Ep 1302 | Missy Robertson Gets Real About Beauty, Aging & What Really Matters in Marriage

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1302 | A Real Conversation About Beauty, Aging & What Really Matters in Marriage

Date: April 1, 2026
Hosts: The Robertson family (Phil, Al, Jase, Zach) + Missy and additional guests

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Unashamed" centers around an honest and heartfelt discussion on beauty, aging, marriage, and the deeper things that hold families together. The Robertsons, joined by Missy and Zach, share lighthearted yet profound stories from their own lives about changing perspectives on appearance, the realities of growing older, the costs and priorities in marriages, family travel tales, legacy, and the ultimate value of faith. Their trademark humor, Southern warmth, and candid storytelling offer a window into their enduring values and connections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Realities of Beauty Maintenance and Aging

• Missy's 8-Hour Hair Appointments:
  Missy describes traveling 8 hours to get her hair done in Tennessee, combining it with grandkid visits. She and Jase explain the struggle of finding a new hairdresser, likening losing a longtime stylist to "like a death" ([02:00]).
• Extensions & Self-Care:
  Missy openly talks about her use of hair extensions due to thinning hair, caused by pregnancy-related trauma ([05:00]).

  "I am unashamed. I am unashamed about my hair." – Missy ([05:03])

• Marriage and Appearance:
  The group discusses how appearance changes and how, at this stage in life, maintaining looks is "for yourself, not for others." Jase reassures Missy:

  "Babe, if you're bald, I'm okay with it." – Jase ([05:54])
  "That's why it's not for you, it's for me." – Missy ([05:59])

• Male Vanity:
  Zach jokes about considering hair plugs, paralleling men’s and women’s beauty anxieties, but says, “If I get them, you’ll just never know. If I did it, I’d never tell you.” ([09:49])
• Validation from Duck Dynasty:
  Missy reveals the show’s producers encouraged her to try extensions and paid for them for five years ([08:54]).

Humor, Honesty, and Family Dynamics

• The group pokes fun at each other's self-care routines, from Jase’s pedicures ("I’m secure enough in my masculinity") to reactions to changing hair or beards that go unnoticed ([03:14]-[04:28]).
• Light roasting about appearance and the double standards between men and women.
• Notable Quote:

  "Nobody cares at this stage of our life, nobody cares." – Jase ([04:39])
  "I care about my hair because I don’t have any. So I buy it… It’s called extensions." – Missy ([04:48])

Legacy, Family Memories, and Passing Down Values

• Creating a Wedding Wall:
  Missy shares a project of collecting antique frames for a "wedding wall" in their Logtown bridal suite with family portraits across generations ([35:39], [36:12]).
• Preserving Family History:
  They lament not having photos of older generations and discuss how documenting family memories is vital for future generations ([38:19]-[39:09]).
• The Next Generation Teaching the Parents:
  Missy describes being proud to learn "street smarts" from her daughter Mia during a girls’ trip to NYC ([31:04]), noting,

  "Doesn't that make you feel good that you're learning from your kids?" – Al ([31:04])

• Helping Others Beyond the Family:
  Missy shares how her home and marriage serve as encouragement for other young moms seeking godly advice ([44:46]).

Marriage: What Matters Most

• Understanding, Trust, and Space:
  The group highlights respecting each other's needs in marriage—like allowing some personal spending on beauty and not questioning every choice ([06:04]-[07:29]).

  "These are some of the keys to a very happy marriage. Really, it is. Just let us do our thing…we’re better women for it." – Missy ([06:59])

• Shared Trials and Symbols:
  They discuss "reminders" in married life, good and bad. Al describes a painting called "Through the Fires of Pain" symbolizing what he and Lisa survived ([47:11]):

  “You need those reminders, both good and bad, to allow you to see where God has brought you to.” – Al ([48:19])

• Bible Ties:
  The importance of focusing on the heart over appearance is underlined with 1 Samuel 16:

  “Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.” – Zach ([13:05])

Stories from the Road: Family Travel & City Life

• Girls’ Trip to NYC:
  Missy humorously navigates family ties with her cousin Tori, recounts tales of NYC—cab mishaps, a Trump hotel story, and tips on navigating the city safely ([17:32]-[30:19]).
• Cultural Divides:
  They run into a cabbie who refuses to take them to the Trump Hotel, a sign of current social divides ([29:03]).

  "It shows you how divided our country is." – Jase ([29:33])

• Family Thrift Adventures:
  Missy brings back antique frames; the group jokes about buying ugly prints, revealing one was actually the Mona Lisa ([32:48]-[34:31]). Zach shares how his wife Jill accidentally hung a Karl Marx print in their home ([33:52]).

Faith, Refinement, and Suffering

• Metaphors of Fire:
  The hosts reflect on fire as a symbol not only of judgment but also of refinement, drawing parallels to parenting and personal growth ([51:39]-[53:51]).
• Martyrdom and Witness:
  Discussion of early Christian martyrs being burned at the stake—a testimony of faith’s truth and the endurance of conviction ([53:51]).
• Scriptural Encouragement:
  Jase reads 1 Peter 1:7, encouraging perseverance and genuine faith through trials ([54:30]-[54:57]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am unashamed about my hair.” – Missy ([05:03])
• “Babe, if you’re bald, I’m okay with it.” – Jase ([05:54])
• “These are some of the keys to a very happy marriage. Really, it is. Just let us do our thing... we’re better women for it.” – Missy ([06:59])
• “Nobody cares at this stage of our life, nobody cares.” – Jase ([04:39])
• “Doesn’t that make you feel good that you’re learning from your kids?” – Al ([31:04])
• “You need those reminders, both good and bad, to allow you to see where God has brought you to.” – Al ([48:19])
• “Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.” – Zach ([13:05])
• “If you could just muster a little [faith], you’ll be amazed at what I can bless you with.” – Al ([48:27])
• “All these people are gone, and I’m out here in the middle of nowhere... having a come to Jesus meeting.” – Jase ([50:41])
• “The new world is your kids leading you.” – Al ([31:13])
• “If this guy has kids, what are they thinking? My dad’s driving, right? I don’t know if they want to preserve that legacy, but maybe so.” – Jase (about seeing a motorcycle bunny) ([42:19])
• “A legacy, maybe is not just for your own family, but helping others as well.” – Missy ([45:12])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Faith and Appearance: [05:00] – [06:22]
• Marriage, Spending, and Trust: [06:59] – [08:54]
• Male Vanity & Aging: [09:18] – [10:39]
• Bible Insight (1 Samuel 16): [13:05]
• NYC Stories & Family Travel: [17:32] – [32:48]
• Legacy, Family Photos, and Memories: [35:39] – [39:09]
• Metaphors of Fire in Faith: [51:39] – [54:57]
• Scripture: 1 Peter 1:7: [54:30]
• Closing Reflections: [54:57]

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

Warm, honest, and relatable, this episode blends family humor, vulnerability about insecurities and change, snippets of cultural commentary, and deep wisdom rooted in Christian faith. The message is clear: true beauty, resilience, and meaning in life and marriage are found well beyond appearances—grounded in faith, love, perseverance, and the legacy we leave for others.

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Transcript

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I am unashamed. What about you?

[C]

So welcome back to Unashamed. We've upgraded yet again the Unashamed podcast. We've had the lovely Missy.

[A]

Zach is still here.

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And Zach's still here.

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I'm honored.

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That's two in a row. Zach has hung around for two in a row.

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Let me see your hand, babe, and I'll welcome you properly. Okay. If you're listening, I can tell you've

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been gone for nine days.

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He was.

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How lonely he was. Oh, man. We heard the low and slow bachelor life last week.

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He said, first four days are great, but then he started getting lonely.

[A]

Great. You said great.

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Great.

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Uh, oh.

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I mean, babe, I made that up, okay?

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He literally made it up. I said I was having a problem missing you because I was three people that were really bothering me, which was me, myself and I, all alone.

[A]

You and the dogs.

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Zach was missing.

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Where did you go now? Where were you at, Missy?

[A]

Well, I went to see the grandkids in Nashville because that's also where I get my hair done in a little town called Columbia. So every eight weeks I'm there, women

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will do for the hair. I'm talking about an eight hour road trip.

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Can y' all believe that? I've never brought that up. And I only didn't because I thought that seems embarrassing to drive eight hours to get your hair done.

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I'm driving to see my grandkids, but I happen to find. Well, actually, Jace found the salon. So we were at the farmhouse a couple of years ago, and I'm like,

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jace found the salon.

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He found it.

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I did.

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He did.

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Found her.

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So we. We get a tenant. We get.

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Does this person do Jace's as well? Oh, no, because it's not much of a poster looking.

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Tell the story, babe.

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I'm trying. Trying, just trying. We get a subscription, I guess it's free to all the residents there called Murray Living Murray, Tennessee. It's the county. And on the very back of the magazine, it just happened to be laying on our coffee table. Jase just opened it up, and in the very back, he said, why don't you try this salon? Because I was complaining because my hairdresser had left Monroe and he's now in Colorado and he's not coming. Nobody can do it. Like, you know, like, when you get used to somebody. You know, ladies, when you get used to somebody. See, I know. I see Maddie shaking her head over there. Yes. It's like a death. It's like a death. You gotta find somebody brand new from scratch.

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And I have to say, even for men, or at least this man. I'm like that because I've been chasing Connie sue around for almost 40 years now, because she's now like that about it.

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And I was like that about his toes.

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He only.

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He likes to get pedicures.

[A]

Where is this going?

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Yeah, I had a pedicure, and they were making fun of me on the other podcast. I said, I'm secure enough in my masculinity that I can do a pedicure and be fine. It's.

[B]

But they were like, welcome to the podcast.

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I. I will say I have a nail salon there as well. So when I go there, I get hair. And the pedicure people there are fantastic. And it's not like Munro.

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Well, mine started me, because when I first started, I was back when I was still fat, and so I couldn't bend over very easily to do my own feet. And so then it just became convenient. I shifted over to the shoes you slip on, and then I had.

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Could you see your feet? Could you see?

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Well, some days. And then I let. These wonderful ladies were so good at it. It was like, why would I ever do that? So now when I see my toenails getting to that point where I'm gonna have to clip them, even though now I can do it.

[A]

This is disgusting.

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Oh, it's terrible.

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Just talk about it.

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Well, but it shows the hypocrisy in this conversation, because, look, while you were gone, I cut my hair. I cut half my beard off. No one noticed. No one noticed.

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You would have noticed. You didn't either.

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She didn't notice.

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I pointed because it's not near enough.

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And she said, oh, I thought you had your hair up or something. But she didn't notice. And so that's why I'm saying, why. Why do all this?

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Nobody.

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Nobody cares at this stage of our life, nobody cares.

[A]

No one cares. You're right. No one cares except yourself. I care. I care about the way that I'm big on my hair because I don't have any. So I buy it and have someone put it in for me. It's called extensions. I'm not ashamed. I am not ashamed. I am unashamed.

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I was disgusting with Missy.

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I am unashamed about my hair.

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Shocked me today.

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That might be the greatest line.

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It takes a special set of skills to do that.

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Takes somebody to put it in.

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So when someone says in Tennessee, in

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a state that's five states away, when

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someone says, oh, that's not your hair, I said, yes, it is. I have the receipt for it.

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But look, you know what's funny, babe? You really. It really meant a lot to her because she's never had. You know, she has thin hair and it was getting thinner.

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Well, it all mainly happened when my body went through a lot of trauma before I got pregnant with Mia. And then all through Mia's pregnancy, it just never recovered. Just never did.

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But you remember what I told you.

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I thought you would remember this one exact line, okay?

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I said, babe, if you're bald, I'm okay with it.

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See, so that's why it's not for you, it's for me.

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Yeah. And then she said that. She said, I'm doing this for me.

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I was like, well, when I first went to the salon in Tennessee, I came home and, oh, I was showing him. He loved it. Oh, it looks great. He said, how much did that set you back? I said, do you really want to know? And he said, no, it's fine. So to this day, he's never asked me how much it costs.

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No, I took that to mean. I took that to mean, Zach, a lot.

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Yeah, well, I'd said exactly what. Well, Jill. So Jill has a disease called vitiligo. So her whole. All her skin is lot. Like it's pigment that's gone probably 90, maybe not 90, 80 of her body. And so she spends money on. On skin care. And I just don't ask questions about it.

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No, it's best not to.

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Well, we're just coming. We're just bearing all our soul there.

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These are some of the keys to a very happy marriage. Really, it is. Just let us do our thing. And Jill and I are both smart enough we're not going to spend a ridiculous amount that we don't have. So as long as we have it, our husbands allow us to spend it, and we're better women for it.

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That's what I always tell. I'll tell you that.

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No, it ain't cheap. I did the same thing you said, Chase. I was like, I don't care. Like, I love you. Like, I. I tried to just do the affirmation. And I got the same, this ain't for you.

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This is for you.

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Well, I. I wasn't. I think I convinced her that I really didn't. I was like, but if you want to do this, great. I mean, but I don't care. So don't feel like you have to do this. You know, if all your hair falls out. I mean, I committed, and we're going all the way.

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Well, Lisa said one time that she will be buried in her casket with bleached blond hair. And I said I will be buried with extensions. So there you go.

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And she told me plainly, if I'm still around, do not open. It's a closed casket with a picture, one of my better pictures on top. She said, you know, I guess you

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could do one of those wraps. Like, you know, you wrap a car, you could wrap the casket in a picture of.

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But she does not. She doesn't want to be caught. She doesn't want to people be comment like, oh, she looks so good when they really think, oh, I found this

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so enlightening because somebody who was raised out in the woods, when she told me that this was. People were doing this, I mean, I was like, remember? I was so shocked. I was like, they take other hair and put it on you. And like, you would say, like, we'd be watching something like a news anchor. And she's like, oh, she's got new extensions. And I was like, how can you tell?

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How can tell?

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This is crazy. The other people are doing this. I thought you were just doing it because you have thin hair, but I.

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One of the producers of Duck Dynasty actually told me because they're the ones who suggested it to me. They asked, would you be open to wearing them? And I said, absolutely, especially if you're going to pay for it. Which. So for five years, they paid for them.

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Are you serious?

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Yes, I'm dead serious.

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That's what she got hooked. That's how it all starts.

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Yeah, it starts worried about the little. You know, oh, well, this is.

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Well, I told. I told Jill because I've. I mean, as I got older, you know, my, My, my up top is thinning. You know what I mean? Big time. And not like, crazy where I'm bald, but it's definitely not like I don't have the hairline I had when I was about 30.

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Well, in the spirit of fail, Zach, it's coming.

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Yeah.

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Or going.

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It's going to get worse.

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It's more going.

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Running away from my hairline's running away from My eyebrows. But I. I was like, I'm gonna go get the hair extensions and. Or not hair extensions. What they call them plugs.

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Plugs.

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And so I said, there's two things. If I ever do that, you'll never know. I said, if I get hair plugs, I'll never tell you. And then if I ever win the lottery, I'll never tell you. You'll just. And she. And I told all my friends and family this. And nobody thinks that I could do something like that and not say it, but I think I. I mean, but I've told them, if I ever did it, I'd never tell you.

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Well, because we'll probably know.

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6. And I say, you do have Jay, so we'll tell the world.

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I wouldn't say if he notices, but it doesn'. I have a perception about people. I'm good at reading people, so I'll know. I'll know.

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You think. You think you would know if I got hair. Hair plugs?

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Oh, I'd know. And I would say I'd have a meeting with you over say, don't do that.

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It's already done. If I did it, it'd already be done.

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Now you can't take it seems vain for a man to do that, but it doesn't for a woman.

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That's why I wouldn't want him.

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I mean, Zach's making fun of me for pedicures, but he's talking about hair plugs.

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Zach's life. I'm not going to tell anybody. You just told it to a million people.

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So you ever think about this? That we all know the story of the cross. We've heard it since we were kids, which is great, right? We need to be dripped in the truth of God's word, particularly the cross of Calvary. But what if you could hear it from a totally different perspective? That's actually the idea behind this book from our friend Tim Tebow. If the tree could speak. We've all read it and absolutely love it.

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Yeah. And we had Tim on the podcast to talk about it. It's a phenomenal idea. I love that. One of my favorite parts in the book is when the cross realizes its job was as an execution tool. It's so disappointed. But then when he realizes it's to hold up the savior of the world, you know, he's really very special. So it's kind of a cool thing.

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I think it's great for kids to read, and I think it's a great conversation starter.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah. Walks through the Crucifixion of Jesus from the perspective of the cross, which, you know, if you can animate that cross and personify the cross, it would be the closest witness to the events that happened that day. And, man, I'm telling you, this is a super powerful book. It's very well written, beautifully illustrated, and it makes you slow down and really feel the weight of what Jesus did. So even if you've heard the Easter story a thousand times, this one is going to challenge you. It's going to deepen your faith. We hope this becomes part of your Easter tradition to read with your family. We really believe that this book will stick with you long after you put it down. And you're going to want to pick it up every single year as you prepare for the Easter celebration, which is right around the corner. So step inside the story, hear the witness, and experience Easter like never before. Check out this book right here. Tim Tebow's book, if the Tree Could Speak on Amazon. That's if the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow. Order your copy on Amazon today. If I get them.

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If I get them, we know you'll just.

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Because I wouldn't overdo it. I would just do enough to where you were like, oh, he's got nice hair. I wouldn't want you to think I have nice hair. I just don't want you to think he's thinning. He's got to set the right expectation. But so we've had this conversation. Me and Joe have had it multiple times. So now everybody in my family's like, if you got them, we would know.

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Apparently, they're going to watch now. They're going to watch for it.

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They're looking for it.

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I was looking for that verse that says, man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. It's in First Samuel somewhere, Samuel 16. So there you go.

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That'll preach.

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But David was a ruddy handsome man. Dude.

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Yeah. I've actually just get. I. I ain't giving up on it, but, like, I do. It's the Chuck Norris thing we talked about in the last episode. I mean, you know, there is a.

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Did you know Chuck Norris passed away?

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I saw that this morning.

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He was one of my childhood heroes that we talked about.

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What's funny? I got four texts on that this morning.

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Wow.

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On the Chuck Nor, I had four people text me, did you hear Chuck Norris died?

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Well, and the reason why is because the joke was about him. He was invincible. So, like, you know, everybody Chuck Norris, all the jokes and stuff. And so, like, what happens when the invincible die, well, he's like everybody else, you know, which we talked about.

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Well, we invited you here, babe. We're in first, John. And the theme of it has quickly developed into love after Al pointed out that in chapter four, it's mentioned 27 times.

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Just the stretch from seven to 21. Just 15 verses.

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27. But I think you're in such a good mood because you got to see all your kids.

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I'm in such a good mood. I was very like it. It totally filled my cup because none of them live here. So when you get to see all four of your grown kids, and then all four, I got to, you know, even love on little Georgie there, that's about to be born. All four of your grandkids, making sure everybody's doing good.

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Now, wait a minute. You said that quickly. Have they decided the name? You said Little George, or you just called him Little George?

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I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. They haven't decided on a middle name yet, but, yes, I think it's okay, George. If it's not, I'll let you know, Maddie. And you can take that out.

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If this makes it in the podcast,

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just leave her talking about it, Maddie. But then just do a blank out on there where the audience will be like, whoa, what is that?

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It's just so. It's incredible, too, just to say that we're about to have number four, and Maris is. Who's the oldest, and they're just. They're just pure joy. They're just pure joy. And David, bless his heart, he ran fever for seven days straight. Nothing came of it. He was just kind of lethargic, wanting to be loved on. It was kind of a little fever virus going around through their. Their families and their little community of friends. And so. But the way that they just lived their life, it just reminds me of that. Well, of course, Proverbs 31, who we went through with Lysa. But to be busy at home and mind your own business, and that's, you know, when you're busy at home, you really don't have time to mind other people's business. And I see that that's what's happening with Brighton. I mean, I was there to. I wanted to make sure I earned my keep because I had to stay with them in their home, because I don't know if you told. During the ice storm, our Tennessee home got hit hard, too.

[C]

The same one that was just recovering

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from the tornado, being rebuilt from the tornado.

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We're two years into the reconstruction.

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Now, have you ever felt like, missy, sometimes the book of Jonah, you're just

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like, oh, reads the contract. He's like, I just feel like it's fighting against me. But the two bathrooms that were okay, and we could still live in that part of the house, a pipe burst upstairs and flooded both bathrooms. So the floor of the upstairs bathroom fell through, and the ceiling of the downstairs bathroom fell through. So the silver lining is we get two new bathrooms and new wood floors on that side. So. But earning my keep at Reed and Brighton's very busy house, it was easier this time because poor Brighton is. Her attitude is fantastic, but she's so tired. So I was able to help, you know, cook and clean up and bathe the kids, which to me is just a joy. Total joy. And they're so grateful, so thankful. So that was super, super fun. I loved that.

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Yeah.

[A]

But thrown in the middle of that trip, I had something else super fun. And we took a girls trip to New York City. So my cousin Tori. So I'm the oldest grandchildren of my GGM pops, and she's the youngest grandchild. And there is. So she's 32 and I'm 54. Just 22 years difference in us. And she is hysterical because for most of her life, she cannot remember how we're related. And she's a blonde. She's a true blonde.

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I was gonna say, is it real blonde? Cause I have to ask the question.

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Laugh at her. She laughs at herself. She could not remember. Like, we would be driving in the car, and I would say something to our grandma Gigi, and we'd talk, and she's like, why are you calling her Gigi? Like, she's my grandma. She said, no, she's my grandma. Yes, we have the same grandmother.

[C]

That's called cousins.

[A]

Yeah, our mothers are sisters. And she said, what? Aunt Peggy is your mom? And I'm just like, oh, God. Okay, let's start this over again. Because Reed's different because she's one year older than Reed. So she always thought Reed and Cole were her first cousins. So which would make me her aunt. I'm not her aunt, but I've given that up years ago. Even at Cole's rehearsal dinner. This was so funny. At Cole's rehearsal dinner, just this past October, she took one of the kids, my grandkids, to the restroom, and Emma Lynn's mom was in the restroom with one of her grandkids, and she said, now. She looked at Tori and said, now, how are you related to Cole? And Tori said, I totally blanked. And I said, I'm probably not the best one to explain that to you.

[C]

Like, it's a Rubik's Cube, right.

[B]

She realizes how that's coming across. Cause then most people then are thinking,

[C]

are you really in this family? But, you know, dear tree, does your

[D]

tree have her fork in it?

[A]

She's on first. She's Bonnie's. She's Bonnie's daughter, who is my aunt.

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She would be Cole's first cousin once removed.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Explain that to her. So explain that to me.

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I know that because I've asked the question. I've had this conversation with Reed, and how are we related? I said. And then we looked it up, and I'm like, I'm your first cousin once removed because your dad's my first cousin.

[C]

Yeah. They used to say second cousin, third cousin, or what. Now they changed it.

[B]

Somebody got offended by that.

[C]

I don't know where the remove came from, but that's one generation I thought removed.

[A]

Somebody got a divorce. Yeah.

[B]

We can't have.

[C]

You didn't want to be second.

[B]

Well, that's right.

[D]

You don't want to be second now.

[B]

That's why they're giving trophies to everybody who participates in Little League baseball. There's no winning. There's no first. There's no second.

[C]

It was at the time we were getting on a plane, and Carly and Bailey were young. They were going with us, and they. And they had gotten to sit up in first class the last time. And Bailey said, papa, are we sitting in first class or second class today? She said, second class. Well, they call it coach, but, yeah, today is coach.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

You know why somebody don't want to be a second class?

[C]

That they call it codes?

[D]

Well, I've been on a plane with Al before to Europe, and he had first class seats, and I had second class.

[C]

I don't. I don't do coach for Europe. I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna sleep.

[D]

And I got. He brought it up several times throughout the trip. Hey, how was y' all steak back there in the back?

[C]

I said I thought my. My filet was not quite done to my liking. How was it back there with that?

[D]

And I'm the one who booked that trip. That's what's crazy about it. Like, I didn't like back then. I didn't.

[C]

But, Zach, I was talent. You were still just a producer.

[D]

I know I should have been like, I'm a producer, man. I'm up front with.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna Tell you, speaking of first class, can I talk about the hotel on here?

[B]

Great.

[A]

Okay. We stayed at the Trump hotel on West 59th Street.

[C]

Is that the one that's Central Park?

[A]

Yes, Columbus Circle.

[C]

It's my favorite.

[A]

We've stayed there. You know, A and E would put us there and then Fox put us there for. For duck, Family treasure. And as long as I have money, I will not stay anywhere else.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

But they know us too.

[A]

I don't think they know me. Without you, I'm just another.

[C]

Jay's became very famous.

[B]

I got kicked out and we've, we've put that behind us.

[A]

Have we?

[B]

They did. They rolled out the red carpet.

[C]

You got the assistant call, didn't you?

[D]

That is like, is this the one? This is in D.C. or in now?

[C]

This is in New York. It's right at Columbus Circle.

[B]

For those of you who are not born then I was kicked out of the Trump Hotel that I was supposed to be at because.

[A]

No, no, you were at.

[C]

You were there. We were about to leave to go do a show.

[B]

Yep. And I asked where the bathroom was down there. Next thing I know, somebody took my arm and escorted me to Central park and said, good luck to you.

[D]

So I'll be honest, for a while I just assumed health insurance was one of those things you just don't question. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that that really doesn't align with what I believe. And that's when my family and I started to look into Christian healthcare ministries. It's called chm. It's a Christian alternative to health insurance. It costs about half the cost of the traditional marketplace plans. Yes, the savings are real. This is a non profit ministry, so I'm not paying into some company's profit margin. I'm actually joining a community. Believers who share each other's medical burdens financially and in prayer as well, you know, there's also real freedom because we're not stuck in a limited network. We get to choose the doctors, the surgeons, the hospitals that make sense for us. CHM offers four flexible low cost programs for every stage of life. And we. And you can enroll or switch anytime without waiting on open enrollment. And with CHM's care solutions, you get access to virtual visits, prescription savings, surgery support and much more.

[C]

So Zach, Elise and I have had been the direct benefit. When we went through her breast cancer, man, it was just so many costs we couldn't pay for and these guys walked alongside us. But what I loved about it even more was the prayer and the support and the notes of encouragement that even would come in with our checks. So it was. It's a great ministry. It's a great feeling when you're going through a difficult time.

[D]

Yeah. So why limit yourself for no reason? I mean, make the switch today before getting locked into another insurance plan. You can start today by visiting chministries.org unashamed. You can use our promo code unashamed. And you get 50% credit toward your first month. That's chministries.org unashamed and use the promo code unashamed.

[A]

So Jesus is still there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's amazing. My friend. My friend. He's just, you know, but. But then he. Then he was like, what room? And I told him, he was like, oh, Mrs. Robertson. So he did not recognize me. He treat. They treat everyone as if they were a celebrity. Whether you are or not, you are treated first class. So then I told him who I was. Then he remembered you, of course. And so we talked about that incident and we were laughing. I said, of course. Obviously it didn't affect us. I will not stay anywhere else. This is the most fabulous place here. I was like. I told him that, you know, not then President Trump, but his assistant called you after finding that out. And you said one thing. You said, hey, look, he was doing his job. He's protecting the property. He was doing his job. And he did it in a nice and cordial way, took you out to Central park and said, good luck, sir. You know, so right across the street,

[C]

he said, he did everything but slip you a $5 bill.

[B]

Well, what's funny is the assistant with Trump in the background was like, fire him. And I was like, no. That's why I said that. I was like, no, don't. Don't fire him. I mean, if. If I was in New York and a guy looking like me showed up

[A]

before the haircut, and I cordially.

[C]

Probably wearing camo, too.

[B]

Yeah. And I was cordially escorted out of the premises. I would think that man's doing his job. I could be a threat.

[A]

So I have breaking news. Jesus. Jesus said. He came to me very closely, and he said, that man who did that? And I said, oh, no. He said he was dismissed.

[B]

Oh, he was.

[A]

I said, what? No. I said, oh, no. I'm going to have to tell Jace this. He said, that does not happen and will not happen here at the Trump.

[B]

Well, I tried to save your job, buddy.

[A]

He also said in his Latino accent, he said, tell Jase, Jesus says hello.

[B]

Oh, I like where he's going.

[A]

Yeah, he did. He's so sweet.

[B]

Since you told that story, you have to tell the story about y' all going somewhere else and then hailing a cab. And then what happened?

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. Which. Which time? Leaving.

[B]

They said, where are you going? And y' all got in the car. You're not going to believe this.

[A]

Okay, so, yeah, this is. This is disturbing. So. Well, look, first, let me just say New York is super fun. We took the subway, we hailed cabs, we walked. We never felt threatened. Mia did some things on her own by herself. You know, it's what she does. She's very independent. I could track her location because she shared it with me, but I would look up and be like, oh, she's down on 3rd Street. What is she. We're staying on 59th. What is she doing? She just went down there to get a picture by the Brooklyn Bridge because she said, there's a little spot where you can get a picture with the Empire State Building right in the window in the background. It's an awesome picture. She just went down there by herself at 7:15 one morning and took the subway. I was like, okay, now that you're back, how was it? You know, so there's things like that as a mom, I'm like, ah, then that's why she doesn't tell me. She just goes and does it. But so Saturday night, we went to see a Broadway show, went out to dinner, went to see a Broadway show. And you know, the theater district, they all get out about the same time. Once that last show is over, there are people everywhere, cabs everywhere, cars everywhere. Like, private cars, all of that. And so it's like every man for themselves to hail a cab. It was too far. I would have walked back. But we had one person in our party who chose to wear high heels. And they had already walked from the hotel to dinner to Broadway. And they said, over my dead body am I walking back or my aching. I'll leave that one private. I won't tell you who that one was. So. But anyway, I was like, okay, so we have to hail a cab. So we go out and there's this. First, there's this private car, black car. And he says, you need taxiing. And I was like, oh, yeah, here's one. Me. I'm like, no, get back. She was like, telling him, get back. Get back. And she was like, mom, no. Get away from there. I was like, what? What? What in the world? Then another black car pulls up behind him. Like, these are all to me, they're trying to get business. They're Ubers or Lyfts or something. But Mia just. And he came around, he said, you need taxi. She said, don't harass us. Get out of here. And I was like, oh, my 22 year old daughter is like. And one of my older cousins said, mia, you are savage. I was just like, what in the world? Like, why is she being so adamant about this? And she was like, hella yellow cab light on all that. So we knew how to do that. We held a yellow cab, came in because we had to split up. There were six of us, so three and one.

[B]

It was because some people impersonate.

[A]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. So the yellow cab, we open the door, Mia gets in first and she says, Trump West 59th, Columbus Circle. And he said, what? She said, trump Hotel, Columbus Circle. Get out. Get out of my cab. What? Get out of my cab. Get out. We said, trump, too early.

[B]

Yeah. He's like, I ain't taking you to the Trump Hotel.

[C]

Get out.

[A]

He's not taking us to the.

[B]

It shows you how divided our country is.

[A]

Wow. Yeah. So I was like, are you serious? You know, we're dressed. Get. Karina, get out even.

[C]

Cause you're staying at the Trump Hotel, no ride for you.

[A]

Uh, uh, wow. So I was like, well, actually that was Saturday night. We'd been there for. That was our third day. I'm kind of surprised that was the first time it happened because we had ridden in some cabs and we say that every time we'd get in a cab. And so then the second one came along and I said, say columbus Circle first. So Mia gets in, says Columbus Circle. And we all got in, shut the door. And he said, where on Columbus? And she said, trump Hotel. And he said, okay, so here we go. And we passed this man who was yelling at us, you need taxi. You need taxi. And I said, look, somebody got in. And he said, you. You do not get in that car.

[D]

That.

[A]

That man is illegal. And I was thinking he is an illegal alien is what he was saying. But he said what he's doing is illegal. He said he will rip off whoever is in that cab. He's going to charge them $50 or $60 for something that we're about to pay 18 for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so he said he's been, he's been, you know, charged and fined two or three times at three or four hundred dollars a piece, and he still does it. He said, ladies, never get into a car an unmarked car. You don't know who it is, and you don't know where he's going. So I thought, okay. Mia looked at me, and I was like, you were right. She was like, see, mom? You know, she was validated. But. But the girl is. She is. She's savage. She is.

[C]

She's savage and savvy. She's both.

[B]

Doesn't that make you feel good that you're learning from your kids?

[A]

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

[B]

We're in that stage.

[A]

We are. We are. I love it.

[B]

The new world.

[C]

But, you know, Mia's traveled a lot. She's been a lot of big cities. She's been in other countries.

[A]

She studied in Costa Rica.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. So she, you know, you think about it. They get a certain amount of comfort level that we probably never do because we're like small towners. And I'm always looking over my shoulder when I go to those. It is to think as the most visiting mountain.

[A]

Well, she. She googled, because she and I are both into, like, antiques and thrifting. And she said, there is a. There's a flea market in Chelsea. And I said, ooh, ooh, ooh, we should go. I want to see what New Yorkers throw away. You know, I want to go see. And so we. She and I, by ourselves, went on Saturday evening before. Before the Broadway show. And, yeah, it was awesome. I brought two back, two gold antique frames that were about falling apart in my suitcase back. And he started off for two for 100, and I got him down to 20 bucks.

[C]

So, you know, the statement you just made is something that has never come out of my mind. I want to go see what insert the place throws away.

[A]

That's what they're doing.

[C]

I know. They're a spring taste. I would never do that.

[B]

Well, in my feeble mind, she has these two, but there was a portrait in both frames. I didn't make the connection.

[A]

It was a print, basically.

[B]

And one of them was one of the ugliest women I've ever seen in my life. And I thought, why would you buy that?

[A]

Do you know who it was?

[B]

Well, don't say it in public, because I just called her one of the ugliest women I've ever seen.

[A]

She's dead. It's okay.

[B]

She may have family.

[A]

It's the Mona Lisa.

[D]

Oh,

[C]

it's kind of a famous page. Who is that ugly one? I said, why would you buy a

[B]

picture of somebody else?

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[D]

He didn't want to hurt the moment. He didn't want to hurt Mona Lisa.

[C]

Yeah, she only lived about.

[A]

It's a print. It wasn't the actual painting.

[D]

Well, let me tell you what happened at our house. So Jill does the same thing. So she thrifts, and so she started collecting these, like, these prints. Same thing. Like what you described, the different people. And. And a lot of them, they're just like, like. And every one of them, the person has a pipe that's like their hurt. Like, I guess that's the. That's the thread that goes through all of these. So she finds an old print with a cool frame, and there's a pipe involved. Then she gets it, and so she bought this one and put it up in a certain part of our house. I didn't see it for months.

[A]

And my friends, typical man.

[D]

I didn't even notice it. And then my buddy's like, like, zach, why do you have a picture of Karl Marx up in your house?

[A]

Oh.

[D]

And I was like, what? I don't have a picture of Karl Marx in my house. And they.

[B]

Yeah, you do. And they.

[D]

And they point to the picture. And I'm like, jill has bought a picture, a sketch of Karl Marx with a pipe and puts it up in her house. And I'm like, jill, what. What did you. Jill's just like, I just. I just like the picture. I'm like, it's Karl Marx, you know, and that. So we. We had a Marxist sketch in our home for I don't know how. For I don't know how many months. And who knows who saw that and probably thinks, keep the frame and lose the price.

[C]

If you're wondering what the statute of limitations is on calling a woman ugly, Lisa Garradini, who is the person that this. The actual Mona Lisa was there. Well, that was painted 525 years. Yeah, I guess I got some statue of levitations her.

[B]

Kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids.

[C]

They're probably not listening to this podcast. Yeah.

[D]

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[A]

So here's what I'm doing, though. It was actually a mirror, and she had. In the. In the top portion, it was a print of her. But what I'm doing is I'm collecting and trying to find these beautiful antique frames, because at Logtown, in our bridal suite, I'm making what I'm calling a wedding wall, which is the wedding portraits, starting with me and Jase and going to our parents and grandparents, and then down because we have two children now that have been married. So I have a picture of Granny and Paul, which is Phil's parents. It's not their wedding picture, but it's

[C]

because no one's ever seen their wedding picture.

[A]

No one's ever seen their wedding picture, but it's a picture.

[B]

They really were married.

[C]

I don't know. They were cousins, so maybe not. Speaking of wondering how we all got here.

[A]

Melissa. Melissa can go on about that. Zach's sister. But. But it was a. It's a really. Like, they're. They're older, but they're laughing together.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's an awesome picture of them.

[C]

I think.

[A]

Another one you're talking. And so I'm trying. If they don't. If I don't have the actual wedding photo, I just want, like, a really good, fun, relaxed picture of them. So that's what I'm making in Logtown. So I can't wait to kind of finish that project. That's cool.

[B]

So, yeah, you're just passing the love legacy down.

[A]

I'm trying. It's worth it.

[B]

It.

[A]

It's worth it. Come from. Great.

[D]

I don't have any pictures. I didn't know there were any in existence.

[C]

There are a few.

[A]

I'll send. I'll send it to you with the one I have. Yeah, it's great.

[C]

We found a few for the show, but for.

[D]

For my birthday or Christmas, Jill got me a commission. Someone to sketch a portrait of my. I don't know how many layers back, but, like, great, great, great, great, great grandfather on the Dasher side, his name was Herman Christian Dasher. And so we grew up. If you've listened to the podcast, we grew up in what's called the restoration movement, the Churches of Christ, which started, I think, in the 1800s. Maybe there's a guy named Campbell and

[C]

Stone yeah, it's around right after the Civil War. Yeah.

[D]

So there was another guy, Herman Christian Dasher, who is. I'm related to. And he joined up with them in the early days and he was a church planner. This whole thing is I reading up on him. I was like, how cool is this? That this is kind of like in our. Our family history. They actually moved from Salsburg, Austria to Georgia, Ebenezer, Georgia, back in the like 1700s. There's this whole thing. So she finds a picture of this guy, has this. Someone sketch it and then puts it in a really cool frame. And so I'm going to put it in my office at some point. But that was. That was a pretty cool gift, though.

[A]

Yeah. I think now that we can preserve more because even I asked ain't Ann or Lisa did for me a picture of Kay and her parents, like, do you have a wedding picture or any picture? And a said, I've never seen one.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And I thought, how sad that that is to not have a picture of your parents, you know. And he, you know, he died when Kay was 14, so there's a lot of time that was missed. But not one picture of your parents, like laughing or hugging or kissing or getting married or, you know, I don't want that to happen. I don't want that to happen. And I know I just want to like, preserve some of that stuff. And I think Logtown will be a great place to do that. So.

[C]

But you're right, I took talk about this a lot. And now that we're in the digital era, where there's so much video and so much made of our families and things we're able to do and preserve, it is shockingly, you know, it just wasn't that long ago when that was just not the case. And so you do have that. And I was, I was thinking about it with the all when I talk about dad because there's so much content out there with dad on the Internet. On all of our shows, we've done all this stuff. But his great grandfather, you know, there's one picture. I got one picture and two stories from granny about him. Judge Depth of Robertson, she told me how he died. And there's a picture of him. He looks a lot like dad because he had the beard, he's got the Roman nose. But he lived, you know, 1850. He lived 100 years prior. And, you know, it was really interesting because that's all I know about him and probably ever will know. And this was someone, I guess he was my great Great grandfather. But you're right, it's sad to not know and to have some semblance of your roots and who you are and, you know, how far back you go. And if you don't preserve it, people will just forget. You know, they just. They won't even.

[B]

Well, but some people don't want to know. Look, on the way to this podcast, a guy zoomed by me on a motorcycle. And so I looked, and he stopped at a red light. He had a bunny. He was dressed as a bunny. And look, when he stopped at the red light, he started bouncing on the motorcycle. And I couldn't help but look. I got my camera out and took a picture of him.

[A]

Oh, wow, a guy.

[B]

And I thought, I wonder what his.

[C]

Do you think he was the Easter Bunny?

[B]

I mean, it's not even Easter yet. By the time this airs, it'll be Easter Bunny.

[C]

We're not actually.

[D]

We don't use the name Easter.

[C]

Any eager buddy, was he?

[A]

I heard all about this when I got up.

[B]

I'm in the process of trademarking all entities with that, because I think that's

[C]

going to be big.

[B]

I think it's going to be big, guys. And I just want y' all to know it's having memories of when my dad brought in the duck call. And I think we should change it.

[C]

I mean, I'm going to preach about it on Easter Sunday. Eager Sunday. It's. It's going to happen. I'm going to start the wheels in motion at our church.

[D]

Maybe I will, too. I'm preaching on. I'm actually preaching at our church on Easter.

[B]

I mean, look, I didn't even notice. I got it from Romans 8, 19.

[C]

I know where you got it.

[B]

But then when he gets to 23, he says, not only the whole creation, but we eagerly await the redemption of our bodies. We're talking about the sons of God being revealed, and we're talking about some spring goddess from the pagan world. He's painting some eggs.

[C]

I never knew anything about that name till Jason.

[B]

No, we need to cull.

[C]

That's one of Jesus Ra. That pays off.

[B]

And look, it was a rabbit hole.

[C]

Get it?

[B]

Bunny.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Now I got a guy following me around with a bike, dressed up as a bunny. It's just a sign.

[A]

It's a sign that it's Easter.

[B]

Well, I didn't finish my thought, though. If this guy has kids, what are they thinking? My dad's driving, right? I don't know if they want to preserve that legacy, but maybe so.

[C]

It's Definitely not something you see every day.

[D]

I don't think he has kids. I think that's the kind of guy, when he comes near your kids.

[A]

Well, it's kind of like what you're saying. Like, some people, you don't really want to preserve your legacy, even if you're not consciously thinking that, subconsciously thinking about that. Because I had a young mom talk to me this week, and she said she was in my home. She does some things in my home, so she's familiar with my home, and she's so encouraging. She sends me texts all the time. Like, she sent me one thing that she saw the mustard seed in our bedroom, and what an encouragement that is. Well, we got that from Timmy Tebow's event. He gave us that one one time when we were there. And I have it sitting next to our wedding portrait and the candle that was at our wedding that we used at our wedding 35 years ago. 35 and a half years ago. And she mentioned to me one time what an encouragement that was to her because of our marriage and how she feels God in our home. She feels the spirit of God in our home. And I thought, we're making a difference to someone who's outside of our family that just happens to be inside of our family, from the faith of a mustard seed to what we've built our family on now, which is that faith. But it can be so small, you know, to have your family in this legacy that we do want to extend far beyond us. And. And she told me this week, sometimes I think I want to. When I need some advice about my children, I want to call my mom, but my mom. I don't want my mom's advice. My mom wasn't a great mom. And I told her, you are welcome to text me or call me. And she looked at me and she said, really? Of course. I may not know the exact right answer, but. But I've raised my children, and they're all pretty great, you know, we'll say. So if you have any questions, I can give you my advice. You can take it or leave it, but I'll be happy to do that. And it was like I told Jase, I said, it's so crazy to think that these young moms do not have people in their life, because I did, and I thought that was normal. And what's normal now is you're on your own and Facebook and Instagram and all of these TikToks. This is where they're getting their advice. And it can be very scary. So a Legacy, maybe is not just for your own family, but helping others as well.

[C]

So, Jase, we got three dogs at our compound and two of them are very well mannered but not real smart. You know, we say God bless them, but one of them has terrible manners but is very smart with great instincts. Can you relate to that at all?

[B]

I can a little bit. Overall, look, I fed my dogs this morning and everybody was happy, happy, happy. I went with the rough greens.

[C]

And we love dogs. They show up for us every single day. But we know as they get older they get a little slower, a little pickier, stomachs get a little bit more sensitive. And part of the reason that that happens is because of traditional dog food, it's missing what they need. It's missing probiotics and enzymes, omega oils, and this is the big one. And live vitamins and minerals that your dog needs to digest and absorb food. And that's where our good friends at Ruff Greens come in that Jase mentioned. Ruff Greens is America's number one dog supplement. You sprinkle it right on their food. It's packed with all the live nutrients that they need. Plus it's all natural and it's made in the usa. Ruff Greens is helping dogs feel younger, more energetic and healthier than they have in years. Your dog could be one of them. I've certainly seen it in mind. Their coats are shinier. They seem to be in a better mood all the time. And so can your, your dogs get a free jump start trial bag for your dog. You just cover the shipping. Go to ruffgreens.com use the discount code. Unashamed rough greens. We make any dog food better. You're right. And, and makes a difference for people. And the mementos that you mentioned are things you can that help you remember. Lisa and I went to Alaska a few years ago. First time we went actually, actually and we visited. There was a guy that had supported One Kingdom for many years and he's a famous artist up there and right near Homer and he has a gallery. And so we went into the gallery and Brandon, Joneel were with us and we went to see him. We were doing some other stuff there, but we actually went to visit him. Just thank him for being a supporter. And so at this point he was like in his late 80s. He's passed now. He passed last year in his mid-90s and he was, was about 98% blind now. He just had a little bit of vision left in one eye and. But he was still painting like he still had A studio. He did about 10 paintings that year. He has to have it so bright and hot. It gets hot in there to see what little bit he was doing. So that's what he was doing. We were there, but we were just looking at the gallery, and it was amazing. It's like something you see in New York. It was beautiful Northern Lights and Mount McKinley and all these beautiful lights, like Alaskan landscape stuff. And we found this one that just looked like it didn't belong. And it was called. Because he named them all. It'd be like Morning in the Meadow. You know, stuff like you would name pictures or paintings, and they were. This one was called through the Fires of Pain. And it. It just looked like almost like if Alaska had been a hellscape or like in hell, this is because it looked like everything was on fire. And then there was, like. Even had a little person in the thing. And so I was looking at. I thought, man, I was reading about it. So I asked him, I said, norm, what about this? The Fires of Pain? Nothing else looks like that in here. And he said, oh, that was a particularly tough period we went through while we were here. And it's just a reminder to me that you have to stay true, you know, to why you came. Because, you know, they came to Alaska in 59. I mean, before it was even a state. And so that was. That was one of the prints. We were. I told Lisa we were going to buy a couple of prints just to support what he was doing. And we bought that. That one. And we. We hung it in our bedroom, the most intimate place for us, because it was a reminder of what we had gone through, you know, to put our marriage back together and to make it work. And so it's not there anymore, but I have it just now have it in my storage unit. But every time I see it or see a picture of it, if we talk about the marriage refresh, I always say you need those reminders, both good and bad, to allow you to see where God has brought you to. And so I love that. That's the idea about the mustard seed. Something so small. And in the moment he was talking about, he was like, look, if you could just. If you could just muster a little, you'll be amazed at what I can bless you with. But we need things like that in our life. We need reminders, you know.

[B]

Oh, I had an epiphany yesterday. I went treasure hunting. I was off yesterday, and my two buddies no showed me. So I was out there by myself. So I only went Three or four hours. But I found this hot spot in the middle of a field that I've hunted many times, and I'm finding all this stuff, but everything looked like it had been burned and didn't look like it. It had been. The latest thing I found was a 1909 quarter. So it was all before that. And it was just stuff. I mean, I was just finding all this stuff. And it kind of hit me after a while. I thought, all these people are gone, and I'm out here in the middle of nowhere. And there was a fire. I mean, couldn't have been good. The place burned down, and I found a lot of valuable stuff. And I was like, I'm sure this was traumatic. And the more I thought about it, the more I was like, having to come to Jesus meeting. You know, I was like, this is what happens. You're only here for a short time. You make the most of it, and someday people have just forgotten, and there's nothing around here but, you know, crops and all their stuff, which just burned up and got tilled over the ground for 100 years.

[C]

It was exactly like the first time I went to Munich, Germany. And we're driving out, you know, and it was pretty flat. We hadn't gotten up to the Bavarian part where the mountains are, and there was these two big, huge mountains. I mean, hills, but they were huge. And I was like, well, this seems weird for this right here. And guy driving our car said, yeah, that was the rubble from World War II. It's so big from the bombings that it looked like two mountains, but by now the grass had grown over them. It just like someplace you'd go. And I just thought, ooh, I had the same thing. I had that moment. Like, just imagine being here in the early 40s when that. When that was going on. And yet now it's just two silent hills covered in grass. All that memories gone. But, Jason, you were talking about in the last podcast about what made me think about the fires of pain, because we think about fire in terms of judgment. But there's a lot in the Bible about the refining nature of fire. Sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's helpful. You know, when you go through, well,

[B]

Luke 12, you know, Jesus makes this statement about, you know, I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. And he's like, there's a fire, and I wish it was already kindled. Well, most people only talk about judgment there, which I believe, and I'm not ashamed to say it, that that is a reaction of God's love, because it's his righteousness is involved in that. And it's kind of like with your kids, everything's great right when they're born because they don't understand the English language and they're just sweet. And I mean, even the things that they do that are annoying, like poop and all that, they're like, oh. I mean, everything is just like, oh, it's fun. First poop, you know, and all of

[C]

a sudden, let's all gather around and sing a song.

[B]

Yeah. And then they start getting older and, you know, all of a sudden some. Some fire starts to develop. Because you're mad, because they're not. You're trying to train them up. And that's. I just really think that that's. That comes from God. But, you know, there is a punishment that fire is involved. I mean, hell's real and all that. But then you have moments like with the Shadrach, Meshach and Abed, now here, they're fixed to be punished from a worldly fire. If you don't bow down and worship us and forget your God, we're going to put you in that furnace. And that's the famous Mercy Me song where it came from. Even if we're not going to turn our backs on God. And then what happens? Well, there's three of them that go in the furnace, and then somebody else shows up. Wonder who that is in a fire. So, I mean, it does have different ways of expressing itself. There's a passage in Peter that says. I think it's 1st Peter 4 that says that these fiery trials that you go through, and I think that's just the way God uses us in these situations to show it may not be peaceful, there may be suffering. People are going to make mistakes in all our relationships. But there's something about walking with God in the fires that is exactly.

[C]

We were talking in our ancient Christianity Hillsdale course that we're doing the other podcast with with Christian and John Luke. We've been reading about 2nd and 3rd century martyrs, and a lot of them were burned to death. And I mean, you're just reading along. They're like, the guy's like, if you curse Christ, you can walk out of here. And he was like, I'll never curse Christ. And then they just set him on fire and burn him. But what happened was that became the greatest witness to the truth of the gospel. Who would do that if it wasn't true? And that became, you know, one of the greatest witnesses was these people that were consistently giving their lives over their faith.

[B]

Yeah, I'll read this in First Peter 1. It says, these trials have come so that your faith this is 1 Peter 1:7 of greater worth than gold which perishes even though refined by fire, may be proved genuine, and may result in praise, glory, and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you've not seen him, you love him, and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy.

[C]

Man, that's good. And that's a good way to end. Missy. We had a long week of podcast recordings. You have come in and literally let your hair down let your hair down Fridays. And so we thank you for that. Always a pleasure having you. All right, we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.