Ep 1270 | The Only Answer to the Coming AI Apocalypse

Summary

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Episode Summary: Ep 1270 | The Only Answer to the Coming AI Apocalypse

Podcast: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Host: Tread Lively
Date: February 16, 2026
Featured Speakers: Jason, Jace, Zach

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Episode Overview

This episode is a deep-dive conversation about the rapid ascension of artificial intelligence (“AI”) and its cultural and spiritual implications. Using current events in the stock market as a springboard, the Robertson crew explores public anxieties over AI's power and doomsday predictions—especially the so-called “SaaS Apocalypse” (Software as a Service industry downturn). Throughout the discussion, the Robertsons anchor their perspective in Christian faith, reflecting on the enduring value of relationships, embodied presence, and Christ’s ultimate promise, contrasting these with the impersonal, ever-expanding reach of AI.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Stock Market Shakeups & The “SaaS Apocalypse”

• [02:26] Zach opens by referencing recent turmoil in the stock market, specifically the downturn among SaaS (Software as a Service) companies. He notes, “All these SaaS companies… are just vomiting.”
• [02:47] Jason introduces the term “SaaS Apocalypse” and discusses how market panic can be manipulated by those who stand to benefit:

  “People love to take spiritual principles… [the term 'apocalypse'] means to reveal... they want to buy a bunch of these very good SaaS companies. So you see it and say, oh no, there's apocalypse coming. I need to sell all these companies. And then they… pick them right up.”

• [06:19] Zach connects the crash to fears over AI replacing software jobs: “The fear and the sell off is that [AI is] going to make software companies obsolete. …You can get on an AI bot and… in 15 minutes, you can create a software that would have taken you hundreds of thousands of dollars and months to build.”

2. AI’s Rapid Progress and Existential Questions

• [07:55] Zach notes that investment is shifting:

  “It’s going to be a return back to something you can actually put your hands on—a return back to what’s real.”
  He sees this as a metaphor for society’s deeper longing for authenticity amid technological upheaval.

• [09:19] Jason points out why people’s anxieties run deep:

  “What scares people is because AI has godlike qualities. …So they're like, oh, doomsday scenario.” He insists that for Christians, true security is in the resurrection of Jesus, not in material or digital investments.

3. Spiritual and Social Counter-Reformations

• [12:54] Zach places the AI tipping point within a historical context:

  “Every time that there’s a massive shift... the Holy Spirit seems to have always provided a counter reformation.” He predicts that real, embodied presence—“face to face interactions, real dinner around a real table”—will become more valuable as people crave meaning and community beyond screens and data feeds.

• [14:40] Jace shares a story from a local Bible study, pondering how people of different eras and cultures will interact in eternity, noting the rapid acceleration of technological change.

4. Relational Faith vs. Knowledge-based Culture

• The dialogue pivots to the profound difference between knowing about God and knowing God, echoing their faith’s emphasis on relationship rather than mere information.
• [41:19] Jason:

  “Some people read the whole Bible and they miss the point that this is a person.”

• [42:44] Zach observes about AI:

  “AI can never engage in communion, period. …We're drowning in data, yet we are thirsting for meaning.”

• [45:40] Jace illustrates the importance of real relationships with a story about resolving a utility crisis—not through tech, but through personal connections.

5. Christian Hope: The Real “Apocalypse”

• The hosts reflect on the word "apocalypse" (Greek for “revelation”) and continually return to the certainty of Christ’s return, which provides lasting hope amid any worldly collapse.
• [27:29] Jason digs into Revelation:

  “Let me give you the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place…”
  “What I find fascinating… is that it’s about the certainty that the Lord Jesus is coming.”

• [38:40] Jason humorously points out the limits of AI:

  “AI is going to have trouble, you know, kissing my wife on the cheek."

6. The Enduring Kingdom vs. Fading Empires

• They discuss how every nation once at the world’s center eventually fades, yet the “kingdom of God is advancing.” (Zach, [47:28])
• [48:40] Jace: “What’s interesting is... when you look at Rome, Rome’s still there. Italy’s still a country… But they’re not what they once were.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Stock Panic and Manipulation:
  • Jason [02:47]: “So you see it and say, oh no, there’s apocalypse coming. …I bought whatever you sold. I was that guy on the other side. Cause you gotta remember in the stock market, when you sell something, somebody else gotta buy it.”
• On AI's “Godlike” Features and Human Fear:
  • Jason [09:19]: “AI has godlike qualities. ...So they're like, oh, doomsday scenario.”
• On Security in Faith:
  • Jason [11:43]: “I don’t base decisions on doomsday scenarios… the ultimate portfolio holding …would be the resurrection of Jesus via the Holy Spirit.”
• On the Limits of AI:
  • Jason [38:40]: “AI is going to have trouble, you know, kissing my wife on the cheek.”
• On the Shift Toward the Tangible:
  • Zach [07:55]: "It’s going to be a return back to something you can actually put your hands on.”
• On Meaning and Communion:
  • Zach [42:44]: “We’re drowning in data, yet we are thirsting for meaning.”
• On the True Focus of Faith:
  • Jason [35:07]: “It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.”
• On Christian Hope Amid Change:
  • Zach [47:28]: “You live in the reality that the world is fading away, but the kingdom of God is advancing.”

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Important Timestamps

• [02:26] SaaS companies’ struggles and AI’s threat to industry
• [07:55] Movement of investments to tangible, “halo” stocks
• [09:19] The doomsday fears rooted in AI’s “godlike” abilities
• [11:43] Faith as the real portfolio and security
• [12:54] Historical parallels to cultural technology shifts
• [14:40] Bible study story: enduring human questions across eras
• [27:29] “Apocalypse” as Revelation: Christ’s certain return
• [42:44] The irreplaceable value of real, relational communion
• [45:40] Community and personal connection over automation

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Tone and Style

The conversation is warm, humorous, and grounded in everyday life—carrying the Robertsons’ trademark blend of Southern charm, practical wisdom, and unashamed biblical conviction. They weave major cultural insights with personal anecdotes, always circling back to the message of hope in Christ.

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Concluding Reflection

The episode ultimately encourages listeners not to fear technological advances or marketplace panic, but to ground their lives—and hope—in authentic, embodied Christian faith. For the Robertsons, the “only answer” to any coming apocalypse, AI-driven or otherwise, is to know and be known by Jesus, investing in relationships and the enduring kingdom of God over fleeting worldly empires.

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Transcript

[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't have the Rolodex, so you gotta. When you come up there, you never know what you're gonna get. I don't have it like. But it's an open book.

[Jace]

Yeah.

[Zach]

To open book. All right.

[Jason]

I don't have tabs like Zach. He. There's tabs. Just this dress. The way he dresses and carries himself. There's a tab for that?

[Zach]

There's no tab. What does that mean?

[Jason]

Well, you put yourself in a box when you try to declare what you're wearing is like some kind of.

[Zach]

I've got a gray sweater on. What are you talking about? What does that declare?

[Jason]

I can't. I don't even know what the hat says. If I see somebody with a hat like that, I think, yeah, he needs to get out in the woods more.

[Zach]

My hat came from my wife who gave it to. To me as a gift that she got for free when she was at a speaking event in Alabama.

[Jason]

Oh, is that what you're doing for Valentine's Day? Because you know. You know what I. I realized?

[Jace]

She just gave.

[Zach]

She just gave it when she was down there. Let me see what it says on it. Purcell Farms, Alabama. And she met this family of spirit filled believers. And I wanted to support him, Jace, but I mean.

[Jace]

Hey.

[Jason]

Hey.

[Jace]

Well, and I'm sure they're listening today. They're probably excited to know that.

[Zach]

What did he. But he said there was a tab for that. That's the part I didn. What's that? What do you said? You don't live with tabs. And there's a tab.

[Jace]

He's tabless.

[Jason]

Yeah, I'm tabless. People look at me and they're like, wonder what that's all about. I like that.

[Zach]

I don't know if they say the latter. They probably do. Ask the first question. What's that about?

[Jason]

Yeah, well, because it's. You know, I don't care what people think is what I'm saying.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So I don't.

[Zach]

It's been an interesting three weeks though. Jace, we haven't talked about. And I know at first people are going to be turned off by this discussion, but I do want to talk about something that's happened in the last three weeks.

[Jason]

See, that's the part you got to solve. You're like, I know you're. You're too concerned about what people think. You just gotta. You gotta worry about what God thinks and just let it happen. Just do it out.

[Zach]

Well, I don't want the people to be Bored. And I don't. This is not. It's gonna sound boring.

[Jason]

Who cares?

[Zach]

But it's not. And it's about the stock market. Have you been. I know you keep. I don't keep up with it like you do, but you keep up with it. But I think there's a fascinating thing happening in the marketplace right now.

[Jace]

You're talking about 50K.

[Jason]

What do you need to know?

[Zach]

I'm talking about the. All these SaaS companies, which stands for Software as a service, are just vomiting.

[Jason]

You know what they're calling it? You know how to find Fast. I had no idea he was going to bring this up. You know what they're calling it? The sass. Apocalypse. Yeah. Where'd they get that idea? No, people love to take spiritual principles. That's a Greek word, apocalypso, and it means to reveal. But they're like, since it's in a book, where there's a lot of judgments going on because people don't realize, if you're a God of love, there has to be judgment. Has to be. Because there has to be a standard of righteousness, of what's right, truth. So if you didn't do anything about things that are wrong, well, you wouldn't really be loving or righteous or just. But anyway. Yeah, so they call that. But, Zach, what they do is somebody. These people who write all these articles and all this, that means they want to buy a bunch of these very good SaaS companies. So you see it and say, oh, no, there's apocalypse coming. I need to sell all these companies. And then they just. They just suck them up, pick them right up. I bought whatever you sold. I bought it. I was that guy on the other side. Cause you gotta remember in the stock market, when you sell something, somebody else gotta buy it. When somebody buys something, somebody's selling it. So we got.

[Jace]

There's.

[Jason]

There's a 50. 50 chance that you're right or you're wrong.

[Zach]

Well, here's the part that's interesting to me. So I get a call from our good friend Gary, who you went duck hunting with, and you referenced him on the podcast a few weeks back.

[Jace]

He said Jace was smarter than me and you, by the way, that I.

[Zach]

I got a little different story when I talked to Gary about that, but we. I'm. I'm not going to quite levy that. That claim yet, I think so.

[Jace]

Are you saying that that statement was embellished on this podcast? He.

[Zach]

What was he said? I did not say he was smarter than y'. All. I said that he is very smart and he's. He said. I said, I, I just complimented him and said he was brilliant, but I'd never made the comparison.

[Jason]

I've gotten lost in this story. Who. Who's saying who's smarter than. Than who?

[Zach]

This was a conversation. You said that Gary said that. And then I guess he was at Celebrate Recovery and someone came up to him and said, are you Gary? He said, yeah. He said, well, I listen to Unashamed Podcast and they were talking about. You told him the story, G thinks, and I'm offended, which I'm like, gary, how long have you known me? I said, even if you did say that he was smarter than me, I would not be offended by that. And I would actually expect him to say something like that. So the fact that he even called to make things right, I'm doing air quotes anyway, so he called me your.

[Jace]

Exact line because, Because I'm a recorder of things. In my mind, your exact line was, oh, by the way, Gary's also full of crap. So that. That was your line.

[Zach]

Now I feel bad for saying that, though, after he.

[Jason]

I don't even remember that story or what you're talking. I'm representing the audience. So, so what is the point of this story?

[Zach]

Well, that guy, that was a rabbit hole. The real point of the story is that he called me and he was talking about the, the, this sell off in these SaaS companies. And one of the reasons why there's been this sell off, he was like, it's just funny that the whole, like, stock market's figured out in a moment the implications of AI.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach]

And how artificial intelligence now is, is going to. I mean, the theory is. And the, the fear and the sell off is that it's going to make software companies obsolete. Because now you can get on an AI bot and you literally, if you have no coding experience whatsoever in 15 minutes, you can create a software that would have taken you hundreds of thousands of dollars and months to build. You can do it now in 15 minutes. And, and he was talking about this, and I was like, man, it's interesting you say that because one of my friends just called me, like, literally like two days ago and was like, he said, hey, I got on this AI bot called Claude, and he said, I was able to develop an entire CRM, which is like a, a database that manages, like, customers, his customers. He said, I, I gave it the instructions and within 15 minutes I had a, a working well, 15 minutes.

[Jason]

And he had to.

[Zach]

Took another hour to implement it through some Well, I don't know how it works, but.

[Jason]

Well, there you.

[Zach]

I had the software that I could use and, and I just thought that was interesting. So. And in some level the market like figures this out in a moment. But what I thought was interesting because everyone's been asking the question, like, what's going to happen as AI advances? And if you read a lot of the literature around this, it's, it's, it's kind of scary. Like it is apocalyptic in some of the predictions of what AI is going to do and, but it's interesting to me that where all of that money went when it left these SaaS, companies that went into these stocks, I looked it up, they called them halo stocks. Have you heard that term, Jase?

[Jason]

No. Zach? Yes, I've heard of halo stocks.

[Zach]

So the halo stocks are. They're real world assets, plants, stores, infrastructure. And I just thought how interesting it is that in a world that we're going to be inundated with the, like this information, even in the stock market, you're seeing this. It's going to be a return back to something you can actually put your hands on. A return back to what's real. I just found that to be such an interesting metaphor for where we're headed. I don't know if you've thought through any of that. I know you look at stocks a lot. I don't think. I wonder if you guys have thought about the social implications well before Jay's.

[Jace]

Comments, because he'll, he'll have something to say. The, the entire time you were just talking, I was looking over here at the clock, which was a couple of minutes I was hearing the Charlie Brown teacher from the old Charlie Brown show. Do you remember Charlie Brown?

[Zach]

It wasn't, it wasn't.

[Jace]

Everything you were saying. Right. Was going into my ears and my brain was just rejecting it. So that's, that's my.

[Zach]

Are you not keeping up with any of the AI stuff? Like you haven't read anything and it's not scaring you or maybe exciting you or.

[Jace]

Yeah, I know, I know nothing. Well, I think it's.

[Jason]

So I'll comment.

[Jace]

Yeah, you comment, James, because all I heard was Charlie Brown's teacher.

[Jason]

Well, I think what scares people is because AI has godlike qualities. You can get all this information. It's an endless. So they're like, oh, doomsday scenario. Which always tends to make the market volatile. But think about it. The worst case scenario. So let's say AI does take over the world and somehow destroys it. Well, that's where the resurrection of Jesus comes. Does it really matter? Yeah. Does it really matter what your portfolio says if we figure out a way to destroy ourselves via AI?

[Jace]

So, Jace, we were talking before about you move in a lot more here lately because you had to, right? Because stuff's tore up. You got to get out there and work it.

[Jason]

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[Jace]

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[Jason]

So I don't, I don't base decisions on doomsday scenarios. So I. Now look, you. If you, you ask a market question, it's kind of like the, the famous investor said, you don't know who has clothes on until the tide goes out. And that was a stock reference because you tend to see which companies, you know, hold up under this kind of scrutiny on these doomsday scenarios. So, you know, I sold a couple, but I've mostly been buying the quality ones. And guess what? Today is like the first day I've seen them turn around like all Of a sudden, if you look at it today, all those companies, you're saying, boy, they're, they're way up. What happened, what happened to AI scenario? It's just a game, but you know, with real money. So I'm not worried about that. But I do think it's a great segue into the ultimate portfolio holding, which would be the resurrection of Jesus via the Holy Spirit. So I think that's why I'm good at doing the stock.

[Zach]

Well, I mean, I look at like cultural shifts and there's been some, obviously throughout history there's been massive like cultural shifts where something like when we came into the Industrial revolution, that was, I mean, that changed the world or when the printing press was invented, I mean, that fundamentally changed the way that we live in reality. And, and it is, I think there is a lot of fear, you know, at least in the circles I'm running in. A lot of people have fear over it. I mean, a lot of people, I'm actually very encouraged because when I've been, I've been reading that on this a lot lately, that every time that there's a massive like, shift and maybe it's an advancement in technology that happens rapidly that really changes the way we, we do things and there's a massive shift in the way the world interacts. The Holy Spirit seems to have always provided a counter reformation to that. And I actually think, you know, a lot of what we talk about in this podcast is going to be realized in a very meaningful way because one of, I would say the core of what we're talking about in this podcast is centered on things like the priesthood of believers, that your body's a temple of the Holy Spirit, that, that God doesn't live in temples built by man's hands. Like, everything is about, like getting out and getting very localized in the presence of God. And I think that's going to be more, that's going to be a valuable commodity in the near future is what you can put your hands on, face to face interactions, real dinner around a real table. You know what I mean? These are going to be things that we're going to value in a much more meaningful way. So I think that the church is going to really, is poised to really step into this cultural moment and maybe provide a real place of hope for people.

[Jace]

Well, you know, it's funny, Zach, because I had a Bible study this week in the interim of us recording from last time to this time with an older lady here in Gulf Shores. And you know, she just, she had a Lot of questions. And she asked something I never thought about. It's kind of in with this what you just said. She said what about, you know, we're talking about eternity and you know, everybody wonders about heaven and hell and you know, and we've been talking about that. And she said what? How will people interact in eternity when they came from different eras on the earth? Well, first she asked me like, where's everybody going to, you know, how's the Earth going to be big enough for heaven, big enough for everybody? And I said, well, I don't think it's going to be a space problem. I think we'll be fine. Even the earth is not quite full, you know, even now, even though we never had this many people. But I had never thought about the idea of interacting with people from, you know, thousands of years ago eras because you know, it would be very strange. Like the, the era we live in, in the 21st century is so different than even the 1st century or then you go back BC and talk to people. That's going to be an interesting catch up, I guess just to talk what we're going to talk about because this will be very different, you know, from somebody from the Egyptian era of you know, 3,000 years before Christ versus what we're seeing now. Because like you said now the advancements seem to be happening much quicker in terms of, you know, how you deal with stuff. I mean we weren't even, we were on horses, you know, just, you know, not, not a blink ago, you know, it just wasn't that, that far, long ago. So it is interesting in terms of how much that's going to advance. And dad and I used to talk about this a lot and we both kind of had the idea that things are advancing so quickly that maybe the end is nearer than not, you know, just because how far does it go? How far does it go before it's like we're done? And so we used to always think that and you know, we, in fact we thought for a long time, dad did, that we may see the, the, the coming, you know, in our lifetime. And of course it didn't happen in his, but who knows, I guess we'll, we'll see.

[Zach]

Well, it is going to have, I think the way technology is advancing it is. I mean, I know whether you want to look at it or not, I mean it like it's going to have profound implications on how we do life and I think it's going to have profound implications like in the immediate and near future. Like it's I think the. The pace and acceleration of the advancement in. To artificial intelligence and large language models are. It is advancing rapidly. And there's a lot of tasks that, you know, we're not going to do anymore. Elon Musk wrote that recently that we weren't going to be working in 10 years. Five to 10 years, I think he said. And that's a pretty bleak future. And I don't think that that's going to be the case.

[Jason]

Once a hogwash, huh?

[Zach]

I mean, but, I mean, would you have thought that you could create a sophisticated software with an AI bot with having no experience?

[Jason]

Well, what about when an ice storm comes and trees fall everywhere? Now, granted, I looked around and thought, there's very few people working on my street. But then I realized, I know all these people. And so it may be a motivation problem, maybe a tools problem.

[Jace]

But, you know, Jay's. You're right. And people are back out there gathering wood and trying to figure out how to keep warm. And, hey, I've been living like it's.

[Jason]

1924, the last three weeks. I mean, I go out and Basic essentials, doing a lot of love your neighbor programs. It's probably the most physical labor I've done in quite a while. I'm so sore this morning. I mean, it took me five minutes to get out of bed, but I have run a chainsaw. Now you're like, well, what if you didn't have a chainsaw? Well, I'd use an axe. Yeah, but you. You just, you know, you basically want. One of the reasons. My wife loves that she chose me. Now, she didn't realize it at the time, but she's developed, she's come along and she's like, I tend to thrive when there's no electricity or, you know, we. The grocery store, you can't. There's no groceries. That. That panic moment, because I'm like, oh, we'll survive. I mean, I can catch a fish. I can. You can run a ch. Yeah.

[Jace]

Country boy.

[Zach]

But not everybody's a country boy. I mean, you got to think of. Not everybody's a country.

[Jace]

But guess most people.

[Jason]

Zach, guess what? Guess who's been knocking on my door for the last three weeks.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Jason]

He's non. Country boys.

[Zach]

What are they wanting?

[Jason]

They want some help. That's what I'm saying.

[Jace]

This went from. Away From Hang Williams Jr. To Morgan Waller. What is the hell?

[Jason]

Yeah. I hadn't just been cleaning up my yard. I've been cleaning up everybody's yard around there. So, yeah, I don't know, I think these doomsday scenario. At the end of the day, we're. We're humans.

[Jace]

Well, you know what I'm thinking about Jay's. Ask them at the member. When we were changing over from 1999 to 2000 and is the same thing, it was like, it's. The whole thing's going to fold. You know, all the computers are going to just reject us and everything's going to shut down. It's going to be an apocalypse. Remember all the doomsday 2000 stuff? And then it just, it came and then it was like me. It was just.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think this is, this is different though. I don't think this is. I think we are going to see a massive shift now. What I would say is it's not a doomsday though, because I. I do believe that the Holy Spirit will provide a counter reformation to whatever is going on. That's going to be more beautiful. I operate off this premise. I think you can see this in scripture, that it seems to me that the Lord has continued to deconsolidate like the kingdom, meaning like he's. It's not centralized in a room somewhere where you got about 10 guys determining everything for everybody.

[Jace]

That's true.

[Zach]

I mean, they were in an upper room at one point at the birth of kind of Christianity, at least post resurrection. Yeah, it was very centralized. They're all in a room together. Jesus appeared to them and all that, but they didn't stay in the upper room. They didn't and they went out. And then it just started to spread like a wildfire and you can't even contain it. And then you've had these great church splits, you know, and I don't remember the date. What was it? 10:36. You had what's called the Great Schism.

[Jace]

So Jason, have your little dogs. Have they recovered from the recent ice apocalypse that we had come through our neighborhood?

[Jason]

It's like they weren't aware that anything ever happened.

[Zach]

So.

[Jason]

But I actually fed them this morning with little man and he got to experience the booty shaking when I brought out the rough greens.

[Jace]

They love it. Jason's little dogs love it. My dogs love it as well. We have a kind of a community of dogs. We have three, and then of course, Alex has one. And so we feed them. And like Jason's dogs, when we break out the rough greens, they love it. As they get older, they get a little slower, a little pickier. Sometimes their stomachs are just a little off. And so you're cleaning up some messes more than you're used to. And traditional dog food is missing probiotics, enzymes, omega oils, and the live vitamins and minerals that your dog needs to digest and absorb food. That's where rough greens come in. It's America's number one dog supplement. You sprinkle it right on their food. It's packed with live nutrients, and that's the key, and that's what they need. Plus, it's all natural. It's made in the good old US of A. Ruff Greens is helping dogs feel younger, more energetic and healthier than they have in years. And your dog could be one of them. My dogs look better. Their coats look better. We want you to try this product, check it out. Get a free Jumpstart trial bag for your dog. You just cover the shipping. You go to ruffgreens.com, use the discount code. Unashamed rough greens. We make any dog food better. Even Zach, what we're studying in First John, you're starting to see the first seeds of that where these people are seceding from, you know, everything they've been taught for the first 60 years of the church. You're already seeing it in the scriptures themselves. You're seeing exactly what you're describing.

[Zach]

Well, it keeps pushing it out there. I mean, then you have like the printing press. And then that gave way really to the Reformation movement, which we're all by product. But even that didn't hold. I mean, that continued to deconsolidate. And then now we're in the further deconsolidation and like you little house churches popping up and it's just going to continue. And it's like the, I love that, that, that depiction of the kingdom being like the wind of God, like a wind. And you're like, well, how do you identify it? Well, you can't see where it's coming from. You don't know where it's going, but you know it's there because you feel its presence. And I think that we're gonna. I think what's happening here is it's, it is scary for a lot of people and maybe our audience. I think that there's a lot of that. Listen that are like, yeah, I'm fearful what's to come, but I don't think we should be fearful. I'm not, I'm not claiming it's a doomsday. I am saying that it's going to have a massive impact in the very near future of how the world looks. But I also think that we're going to experience the kingdom of God in a way that we never have either. And so I'm more excited about the anticipation of, okay, how's God going to respond to this?

[Jace]

It was like the, I was telling you about the Bible study I had. It's a typical example of what you're talking about. There was nothing organized about it. A couple of guys that listen to podcast, you know, and know that we studied the Bible had a woman asking them questions they couldn't, they didn't have answers for. And so they said, they came to me and they said, would you go talk to her? And I said, sure. So we go into a, you know, office, a business office, because she owns a business here and we have a down.

[Zach]

Where you're living in.

[Jace]

Yeah, Gulf Shores. And so in her office, we sit there and we have a two hour Bible study. And so. And then she's going to get baptized next time I come back. And so, so what happens is it's totally organic. I mean, it's like it wasn't part of an organized church. She doesn't attend any place. She just had some questions about God and I had some answers because I have the Holy Spirit in me and I studied the scripture and we just had a two hour discussion. So to your point that you can't get any more organic than that, which is really kind of how it all began, right? I mean, that's the idea of it. We know Jesus, the Holy Spirit lives in us, we do study. So we have a general knowledge of wonderful things and we keep learning and we never stop. Which is why we keep doing this podcast, right?

[Zach]

If you guys see a video online anywhere and it pops up and it's like somebody caught in the act of doing something illegal or whatever, like you, you can see that on your Instagram feed or Facebook feed or anywhere. And you know what? My, like, if you, if I would have saw that same video five years ago, I'd have been like, oh my gosh, they're done. You know, the first thought that pops in my head now, anytime I see a video about anything that's like, controversial or provocative, the first thing that pops in my mind is, is it real? Is this fake? Is this real? And so all this information that's coming at us right now because of artificial intelligence, it's provided a way to produce massive amounts of information and content that we don't really know what's real and what's not real. And so this is one of the areas, I think, that where the eschatology that we've Been teaching on this podcast comes in. What's going to be really valuable in the coming future, in the very near future and even now is not how big you can make your presence online. It's not going to even be in like the content you produce. It's going to be in face to face interactions. Because I don't know what if I'm looking at on the screen is real, but I know when I got someone sitting right across the couch from me and we're talking about Jesus, I know that's real. And I think those kind of those moments are going to become more of a commodity, a valuable commodity in the future. Life together, communion, sitting around a table, good food, you know, eating off the land, oppolis of catfish. Jase, your lifestyle is going to be like the. That's the new. That's what's coming.

[Jason]

Well, I feel like I need to do a rabbit hole for Jesus here because if you're worried or fearful about what's coming. When I hear that kind of language, I think about the book of Revelation and it's so weird that, you know, you brought up the sass Apocalypse. Well, the English word for that is Revelation. So let me give you the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. That's Revelation 1:1. So three times he says something about him coming in the first chapter. He says, where's the first time I'm doing this off the top of my head. Verse 4.

[Jace]

And he says, he's coming soon, right? Yeah, grace.

[Jason]

Yeah, soon. Which, you know, I've looked up that word before. It's like we tend to think time because we're like, why is he saying soon? But it's like suddenly, without a notice, it's like, be ready. So he says in verse four, grace and peace to you from him who is and who was and who is to come. So whatever this revelation is, it's from the One who is to come. Then in verse seven, he quotes a famous verse or he introduces a verse where he's going to quote it in verse 13 Daniel, chapter 7. But it says, look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. And then verse 8 says, I am the Alpha and the Omega says, lord God, who is and who was and who is to come? Why does he keep bringing this up? What I find fascinating is if you go to the last chapter of this revelation, this revealing apocalypse, he says in chapter 22 in verse 7, behold, I am coming soon. Suddenly. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of this prophecy in this book. Then in verse 17, it says, the spirit and the bride. Who's the bride? A group of people married to Jesus says, come, and let him who hears say, come. Whoever's thirsty, let him come. And whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. So then he goes down to verse 20 and says, he who testifies to these things says, yes, I am coming soon. And then it triggers a response from said bride, the people who have married this Jesus. Amen. Look what they say, come Lord Jesus. So you say, what is the Book of Revelation about? Well, I know one thing. It's about the certainty that the Lord Jesus is coming. This is not something that we're just, you know, we say hope, but this is an assurance that we look forward, that we're ready. And even in the testimony to the seven churches, these supposed lamps stands, these candlesticks that are supposed to reflect the light of said marriage partner, which is Jesus. Isn't that interesting? This picture that you get of that, he says in there, look, he kind of gives a description of the churches and they're all kind of summed up in what's your focus? Are you reflecting the light? What's your behavior like in these messages to the churches? And what is your view on how much you love me? You know, what are you doing in all these seven churches? But even that, like chapter three, he says, where does he say, I'll come to you? So he gives them. Yeah, look at verse three of chapter three. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard, obey it and repent not. Wake up. I will come like a thief and you will not know at what time I will come to you. So it's like you have this overall vision of Jesus coming back and we're ready and we're saying, come Lord Jesus.

[Zach]

But then on earth, Maranatha. That's the, that's the, the, the, the, the, the phrase, the calling. And even, even that, that declaration, Jace, it is an end time view of what's coming. But we're saying come now too.

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[Jason]

That's why I brought up chapter three. And it's other places in these messages, the churches, there is a coming in judgment. And it starts with, remember when Peter said, you know, judgment begins with the family of God. And there's a reason these. This whole revelation apocalypse starts off with a message to these seven real churches. And it gives you an idea because we've been talking about light and darkness in one John, that we're supposed to emit the light of a person, the Godhead. That's what we do. He uses people to shine the light. And even in the Pictures of Chapter 4 and 5, this throne in heaven. I mean, what I find fascinating, we talk about earth and heaven coming together and that being a central theme. Well, these churches are on earth. And then all of a sudden you have a vision of these thrones, this throne in heaven, and you realize, oh, heaven and earth is working together right now to show the light of the glorious God that we serve Jesus at the right hand us on earth.

[Jace]

And that's Ephesians 3, Ephesians 3, 10. Through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is being revealed, you know, to the heavenly realms and the earthly realms.

[Jason]

Yeah. So I think. I think all this answers really the three questions of life that I've been sharing through bible studies for 30 years. How did we get here? What are we doing here? Or who are we with? Because when we talk about all this power of knowledge and AI and you know, there's something to be said about, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

[Zach]

Oh, that's good.

[Jason]

And the third question is, well, what happens next? You know, where are we going? What's happening? And that's why I think, unlike a lot of religion does, there's very little in the Bible that says about us going to heaven. It usually says we're going to be with the Lord. You think about 1 Thessalonians 4 talking about this coming. I mean, you're not going to get a more accurate depiction of this come Lord Jesus, than first Thessalonians 4 when he says, and y' all are familiar, but I just want to make one point here. When he says verse 13, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again. So we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him, will bring with Jesus. That's implying he's coming Back, Right?

[Jace]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And he's bringing those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive and are left, uh, oh, till the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. This is the Apocalypse that I'm concerned about more than any other as a reality. After that, we who are alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. But here's the key point. And so we will be with the Lord forever. He's not so much focused on a place, it's who. Who you're getting to be with forever. And this all comes from. Remember when he said in John 14.

[Jace]

Jason, before you go to your next verse, if you go over to second Thessalonians, chapter one, he mentions again to the Thessalonians what you just read from his first letter. And then he paints a picture for people that aren't ready. And that'll be the worst. For those who are in Christ, it's the best day of your life because it's the transition. But for those who aren't, it's the worst day of your life because he says it brings judgment and it brings finality.

[Jason]

Yeah, that's why I brought up revelation. I mean. Yeah, yeah. It's. I mean, judgment is the obverse of having a loving God. It's just. And that's 1st Thessalonians 5, 4, which.

[Zach]

Real quick, though. The place. The place, it's not primary, but it is part of it. It's just that the place only matters when you're with the person of Jesus and his presence, because the earth and the cosmos is going to be the place where God's going to dwell with his people. And that's. So the idea is the place becomes relevant when heaven meets the place. When heaven and Earth meet now, all of a sudden the Earth is like, whoa. And the picture of the end apocalypse, we're experiencing many micro versions of that now. And that's the not yet. Right? We're not there yet. But, I mean, there is a. I'm sorry, that's the now. There is a not yet. That's the end time. But we're experiencing this tension now. It's a tension now. It won't be a tension when we fully live in the presence of Christ.

[Jason]

Well, that's my point. I mean, look, it's. Valentine's Day is upon us. And it's like, you know, AI is going to have trouble, you know, kissing my wife on the cheek. They're like, oh, yeah, no, we're going to create this, you know, that's not going. My wife told me, interesting story. We had a little man's birthday and she had to bring, you know, when they go to school, they. On their birthday, they get to bring, you know, a prize for all the other kids to. Because it's birthday. So she's up last minute, you know, getting a. Getting a cake to bring to the school. She told me something funny. She was like, see all these cakes? And she actually found one kid's into dinosaurs. She bought the cake, had the dinosaurs. But she said, but everything there was all this Valentine's Day stuff. And she's like, you're not going to believe what I saw. I was like, what's that? She said, so here's all these Valentine's, you know, I love you, Our love lasts forever, you know. And she's going down through the list looking. I was like, oh, you were thinking about me, huh, babe? She's like, yeah. She's like, the last. The last cake on the end said, dump him.

[Jace]

Dump him.

[Jason]

Dump him. Dump cake. She said, no, not dump cake.

[Jace]

Dump.

[Jason]

Dump him. And I thought, they're selling that at a store. And she said, I thought it was hilarious. I was like, who's gonna buy this?

[Jace]

Somebody will buy it. That's why there was only one left.

[Jason]

And the fact. The more I listened to this and thought about it, the more convicted I was. We're so sensitive, you know, even I was like, I can't believe they have that for sale.

[Jace]

Who would buy that?

[Jason]

She's like, you know, it's a bunch of girlfriends. Like, if somebody's dating a guy and they're. They're sending her a message. I was like, they're not going to pay money for that. This is not going to end well. But then I thought, I think we're too sensitive. There are some. Some people that should buy a cake that says, dump him. He's no good. You know, I thought it was true, but. And that's my point about, you're going to have trouble, I think, with AI discerning some of this.

[Zach]

It won't.

[Jason]

It doesn't work. At the end of the day, me and my wife, I don't care where we live. I'm not concerned about the place. Are we together? That's the more important issue. And I think the Bible really speaks about that. People read this and think about how many arguments and all this knowledge and all these capabilities, and some people read the whole Bible and they miss the point that this is a person.

[Zach]

I mean, I think that is going to be a massive implication of what's going to happen. It's going to expose what you just articulated in this way. When you think about. You said a phrase that. I've wrote it down because I'm going to use it later. But it's not about what you know, it's about who you know. And you've always heard that used in terms of like, if you want something done in this city, it ain't about what you know. You got the right connections, you can get anything done. It's kind of like that. That's the idea behind it, right? If I got the right connections, I know the right people and get it done. But it does ring true with where we're headed, because with artificial intelligence, you can formulate any idea that you possibly can think about. Like, you can enter it into your chat box and it'll give you whatever thought or theological idea, whatever it is, but like that. But you put that in and say, give me a rebuttal to this. It'll give you that, too. And then you say, give me a rebuttal to this. And it'll just keep doing this forever and ever. And everybody's going to be an expert in everything all at the same time. Where what's going to happen in that moment is it's going to make a lot of that stuff that we've hung our hat on, right? That we've hung our hat on these ideas that we hold. And we figured this thing out, and that's going to be less valuable. What's going to be more valuable is what you just said. What AI can never do is kiss your wife.

[Jason]

Communion.

[Zach]

AI can never engage in communion, period. It can't do it. So now you look back at the Garden of Eden, you think, what were you doing in the beginning? We were having communion with God. The thing that we were created to do now is going to be one of the only things left that we can do that is real, meaningful, and in a world that has, you know, I heard one author said, we're flooded with endless amounts of data, yet we are. We're drowning in data, yet we are thirsting for meaning. And that's such a true statement that I think that that relational knowledge, not the knowledge of I have the right Information, the relational knowledge, the communion is. That's what's going to be valuable.

[Jace]

Zach, I've got the perfect story that illustrates what you just said. So someone ran over the water meter in my daughter's yard, in Alex's yard, and broke it, Broke something inside there. And so it's leaking water. And so, you know, they call the water company and they can't get through. And it took. Took a while. And finally they get somebody because everything's automated now. The bill comes, somebody reads the meter. No, nobody's really ever just, like, communicating with you about your utilities anymore. And so it took. It took, like, weeks for someone to finally show up. And they did. And when they did, they took everything out of the hole and they just left it on the yard for another week and. And came back, and it was just all this back and forth. They didn't fix it. And so water's running. So then they get a water bill for $750, and they're like, we can't. We can't pay this water bill. So they start calling and trying to tell somebody, look, this was broken and your people didn't fix. They can't get anybody. They. Then somebody comes out and turns their water off because they didn't pay their water bill. All this is automated. Nobody has spoken to anybody except for the one day somebody showed up and then didn't fix the problem. And so this is going on back and forth. And so now, you know, we get. Alex said, they've cut my water off and I can't get a hold to anybody. So Lisa gets on the phone and calls a guy that we all know that used to be a police juryman, and because we know he knows everybody in town. And she said, here's my problem. And he says, oh, I know the guy. I know the guy who owns that company. And look, it's a problem because this water company has all these issues and all that, but I will get in touch with you. Somebody will call your daughter tomorrow. And they did. And once she talked to a woman who works there and heard the story. The water's turned back on, everything's worked out. The. The, you know, we're not going to charge you the $750. We're going to. All it took was a person who knew somebody else, and then the connection was made and the problem was fixed. And it's exactly what you're describing in a spiritual sense, that's knowing Jesus, right, that everything else, like this automation and AI and the stuff that's fake and the stuff that's real. But if you know the person who then can make the connection, that's what's going to fix your problem.

[Zach]

That's good.

[Jason]

Well, it's like you brought up, you started this whole conversation that I had no idea we were fixed to talk about, about the stock market. Well, you.

[Jace]

Sass Apocalypse. That's the name of this episode, Sass Apocalypse.

[Jason]

But if you look back over 100 years, just think about what this country's gone through and yet what happened to the stock market. I mean, we're talking about depression, wars, all this stuff. And guess what everybody said, oh, no. Oh no. Guess what that thing has done since its inception?

[Zach]

It's gone up.

[Jason]

It's gone up and to the right. So people like me, I'm just looking at it because you're like, well, what's going to stop it? Well, either I die or Jesus comes back. Over 100 years, I think we've pretty much met every challenge. That's why I told you it's kind of a playpen for rich people. They have so much money, they're not going to let the thing die because they enjoy it. It's fun. They don't have anything.

[Zach]

Well, with every economy, every power nation in the history of the world at some point has no longer ceased. They've ceased to be.

[Jason]

That's what I'm saying. You keep creating the doomsday scenarios as I. So if the country implodes and just is taken over by another country, the stock market is going to be the least of your problems. You're going to be trying to catch.

[Zach]

My point is. My point is not to create a doomsday scenario. My point is you live in the reality that the world is fading away, but the kingdom of God is advancing.

[Jason]

That's what I'm saying.

[Zach]

I take a lot of hope in that. When you think about that passage when Jesus talks about hell and the kingdom and he contrasts the two, he says hell has gates. He said the kingdom doesn't have gates. The kingdom storms the gates of hell. And furthermore, the gates of hell will not prevail against the coming of the kingdom.

[Jace]

And so what did CS Lewis say? The gates of hell are locked from the inside. I thought was interesting.

[Jason]

I love that quote. But my point is seek first the kingdom of God. Realize that this fleshly existence, and I don't mean the skin, I just mean whatever word we want to use to described describe being trapped in our mortality, that you're going to die. You know, if you live long enough, you're going to sin and if you live long enough, you're going to die. Which is why Jesus came down here to kind of destroy that aspect of human living and create a new humanity. It is a new humanity that he introduced.

[Jace]

Jase, you mentioned the Daniel 7. It's really interesting. Zack, you just said about the empires that once ruled the world. They are all still here. What's interesting is, like, you look back at Egypt, you know, Egypt's still over there. There's still Egyptians. When you look at Rome, Rome's still there. Italy's still a country. They got the Olympics there. Athens is still there. The Greeks are still there. But they're not what they. But they're not what they once were.

[Jason]

But it's new. Look, you know what the. The most common phrase in Egypt is? The all know this is trivia.

[Zach]

I don't know this.

[Jace]

I do not know that.

[Jason]

I can't believe y' all don't know this.

[Zach]

The most common phrase in Egypt.

[Jace]

Yeah, they say, random walk like an Egyptian.

[Jason]

No, no, they say. Hey, they say. They point and say, remember that time we built those pyramids?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, that's the most common.

[Jason]

No matter what happens, they point over and say, remember that time when we built those pyramids? Y' all think I Googled that? That just came right off the top of my head because.

[Zach]

No, we don't think you Googled that.

[Jace]

We don't think that.

[Jason]

Now look.

[Jace]

No, I do not think that.

[Jason]

Look at this. I'm gonna show you my computer screen. It's been that way for the last 45 minutes. It's just a black space. No, what I. My point is people. People die. All those people that you're talking about, oh, all these nations. Well, now there's new people to Al's point. They're living over there. You're like, what? These are people made in the image of God that Jesus bought and paid for. Which is another Revelation verse that he says in chapter. Is it Chapter five that he purchased people from every nation? So it's like, here it is, Valentine's Day. We're talking about. Oh, you know, AI is around every corner and you think, what am I going to buy the person I love? Well, from God's perspective through Jesus, he bought people for him and the price was his blood. And I'm saying that tends to take away your fears of whatever. And we're going to get to that in First John 5, you know, First John 4:5.

[Jace]

But you're right, here it is. And it is the relationship. You know, because you mentioned Valentine's Day. So at least I've been super busy down here getting a house ready and doing, doing some things. And so I thought about yesterday. I thought, oh, man, I haven't, you know, she orders stuff for me all the time, so it shows up in these gifts. But I don't, I don't shop online. I don't shop anywhere. So yesterday I went to Dollar General to get some cat food and I. And they had this Valentine's stuff. And so I'm looking in there and I thought, so, you know, I started buying her these little trinkets and, you know, Dollar General and then I went to Walmart for something else and I bought her a couple of more things and, and here's what's going to be amazing. I don't know what it cost. It wasn't much. It was Dollar General Walmart. So it's not like this was, you know, high dollar. But the fact that I thought about her, the fact that I went to the trouble and bought the little bag and the little stuff that goes in it like, like women do and make it look nice. The fact I did this, she'll be more proud of this bag of Dollar General Walmart stuff than, than me going to the jewelry store and buying her an expensive bracelet or something. And it's because of the, because I thought about her, like, because she knew in a moment there was something that, that about her that made me think, I want to get you something. I want to do something for you. And really that explains where we're at in first, John. This whole idea about that's what love does. That's why God, he says he is love. He extends that to us. And that's greater than any nation. That's greater than any AI, that's greater than anything is to have love and then to exhibit that and aim that at someone other than yourself. I mean, to me, that's really what the whole thing is about. Any last words? Because we're out of time?

[Jason]

No.

[Jace]

All right, we've solved Sass Apocalypse today and Valentine's Day on Unashamed, so we'll try to do better next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.