Ep 1305 | The Problem With Calling Everything a Miracle

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Ep 1305 | The Problem With Calling Everything a Miracle

Release Date: April 6, 2026
Hosts: The Robertson Family (Phil, Al, Jase, Zach)
Special Guests: Jonathan and Gloria

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on distinguishing genuine biblical miracles from everyday occurrences, the misuse of the word "miracle" in Christian culture, and the implications of the resurrection for the daily lives of Christians. The Robertsons explore how the resurrection brings a new "mode of being," the importance of eagerly expecting Christ’s return, and the practical outworking of God’s love in our relationships—tying these themes back to Scripture and personal stories. The conversation is candid, humorous, and rich in practical theology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Setup

Timestamp: 01:06–02:35

• The hosts introduce guests Jonathan and Gloria and joke about Jonathan’s resemblance to "The Chosen’s" Jesus (Jonathan Roumie). This segues into a discussion about what Jesus probably looked like and the tendency to impose cultural biases on such images.
• Humorous asides about golf being for "rich and retired people" and the Robertson family’s bluntness about offense and sensitivity.

Quote:
"Golf is for rich people and retired people." – J Stone, relayed by Jason (02:35)

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2. On Being Offended vs. Standing for What’s Right

Timestamp: 03:54–04:25

• Contrasting being easily offended with having a secure identity in Christ.
• The difference between offense and justified defense (e.g., standing up for family respectfully).

Quote:
"We're not sensitive. We're not thin-skinned because the rest of the world seems to be... There's a difference in being offended and just not liking rudeness." – Jayce (03:54–04:23)

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3. The Resurrection: Eagerness, Reality, and the New Mode of Being

Timestamp: 04:25–10:54

• Discussion about "eager expectation" for Christ’s return, rooted in Romans 8, Philippians 3:20, and Hebrews 9.
• Exploration of what Jesus’ post-resurrection body means for believers and how modern depictions of Jesus (e.g., as Scandinavian) are likely inaccurate.
• Rejecting ancient heresies (Gnosticism, Hellenism, and Pharisaic legalism) in understanding resurrection.

Quotes:
*"He, the heavenly being and the earthly being, has combined into a new mode of being." – Jayce (08:05)
"Gnosticism...that's the falsehood. So when you really think about it...the Hellenists...think you're going to be a gaseous mist floating on clouds for eternity. That is just crazy to me." – Jayce (09:59–10:04)

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4. Scripture Deep Dive: Jesus as the Resurrection and the Life

Timestamp: 12:24–20:11

• Jayce reads and unpacks John 11, focusing on Jesus’ statement to Martha: "I am the resurrection and the life." The group discusses the present reality of eternal life for believers—not just a future event.
• Reflection on the pattern of death and resurrection in our daily lives and the analogy of sleep as "mini-deaths."

Memorable Moment:
"He who believes in me will live, even though he dies. And whoever lives and believes in me will never die." – Jesus (read by Jayce, 15:15)
"All of a sudden you wake up and you're like Lazarus. You bumble out, you know, and you're like, where's my keys?" – Jayce (18:05)

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5. Resurrection, Time, and the Dimensions of Reality

Timestamp: 20:16–22:45

• Discussing biblical "soul sleep" and how death and sleep parallel; the timelessness between death and resurrection.
• Touch on biblical instances of "the veil" being pulled back (Stephen’s martyrdom, Elijah’s whirlwind, the Transfiguration), emphasizing our nearness to the spiritual dimension.

Quote:
"There's just a curtain...There's a dimension that we can't see." – Jayce (21:46)

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6. Moses, Elijah, and the Battle Over Bodies

Timestamp: 24:42–26:05

• Why does Satan care about Moses’ body? Jason and Jayce connect this to the recurring theme of death and resurrection, seeing it as the enemy’s last card to play.

Quote:
"He [Satan] reigns in death and Jesus reigns in life. So there's a big dispute. He wants to know where that body is." – Jayce (25:16)

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7. Redefining Miracles & The Danger of Dilution

Timestamp: 27:17–30:48

• Jase distinguishes true miracles (e.g., dead people returning to life) from ordinary blessings or happy coincidences (like sports victories or hunting luck).
• Expresses concern that calling every positive event a miracle cheapens the biblical meaning.

Quotes:
*"People are calling miracles things that are just God working... Miracles were something even an atheist would say, okay–that’s not possible based on our laws of nature." – Jayce (27:27)
"If my dad walked in right now, I'd say, no, THAT's a miracle." – Jayce (27:53)

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8. Sports, Faith, and Misapplied Language

Timestamp: 28:28–30:48

• Jase recounts LSU baseball players attributing a comeback to "miracles," noting gratitude for their public faith, but a need for theological maturity.
• Discusses how public expressions of faith, even if imperfect, are better than silence, but urges growth in word choice and behavior.

Quote:
"I love that they're giving glory to Jesus...but you need some maturity in how to use proper words." – Jayce (29:27)

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9. The Reality of Love in Christian Life (1 John 4 Deep Dive)

Timestamp: 32:50–40:36

• Reading and discussing 1 John 4: God’s love, living in love as evidence of God’s presence, and the inseparable relationship between loving God and loving others.
• The difference between "complete" and "perfect" in biblical translations, with Jayce challenging translation choices for obscuring depth.

Quotes:
*"God is love. And we could probably do several podcasts on that one statement." – Jason (35:12)
"Love is the way to perfection." – Jayce (38:41)

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10. Practically Loving Others—Even the “Nemesis”

Timestamp: 39:28–43:59

• Zach shares a house church story where praying for someone who hurt the group brought transformation; emphasizes loving enemies is a sign of the Holy Spirit’s work.
• Sacrificial, Spirit-enabled love is not conjured; it’s a fruit of abiding in Christ.

Quote:
"The more that you submit to [the Spirit], then the more that you actually get to experience the love of God...One of the main fruits that the Spirit produces is love." – Zach (41:45)

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11. Perfection, Growth, and Love (1 Corinthians 13)

Timestamp: 44:14–47:03

• Exploration of Paul’s argument about spiritual maturity, the temporary nature of gifts, and the permanence of love.
• Love as "perfection"—not moral flawlessness, but growing maturity in Christ-like love.

Quotes:
"When perfection comes, the imperfect disappears...Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." – Jason, quoting 1 Corinthians 13:10,13 (45:14)
"You can be perfect because perfection is housed in love. That's how he makes people perfect. Because he is perfect." – Jayce (46:29)

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12. The Garden, Family, and the Practical Outworking of Love

Timestamp: 48:46–50:29

• Warning against a legalistic or rules-based faith divorced from relational "garden" context.
• In families, sacrificial love is necessary and must be intentionally practiced, not assumed.

Quote:
"When you have kids, that's it. You have to be a lover and it's going to be sacrifice involved, right?" – Jayce (49:04)

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13. Discipline, Parenting, and the Challenge of Love

Timestamp: 50:29–57:38

• Candid story from Jase’s years as a church volunteer about parents unwilling to discipline children, leading him to use $100 as a behavior experiment.
• Rollicking discussion about motivation, responsibility, and tough love. The point: love’s sacrificial edge and the need for parents to own their role.

Quote:
"You're the parent, you're the love giver. And so it's a misdefinition of love." – Jayce (51:53)
"Forget Ritalin. Jason, a Hondo will take care of that problem." – Jason (56:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• "We're not thin skinned...The rest of the world seems to be." — Jayce (03:54)
• "He, the heavenly being and the earthly being, has combined into a new mode of being." — Jayce (08:05)
• "I am the resurrection and the life...I am heaven." — Jayce (13:58–14:13)
• "There's a dimension that we can't see." — Jayce (21:46)
• "Miracles were something even an atheist would say, okay." — Jayce (27:27)
• "He is love. I mean, the representation of it, the beginning of it, the end of it, all of it." — Jason (35:12)
• "Love is the way to perfection." — Jayce (38:41)
• "You can be perfect because perfection is housed in love." — Jayce (46:29)
• "Love is tough." — Jayce (57:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Re-imagining Jesus and resurrection theology: 01:06–10:54
• Gnosticism, New Age, and the error of "floating spirits": 09:10–10:54
• John 11 deep dive ("I am the resurrection and the life"): 12:24–20:11
• On death, sleep, and the eternal perspective: 18:19–22:45
• Discussion on Moses' body, spiritual warfare: 24:42–26:05
• Miracles vs. God’s ordinary work: 27:17–30:48
• Faith in sports: blessings vs. "miracles": 28:28–30:48
• Loving others as the test of God’s indwelling: 32:50–40:36
• Spiritual maturity: 1 Corinthians 13 and love: 44:14–47:03
• Family, discipline, and sacrificial love: 48:46–57:38

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Takeaways

• Miracles in Scripture are rare, world-breaking events, not simply "good things" happening.
• Resurrection redefines the believer’s current reality—not just a future hope but an invitation to participate in eternal life now.
• Love is the ultimate measure of Christian maturity; perfection is found not in moral flawlessness, but in sacrificial, Spirit-empowered love for others.
• Parenthood and leadership are tests of practical love, requiring intentionality and unselfishness.
• Language matters: Christians should grow in theological precision without shaming youthful faith expression.
• Community and church struggles are often spiritual opportunities to grow in loving forgiveness and Christlikeness.

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For listeners and non-listeners alike, this episode delivers scriptural depth, robust challenge, and candid, relatable stories tying eternal truths to everyday struggles—offering wise, warm, and sometimes hilariously unfiltered Robertson family guidance.

Transcript

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[Jayce]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jason]

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're still recording from the last podcast the same day we do two. As we've told you before, so we still got our guest here, Jonathan and Gloria. And I was mentioning to Jase during the break that Jonathan.

[Jayce]

Oh, and your name is Jonathan.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jayce]

Well, that, that is eerie.

[Jason]

It is eerie. Spelled the same way. So I looked at Jonathan because yesterday we was in class, he had his hair kind of pulled up kind of like you do Jace when you put it under your hat. And I didn't notice he had long hair. I didn't notice you had it yesterday. You must have had it in some. Yeah, yeah. Pull back. So today he walks in looking like he did today. He's got the beard, he's got the kind of longish hair and the narrow face with the long nose and he looks like our imagination of Jesus. Kind of like your, your guy on the Chosen.

[Jayce]

Yeah. Jonathan. Rumi.

[Jason]

Rumi. And so I was like, man, he's got a. Now he's in Christ so he's really got a Christ look about him.

[Jayce]

So yeah. And you got married and you got married. Well, it's not. I was going to say it's different

[Jason]

from Jesus and his kids are here today. So if you hear any kid noise in the background, I was going to

[Jayce]

say Jesus didn't get married, but he actually did. He just married a large group of people called the kingdom the bride of Christ. So yeah, you do have that look, which led me to think about an interesting conversation. Because when we were, I think I was actually on the golf course, we had a week off. So I actually had a fun week. We did a Missy.

[Jason]

I just saw J. Stone, before you tell your story in the. In the break room, because I was trying to get me some decent coffee and to work the machine and he mentioned about golf because Alex brought it up and he said, oh, I quit golf. Golf is for rich people and retired people. That was J. Stone's comment. So I just wanted you to know that just happened. So any comment to that?

[Jayce]

I'm not retired, but I guess I am rich. So maybe he's got a point. It's such a frivolous endeavor, but I do it for the conversation now. The camaraderie and look, sometimes you have Jesus conversations and sometimes you realize that because we did the last podcast, I ended it with some of these news organizations are listening to our podcast and they took something out of context and said, jay says rednecks are the only unoffendable people on the planet. Which I'm proud of because we realized a long time ago we're not sensitive. We're not thin skinned because the rest of the world seems to be. Everybody's offended. But being offended is. Why would you be offended by words? Yeah, you call me anything, I don't care. So I did have the caveat, you're

[Jason]

secure in who you know you are.

[Jayce]

That's why I did have the caveat, though, because some of the guys I was playing golf with, they were kind of pushing back, like, well, you know, we're just not gonna put up with anything. I was like, well, there's a difference in being offended. And I went, you know, Phil's old standard line of thinking, you know, you can say anything, but you start talking about our wife or kids or our dogs, and we may give you the

[Jason]

right handed fellowship, a little butt whooping

[Jayce]

out of love, just to teach you some manners. Discipline is a part of life. So I gave that caveat. It's not that we're offended. We just don't like rudeness in a person. So anyway, there was that, but this conversation came up on, when Jesus comes back, we'll see him as he is. Because when he was raised, we just had Eager Sunday. I keep stressing that because I'm really proud of that. And you're going to preach on that because at the time of us recording this, we hadn't had Eager Sunday. By the time you listen to it, it will have already happened. And I got that from Romans 8. And that was.

[Jason]

I even mentioned it in my community talk yesterday. I was like, we're going to talk about the eager expectation of the resurrection.

[Jayce]

You know, what's fascinating is because then I panicked and thought, oh, let me make sure. What are the different translations of that word? Because it's Romans 8:19, Romans 8, 23, and 25 says that we eagerly await, and it's all in the context of the sons of God to be revealed. So it also says the creation eagerly awaits. I mean, we're talking about the earth for this to happen. There's an eagerness. So I looked up the Greek word for that. I was going to practice to say it, but it literally is like 17 syllables. I'm embellishing. It's at least seven, so I'm not going to try to say it, but that word is used only eight times, and three of them is in Romans 8. But the other ones are really good. Philippians 3, 20. Look, we eagerly await. Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a savior from there. Oh, yeah. Off the top of my head, Hebrews 9 was one. Let me look that one up. Hebrews 9 now gone down a rabbit hole about happy, eager. But it's just a way.

[Jason]

Better get ready for my sermon.

[Jayce]

We're not worried about some pagan goddess talking about spring and painting some eggs. Romans, Hebrews 9, 27, 28. Just as man is destined to die once and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the S. People. And he will appear a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who. Now, the NIV Here says, waiting for him. That's unfortunate. Eager for him, eagerly, eagerly anticipating him. And so it led to a conversation on the golf course on what he looks like. And I said, there's a lot of people that go into trauma because he doesn't look like Jonathan Ramey. Because, you know, people are going to look. They're going to look at Jonathan, and it's like, sorry, bud, you know, and

[Jason]

our Jonathan looks like him, too. Just.

[Jayce]

Yeah. So we have no idea. I mean, really.

[Jason]

But I know one thing. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that a lot of the depictions that I see of him looking very Scandinavian, with the light hair and the blue eyes that I. We don't see a lot of Israelis that look like that. So I'm just saying I don't think it's going to be like that. So, you know, there are depictions that we see, you know, and he did

[Jayce]

enter a new mode of being. I'm going to keep saying that phrase because he, the heavenly being and the earthly being has combined into a.

[Jason]

And that's what I hope to capture in the sermon Sunday, because we talk about a lot on here, but I've never really heard an Easter Sunday sermon about his post resurrected 40 days and what that means for us. I mean, I've never really.

[Jayce]

Now we're talking now. I have been hollering about this.

[Jason]

I mean, I have never heard it. So it's going to happen 30 years.

[Jayce]

And it took an epiphany from the Holy Spirit to say, why are we calling this after some pagan goddess?

[Jason]

What are we doing?

[Jayce]

Oh, so let's talk about the resurrection. Al. It's in our text. We. We read over it. But it just. It lacked. It lacked the power. The first John 3. Yeah, I mean.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's what. That's what first gave me the idea. Jason, we started talking about.

[Jayce]

Listen to this.

[Jason]

Really. First John 3 carefully.

[Jayce]

2, 3, 2. Dear friends, now we are children of God. Look, we're waiting for the children of God. Read Romans 8 again. Read it a hundred times. The sons of God will be revealed when he comes back. There's a revealing. And it coincides with resurrected bodies. Not this mystic. I think the technical term of that belief in the day was the Hellenistic, this Greek. Oh, your soul. There's a spirit that's locked up in a prison called the body, and it will be unleashed and you're going to be a gaseous mist floating on clouds for eternity. That's not Gnosticism.

[Jason]

Yeah, Gnosticism, which is exactly what John has been fighting in this text the entire time.

[Jayce]

Yeah, that's the falsehood. So when you really think about it, of course, then you have the Sadducees, because history matters. We talked about that on the last podcast. Sad Sadducees. They didn't even believe there was a resurrection. These are the three main groups here. You have the Hellenists who are like, oh, it's just all an inner you, light fixture, heat source that will be released and take off and absorbed into energy and whatever. That is just crazy to me.

[Jason]

Which we talked about when Melissa was on the new age stuff. New Thought, I think she called it.

[Jayce]

Then you have the Pharisees who did believe in a resurrection. However, it was all based on your performance. And you have the good and bad situation on how. How did we do?

[Jason]

Yeah, you know, the keeping score.

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[Jayce]

And I think in John 11, when you had this moment which we went through John, but it's hard to capture the power of what he said. I'd like to read that just as. As background for this. Eagerly awaiting because I've done some study on this since we declared that. But when. And you remember it all starts with love because that's where we're at. When he says he loved him. Verse 3:11 3. So the sister sent words, Lord, the one you love is sick. And he's like, well, this sickness will not end in death. No, it is for my God's glory and so that God's son may be glorified through it. So eventually comes Mary and Martha. They're mad because they're like, if you'd have been here, this wouldn't have happened. And in verse 22 says, But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask. Jesus said, your brother will rise again. Well, watch what Martha answered. I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day. The now, my opinion is that that's probably came from the pharisee view. Maybe it's like, oh, yeah, well, I get it. He'll come back and then we'll see where he's at. But Jesus, this is such a profound statement. Jesus said to her, I am. So she went future. He went present.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Jayce]

I am the resurrection and the life. I mean, I. I wouldn't have a problem for insert. Inserting heaven right there. I am heaven. Yeah. I am resurrection. I am life.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jayce]

I think that. I think that's what he's saying.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jayce]

He's not. And I am. Which means now and forever, which means

[Jason]

past, present, future, all in one person.

[Jayce]

Exactly. Which then makes more sense of why he told the thief on the cross, today, you'll be with me in paradise. I am. But we've got this detachment syndrome about souls leaving and going, which is Gnosticism. It's the Hellenistic.

[Jason]

To make your point about the thief. What he's saying is Jesus knew they were both going to die that day, but he said, but you'll be with me.

[Jayce]

Exactly.

[Jason]

And so which is where you want to be when your moment comes. Right?

[Jayce]

Which is where he goes from here. Because then he says, I am the resurrection life. Now watch what he says. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies. And whoever lives and believes in me will never die.

[Jason]

Okay, record scratch.

[Jayce]

Say that again slowly. Okay. He who believes in me will live. Now he already said. I'm not talking about the last day. No, I am. So he who believes in me will live. Will live. Did he mean will in the future, or was he talking about right now?

[Zach]

Yeah, right now.

[Jayce]

Yeah. I think the answer is yes.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jayce]

Even though he dies. So Lazarus is dead. So then he says, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Well, I thought, I'm not going to die, but if you die, I'm going to live.

[Jason]

And he's talking about a man who just died.

[Jayce]

He just died. So what does he do? He then. What does he do? He then goes and says. Which is an odd question because his next statement is, well, where have you laid him? Seems like if he could raise him from the dead, he'd know where he. But I think he wanted to.

[Jason]

It's like asking directions when you already know the way.

[Jayce]

Right? I think he knew the answer, but it's a good question. Jesus, where have you laid him? Take away the stone. I'm just reading the red letters. Verse 40. Did I not tell you that if you believe, you would see the glory of God? Because they said, look, he's been there four days Bad odor.

[Jason]

Yeah. Don't open the door.

[Jayce]

So they took away the stone. Jesus looked up and once again, did they have to take away the stone? No, but it was to let them see he didn't need the stone removed. He could have just come through the stone.

[Jason]

Which, by the way, these are all pictures of what's going to happen with him.

[Jayce]

Exactly. So then they took it away. Then Jesus looked up, said, father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of those people standing here. That's why I knew he's doing this for their benefit, all of it, that they may believe that you sent me. And then he said, lazarus, come out. The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen and a cloth around his feet.

[Jason]

He was a mummy.

[Jayce]

Take off the grave clothes. I mean, for crying out loud, let him go.

[Jason]

He literally came out as the mummy,

[Jayce]

as awesome as that is. And, you know, if you read tradition and biblical accounts, oh, this guy just goes on fire, you know, and is in many threatening situations the rest of his life because he's like, kill me.

[Jason]

I've already been there.

[Jayce]

I've been there. Can you imagine his testimony? Let me tell you what it's like being dead and coming back.

[Jason]

But you're right. Now that we've studied John and into one John, if we could go back and study that chapter again, I would see many more implications of the current life than we did back when we were studying. See what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Jayce]

That's what happened to me. I went back and it's just like, you know what? It made me have more passion for even, like, baptism, because you have an end time, death and resurrection. It made me think about sleep. You know, we just think about human beings. We take this for granted. But a third of your life is spent dying, literally dying. Because what happens when you sleep? You go to sleep, you don't even know where you're at. You don't know who you are. You detach yourself from you, and you're thinking crazy things, you know, crazy dreams. And all of a sudden you wake up and you're like, lazarus. You bumble out, you know, and you're like, where's my keys?

[Jason]

Or if you're like me and you're in a hotel room somewhere, you're like, where am I? What hotel am I?

[Jayce]

Where am I at? I was like, my wife this morning, I was like, where's my belt? She's like, well, you might already put some Pants on. First I was like, yeah. I mean, I'm looking for. I woke up looking for my belt. You're like, what happened? I was dead for seven hours and I come out. But it's just made me realize. I think that's why God designed all this. This way is to help you wrap your head around a life where death is not a problem. This is just a temporary setback. A third of your life is spent pretty much living this out, right? You go in a coffin. We call it a bed. You're dead because there's a. When you look deep into this. What do they call the highest form of sleep, where you're not even dreaming, there's just nothing happening.

[Jason]

I guess REM sleep. Would that be what that is rem.

[Jayce]

And we just take it for granted that you just get up and start walking around.

[Jason]

He believed in what they call soul sleep, which is not a biblical term, but he compared that to the fallen asleep references in the epistles that you would just. When you die, it's just like that kind of sleep until it's time to come back and then you wake up in that new body.

[Jayce]

I do think, as it relates to time, that's accurate.

[Jason]

I think that's what he always used to teach.

[Jayce]

Well, because death and sleep, you don't know what time it is, right?

[Jason]

None.

[Jayce]

What's the first thing you do when you wake up? I go see what time. Oh, no, I'm late. Well, you know, then.

[Jason]

Or, oh, no, it's only been two hours.

[Jayce]

Did you really care? 30 minutes ago, you were not even here. You're just gone. So I don't know. That was not planned. I just went off on that. But it made me realize in 1 John 3, where it says, when he appears. And what's interesting about this is he doesn't use the coming language when he appears. Because I think some cases where it says he comes back, but other cases it says he just appears. You're like, well, which is it? Yes, but I think it says appear because there's too many verses. It says, the Lord is near. Well, people always put that in a time reference, but I don't think that's true. I think it means more

[Jason]

proximity.

[Jayce]

Yeah. There's a dimension that we can't see. Because all over the Bible you have these moments where in moments of stress or high anxiety, people see the other dimension. Think Stephen when he was stoned, he looks up and he sees Jesus at the right hand of God. We're like, what was his vision like? If he was Far away. Well, he wasn't far. There's just a curtain. Well, N.T. wright calls it a curtain, you know, to the dimension. Remember when the guy in Kings, they were surrounded.

[Jason]

Second Kings 6.

[Jayce]

Yeah. And the prophet's like, oh, no. You know, lord, open his eyes.

[Jason]

Show him what's really out there.

[Jayce]

Show it. And all of a sudden, he looks around, he's like, oh, they're outnumbered, these spiritual beings. It happens all over the place. John. Remember when he was asleep and he sees this vision? There's fire. Ezekiel, chapter one. Same thing. All these moments. So you're like.

[Jason]

Even the transfiguration, remember, was a pulling back of the veil. Because then all of a sudden, you see transfiguration.

[Jayce]

And isn't it interesting that the three guys standing in on that mountain all had suspicious deaths?

[Zach]

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[Jason]

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[Jayce]

So you got Jesus Moses. Well, Elijah didn't die. It just says a whirlwind took him up. Moses says God buried him. What does that mean? So then in other passages, there was a dispute between the evil one, Satan, and Michael the architect.

[Jason]

It was Jude.

[Jayce]

Over where the body of Moses was. You're like, why does the devil. Why is he concerned about where that body is? Because that's his mode.

[Jason]

That was his card, his trump.

[Jayce]

Kill you. He's a murderer from the beginning. He reigns in death and Jesus reigns in life. So there's a big dispute. He wants to know where that body is. I need to get my celestial eyes.

[Jason]

But, you know, another little point, a caveat about that, Jase, is the devil. What he was basically saying, and I'm reading between the lines in the Jude passage, is that it's not fair. And who is the author of it's not fair? Because if you think about it, anytime you look at and covet from other people, you're jealous, you're envious. You are playing into the devil's role of it's not fair. And that's what he was doing about the body of Moses. That's not fair. He doesn't get to escape the wrath of death. But, you know, God's like, oh, he gets to do whatever I say he gets to do. Yeah, because that's what happens when you're alone and immortal and Satan, you're not.

[Jayce]

Yeah, exactly. So we said all that to describe the new mode of being. I'm glad you're going to preach on that.

[Jason]

Oh, I am. I'm excited about it because I've never, like I said, I've never really thought about that on Easter because we make such a big deal. And look, it is so important that Jesus walked out of the tomb and it's so great. But what it really means for us in a more practical way, because we do have some little glimpses and we really won't know, according to John here in 1 John 3, exactly what we're going to be like. But we get some glimpses. We get 40 days worth of glimpses.

[Jayce]

I think you should wrap your head around it. Now. Once you surrender to Jesus and you have a. In life, death and resurrection, you receive God's spirit. That. That. That's an experience that you're experiencing now. It's a glimpse, which I'm glad. And all you're waiting on is this renovated body.

[Jason]

But it's such a motivational mind change because you mentioned about Lazarus and what he probably looked like going forward based on traditional stuff. And we don't know all of it. But that's the way I would be. I'd feel like I was invincible because, I mean, I've been there and I've come back so no matter what. And he died again.

[Jayce]

Oh, I think they killed him. I mean, that's what the traditions say. They said, okay, well, let's do this again. But that's where it always goes. People, like, if you're chasing miracles out there, you know, which I think is one of the most misused words on the planet, the word miracle. Because people are calling miracles things that are just God working and God being. You know, miracles were something that even an atheist would say, okay. You know, like something that's not possible based on our laws of nature and

[Jason]

like dead people coming back. You mean like that?

[Jayce]

Yeah, like that. Like my dad walked in right now, I'd say, no, that's a miracle.

[Jason]

That's a miracle.

[Jayce]

That's a miracle. Yeah, but it's like, oh, you know, I was praying for a home home run and the guy hit one. Huh?

[Jason]

You know what I mean?

[Jayce]

It's like, boy, miracles happen.

[Jason]

Well, like we said, we hunted opening day this last year and you shot a banded duck. The first shot. And we all said, oh, man, look at there. This is like we're honoring dad today. We got a band. Well, none of us thought that the band miraculously appeared on the duck because.

[Jayce]

Exactly.

[Jason]

Well, in other words, we were glad we were putting it in the proper perspective.

[Jayce]

Well, I made that point because, look, I'm an LSU baseball fan. We, you know, we've documented that. But I was listening to the post game interview after the game yesterday and they won. I mean, they were down what, 7, 7 to nothing and come back 1, 17, 10. But anyway, they're interviewing the players. Look, they're young bucks. I don't want to throw them under the bus, but Derek.

[Jason]

Somebody say it was a miracle?

[Jayce]

Well, he was like, I was praying at the end because I know he's a believer because his walk up songs a worship song. Yeah. Hey, I noticed stuff like this. And he's like, you know what's funny is when Dardar, there's the second baseman, hit the home run. I was mid prayer. He hits the home run. He's like, miracles happen every day. And I was like, ooh. But I was like, these guys are young. I got it because it's so weird for me, being a follower of Jesus. I love that they're giving glory to Jesus.

[Jason]

We're passing on grace even to bad theology.

[Jayce]

And so I'm Curio under the bus a little bit. I'm glad he believes in Jesus, but I'm like, you need some maturity in how to use proper words, you know, But. And then Dardos, same thing. Because when he did his interview, he's like, I, first of all, I just want to give glory to Jesus. He says it at the end of the interview. I want to give glory to my Lord and savior, Jesus. Well, 30 minutes before he, he got the magic moment, which was because he hit a. He had a three run homer, then had the greatest bat flip ever. He. He flipped that bat 100ft in the air. He got for it, which caused both coaches to use four letter words, not five letter words, toward each other. The pitching coach for Kentucky wanted to whoop our coach. You know, it's, it's all this going on and so. But he gets the magic moment for three run over, of course. And then he drops two F bombs in his acceptance speech. And I thought, okay, I'm loving that you're giving glory to the Lord, but, you know, let's try to steer that. Yeah, yeah, let's try to. So I'm being picky, but I'm just saying, I'm like, since when are these words not deemed wrong? You know, as a follower of Jesus, I'm pretty sure that's. I just wouldn't.

[Jason]

Well, here's what I love about the thing you laid out about. Understand the resurrected life and how it begins. Now. It doesn't really matter about timing. Lazarus had whatever however many years he got after that. Then he was killed, but he was killed feeling invincible. But the thief on the cross, he only had a few more hours to live. I mean, he wasn't getting off that cross alive. And yet think about the peace he must have felt when Jesus looked at him in the eyes and said, oh, don't worry, son, you're with me now. I mean, I mean, he only had a few hours left, but that must have been the most peaceful hours. I mean, at the. The other guy that was demeaning Jesus. That was the most miserable last few days.

[Jayce]

Oh, yeah. And I think there's more to the story there because how did the thief really know? He's like, this guy hadn't done anything wrong.

[Jason]

Yeah. Somehow he. Well, how did he know that? He must have known. He must have been following us around on some crowds. Maybe he got with some of that fish. I don't know.

[Jayce]

Yeah. And so I do think there was more to that story. But still, it's incredible. It just shows you how Outward viewing, Jesus was even in his own pain and what he's going through. He's like, now this guy here, he

[Zach]

watched how he handled himself. I mean, can you imagine, like the way Christ must have handled himself on the cross would have been truly divine. Even the soldier at the end, you know, truly this was the Son of God. So he. He was certainly.

[Jason]

And what would he have had Zach to frame that statement on? Only what he had seen that day.

[Jayce]

Well, it shows you just how important. Even I just read that John 11 on. On your view of Jesus, how that is the central part of what your life can be, good or bad. Because all that thief did was acknowledge. You know what? I think you're it. You're the Son of God. You're the.

[Jason]

And I think that it goes promised

[Jayce]

Messiah for any of us.

[Jason]

Right? Let me read this next few verses back in because that really picks up perfect. Where we left off last time was chapter 4, verse 10 of 1 John. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. We just described that on the cross. Let me read this other section so we can talk about it. The next few podcasts. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. Now, this theme, how many times has he said that? I mean, I didn't count them up, but over and over he keeps going back to, if you love God, then you have to love one another. No one has ever seen God, but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We've talked quite a bit about that phrase because that's talked about love and joy. 13. We know that we live in him and he in us because he has given us of his spirit and we have seen and testify. That's a theme that's going to come up big time in the next chapter. This idea of testimony. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the savior of the world. And that's interesting because that means everybody the opportunities there, right? You would think if anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in them. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. And here's the little money statement right in the middle here. God is love. And we could probably do several podcasts on that one statement. He is love. I mean, the representation of it, the beginning of it, the end of it, all of it. Whoever lives in love lives in God and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we may have Confidence on the day of judgment. Because in this world we are like him. So love should bring us confidence. There is no fear in love. So now we are unafraid. But perfect love drives out fear because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. And I think that's a reference to Christ. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says I love God, yet hates his brother, here you go again. He is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

how many times we hear that from Granny?

[Jayce]

I think she took that out of context because she would only say it

[Jason]

as the physical when we were fighting.

[Zach]

Yeah, my mom. My mom said that to me a million times. So she must have got it from Granny.

[Jason]

She did.

[Zach]

I heard that quite.

[Jason]

It was always when you were fighting with Melissa.

[Zach]

Every single time. How can you love your. How can you love God whom you haven't seen if you can't love your brother whom you have seen?

[Jason]

I got it so many times. And he has given us this command, whoever loves God must also love his brother. And in their defense, that would begin in family. And she was trying to tell us something that we would all agree later in life, now that we're all older, that our love for one another is powerful. Wouldn't you say, Zach, that we got there?

[Jayce]

Well, let's do the technical thing for Al. This is not confusing. The word for complete should be perfect. These translations make this so difficult to follow. What are they doing?

[Jason]

Right? They missed it.

[Jayce]

So look. So verse 12, you have that word complete. All right, well, in verse 17, you have the same word. Oh, it's complete here, too, in this way. But it's the same word for perfect is what I was getting at. Or a version of it. In this way, love is made complete or perfect among us. Then you have verse 18. There's no fear in love. Oh, here's why I said it's confusing, but perfect love. It's the same word, right?

[Jason]

Complete.

[Jayce]

They're like, oh, but it's a different context, really. So same word used. Remember when he told the rich young ruler, he looked at him and it says he loved him? And then he said, if you want to be perfect, perfect, go sell everything you have. Well, now that makes sense, because wherever you see the word perfect or complete, love's right there. Yeah, it's always right there. So love is the way to perfection. Think of the Sermon on the Mount. He gets to the end of it, and he says, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[Zach]

Right.

[Jayce]

When I read that as a new Christian, I thought, well, I'm out.

[Jason]

That's right.

[Jayce]

And no one was there to clarify it because I didn't understand that, oh, he's talking about love. God is love. So, well, can you love people? And then I read First Corinthians 13 and thought, well, I'm not sure. And then I realized, oh, he's given us his spirit, and the fruit of the spirit is love. Oh, he's given me that spirit. And it's a struggle, but I now have a power source where I'm capable of being unselfish and loving another human being. I think that's the structure of what she's discussing.

[Zach]

Well, I guess everybody probably has this in their life. They have those. I call them my nemesis. There's certain people that I've.

[Jayce]

I thought I was your nemesis.

[Zach]

No, not really. You're. You're kind of a nemesis on camera. It's kind of a bit that we do, but, no, in all reality. We're actually very close. And I trust you. But I do have people in my life that I'm like, eh, I don't know. And people.

[Jason]

Jace is like the Philip McMillan on Duck Dynasty. He's a nemesis for camera purposes only because he's actually one of my best friends.

[Jayce]

Well, look, since you rip that band aid off, I'm, I'm so simple minded that sometimes when you talk, I have no idea what you're saying. So I become your nemesis. Because I'm thinking there's probably not 13 people on the planet, but look, maybe they're, they're more.

[Zach]

You'd be surprised.

[Jayce]

Smarter.

[Zach]

I do. I know, I know.

[Jayce]

Well, it's like the last podcast you Talked about for 10 minutes after our little atonement thing. And I thought, is he disagreeing with me or agreeing with me?

[Jason]

I wasn't sure he was agreeing.

[Jayce]

So after it was over, I was like, so did you disagree or agree? And he's like, oh, no, I agreed. I was just adding a caveat or nuance. So then I had to go look up what nuance was.

[Jason]

Well, all right, so make your point. Zach, do you remember your point?

[Zach]

My point was that you, like, okay, if, if you go through an environment where a brother or sister hurts you in a, in a, in a deep way, it. You may read a verse like this and be like, man, yeah, I don't want the best for him. I, in fact, I may even hate them. You know, I mean, like, you may feel that. And I think that that's like a natural part of just being human. Like, we have people that hurt us and we hurt people, and then there's that thing in you that's like, man, I don't love them. And I think what this passage is so convincing on is because it's basically saying, well, you have to love them. And there was an instance in one of our house churches where a lot of people had been hurt by this particular pastor. And my dad was in there and I wasn't there for this evening, but they were just like raking this guy over the coals for how he had hurt the church and all this. I've been really church hurt. And my dad and his wisdom, he has a little bit of wisdom on him and he was like, hey, I'll tell you what we're going to do for a minute here. We're just going to stop and we're going to go around the room and every one of y', all, you're going to pray for him and, and you know that that's that moment where you like the Holy Spirit, if you have the Holy Spirit who said, yep, that's what we're going to do. You're like, but I don't want to, you know, you don't want to do that. But they, they submitted to the Spirit in that moment and they went around, they prayed for this individual in that group and it was like a total change in the atmosphere. And I think it's one of those things like when the Spirit's in you, like, he does enable us to even love our enemies. I mean, he really does. I'm not saying it's like a one time prayer. You pray and you're like, oh, I'm totally good at. No, I mean, I still have the people that I don't trust them, I wouldn't want them in my life and all those things. But I do love them. I do love my enemies. And I think that the Holy Spirit, I know he has, he has been the one that's enabled that in me. And so then the posture of us is we just come in and we submit to the Spirit that's in us. That's the whole thing. We know that he loves us and that if. We know he abides in us, if the Spirit lives in us. So when you hear that whisper from the Holy Spirit who's convicting you to like submit, the more that you submit to him, then the more that you actually get to experience the love of, the love of God. Because, because the Spirit becomes real in your life. And then as a result of that, you get this production of fruit. And one of the, one of the main things, one of the main fruits that the Spirit produces is love. And so that gets produced in you. And so we're not conjuring up these things on our own. These are actually the way we love our brother and our sister is by living in unity with the Spirit that's in us. And that's the whole point of what he's getting to in John first, John five, when he gets talk, when he gets talking about these commandments, I mean, the way he frames it up is he says they're not a burden. They're not a burden. These are pathways into life. These are pathways into the abundant life. These are pathways into the very thing that you want. Not burdensome. So you can kind of see this argument is coming to that crescendo in the very next chapter.

[Jason]

No, that's so good. And it made me think about this, Jason, because I want to get back here Anyway, I want to read the whole thing, but I want to start because you made the point about the translations, about this idea of completion. In 1 Corinthians 13, Paul's going to make a similar point.

[Jayce]

Read the verse where it says the perfect.

[Jason]

Yeah, that's what I was going to do. So I want to start at the end. Then we'll go back and read the early part. Because remember, the context here in 1 Corinthians in the letter is that you got these people who are abusing one another over the gifts that they have in the first century church. I mean, I got this.

[Jayce]

These miraculous gifts. The apostles had laid their hands on them. They were able to do all these gifts and they forgot about three things. Faith, hope, and love.

[Jason]

Yeah, the most important three. So this word comes up here again, I had it. One of my reference points, Jayce. But where there are prophecies, because that's what they're arguing about. Who can prophesy, who can speak in tongues? Who's the smartest? Where there are prophecies, they'll cease. Where there's tongues, they'll be stilled. Where there's knowledge, it will pass away. These are all the things they're fighting about. And they're having these terrible love feasts together. Fighting. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when perfection comes, that's the word again. Completion.

[Jayce]

Same word used in 1 John 4.

[Jason]

The imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. See, this is the growth process. This is what he's trying to say. When you grow to love, you're going to be something. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. So what did he just do? He did a passive aggressive way of saying, you're acting like children. It's time to grow up. And then he says, now we see but a poor reflection, as in a mirror. Then we shall see him face to face. Now I know in part. Then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. What does that mean? You're not seeing what Christ has created in you. Because then he says, and now these three remain, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

[Jayce]

So the next time you get an argument with your wife or, you know, if you're a woman with your husband and they say so you think you're perfect. You're like, well, God does because he loved me and I love you.

[Jason]

So therefore, if I wronged you, I apologize.

[Jayce]

See, now it makes sense. Because I always thought, oh, I gotta, I can't be perfect. I've screwed that up.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jayce]

So I messed up, right? I mean, nobody's perfect.

[Jason]

Really. Yeah.

[Jayce]

Well, God said, oh, you can be perfect because perfection is housed in love. That's how he makes people perfect. Because he is perfect.

[Jason]

And I love that.

[Jayce]

And he gives you that love. That's why he said, love comes from God. So it's a gift.

[Jason]

But you get it, Zach. It's a fruit. And so what does fruit do? It grows. It grows to the point of. Then there's a fragrance associated with it. There's a taste associated with it. It's something that's good, that helps other people, that provides. As you grow in love, those things should be more and more seen.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

Al, you know, you think about gas or grocery or eating out, that's what Lisa and I do. That's our life in terms of being on the road.

[Zach]

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[Jayce]

Rules.

[Zach]

Like rules orientation. But if you can keep the gospel connected to the garden, you cannot let that happen in a family.

[Jayce]

And you mean like with a family? Trust me, you're together, you have a relationship, everything's fine. But when they didn't trust God, what happened?

[Zach]

Right?

[Jayce]

Lies, blame, shame, all these things. So I think you're right. I think that's why it always. The reason he's saying God is love. And love came from God. You've been included in that now and then you should love one another. He's not saying, like, as an idea. I used to read it like that. Oh, well, I guess I should look. No. And we'll just use it. When you have kids, that's it. You have to be a lover and it's going to be sacrifice involved, right? So I taught junior high for 11 years. What I realized is because I had a rule. I had one rule. If you're distracting other kids, then I sent you out. And then, of course, it's not like a school. It's at the church building and people are bringing their kids up there. And I'm like, you have to go get your guardian or one of your parents, and they have to ask me to allow you back in there. Well, the reason I'm doing that is because I'm thinking, well, if I was a parent and a teacher who's not getting paid one dime for doing this, has sent my kid out for being disruptive, they're going to have a conversation. And that's probably not going to go well for the kid because.

[Jason]

And if they don't have that conversation, then we need to have a conversation with the parent about that child.

[Jayce]

Either way, that's where I'm going with this. Then I realized when I had the conversation with the parent what the problem is, because the parents usually were like, ain't nothing I can do about it. What do you want me to do about it? I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Jason]

I think you're the one that has to do something about it.

[Jayce]

And I would. I'm just being honest and transparent. I wound up reading First Corinthians 13. I'm like, look, you don't have a choice when you had this kid. You have to sacrifice and you have to take time out and say, oh, no, we got a problem. Well, that takes love, unselfishness to have a conversation. Because there is a problem. But I wound up here because they're like, what do you mean? I mean, what do you want me to do about it? I'm like, you're the parent, you're the love giver. And so it's a misdefinition of love. Because I would start reading, love does not envy, it does not boast, it's not proud, it is not rude, it is not self seeking. And I would usually stop and say all of these qualities your kid is doing. So we have a love problem somewhere. I don't know if that's going from God to you to them, somewhere. The cycle.

[Jason]

Yeah, we're not seeing exactly what this

[Jayce]

is showing because we should love God and love one another. This person is not loving anybody.

[Jason]

They're selfish.

[Jayce]

They're like, well, not my problem. Fix it. I'm like, no, that's not going to work. But when I get down to this, where it says not easily angered, keeps no record of wrongs, it does not delight in evil. Because usually the more you got into these situations, there was some evil going on in the kid's life. Because you could just tell this person is not conforming to social gatherings, especially in the name of Christ. They're being disruptive, mad, angry, whatever. It always protects, always trust, always hopes, always perseveres. But what I found so disheartening is a lot of these parents would just talk about themselves the whole time. Like, this is not about, you brought another human onto this planet. And we're trying to figure out what's wrong with them because they're being disrupted. What do I got to do to get you to see we have a problem here that needs to be addressed. How can I help you? And then they start talking about their life, where it all went wrong or whatever. It's like, that's irrelevant right now. You know what I mean?

[Jason]

And part of the new birth has to be a new pathway. Imagine how when Paul's laying this out to this church, these are believers. These are people who have obeyed Christ, who are now new in Christ and they're having these petty arguments and fights and treating one another terribly. They're getting drunk when they get together. Remember, they're just when he mentions how when they got together for communion and they're not waiting on each other and they're just exhibiting terrible behavior. And he's like, what is wrong with you guys? I mean, he's like a parent here. He's like. And then he lays out this passage. He said, look what God has done for you look at what he's given you. And it's a chastisement, but it's the same one you were talking about that we would do in a 21st century setting with people's kids out of control.

[Jayce]

Well, you read this and you're like, you need to get these qualities. You need to give these qualities to your kid and expect them to do the same. They're just looking like, well, I can't do that. I'm busy, or whatever. And then you get into the real problems or it's abuse or whatever, but it's like, I'm just so shocked at how when you challenge parents in that setting, they're just like, well, it's not my responsibility. I'm like, well, whose is it?

[Jason]

Well, you're the Bible teacher.

[Jayce]

I mean, I did this for 11 years, and there was always a kid or two where this happened, so. And, you know, it caused a lot of controversy and edgy behavior. And I've shared this story before, but I had two boys that just would not pay attention.

[Jason]

Just.

[Jayce]

I mean, they come in there, disrupted the whole thing and so sent them out. Parent came, said this kind of logic, and she basically said, I got nothing. That's why I'm bringing them to you. Fix them, you know. So I thought, okay, because she just was not open to doing the necessary things that I, you know, First Corinthians 13 says. So I was like, well, if they're going to be here. So I told them, I said, look, here's what I'll do. I pulled a hundred dollar bill back then. I didn't have a lot of money.

[Jason]

I'm surprised you even had $100.

[Jayce]

I got one and I said, if y' all will sit there and not be disruptive and pay attention, I'm going to give you this hundred dollars. Guess what? 45 minutes, they did not make a peep. Not a peep. Attentive, listened. So after it was over, they said, where's a hundred? I said, I'm not giving you a hundred. Now, look, you say why? I said, because you told me a lie. You said that you were incapable of doing it. So then when I see the mom, I thought, she's going to thank me. She's like, I wanted $100. My kids tell me what happened. I was like, you don't understand. They said that they couldn't pay attention because they had aids, adhd. I proved all that wrong in one setting. I was like, their problem with the motivation.

[Jason]

Forget riddling Jason, a Hondo will take care of that problem.

[Jayce]

$100 to give him the Honda. No, I said, I'm not giving you. Because they're like, well, you aren't being honest. I said, well, neither were you. All I did.

[Jason]

True. I cannot wait. Zach, you got to read the comments on this story, because they're going to be all over the map.

[Jayce]

I was trying to get the mom to see that you. You're in a delusion that you're like, well, there's nothing I can do about it. Sure there is. Yeah, but it's their motivation. No, it's a lie.

[Jason]

I got you. I got what you said.

[Jayce]

This is all a lie. You are capable of doing it. You just need to have the right motivation. That's on you. That's right.

[Jason]

So it's called discipline.

[Jayce]

Yeah. And so anyway, that went, you know. Next thing I know, the elders are

[Jason]

saying, I know this is going to

[Jayce]

turn into a basher story.

[Jason]

All right, we're gonna. We're gonna end it on that and pick it up next time. I'm not ashamed.

[Jayce]

Well, love is tough.

[Jason]

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