Ep 1282 | Jase Faces His Most Public Emergency Ever & Love Your Neighbors Before It’s Too Late

Summary

Episode Overview

Title: Ep 1282 | Jase Faces His Most Public Emergency Ever & Love Your Neighbors Before It’s Too Late
Podcast: Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Date: March 4, 2026
Hosts: Jase, Al, Zach
Theme:
The Robertson family dives deep into the biblical command to love your neighbor, exploring how the message of 1 John and the story of Moses reflect God's desire for relationship with humanity. Jase shares a comical—if embarrassing—personal emergency, which segues into robust discussion on law, sin, intercession, and the presence of God. The episode blends personal stories, theological insights, and vintage Robertson wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Banter & the Challenge to Love (00:23–02:10)

• Opening Connection: The hosts joke about expressing their love for each other. Jase refuses to say "I love you" to Zach, joking, “I’m saving that for that special moment.” (00:51, Jase)
• Biblical Foundation: Al connects this banter to 1 John, stressing, "Gotta love one another. That's exactly where we're going today." (01:04, Al)
• Reflection on Love: Jase adds substance, quoting 1 Corinthians 13: “When I tell someone I love them, I have First Corinthians 13 in mind. ...It's not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs.” (01:16, Jase)

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2. Jase’s Treasure Hunt & Public Emergency Story (02:10–14:03)

• The Treasure Hunt:
  • Jase recounts a recent treasure-hunting excursion with “Randy Redneck,” finding Civil War bullets and artifacts.
  • Jase describes Randy’s excitement: “This is one of the most funny human beings I've ever met... he’s just like a little kid out there.” (04:53, Jase)
  • They find a new campsite with many bullets and relics: “I found most of that stuff in an hour in one spot.” (06:04, Jase)
• The Emergency:
  • After exertion and weather changes, Jase faces a sudden, urgent bathroom need:
    “I gotta make it to that truck and I've gotta go drive somewhere.” (09:43, Jase) “If you see a man running across a field carrying a whole roll of paper towels... you don't have to have any explanation.” (12:37, Jase)
  • Locals recognize Jase, honk, and yell as he sprints for cover, making for “the most public emergency” he’s faced.
  • The story draws laughs from the hosts:
    “You're not running to a meet and greet.” (12:43, Al)
    “It was gone in 60 seconds. It’s like that movie.” (13:16, Jase)

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3. Relating to Human Weakness: Al’s MRI Story & Godfather Favors (14:14–17:39)

• Al’s Health Struggle:
  • Al shares about his prostate checkups and fear of enclosed MRI machines: “I made myself and the almighty God a promise the last time I was in that machine that I would never get in here again.” (15:04, Al)
  • To solve his problem, Al calls in an old favor from a doctor whose wedding he officiated—“that’s the old way!” (17:48, Al)
• Zach’s Tech Obsession:
  • Zach jokes about finding solutions through AI, reinforcing his interest in future technology: “I would have just got on Claude or Chat GPT and said, find me what I'm looking for.” (17:51, Zach)

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4. Theological Deep Dive: Sin, Law, and the Desire for God’s Presence (18:06–46:07)

a. 1 John & the Law of Love

• Jase introduces 1 John 3, focusing on being pure “just as he is pure,” and connects sin as “lawlessness” not merely as breaking rules, but as relational:
  “He sums up the law saying, love God and love your neighbor.” (21:30, Jase)
• Al highlights that the commandments themselves are relational—half focused on God, half on others.

b. Connecting with Exodus: The Golden Calf and Moses as Intercessor

• Jase recounts the story of Exodus 32–33 in detail:
  • God, after Israel’s idolatry, says to Moses: “Your people whom you brought up out of Egypt have become corrupt.” (29:23, Jase)
  • Moses boldly pleads with God on Israel’s behalf, arguing for God’s reputation and His promises:
    “Why should the Egyptians say it was the evil intent that he brought them out to kill them?” (31:50, Jase)
• Issue of God “relenting” or “changing His mind” discussed—Jase and Al weigh in:
  • “God doesn't get surprised on things. ...He works inside because of us.” (42:00, Al)
  • Moses acts as an intercessor, foreshadowing Christ’s ultimate intercession.

c. Typology and God’s Ultimate Desire

• Zach labels Moses a “type” of Christ:
  “The word is a typology... you see it in the Old Testament, and it's a copy of Christ to come.” (43:25, Zach)
• The group reflects on the true meaning of “The Promised Land”:
  • “The place doesn’t matter to me if your presence isn’t there. ...You are the point of the whole thing.” (45:02, Zach)
  • God’s intention is not about a place, but presence—wanting to dwell with His people.
• Al connects Israel’s story to contemporary faith:
  • The baptismal symbolism between Exodus, Red Sea, and Christian rebirth—“there’s this like symbolic baptism that they go through.” (47:15, Al)

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5. Sin, Lawlessness, and the Purpose of Christ’s Sacrifice (46:50–54:41)

• Sin is described as more than breaking rules; it’s “missing the mark,” leading to chaos and heartbreak (Jase, 48:31).
• Zach draws an analogy: “Sin doesn't grow anything. It only grows in things... Be killing sin or sin will be killing you.” (51:18, Zach)
• Jase reads from Hebrews 2–3, highlighting the need for Jesus to be “made like his brothers in every way” and to become the ultimate high priest and atonement (52:00, Jase):
  • “We are now God's house... And he fills us up with fire and his presence if we hold onto our courage.” (53:26, Jase)
  • The passage urges listeners to not “harden your hearts” as Israel did.

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6. Memorable Closing Reflections (54:42–56:01)

• Al brings up Moses’ self-sacrifice—how he died on the mountain, emblematic of the true atonement yet to come in Christ.
• Jase connects his Civil War relics to the urgent call to love:
  • “There was a time where... we’re shooting those things at each other... we lost our love for God and our love for one another, and this is the result.” (55:26, Jase)
• Al poignantly sums up: “Those bullets were piled up there. They were meant for the hearts of your neighbor. ... Which shows you what happens when sin reigns.” (55:54, Al)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “When I tell someone I love them, I have First Corinthians 13 in mind.” – Jase (01:16)
• “This is one of the most funny human beings I've ever met. ...[Randy] is just like a little kid out there.” – Jase (04:53)
• “If you see a man running across a field carrying a whole roll of paper towels, you don't have to have any explanation.” – Jase (12:37)
• “I made myself and the almighty God a promise the last time I was in that machine that I would never get in here again and get cooped up in this.” – Al (15:04)
• “God doesn't get surprised on things... He works inside because of us.” – Al (42:01)
• “The place doesn't matter to me if your presence isn't there. ...You are the point of the whole thing.” – Zach (45:02)
• “Sin doesn't grow anything. It only grows in things... Be killing sin or sin will be killing you.” – Zach (51:18)
• “We are now God's house... And he fills us up with fire and his presence if we hold onto our courage.” – Jase (53:26)
• “Those bullets were piled up there. They were meant for the hearts of your neighbor. ... which shows you what happens when sin reigns.” – Al (55:54)

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Major Timestamps for Important Segments

• Family Banter and Introduction to 1 John: 00:23–02:10
• Jase's Treasure Hunt & Emergency: 02:10–14:03
• Al’s MRI Story & Godfather Favours: 14:14–17:39
• Theological Deep Dive—1 John, Exodus, Sin/Lawlessness: 18:06–46:07
• Typology, Presence of God, Promised Land Discussion: 43:25–48:31
• Sin as Cancer, Hebrews Reading, Christ as True Moses: 48:31–54:41
• Connect Civil War Relics to Love Thy Neighbor: 55:26–56:01

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Tone and Style

Throughout the episode, the Robertson family maintains their signature mix of Southern warmth, everyday humor, and deep Bible study. Personal anecdotes (from Jase’s “public emergency” to Al’s MRI struggles) humanize the hosts and make the discussions relatable. The biblical study is earnest and thorough, with robust debate, humility, and practical application for listeners.

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Summary

This episode of Unashamed with the Robertson Family weaves together humor, vulnerability, and scriptural wisdom. It urges listeners to cherish God’s presence above all, understand sin as a relational breakdown, and to claim love for neighbor as the antidote to chaos and division. The stories—from digging up Civil War bullets to enduring awkward medical scans—make the episode honest, memorable, and truly unashamed.

Transcript

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[Jase]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Al]

Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. Our trio of Bible study warriors.

[Jase]

And we're family.

[Al]

And we're family, Zach. You're our family. We're just a Louisiana family with you. From North Carolina. Have we told you we loved you lately?

[Jase]

No.

[Zach]

Yeah. In fact, Jace has never told me that. So not only lately, ever.

[Jase]

I'm saving that for that special moment.

[Al]

I'm waiting. I am waiting.

[Jase]

Well, hey, First John, you gotta love one.

[Al]

Gotta love one another. That's exactly where I like that. He's doing it out of. Out of a compulsion, Zach. Of a command to love you.

[Jase]

Yeah, I'll take what I can get.

[Al]

You know what I mean?

[Jase]

Can't be choosers. When I tell someone I love them. I have First Corinthians 13 in mind. And so when you say that, that is a responsibility.

[Al]

It is.

[Jase]

I mean, when you think about the definition of love, it's not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. It does not rejoice in evil.

[Al]

I mean, one of the ver. The message. I use that a lot when I'm doing weddings and read that text and it says it doesn't revel when others grovel, which is a pretty good point. In other words, you don't. You don't rejoice when other people are hurting. So I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, that's. That's a good point. Because that's exactly where we're going to be that be at later today. And First John 3.

[Jase]

Central component of First John. But I wanted to share. I had a. I had a day off yesterday, and so we got the band together kind of figuratively because Murray had. Had a surgery. Not sure on what body part. When you. You know, when you start getting into your 80s, things.

[Al]

Things are breaking down. That is there.

[Jase]

And so he's like, hey, I just need to get out and go. So we planned on. On a little treasure hunt. And he wound up not being able to go because the wind. I don't know if you noticed this yesterday. The wind was blowing, I would say at 30 to 40 miles an hour.

[Al]

It was. Yeah. It reminded me of being on the Gulf coast where it's As I see wind like that, you don't see it that much up here. I was. I was nervous about it because there's still a few hanging limbs here and there. And I was like, whoa.

[Jase]

Fortunately, I was in a place where there were no limbs because I was in fields as far as the eye

[Al]

could see where you want to be right now.

[Jase]

And we.

[Al]

We were.

[Jase]

We have a. I have a good relationship with a farmer over there, and I got his son into duck hunting. There's more than one way to get an invite, Zach. And when you have a farmer who has a lot of land and his son wants to get into duck hunting, I thought, ooh, I'll take care of his duck hunting needs, and we'll have an unmentioned trade here. I just need access, because he don't care. He's farming. He's like, go out there and find anything you want. And so when I did that, it was then the catalyst. He sent me that text. He's like, you got a green light to anything I own. Knock yourself out. So we were out there at these fields, but. And so me and Randy went. Randy. I call him Randy Redneck. He worked for us on Duck Family Treasure. He was like our key grip. Because these Hollywood people, you know, they're like, hey, let's do a TV show. Problem is, none of them knows how to be a survivor in a redneck world. They're like, we'll go to a place, and it's like, what are we gonna do when we're not treasure hunting? Well, you know, we fish and we do all these things, but they have no idea of that concept. So I needed a scout to where it's like, Randy, you go to these places where we're gonna treasure hunt, and then you figure out what we're gonna do in the spare time. So we needed a guy, so he was kind of working for them. He'd haul all our stuff over there so we didn't have to carry it. And we actually turned him around. Cause I was like, this is one of the most funny human beings I've ever met. I mean, the excitement level of Randy when he finds something. I love treasure hunting with him. He's just like a little kid out there. Just, ooh, let's get it. So we go there in a field that we've hunted, I'd say, a dozen times, and I sent you a picture. I've hunted this place a dozen times. Did you get the picture, Zach?

[Zach]

Yeah, I did. All the bullets and all the.

[Jase]

Look, that was Murray just calling me when I picked up my phone. He can't get over it because we sent him that picture. He called him? No, he didn't get to go because the wind was so bad that I'm going to have to send him a message. If he only knew that I'm talking about him right now.

[Al]

So those are all bullets?

[Jase]

Well, let me look at what I sent you. So the vast majority of them. Look, I found all that and we'll. I'll. The lovely Maddie will put that picture up. I found most of that stuff in an hour in one spot.

[Al]

Wow.

[Jase]

Here's what's funny.

[Al]

So that was a little campsite or something.

[Jase]

I found a campsite because, look, we hunted where we've always hunted. We weren't finding anything. So I was like, take off that way, Randy. I'll take off this way. If we find something good, you know, we'll call each other. That was the plan. He has his phone, I have my phone, but we have earphones on. And so while I go out there, look, I find a bullet and then I look around and I see two or three laying on. On top of the ground.

[Al]

Wow.

[Jase]

I thought, oh. And then it's just. I just start finding stuff. Well, I start calling Randy. Well, I'm seeing Randy. He's 7, 800 yards away. It's just there. It's as far as you could see, field, but he's pointing the other direction and he's not answering his phone because he's listening, looking. Well, I went back to hunting. Then I'd stop and call him. He's not paying attention to his phone, which is understandable.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jase]

And so finally, after I found about three quarters of that, I just start. Every so often I would look at him and start waving my arms. And finally I saw his hand go up because he saw me. And so he. Here he comes. Looked like he was running on the. On the rose. Here he comes wide open across. Across the field. But by the time he got there, well, I didn't realize this was a very small place that I had under that I had discovered that previously was undiscovered. And so of course, he didn't find much because I done.

[Al]

So some of these were necklaces because I can see the hole in them. Right. They wore it around their neck. You think these ones with the little hole in them. Necklaces, like, see those right there? See how they got the little hole? Oh, well, when do you think that

[Jase]

that was the stuff in my hand? They weren't necklaces per se. Maybe that one. There's one of them. One of them is a little tag that had Providence because we were in Lake Providence. One of them is a tax token in my hand.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jase]

And none of this has been cleaned up. And one of them is a spur, Al.

[Al]

Yeah, I see that. What's that red. The red wheel well?

[Jase]

That was a plastic thing that was just laying on top of the ground. I didn't find that with my detector. It was because there was a little house site right next to it. It was real small, but it was like early 1900s. But all that Civil War stuff.

[Al]

And those are all Civil War bullets, right? That's what that is.

[Jase]

They are.

[Al]

Okay. And I sell some balls in there too.

[Jase]

The round ball, musket balls, whatever they call them.

[Al]

But yeah, it was something.

[Jase]

Oh, it was.

[Al]

Look, that had to been fun.

[Jase]

It was so much fun. And somewhere in that, we had had about a 30, 40 degree temperature change. And so when we first got out there, I had a jacket on. And look, it was weighing my bag down so much, I couldn't. It was pulling my pants down. It went from cold to hot. I was sweating. And all of a sudden a pain hit me. And I was like, Randy. Because we're out. We're pretty close to a highway and we're out in ball open field. And you know, it's like, Zach's so obsessed with AI and all this. It's not going to tell you how to take care of that problem.

[Zach]

Not yet.

[Jase]

Because I got a problem here. And I'm about half a mile from my truck. There's no trees, there's a highway. I'm a famous person and I'm like, I gotta make it to that truck and I've gotta go drive somewhere.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jase]

And. Cause I had a roll.

[Al]

Cause you just got out there on the side of the road. This winds up a viral video.

[Jase]

Oh, yeah. And I was thinking that, well, here's what's funny. I didn't mean to tell this story because I know this is lowbrow humor. It wasn't funny to me because the pain had hit me. And so I'm carrying this, you know, eight pounds of baggage, and I'm sweating. I have a jacket. And I just like, I'm not sure I'm going to make this, pull this off. I go to the truck and I start getting delirious. You know, I mean, the pain is just rapidly accelerating. This guy has a lot of access. And I thought to, you know, properties. I was like, got to find somewhere in this field that has a group of trees. So I'm driving sporadically down the highway.

[Al]

Remember old Blue, the lab dog we had that had really good instincts but really bad manners?

[Jase]

He was the best retriever I've ever seen. Terrible manners.

[Al]

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[Jase]

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[Al]

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[Jase]

Look, there's a little grove of cypress trees like a couple hundred yards from the road. And I was like, I remember that spot because I can go below the surface. It was. It was a little. Little creek box that's been saying if

[Al]

there's cypress, there had to be water.

[Jase]

Here's what's fun. Here's where this got funny. I pull off on the side of the road, get out, paper tow taking off. You know, the bag, the jacket, and I take off. But everybody is driving down the road. They all know who I am. They're blowing the horn.

[Al]

Oh, boy.

[Jase]

As I'm running across the field, I hear people hollering, rolling down the window.

[Al]

You're not running to a meet and greet.

[Jase]

They know what's happening. If you see a man running across a field carrying a whole roll of paper towels, you don't have to have any explanation. Headed toward a grove of trees, I literally jumped down the bank. Jumped.

[Al]

Oh, gosh.

[Jase]

Out of sight, nothing sticking up by my head.

[Al]

The only good news about this, Jay, is because the state you were in, that curve of it, it wasn't going to be long. You weren't going to be there long

[Jase]

now it was gone in 60 seconds. It's like that movie.

[Al]

You know what's funny, Zach, is that someone in Lake Providence, in about two or three months, is on their podcast, is going to be stalking this. What they see in this cypress grove.

[Jase]

Oh, no, Al, that's safe. In fact, here's what's funny. When I get back to my truck, well, the farmer pulls up, and he's like, what are you doing? Because he was looking at me. I didn't have my equipment on. He's like, well, y' all wanted here many times. I was like, no, I was hunting down there in the ball open field. I was like. I had a. Had a pain. What I want to recommend is stay away from that little Cyprus.

[Al]

Give that area a minute.

[Jase]

Yeah. Give it a couple days, and it'll be all right. But. So anyway, it was. It was fun, but we laughed about it, and we went back to hunting.

[Al]

They don't. And for treasure hunting, they don't have the porta potties just nearby.

[Jase]

I don't know what else you could do. Yeah, that stuff, it happens.

[Al]

So it's funny you mentioned. So while you were doing that, I had. I had some. I have. I don't know if I've ever talked about on the podcast, but I have some prostate issues from time to time. And so I went in, see my checkup, see the doctor, and. And Hannah is her name. She's like a pa. And so she said, we're gonna have to do another MRI on you. And I was like, oh, man. Because I told her so. Well, look, here's the deal. I know we got to do it, but I made myself and the almighty God a promise the last time I was in that machine that I would never get in here again and get cooped up in this. These things are brutal.

[Jase]

Yeah, it looks like a coughing.

[Al]

Yeah, you're in. And I'm very claustrophobic. And so I made it through it by the grace of God. But I'm telling you, I prayed the whole time. I sweated. You talking about sweating? So I said, I got to do something different. Like there's got to be some alternative. She said, well, I think they got these more open ones around. We'll call around, find out. I said, well, look, because I'm not doing that again, so whatever has to happen. We got to do something different. I know I have to have it, but. So her little guy calls him back, said, we can't really find what you're looking for. So Zach gave me the idea. When you said Murray, it made me think to tell the story. So it was Murray's son in law is a doctor.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Al]

And neurologist is what he does, but. But he's the guy that knows people and knows things. So I texted him, I said, hey, your old pal Al needs your assistance. Give me a call. So he sends me like. So that was several hours. And finally later, he sends me a text back, said, al, question, question, question. Like he didn't know who I was. It's been a minute since I've texted boy. So I, I said, robertson. So he called me right up. He said, I didn't know that was your number, you know, you hadn't talked to him in a while. I said, I know. I said, how long have you been married? Here was my lead in. Said, how long you been married? He said, 25 years this year, which is hard to believe. I did his wedding and his premarital counseling, and he was in medical school at that point. I said, do you remember what I told you? And you were going to give me like some little measly, you know, Chili's gift card or something for doing your wedding and your thing. And you remember what I told you? I. I wouldn't take it. And he said, you said, one day when you're a doctor, you'll have a need. You'll cash it in, and you'll cash it in. He said, is this the day? I said, this is the day. The favor I need is from you. So I told him my situation, and he said, I can take care of it. And I was like, because they do a sedated version of it, they don't really advertise that, I think, because they'd rather you just suffer through it. So they can sedate you to do an MRI on these machines. Because some people are like me, are just used.

[Jase]

Can't.

[Al]

I couldn't do it again. I did it once.

[Jase]

It gets in our DNA. I get in the elevator and I'm.

[Al]

I'm like, I don't like it. I don't like it. I'd rather walk the steps if I can. You know, a lot of times Lisa will get one. I'll be like, especially if you're in Europe. They're so small. Yeah. I'm like, no stairs. I'll just carry whatever I got so, yeah, so I. So he. Sometimes you got to cash it in. I've got two other physicians that I did their weddings as well, and I told them the same thing. So I got a couple of more favors to cash in. Zach is like the godfather of ministry.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Al]

You know, one day I'll have a need, and then I'll call that need in. So I'm waiting to hear about it.

[Zach]

You got a. You got a Rolodex of needs.

[Al]

That's right. And that's. That's the way it worked. That was the old way.

[Zach]

What I would have done is I would have just got on Claude or Chat GPT and said, find me what I'm looking for.

[Jase]

Zach, I really think you're overly obsessive about the coming AI. I tried to cover this when I talked about the di.

[Zach]

Oh, Geo got mad at me about it. I have nowhere to go. I can't talk about it on here. I can't talk about it with my wife. So I'm like.

[Jase]

Well, for our viewers, Zach brought this up before the podcast started. I'm like, zach, we covered this. We're off that. Because Zach kept saying, it's the future.

[Al]

It's the future.

[Jase]

I'm like, I covered. The future that you need to be concerned about is when Jesus appears. We may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming, we shall be like him.

[Zach]

I'm concerned about that. That's my primary concern. But you can have secondary and tertiary concerns as well along the way.

[Jase]

I don't even know what that is.

[Al]

We don't even have our little button anymore for words like that.

[Jase]

Well, I will say this, Neil. I showed you that picture and we're studying First John, and we're at this point where we went through the. When he appears, we shall be like him. I mean, everything's kind of made right now. He made it right by becoming a human, showing us how to live, dying for our sins, being raised, which is what we've been talking about. He's exalted at the right hand of

[Al]

God, which, by the way, let me just interject this. Jace, that thought, because I had a meeting yesterday about Easter Sunday. That's what I want to preach. Easter Sunday. You know, we usually just like, focus on the resurrection of Jesus, which is great. I mean, that's always a good thing to do. But I've been thinking since we've been studying this book about what does that mean for us. So I'm preaching that on Easter Sunday. I'm getting fired up on that, that

[Jase]

we shall be like him is quite a statement. But it's like once he does that, he pivots. And when he says, and you brought this up, I think the last podcast, who knows the order at which they're delivered. But it says First John 3. 3, it says, everyone who has this hope, which he starts off talking about being born, and then he talks about what happens when he comes back. But he also throws that in at the last verse of First John 2, where it says, if you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him. And we had done another rabbit hole about how righteousness, God's righteousness, kind of equates his faithfulness also. And there's a lot in there about he is faithful. And so then he does it again where it's like, this is going to happen, but what's that look like now? And so he brings that up. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself just as he is pure. And then he has this strange verse that says, everyone who sins breaks the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness. So I had brought up the fact, because I think when you think of the law, your mind usually goes to the Ten Commandments, which is summed up,

[Al]

or the 600 and whatever that's recorded, or however you're viewing law. It's one of those, right?

[Jase]

You think about Moses. And I had brought up Exodus 33, about this revealing of God's glory in that process. But, you know, once I kind of studied that in depthly, I added this first John 3, 4, because I thought, man, I mean, here comes Jesus who sums up the law by saying, introducing this aspect of, you know, the relationship with the Father, and he's destroying the barriers to that, giving us access. But he sums up the law saying, love God and love your neighbor. Which, if you look at the Ten Commandments, well, half of them is about your relationship with God and the other half is your relationship with people, everybody else.

[Zach]

I think the stories that we tell our kids, the stories that we tell each other is very important. So I'm super excited about our friend. Tim Tebow came out with a amazing new book. I've been reading it to my kids. It's called if the Tree Could Speak.

[Al]

We had Tim on the podcast, of course, Zach was kind of fanboying, you know, but yeah, because he's a big fan. But James, the book is outstanding.

[Jase]

It is outstanding. I'm not a big book reader besides the Bible, but I've made an exception for this, and I think you will absolutely love this.

[Al]

So it walks through the Jesus crucifixion from the perspective of the cross, which is very unique and different. And the idea is the cross is the one, like speaking into the story, because the cross, if you think about it, was the closest witness to everything that happened on the day Jesus was crucified. It's well written, it's beautifully illustrated. It makes you slow down and really feel the weight of what Jesus did for us. Even if you've heard the Easter story a thousand times, this one will challenge you and deepen your faith. What you get from this book will stick with you long after you put it down, and you'll want to pick it up year after year as you prepare to celebrate Easter. One of the things I loved about it is the tree in the story thinks that his only role is to be an execution place. But then he realizes his real job was to hold Jesus up as the savior of the world. Very powerful. Step inside the story, hear the witness, and experience Easter like never before. Check out Tim Tebow's book if the Tree Could Speak on Amazon. That's if the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow. Order your copy on Amazon today.

[Jase]

I mean, so you start saying, oh, this is. This is kind of making sense. And so when I went to Exodus 33, and we had. We had teased that, because I realized that this glory being revealed and how Jesus ultimately became a better Moses. That's Hebrews 3, which is fascinating. And I'd like to read that at some point in this that we get to not only share in God's love, but God's glory. Now, you have a hint of that when you think about, when he comes back, we shall be like him. We get this glorified state. But there's also, when you read Exodus 33, you feel this. There's something about God being pleased with us that is equated with receiving God's glory. And he says that directly.

[Al]

Of course.

[Jase]

The reason I brought up the sin as lawlessness, because I don't know how y' all would define that, but it made me think, well, you can't really understand Exodus 33 unless you get the whole story here. And Exodus 32 is probably one of the top five most controversial stories in the Bible because it seemingly has God changing his mind. You know, some of the translations actually put that. Yeah, because, you know, when you get the context here, Moses is. Is chosen to be Israel's representative, although he was raised by the Egyptians.

[Al]

Right.

[Jase]

And so it's like he didn't really have a relationship with them. And then he, God, interestingly enough, you know, chooses him. And then you kind of have this picture kind of like he's the new Noah. Because you remember when God chose Noah to survive the planet, basically he builds an ark and he uses the, he builds the ark with, you know, pitch. And what, however is described, make the, the ark out of gopher wood and all this. And you say, what's that got to do with Moses? Well, the little basket that he was in, it's the same word for ark is used.

[Al]

And it's he, he was saved by an ark.

[Jase]

Well, yeah, and he uses the pitch and, and all that. And you're like, ooh, I, I see a, I see a pattern develop where God raises up a person to be a representative. And this is all shadowing ultimately what Jesus being the ultimate human expression would envision. So having said all that and a

[Al]

little, another little caveat, Jace, is that Moses was born. He was. Even though he was raised by the Egyptians, he was born from the Levitical tribe. So he's a priest, you know, because we think of Aaron as being the first priest, but actually Moses had the same pedigree that he could be a priest as well, which is going to be a major kind of like backdrop of the story.

[Jase]

So you have the whole Exodus story, which is hard to sum up in a couple minutes. But we get to this point of, you know, having the commandments, you know, he leads them out of the wilderness this 40 years and you seem like, okay, you know, God's going to give his law, they're going to be his people. Well then, you know, Moses and God have this conversation. And while they're having the conversation.

[Al]

Because it was like a 40 day conversation.

[Jase]

Yeah, for 40 days, which is so bizarre. He's up in the cloud and having a conversation with the almighty God. Meanwhile, the people, God's chosen people, Israel nation, they're busy building a golden calf. And this is in 32. And so maybe we should just read this. I'm doing this off the top of

[Zach]

my head, but this Exodus 32.

[Jase]

Yeah, I wanted to bring this up. And if you're like wondering why we're doing this, you're seeing what God has provided. Fast forward to one John. But when you read that sin is lawlessness and you have this first law being given or the ten Commandments as a way to show the character of God summing up loving God and loving your neighbor.

[Al]

Because you made the point, Jace, before you read it that Moses was raised in the house of Pharaoh and then the people were separate, remember, because they were enslaved, but they were also in Egyptian culture. So this kind of running back to the other gods, I think is kind of their natural instinct has always been my belief, you know, why they did what they did. But go ahead.

[Jase]

So anyway, so that's where we're at, at the Golden Calf. I don't know where we want to pick up there. I want to get to this conversation. In verse 7 of Exodus 32. Then the Lord said to Moses, go down. This is interesting the way the verbiage is because your people whom you brought up out of egyp become corrupt.

[Al]

They're not my people anymore. Yep.

[Jase]

They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, these are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt. I have seen these people. The Lord said to Moses, and they're a stiff neck people. Now leave me alone. Or some translations, give me rest so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I'll make you into a great nation. So you realize what he just said there?

[Al]

It's another reset.

[Jase]

He's like, okay, and look. And God would be justified because they are not doing what they were created to image him. And he's given them every opportunity.

[Al]

In fact, it goes, the very first command was that there's only one God. It's me.

[Jase]

Now remember, I prefaced all this by saying this is one of the more controversial passages in the Bible and I do not claim to be a scholar on this, but I thought we could discuss it because I think it's going to help us understand how us post Jesus's death, burial and resurrection and the pouring out of the spirit can have a relationship, be included in the fellowship, partnership, participation with God Almighty. I think you see a window into this right here. So that's the reset. So Moses, verse 11. But Moses sought the favor of the Lord his God. O Lord, he said, why should your anger burn against your people whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say it was the evil intent that he brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth? Which is kind of shocking that Moses had the courage to say this.

[Al]

Pretty bold.

[Jase]

He's like, well, you. They're going to think that you're evil. I Mean, it's kind of a PR thing. That was his first point. He was like, what is the public perception? Then his second point is this. He says, turn from your fierce anger. Relent, and do not bring disaster on your people. Now, that word relent is where all the controversy comes in, because some other translations are, change your mind or comfort yourself. Say that again.

[Zach]

I think I've heard maybe the phrase repented. Like, does God change his mind?

[Jase]

The King James Version says, repent but relent. You see why they did? Because there's other passages. Like there's one in Malachi that says God doesn't change his plans. So you're like, all right, well, let's keep reading. Now, here's the second point. This first one was a PR thing. He's going to say, well, they're going to say that you have evil intent, that you brought us out, and then you kill us. Remember your servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self, I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, and I will give your descendants all this land. I promise them, and it will be their inheritance forever. So that's the second point. First one is bad priority. It's going to make you look bad. And two, you made a promise, which is. Now that to me, is not only bold, but it's interesting because he's like, well, didn't you make that promise that all these nations.

[Al]

I mean, but if you think about it, theoretically, he could still fulfill that promise through Moses.

[Jase]

True.

[Al]

Back to one.

[Jase]

I think that's a really good point, because that's going to help you wrap your head around. Around this. God's. God's plan could still be accomplished because

[Al]

he'd already done it with Noah, as you pointed out.

[Jase]

So it's not like he's getting him to change his plan, but just in the short term. It's basically like a prayer saying you made a promise. And Moses is like, you know, I've

[Al]

got my opinion, but I'll wait till we get there. So, Zach, as you get a little older, sometimes it's a little hard to get that weight off.

[Zach]

Yeah, I mean, I'm getting older. I don't know what else there is to fill in.

[Al]

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[Jase]

so then verse 14, then the Lord, Uh oh, here's where the controversial verse is. Exodus 32:14. Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. So there it is. So Moses turned, went down the mountain. Now this is not humorous, but

[Al]

it's kind of funny.

[Jase]

It is with the two tablets of the testimony as answered. So he's got the ten commandments here. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back. And remember, these tablets contain half the commandments were about your relationship with God and half of them were relationship with people. The tablets were the work of God. The writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets. Then Joshua heard the noise of the people shouting. He said to Moses, there's a sound of war in the camp. Moses replied, it is not the sound of victory. It is not the sound of defeat. It is the sound of singing that I hear. And when Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned. And he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf they had made and burned it in the fire. Then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water, and made the Israelites drink it

[Al]

like a bad tonic.

[Jase]

And though then so then it gets. There's another rabbit hole here. Because then some of them wind up dying and being sacrifices. You know, there's a big fire that

[Al]

breaks out at some point.

[Jase]

Yeah. And so if. If I skip down to verse 31, it says, so Moses went back to the Lord and said, oh, what a great sin these people committed. They have made themselves gods of gold, but now please forgive their sin. But if not, then blot me out of the book you have written. And I wanted to read this because I think you see some similarities of him being able or willing to sacrifice himself to make atonement for the people. The Lord replied to Moses, whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book. Now go lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin. And the Lord struck the people with a plague because of what had happened with the calf Aaron had made. So there's multiple intercessions that take place along the road. And so when you get to 33, in verse 12, Moses said to the Lord, you have been telling me, lead these people, but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. You have said, I know you by name, and you have found favor in me. If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with you. Remember that this nation is your people. The Lord replied, my presence will go with you, and I will give you rest. Then Moses said, if your presence does not go with us, do not send us up from here. How will anyone know that you are pleased with me? So we have another intercession. I think there are five in total. And with your people, unless you go with us, what else will distinguish me and your people from all other people on the face of the earth? And the Lord said to Moses, I will do the very thing you've asked because I. Here's what I wanted to get to. I am pleased with you, and I know you by name. And that's why I said, this is going to contribute to this glory aspect. Then Moses said, now show me your glory. And the Lord said, I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name. The Lord in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. But he said, you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live. Then the Lord said, there is a place near Me where you may stand on a rock when my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock, cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back, but my face must not be seen. So that's the story. That was the introduction to the law being given. And it's quite the story.

[Al]

Quite the story.

[Jase]

But you have heaven and earth being. What are the words?

[Al]

I would call it an intersection.

[Jase]

Yeah, it's an intersection. And you have a representative and people are involved and you have this human interaction with Moses who's basically saying, don't do it this way. And God relents and says, okay. Then Moses goes down and just loses it. And the process goes on, but it was altered somewhat. However you want to use that with God relenting. And then you have this idea of glory. And the point I want to make, because I know that was a long. You know, we're basically summing up something from 30,000ft in a few minutes. But you see how when Jesus came, it fulfilled all this in the greatest way possible for humans and God to

[Al]

dwell, which is that word presence. That's where you're getting. That is the presence.

[Jase]

Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

So here's my opinion on the. The way that went down. I think God. It was always going to be about Moses. In other words, God doesn't get surprised on things. And so when we look at that word, repent, relent, change. God knew always what was going to happen because he's outside of time and space, but he works inside because of us. So I think the whole point was he knew Moses was going to come down and look at that. Those people and he would have been ready to fry them, you know, which he was. He was so disgusted with him. He breaks the thing and he makes the. The sin and tonic drink for him. And it's just like, you know, this. This is terrible situation. But God had to let Moses get there on his own. It was really interesting because I think he knew what was going to happen. So he kind of provided a. What would you call it, Like a narrative where he's like, I'll just wipe them out and go with you. And. But Moses, oh, no, of course Moses hadn't seen it yet. And God has seen it. So he's like, oh, no, no, no, we can't do that for the reasons you. But he knew Moses was going to see it. Be so infuriated with them and then still, at the end of the day, love him and I love the point you made. Be willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of the people, which was very, very powerful. And it is a. The Hebrew writer tells us it is like a bit of an analogy to Christ.

[Zach]

And so, yeah, the word is a typology.

[Al]

Typology. There you go.

[Zach]

You see it in the Old Testament, and it's a. It's a copy of. Of Christ to come.

[Al]

The.

[Zach]

The Hebrew writer uses that language, copy versus the real thing. One of the things. Yeah, yeah. One thing you see here, too, is if the. At the promised land, if that's a. A typological kind of precursor of the new heavens and the new earth. Because that. Right.

[Jase]

They're.

[Zach]

They're in the journey. Like we're in the new Exodus, right? So that we're in an Exodus right now, and we are awaiting to enter into the promised land. And so I think this kind of matches up with current. Like where we are all at is how many of us have sat in churches for all of our lives. And we thought that the heaven, the Promised land, was a place we were going to get to go to one day. And when we got there, then all the pain would be gone and we could do what we wanted to do and live autonomously in our existence there. And that's kind of how we viewed it. That's how I viewed it. I mean, yeah, sure, you had the idea of worshiping God there, but it was like, that's something that we did there. It wasn't like the core of the whole thing. But what you're seeing in this story as Moses is going, and he's basically saying, I don't. The place doesn't matter to me if your presence isn't there. What makes the place the Promised land? Like, the prize is that you go with me. So if you're not going with me, I'm not going. And I think that that is probably the most important truth of all of the Scripture. And it's why, when you read the book of Exodus, I think it's why I read the Book of Exodus. Not primarily through the lens of God making an atonement for his people. So that does happen. I mean, Moses makes a sacrifice at the altar of the mountain and all that, and then he builds the tabernacle, and then they have the whole offering there. But the point of the whole thing is to be in the presence of God. That is why God told them in Exodus 25 to make the tabernacle so that he may be present or he may dwell with his people. So to Me in this moment, Moses is honestly, I think he picked up on the point of the whole thing. He's like, wait, hold on. If you ain't going, then why, why, why, why do we, why do I need to go? I'm not going to do this without you because you are the point of the whole thing. I've run several businesses throughout my lifetime and I'm telling you, every business is asking the same question right now, which is how do we make AI work for us? With NetSuite by Oracle, you can put AI to work today.

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[Al]

so I think you're right. Zach and Paul uses the same thing you just described in 1 Corinthians 10 and also in 2 Corinthians the first three or four chapters, he uses this that Jase just read as an illustration of exactly how it is for us. Like you talked about the second exodus because he said it was like they were baptized. Remember when they're going through the Red Sea because you had the cloud above the water on the side, so the whole nation comes out. So there's this like symbolic baptism that they go through. But remember a whole generation of those people died in the desert because of stuff like this. Oh, they didn't even make it. So then you get to the shores of the promised land there on the Jordan River. Remember it was in flood stage in the book of Joshua and guess what? He does Another miraculous parting. And then the group that's now the new group, they in essence are baptized again. But it's a whole new generation to go into this. So he uses these languages to show us about this idea of dying to ourselves and then living in him and in his hand. And so even through the physical stuff of the Old Testament, it shows you the beauty of it. For us now we get to literally experience it, because the Holy Spirit of God lives in us. So that presence now, instead of being in the land, he's right here.

[Jase]

That's why I wanted to bring it up. Because even. Even with Noah, the same thing happened after the flood went down. Remember? Look, he had a conversation with God on the top of a mountain, and it says, the ark rested on the top. It's the same language. And you fast forward. In the book of Exodus, you know how the letter ends. The last paragraph is in 4034. When they set up the tabernacle, it says, then the cloud covered the tent of meeting and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. To your point, Al, Moses could not enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled upon it. And the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And all the travels of the Israelites, whenever the cloud lifted from above the tabernacle, they would set out. But if the cloud did not live, they did not set out until the day it lifted. So the cloud of the Lord was over the tabernacle by day, and fire was in the cloud by night in the sight of all the house of Israel during all their travels. And so it gives you this idea. The whole point of this is God wanting to dwell with people, going back to the first sin and this division that happened. God initiates this plan, and you fast forward to the Book of Hebrews, and I feel like we were set up to read that. And this is going to help us understand why John goes to Cain. Because, look, that's the first time the word sin is mentioned when he's like, remember, sin is crouching at your door. And it helps you understand why you have a statement like this. Sin is lawlessness. And sin is described in various forms. Either iniquity, transgression, and all these have different meanings. Even sin itself is used. Not just, oh, I broke the moral code, but you missed the mark. That phrase is used all over the Hebrew letters in just like somebody shooting an arrow. I forgot where that passage is. But it's like. And you missed. But it used to use that word for sin. This is not what you were created to be doing.

[Al]

And by one statement that John says there lets you know that once sin is unleashed, which is why I think he goes to Cain, because that was right after Adam and Eve. You see what happens when sin is unleashed. In other words, when that's what happens, that's the lawlessness that comes in. Because once it's rampant and. And that's the way you live, it destroys everything in its path. That's what it does. I mean, the whole world got flooded.

[Zach]

It's like a cancer. Yes, sin's like a cancer. I heard this one time, it was about theological liberalism, like when basically it invades a church and they move away from the core teachings of the Christian faith. And the phrase was. But you could interchange it with sin, that sin doesn't grow anything. It only grows in things. And so it enters in like a COVID virus, and it starts to spread. And it's one of the reasons why you take it serious as it invades the world. As it enters in, it starts to spread. And the only cure is you have to kill it. Be killing sin or sin will be killing you. And that's kind of the idea of the picture.

[Jase]

I want to read this. So in Hebrews 2, you say, well, why did God become a man? And verse 14 it says, since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity, so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. And then verse 17, it says, for this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and high priest in service to God, the truest representative, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he suffered when he was tempted, he was able to help those. And so when it gets to chapter three, it says, since we share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus. Verse 2 of chapter 3. He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. But Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. Moses was faithful as a servant in all of God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. But Christ is faithful. Remember when I brought up that. Faithful as far as what's right as a son over God's house. And we are his house. That's how God brought this to a personal, intimate level. We are now God's house. And he fills us up with fire and his presence if we hold onto our courage. So then it says. He quotes a psalm here. So if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion during the time of testing in the desert where your fathers tested and tried me and for 40 years saw what I did. That is why I was angry with that generation. Their hearts are always going astray. We just read it. So I declared on oath, in my anger, they shall never enter my rest. Well, there's that concept again. God's rest. See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the confidence we had

[Al]

at the first.

[Jase]

Yeah, at the first. And I think you see this, John, mirroring this concept in this in a different way. And I think. I think it was helpful to look at the historical aspect of this, to kind of wrap your head on for us today to say, oh, I. I get it, right?

[Al]

And the fact that, like I mentioned in 2 Corinthians that in their day, they looked at Moses, remember, he had the glory and it would be fading and had to veil his face. And what's interesting is, in a. In a certain way, Moses did sacrifice himself, because he didn't cross over either. He died on that mountain overlooking it. But it was like he was that final sacrifice for that last passage. And then Joshua took the next group in, which is, you know, pretty amazing.

[Jase]

And I wanted to say in closing, it's like even in my treasure hunt, I found all these bullets and all. But look, you know what hits me when you're thinking about these things? There was a time where here we, as a nation, we're shooting those things at each other. And you know why? Because we're not valuing humans being made by God. We all have the same God. And I thought we lost our love for God and our love for one another, and this is the result.

[Al]

It's a good point, because those bullets were piled up there. They were meant for the hearts of your neighbor.

[Jase]

Exactly.

[Al]

Which shows you what happens when sin reigns. All right, we're out of time. We'll pick it up here next time. Don't run. Ashamed. Thanks for listening. To the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.