they're like, oh, look, no, somebody sent an article. It's like, Jace cuts his leg off. He's in the hospital. You know, I nicked my leg, which I did. I have the scars to prove it. There was no leg coming off and all that.

[Zach]

But let me. I read an article. I do want to say I felt vindicated because in the last article that came out about discussion we had that made kind of the big. Some of the big newspapers, you got credit for saying stuff that I said. In this one, I actually got credit for a whole, like, thing that he said. And it wasn't me. Jay said it, but they gave me credit for it. So I was like, okay, it's about that.

[Jason]

Enjoy, enjoy. So what I was going to say. Oh, and the other thing I have to make, set the record straight on when I told about the plane with the red button and the parachute. Remember the hot rod?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Well, now, this wasn't my fault. The pilot said, we've had this parachute launch twice and everyone was safe. What he didn't say, because my assistant took up for me. She was like, that's not your fault. Because when the episode come out, he emailed my assistant and said, no, that that parachute has been pulled for all. All planes in the history of this plane. Not this specific plane. And she said, well, you didn't clarify that because we were both under the impression. So it was actually not his plane where they issued the parachute, but he gave that impression. So I'm not apologizing for that. But. So anyway, I'm up on.

[Al]

Which I guess if you think about that, it couldn't have been because if they had jettisoned out of there, that plane would have crashed anyways. That had been the end of that. So I guess now that. Now that I think about saying that it couldn't have been that blade.

[Jason]

Well, I don't know. I just. That's what he said. So I'm up on the roof and all of a sudden Little man comes out. Well, he sees me in a vulnerable position and he's like. He goes into like, I'm going to be your father mode instead of Little Man. He's like, j Rock. That's what he called me. J Rock, come down off that roof right now. That is very dangerous. You're going to fall and hur yourself. We laugh.

[Al]

How many times has he heard that about himself? That's what he did.

[Jason]

Go get Lulu to get her to hold the ladder. Because I was trying to get off and I, you know, you can't see the ladder. And so she had to hold the ladder, but I got down and no, no injuries happened. It was hilarious. But so since we don't have any kind of devices or screens, which has been great for Little man because it was all just outdoor activity, I thought, this is. We've gone back like a hundred years in my lifestyle the past three weeks. Because we just. We're doing the basics here. We're out cutting trees, we're building fires, we're kicking on the stove, we're singing songs. There's there because there's no technology whatsoever that can be.

[Al]

So, Jace, I gotta tell you this to hold your thought, but this is. There was one of my favorite ad. You know, super bowl ads are a big deal because, you know, it's a lot. Of course, now they release a lot of them early, so it's not a big deal as it used to be. But one of my favorite ads is actually encompassing everything that you're going through or went through on Super Bowl Sunday. The setup was. It was Jurassic World or Park, the original film. And they had the original actors back on there, the main three, the man, the. The two scientists and the woman. And when they're showing these scenes and when it gets to the point where everything's starting to break down and the dinosaurs are going to get out, there's an Xfinity guy there. He says, oh, here's the problem right here. And he just plugs it back in. And the Internet starts working again. And so then all the doors stay shut. And so then they. They do this whole thing where all the actors and they're just like having fun in the park and they're just like taking pictures with dinosaurs. It's like all it took was an Xfinity guy to fix the Internet. And that was the end of the whole movie re redone. But they had the original. I thought that was very clever. But it. But you were in Jurassic World without Internet.

[Jason]

Oh, I know.

[Al]

That was the.

[Jason]

I was going to tell you. So there's nothing to do. So Missy's like, she tells little man. She's like, if you go help JRock pick up the sticks. And when I'm saying picking up sticks, it's two to four foot deep everywhere. It just. I couldn't even get it all done. I got 3/4 of it and everything else was on the edge. And I basically. All the bushes that I cut, I just throw them over the fence. Like my far backyard just looks like a disaster zone. It looks like a bomb went off. But she said, if you go help him pick up the sticks, I'll give you some money. That boy. Somebody's told him about money because, boy, did he perk up and just was following around like a puppy dog, you know. And it made me think of that, that quote, Phil said the owner isms that he follows is capitalism and baptism. After all day of doing this, which he seemed to enjoy, you know, Missy gave him a dollar worth of various coins, you know, that added up to a dollar. And I didn't know that one of the gifts she got him was a piggy bank. So then when he got the gift, then he put the money, because he carried it around in what he called a treasure box or whatever. And I was like, well, we got capitalism today, babe. We'll get baptism later. In his mind, which was great. So anyway, when the party hit, I mean, Missy out of these blow up dinosaurs, they were like life size. And I thought, Mrs. Great, it was all decorated. Well, all these kids, the. The only game they were interested in playing was destroying Those dinosaurs blow ups. Which I thought, this is not going to go well because they just started running wide open, jumping off the deck, jumping on the dinosaurs. And I thought, this is going to end with a lot of tears, which is what happened because they, they just lost their minds over battling the dinosaur. And then they all cried, they all got in trouble. And then we had to go in and sing Happy Birthday. What I found funny is all, I mean, because she just went all out and he gets all these gifts. There's all the pictures with the life size looking dinosaurs and all this kind of stuff. You know, the one thing that he carried around for the next, because we had him all day, next day he carried around, someone gave him a card. And actually it was the showrunner from our duck family treasure, Jenna and her husband. They gave him a card and it was a dinosaur card. But when you open it up, it played the tune of Happy Birthday. Na na na na na na na na na na na. It was this, that. That card was like the greatest. After all the dust settled. And I thought, see, this is why you don't spend a bunch of money on birthday parties. The card that plays a song, that was the number one gift to a point where he took it in to the my two little dogs and he play, kept playing it and finally I was like, why are you playing that to the dogs? And he said, well, it might be one of them's birthday and I don't want him to miss out. So he was singing Happy Birthday to the dog, which I thought was. Was very nice and unselfish to be doing. So anyway, it was, I guess, yeah, Missy sent some.

[Al]

She sent us a picture this morning of the little man and he's wearing a shirt that I guess Lisa sent him. And I don't know that she knew that y' all were having a dino theme or it just was happenstance. But it's a shirt she gave him for his birthday, has name on the back, but a dinosaur on the front.

[Jason]

Yeah, it says Dino 4. Yeah, yeah. No, it was fun, but I mean, look, I love that little boy. And I think this lack of technology and looking back on it was the first Super Bowl I missed. But I think, I think I came out on the winning end of this thing.

[Al]

Yeah, I think you did too.

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[Al]

Y' all ready to talk a little First John?

[Jason]

First John? Yeah, I would love to, because I think if you take out all the nonsensical things we've talked about, which would take a while, there's some really good nuggets of First John that are coming together. Al and I kind of had an epiphany because you started off this first section talking about faith, which I wanted to ask you. Why you put that. Just do your little outline because I didn't pay much attention to it until right now. You had a.

[Zach]

But it was great, Al.

[Al]

You did a great job. You have to understand out of Shame Nation, this is how my work is received by my cohorts.

[Jason]

Well, I don't. Because you make it all. You know, it's the preacher coming out in you where you have the three points and they all start with the same letter. And when I hear that, my eyes glaze over and I think, oh. Because I'm thinking, how could it really be that tight and make that much sense? But after thinking about it, I thought.

[Al]

Ooh, ooh, it struck. Sometimes it takes a while to get.

[Jason]

Through, go through it again.

[Al]

So, yeah, here's the outline I have so far of what we've done. In the opening, I had the faith fellowship and forgiveness were my three things out of this first chapter in First John because From my view of it, it was faith in the life, which was this. This idea of eternal life, which we talk about so much, but we kind of in the past, always in me, I'm talking about me, but I think I can speak for all of us to say we were going to wait for eternal life. Eternal life has already begun. I mean, that happens when you're reborn, Right?

[Jason]

So you had faith and then you have fellowship.

[Al]

And fellowship was in the light, so that.

[Jason]

Well, we got the fellowship because, look, fellowship is in first John 1:4, but we're having fellowship with the Father and the Son.

[Al]

Yeah. And the reason I chose the word faith days was on that first one is because he reminds his readers about what they believe in. And he does it from his standpoint that he, you know, he's like, what we've seen, what we've heard, what we've touched. And so, you know, he's trying to instill in him the idea that what you believed in from the beginning is worth it and look and be reminded. We lived it with him because the whole thing is about Jesus.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

So there was faith in the life, fellowship in the light, and then forgiveness in the Lord of Lords, which that's there.

[Jason]

But here's. I want to take the faith one and turn it on its head a little bit.

[Zach]

All right.

[Jason]

All right. If I can. Y' all just indulge me. So. And here's why I came up with this. So when we get to 1 John 2:28, it was a moment because we talked about the Antichrist and what that meant and kind of this order within the anti Jesus with just false teachers. And they were trying. He said, I write these things in verse chapter 2 and verse 26 to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. And so that's in the context of the Antichrist. There are people who are threatened, who don't want to bend the knee to Jesus, who will threaten those who have surrendered to Jesus to try to lead them astray. And the number one thing that he seems to point out is they're denying. Because basically, if you're an anti Jesus, you deny that Jesus was God in human form, which is kind of.

[Al]

Let me enter. Let me interject one thought in there, Jason, while you're talking about that, because this weekend I read a section from N.T. wright about this, and he made a really good point that I think kind of helps us understand because we spent a whole podcast talking about this concept of Antichrist, which took us to man of lawlessness in the Thessalonian letter. And, you know, you get all these, like, crazy ideas about this, which I.

[Jason]

Went there just because most people go there, even though it doesn't say Antichrist. I was trying to make a point about that.

[Al]

Well, he. He made this point that we didn't make. And he said if you. The Antichrist is, you know, the Greek word for that, but if you use the Hebrew word, it's anti Messiah.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

Because that's what Christ means. And so he said, you know, when you say anti Messiah, it has a different connotation to it to people, and it really puts it better in the context of the first century into what exactly John was dealing with at that moment. You know, in those days, the political and the religious were all rolled into one. You had a bunch of people claim to be Messiah.

[Jason]

Well, right, but. And what does Messiah mean? The anointed One. Which is why he said in verse 20, but you have an anointing from the Holy One. All of you know the truth. That's actually where we left off because he said, I do not need to write you verse 21 because you don't know the truth. But because you do know it, and because no lie comes from the truth, you remember, it's impossible for Jesus to lie or die.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And then it says, who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah, the anointed one. And we are anointed.

[Zach]

I think when you think about this context, too, this whole thing is about relationship. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, fellowship with one another. And so when you think about the opposite of fellowship, the word that pops in my mind is division. If I'm. If I'm in fellowship with, then we're like. We're together. We're, you know, like we at our church, we had a thing called the fellowship hall. And the fellowship hall was where when you were out of service, if you had, like, dinner on the grounds or food or what, everybody would go there. And this means that's where you talk to, where you hang out, where you eat meals together. Like three. We're all. We're all together here. And the opposite of that just is just to be divided. And so even, like, this whole idea, like, I'm giving you a new commandment, love your brother. If you don't love your brother, you can't love God. And so this is so key for where we're at culturally right now, because like we talked in the last podcast of how divided our culture is. Right now, God's people really do have to stand in the gap. I don't know anybody that I've drawn or the Christ has drawn in through, through me, into his kingdom, into relationship with him, by me. Just blasting them now. Hard conversations. Yes. Crucial conversations. Yes. Do we have to tell the truth on things that can make people really uncomfortable? Yes. And we do not. The truth does not compromise. We're not talking about some seeker friendly tipping around the daisies. No. But it is a spirit of love. And so to be an antichrist or anti Messiah is to be anti the way of Christ, anti the way of the Messiah, which was the cruciform life, the life that says, I'm walking to the cross myself. Nobody takes my life. I give my life, I give my flesh for the life of the world. That's what we embody. We actually embody the spirit of Christ. To be Christ filled is to embody his Spirit. To be Antichrist is to reject that. And the result of it, the fruit of that one is fellowship, is the fruit of life in Christ, division and hatred. Hatred of your brother is the fruit of an antichrist spirit.

[Al]

Well, and remember in the first century, again, he says in verse 22 of chapter 2, who's the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man as the Antichrist, he denies the Father and the Son. So to your point, Zach, when you deny Jesus Yeshua of his day, that he was from God and is God, then you can't have a relationship with Yahweh either. Yeah, you know, they come together because that's, they're, they are together. And so the, the main message in the Book of John that we kept going back to is I and the Father are one, and this Holy Spirit I will send you. So you can't reject part of the Godhead and be right with the other parts of the Godhead. It's not going to work.

[Zach]

And they reject him primarily, I think particularly the first century is because they, they didn't like his way. They're like, no, that's not how we're going to do this. This is about power. And Jesus said, yeah, I know it's about power, but you don't understand what power is. Oh, we understand what power is. We're going to run the show. We're going to have the conquest, we're going to be in charge. And Jesus, that's not how the kingdom works though. And they're like, they didn't have ears to hear that. Pilate, the Roman Empire, didn't have ears to hear it. The Israel didn't have ears to hear it. It was only those who were born of the Spirit who have ears to hear and eyes to see the things of the Spirit, which is the cruciform life. It really is like this incredible, incredible picture. And that's why when you see this through the lens of eschatology, and what I mean by that is you see this through the lens of God's end time purpose, that you're like, wait, what is he trying to do here? Jay says it best. He's trying to get his family back. What's the Bible exactly? It's a story of how God gets his family back. Family? Yeah, they fellowship.

[Jason]

Who?

[Zach]

The nations. Who are the nations? Everybody. All the people. All different kinds of people. All of them coming back together. That is just rich in this text. And you see it because it's written in a relational format.

[Al]

Do you remember what Pilate told Jesus? He said, do you not realize that I have the power to save you? And you remember what Jesus said? You don't have any power except what's been given. You know, I mean he. That was just a straight up conversation.

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[Jason]

I want to read a couple things. Just because there are a lot of questions about the Antichrist and what's it mean in verse 20 where he says, but you have an anointing from the Holy One. And the verse in verse 20 that says, and all of you know the truth. Well, there's a little letter there and it says, or you know all things. The reason they don't like that translation, literally, is because you're like, well, how do we know all things? So if you go back and read when Jesus predicted and told his disciples, I'm going to give you the Holy Spirit. This makes a little more sense. And so I wanted to read where he predicted that before I get back to this. Always talking about faith. So in John 14, when he this is before he's died, been buried and raised, Obviously in verse 25, it says all this, I have spoken while still with you, but the counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things, because you're in fellowship with a being that knows everything and you have this inside of you. So it's there. Now, that doesn't mean you're going to understand all these things, but it's there. And because it gets back to this same problem, John makes so many profound statements in First John that we're like, well, I can. It's like the verse that says, you know, if you continue to live in me, you won't sin. We're like, well, I'm out. Well, I have the Holy Spirit, so I know all things. Well, I'm out on that. So I think the problem, I figured out the problem. And we're not going to have enough time during this podcast to sort that out. But I'm going to get there. But I just wanted to give you the building blocks of where he said this before. And now John is now, a few years later, echoing these same things in your practical life. He's like, look, these people are leading you astray. But don't you realize you have an anointing from the Holy One? You have the Holy Spirit. And this same anointing was. That very thing happened to Jesus, you say, because remember the little deal we did about anointing? How is a king formed? And I went through three little things. You have to have some kind of declaration, which in their case was anointing with oil or. Or something like that. Then you have to do some great task, which we said, you know, Jesus, the resurrection, pretty well pulled that off. And then you have to ascend to a throne. But when you look at the life of Jesus, well, when was he anointed? There was no oil. There's never. Now, you could make a case where the woman took the jar of oil, you know, before. But that's not. That was kind of a declaration of worship. And I would say, because when the Holy Spirit is discussed as coming from heaven, it's usually poured out. Think Acts 2. The Holy Spirit was poured out.

[Zach]

I would say his baptism.

[Jason]

Exactly. That's the right answer, because the Holy Spirit descended on him like a dove. And what kind of picture does that give you? Well, you remember in the first creation, because there's a first creation, and then Jesus introduced a new creation. What happened to humans? The Holy Spirit was. The earth was formless and empty, and the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters. Then the waters are organized and ordered, and the creation happens. And then. So the land is on one side and the waters on the other. And then he takes that watered ground and forms a human. But. And how did he do that? He breathed the Holy Spirit. And then you had creation of man. And so then you see Jesus having this. And God gave the declaration to your point, Zach, about the reason, it's baptism. He made a declaration, this is my son, whom I love, and I'm well pleased. The Holy Spirit descended on him like a dove. It was an anointing of the Holy Spirit. So we get to experience that. We bow the knee to Jesus, we surrender. And that same Holy Spirit, I mean, he's very specific because when he gets to the last verse of First John 3, he's like, this is how we know that he lives in us. We know it by the Spirit he gave us. That's the connection to this anointing. So, but it all comes back to when he predicted it, back to John 14. And then I'll let you comment in verse 20. He's like, the counsel of the Holy Spirit. And the Father will send, and my name will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I've said to you. So he's taking this role as reminding you to look to Jesus. So that's one. Then in chapter 16, he gives some other tidbits about what this means when the Holy Spirit comes on you, verse 13. But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own. He will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. So I think that's the point he's making here, when he says, you have an anointing from the Holy One and all of you know all things. I do not write you because you don't know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no luck comes to the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is Christ, because that's the whole Holy Spirit's job is to remind you of the things Jesus said which would guide you into knowing the One who knows everything. So, and that's why you see another verse that people have trouble with in chapter three when it says in verse 20, Whenever our hearts condemn us, it says, for God is greater than our hearts and he knows everything. And I think he's trying to make that point. It comes back to, if you claim to have fellowship with him and you lie, or you say you're not a sinner, or you walk in darkness, you don't think he knows what's going on. You have the Holy Spirit inside of you. It cannot be any more empty, intimate. So I think that's the overall narrative he's portraying here. You're in this fellowship, yet you're entertaining these ideas that Jesus was not even the Son of God. You're living like the devil, yet all of a sudden now claiming, oh, yeah, I'm still in. And that's why he brings up this anointing, the anti Jesus. I just wanted to make that point. So what did you want to say?

[Zach]

The anointing too. It puts the context. In particular, John 14, passage you mentioned, it puts the context in fellowship because the same word is about abiding. And so you could read a verse like this, whoever confesses, the Son has the Father also. And we can read that and think, oh, all I gotta do is just, okay, I confess Jesus. Like I just. I confess Jesus now. I have to. That's not what he's saying. This isn't a magic password, right? He's not saying, here's the password. If you get the password right, kind of like the prayer, ask in Jesus name and you'll get it. Lord, oh, Lord, won't you buy me A Mercedes Benz. As the song says, in Jesus name, where's the Mercedes? And that's not what this is. This isn't a magic password that you say that you confess. Jesus is Lord. It's not just the verbal assent. It's not even really the acquisition of a particular truth or knowledge that you can now hold the right belief system. Therefore, this is all going to turn out for me in the way that I think it will. What the promise here is, this is about abiding. This is about being in relation with. This is. So how do you know the things of the Spirit when you're in relationship with him? It's kind of like this. I mean, it's probably the. It's probably hard to explain this, but Jill and I were at an event recently and there was a moment where I knew that she was not like she was upset about something. I could just feel it. She didn't say anything to me. She didn't like whisper in my ear. I disagree with that. She didn't like pinch my side or poke me. I just know her. So how did you know? I don't know how I knew. I just knew. And I actually knew what it was that bothered her. And the way that I knew that was. I've spent 25 years with this woman. Like there's things I just know and that she knows about me. And we don't have to say a word. Well, why? What? We live together. What does that mean? We abide together. And so in the same way as we abide in the Spirit, then the things of the spirit become very pronounced to us. We just know. How do you know? Well, I've been spending a lot of time with him and I know the way he thinks and I know his mind. Well, how do you know? Because he's been telling me. But it's not always just audible thing. It's not just an acquisition of a knowledge, it's a spirit. And likewise there's a spirit of an Antichrist that's away from. That's out of fellowship with him, that's not abiding with him. It's Antichrist, it's anti Messiah, it's anti way of the cruciform life. And you move further away from his knowledge or even downright hostile towards it. And in this case, I think these were intentional people that, that at some point had some kind of experience and knowledge of Christ. And now they're in there and they're. And they're systematically trying to undermine relationship with him in the church. They're Going after him. They're trying to take people away.

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[Al]

That Greek word charisma is the. There's two key words to me in this entire text, charisma, which is the anointing, which is what Jason is talking about. And I wanted to read this first to you, Jason, because Peter said exactly what you just said a minute ago, but it's actually written in Acts 10. He says, you know, what happened? What has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached, how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth. There's that word with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing. So that's that charisma. And then the other one, Zach, the one you just mentioned is. Is called minnow, and it's mentioned twice in this text as well. And it's abiding. It's the same word in John 5, Remember John 5. 39, where he says, you know, you study the Scriptures diligently, but you miss me. Well, right before that, in verse 38, he says, Truth does not abide in you, which, of course, is what they're doing by rejecting them. So I love that. These two words really are kind of the linchpin.

[Jason]

Yeah, well, we're tracking. Because where I'm going with this is when I said I was going to get to Romans, which is not going to be today, but I wanted to make a connection, because after he says all that about anointing, abiding the fellowship, wonderfully done by my cohorts, he then basically says a sentence that this podcast was formed over. When he gets to verse 28 of First John 2, and I just want to introduce it, he says, and now, dear children, continue in him, because we're having this fellowship so that when he appears, we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming. Well, the other time, that's real noble. Where that's mentioned is in Romans, in Romans 1:16, when Paul, I mean, you just think about Rome was in power there. Caesar was basically, he wrote his own manifesto, wanting to reset the calendar to be counted by him, saying, not Jesus before and Jesus after, he was here, but by Augustus or what was his name? Augustine or Augustus, one of those. Caesar. Augustus Caesar, Yeah. He's like, if you ever read that manifesto, he was basically saying, I'm Lord.

[Zach]

Which is funny because, you know, that happened again after the French Revolution. They tried to change the calendar. They wanted to move away from a seven day workweek to a ten day workweek, mainly to get away from having crisis, the center of anything.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Jason]

And here comes Paul, writes a little letter and what's he armed with? The power of the Gospel. He said, I'm not ashamed of the gospel because remember when y' all were talking about power because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. But then it says, for in the Gospel a righteousness is. Is from God is revealed a righteousness. And, and the actual translations say that it is from faith to faith. Now I realize there's a lot of debate on what that means and I've looked at this really hard. And that's why I asked you about the faith concept, Al. Because what I noticed is when we, when you look at the Greek word for like righteousness, there's the same basic word is used for righteousness for being just. It's a hard word to pin down in English because in the Greek they're using the same word for all these same concepts, righteousness and even a faith aspect. And just so most people, like Zach illustrated earlier, they tend to look at this as, you know, punching a ticket or what's our own faith? And that's why I asked you about that faith. But when you. There's a little nugget in one John one that we kind of skipped over and didn't, didn't make much talk about. But in First John 1:9, after he said, if we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, but if we confess our sins. And then there's a little phrase here, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. And you know when you see that word faith, it can mean faith or faithful. And you say, what does that mean? And ultimately when it says God's righteousness is revealed through the Gospel, and you're like, what is that saying? Ultimately, it's showing his faithfulness. In Romans 3, the first three verses of chapter 3, he specifically brings this up, which is why I'm bringing it up, because I think that's the context of this. And you say, well, what does it mean to be faithful? It means God's moving in and he's here to stay, which I think is the whole point of one John. He's like, he moved in. You have this anointing. I've moved into your body, in your thoughts, and I know everything. I'm not going anywhere.

[Zach]

Well, think about that. I mean, think about that. That's what's missing is the fidelity. That's why I think when you read a verse like the, the Antichrist, we like, well, let me just reduce all this to like a, A confession on one side. Then you got this figure up here. Now he's bad. And then, and then I can just get all this, I can separate all that out. When the whole context is really, no, no, God is faithful and he's calling for your fidelity. That's a. That is a much deeper sense of relationship than just like, like trying to box all this stuff out. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're trying to box it.

[Al]

And that's why you illustrate, you illustrated Zach beautifully earlier. The closest thing we have to that is the person that you commit yourself to, to spend a life with. And, you know, it's not always going to be easy. There's going to be good days, there's going to be bad days. But the commitment and the faithfulness of a. Or what carries the day, because we're, like you said, James, we're here to stay. Well, that's why.

[Jason]

Look, that's why a lot of the, in my opinion, the religious religiosity or denominational world, you know, when they go down a Roman road, they take some wrong turns. It's because they make that faith from faith. They make it all about you. And this all starts with God's faithfulness. And really, when you look at how Romans breaks down, which we can do on the next podcast, 1:18, all the way through the end of chapter one shows you from the first group of people, before the Jewish nation ever established all this world, they were faithless. In fact, the last verse of Romans 1 has that as one of the categories. They were faithless. Well, then he gets to the Jews in chapter two, all the way to 3:20. And guess what he says about them? Faithless. They're faithless. But the whole time, guess who was not faithless? God. He was faithful. That's why I brought up that chapter three and sent. He made a promise to Abraham, and Abraham wasn't even a Jew. He was serving false gods in somewhere in Mesopotamia. He was oblivious of all this and became the Father of all nations. Why? Because he believed what God said and God was faithful and eventually produced Jesus, who was faithful to a point of despite all our sins and mistakes and all that, he did what was right. He stood by the truth. He relied on God the whole time. He's like, I'm not doing this for myself. I'm doing this for the Father. And died on a cross, was buried, and was raised for us. I mean, he. He just became a relentless pursuer of humanity in the family of God. And so I, I was just going to say you're not going to understand this if you don't have at the beginning. God is faithful and he proved it and will continue to be so.

[Al]

So I I want to read this as we wrap up my one of my new favorite verses, Hebrews 2:11 to to put the exclamation point on what you just said, Jay's both the one who makes men holy, that's the righteousness. And those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. So to your point, that's where we are in Christ today. So we'll we'll pick it up here next time. Get back into First John and Romans on Unashamed thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.