Ep 1308 | Jase & Missy Celebrate a New Grandson & His Name Sparks a Family Debate

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Episode 1308 | Jase & Missy Celebrate a New Grandson & His Name Sparks a Family Debate
Date: April 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and humorous episode, the Robertson family celebrates a new addition—Jase and Missy’s newborn grandson—and dive into a family debate around his name, George. The conversation flows from nostalgic reflections on “old names” and cultural trends to deeper theological discussions about resurrection, the meaning of Easter, and how God’s love is lived out through community. They share inspiring real-life stories of faith, moments of laughter, and lessons from a transformative Good Friday concert. Throughout, the Robertsons remain rooted in their unashamed Christian faith, offering warmth, wisdom, and the joys and challenges of family life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Welcoming Grandson “George” – The Name Game

[01:09 – 04:00]

• Jase announces the birth of his new grandson, George, prompting laughter and a playful debate about the return of “old” names.
  • “They named him George. And I thought, interesting, because my favorite lure as a kid was a bait called A little George for you bass fishermen.” – Jase [01:37]
• The family reminisces on classic names like Fred, George, Pearl, and reflects on how naming trends cycle back.
  • "Well, it's one of those names...nobody names their kid that anymore. When's the last time you met somebody named George?" – Zach [02:43]
• Discussion of current youth trends (Polaroid cameras, vintage camcorders) highlights the cyclical nature of culture.
  • “The more things change, the more they stay the same.” – Jase [03:03]

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2. Deeper Themes: Technology Anxiety & God’s Sovereignty

[04:00 – 05:43]

• Zach expresses anxiety about AI and modern technology, but Jase reassures him, noting comfort in God’s timeless authority.
  • “I feel better. I feel like there’s hope, that it’s not…There are limitations.” – Zach [04:49]
  • “For the Lord has set a day…He’s in full control.” – Jase [05:06]

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3. Family Challenges: Tornado Recovery and Chaotic Blessings

[05:43 – 09:03]

• Jase shares the hardships of rebuilding his house after a tornado and the chaos of merging households with four grandchildren under four.
• Offers humorous yet poignant commentary on hardship and God’s timing.
  • "You don't realize when you get that many little humans in a place…It's miraculous to me." – Jase [06:31]

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4. Good Friday in Nashville – Transformative Worship

[09:03 – 12:09]

• The family recounts their experience attending Chris Tomlin’s Good Friday concert, describing it as a “10 out of 10” spiritual highlight.
• Missy’s heartfelt reaction:
  • “Missy walked out and she's like, I really needed that in my life." – Jase [09:33]
• The event leads Jase to reflect on Resurrection Day and the power of worship in community.

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5. Easter, “Eager”, and Biblical Language

[12:09 – 21:00]

• The family discusses Al’s sermon introducing “Eager Sunday,” exploring biblical translations and the meaning of anticipation in Christian faith.
• Deep dive into the translation of “Easter” in Acts 12:4 (King James Version) versus “Passover” in most versions:
  • “Whoever that was who cornered me, you were right. It is in the King James version…” – Jase [16:01]
  • "That word Paschal is used 28 other times and...it's translated Passover." – Jase [18:05]
• Discussion emphasizes that “eager” anticipation in Romans 8 reflects intense, active faith.

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6. Resurrection, New Creation, and Heaven

[21:00 – 34:22]

• Zach and Al offer a theological exploration of Jesus’ resurrection, referencing Mark 13, Daniel 7, and Revelation 21 to discuss how “heaven comes to us.”
  • “We're not going to heaven. Heaven's coming to us. That's the text.” – Zach [32:23]
• Key insights:
  • Jesus’ glorified body retains earthly scars—suggesting continuity between this life and resurrected life.
  • The resurrection is not escape but restoration—a renewal of earth, not its abandonment.
  • NT Wright’s scholarship provides context for the “not yet” and “already” aspects of Christian hope.

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7. Living God’s Love—Stories of Impact

[37:37 – 56:06]

• Jase circles back to 1 John 4:17 (“In this world, we are like him”), grounding the conversation in practical living.
  • "Because in this world, we are like him. Well, when is that happening? Right now." – Jase [38:37]
• Shares multiple stories:
  1. Concert Encounter: Jase unknowingly meets country singer Jordan Davis backstage, forming an instant connection over shared faith and a past encounter with Phil Robertson.
  2. Iranian Preacher’s Testimony: Powerful account of a Muslim family’s conversion to Christianity in the US—sparked by a church’s selfless love and kindness.
     • “I'm just thankful that we ran across people or God put in our path who showed us the love of Jesus in the way they live their life.” – Iranian Preacher (as paraphrased by Jase) [52:05]
  3. Miraculous Healing: 18-year-old Farsi singer’s testimony—family’s conversion after prayers led to her miraculous healing as a baby.
• Both testimonies culminate at Chris Tomlin’s concert, highlighting how acts of love—rather than mere words—draw people to faith.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Family Names:

  • “We always bring it back. Humans always bring it back.” – Jase [03:27]

• On Christian Hope:

  • “For the Lord has set a day. I think he’s in full control of that.” – Jase [05:06]

• On Faith in Action:

  • “They saw God’s new heaven and new earth...a glimpse of it in the lives of people and it led them to the source, which was the love of God.” – Jase [55:17]

• On Resurrection:

  • “He didn’t get a different body… His body was resurrected and it was glorified. So obviously, whatever body Jesus had, it wasn’t a different body. It was just glorified.” – Zach [32:23]

• On Anticipation:

  • “It’s not just eager. Oh, I’m waiting. Because the NIV…says patiently. But it changed the word that was translated eager…It’s the intensity that’s the key.” – Al [20:45]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |-------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Welcoming Grandson George, Names Cycle | 01:09–04:00 | | Tech Anxiety and God’s Control | 04:00–05:43 | | Tornado Recovery & Family Chaos | 05:43–09:03 | | Chris Tomlin’s Good Friday Concert | 09:03–12:09 | | “Eager” Sunday, King James & Bible Translations | 12:09–21:00 | | Resurrection, Heaven, New Creation | 21:00–34:22 | | Living God’s Love: Impact Stories | 37:37–56:06 |

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Episode Takeaways

• The return of “old names” and traditions reflects deeper cultural truth: despite advances and anxieties, human nature and God’s faithfulness remain steady.
• True anticipation of resurrection is not passive but “eager”—living with the intense expectation of God’s renewal.
• Transformative love is best communicated through action; small, selfless acts of service can have eternal consequences.
• Resurrection is about restoration—of people, creation, and community—with Jesus as the firstfruit and model.
• In suffering and chaos (tornado, house rebuild, cultural conflict), the hope of Christ, lived out in love, makes all the difference.

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Final Note:
The stories, laughter, and insights in this episode blend the everyday joys and struggles of family life with deep, sincere faith—making it a rich reflection for listeners seeking hope and purpose in the here and now.

Transcript

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[Al]

So welcome back to Unashamed. We got some guests in studio today, Jason. Martha from New Mexico and her crew are. Are with us. I met him on Sunday and. But I'm not there because I had to come down here to Gulf Shores to do a wedding. One of the sitters that sits with mom is. Asked me to do her wedding on the beach today, so.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah, I know exactly who that is.

[Al]

Oh, yeah, she's great. I mean, mom has been blessed for sure. The folks that are with her are more. I mean, they're friends, you know, which is a blessing.

[Jason]

So. Yeah. That's amazing. All right, well, where.

[Al]

You bet. Jason, can you tell us your. Where you been is the talk about it.

[Zach]

He'd been everywhere.

[Al]

He's been everywhere.

[Jason]

No. Pretty much went to Nashville and hung out for days. It was spectacular. I don't even know where to begin. I have breaking news. Let's not break news. Barry the lead, old J Rock and Lulu are grandparents again. Hey. Yup.

[Al]

Big.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Zach]

They're looking them up, man.

[Jason]

You ready for the name?

[Zach]

What's the name?

[Jason]

It's actually, I did not tell them this out of, you know, because that's weird. They probably spent a lot of time naming this kid. But my first thought was, I'll tell you the name. Then I'll tell you my first thought. They named him George. And I thought, interesting, because my favorite lure as a kid was a bait called A little George for you bass fishermen. You'll know what that is.

[Zach]

I like it. I like the name.

[Jason]

I knew you would. You know why? Because I thought of you at some point in this because I thought, well, this is our family's Fred.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Because when you told me that you name your son Fred, I went Fred as in the Flintstones. So I thought that when they said George, but it's grown on me. I mean, George is a pretty famous name. So. Yeah, let's make it. Make it famous.

[Al]

There's King George. There's George Cassanza. There's, you know, there's a lot of famous George.

[Zach]

Well, it's one of those names you. That we. That nobody names their kid that anymore. When's the last time you met somebody who was named George?

[Al]

It's been a minute.

[Jason]

Everything y' all just said, I said in the last 24 hours. King George George Costanza. When's the last time you heard somebody named George? Yeah, so.

[Al]

But that's what happens. That's what happens with names, right? Because they come back around, and then, like, now we're in the era of old names. Like my granddaughter, my most recent one for me, Jazz, is eight years old, was named Pearl. Well, when's the last time you heard her? Somebody named a kid Pearl? I mean, that's. That's like an old name, but it's like, it fits her so well now.

[Jason]

We always bring it back. Humans always bring it back. That's why all this. Zach's panicking about AI and robots taking over the world, and I'm like, it's all making a comeback. I've noticed these kids now, you know, their favorite things to do is they're selling, like, Polaroid cameras again, where you push the button. You know, you start. You gotta. I'm doing my hand up in there. You're blowing on it. And they're actually pretty good. The more things change, the more they stay the same, so.

[Zach]

Well, they got the. So my. My kids are bigger on Instagram than I am, and they were telling me that now what? The algorithm. If you want something to go viral, you get you an old. Like, I'm talking about from the 90s. Like, the camcorders. Like, from the 90s. I'm talking about like, how, like, little tape in it, or I guess digital. They're still digital, but they look kind of grainy.

[Al]

They look.

[Zach]

You can tell they're from the old days. So they're. That's what they're doing their Instagram stuff with now. And those are the ones that everybody wants to look at. They want to go back to the old, because the new, it's a little too perfect.

[Al]

They don't like it.

[Jason]

Yeah, a little too.

[Zach]

It's a little too creepy, a little too perfect.

[Jason]

So you off at the high cliff now that we help you. Then we walk you off that ledge and say, come on.

[Zach]

I wouldn't say you walk me off of it, but I will say that the more I've got into it, I'm like, yeah, I feel better. I feel like. I feel like there's hope, that it's not. There are limitations. Right? And, yeah, I'm feeling.

[Jason]

I'm feeling kind of forgetting the specifics of that. That verse that says, for the Lord has set a day. So when everybody's panicking or the stock market, oh, no, the world's coming to an end. I'm like, the Lord has set A day.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I think he's in full control of that.

[Zach]

And there's the day that nobody knows except for the father. Matthew chapter.

[Jason]

That's the same day.

[Zach]

I'm talking about.

[Jason]

We're talking about the same day. The day. Oh, you're just.

[Al]

That's what I preached on this Sunday, Jason.

[Jason]

Oh, I listened because during your sermon. This was embarrassing because look, where I've been has been mass chaos. When you have four kids under four, and we. We cohabitated with these people because our house got hit by a tornado two years ago. Now it's. We're. I can see like Reed took us up there because my son also develops houses, and he's like, dad got hit by a tornado because it was two years. And I'm like, rita, we gonna. You know, if you don't hurry up, the Lord may come back and this may not be finished. But anyway, he's like, we. We've. You know, we've run into some problems here and there, but. So we had to live with them because our. Our house is not. There's no running water. I mean, it was a redo because whatever wasn't wrong with the house from the tor. The ice storm finished it all. I don't know if I shared that story. It just. Complete devastation. Start over. So anyway, so four kids under four, and I mean, we got there the day after that. As my dad used to say, this young kid bursts forth from bright. I'll just give the PG version from Brighton, but. And I just. Boy, you don't realize when you get that many little humans in a. In a place. And mom is, like, recovering, which was. Look miraculous to me because I was the idiot said, were you? Because we. We took the little kid, the two of the two oldest kids, which four and three we took them to. There's a Friday night Good Friday concert that they've been doing in Nashville for 10 years. My buddy Chris Tomlin puts it on. I had never been. This was year 10. And so I was kind of embarrassed because Missy's like, I think that would be great to go to. And we could take the. Take the family, you know, Cole and his new wife, Emily and Mia, and we'll take the little kids and give, you know, read and write and chance to catch their breath. And so we've done. I've done a few things with Chris Tomlin, but I've embarrassed myself on multiple occasions because, you know, Chris Tomlin, he has a look that. I don't know how else to say this. It's Kind of forgettable. Like, if you see him in a crowd, you bump into him. Just didn't know it was Chris Tomlin. So two or three times I've introduced myself to him and ask him what he did. Two or three times he's like, chris Thomas. Oh, didn't we do this last year? So Missy said, I'm going to call his people and see if we. Because it was a little late, you know, to get in. They treated us like family. Come in. Oh, full access. Come in. They were fantastic. Because I told Missy, I was like,

[Al]

did you introduce yourself to him again?

[Jason]

No, no. Missy had a talk with me before we walked inside. We made sure that didn't happen. But, Al, the reason I'm bringing this up, that thing was fantastic. I mean, I've done a lot of things in my life, but this was. Missy walked out and she's like, I really needed that in my life. I said, babe, it was absolutely fantastic. 10 out of 10. So I would tell you to buy tickets for next year, because they're doing it again. But they had already halfway sold out by the time this one ended. It's just absolutely fantastic. So at some point, I will share some of the stories that happened during that, just to describe why it was so fantastic. But that was worth the whole trip. I mean, it was. I don't. You know. I know we. We picture. We just had Resurrection Day. We picture what it's like for all of us to be together with new bodies and singing and. But it just had that. It had that feel. It had that feel to me.

[Al]

So, Jase, you still got your little poochies there?

[Jason]

I just got back from out of town for a few days, and they were there to greet me, wagging that tail, and I knew what that meant. Where are the rough greens, everybody?

[Al]

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[Jason]

Of.

[Al]

Of the ministry. So I'm glad that people are doing more and more things to recognize that or just. It's just. To me, it's such a good reflection week.

[Jason]

You know what was crazy about that concert, which I never finished my thought, which was people text me when I was at the resurrection service about your lesson, and I was sitting with my phone on,

[Al]

and it kept digging. The gathering.

[Jason]

Yeah, this is like, who. What idiot has their phone on? I'm like, yeah, that idiot's me. And I can't figure out how to get that on. But they were. They were mentioning the Eager Sunday Al.

[Al]

So I was like, yeah, I unveiled it.

[Jason]

Jason. Al's preaching. So that. That caused me to go look it and watch it. Al. I thought y' all did a fantastic job. And speaking of packs, that place was packed. Y' all had overflow.

[Al]

Overflow. It was so exciting. People are yelling. Yummy. They were totally into it. And so funny because then afterwards, Jay. So we had mom and Aunt M over. We did some. Some tenderloin, and Jay's parents. And then we also had signed Christine. Christine made a rare appearance. She usually didn't come to the family gatherings, but she did. And sigh was so fired up. Like he was re. Preaching the whole lesson. He's yelling and hollering.

[Zach]

Shocking.

[Al]

It was so great.

[Jason]

Yeah, it was. It was fantastic. Just the whole production there. So, yeah, that's what I've been doing. I mean, I have details, but I don't know where you want to go with that, But I just. I liked, you know, how that concept came out. We were kind of kidding around, but not really. But then once you preached it, I thought, this is pretty good. Oh, it's true. The Holy Spirit revealed this because, I mean, really, we're making up an English word which is not unlike what people did with Easter. And so then, you know, we got kind of wasn't a reprimand, but the guy who sent the letter and saying, oh, no, that's. That's not the.

[Al]

Oh, by the way.

[Jason]

From the spring, by the way.

[Al]

It is. It is Tanner. He have emailed Tanner. It's. That's the way it's pronounced.

[Zach]

Verified it.

[Al]

I verified it.

[Jason]

He needs to do something about that. He needs to add an end.

[Al]

So, look, he's a big duck hunter. Jason is interesting because he's friends with our nephew Jacob, Bella's husband.

[Jason]

And.

[Al]

And Jacob goes up to hunt with him every year. And so he said. He said, I've got, I don't know, X amount of acres up here in Arkansas, and we whack them up here until Jay's. He's invited. And I said, well, you might want to listen to that podcast, because he threw you under the bus, just so you know. But. Oh, yeah, you did. I said, but he only. He only throws people under the bus that. That he likes. So I said I would take it as a sign of endearment.

[Jason]

So it's called blunt speech. Yeah, it's just cutting through the, you know, the riff raff. But, well, look, he came up with that theological argument from our buddy Wes Huff. I say, I've never met him, but I'm aware of who he is. And I like that he went on the Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan was like, huh? What? Wow. Yeah, so that was cool. But in the end, they're still trying to come up with something. And so I had another thing that happened about this. So some guy corners me and says, y' all said Easter wasn't in the Bible. It is Acts 12. You know, wherever. I was like, no. So I go back and look it up. Sure enough, in the King James Version, they translated this word Easter. True story. Really? Have y'. All. Zach, you didn't know this?

[Zach]

I didn't know it.

[Jason]

Zach, you need to start studying, reading some books. I'll get on that. I went down a rabbit hole. Because now, whoever that was who cornered me, you were right. It is in the King James version. Bible. Let's look that up. Al, this is. We need to have this conversation. Acts 12. I'm going to first of all say I'm wrong because it was translated. But then I'm going to give you a caveat. I concluded after that rabbit hole that old King James got it wrong. Which is not shocking. You know, it was a tragedy.

[Al]

And it's kind of ironic too, Jase, because where we're going to eventually, eventually get to in First John 5, what verse is it? I think it's 7. King James got it wrong again with the. The water. The water, the blood and the spirit. They translated it the Father, the Son of the Spirit, which is nowhere, nowhere in the original Greek at all. And somebody just came up with that. And the King James is the only one that did that. But the Latin Vulgate did it as well, but it's not in the original text. So I guess we're two for two on King James today.

[Jason]

Where did I say it was? Acts 12.

[Al]

You said Acts 12.

[Jason]

Acts 12. 4. Let's do this little study real quick. And look, you know what's funny is most people that I went, oh, Passover. Listen. Well, that word Paschal, which is the Greek word which we used to play a school in basketball called St. Pascal's now I finally know what that means, the Pascal lamb. So thank you and I apologize for.

[Al]

That's been a. That's been a 50 year mystery. James, what is Saint Pascal?

[Jason]

I was in junior high. It's literally a mile from us right now. It's still there. Saint Pascha. And I had no idea that had the, you know, it was represented.

[Al]

I thought it was some guy. Yeah, I did too.

[Jason]

I thought, well, there's religious groups, you know, I hadn't ever read about Pascal in the bible. Well, it's 20, 28 times and it represents Passover. So what happened was it was kind of trying to understand this verse and Herod's involved and they're like, well, this was after the Passover, so it couldn't be the Passover. So they're trying to. They're saying, from Herod's perspective, he was calling it Easter because Easter is the fulfillment of the Passover for the Christians, which is kind of what the West Huff did with the German view. Look, because it then made me think of that interpretation as like. But I realize most people are for this in the scholarly world, so I'm probably making them mad right now. They probably tune me out. But look, you can't go. I mean, the Bible was written in history. This happened. And these are the words they used. You can't interpret scripture by saying, oh, it was a fulfillment. Now so we're going to change that word because that's what it was eventually going to mean. That's basically what they did here. That word Paschal is used 28 other times. And guess what, it's translated passover because this was a Jewish audience. So there it is. The word is the same word for passover. They just took it upon themselves to say, since Herod was bringing it up, he was probably meant something else because he didn't understand the passover, even though that's what the word is. So I hope that's not too big of a rabbit hole. But I think it's interesting, you know, I still think it gives our idea about if we're going to make up words in our English vocabulary to the Resurrection day. Eager is a better choice because I do have eight instances where that's translated in English, which we're doing the same thing. We're taking a word that's, I don't know, 20 letters long in Greek and it's translated eager. But I thought y' all did a good job in your sermon, you and Mike, of detailing what that means in Greek. It's not just eager. Oh, I'm waiting. Because the NIV. And the third time that it's used in Romans 8, it says patiently. Yeah, it changed the word that was translated eager. On the other two, it's the same word identify.

[Al]

I thought Mike had a really good illustration about that, that the idea of the intensity is the key because the eagerness is. There's an intensity while we're waiting. It's not, it's not passive, it's very active. And Mike had talked about, he said, you know, you go somewhere and you just sit around and wait. It's like exhausting, you know, like if you're just hitting a long way, unless you're eager to anticipate. If you go like you, you guys just went to a birthday. I mean, you were, you didn't get there until the baby was born. But if you had been there that day, that's a different kind of waiting than just sitting in a waiting room at a hospital somewhere with nothing in particular to happen, you know, just somebody's. Somebody's inside. But when you're intensely waiting on something to. New to happen that you're excited about, that's a different kind of waiting. And so I love that idea of the eagerness that, that, that's the not yet now, Zach. That's the idea that we're not just, you know, sitting around here hoping it all works out for heaven. You know, that we're going to, you know, be in an ethereal cloud somewhere. I mean we're already living it, we're already looking forward to. And we hit the idea z new heaven and the new earth which was really fascinating to me because you know, right now we got some astronauts up there and these, you know, you're getting these looks back at the, at the big blue ball and it just really gave me an appreciation why we have a new heaven and a new earth. Because you know NT Wright, he, he put it in his new book It's a homecoming for Jesus. I mean Jesus of Nazareth, this is his home. He, he was born here. He was here for 33 years. And so I mean he, he loves this planet and, and he's going to restore it. And so I mean it really does give you kind of a different angle than we always thought about. You know, mansion over the hilltop.

[Zach]

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[Al]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then resurrects in a physical body and on and speaking of the Not yet now on the Not yet now podcast this past week we went and did Mark 13. We've been to Mark 13, which is, it's such a great text. But there's a, there's a line in Mark 13 that most people, I don't want to say most people, a lot of people in the evangelical world interpret as an end time thing and Mt Wright's one of the people that really helped me understand this. But it goes to your point. This is when he's given like a prophecy of the destruction of the temple that was going to happen at a future date and around AD 70, which it did happen within a generation of when Jesus said this. But then he says this kind of strange things that they'll see this is verse 26. And they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather from the elect the four winds from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. And so you read that, you think man, I think most people read that and think man that's talking about like the end times and that God is going to, we're going to see him coming. We're going to see Christ coming down on a cloud. And NT Wright pointed out like this is a direct reference to Daniel chapter 7. And if you read it in Daniel 7, notice the direction of the Son of Man and where he's going I saw in the night vision and behold with the clouds of heaven. So there's the cloud that we talked about. There came one like a Son of man. So son of man, same thing in Mark 13. So the son of man is on a cloud and he's and he's going somewhere or he's coming somewhere. But let's look at where he's going or what he's coming to. And he came to not the earth, but the ancient of days. And was presented before him, and to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all peoples, nations and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away. And his kingdom is one shall not, which shall not be destroyed. And so I think one of the reasons why we have maybe thought that we're going to somehow get caught up, enraptured, and we're going to go to heaven instead of the other way around, instead of heaven coming to us is because we read a passage like this, we're not reading it in the context of which Jesus is talking about it, which is Daniel 7. And that passage in Daniel 7 is, this isn't about the end times. This passage is about Jesus establishing his kingdom. This is about Jesus being vindicated. This is about Jesus coming before the ancient of days. And that's something that's already happened. And the reason that you know this is because directly after he says this, he says, this generation shall not cease to exist, shall not die, until all of these things come to pass, including this Jesus, this son of man, appearing before the ancient of day days on a cloud. And so to me, that's a key part if we're going to understand the kingdom of heaven. And then when he goes down a little bit further, he does switch it and talks about the end times when he says that heaven and earth will pass away. But my word, he says it will not pass away. That's in Mark 13:31.

[Jason]

Can I interject something?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But in between there, not like this. But it's still the now, not yet. Because watch his illustration. He does do the Daniel 7. I'm going to the right hand of God, King of Kings, taking those who trust in me with me. Which would make sense of why he said in Ephesians 2. 6 that I have seated them with me in the heavenly realms. But then he says, now learn this lesson from the fig tree. Now, why are we bringing up a tree right here? Because that represents spring and life. Watch. And as soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. So every year we get to see spring, which that's when we do. Eager day is in the spring. Why are we doing it in the spring? Because there's all kinds of life bursting forth everywhere you look around, it's showing God's power about resurrection. That's why Paul used all those examples in 1 Corinthians 15. Remember, it's like think of a kernel of wheat. It dies, you put it in the ground, what happens? And nobody go to a botanist and tell him to explain how a flower works. He'll give you some facts. Guess what? He's never going to wrap his head around it without bringing up the Creator God or some giving life giving force. We just take it all for granted. It's all around us. It just Bursts forth. So my point is, after he gives this example, he's like, even so, when you see these things happening, you know that. You know that it is near right at the door. I tell you the truth. Well, watch what he says. This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Well, are we talking about now? That has to be now. Because he's like, all of you are fixed to die. This is going to happen in your lifetime. That gives you credence into. He's talking about going to the right hand of God. Now, what's confusing to a lot of people is then when he says, well, heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. But he's just saying, I'm launching a new heaven and a new earth. It's beginning now. I've dealt with death, I've dealt with sin. I've dealt with the powers I've offered myself. And there's an invitation to come to me. Those who come to me get what? The Spirit of God, because he's at the right hand of God, and he pours it out. It comes down into us, and we represent heaven on earth. It is a new heaven and new earth. Now, it's not completed with the resurrection of our bodies, but the glimpse of it is here. That's why we're here. That's all I wanted to say. So it's when you say, well, he shifted. He didn't shift. He's saying, it's beginning now.

[Zach]

When I say he shifted, what I'm saying is it's the not yet, and it's the now and the not yet. So he starts with the now, which is, hey, this is going to happen in your lifetime. This is. This is, like, imminent. So get ready, be prepared. The temple's coming down. It's all going to be destroyed. You guys, when that happens, y' all need to run to the hills. Like, get out of here. Don't. Don't hide out in the temple, because it's not going to be safe. You think it's going to be safe? It's not going to be safe. Run to the hills. Which, by the way, it's exactly what the Christians did. Get out. And then he's. The switch. Is. Is what I'm saying is when he moves into the new heavens and the new earth, that is a reference to. To Revelation 21. Because when you read Revelation 21, it says almost the exact same language. He says, then I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first Earth had passed away. That's the one that he was talking about in Mark 13. And the sea was no more. And then I saw a holy city, a new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. Again, this is the nature. That's the direction of heaven. We're not going to heaven. Heaven's coming to us. That's. That's the text. Right, right.

[Al]

That.

[Zach]

This is in the text that I saw a new city. Holy Jerusalem. Sorry. Holy city, New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will wipe away every tear from their eye, and death shall be no more. Why? Because of the resurrection. Neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore. For. For the former things have passed away. And he who was seated on the throne, you know what he said? He said, behold, I am making all things new. So that's why when we talk on this podcast all the time about the new heavens and the new earth, that's. That's where we're getting this from in scripture, is that. That God's gonna. He's not gonna burn the earth and then throw it in the garbage. He's going to renew the earth. We're going to get new heaven, new earth. It's going to be renewed just like our bodies. The way Jesus was resurrected, if you think about it, he didn't get a. A different body. It was. His body was resurrected and then it was glorified, but to the point that when Jesus presented himself before the apostles, you remember, how did he prove himself to Thomas, doubting Thomas that he was actually Jesus? Look at the scars. Touch the nail. Scarred. Look at my hands. You see the holes here? So obviously, whatever body Jesus had, it wasn't a different body. It was just glorified. Yes, it could walk through walls. Yes, it could defy some of the laws of physics and things like that. Yes, he could ascend and float on a cloud, but he was also tangible. He also bore the scars of this earth. And I think that's important because that's a precursor, because he's the firstborn of all creation. It's a precursor of what we can think about for all of creation. All of creation will be glorified in the new city, the holy city, the new Jerusalem.

[Al]

So it's springtime, which means we start spending more time outdoors. And when men spend time outdoors, they begin to stink.

[Jason]

Al, it smells like we've been working.

[Zach]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

Oh, I agree. I mean, I could just ingest that all day. The technical side of it, I think y' all did great. On the practical side of it, if you go to first John and say, what does this mean? And I'll give you an illustration. So when we. I think we kind of skipped over this. But in 1 John 4, 17 says, in this world, we're like him. Yeah, that's it. Now, remember we was talking about God is love. He loved us, we love one another. Remember that little golden chain? Yep. So verse 17 is this new creation, practically. Because just think about that verse. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment. Well, when is that happening?

[Al]

Resurrection.

[Jason]

Resurrection day.

[Al]

Yep.

[Jason]

Because in this world, we are like him. Well, when is that happening? Right now.

[Al]

Now.

[Jason]

Thank you. We should have pointed that out earlier. Why did we just skip this verse?

[Al]

We were just waiting to get out.

[Jason]

Now, I want to give you an illustration. So I go to this concert not thinking anything. I'm taking the two kids out there. You know, my family's there. So every year, Chris Tomlin has guest speakers. I learned about how this thing works. And look, the most profound thing, me just sitting there, and I have a really funny story to tell. At some point, maybe I can squeeze it in here. The only person I met backstage because we were late, not late to the concert, but a series of unfortunate events happened in us getting there. Because they didn't start the concert till 7:15, but we. They told us it starts at 7. So we got there at 6:55, which is not late, but that's cutting it a little thin. Right. But they didn't start at 7:15. So it was actually perfect. So I come walking in through the back door because we had all access. And everybody's dispersed because everybody's already sitting down. So we're backstage and we're rummaging through wherever we were supposed to be. And they're handing us these little cool Kris Tomlin team Chris Tomlin jerseys. Because, look, all the money they raised at this thing went to families who are in the foster care.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Jason]

Public crisis that we have. So I thought we're. This whole thing is about winning for the Lord. Every dime is going to this. And I. I'm just leaving a little baby that's born that I'm just staring at, thinking, how do people not believe there is a God? I'm just looking at this little baby. I mean, they're so, so small when they're seven pounds. And Brighton, his mom had him. I noticed his most comfortable place was on top of her tummy. You know why? Because he's been in there for nine months. But just the visual of that, when people say, oh, that's not a baby in there, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's moved 2 inches on the outside. And, boy, he just comfy, you know? But anyway, I'm going down a rabbit hole. I didn't mean to, but so a guy, I turned around one time because Missy's, like, trying to get organized, trying to figure out where the seats are. Well, there's a. There's a nice looking, clean cut guy. He had a beard, but he just. A guy's behind us, and he had a little entourage there. And I turned around, I was like, oh, sorry, we're holding you up. And he's like, I've always wanted to meet you. And I was like, well, I'm Jase, you know. He said, oh, I know who you are. He said, I'm from Shreveport. I was like, are you kidding me? We came all the way to Nashville to Chris Tomlin, but he's coming through the back door. So I figured he must do something in this industry. So, like an idiot, I was like, what do you do? He's like, oh, I sing. I was like. Then I realized, okay, this guy's probably a singer, a Christian singer. And I just, like an idiot, said, I don't know who you are, so it's probably a dumb question. So we get to talking a little bit about Shreveport. And he said, well, in 2008, your dad came to my home church, and he said, it was a life changing moment for me. Well, then I got a little moved because I thought, here's my dad has been dead Almost a year. And here's a guy who is coming in the back door of the Chris Tomlin concert. So I was like, well, that's awesome. So we keep walking. And then he said, look, one other thing, because I said, I brought up him singing again. I was like, well, you're definitely in the right spot. You're in Nashville if you're hanging out with Chris Tomlin. Because I was kind of like, pulling for the guy. Maybe one day you'll make it. I didn't say that, but I said something along those lines, you know? And he said, well, you know what gets me through these road trips and all? And I was like, what's that? He said, I listen to Yalls podcasts. And I was like, well, wow. I mean, I'm thinking, what are the odds? Just the only person I met before the concert, and this guy listened to our podcast. We happened to walk in at the door. We were obviously late, and. But what stopped me is because I said, it was good to meet you. And he kept talking. He said, but I have a dream. And I swore, that man's got a dream. I got to turn around here what it is. He said, I've always had a dream to be on your podcast. And it just stopped me when we just met. I was thinking, what do I say to this? And at that moment, I thought, this must be a God thing. I said, I tell you I'm going to do something I don't ever do. I'm going to give you my number. I said, and I'm gonna. I apologize. I don't know who you are, but I'm gonna go look you up. Because I'm detached from the Internet. And I. I said, and we may work that out. I was kind of given a caveat, like, who are you?

[Al]

You didn't want to fully commit till

[Jason]

you knew I didn't want to fully commit. But I was like, here's my number. I gave him my number, and so he gave me his number. Here's what's funny. Out we walk out there, sit down, Chris Tomlin comes out, does the little welcome. They sing a song. And he's like, I know everybody's excited. You know, nobody knows the guests, so they keep the guests secret. So he starts introducing the guests, and, you know, we're just. Just the. The aura and the surroundings was awesome. He introduced this guest, says the name. I'd never heard of him. And I look up, here comes that guy with a guitar. I'd never heard of him because I forgot. I just met him five minutes ago, same dude. Well, I looked at Missy and she's like, that's the guy you gave your number to. Who is he? The crowd cheers, roars I'm like, well, guess what, he's a country music singer. That's why I hadn't heard of him. Yeah, he's. But now. So he sang this famous song that he has. They're all singing it, but then he's saying one of Chris Tomlinson song with him. I already know he's a believer because he told me about Phil 2008, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now I'm like, baby, you realize I'm going to have to text him, you know, because I. He texted me his name and I looked at it and I was like, I didn't know. But anyway, that part went real good and we'll see about having him.

[Al]

So recently we've been talking a lot on the podcast because of Holy Week at Easter. Just the powerful story of the cross itself and how it impacts our lives. And our good old friend Tim Tebow has a new book. It's called if the Tree Could Speak. Jace, you have a copy of it there. What impacted you, Jace, the most about the book?

[Jason]

Well, I love it because it's a great conversation starter and this definitely came from the spirit of the Lord in Tebow's life to come up with this idea. It's really clever, it's easy to read, it's great for kids to be a part of. And overall, I just think it came from the Lord.

[Al]

So basically it walks through Jesus crucifixion from the perspective of the cross. It's well written, it's beautifully illustrated, it makes you slow down and really feel the weight of what Jesus did for us. And so even if you've heard the story a thousand times, and we've probably told it a thousand times on this podcast, it still has an impact. That's different. And one of the things that I loved about it was that, you know, the cross saw itself as just this tool of an execution, but then once it held up Christ, it saw itself as bringing something to the world. So it's just really good. We want you to check it out, step inside the story, hear the witness, and experience Easter like never before. Check out Tim Tebow's book if the Tree Could Speak on Amazon. That's if the Tree Could Speak by Tim Tebow. Order your copy on Amazon today.

[Zach]

What's. Or what's his name?

[Jason]

Well, I don't know. I've forgotten it.

[Zach]

It'll Be silly. Oh, Garth Brooks. George.

[Jason]

There it is. Jordan Davis.

[Zach]

Jordan Davis.

[Jason]

That's his name.

[Al]

Jordan Davis.

[Jason]

And he. He. His famous song that he sang was. I can't even remember the song. But I know at the end he said, but I can. I can buy some dirt. It was something about buying dirt. Now, since we have crickets, that shows you that us three, we do not. Because there were thousands of people here. They knew the song. We were in Nashville, and it was clever. It was a clever, clever song. But anyway, I say we get him on.

[Al]

I want to hear his story. I especially want to hear the impact that dad had.

[Jason]

Well, that's what I'm trying. Sad. I mean, he came to his.

[Zach]

I found him right here. Yeah. He said, yeah, from Shreveport to Nashville.

[Jason]

So I got sidetracked on my point I was making. So one of the other guests talk. Talking about in this world were like, him was the preacher. They had a preacher at this concert. I mean, say it's a concert. It was a Good Friday celebration. Realize why Jesus died, right? The speaker was from Iran. And with what's going on in our world, this guy gets up and tells his story. He came to this country when he was nine years old. The point I want to make without going in, it was fantastic. The point I want to make is he came over here because they left the country because they were fearing for their life. His dad was, like, on the hit list or whatever for things that were made up or whatever. So they get out of the country and get over here. How he came to the Lord is what I want to zero in on. So they're not believers, they're Islamic. And they find themselves in the city of Fort Hood in Texas, which he's like, I was more terrified there because we're staying in a military town in America at a time where everybody hates Iran. And I don't blame them. And we don't even believe in their God. You know, we're. So he told that story, but his dad was trying to make a living, had a store, but nobody would work for him because he was from Iran. And he talked about it. He was called every name in the book. But there was a church that reached out to him, to his dad, and just said, look, we'll work for free just to help you get started. It was an act of love. It was quite the ministry ambition. And so for his story, he's like, I was mad at God, his God, the Islamic God, or whatever. And he was 18. He's like, I'm smoking weed in A car with a guy who invited me to church. We were both smoking weed. He's like, we were both not with the Lord, but somewhere in that weed smoking. This fella asked him, invited him to church, and he's like, okay. But he went back, asked his dad. Well, long story short, the church group that helped the dad keep his business afloat was the same church that the guy his son is smoking weed with, which is this preacher now. And he said, well, you can go there. So he goes and he said that led to an eight week Bible study every Monday night. And he, he said each Monday night had a verse about Jesus. And he quoted all eight just off the top of his head in record time. And he said, after that, I gave my life to Christ. Now here he is now, preaching Jesus. And so when this Latest thing happened 41 days ago at this time of the recording with Iran, he's like, you know, it upset him so much because he's feeling for all those people. And he talked about, you know, underground churches and all this and that. And so in an effort just to kind of worship God, he was. And he's good friends with Chris Tomlin and has been for 20 something years. He finds this young girl who sang Holy Forever on the Internet in Farsi, which is their language, the Persian language. And he reaches out to her, and her story was quite similar to his in that they were refugees years ago. She's 18 now. But when she was. And they were not believers, when she was born, she had a heart condition and they only gave her three weeks to live. Now she's 18. So something happened. And what happened was a local church, even though this family wasn't believers, they heard about the diagnosis through the medical world or whatever, and they offered to come pray for this baby. And of course, even though they didn't believe in the same God we believe in, when your daughter is only given three weeks to live, you'll pretty much take anybody who has an idea. They said, come on. So they prayed for this girl. The next day they take her to the hospital and for the test and all. And the doctor, who at that time was not a believer, came out and said, I don't know how to tell you this, but we can't find anything wrong with her now. And of course, that led the parents to find the number of the people that came over and prayed. And a week later, they gave their life to Christ. Because they're like, what in the world is happening? So this girl feels like her life. God had a plan for her. Life. So three years before the concert that I was at, I know this is a long story, but it really has a kick at the end. She hears that story when she's old enough to understand the English language. And here she is at a Chris Tomlin concert three years before what I participated in a couple nights ago. And while Chris Tomlin is singing Holy Forever, she does a little social media post that says, one day, I just want y' all to know, after, you know, she's singing along with the song. She said, I'm going to stand on stage with Chris Tomlin and sing this. Well, at that time in the story, guess who they bring out at the concert that I'm at? Here comes this 18 year old girl and she, she sings Holy Forever in Farsi and nobody knows what she's saying and everybody there is crying. I mean, boy, it was powerful. And so my whole point for telling you those stories because that preacher, without knowing this, when he said this line, I thought this is where we're at in first John. He said, I'm just thankful that we ran across people or God put in our path who showed us the love of Jesus in the way they live their life. And that's my whole point. It wasn't some nine track, you know, eight track gospel presentation. What got their attention was God's love in human people. People who had been rescued by the love of God. And they said, we're going to go help this guy get through his so he doesn't go out of business. We're going to pray for this little girl. They saw, they saw God's new heaven and new earth. Now they saw a glimpse of it in the lives of people and it led them to the source, which was the love of God. They heard the story of Jesus, which is ultimately love in human form, dying on a cross and being raised. They gave their lives and here we are, you know, 40 years later having, having this moment. As far as Good Friday, I mean, it was, that's why I said it was spectacular. But that's, that's what we're called to do. Nah.

[Al]

So good. Well, we're out of time. We'll. But we'll definitely pick it up here next time in our text. But that's a, that's a great story to us. I love it. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.