Ep 1281 | Jase Sounds the Alarm on the Blood Moon & End-Times Hysteria

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1281 | Jase Sounds the Alarm on the Blood Moon & End-Times Hysteria
March 3, 2026

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Overview

This episode, hosted by Jason ("Jase"), Zach, and Jay, takes an unfiltered and light-hearted but thoughtful look at Christian perspectives on the “blood moon” lunar eclipse and the recurring waves of “end-times hysteria.” The group discusses why people are drawn to predictions about the end of the world, addresses common misconceptions around biblical prophecy, and refocuses on what scripture actually says about the second coming of Christ and Christian living in anticipation of eternity. Along the way, they blend family stories, biblical insights, and humor to encourage listeners to focus on readiness, purpose, and relationship with Christ—rather than fear or speculation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflections on Time, Family, and Legacy

• The episode opens with Zach sharing about his daughter’s 40th birthday, reflecting on her early struggles as a preemie, the persistence of parental love, and the fleeting nature of life.
  • "I realized something. We're not here long ... James was right. It's a whisper. It's a vapor." (Zach, 05:08)
• This leads to a broader meditation on the passage of time and the opportunity to leave a lasting impact, notably through faith and service.

2. “Blood Moon”: Facts vs. Hysteria

• Jase introduces the upcoming lunar eclipse, popularly termed a "blood moon," and unpacks the science behind it for the group.
  • "Every wacko who takes the figurative language of the Bible, they're like the moon fixed to turn to blood." (Jay, 07:28)
• Discussion clarifies that lunar eclipses, causing the moon to appear red, happen about every two years, and are not rare apocalyptic omens.
  • "This occurs roughly every two years... That was my question." (Jay and Zach, 08:47)
• The guys humorously recall various failed end-of-the-world predictions—from the Mayan calendar (2012) to random online dates—and how people are repeatedly drawn into them.
  • "How many times you got to predict it? You predict the coming, the end times are going to be here... There's one in 2012. You remember 2012." (Jason, 09:44)

3. Why Are We So Obsessed with End Times?

• The group explores the human (and particularly Christian) fascination with nailing down “the day and hour” of Christ’s return.
  • "We feel like we got to know when... We build out all these scenarios and maps... What do you think it is?" (Jason, 14:36)
• Jay responds: “I think it's obvious. Because you want to get ready.” (Jay, 15:08)
• The anticipation is both natural and misguided if it means missing the point of Christian life—living with readiness, not anxiety.

4. Scriptural Correction: Right and Wrong Questions (17:01–22:08)

• “When is it going to happen?” and “Where are we going?” are dubbed the wrong questions.
  • Jay, referencing 1 Thessalonians 5:1: “About times and dates—we don’t need to write to you. Bad question…”
• The right questions, according to Jay: “Who are you with? And for how long?”
  • “We will be with the Lord forever. Therefore, encourage each other with these words.” (Jay, 20:41)
• Emphasis shifts from prophetic speculation to personal relationship with Jesus, assurance in Him, and eternal hope.

5. Heaven, Work, and Vocation (26:09–55:07)

• Jason argues that “where” does matter in a sense because the final hope is the renewal of the earth and the complete union of heaven and earth.
  • He challenges retreatist or escapist Christian views: “If the world's going to hell in a handbasket and we’re just waiting on the Rapture, then why in the world do we need to be worried about cultivating anything?”
• Zach sides with the unique nature of humanity and highlights that scripture never points to Jesus becoming anything but human; our earthly work matters—a theology of meaningful, redeemed work.
  • “As far as we know, He didn’t become anything else. He became one of us. And that makes humanity special in and of itself.” (Zach, 27:18)
• The group agrees: Christian vocation isn’t waiting to “retire” into leisure but to participate in God’s ongoing work of restoration—now and forever.

6. The Sabbath, Rest, and Work Reimagined (32:12–53:31)

• Using 1 John 3 and repeated references to Genesis, Jesus’ words, and the Sabbath, the group illustrates that biblical “rest” is not idleness, but purposeful, fruitful work in God's presence.
  • “Rest does not mean vacation... He rested Adam in the garden—to work it.” (Jason & Jay, 32:35–32:48)
• Jay notes that Jesus’ actions on the Sabbath were teaching about a greater, eternal rest found in relationship with Him, not just ceasing from labor.
  • “Maybe your idea of resting is not what the Bible's definition is is my point. He is always at his work to this very day. And guess what? And I, too, am working.” (Jay, 44:55)
• The group debunks the idea of “biblical retirement,” with AI-sourced confirmation: “The modern concept of retirement ... is actually not in the Bible.” (Jay, 53:31)

7. Love, Scarcity, and Living for Others (52:48–56:09)

• Using studies on human behavior in plenty versus scarcity, Zach and Jay discuss how a correct view of vocation leads to generosity and self-giving, in line with 1 John 3:16–17.
• “You may retire from a secular job or career, but the biblical principle is that you never retire from serving God. Amen.” (Jay, 54:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On End-Times Predictions:
  • “How many times you got to predict it?...” (Jason, 09:44)
  • “Well, is today the end of the world? We don't know. It could be, but we don't know.” (Jason, 55:27)
  • “The better question is: are you ready?” (Jay, 55:49)
• On Right Priorities:
  • “It’s not about when, or where. It's about who you're with and for how long.” (Jay, 19:45)
  • “Rest does not mean vacation...” (Jason, 32:27)
• On Purpose and Work:
  • “Work was a blessing, pre-fall... The curse is not the work, the curse is that in your work there’s going to be a lot of it that’s futile... At the second coming...work will be redeemed.” (Jason, 46:12)
  • “The biblical principle is you never retire from serving God.” (Jay, 54:45)
• On Love and Community:
  • “If anyone has material possessions, sees his brother in need, but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?” (Jay quoting 1 John 3:17, 52:48)
• On Readiness:
  • “Will this day of the Lord surprise you?” (Jay, 55:54)

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Key Timestamps

• 06:33 – Jase introduces the blood moon and lunar eclipse
• 07:28 – Commentary on the apocalyptic hype around blood moons
• 09:44 – Discussion on repeated failed prophecies and fascination with end times
• 14:36–15:56 – Why Christians anticipate (sometimes fearfully) the end times
• 17:01–22:08 – Scriptural correction: what questions to ask (1 Thessalonians 5; 4)
• 26:09–32:12 – Connection between Christian vocation, heaven, and the meaning of “work”
• 32:12–39:54 – Sabbath, rest, and Jesus’ example: redefining spiritual rest and labor
• 46:12–54:45 – Redeemed work, the futility of leisure-only mindsets, and the “seashell sermon”
• 55:07–56:09 – Final reflections: readiness over prediction; eternal relationship and vocation

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Conclusion

The hosts remind listeners that the obsession with predicting apocalypse or “reading the signs” misses the true biblical emphasis: a relationship with Christ, lived out in purposeful work, service, and readiness—regardless of when the end comes. The episode encourages believers not to get swept up in hysteria, but to root their hope and identity in being with Jesus, both now and forever, and to keep cultivating the “garden” until He returns.

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Final Reflection:
"Will this day of the Lord surprise you? … It's about who you're with for how long."
— Jay (55:54)

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Transcript

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[Jay]

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[Jason]

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[Zach]

So welcome back to Unashamed. Jason. I was just catching up on my text in between our podcast recordings today and I realized because Lisa sent a birthday happy birthday text to my oldest daughter who turns 40 today. 40. She said, Happy birthday, my sweet daughter. You have been a joy your whole life. We love you. My baby girl. See, it's still your 40 year old kid, is still your baby girl. Then she said, do you want a regular cake or a cookie cake? And I said, thank you, cookie. So that's our celebration. But Anna is, man, she. She's always is kind of funny because when she was born, of course she was a preemie. And so we spent the first three and a half months of her life with her in the hospital and not sure whether she'd survive or not. Do you remember those days?

[Jay]

Oh, I remember.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I remember Phil catching a bass I caught. We were fishing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Which we probably should have been at

[Zach]

the hospital, but it's okay. It was our way.

[Jay]

Yeah. And when you said how much she weighed, we were looking at those bass, those two pound bass, thinking, and she

[Zach]

weighed less than two pounds.

[Jay]

Yeah, she weighed less than two pounds.

[Zach]

Yeah. That was dad's first line when he did come up.

[Jay]

Well, that's because we had been talking about it. It's like, well, how in the world is she going to survive? But she did.

[Zach]

And I think part of it, I was a fairly new Christian, you know, I'd come back as a prodigal Just a few years before that. And so I almost compare it to almost a naive faith, but good. I mean, good in the sense that I was just so trusting that I never doubted that we would walk out of there with her, even though I had no reason to think that, because every news was every bit of news for the first month of her life was all bad. Like, she was doing bad. She wasn't gaining weight. There was something wrong with her heart. But I just. And I even was watching kids not survive in the nicu. I'd come in one day and the bed would be empty next to me. And we'd just been talking to these parents the day before, and now they weren't there. But I just thought, oh, I just felt so bad for them because they're grieving their loss of their child. But even with all that negativity, I just. I felt like, you know, God was going to spare her and bless us. And he did. And I'm grateful because she. After a month, she had surgery, started growing. But what I was going to say was she was a very strong willed little child. Little girl. And when you're. When you have your oldest and you can probably. It's probably the same with you and Reed, I would imagine, or you and Layla, Zach, I don't know. But you want to, like, you're harder on them, no doubt about it, because it's the first one. You're wanting to do it right. You want them to be right. And so I was like. Because Lisa was like, I just don't know if we can break her. And I was like, oh, she will be broken. And so I was very hard on Nan. And she turned out to be this. Just the opposite of that, her life. Not that I'm taking credit for it, but I'm saying she is the most loyal, trustworthy. I mean, anything I tell her, I know it's going to be done. I mean, it's like humble. Very humble.

[Jay]

Never. I've never seen her raise her voice.

[Zach]

Only one she raised her voice that now is Jay.

[Jay]

Well, that's true. And look, every turn because he said, boy, I've seen it. And I was like, well, I guarantee I'm going to make. I'm going to make an executive decision here. You had it coming. And every time he's ever told me something she said when she's aggravated was the most funny thing I have ever heard. And I would have paid her $100, which I'm gonna give you a hundo for her birthday.

[Zach]

I know it. One hundo she just. Last week we come in here and she had left the last king cake because she waits in line for Jay's to get him a king cake. And some other people too, but I mean, that's how she is. She just.

[Jay]

Who would do that?

[Zach]

But Anyway, it's her 40th birthday today, so.

[Jay]

Al, you have a 40 year old daughter.

[Zach]

I have a 40 year old daughter. I mean, Zach, I am the elder statesman now that dad has crossed over of this podcast. And I realized something. We're not here long. You know, we've been talking a lot about eternal life and heaven and the idea of being here, but it really does. I mean, James was right. It's a whisper. It's a vapor.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jay]

40 years ago.

[Zach]

It's been a long time.

[Jay]

Saw it.

[Jason]

I. I saw a stat online the other day. It was like one of these little memes and it said, it said, consider this, that the difference between 1990 and today is the same difference between 1990 and 1954. And I thought, whoa, that is. It said, let that sink in. And I was like, that.

[Jay]

That.

[Jason]

That one kind of stung a little bit. For a moment I was like, yep, it's moving.

[Jay]

But it didn't really tell you anything you didn't know already.

[Jason]

No, I just. It just. But it just brought to light this thing I had been.

[Zach]

Because 54 seems like a whole nother lifetime ago, right? I mean, people in the.

[Jason]

I mean, when I was in 1990, I mean, if you'd have said the 50s, I'd have been like, oh, dude, that was like. That's like old school. That's the history. Way back in the history books now. That's what my childhood is to other people. Oh, that's way back in the history books. And I'm like, wow.

[Jay]

No, I get it. I'm just too much scrolling. Not enough spending time out in the woods, realizing that. Because I think you're reminded of that when you're out in the outdoors, when you're in your little cocoon, you get distracted. Which, by the way, what I saw was. I mean, maybe this is a thing, but we're fixing to have a total lunar eclipse. So I thought, what is that? Is this something I should be concerned about?

[Zach]

Should I be concerned?

[Jay]

I looked it up. A total lunar eclipse occurs when Earth passes directly between the sun and the moon, casting its dark inner shadow, the umbra, across the entire lunar surface during the blood moon. And I thought, here we go.

[Zach]

Oh, boy.

[Jay]

Every wacko who takes the figurative language of the Bible, they're like the moon fixed to turn to blood. And there's, you know, we have an outbreak with in Iran, the Middle East.

[Zach]

Middle east is in an uproar.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Zach]

And the Israel's involved.

[Jay]

Moon is turning to blood. Israel's involved. The moon turns a reddish orange color as it reflects sunlight scattered through Earth's atmosphere. So I was like, oh no. And so then it has key aspects of a total total lunar eclipse. Blood moon color alignment. This only happens during a full moon when the sun, Earth and moon are perfectly aligned. Duration. The total phase can last for a few minutes, up to nearly two hours. So it's going to happen 3:30 our time. Someone figured that out. So I might have to get up early if I want to see this. It's safe to watch with the naked eye. No special equipment is needed.

[Zach]

And then the solar eclipse, you have to have the glasses.

[Jay]

And then I read the last bullet point and I went, huh, huh? Oh, this occurs roughly every two years.

[Zach]

That was my question.

[Jason]

But to be fair, there's, there's been prophecies.

[Jay]

Oh, here we go, Zach. Let's do some conspiracy theories.

[Zach]

Okay, Creature guys.

[Jay]

And I'm going to knock them down.

[Zach]

Let's go, let's go.

[Jason]

There was the four blood bones, and they prophesied the end of the world, the second coming of, of Christ. So I don't know, I, I was just googling if this is if, if any. Or actually I was looking somewhere else. Is there any prediction that tomorrow the end of the world will be coming? Because a lot of people try to connect the moon turning into blood to the end times, but, but it's not the first time that it's happened. So they've, they've, they've said this before.

[Jay]

Well, it happens over two and a

[Jason]

half years, but, you know, it hasn't happened what all the second coming. I agree.

[Jay]

That was quite the profound statement.

[Zach]

Well, I'm just saying, I mean, Zach, you're reasoning.

[Jay]

Let me ask you this. Why?

[Jason]

How many times you got to predict it? I mean, I've said, you predict the coming. The end times are going to be here. Yeah. There's one in 2012. You remember 2012.

[Zach]

So I was just about to say, so in 2010, I was, I was on a CRU, and we stopped in Tulum in Mexico, and we were touring some of the Mayan ruins. And the guy who was giving us the tour said he was a Mayan descent or somewhere in his background. And he said, you know, in two years, this, it all ends. Right. And this is where, right where we're standing is going to be the, the epicenter of the end of the world. Because it was 2012. He was convinced. He told us this. He said, get your affairs in order. You know, the sun's going to hit this. He showed us this statue that was there among the ruins here. It was beautiful architecture, but he said the sun's going to hit right here and it's going to shine right there. And that's the end. That's as soon as it happens. And so I thought about it. I kept telling Lisa after that 2012, the date he told us, I think it was December 21st or something. And I was like, well, the Mayan guy was wrong yet again. That was another one, right?

[Jay]

Well, I looked at it. It said some physicists in 1960, which was a decade before I was even born, said the world would end in 2026. Here's the exact date. I'm wondering if I should click on this. I clicked on it. Oh, now it's a history of every time someone is. So I'm scrolling, I'm looking for the exact date.

[Zach]

Jay's just got a virus on his computer.

[Jay]

Yeah.

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[Jay]

He.

[Jason]

Right before 2012, he started. This is the first person that I knew that that went viral was Scott Barnett. And the way he went viral was right before 2012, he started a Facebook page and it was called something like not dying in 2012. And it went viral.

[Zach]

He.

[Jason]

And it just blew up. And all these people started to subscribe to it. The people who just did not. I'm not dying in 2012. But it was a big. I mean, they blew up. And I thought, he's onto something there. That was the first person I knew that that. That went viral was part that I personally knew. And I didn't know what that.

[Zach]

And now he's had a great career up.

[Jay]

I found it. Now, he made this prediction almost 70 years ago, Friday, November 13th, which is eight days before Duck season, which would be quite a bummer.

[Zach]

All right, Matt put that in the calendar. So we're going to find out.

[Jay]

We're going to have. I mean, this guy's been dead for years, and that was his prediction.

[Zach]

W. But Friday the 13th, it is

[Jay]

a Friday the Bible that only the Lord knows. And I mean, even Jesus himself, you know, and I think maybe he was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem, the temple in Jerusalem, when he made that. He's like, not even. I know. Only. Only God knows. Right? Right.

[Jason]

But, yeah, which I agree with your analysis there. What do you think it is, though? Because this is a big. I think this is a big temptation for a lot of people. They want to. They. They feel like we particularly religious people, and unfortunately, particularly Christians, we. We feel like we got to know when we want to be able to map this out because we want to know when the end times are going to be. When is Christ going to come back? And we build out all these scenarios and all these maps and all these. And I'm like, I think it's. What do you think it is?

[Jay]

I think it's obvious. I. I think it's an obvious thing. Because you want to get ready.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I mean, that's not a bad thing.

[Zach]

Yeah. It's the same thing about when you.

[Jay]

It's a little late.

[Zach]

Well, when you got a big trip coming up, something you're really anticipating, you know how you keep checking your watch or the calendar. You're getting close to it, and you get it. It's an anticipation. But I think part of it, Zach, is we've been talking about this so much for the last couple of years, actually, on the podcast. And dad talked about a lot, too, because, you know, as he said that the Resurrection loomed large for him because he knew he was about to cross over. But it's really not understanding this concept that we have is one of the reasons why the anticipation is so high is, well, we're ready to get to the next thing. And because you don't know the thing we're doing now, which is heaven here with us.

[Jay]

Oh, exactly.

[Zach]

I mean, I think a lot of that is just that missed idea of what the afterlife. And I put that in quotes because the afterlife has already begun. The garden has already been reset. All we're waiting on is the Resurrection, and that will happen when he comes back. The great Resurrection. And I get it, it's something to be anticipated, but if you're already living in it, you know, you just don't. I don't know. I just. I view it differently now. I'm just not. I'm not near as afraid of dying. We're talking about. I'm 61 years old. Yeah, they say you got prostate problems. You know, it could be something. Who knows? But I'm just not like, sitting around bemoaning whatever time I have left while I'm here in this state. I want to be a light. I want to shine. I want to impact people. People say, al, why are you running all over the country and doing all these things? Because we're not here long.

[Jay]

Well, I'm going to give you the text and I'm going to make a statement. I think it's time.

[Zach]

All right, it's time.

[Jay]

Here are the bad questions to ask. As far as what the Bible says, these are the wrong questions.

[Zach]

What are the wrong questions?

[Jay]

When is it going to happen? Yeah, wrong question. So I'm in First Thessalonians, but you can pick anywhere. And it says, First Thessalonians 5, verse 1. Now, brothers, about times and dates. We don't need to write you. Bad question. When is it going to happen? You know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

[Zach]

So remember to your point, the historical context of the Thessalonians, according to other things, was the early church. They just shut it down. They were like, we're just gonna quit work. That's why he had to tell them, look, you gotta work you gotta keep going. I mean, they were just like, all right, you know, it's over.

[Jay]

So that's bad question number one. Wrong question. And look, I. We. I had no idea we were going to talk about this. This is literally off the top of my head. So I may have to reflect on what I'm saying and add or take away something.

[Zach]

Maddie, that was a note to you get right into the Bible editing here. So that be edited may never be said.

[Jay]

When is it going to happen? Wrong question.

[Zach]

Wrong question. I like that.

[Jay]

Where are we going? Wrong question. Wrong question. I'm going to read it. So I'm going to back up a couple verses.

[Zach]

What was that first? The first Thessalonians 5. I'm going to write these down.

[Jay]

Yeah, 5. 1.

[Jason]

I. I like this. I like where you're going.

[Jay]

All right, 1st Thessalonians 4 and verse. I feel like I need to read the whole thing. But we. We're so familiar with this. Do. Should I look at.

[Zach]

Read the whole thing?

[Jay]

All right, 13. We do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again. And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. So I'm going to ask you the right question at this point while answering or debunking the second question, which is where? Where? Who cares? Wrong question. When? Who cares? Wrong question. Right question. Who are you with and for how long? So I have two bad questions and two good questions, and this is one that's answered. So if Jesus is bringing those who have fallen asleep in him or died. Yeah. What does that mean?

[Zach]

On.

[Jay]

Well, where? Wrong question. But who are they with? If he's bringing them, who are they with?

[Zach]

With him.

[Jay]

They're with him. Good question. There.

[Zach]

That's a good question.

[Jay]

So then it says, verse 16. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you, we who are striving still alive and are left to the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven. Loud command the voice of the archangel. There's a trumpet going off, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we are still alive. So we get to watch that?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. When I lived next to the cemetery for about 14 years, I was like, this is going to be the place to be.

[Jay]

You know what I like about this is we get to watch it. And then the anticipation is like, oh, I'M going to.

[Zach]

Then we get to experience it.

[Jay]

I get to watch if it happens in my lifetime, I'll get to watch that happening.

[Zach]

Dad was convinced it was going to happen in his. He used to tell me, he said, oh, it happens every 2,000 years.

[Jay]

So we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Now, here's the answer of the two good questions. And so we will be with the Lord. Well, that's. Who are you with him? That's a good question. And there's your answer. That's what the Bible is about. Remember when Paul said, you know, I'm in this tent. If the tent is destroyed, I'm torn. Do I want to stay here or do I want to be. Remember what he said at home with the Lord? Who you're with is a good question. And for how long? And so will you be with the Lord forever. Therefore, encourage each other with these words. So I just gave you the two wrong questions as far as what the Bible is about. So, like when the thief on the cross said, today you'll be with me in paradise. But when you look at that word and break it down, it's like a garden setting. Temporary. It's a refreshing. But it says, today you'll be with me. Remember, the Bible is about who you're with, not where you're going and not when it's going to happen.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's good.

[Jason]

I think the. I think the location, though, you could push back a little bit on the location in that the earth matters because it will be a renewed earth and heaven reunited.

[Jay]

Well, look, if you're married, let's take you in, Jill. All right.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And let's say, what was the first place that y' all lived when you got married?

[Jason]

Memphis, Tennessee.

[Jay]

All right. Apartment. Was it an apartment?

[Jason]

Apartment I could. Yeah, we lived in right there on i40, right across the mall.

[Zach]

Zach remembers the address on the bottom floor.

[Jason]

We were in apartment number 6,106.

[Jay]

So compared to where you live now, which is a big, you know what two story house.

[Zach]

Oh, it's a. It's a quite the place. It's a historical home almost.

[Jay]

What is. Has the place where you lived, how much has that changed your relationship from apartments and where you live now on this just sprawling oasis on the top of a mountain, how much would those two locations factor in to the relationship you have with your wife?

[Jason]

I mean, I love her, regardless of where we've lived.

[Jay]

Well, I think my point just. So it's who you're with. Zach

[Jason]

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[Zach]

One of the things I've noticed through the years of ministry is when you don't have a plan laid out for how you want whatever you have left to go to who you want it to go to, it leads to a lot of chaos in family. So it's very important to get this done while you're in the right mind to do it.

[Jason]

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[Jay]

No, I agree with that. Going back to the Vocation, which is now who we're with and for how it's our job.

[Zach]

I mean, when Jesus left, he gave us a job, right? It started with the 12, and then it was the hundred in the room, and then it was the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost and 5,000 a couple of days later. And we all have a job. What you're talking about is our vocations. And you're right. This is the place we work. And I also think it. But to your point about the Earth, the blue dot as. What was the guy's name? Sager, or, I don't know, the scientist. He called it the special blue dot. There is something unique because as far as we know, unless God can do whatever he wants, but as far as we know from Scripture, he didn't become anything else. And the other beings, the other extraterrestrials that we've had contact with here on Earth, the Satan and angels and beings from that other realm, the Bible is very clear. He didn't become one of them. He became one of us. And that makes humanity special in and of itself. And as far as we know, he's never done that anywhere else. Now, we don't know the universe is a big place, but what he said to us is, it's unique for us. And so when people talk about aliens, and I've always been infatuated with that, I want to go see the pyramids, and people say, how does things get here? And things like that. But really, it's kind of like, Jason, it's a bad question, because who cares? Ultimately, I'm just. All I care about is humanity.

[Jay]

I love the illustration when somebody. The preachers have said this for years, but it just doesn't seem to resonate. You know, okay, these. These people who have these special relationships, who. The Lord told them this, you know, Lord told me he's coming in five minutes. What would you do? It's a great question. The correct answer would be nothing different.

[Zach]

The same as what I did. The same as what I did five minutes ago.

[Jay]

There's where your faith is. If you're going to panic and try to start saying 14 Hail Marys or whatever, religious

[Jason]

man, that is a great answer, actually, because when you said that, I thought, okay, if your eschatology or your view of the end times or your view of theology or any ology that you can come up with, you got to ask yourself this question. What does it lead you to do? And if it leads you to reassemble what you've already been doing and say, okay, I'm going to. Now I got to build some kind of fence around this. I got to hunker down. We got to grind it out. If that's in your psyche, you got to start prepping any of that. If that's the answer, then that's actually the wrong answer, because the answer should be that you're going to continue to cultivate the garden. You're going to continue to expand out what you're doing. I think, well, this is the problem. I think we've separated the second coming with our current world. And then granted in scripture, in Hebrews 2, I mentioned this in the last podcast. It does talk about the world to come. So there is a world that's coming, but the kingdom, that's the nature of the kingdom. It's here and it's not yet really fully realized yet. So when, at the consummation at the second coming of the kingdom, what are we going to be doing? We're just going to do what we've always been doing. If you're. If you're. Which is what, Cultivating the earth, cultivating the. Expanding the temple of God, expanding the garden. And so you got to think about the downstream implications of what, what you're allowing yourself to buy into from. From different preachers and pastors and teachings. You got to go back to that Genesis 1:28 and think, is this line up with the vision of humans cultivating the garden, expanding out that garden, or is it a retreatist mindset? The world's going to hell in a handbasket. Because if the world's going to hell in a handbasket and we're just waiting on the Rapture, then why in the world do we need to be worried about cultivating anything? The whole thing's going to burn, Remember? The whole thing's going to hell in a handbasket. We don't do anything. We just got to get out of here. But if, on the other hand, God is going to renew the earth through us, and the Bible says what? That the creation itself, self is. Is longing for the sons of God to be revealed. Romans 8. Why is it longing? Because it's longing to be renewed. And it will be through the agency under the dominion of us humans, that that will be accomplished. So that's the better picture throughout Scripture. Not hunker down. We're getting out of here. Don't worry about this place. That's not how we live. We live. This place matters because God's going to be here, and this will be his temple throughout the entire cosmos. And we're going to agents who are going to build that. We are going to be the agents that will, under our Vice Regency, we're going to expand out the place that God will dwell with his people. That's a different story.

[Zach]

No, that's really good. In fact, when you were saying that, Zach, I was thinking directly in the context of where we've been studying. First John, hear these words in the context of what we've been discussing here for the last 20 minutes. This is First John 3. 18. Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth. So this is the idea about living and why we live. The way we do. This, then, is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence. I mean, that sounds like we're pretty confident, right? I mean, we're living in that. We know that whenever our hearts condemn us. So in other words, even though we still have moments, we are at rest in his presence. Why? Because God is greater than our hearts and he knows everything. And I love that idea that that's how you can. We're working wide open, but we're at full rest in terms of knowing what's coming, knowing eternities out there. I mean, it's. I don't know, it's just.

[Jay]

It's the new creation Sabbath.

[Zach]

Yeah. I mean, look at that.

[Jay]

You think he's using that phrase

[Jason]

by

[Jay]

accident, that he sets our hearts at rest in his presence?

[Jason]

Well, the rest does not mean. In the context of what you just read, it doesn't mean vacation.

[Zach]

No, because he said to begin with, remember, do. It's about action. It's about Adam.

[Jay]

He rested Adam in the garden. To work it.

[Jason]

To work it.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And so the idea of the rest, it's not like heaven's going to be a perpetual vacation and leisure. What it's going to be is that just means that, like when God rested. Does that mean God's just chilling now? He's not doing anything. He doesn't. He's just. No, he still sustains the universe.

[Jay]

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because when it says he rested when Jesus came along on the scene, where is that verse where he says, my Father is working? I'm gonna have to look it up. Talk amongst yourselves.

[Zach]

Well, I was gonna say this, Zach, to the Jason's earlier point, while he's looking that up, that you think about it, the idea of being with somebody, and he used the illustration of you and Jill and The houses. But so in a couple of weeks I'm going on a cruise with my grandkids and it's on a Carnival cruise. I hate Carnival cruises. I mean, for me personally and you know, you've had some bad experiences, but

[Jason]

hey, Al, that's like going into an MRI machine for me.

[Zach]

Well, it sort of is, but I'm super excited about the trip. But not because of the mode we're traveling. I don't like any of that. I don't like this ship. I don't like being on the thing now I can't even eat the food. It was the guys burgers. I can't even eat any of that stuff. But the idea that all my grandkids are going to be with me and they're so excited last night they're all looking up the excursions and they were so pumped about it because they've never done one. So because it's them and I get a whole week to spend with them, I'm super excited about it. Even though there's no tenants of it that I would personally enjoy without them being there.

[Jason]

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[Zach]

Health cost sharing really helped Lisa and I when she was going through her cancer because the insurance so high, but they don't pay. And so these guys walking alongside was fantastic.

[Jason]

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[Jay]

Again, I'm sorry. I tuned out once you said you couldn't eat a burger, and I thought, what?

[Zach]

Well, not the way I used to. I can eat a burger, but I have to do some things to make it PhD friendly.

[Jay]

Well, speaking of unfulfilled prophecies, because I ate a lot of burgers, so I'll probably.

[Zach]

I was gonna say the crap you. The stuff you eat, I cannot eat it at all. The fact is, you're still skinny, and your metabolism burns it up is quite amazing because you eat hardly anything healthy, and yet you are what you are.

[Jay]

So whatever.

[Zach]

God made this unique creature in you, Jay.

[Jay]

Well, as a wise man once said,

[Zach]

he only had a whole bag of chips just in one sitting,

[Jay]

I realized that's not a good thing.

[Zach]

Or a whole king cake.

[Jason]

Yeah,

[Zach]

it is funny.

[Jay]

That last king cake that I got,

[Zach]

did you ate the whole thing? Oh, yeah.

[Jay]

Well, Missy ate one piece. But look, when she got there, I said, never gonna guess, and never gonna guess. Adam brought us a king cake. I said, I went ahead and sampled the first piece. And so she went in there to get her piece, and she said, said, you're calling that a piece? A quarter of it. One quarter. I just. So let me.

[Zach]

All right, what's the verse?

[Jay]

So remember when God rested. I got that in quotations after. Now, here's what I want. I want to say this because I think it's important. Zach's smarter than me, so he can probably elaborate on this. But.

[Zach]

But.

[Jay]

So when at each day of creation, after something was created, he would say, and it was evening. Yeah, he said it was good, but he said it was evening and then morning. I think that is the phrase. But when he got to the seventh, the last time, it doesn't say that. So I believe that that's kind of the time is now. We're ready to live eternally.

[Zach]

You're in the seventh day, is what you say. Yeah.

[Jay]

The seventh day was like a timeless moment. Now, then, when sin happened and you get introduced to this nation that God raises up and he gives them the laws, and he has this Sabbath day, which would become a foreshadowing of this, what we just read, that we can rest in his presence in Jesus because of what he accomplished. So there's no other explanation why Jesus went around doing all these things on the Sabbath. He knew it was going to make them say, wait a minute now, hang on. Why did Jesus do that over and over and over again? What possible is he just picking on them? Cause your view of why Jesus is doing that has to matter. He's either trying to poke fun at him, or he's saying there's something bigger going on in this. You keeping the Sabbath. There's a.

[Zach]

Cause it's a good point. Because the principle behind the law of the Sabbath, because it was one of the 10, was the idea that a person, even though working, needs a day of rest in a work week. So there was a principle behind. But you're right, but they took that then as being everything, like it was all about the danger.

[Jay]

And I'm not knocking the principle, I'm just saying Jesus offered something bigger that was pointing to me. I'm talking about, you can be with me forever. You want to have some rest and experience that.

[Zach]

Well, just think about the arrogance though, J. They're telling the Son of God and I realize they didn't believe he was the Son of God, but they're telling him, no, we're going to tell you there, Son of God, how you're going to do the Sabbath. And he's like, no, because I was there when the whole thing was created. And the reason we did it this way was not for you to do the Sabbath. It was the Sabbath was for you. Remember he said that. He said, you've got it backwards.

[Jay]

Well, and now I feel like this healing at the pool. And this is where it was. I can't believe I didn't know that. But, but. So Jesus heals this guy 38 years. Just think about it, 38 years. And he's like, do you want to get well? And sir, verse seven, the invalid replied, I have no one to help me. We talked about that. Jesus said, get up, pick up your mat and walk. What's he need the mat? What's he need the mat for? To remember what just happened here.

[Zach]

You know, to remember he spent 38 years on it.

[Jay]

Yeah, exactly. Now in verse nine, it says the second part, the day on which this took place was a Sabbath. And so the Jews said to the man who had been Healed. It is the Sabbath. The law forbids you to carry your mat. Well, now, here's the other reason why Jesus told him to carry that mat. Oh, is he. He's just trying to make them mad. No, he's trying to provide a little more intellect on who he is. So. But he replied, well, the man who made me well said, pick up your mat and walk. So here he. He's like, what are you, stupid? I've been 38 years, I've been down. This guy healed me. He said, pick up the mat. Guess what? I'm picking up the mat. Because he's looking at this realistically. If someone had that kind of health care power without the aid of any. Just said, do it. You're going to do whatever he tells you to do. There's a lesson in here for us all.

[Zach]

The same guy, Jason, John, I remember, said the same thing. The guy that had been born blind and then he healed him. They were like, well, who was this guy? I don't know. But whoever he was, I'm with him.

[Jay]

You go do your own investigation. I'm with him. So they asked him, well, who is this fellow? Who told you to pick it up and walk? But just, you have to take time out here. Where's the celebration? Where's the happiness? Where's the. Oh, could this guy actually be the Messiah? Where is that? How would you have that kind of power? It can't be a trick.

[Zach]

He was an imitative 38 and everybody knew him.

[Jay]

He's not even a doctor. Yeah, nope, none of that. That's how steeped in this that they were. And so they asked him, well, who is this fellow? The man who was healed had no idea who he was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there. Later Jesus found him at the temple, which I think is very powerful because here's the Son of God, created the universe in human form looking for one guy who he's already healed. Just think how powerful that is. If you were that guy.

[Zach]

It's the 99 and the 1.

[Jay]

God's looking for you. He wants to have a conversation. See you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you. The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who made him Well, I read all that to say this, verse 16. So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Just think of who you're with. They're persecuting the Son of God, whose idea was to have the Sabbath. If, if he was with God in the beginning in the first place. But Jesus said to them, here's the verse. My Father is always at his work. Well, wait a minute here. I thought he was resting. Where did this come from? So maybe your idea of resting is not what the Bible's definition is, is my point. He is always at his work to this very day. And guess what? And I, too, am working.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jay]

So it doesn't mean what you think it means, is all I'm saying.

[Zach]

And then when he says. When he says things like, come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest, he's not saying, I've got a retirement plan for you. That's not what he's saying at all. He's talking about if you're tired of trying to do it on your own and save yourself, I. I got. I got something way better for you. But it's going to be a workhouse. Once you get in, I mean, you know, but a good workhouse.

[Jason]

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[Zach]

Yeah, Zach, Shopify has been a big part of Duck Commander for years. It powers our store and is, you know, it's one of the reasons why we've had a lot of success.

[Jason]

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[Jay]

Full transparency. I've owned Shopify shares for years.

[Jason]

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[Zach]

In fact, you would lose purpose, Zach. I mean, to your point, I mean, you would lose purpose in life. And I like what you were just saying about this idea of that study, because when things happen, even to this day, like we were up there a year and a half ago with you guys when that hurricane hit, and man, all of a sudden all the things you knew were turned upside down. There was a palpable feeling of that this. That could have turned sideways and did people started breaking into cars to steal gasoline and remember, Zach, some of that early stuff. And then even me when I would drive by and there's 200 people, like surrounding a convenience store, I was like, they're fixing to break into that. I mean, like, they're desperate. Like they've been, they Just they all walked over there to this convenience store close to where our house was, because they were in cars that can't go anywhere. They're all sitting on the side of the interstate. And I was just watching it, and it felt like in 24 hours that whole thing could have devolved into a. Some kind of movie. And it was just all based on a scarcity mindset. Yeah, yeah, scarcity mindset is there, but. But the opposite of that can happen when what I just witnessed this ice storm, Jason. We were without power. People are out, neighbors are checking on each other. The guy was just here a couple of days ago telling me about. He had a vehicle that could get around, so he was going and taking gas to people. And he said we couldn't get all the way to where they were. So we had to agree that someplace we could drive to a certain point and then walk the rest of the way so I could give him a five gallon thing of gas for his house. And I was thinking like, well, that's the idea. If in scarcity and difficulty that we help each other. I mean, that's the kingdom mindset. It's totally different. Versus if you're only looking out for yourself, that you're only thinking, I got to get mine. Which is completely the opposite of everything we're talking about here. Right.

[Jay]

Well, and that verse says that when it says, if anyone, after he defines love in 1 John 3:16, Jesus Christ laid down his lost, and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions, sees his brother in need, but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?

[Zach]

That's the perfect point.

[Jay]

It can't. So I'm proud of AI for the first time. I throw a lot of rocks at it, but I typed in. Does the Bible ever talk about retirement? Here's the answer. The modern concept of retirement, completely stopping work to pursue personal leisure is actually not in the Bible. Boom.

[Zach]

Boom.

[Jay]

Wow.

[Zach]

Hey, I just crossed into Di.

[Jason]

Hey, look, I'm gonna tell you something. The great. This is one of the greatest sermons ever given. He's gotta go. And there's. There's one. One little section of it that it's the. It's like the crux of the sermon. And it was in the 90s, and it was by John Piper at Passion. And he basically told this story, it's been known as the Seashell Sermon. And so he basically tells this story of this couple who moves to Punta Gorda, Florida, and he's reading a brochure a retirement brochure. And he's basically saying where they spend their days, picking up seashells. And then he juxtaposes that with these two older women that were, I think, in their 80s that went to do mission work overseas and they died by accidentally driving their car off a cliff stuff. And he's like, what? How do you want to go out? Like, picking up seashells. That's how you want to spend the rest of your day, is picking up seashells on the. He's like, that is a tragedy. And these other women, literally, they're. They're in their 80s serving Jesus on the mission field and just drive off a cliff. He says, that's how I want to go out. And it's like, I mean, if you listen to this sermon, you don't want to run to a brick wall, then there's something wrong with you. I mean, it'll fire you up. No retirement.

[Jay]

Well, it actually summarized saying, you may retire from a secular job or career, but the biblical principle is that you never retire from serving God. Amen. So, look, I think the retirement is when you die in Christ, because then you're leaning on his bow. He's working through you, in you, with you.

[Zach]

It's not your work, it's his work.

[Jay]

Well, right.

[Zach]

And we always say that when we even talk about testimony. It's not my story story. It's. It's God's story, you know, but it's lived through us because then when we die, to ourselves, that's when the intersection happened and we became in him and him and us as we've been talking about. So good stuff.

[Jason]

Hey. Well, one thing I know, we're about out of time. I did want to just answer the question we started with here is. Because I think I have the answer based on everything we just said. Is. Is. Is today. If you're listening to this podcast, is it the end of the world? Is this it? And the answer is this. Is this. We don't know. It could be, but we don't know. So I don't know.

[Jay]

Well, the better question is, are you ready?

[Zach]

Are you ready?

[Jason]

Are you ready?

[Jay]

Would it surprise you when he comes back? That's first. Thessalonians 5, 4.

[Zach]

That.

[Jay]

That is the profound question. So it's who you're with for how long? And will this day of the lord surprise you first? Thessalonians 5.

[Zach]

Four questions to ponder. Until next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.