Ep 1290 | Korie Robertson Gets Real About Willie’s Love & Their New Tribute to Phil on 'Duck Dynasty'

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1290 | Korie Robertson Gets Real About Willie’s Love & Their New Tribute to Phil on 'Duck Dynasty'

Date: March 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together the Robertson family—including Korie, Jase, Christian, and Jill—for a candid and often humorous reflection on faith, family, and legacy. The conversation weaves together lively stories from their everyday lives, spiritual insights from scripture (specifically 1 John), and behind-the-scenes tales from their A&E show, "Duck Dynasty," including the new season’s heartfelt tribute to Phil Robertson. Korie shares personal thoughts on Willie’s acts of love, while the group discusses what true greatness looks like in a Christian context.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shroud of Turin and Faith Skepticism

[02:44–06:00]

• Korie recounts attending a two-hour presentation on the Shroud of Turin, the purported burial cloth of Jesus, with Dr. Jeremiah Johnson.
• The group jokes about Dr. Johnson’s Western movie namesake and the shroud’s complex history.
• Korie’s skeptical father Johnny changes his mind upon hearing scientific arguments:

  “After today, listening to the two hour presentation and he said he is no longer a skeptic.” – Korie [05:57]

2. Classic Chicken & HOA Tales

[06:00–11:13]

• A humorous trip down memory lane: Christian and Johnny’s feud over keeping chickens in a neighborhood with a Homeowner’s Association.
• The story evolved into TV episodes highlighting Johnny's ability to consider all sides of an argument.
• The Robertsons reminisce about reality show moments and family dynamics, particularly how fun and authenticity shaped "Duck Dynasty."

3. Willie’s Love Language: Acts of Service

[14:01–15:12], [49:54–51:00]

• Discussion of Willie’s affection for working outdoors and keeping the family property tidy—motivated by love, not just task orientation:

  “It's a sacrifice. It's showing his love for us by doing that.” – Korie [50:56]

• Willie’s childhood acts of service, particularly cleaning the yard for his mother Kay, now echo in his dedication to their current family land.

4. Family Updates — New Grandchildren and Community Life

[19:45–21:33]

• Korie and Willie recently welcomed twin granddaughters, bringing their total to 11 grandchildren.
• The extended family enjoys close-knit interactions, trampoline time, and the gentle chaos of growing numbers.

5. New ‘Duck Dynasty’ Tribute to Phil Robertson

[21:33–30:14]

• The family discusses the new season of their A&E show, highlighting the powerful first episode—a tribute to Phil after his passing.
• The episode features interviews with family members, including Kay, and flashbacks weaving Phil’s gospel message throughout.

  “We got to preach the gospel through Phil on this episode… so it's a very special episode. You got to go back and watch that one.” – Korie [29:04]

6. Bible Study: What Is True Greatness?

[30:16–37:27]

• Deep dive into 1 John, focusing on the theme of greatness—not as the world sees it, but as defined by Christ through humility, service, and sacrificial love.

  “Why are you getting all this pressure about trying to be great…when he's making you great?” – Christian [33:40]

• The discussion ties in Jesus’ teaching on greatness (Matthew 18), where he uses a child as the model of true greatness.

7. Sacrifice as Evidence of Love

[43:04–49:31]

• Jill and Korie reflect on personal sacrifices in motherhood and adoption, illustrating that truly great moments often come at great cost.
• Al (via story relayed by Jase) describes practical, intimate service—caring for his wife after surgery—as an act of love that moved both of them deeply:

  “Then she said, and then I knew that he loved me that much, and I was like…I hadn’t heard this before.” – Jace [48:24]

• The group affirms that mundane daily choices to serve one another (from toddler care to land cleanup), not grand gestures, are the heartbeat of Christian greatness.

8. Living “Greater” in Everyday Life

[49:31–52:24]

• The panel shares practical wisdom for embodying Christ’s version of greatness:
  • Korie: Acts of everyday service for the family are her sacrificial expressions of love.
  • Christian: Protecting Missy’s peace by tackling outdoor projects himself.
  • Jill: Being present and engaged with her children in daily life, from school runs to small acts of care.
• The family encourages listeners that each person’s God-given “thing”—be it yardwork, cooking, or baking bread—is meant to be poured out in love for others.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On changing skeptical minds:

  “And after today, listening to the two hour presentation and he said he is no longer a skeptic.” – Korie, reflecting on her dad’s openness after learning about the Shroud of Turin [06:00]

• On acts of service as love:

  “It's a sacrifice. It's showing his love for us by doing that.” – Korie, about Willie’s relentless yardwork [50:56]

• On the tribute to Phil:

  “We got to preach the gospel through Phil on this episode…and for Phil's words to just reverberate again.” – Korie [29:04]

• On what makes greatness:

  “Why are you getting all this pressure about trying to be great and make a name for yourself when he's making you great?” – Christian [33:40]

• On sacrificial love in marriage:

  “This is my job. This is what I'm supposed to do. I need to serve her in this way, and I'm going to learn how to do it…and then I knew that he loved me that much.” – Jace, relaying Al and Lisa’s story [48:24]

• On everyday greatness:

  “It's the little things. It's not necessarily the big things…It's just being present. And I think that's one of the ways we can actually serve the greatest is being in the moment.” – Jill [51:35]

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Important Timestamps

• Shroud of Turin & Shifting Skepticism: [02:44–06:00]
• Chicken & HOA Humor: [06:00–11:13]
• Willie’s Acts of Service: [14:01–15:12], [49:54–51:00]
• New Grandkids & Family Community: [19:45–21:33]
• Phil’s Tribute Episode Details: [21:33–30:14]
• Bible Study on Greatness: [30:16–37:27]
• Sacrifice and Love in Real Life: [43:04–49:31]
• Practical Advice & Everyday Presence: [49:31–52:24]

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers laughs, warmth, and a depth of spiritual encouragement—rooted in the realness and “unashamed” faith of the Robertsons. Listeners come away with a vision for greatness that is humble, sacrificial, and accessible—lived out in the small, daily choices to show up and love each other well. Whether it’s a tribute to a faith-filled patriarch, cleaning up sticks, or just being present for your kids, greatness, to the Robertsons, is found in quiet service and the overflow of God’s love.

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Transcript

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[Christian]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jace]

Welcome back to Unashamed. Jace. It's like we're in a bizarro world.

[Christian]

I was literally thinking that phrase.

[Jace]

We think a lot alike. So, because we get the call, Zach, he's got a big meeting, and he and I were praying this morning about that, and he said Jill was coming. And I get here, and Maddie said, oh, no, Jill's not gonna be here. And I said, I just talked to Zach an hour ago. And then she said, well, Si's coming in. And so that was the last podcast, which was a lot of fun. Jill is back, and now we've replaced Si. Another major upgrade with Corey. Corey, welcome back to us.

[Corey]

Thank you for that introduction. I'm an upgrade from Cynthia. I feel like I'll have a lot, you know, to, like, fulfill if I'm sitting in Cy.

[Christian]

Trust me, the bar's low half of what Cy did not register. I had no idea what he was talking about.

[Jace]

And for those of you that will will probably comment about Jay's interrupting side too much. In Jace's defense, we were just trying to get where we needed to go.

[Christian]

You know, I apologize for interrupting Si, but I. I thought he was like. It was a cry for help a couple times because he started talking.

[Jace]

Well, he would stop and have this

[Christian]

long pause, and I thought, you need Some help, you know, because he was thinking it was.

[Jace]

And he. What we were talking about, about the greatness of God, but he was getting so excited about it. So he was. He was getting fired up and his size defense too. He just did a, you know, over an hour podcast and ads and Corey is. Was here doing something amazing. So I want to hear about this.

[Corey]

I'm coming in from a two hour podcast talking about the Shroud of Turin,

[Christian]

which I say that slowly for everyone from my camp.

[Jace]

The Shroud of Turin.

[Corey]

Of Turin, which is where it was

[Jace]

found, is that correct?

[Corey]

Turin is where it is now. In Italy. Turin, Italy. But it has traveled around, which I've learned a lot in the last two hours. I had heard about it before and actually seen his name. Jeremiah. Dr. Jeremiah Johnson. He.

[Jace]

He's not Johnson. Right? From the old.

[Corey]

Another Jeremiah Johnson. Yes.

[Christian]

From. From the Western.

[Jace]

Well, it's not him.

[Corey]

Not him.

[Jace]

Maybe he's a descendant, but that happens

[Corey]

to be his name. Yes.

[Christian]

Are you kidding me?

[Corey]

I'm not kidding.

[Christian]

I would have taken that sign for something.

[Corey]

Well, you'll have to listen to him because he's on Sadie's W. That's good. And he's here in person, like just in the next video when I came in.

[Jace]

All the red lights are on here. So everybody was recording at this.

[Christian]

Does he have a long beard and does he have any kind of.

[Corey]

He doesn't really look like the Jeremiah Johnson that you would think.

[Jace]

Yeah. Did he say I've been to a town?

[Corey]

No, but you. You could ask him. He might say that.

[Jace]

I mean, I'm gonna have to say that for you. So he's on Sadie's podcast today, which will come out prob. Whenever this drops later.

[Corey]

Right. And he's an expert on this shroud that is the burial cloth of Jesus. And he says it's not the death cloth, it's the resurrection cloth because it has this incredible.

[Jace]

Never.

[Corey]

There's no other shroud. There's no way to replicate this. Per all of his scientific study, an impression of Jesus body, his wounds, all the different. All of it corroborates with scripture.

[Jace]

So it's not just on his face. This would have been covering his whole body.

[Corey]

Covering his whole body.

[Jace]

Okay, now I'm reading this.

[Jill]

I thought the same thing.

[Christian]

I'm reading this because I have never heard of this. The Shroud of the.

[Jace]

For the first time ever, Jace has heard of the Shroud of Tyranny, which

[Christian]

is really 18 by 3 and a half foot linen cloth bearing the faint negative image of A crucified man traditionally believed to be the burial shroud of Jesus Christ.

[Jace]

So from my reading.

[Corey]

So you have to go across the hob because he's got the replica over there, the 14 foot here, it's here.

[Christian]

Kept in the cathedral of Turin, Italy. It is one of the most studied, controversial relics in history with scientific debates spanning centuries regarding whether it is a medieval forgery or an authentic 2000 year old artifact.

[Jace]

So tell us, what did your dad say?

[Corey]

You'll have to hear it. Just decide whether or not.

[Christian]

Hold on, let me get on the edge of my seat.

[Corey]

Well, I'm not going to spoil it. You're gonna have listen to the whole thing. But I will say this. My dad, who is a skeptic about a lot of things, he definitely. We didn't grow up in a faith tradition that, you know, believed in a lot of this type of things. And so my dad said he learned about it back in the 70s. There's a whole study that was back in the 70s. Yeah, he heard about it back in the 70s and pretty immediately wrote it off because of some different reasons why some people are skeptical of it. And after today, listening to the two hour presentation and he said he is no longer a skeptic.

[Christian]

Oh, he's in. That's a belief.

[Jace]

That is a big cause. Johnny Howard. John Howard. Now I guess he's Johnny to us. Corey's dad is a man that no matter what you're talking about, no matter what you're looking at, and it could be just something like, that's a cup of coffee. He will look at every angle in every discussion. Daisy, not here.

[Christian]

I love that about.

[Jace]

Oh, I do too. I realize now what a gift it is because me, I'm just like, I don't care. But Johnny's going to care.

[Christian]

He's a straight shooter. And look, the only time we had our little falling out was over the HoA.

[Jace]

It was on the show.

[Christian]

Well, but you know how that episode came to be?

[Jace]

Because Johnny really was.

[Christian]

After he knocked on my door and said, you're not allowed to have farm animals here. And I was like, who are you? I thought were you the farm animal police? And he's like, no, it's hoa. Which I didn't know what that was.

[Jace]

I said, what is that?

[Christian]

Homeowners Association? I was like, I don't want to have anything to do with that. He's like, oh, no, you signed that when you bought this house. It was in the fine print. I could get a lawyer to show you. But all this wasn't like an argument. I appreciate. He was just. These are the facts.

[Corey]

Yes.

[Christian]

You've been grafted into the hoa. And, I mean, I gave him a withering sermon about how chickens are an evidence of God because they made it.

[Jace]

Did you know about the red foul when you had that conversation?

[Christian]

I didn't know the red Jungle fowl at that time, but I did know

[Jace]

you spent three podcasts talking about chickens.

[Corey]

Oh, three. Since John Luke now has chickens, I've talked about that.

[Jace]

Yeah.

[Corey]

So now John Luke's in violation of the hoa, I guess.

[Jace]

And John Luke brought me eggs recently.

[Christian]

Funny story.

[Jill]

Y' all should do another episode.

[Christian]

I took Little man to see because Willie, for some odd reason, made a statue of a bear. And I thought, what kid wouldn't like this? Which, by the way, when we were taking pictures by this bear, it's this huge statue.

[Jace]

It's a replica of. Jack Nicholson has a core. Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholas has a course designed in Florida, and it's called the Bear and the Bear Trap. And there's a big bear there because that's where he got the idea.

[Christian]

I was taking pictures with a little man. And for some reason, I mean, that has claws. And I was bent over. He almost fell down. And so I went to grab him. But when I raised up the claws of that bear, I have claw prints on my lower back with blood.

[Corey]

I'm a skeptic of this. Now, I believe in the shroud of tyranny, but I'm a skeptic. That bear created blood.

[Christian]

I'm not gonna show you because it's in a sensitive area.

[Corey]

Please don't show me.

[Jace]

But the bear scratched his bottom.

[Christian]

I didn't think it was that bad until I told Missy. I said, look, this claw got me. I was kind of telling it funny. She went, oh, my goodness, you're bloody. I mean. And I was like, what?

[Jace]

Of course. I.

[Christian]

Typical man. I gotta go find a mir.

[Jace]

Look.

[Christian]

I was like, oh, my goodness.

[Jace]

At least you didn't get her to

[Christian]

take a picture of it, because that's what she embarrassing. That I lost a fight with a statue of a bear. It's my first bear fight, but I heard chickens when this happened. I'm like, forget the bear. And I walked over there and took a look, and I thought, yep. And my mind went back to that argument that I had with your dad.

[Jace]

That's his grandson now, that's doing the chicken.

[Christian]

And the whole episode happened because I went to the tv, people were like, what's going on. I was like, well, I just had a knockdown drag out over whether I can have chickens in my yard. They're like, let's do it. It sounds great. But I felt like the episode kind of embarrassed his position because after it was over, he came back to me and said, you don't got to thinking about it. Why don't we have chickens?

[Jace]

Which is the beauty of Johnny. He can always look at every side, even himself. That's the way he always is. And it birthed another episode later in the series that included me once we moved into the neighborhood. Cause we moved into Randy and Jonil's house. Well, Randy's in the episodes as the HOA bad guy.

[Christian]

Well. Because that's what he is.

[Jace]

I know. And so. Well, then he's gone. So now the later episode, which is a little more like creative license, was you and Willie running for the HOA president. And then y' all were trying to get myself.

[Corey]

I forgot about that.

[Jace]

So they both come over and Willie brings me a pie. Because he said, you know, we know how to get Al through the stomach, you know. So that was a precursor to Fat Albert. But, yeah, we did a whole episode about that.

[Christian]

Well, and I just want to go on record because everybody's like, oh, reality.

[Jace]

And then I think Corey won it.

[Christian]

They had this whole idea how this

[Jace]

is going to work.

[Christian]

I was like, oh, no. I'm giving a speech that I will write and I will give it, and you will turn your cameras on. And if you don't want to run it, fine. But I got up and I gave Johnny.

[Jace]

It was in Johnny's garage. The funniest part of that scene was mom and dad had come and she brought food because she didn't know what they were coming to. And it was an HOA meeting. And when she would laugh, she was so upset about it. That Days was so mishandled that she said, I'm taking this with me. She took her casserole back off.

[Corey]

I brought a casserole. That's like a line that, like, is burned in my memory.

[Jace]

I brought a casserole. And then she. When they was leaving, it was like, I'm taking this movie. So she took it back.

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[Christian]

Look, we have another.

[Jace]

This is happening now to regular basement.

[Corey]

Come on in. Oh, my word.

[Christian]

Here come the ladies.

[Corey]

The ladies of faith.

[Jace]

We've been talking about the Shroud of Turin. I'm just wondering if you're, if you're now a believer as well. We can't tell what happens.

[Christian]

I was back in college.

[Corey]

Yeah, we were laughing because. So we had like a little live audience over there because everyone wanted to come see it and hear it. And I come in and Willie's in the back corner and I'm like, what are you in college? You're in the back seat of the. This is exactly.

[Christian]

I always sit in college.

[Jace]

Probably where he could slip out. That's what I think.

[Corey]

I was like, why don't you come sit up here on the front road with me? He's like, no, I'm good. It's just like college.

[Christian]

This is the only time I see him. I see him in the airports, which we've documented that. And he pops in our podcast.

[Jace]

So to the audience, Willie has popped in yet again. He did it the other day. I'm back, baby.

[Jill]

This is like a family reunion for me.

[Corey]

It is.

[Jace]

I was just.

[Jill]

Zach's missing out now.

[Jace]

They brought in the pro.

[Christian]

Let me guess, you're leaving.

[Jace]

I don't know how she does what she does.

[Corey]

Somehow she's the pro. I'm the junior.

[Jace]

She is a pro.

[Corey]

No. No way.

[Jace]

Okay. I'm going to clean some property.

[Corey]

Go have fun picking up sticks. He's been laughing at me because I'm like, willie's out there picking up sticks. He's like, it sounds like I'm, like, picking up just, like, little twigs. I'm chopping down things.

[Jace]

It's kind like a machine. He's driving now, right? His little.

[Christian]

He's been.

[Jace]

Does he still do the skid?

[Corey]

No, he's hand by hand.

[Christian]

I've been proud of him because I've

[Jace]

thought I was like, Willie, like, for his whole life. He's that guy.

[Corey]

He loves to burn pile.

[Jace]

He loves to burn pile. He loves his stuff. So, like, now that our neighborhood's been destroyed, he's in heaven, and Jason's right there with him there.

[Christian]

Well, I, like.

[Jill]

You know, Willie used to work in our yard. Have y' all told that exactly?

[Jace]

Oh, yeah. It was total when Dave Ramsey was here.

[Jill]

Yeah.

[Jace]

Cause y' all were on Dave Ramsey. Yeah. Yeah.

[Corey]

It's just a story. Willie's never been afraid of a little yard work. He loves it. And so actually, just before the ice storm happened, we were saying that Willie had picked up every stick in the yard because that he loves to do that. He had it. It looked like a park out there. He. And then the ice storm happened, and then it was just disaster. So we're like, well, now you got a job for the next, you know, at least a year. I mean, and he's loving it, but he's. He's been working hard, so he's heading back out there every chance he gets.

[Jace]

We were talking about John Luke. I was going to tell you this, Corey. So when we were doing our hill podcast, you know, because I do a podcast with him, we were talking about the power being out and my little trailer over there that I live in with all the nice homes around it. I was the only one that had power the first night because Sadie's hadn't kicked in because they were having some issues with the generator. And so I was telling the story in John Luke. And I said, john Luke, I looked over at your place, and I was looking at your mom and dad's house, and even John and Chris, they had a generator, but then nobody had lights. And I was like, wow, isn't this something that. Here I am with these lights and power. And John Luke said, yeah. One night I was looking out of my window and I saw the lights on at your house. I Was so cold and you had Christmas lights blinking. He said, I saw your Christmas lights and I was jealous. I said, well, why don't you just load up and come over there? You could have just bunked in with us. He said, I was too proud. I was too prideful. I just lost long lay across the floor. It's just, long live seeing the blinking Christmas lights. Looking at him like, you know, stark Vegas hero. But John Luke is so sneaky funny. He's like. He's got Willie's, like, sense of humor, but he's sneaky about it because he's kind of nerdy. And so, like, on the podcast, he'll come out with the funniest stuff. And Christian walks right into it because he's just the perfect foil, you know, for our podcast. So it's our own dynamic, but it works. I love it.

[Corey]

I love it.

[Jace]

And I'm Jace on that podcast, so I'm like the one that does all the talking.

[Christian]

Sorry to hear that.

[Jace]

Yeah.

[Christian]

Sending me a secret message. Now, I've told this story many times, but John Luke, for about a year, every time we would sit down for supper, he would just show up. And I thought, how is this guy? What is going on? And I finally asked him, and he said, well, I see that light. I see that you turn the light on in the dining room. That's how I know it's ready. He was a teenager.

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Yes.

[Corey]

When he was a teenager, his window from his bedroom looked out into Yalls house, and he'd see your dining room light come on, and he'd bust in. Like I said, like Kramer from Seinfeld.

[Christian]

That's what he did. And you know teenagers, there's never enough food. So he's just like, let me go see what they're eating tonight.

[Jace]

He's like, and Cory is.

[Corey]

And I'm not known for my cooking.

[Jace]

I was about to say. I wasn't gonna say that. I was gonna say, Cory is notorious as not being the best cook.

[Jill]

It would be unfair if you could cook too, because you can do so many other things. Amazing.

[Corey]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Jace]

Women together.

[Christian]

That's why they need a buddy.

[Jace]

That's why they need a buddy. Well, I wanted to say, Corey, because just thank you because you helped make this happen for our movie that just completed filming. And so we just. We did the last scene two nights ago at my house.

[Corey]

Oh, really? I haven't heard that.

[Jace]

Yeah. So it's really. I've toyed with whether to tell it, and I think I'll just wait so the audience can see it. But, yeah, we're actually in the last scene, the real Alisa. So we're super excited about it. And I looked at some of. She showed me. The director was there, so she showed me a few scenes because she had us on our phone. And it looks great.

[Corey]

I mean, it's. Yeah, I think it's gonna be amazing.

[Jace]

So thank you for that, because you helped make that happen.

[Corey]

So beautiful. I'm so excited for people to get to see your story.

[Jace]

It's quite the story.

[Corey]

It is. It's so powerful. It's impacted all of our lives.

[Jace]

My line now is when I go out and speak, so. Because I'm just letting people. Audiences know. And so I was like, have you ever seen a situation said, man, this thing is so bad, it could be a Lifetime movie slide? It's like, here we are. This is our Lifetime movie.

[Christian]

Right? It's a good line.

[Jace]

It's a good line.

[Corey]

Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm excited for it. And I've gotten to see some of the daily. The video and things like that, and it looks incredible, right?

[Jace]

And even, you know, I think I said this on a previous podcast, but even when we were interviewing with our actors playing us, because, you know, we speak a couple hours with them, they're trying to get to know you and this kind of thing, and you're giving them some insight into the story. But even that process, like, these are young people, and so they're in different places in their lives and struggling with things as young people do. And so it gave us an opportunity to minister to them in those moments. And so then you realize that a project like this, like the blind, it winds up having an immediate impact on anybody because it's not our story, it's God's story. And it just plays out through before we got it straight and became newborns in Christ. And so once that happened, everything changed. So it's just a different way to tell a story.

[Christian]

So what else is going on? Corey, give us the updates before we get in.

[Corey]

Well, we have twins, twin granddaughters.

[Jace]

How many is this?

[Corey]

Totally. This makes 11 for us, which is crazy. It's crazy.

[Jace]

Billy and Cory, they got the Prolifics in theirs. I mean, I've got seven now. And now mine are marrying in. That's how old mine are.

[Corey]

And they're all right there in our neighborhood. So we got grandbabies everywhere. Last night, everybody was over on the trampoline and all that. Little man, y' all are over on the trampoline. A Lot, which I love it. I love to look out the window and see y' all out there.

[Christian]

We're gonna. We're reaching a point where we're gonna need name tags at all family functions.

[Corey]

Yes. For real. We do our Thanksgiving now, I feel like. Because our Thanksgiving is like, all the cousins, everybody. Everyone knows everybody. But the first time we did it, all of our kids were like, no, who is this one? You know, who is this? We got a big family now. It's grand.

[Jace]

Well. And you had these interactions. Like, the other night, Christian and Sadie were going out on a date, and so Anna was watching the girls, and so she brought them over to our house, which was awesome. That's when you get to know, like, you get to the conversations. And her oldest, honey, is. You talk about smart.

[Corey]

She is.

[Jace]

I mean, and then her. And when she would say things, I could hear him in the other room, but she'd say things she sounded just like saying. I mean, like, she picks up her mannerisms. I was like, this one here is a little. But she can already spell her name and, like, does all these things. She's four years old.

[Corey]

She is really bright. Yeah. She's so much like Sadie. It is kind of like reliving a little Sadie again. And she definitely picks up on everything everybody does and says. Super cute.

[Christian]

That's a good thing.

[Corey]

That's a good thing. Super cute. And. Yeah. So we have twins. That's very exciting. We're in love. Other big news. Our second season of the revival is out now.

[Jace]

It's out.

[Christian]

It's rolling A and E. I never knew it. I thought it was already out, Which I was wondering. Cause I thought. Man, I did. I was in that a lot.

[Corey]

You're in a lot of it. Bringing the guys from Duck Boys to

[Christian]

Duck Men, that was the goal.

[Corey]

And it was kind of like this

[Christian]

podcast I shut down.

[Jace]

Can you tell how. Whether you pulled it off or not, or is that a tbd?

[Christian]

I will tell you this in real life, it was actually great for our relationship because I was a little bit. You know, you get on tv, you can get away with anything. So I was really hammering them. But it was based on a true story, because I was like, you're gonna hunt out here. We're men, and there are certain things that you need to learn and understand, and I think some of them weren't ready for the. I mean, I was.

[Corey]

You put them through it.

[Christian]

I brought the hammer.

[Jace]

Did you feel like you did Zach and Bear? Cause we talked about that on the last one.

[Christian]

It was kind of like that. I mean, I remember Christian coming to me just in real life, and he's like, I mean, do you really have a problem with me? And I said, well, yeah, but it's a process, buddy. You're doing well. I mean, I was trying to build

[Jace]

him back up a little bit, and

[Christian]

I thought we were doing a TV show that I was speaking the truth, but I was just doing it rather harshly.

[Corey]

You have to kind of condense it into a moment. Yes. And there was an injury. Christian got hurt, like legitimately got hurt.

[Christian]

Yep.

[Jill]

So it's part of revealed on the show.

[Jace]

It's Must see tv. Oh, it's on.

[Christian]

Well. And you know what I said, you got to get back up. And this is part of what we

[Jace]

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[Christian]

I mean, in their defense, I put them on the spot because whatever coordination of the show that was going on, I was playing the role of my dad. I had no idea what was going on. I showed up, said, come over here and sit down. Of course, they have no idea what's fixing to happen. I asked them basic questions, is how our. I guess through the episodes kind of merged, just about how to hunt, how to survive. And so I would ask them questions, but, you know, on the spot, they were a little nervous. There were scammers around. They didn't know what to say. Well, it was making up.

[Corey]

Well, Christian didn't grow up in a hunting family. I mean, I think he had hunted, like, once or twice maybe before he came into the family. Jacob did. So Jacob had some more.

[Christian]

Well, you would say hunting, but I think he was just overwhelmed. You know, I would just ask basic questions.

[Corey]

I'd be a little intimidated.

[Jace]

Yeah. And let's face it, you were going out of your way to get. To get pretty good.

[Christian]

But here's what I'll say. It made great tv because it's like. And it humbled them because I was asking them simple questions, and they were just like, crickets. I'm sure they'll insert crickets. That's what we.

[Jace]

Well, I always thought the original show anyway, that dad was like. His stuff is always so subtle. If you go back and watch it now, it's so funny. Like, the way he. It was just dad being dad. But that was like, with Jace doing that. So I see Jace definitely kind of morphing into that person. It's funny, but it's also just, like, sharp. You know, that's the way dad was when his stuff. You know, with all the STDs and with John Luke and just the. Or the explaining the cold sex with the crawfish. I mean, those are classics, but that's just. That's what dad did. Yeah.

[Corey]

Oh, I remember him having those conversations with us when we were dating. So that was. Was totally not just for television.

[Jace]

Well, I tell everybody when they ask about that. I'm sorry to interrupt. When they ask about that. I always say what you saw in the original show was a lot of stories that happened with us when we were kids, but then we were retelling it with now Dad's grandkids. But you're right. Every bit of that stuff. He did like that. Go ahead. What were you saying?

[Corey]

No, I was gonna say, speaking of Phil, if you missed the first episode. Cause it came out last week. If you missed the first episode, you gotta go back and watch. Cause that's a tribute to Philippines. And it was. It's so powerful. It's so good. And Jace already revealed, since he said he didn't even know season two was out, that he hasn't watched it. So you gotta go back and watch it. But here's the thing. And you can watch it on ne. But also I think you can buy them on Amazon for like $1.99 an episode. So if you watch one, watch that one.

[Jace]

Especially our audience unashamed. You need to do it. Because you know how we revere dad. In fact, Corey J. Blamed it on us. But he forgot his Bible today. And so Dad's, you know, we set it up over there. It's always here on set. And so this is the second time Jason had to go to it. But we get into a Bible study. It's so amazing because we'll be somewhere. And we did this in the last podcast. And then we're reading Dad's notes in the margin.

[Christian]

And it's just that we still get to.

[Jace]

It was so funny because I showed this on the last podcast.

[Christian]

So he had one John 2, one John 3. And you're like, what did Phil think the problem was? He just put one word up here.

[Jace]

Sin.

[Christian]

Exclamation point. That's so Phil. I know what you mean, Phil. I got it. Look into your own heart. There's the problem.

[Corey]

That's great.

[Jill]

Sin STDs. You know, whichever.

[Corey]

He's going to call them out. Yeah. Well, this episode is so special because. Well, one, when we all watched it, I mean, we all just bawled. You'll cry when you see it. Well, maybe you won't. I don't know. But we all cry when you see it.

[Christian]

We probably will at this stage.

[Corey]

It was pretty and. And it was just like, this is the reason we did this whole revival. Just for this one episode to happen, to get to have this tribute to Phil and for Phil's words to just reverberate again. And I mean, he. You know, we got to preach the gospel through Phil on this episode. And there's a lot of flashbacks to Phil. A lot of times when he speaks, there's actually flashbacks to Unashamed podcast. So you guys sitting here talking about Phil after his passing. And there's like, Kay got to do an interview after Phil pass, which was really, really powerful. I was nervous for her. I was there with her when she did it, because I was just like, you know, I just don't want. I want this to be special for her. And she just did so great. And at the end of it, she ended up loving it. She told the producer who was asking her the question. She was like, you didn't think I could talk this much, did you? You didn't think I was that funny. You know, it was just sweet to see her en in talking about Phil and reminiscing and making the producer laugh a little bit and everything. It was really sweet. So it's a very special episode. You got to go back and watch that one.

[Christian]

Well, I'm excited now.

[Jace]

I am, too.

[Christian]

This is worth the trip.

[Jace]

I am, too. So we want to talk a little bit about First John. Since we got two lovely ladies here who are women of God, I'm on for them. So in the last podcast, Corey Jace had this thought, and I'll just pick it up there. And if we get into these first few verses, chapter four, we will. But he was talking about this phrase here in verse. Is it 19 on the greater. Yeah. This then, is how we know that we belong to the truth. So this is First John 3. 19 that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence. We've been talking about that quite a bit here lately. Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. And so he kind of took off on that term greater. And then he also says that John says that in 1 John 4. And in 1 John 5.

[Christian]

Well, in the first John 4, I would argue, is one of the themes of what John's trying to get across. It's just such a profound statement. In 4, 4, he says, you, dear children are from God and have overcome them, Talking about the spirit of the Antichrist in the world. But he's like, you've overcome that because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. So you're starting to see a theme here by John. It's like, he's greater than our hearts. He knows everything. The one in us is greater than the spirit of the world. And then when he gets to 1 John 5, we were talking about testimonies and telling our story, but he says that God's testimony is greater than our testimony. First John 5. 9, we accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God which he has given about his Son.

[Jace]

So good.

[Christian]

And I made a point in Matthew where when Jesus was predicted to be born, in Luke's version, it says, he'll be great. It's like, he'll be the Son of Man and all these different things, but he'll be great. And so I went through this thing. I heard it on a sermon somewhere in Matthew where he gives the Sermon on the Mount. He does all these parables, he does all these miracles, and you get all the way to Matthew 18. And the disciples, they've been talking, and they come up and they're like, we got a question for you. Who's the greatest in the King kingdom? Because they were looking at it from their perspective. And I made the point where there's other examples where John and who was with John that got their mom?

[Jace]

James and John.

[Christian]

James and John get their mom to say, hey, can my son sit on the right and left? After the washing of the feet, an argument breaks out on who's the greatest? And so we were talking about this, how our hearts condemn us in that. Because we want to be great. And I made three little points just about our identity. We want to be known, we want to be loved, and we want to be secure. And that's where all that comes from, where everybody's arguing about who's the greatest, who's the greatest. Even the disciples, seeing the greatest human that's ever lived, and they're over there thinking, ooh, who's the greatest? And so Jesus does this incredible illustration here about having 11 kids. He takes a kid and puts it out in front of them and says, you want to be great? This is what greatness looks like. And I think John is riffing off that. Maybe he's still embarrassed about his mom going. Because he keeps calling us children of God. We are children of God. He said that at the end of chapter two. And God's greater than our hearts. The one in you is greater. His testimony is greater. Why are you getting all this pressure about trying to be great and make a name for yourself when he's making you great? And that was kind of where we were at. I don't know if y' all want to give y' all's thoughts on that.

[Jace]

No. Yeah, because we had to just end it there because we ran out of time. But I was thinking definitely that John now. And I think, Jill, you said this in the last podcast that, you know, this is the guy that even referred to himself as third person in his own book, the one who Jesus loved. You know, he wouldn't even refer to himself because he probably was embarrassed about him as a young man. But he gets it now as an older man, because now he figures out when Jesus had that comment about the 12 thrones. Jay Z. There's one text where he says, you'll sit on the 12 thrones.

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[Christian]

That's when he says that. The renewal of all things.

[Jace]

Right? And so in their minds, I'm sure when they heard that, oh, I get my throne. So that's all these greatness questions. What they didn't realize was that the throne of Christ is down below. I mean, his throne is one that serves. And he was down on his knees. And so I look at it even in my own life, as Lisa and I have gotten older and doing this movie project really made us think about it. I mean, like, your grandkids, they think you're great, but only because you love them and you serve them and you do anything and. And it's like, it totally flips. It's not like you're the boss of people. It's like you want to. You know, it just kind of naturally fits. Have you noticed?

[Corey]

That's so good. Yeah, that's so true. I was. I was thinking of. I remember Erwin McManus talked about this one time about that. That exact scripture. And he talked about how Jesus is not saying, like, don't try to be great. He's saying, what makes you great is not what you think. It's not. It's the opposite. And, yeah, the older you get, the more you. You, like, realize that when you're younger, you're trying to be all these things and think that's what makes you. And that becomes your identity or whatever. And then as you grow, you're like, oh, what people really want is just me to be with them, me to serve, me to love and care for. And so, yeah, that point of just that. And I think that actually in that conversation we just had with Dr. Jeremiah Johnson, we were talking about John 3:16, about for God So loved the world that he gave his only son. And how transformative that was for the reader to read during that time period. Because. Because no other gods were like that. They weren't there to serve. They weren't coming for you. They weren't there to give their son. And then here again, Jesus saying, like, you know, it's just so transformative for that time period because they're thinking, what makes you great is your wealth and your power and all this. And he's like, no, it's opposite. And so how much of scripture, even to our ears, we kind of like know it a little bit. But the people that were originally being taught this, that was like mind blowing. It was so opposite.

[Jace]

We did. In our Hillsdale course on ancient Christianity, I learned something I didn't know. I always learned stuff I didn't know. But I didn't know that Caesar Augustus, who was the emperor during the same era, they were making him to be a son of God because he was the first emperor to be declared. And there's all these similarities. Well, that was all done by triumph and because Rome ruled the world. And so again, for such a time as this, God would send his son, during this time where all of known humanity was calling this guy a son of God because he was the emperor, that he would then say that was going to be what the emperor's going to be for the next 300 years. They're a God. And so here Jesus comes out of this completely humble situation unknown. Nobody, I mean, even the Jewish leadership didn't know who he was. Remember, they were confused where he was from. And yet the Son of God would come up and then die a death and then be raised and all these things that happened. There was no other. That's why Christianity is so unique.

[Christian]

This is a perfect segue in what I wanted to get to, because that Matthew 18, I think what led to that was what happened in 16 when Jesus, he comes up in verse 13, he goes to the region of Caesarea Philippi, and he asked his disciples, and this is a familiar passage, but based on what we've talked about, I think there's a principle here that I can't get out of my head. And he says, who do people say the Son of Man is? And they replied. So it's kind of like, you know, you can imagine they're all gathered around. It's like, who do people say son of man is? And they're like, oh, let's try to get this right. John the Baptist. Others say Elijah, still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets. So they didn't really answer the question. I mean, they. To his liking. They just gave. This is what people are saying. And I think this comes back. This next question comes back to this part about if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts. Because Jesus is like, well, what about you? Who do you say I am? Well, Simon Peter answered, you are the Christ, the son of the living God. Jesus replied, blessed are you, Simon, for this was not revealed to you by man, but my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you're Peter, and on this rock I'll build my church. And the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I'll give you the keys to the kingdom. And whatever you bind on. On earth will be bound. And whatever you bind in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. And then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone. So you know what happens here? Peter starts thinking, ooh,

[Jace]

sounds like I'm the mini me.

[Christian]

Well, yeah. And this. I had a revelation from God himself

[Jace]

that I didn't even know about.

[Christian]

And I got some keys that y' all don't have.

[Jace]

And I.

[Christian]

And I think that's what happened. But you forget that. Then they have this next conversation about where he predicts his death. Yeah. So, I mean, the next thing that happens. From that time on, Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers. And what you just said, that he must be killed on the third day, be raised to life. So now this new Peter, Peter pulls him off to the side. Can you imagine? He comes up and said, let me explain this because I really believe.

[Jace]

Let me push back on what you just said.

[Christian]

I believe the greatness in his mind was real. He's like, see what I said? See, I have emerged as the greatest. Which is why two chapters later, they're

[Jace]

all fighting about it.

[Christian]

I think they come up and say, well, now let's just go ahead and say who's the greatest? Because you say, what happened? Jesus. Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. Lord, he said, this shall never happen to you. Because in his mind, this is not the Lord and Son of God. He wants to follow one that is betrayed and dies. Which makes sense in his mind. And Jesus. I mean, one thing that you can say, sometimes Jesus is not nice when it comes to the truth. He's like, out of my sight, Satan, you are a stumbling block to me. You don't have. And this goes to what Corey said, you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men. And so what hit me, though, and there's a point I want to make, he believed Jesus is the son of God. He just said it a few verses later.

[Jace]

Right.

[Christian]

And it made me think of churches that are filled with people that acknowledge Jesus is the son of God. However, they don't understand what that means in their own life and what that's going to look like. And the part what you said about what greatness really is, you may have to suffer, you may die, which he eventually did. And, boy, it was a sharp contrast, which continued this argument about who the greatest. But I just thought that was so profound on what that looks like, which is John's whole point in First John, if you claim to love God, you're going to love other people. That's not going to be easy, and

[Jill]

it'll cost you something. I think that's the thing that it's so hard for us to get outside of the mindset of just an earthly kingdom. And to Corey's point, what we think greatness is. But if you look at your own life, if I look at my life and I think what about my life has been, my great moments or the greatest things that I've experienced or gone through, they have all cost me greatly. I would think of having kids. It cost me my body, time, money, the rest of my life, you know, comfort. Comfort. You know, I think of us adopting Ruth. You know, we talked a little bit about this on the last podcast. You know, I was 40 years old. My kids were all, you know, functioning independently, you know, and we started over in life, and as parents with an infant, that cost us something, but it was and is still the greatest cost, you know, ever. And I think that's just the hard thing. And that was Jesus's message. Always to your point, what you think is great is actually not great. But when you get down and when you serve and when you get involved in people's life and it's sometimes messy and it sometimes, you know, doesn't work out perfectly, and labor sometimes goes bad and all the things. But when you're involved in people's life, that's where. That's where true greatness is.

[Christian]

Well, this whole section started off when he said, First John 3:16, this is how we know what love is. Which I always think of that song, I Want to know what love is. I'm like, First John 3:16, if you want to know what love is, we have a quote from Heaven. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for one another. And it's so interesting we're talking about this. We did a zoom call with my son and his wife and their three kids this morning before I came up here. And, you know, Brighton is ready to party. Four weeks, you know, And I thought, you want to know what laying down your life is? And Reed made a joke about it, which she didn't laugh. So. But he's like. Because I said, whoa, Brighton, you're getting there. And she's like, oh, yeah, I have no idea. And Reed said, we're at the guttural utterance stage. Every time she moves, she's like, ugh, all day. And I thought, thought, this is what laying down your life. You're surrounded by three little kids. And it made me think of that story in Matthew 18. I just thought, man, these kids, they don't just happen.

[Corey]

Right?

[Christian]

There is a lot of laying down everything that you just described, Jill, and

[Corey]

we're grateful for it. I just watched Mary Kate go through a twin pregnancy. And there was. Yeah, I mean, it's a sacrifice, you

[Jace]

know, the guttural, utter system.

[Corey]

Yes. I got to watch, you know, them be born. And it's a sacrifice. It's hard work. I slept with two grandbabies last night. It was a sacrifice of my sleep because I had feet in my side. Lots of. Willie just went upstairs. So he was just like, nevermind, I'm going to the other room. It was like musical spots in the bed. I'd moved to another spot that I didn't have a foot in me. And then they would keep seeking. They'd find me. Yes, exactly. So I definitely know what that is.

[Jace]

We were doing appearance last week and. And Lisa says something that she's never said before to me and never said publicly either. And it kind of caught me off guard because she was talking about. We were talking about this idea of serving each other. And she was talking about when she had. After the breast cancer surgery and the reconstruction that, you know, she had all these drains and stuff you have to do. And she. We had some of our friends, and one of them is a nurse. And so they were like, well, Al, I know you don't want to do all this and probably don't know what you're doing, and so we'll help and we'll do the drain cleaning and all this. And this was like the first day she was going to come home from the hospital. But I remember saying, when they asked me I said, I really appreciate y'.

[Christian]

All.

[Jace]

That's awesome. But no, like, this is my job. This is what I'm supposed to do. This is why God has me here. I need to serve her in this way, and I'm going to learn how to do it, and I'm going to do it well. And so the text showed me everything and how to do it. And you had to put the gloves on. It was multiple times a day. It's a tough job. But, you know, for a week, that's what I did. And Lisa, here's what. The part she's never said before, she said, you know, I always thought, you know, when Al forgave me, and because we'd already told our story, so the audience knew that. That, you know, I wasn't sure whether he loved me that much or he loved God that much, because I always felt like he made the decision because he loved God so much that he was, like, gonna do right by me because of his faith, but not really for me until he did that for me.

[Corey]

Wow.

[Jace]

That's powerful. And then she said, and then I knew that he loved me that much, and I was like. I mean, I was teared up. Then she looks at me like, okay, you go. And I'm just like, give me a minute here. I hadn't heard this before, but looking at it from her perspective, I see that. And when you see this text and you see what Jesus did for us, and you see what God did for us by sending us Jesus, it shows us about this love you mentioned in John 3 and the idea that he is love. Later he says in chapter four. And so you say, well, how could we possibly do this? Because John said, walk like Jesus did, but we do what Jesus did. That's why he walked to the cross, and then they put him in the tomb, and then he walked out to show us it could be done. And that's what we do when we're reborn. As you hit that, the last day, we walk to the tomb, we're buried. We come forth with new life, and then we understand that it's in love and compassion that continue to go out. So it is a beautiful picture. I mean, it does give you so much confidence when you really begin to grasp the greatness that comes from the love of God.

[Christian]

What advice would y' all give? I mean, this. These principles sound so great, but on a daily basis, we all live in the world. We're distracted. I'm curious to know, because y' all are not on our podcast much. What does that look like in your everyday life? How do you try to get these principles of having the mind on godly things rather than how great we are?

[Corey]

Well, what you were saying about Lysa saying that for you, I was joking at the beginning about Willie loving to pick up six. And he does. He likes to do that work. But more than that, it is sacrifice for our family. He's cleaning up our family land, so it's beautiful for all of us. For us. And joy, so the kids can be safe out there because there's limbs that are sticking up everywhere and all that. So it is. It's more than that. And I've seen that in him. It's. Every time I see him out there working, I get emotional about it because I'm like, it's so sweet that he's doing that for our family, you know, because he could just stay there or

[Jace]

whatever or hire somebody.

[Corey]

Or hire somebody.

[Jace]

But he loves them.

[Corey]

He loves doing it because he loves. And I think back as his childhood, you know, y' all know, y' all saw he loved to clean the yard for Kay because Kay loved that because

[Jace]

he talked about Step Foot.

[Corey]

Phil didn't really care about that. That was not something Phil cared about. So I think Willie loved doing that as a child for his mom, because she appreciated that. And now I see him doing that

[Jill]

for all of us.

[Corey]

So it's a sacrifice. It's showing his love for us by doing that.

[Christian]

No, I agree. Missy asked. She's like, I haven't seen you work this hard. But I said something that I wasn't trying to just have a moving moment, but it moved her. I was like, babe, as much stuff as you got going on, I don't want you to worry about this part. I got this.

[Jace]

Yeah, it's just something I can do.

[Christian]

You just don't even give it a second thought, you know? And, boy, next thing I know, she was getting emotional about it, but I

[Corey]

was like, I know I was getting emotional talking about it. I didn't even know I was going to.

[Jace]

It's crazy. Jill, any last words? We're almost out of time.

[Jill]

Well, I just. I love, you know, listen to you talk about Willie. I think God gifts you with something that you love in nature, whether that's cleaning up yard or whether that's sewing or baking or whatever it is. And I think he gives gifts you that to pour out for other people. And so whatever that is in your life, it's. It's the little things. It's not necessarily the big things. Like the Conversation with Missy. I just think with my kids, it's just being sacrificially present for them in everyday conversations, in drives to school, in, you know, taking them from one sporting event to the next. It's just being present. And I think that's one of the ways we can actually serve the greatest is being in the moment and not so far ahead of it.

[Jace]

So good. And I guess in Jill, in your case, it'd be doing the. What is. What are you doing? The wheat germs bread.

[Jill]

I'm milling my own grain. Yes. It's really fun. I'm baking all day, every day. That's what I'm doing.

[Jace]

It was such a Zach moment, Jill, when he told us about it, because I knew him well. He didn't say this, but I knew what the problem was, and Lisa backed me up on it. It's because he had to buy all this stuff. And so. Because first he was like, I mean, why are we doing all this wheat stuff? Why didn't we just kind of buy a loaf of bread? But I know it's because he's so tight. He's looking at all this stuff Jill's buying. And then he said, I walked in and I smell the bread, and it all went away.

[Jill]

That's right.

[Jace]

And then he's bragging about it. Then he was like, he's grinding her own grain. You know,

[Jill]

there's a lot of health benefits to it, but that's another podcast

[Jace]

for another day, so we'll bring you back for that. Well, thank you both for. For adding so much to the podcast today, because we were. We were flailing a little bit of Jason and I, what we were going to do when it was just me and Jay. So, y'. All. Y' all brought much wisdom. Wisdom and blessings.

[Corey]

Happy to be here. This was fun. Loved it.

[Jace]

Awesome.

[Christian]

Thank you.

[Jace]

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