Ep 1318 | A Mass Baptism Gets Shut Down by Police & a Hurricane Survival Story That Defies Logic

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1318 – April 23, 2026
Title: “A Mass Baptism Gets Shut Down by Police & a Hurricane Survival Story That Defies Logic”

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Episode Overview

In this lively and heartfelt episode, the Robertson family gathers to catch up on significant family milestones—multiple graduations, a new grandbaby, and the chaos of balancing adult children, aging parents, and a bustling household. The conversation flows from humorous family stories to powerful testimonies of faith, including a miracle-filled hurricane survival story and the unexpected shut-down of a mass baptism by police. They dive deep into the themes of new birth, both physical and spiritual, and examine the challenges and blessings of living out a multi-generational Christian legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Family Milestones: Graduation Season

00:00–07:26

• Graduation Overload: Multiple family members are graduating at once—Mia, Max, and Layla—prompting big family celebrations and much logistical planning for gatherings.
  • “I was shocked to hear that you had two kids graduating at the same time, which says a lot about Max, because he's graduating a year early from college.” – Missy, [00:42]
  • Jokes about “good genes” and family connections in the Robertsons.
• College Experience: The benefits of close family ties, even down to living in cramped dorm rooms: “Only family could get away with doing this. There is no way.” – Missy, [01:21]
• Career Paths & Passions: Layla’s band’s album is being produced at Lipscomb’s Imagine House—nurtured by connections to Christian music icons.
• Organizational Gifts & Family Dynamics: Stories highlight Layla’s messiness and Mia’s organizational skills, blending humor and affection.

Caring for Family—The Multigenerational Sandwich

07:26–08:47

• From Raising Kids to Raising Parents: Missy shares the abrupt reality of stepping in to help her mother after a hip injury.
  • “What you told me Jeff Foxworthy said was you raise your kids, you have a snack, and then you go and you raise your parents. And I just learned about 10 days ago that my snack is over.” – Missy, [07:26]
• Strength in Middle Age: The panel reflects on the “middle chapter”—caring for parents, empowering children, and the brevity of life.
  • “You realize you just have so many, a certain number of days while you’re on this earth, so you got to make the most of it.” – Al, [08:36]

Bringing New Life: Baby George’s Birth

10:11–14:31

• Birth Story: Missy and Jase recount the birth of their newest grandchild, George.
  • Details include dramatic labor progression, near “drive-by birth,” and comic family reactions.
  • “She’s 3 centimeters dilated, which you’re only going 10... She’s walking around town. She’s driving. She’s got the kids in tow. And I said, Brighton, you’re going to have this baby in the bathtub.” – Missy, [11:49]
  • “When I heard that story from Brighton, I said, Brighton, you are now a professional. You’ve gone pro in the baby birthing business.” – Jase, [13:45]
• Grandparent Reflections: The Roberts consider how feelings change with each new grandchild, from awe with the firstborn to marvel and humor as the family grows.
  • “There’s a wonder about the first time… then as they, as you grow into the family… you’re just kind of building something.” – Al, [16:23]

The Spiritual Significance of Birth & New Beginnings

19:45–22:21

• Mirroring Spiritual Birth: The Robertsons draw connections between physical childbirth and spiritual rebirth, underscoring biblical imagery and God’s design.
  • “The same thing happens when you see someone born again—the same thing happens in your faith. It excites you.” – Jase, [20:19]
• Pro-life Testimony: Jase and Missy reference their advocacy and the joy of welcoming a child whose mother bravely chose life.

Miracle Survival: Hurricane, Mudslide, and Faith

25:21–28:07

• Elderly Sisters’ Testimony: Zach recounts the incredible survival story of two elderly women swept away on a mattress during a mudslide after Hurricane Helene. Trapped for 48 hours, they prayed for deliverance and found faith in the ordeal.
  • “They got swept down the river on a mattress. They’re, like, in their seventies. One of them just got out of hip surgery… They lived out there on that mattress under this rubble for 48 hours.” – Zach, [26:10]
  • Comic relief as sisters jest about “peeing on each other”—“Sweetie, I’ve been peeing on you for 48 hours.” – Zach, [27:34]

Mass Baptism Shut Down by Police

28:07–38:07

• 75+ People Gathered: While performing baptisms at a Christian retreat area, police and retreat center staff intervene due to supposed parking violations—despite the event’s spiritual nature.
  • “So we’re in the process of baptizing all these people, and all of a sudden you hear this, like, speakerphone… It was the cops… They pulled up, ‘Hey, we like the baptisms, but y’all can’t park here, and y’all got to get out of here.’” – Zach, [27:55]
  • Debate ensues about institutional expectations, practicality versus spiritual priorities, and whether churches and Christian spaces are prepared for actual outpourings of faith.
  • “Do I obey God or do I obey men?” – Jase, [37:18]
  • Despite the disruption, the group quickly baptizes the last elderly women, emphasizing the unstoppable nature of faith.

The Power and Process of Baptism—Historical & Personal

29:50–34:33

• The “Big River” Baptism: Jase recounts the story of a man seeking baptism in the powerful, muddy Mississippi River, believing its current could “take my sins all the way to the Gulf.”
  • “He said, ‘I’ve done so many things wrong… but I just think the current needs to take that all the way to the Gulf.’” – Jase, [31:10]
• Irony in Christian Institutions: Al and the others reflect on churches being unprepared for living, active faith, and the need for continual expectation of spiritual transformation.

Personal Ministry: Women’s Mentoring Weekend

43:00–52:16

• Mentoring Young Women: Missy describes leadings a retreat for women, many of whom are raising other people’s children, wrestling with real-life struggles, and hungering for deeper faith.
  • “Five out of these 11 ladies were raising someone else’s children… foster, adoption… These are ladies in their 20s who are doing this.” – Missy, [45:13]
• Salvation & Surrender: Saturday night segues into deep spiritual conversations and spontaneous baptisms, driven by individual conviction rather than celebrity attraction.
  • “By the time we get Saturday night, all that shallow stuff that you think about… it’s not there. It’s gone.” – Missy, [49:39]
• Authenticity in Discipleship: Both Missy and Jase resist turning baptisms into a spectacle, focusing instead on humility and personal transformation.

New Generations of Faith

50:00–52:59

• Legacy Impact: Stories are shared of retreat participants taking steps to bring their faith into everyday life and professions.
  • “She was so moved by the experience that she understood it was more than just a new beginning, but now this is a kingdom lifestyle.” – Al, [51:04]
• Holy Spirit Living: Missy explains to a newly baptized woman: “You are now going to enter your home… God is living inside of you… When you cross that threshold into your home with your family, you have God physically with you.” – Missy, [52:16]

The Sacredness of Every Believer

53:22–54:09

• Challenging Reverence and Identity: Zach closes with an analogy about how we would treat Mary, mother of Jesus, carrying the Savior in her womb, and challenges listeners to view each believer with similar reverence because all carry the Holy Spirit.
  • “We carry the Holy Spirit as believers. What does that say about us?” – Zach, [53:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Generational Faith:
  “You realize you just have so many… days while you’re on this earth, so you got to make the most of it. But it is, it is refreshing when you see your kids do well… what they’re accomplishing for the kingdom.”
  – Al, [08:36]

• On Faith Transformation:
  “By the time we get [to] Saturday night, all that shallow stuff that you think about… it’s not there. It’s gone.”
  – Missy, [49:39]

• On Living Water Baptism:
  “He said, ‘I’ve done so many things wrong… but I just think the current needs to take that all the way to the Gulf.’”
  – Jase, [31:10]

• On Modern Church Expectation:
  “When you have no expectation, and so you got your bone-dry baptistry… or when you’re at a Christian retreat center… and you call the cops on them—I’d say somewhere along the line, somebody’s not really trusting in the plan.”
  – Al, [34:41]

• On Sisterly Love (and Humor!):
  “She’s literally… ‘I hope you don't mind, but I’m gonna have to pee on you because I can’t hold it any longer.’ And her sister said, ‘Sweetie, I’ve been peeing on you for 48 hours.’ They’re absolutely hysterical.”
  – Zach, [27:34]

• On the Sacredness of Every Believer:
  “We carry the Holy Spirit as believers. What does that say about us?”
  – Zach, [53:55]

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Timestamps for Noteworthy Segments

• Family and Graduations: 00:00–07:26
• Grandparenting & New Baby Story: 10:11–14:31
• Faith, Birth, & Pro-Life Reflection: 19:45–22:21
• Hurricane Survival Story & Testimony: 25:21–28:07
• Mass Baptism Shut Down by Police: 28:07–38:07
• “Big River” Baptism Story: 29:50–34:33
• Women’s Mentoring Weekend & Impact: 43:00–52:16
• How Baptism Changes Lives at Home: 52:16–52:59
• Treating Believers with Reverence: 53:22–54:09

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Episode Takeaways

• God works through every stage and generation—birth, chaos, crisis, new beginnings.
• Even in Christian spaces, authentic faith can meet resistance; living “unashamed” often means persistence, humility, and flexibility.
• Moments of new birth—physical or spiritual—are always sacred and transformative, whether in the maternity ward or the muddy waters of a river.
• The legacy of faith is built not by spectacle, but by intimate, real-life discipleship, authentic service, and living for God in ordinary as well as extraordinary circumstances.

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family continues to combine storytelling, humor, and scripture, offering hope, encouragement, and a living testimony of faith for every listener.

Transcript

[A]

I am unashamed.

[B]

What about you?

[C]

So welcome back to Unashamed. We're excited that I see Missy is in my chair, which is always a blessing. Missy, we're glad Jace is not so alone. We've been in our boxes for a few days because I've been in. I'm down here at the Southern Lair, so it's good to have Missy. It's good to have you on the set.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, it's always a blessing.

[D]

Missy gave. Gave us a very generous and kind invite to a crawfish bowl that you turned down. I turned down. It said Nashville. All of our kids. We have three. Mia, Max, and Layla are all graduating the same time.

[B]

I was shocked to hear that you had two kids graduating at the same time, which says a lot about Max, because he is. He's graduating a year early from college.

[D]

Two years early.

[B]

That is amazing.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know where why Zach says that's happening? Why it's in his jeans. He's just smart.

[D]

My grandmother. Yeah, my grandmother said that. That good genes make geniuses. And so that's why my granny. Our granny and Paul were third cousins. And so we're.

[B]

Yes, we know.

[D]

That would make us. What does that tell you about the Robertson family?

[B]

Well, I say, I think Mia. Mia. Mia so enjoyed her years at Lipscomb, and she enjoyed her first semester so much that she talked Layla into transferring to Lipscomb. And they were roommates the second part of their freshman year in a single room. So, you know. Did you see their room at any time? It was tiny. I mean, they were head to head, feet to feet, almost. I mean, take it. Take your pick. But they were in the smallest room I've ever seen. I said, only family could get away with doing this. There is no way.

[D]

And only for so long. I think Mia eventually, like, three months. I love Layla. She's got a lot of giftings. I don't know if being a roommate may not be one of her.

[B]

Well, Mia has giftings, too, and she's really great at organization, and she doesn't mind helping someone else do it. In fact, when I texted Laila yesterday, I told Mia later, because I never got a text back from Layla. And Mia said, oh, that's my fault. I went over there to help her clean her house, and we were scrubbing her bathtub. I said, okay, I'm just gonna leave that there.

[A]

I remember me. I said, how is it living with your cousin? And she said, she's messy.

[B]

For Layla's birthday. For Layla's birthday. That Year, she cleaned out Layla's car as a gift. Like, happy birthday. I'm cleaning.

[D]

That is a gift. Well, I bought Layla's car as a gift, and I saw it six months later when she came back from college. I was like, whoa, this is what we do with the brand new cars.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Well, what's interesting is her. So her going to Lipscomb, then brought Max in. And so the. I didn't realize this. So this is full circle moment, because we have Bart Millard on the podcast from Mercy Me a while back, and if I'd have known this, I'd have brought this up. So Bart and a guy named Brown Banister, who produced a lot of, like, all Amy Grant stuff. He's big producer in Nashville. Kind of a. I'd say kind of like the godfather of kind of Christian music from a production perspective. They started an incubator label at Lipscomb called Imagine House. And. And so that's the group Missy. That's actually. They brought Layla and Max's band in. Dasher the band. And that's who's been. That's who produced this album that they have coming out. So Brown Spit was the producer on that. So it's kind of like fools. I didn't know the whole story behind that till after we had part on the podcast.

[B]

Yeah, no, she's so enjoyed it. And she loves her church family there, too. At Harpeth Hills Church. She worked there, and she just had a really, really great experience and had some. Some really great, deep friendships have been made there.

[C]

And what. What did she grad? What was her degree in?

[B]

She's graduating in a couple of weeks with a degree in psychology, and she wants to go on to higher education in forensic psychology.

[A]

Yeah. Which means that now every time we get together, she will break you down. She's like, okay, guys, I have two questions everyone can go around and answer. And she gives the points of, you know, the plan. She gives you a plan on how to correct whatever it is that's not working for you. It's so spectacular because I'm like, the courage of this girl, but it makes sense. I mean, she's quick on her feet,

[B]

and she's quick to say when we start talking about certain issues with just going on in the family. And she's like, mom, mom, this is my specialty, so this is what needs to happen. I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. Now she's the expert. I'm breaking everybody down and diagnosing them.

[A]

But so far, I will have to say most of the times when she gets finished, I think, well, that makes sense and it's good. What I think we buried the lead here is how we didn't know that they were all graduating.

[B]

I did not. No.

[A]

So we plan. Missy plans a crawfish bowl. And then, you know, we invite Zach and Jill and Layla and Max and

[B]

everybody in your family.

[A]

But they, they already had plans at this fancy restaurant, which I think, well,

[D]

because of you, because you were talking about.

[A]

I did recommend the restaurant, but as it turned out, it's like we're eating crawfish out there in the wilderness. And

[B]

you know, when you give. Our farmhouse, as y' all probably talked about on here, has not been working lately in the past couple of years, hit by a tornado and then hit by an ice storm. And so nothing makes a contractor move faster than a deadline. And so when your son is the contractor and your daughter is graduating from college, I put the deadline on my son that he has to have this farmhouse done by the time Mia graduates from college because all the family's coming in. So right now we're on schedule. Right now we're on schedule. And he is working really hard with a two week old baby at their house. So he's kind of overwhelmed at the moment. But right now we're on target to host kind of an open farmhouse slash crawfish boil the night before Mia graduates. Mia and Layla and Max graduate. So anyway, if y' all don't want to come, it's fine. So. Fine.

[D]

No, I want to come, but I've already paid a down payment on this meal because this place that you guys recommended, I heard Chase talking about it. I was like, okay, we're going to go all out. I'm not going to say the name of the place, but I said, we're going to go all out. And we're going to say, but I called to get the reservation. They're like, you can't. You have to put down money to get the reservation. And if you cancel the reservation, you lose the money.

[A]

I did warn you this place is expensive, but I said it is. It is good.

[D]

Well, we're going to get. We're going to get full fledged into the state. And although we like crawfish too, though,

[A]

but this just goes to prove that it's never over with your kids. And somebody said, you know, you raise your kids, you think you're done, and then you have to raise your parents and then you get old, and then your kids have to raise you. That's kind of the vicious cycle.

[B]

What you Told me Jeff Foxworthy said was you raise your kids, you have a snack, and then you go and you raise your parents. And I just learned about 10 days ago that my snack is over, so. Because my mom fell and broke her hip and she's been in the hospital and in. In rehab. So snack time is over for Missy.

[A]

Yep. Babe, you're doing a wonderful job, though. And look, she is a trooper.

[B]

Yeah, she's doing really great. She's doing really great.

[A]

She's doing. She's in the physical therapy stage. She has a smile on her face.

[B]

She does.

[A]

And it's been incredible.

[B]

So that was a little off subject, but I was going to throw that in there.

[C]

I think that in between you mentioned, though, is so, you know, when you get to this age, I mean, I hate to use the word middle age, but that's where we're all at. And I think that is the transitional time. And I guess we're probably at our strongest at this point in terms of what we've learned from the Almighty to then what we can pass on. But it's just a short hop to them when, like Jay said, then we're there, you know, and so, you know, you realize you just have so many a certain number of days while you're on this earth, so you got to make the most of it. But it is, it is refreshing when you see your. Your kids do well. I mean, I'm proud of all of

[D]

your kids for what they.

[C]

What who they are and what they're accomplishing for the kingdom.

[D]

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[C]

Now my back tells me that my score is very high as well.

[A]

Two nights ago, I fell asleep on the couch and I don't. I didn't have a sleep score, but I woke up and I realized that was zero.

[C]

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[D]

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[A]

Well, then you have these moments that you feel reborn, because was that Revelation 21:5. God makes everything new. So you have this little newborn creation that we spent five days with. Babe. I kind of gave them the short version from the male perspective.

[B]

You have George being born.

[A]

Yeah. But I didn't linger, but. Because I know you were all in on that process.

[B]

Well, I was a little. I was a little on edge because with Francis. So that was their third. Francis is 20 months now, and Maris is four. David is three. Francis is 20 months. And when Brighton went into labor with Frances, I was in town. I was at our farmhouse and read columns like, mom, it's time. It's time. It's time. So I get there, and Brighton's in labor, but she gets to the hospital, and it stops. And so Brighton was like, nope, I'm here. We're settled. The kids are taken care of. I'm having this baby. So she just kind of told the nurses, let's just go ahead and induce and let's get it done. And her body, it was harder on Brighton. She realized that. So this time with George, she said, I'm not going to rush it. If I feel the labor, I'm just going to let it play out, you know? And I was thinking, oh, this is making me nervous. Like, she's walking around for two weeks at 3cm with 50% efface. So I thought, okay, she did this with Frances, so everything is okay.

[A]

Well, for all the men, that means she's getting close.

[B]

She's 3 centimeters dilated, which you're only going 10. So then she goes to the OB the next week, and she's 5 centimeters dilated, and she's 75% effaced. The woman's in labor, and she's walking around town. She's driving. She's got the kids in tow. And I said, brighton, you're going to have this baby in the bathtub. And she was like, no, no, it's going to be. I'm just going to wait it out. This was on Tuesday and Wednesday morning. She. She had him.

[A]

And it was the middle of the night.

[B]

It was the middle of the night. And Reed said at, like, 1:45, she wakes him up. Not because she needed. You know, she was trying to wake him up, but she was moaning

[D]

in

[B]

between contractions, and Reid was like, we need to go to the hospital. She's like, no, no, we're fine. So she's packing her toiletries, you know, and then they realized, okay, we probably need to go. Well, Brighton's mom and dad have a house, like, five minutes away. So Brighton. I mean, Reid calls Brighton's mom, and she doesn't. At some point in the morning, and she doesn't answer. She doesn't have her ringer on. So Reed ends up having to drive over to Ashley's house and bang on the door in the middle of the night and wake her up and get her to come over to watch the kids. So Reed could take Brighton to the hospital. So short story is, they get to the hospital, they get the IV in her. They get the epidural in her when she's 8cm dilated, and she pushes three times, and George is born. So it was very easy delivery. She cut it a little thin in my perspective, but everything turned out to be great. He's 75 and beautiful and perfect, and everybody is doing fantastic. Fantastic. They're amazing.

[A]

That's why I said. When I gave the version of the story. Now you know why I said. When I heard that story from Brighton, I said, brighton, you are now a professional. You've gone pro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the baby birthing business.

[C]

Let me ask you guys. So from your perspective. So now this is number four in terms of when they come. Because I've got. I've got six myself. Well, seven Captain America now. But how does that change in you? Is there anything different between number four and number one And. And the process of that, now you have more grandchildren. I mean, how do you. How does that. How did that change for y'?

[A]

All?

[C]

Because I know it changed some for me, but I'm curious as to how it changed for y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

It's a. I mean, it feels a little overwhelming to me. When I. When I looked at their all. They've all come from the same parents in four years. That's a lot, right? And so I pray that they're on my mind a lot in terms of having to handle everything. But Brighton is. She amazes me. She amazes me all the time. Everything is super calm, you know? And she's got kids running around everywhere. And I know that postpartum is emotional, but over overall, watching them handle four at one time is pretty amazing to me. And I Feel like I need to step in and help, but then I don't want to overstep. They'll ask me when they need help. So I'm kind of, you know, in that, I guess, waiting area of. Because she asked me, what are you doing in April? Like, what's your April plans? I said, it's completely wiped clean. Like, I have put everything off so I can be available for you and. Because she, you know, we want to balance it with her, her parents as well. But Read, a couple of days after we left, I guess we stayed four or five days and we left. And then Reed texted me about again stuff for the farmhouse, and then he sent me a picture and he had all three kids with him in the middle of Home Depot at 8:30 in the morning. And Francis was throwing a fit on the floor and Maris and David are running around in the aisle. And I was like, oh, oh, God, what's happening here? And he was like, oh, yeah, no, it's perfectly fine. It's almost like, what would overwhelm me? It's their life with them. And they've. I'm impressed, I'll say this. I'm. I'm very impressed with the way that they are handling all of this and the way that they do ask for help and the way that they don't ask for help because it is ultimately their responsibility. And I'm super impressed with them.

[C]

Well, I always felt like there's a. There's a wonder about the first time, just like it is like your first child, because for the first time you were becoming a parent. And with Read and Write, it was that way as well. And then, you know, you're becoming a grandparent. But then as they, as you grow into the family, as you mentioned, Missy, it's not that there's a loss of wonder, because it's still amazing to have a child and just the process and just what you were saying. But as. As you described in the story with Brighton, there's also a certain amount of just expectation that you already have and you already know, and so you're just kind of building something. But I compare it almost to like, you know, we've all written books. When you write your first book, it's so hard, it's so difficult, and you don't know you could do it and you did it and you're so proud that you. You got it out there and then you go back and do another one or another project. You still love each project, but they're also different and how they got there Is different. Where you were was different. So there's something about that as we grow our families. And of course, Zach's in the mode of having a married child, about to have another married child. And so you're in that anticipation of the first. But, you know, there's going to be many. Well, when I'm kind of the same way now with the next generation because, you know, we're getting ready for great grandchildren, you know, so it's just. It's amazing, the idea of it all. The I do experience something different as a patriarch of my clan. You know, once you begin to grow generationally, that you just feel a huge responsibility, I think, just for the whole group, you know, that you were about

[D]

to be on the other side, missy, that he's about to be taken care of.

[C]

I'm getting there. I'm getting very close ahead of us.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I will remember when Maris was born, they brought. We were at the farm in Tennessee, and they brought her to our house, home from the hospital on Thanksgiving Day. That was a little bit, like, it was almost too much on point. Are you kidding? Our firstborn is being brought home from the hospital on Thanksgiving Day to our house. It was like the world stopped. Yeah, the world stopped. A grandchild is born. Nothing else matters in this life at all but today and this baby and all of the pictures that we have of even with, you know, Brighton's niece and nephew that aren't even with us anymore, they're just holding Maris and everybody, they're passing her around, and it's just like this delicate little piece of china that, you know, Reid was like, did everybody get shots? You know, it's like, reid, this is post Covid. Nobody's getting shots. That's it. You know, like, you're gonna have to deal with it. We're all gonna be fine because you're first born.

[A]

When we. Same way with him, it was like,

[B]

oh, no, you can't see it. But now with number four, it's like you're holding number four and dealing with the other three at the same time, and he's just gotta. He's just gotta grab ahold. It's gonna be interesting to watch a little boy, you know, look up to his two sisters and his older brother, who is very laid back. His older brother's very laid back. Second born. And his two older sisters are the opposite of laid back. So it's going to be super fun to watch the dynamics of all of this playing out and not have any responsibility for it.

[A]

Oh, it's super fun.

[B]

I'm looking forward to it.

[A]

It's super fun from a distance.

[B]

Yes, it is.

[A]

But what I wanted to say, I think the reason God designed it all this way, I would. I would say because it's made me reflect on. We've had so many Bible studies. We've had so many people who seemingly fell away and then they come back. And one of the main motivating aspects of that is because they had their kids or they have kids, it makes them stop and think, oh, wow. I mean, even Brighton, when she shared her story when we were in Nashville.

[B]

On the podcast.

[A]

Yeah, on the podcast. Her motivating factor for getting into the word, for learning, and because she was looking at her kids and she thought, I have a responsibility here. And so I just really think it. It is a vision of the Creator, God and this precious life. And even when you look at how their body forms in the womb and when they can first see light, I mean, it's just a few weeks into the process and their brain start shows registered activity. All these things, we realize God is giving life. There's a reason that from the spiritual aspect, that being born again, it comes from that basis. And the same thing happens, like when you see someone born again, the same thing happens in your faith. It excites you. There's sons there. We got a new and there's a newborn. And I just think that was God's internal design for us to have these moments of like, oh, wait, I need to figure out what I'm doing and make some corrections here.

[B]

Yeah. And even with all the chaos happening all around us with kids and toys and food, and I'm looking at this little bitty bundle who was two weeks early, just laying on Brighton's tummy, just balled up just like he was just in there, you know, just a few hours before that. And it is like, even Brighton and I sitting there watching this in amazement, it's still amazing. I don't care how many babies are born. It's still amazing. That whole process of birth and how the Lord designed very intricately how all of that was supposed to take place. It's beautiful. It's just a beautiful, beautiful thing.

[C]

So, Jace, you and Missy have been involved in the pro life movement, taking care of a child that was in a situation where a mom wasn't sure what to do.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And thank the Lord that she decided to give birth to this little man. And he's become part of our family. And it's just a reminder of how awesome life is. And that we all at one time were in our mother's womb.

[C]

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[D]

And.

[C]

And so I'm assuming that that meant he was created as a full man. I mean, you know, made and then woman from the rib, same way. And so the very first man, the very first woman weren't brought in the way that children would come after them. But when God decided to become flesh and Jesus of Nazareth, a man was born to Mary. Then he experienced God experienced with the new Adam, which we read about in Romans 5, the actual birth we're talking about. And he's called. Was it in Colossians, James, the firstborn over all creation.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And so this idea you think about, that the. The flesh of. Of God becoming flesh came through birth, even that the first man didn't even get to experience, but Jesus did. And so it really is. I mean, God shows us in his infinite wisdom of even why he became flesh, that part of that is this process we're talking about. So the wonder of that night that we celebrate, you know, all the time, but especially at Christmas time, is. Is the wonder of just what you're explaining. It's this idea that, you know, life is created and it's something very special when it's in a family lineage, obviously, is even more special for us.

[D]

We. We actually got to experience the other Kind of new birth. On Wednesday, we had baptisms here in. Down at the creek in Black Mountain. And we had something happen that I have never had happen before.

[B]

What's that?

[D]

Everybody. Oh, it's crazy. We. So we had everybody out there, probably. I don't know, 75 people were all kind of gathered around. This is. And what's interesting about this, this is at, like, a Christian conference area. That's what this area is known for. And we're down there, and we're baptizing people in the river. Two ladies, by the way, were, like, in their late 70s who had. Their story is pretty amazing. They. They came to our church because during the Helene, their house got hit by a mudslide and was completely just disintegrated. They jumped on a mattress. They. They got swept down the river on a mattress. They're, like, in their 70s. One of them just got out of, like, hip surgery and had, like, a waterproof bandage on. They get buried under a pile of, like. Like, trees and stuff like that. So they're, like, trapped alive under this. This. Like, all this. All this mess. And. And they lived out there on that mattress under this rubble for. For 48 hours.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. That's like, my mom. She just had hip surgery. If my mom got swept up like that right now.

[D]

Crazy.

[A]

If you saw that in the movie, people said that, well, that's unrealistic.

[C]

Yeah, that's not even.

[D]

And they weren't. They weren't believers. And so their. Their story is, is that. That. That they. They had a radical encounter with Jesus while they were out there praying for deliverance. And, I mean. And they're hilarious, too. One that what. They're like sisters. And one of the ladies was telling my brother, whenever they were. He was sharing the gospel with them, and she was like, yeah, she's sitting out there. After about two days, she said, I had to pee. And so I was like. And whatever. I forget. She's literally. She said, I. I hope you don't mind, but I'm gonna have to pee on you because I can't hold it any longer. And her sister said, sweetie, I've been peeing on you for 48 hours. They're absolutely hysterical. And so we had, like.

[C]

I mean, nothing says sisterly love, like, shared your.

[D]

Oh, it was so funny. But so it was kind of funny because Grant was like, you know, it's dangerous down here. You know, we'll help y' all get down here. Y' all got to be careful. Don't trip on a rock. And they're like, honey, we floated down the swan.

[A]

We are good to go.

[D]

Trust me, we'll be all right. So we're in the process of baptizing all these people, and all of a sudden you hear this, like, a speakerphone. Like, I'm talking about, like, loud. It was the cops. And they pulled up and they'd like, hey, we like the baptisms, but y' all can't park here, and y' all got to get out of here. So they. Then the. The head of the retreat association comes out and literally runs us. Y' all can't be doing this. But this is a Christian retreat center. We're baptizing people. People. And people are upset about it. So we've got to figure out a new place to do baptisms, because we have been run off from the Christian retreat center in our area. One of. One of the Christian retreat centers in our area. And so we're looking for a new baptism.

[B]

Zach, you have a pool.

[D]

We could do it in the pool. But people like the living water. They like the. They like the. They like the vibe of the creek. You know, I'm like, so water's water.

[A]

People say, I, I, I. And I think people subconsciously remember there was a guy who I went to this old church, and when. I mean old, like, the people, I was the youngest person there. But there was a visitor that came who was a younger guy, and I think the Lord worked this out. But anyway, I shared Jesus. There was little or no response. Literally just crickets. Old, kind of conservative. And he come up to me because we did an imitation song. And he responded, which caused chaos, because I'm pretty sure no one had responded there in years. And so people were coming to me. I'm the visiting preacher for the day. And they're like, what do we do? I was like, about what? That we have someone who has responded. And I'm like, what do y' all normally do? They say, people don't respond.

[D]

We don't know.

[A]

So I said, well, I'll talk to him. So he's like, I want to give my life to Jesus, and I want to be baptized. And so I said, well, awesome. Because they had what seemed to be a Baptistry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I go back there and look, ain't got no water. It bone dry.

[C]

There's a sermon in there somewhere, Jason. That's a valley of dry bones. So I look around at the guy

[A]

who was seemingly in George, and I'm like, you got a water hose, you know, anywhere? And he's like, I don't know. And so while I'm having that discussion, the fella is watching all this, and he's like, I think I need to go that Mississippi river, which was maybe 30 minutes away. And I was like, well, I'm sure we can get some water. We don't have to drive. Because I was thinking, I don't want to drive 30 minutes the wrong way.

[B]

Pretty sure it was like January or February, too.

[A]

Oh, ye.

[B]

That was during duck season, and it

[A]

was in wintertime, and the Mississippi was way out of his bank. And he said, you don't understand. This was the line, subconsciously that I want to introduce. He said, I've done so many things wrong. And I realized Jesus died for them, but I just think the current needs to take that all the way to the Gulf.

[D]

I got pretty good sins. I need a big river. That's. That's what he was saying.

[C]

That's his life.

[A]

Pretty good, you know, And I thought about, like, getting into the theology of it all, and I was like, you know what? Let's go do it. And it turned out this is so. It's kind of like that story you just told. It seems so crazy on what happened next. I'm sure I've shared this at some podcast before. So we make the drive, and what I found shocking is nobody else from the church wanted to go.

[D]

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[C]

I do.

[A]

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[C]

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[D]

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[A]

just me and him. So we took off, and we get there, and we. I just. There's. The water was so high. We. We basically just got up on the levee, went. Went down it. And I just parked on the side of the levee. There was a little road there. And so we're fixed to go down this walk into the water, and here comes a truck. And wouldn't you. Wouldn't you know it. It was a group of friends that

[B]

knew him from his past life.

[A]

From his past life. And they're like, what's going on here? Because they're looking for the boat. We didn't have a boat. We're wading into the Mississippi River. That's dangerous. And so I got to share Jesus with them, which they were just stunned. And I'm like, y', all. Y' all welcome to join him. But they didn't. But still we planted. Yeah, we planted the seed. But then. Then he. But just look at it from his perspective. He's like, man, you give your life to the Lord. He starts working immediately. He's like, that's the best thing ever happened. Because now they know. This is where. This is who I'm going with. With the Lord.

[C]

But, Jason, think about the historical irony of that for you, because that was your experience of once you became a child of God at a pretty young age, that then you wanted to share that with all your friends, which happened over, you know, a period of time. And here that was happening in an instant, which. Which brings me to something interesting in both those stories, because that. Did I hear you write the. The people that call the cops were the people at the retreat center.

[D]

It was two different. Yeah, they called the cops. So the cop. Yeah, they were at the retreat center. I think they were on a Christian retreat, as a matter of fact.

[C]

Okay, so. So here's my thought, then, about both those stories, because this is part of the problem within our. The Kingdom of God is when you're. When you have no expectation, and so you got your bone dry Baptistry and. Or when you're at a Christian retreat center having your retreat, and then people show up to baptize people into Christ, into the kingdom, and you call the cops on them. I'd say somewhere along the line, somebody's not really trusting in the plan. Yeah, somebody has missed it. Somebody's. I mean, I'm not throwing everybody on the bus. I'm just saying you have to live with an expectation that what we're doing, we're supposed to be passing on so we can, like, win the world for Christ. That's kind of what we're here for, right?

[A]

I used to think that, too, Al. But I'll tell you, when we had our little house that we talked about on a podcast before, we had so many people showing up there, and parking was a nightmare.

[B]

Nightmare.

[A]

And we got the cops called on us so many times. And of course, we were young then, and we were like, it's spiritual warfare. No, it's just basically parking problems.

[D]

We're being persecuted.

[C]

But Jay's. But, Jay, since you're. You're. You're talking about something different. These are people that may or may not believers or not. You're. You're messing in their neighborhood. I get that. That makes more sense to me. But if you're believers, like, if you're meeting for the purpose of spiritual strength and then people are breaking out back, you should have been down there cheering them on, not calling the cops.

[A]

Exactly. Because that. That would have been your segue to the cops, is they're like, I mean, yalls, parking up here is going to kill somebody. And it's like, well, that's why they need Jesus.

[D]

So I tell you, it wasn't that big of a deal. Like, everybody was parked on the side of the road, so they weren't actually blocked. You can still get in and out there for there for 30 minutes.

[B]

Inconvenient for other people.

[A]

That's a disciple of Jesus State. But the government says, hey, you're not allowed. We must enforce the law.

[C]

Well, I like that, Zach. I like that he framed it with, hey, we're glad you're doing baptisms. But, you know, I like that he at least tried to throw you a little bit.

[D]

Yeah, it was shocking. We're glad you're doing baptisms, but you can't park on the side. We're, like, all jolted because it was super loud and it was like. I think it may have been tapped the siren a little bit, like. And then I came over the speakerphone, and then everyone sat there like, what do we do? Do we move our vehicles or do we finish the Baptist? It was like.

[A]

It was.

[D]

There was like, so what did you do? I obey God or do I obey men?

[A]

Yeah, I was going to that passage. I was literally going. I was like this. This sounds like an Acts 3 or Acts 4. Was it 4? We can't help it. You judge for yourselves. But we just, we're. We're not going to shut up about it.

[C]

Did you just speed up the baptisms or what'd you do?

[D]

Well, we were almost done. We had like maybe like two or two or three more and. And it was just like, I was like rapid fire, let's get them in, get them out, you know, kind of thing. We'd already. And. But the problem was the last two we did were the, the two elderly women. And that took more time. Yeah, because it took like to get them in the water and then three people to baptize them. And so just because they were. They. Yeah, they were probably in their 80s. Honestly, they were older women. I mean, their story though is.

[B]

That's pretty awesome.

[C]

It's amazing story.

[D]

And there's a couple. See what happened is there's a couple. This is so cool. And some of you guys on the Unashamed podcast, the money that you actually gave to our church to rebuild these homes. We, we raised enough money to rebuild like six homes. And we're not a big church. Like, we're like, we're, you know, three, 300 people, but we probably raised, I don't know, a million bucks or whatever. It was like our church is like rebuilding these homes. And we have a couple, Oliver and Celestial Balsam, who are, I call them like our. They're kind of like vagabonds. I joke with them a little bit. They're like hippies. They're. They're awesome people. They used to travel around and follow the Grateful Dead and then they would do ministry with the Deadheads as they would come out, which is. Their story is so incredible, but they just love on people. So they've been quietly serving our community, rebuilding these homes. Don't. They don't get paid to do it either. They just like, like Celestial is just doing it as a full time job as a ministry. She won't let us pay her or anything. And so all that money is going back in to rebuild these homes. And so they've been walking with a, this, these two ladies, they're rebuilding their home. And then there's another young lady that was there that got baptized. And so for me, like, I love to see a baptism. Like, I get, I get so excited about that. But what was, what I get more excited about is what I'm looking at like an eight month journey or no more than that. A year and a half journey. That they've been walking with these people, faithfully serving them, embodying the spirit of Christ in their interactions with them. And to see that process play out over a year and a half and it result in three people just on that particular day coming to put Christ on. In baptism, it was like it wasn't dry in the house. I mean, it was, or we were outside, but we were so we were kind of like cops. Kind of killed the vibe a little bit, but it was kind of like, you know what this is? This is a pretty cool story either way.

[C]

Jace, you've got a couple of poochies. And are they both older?

[A]

Oh, it's a complicated story, but they're old.

[C]

What's the hardest part of kind of watching them age?

[D]

You know, they.

[A]

They're part of the family. They have their job, which is mainly to bark at anyone who drives up in the yard. But look, there's a reason that they say our pets are our best friends. And so we try to take care of them.

[C]

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[B]

And so this has been, this was the fourth weekend that we've done and they're from ages 22. And this, this one was 35. We do 22 to 32. But there was a, a 32 year old that wanted to bring her sister who was 35, so of course that's fine. And they came and except for those two sisters, none of these women know each other and none of them have ever met me. And they just step out on faith and come and register for the weekend. And so the, the wife of the man that you're talking about, he came and dropped her off at Logtown. And then he had, I think his camper on the back of his truck that he just stayed in while she was retreating with us. But this group was different from the other three in a few different ways. And it's crazy how God brings these certain women together. But there was a couple of things that happened that we realized, okay, this is different. By Saturday night, we realized that most of these girls, these women grew up in the church, some type of church environment. Growing up, growing, growing up, going to Sunday school, going every Sunday, doesn't mean their families were not dysfunctional, just means they grew up in the church. And I thought by the time I realized that, I realized I need to change my approach a little bit because this is me, I'm talking to a lot of women like me and we still need Jesus. Sometimes it's just massed a little bit better. And so I changed a couple of things, but also during that weekend, there was only 11 of them that came. And because Brighton was having a baby, you know, we thought in mid April, I moved this weekend a little earlier to make sure that I was available for that. So this was a little bit quicker in motion. We had 13, I think, register, and then a couple had to drop out, and it was kind of last minute. So we only ended up with 11. 11 of these young ladies. 5 out of these 11 ladies were raising someone else's children.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Foster. Great. Niece.

[A]

Adoption.

[B]

Adopt. Adoption. A lot of them were just taking in other people's kids. There was one girl who had four foster children and her two biological children. Most of the other ones were taking in family members, children that just, you know, it was breaking down for some reason. These are. These are ladies in their 20s who are doing this. And we realized five out of 11 because one of. One of my friends said, hold on, everybody stop just a second. How many of you are doing this? And five of them raised their hand, thought, this is incredible what's happening here. And another friend of mine said, I think this might be good for you, Missy. Since we have done the same thing raising other people's children. It really helped me listen to them. And of course, me sharing my experience with that really helped them with what they're currently going through. So God was moving in some very different beautiful ways that weekend. But then Saturday night, usually I surprise them and bring them to my home and I cook for them. We had a crawfish boil and I did crawfish pies. And then that's our Jesus night. And what I mean by that is we have a lot of instruction over the weekend, but, you know, none of that matters if you don't know who Jesus is and if you don't want a relationship with him, and if you don't surrender your life to him, trying to get your life right, it's not going to last very long. And so that Saturday night, we really delve into who Jesus is and what surrendering your life means in terms of how he will change you and change the trajectory of your family. And if you haven't done that, you know, you might need to really pray about it and think about it. I don't ever push them to get baptized or, like, they don't have to respond to me. It's between them and the Lord. But, you know, God just moves every time. And I end up with my friends, like, going into the kitchen, cleaning up. Not really, because I don't want to pressure them to think, because I Think it's the celebrity aspect, too, that they. They think that I'm expecting some kind of a response from them. I am not.

[A]

Then you make that.

[B]

And so I kind of exit. We're usually outside, and I kind of exit the area and go clean or go do something, get busy in the house. And then one by one, here they come. Here they come. And I just say, let me. Let me hear your heart. Like, where are you right now? And, man, you can. You can just. And within 10 seconds, you know. You know that they're ready just to give their life to Christ. And, Jase, let me baptize.

[A]

Let you. I didn't say a word.

[B]

I know. I was kind of going. He was watching LSU in the bedroom. And I was like, okay, we got a couple. And he was like, good, go for it. I was like, oh, gosh.

[A]

Well, it's all women. In the past, I would go out there and baptize them, but they've been together the whole weekend.

[B]

It's fine now.

[A]

They're from all over the country. And I'm like, it doesn't really matter.

[B]

It doesn't. I'm just used to the man doing it.

[C]

That's the most common. But you guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but you kind of broke that ice because Jace wasn't there.

[B]

So that's what we did.

[A]

It's like Missy said, we have a weird situation in that we are famous. And so I learned quickly that some people wanted to be baptized by me because they think it's cool to be baptized by Jason. Duck Dynasty. Well, that bothers me. And so I go full scale the other way and try to talk them out of it.

[B]

That's what I've started doing, too, because I'm scared of that. I don't want them to have the Instagram moment. That's not what we're doing. And honestly, that's what the whole weekend sets up to be is like, the opposite of that. They are not there. This age group, 22 to 32, this age group, they are. And we've talked about this, they are longing. They are gasping for the word and for depth and for relationship. So by the time we get Saturday night, all that shallow stuff that you think about, they've come here for all of that. It's not there.

[A]

Yeah, that's gone.

[B]

It's gone.

[D]

Well, that's an. It's an intimate gathering. I mean, that's what I love about it, because it's not a. I mean, it's not this massive production. This is A intimate gathering, which me and Jill have. I mean, that's kind of what we. I'm like, I want to lean into those types of gatherings more.

[B]

Absolutely. Just takes a lot more time.

[A]

But. But I will say this. I noticed yesterday I just ran across this station for the first time in decades. The leading group of people attending Christian churches are. I looked it up because I want to make sure 18 to 34 years old, they're the number one group, not identifying, but meeting on a Sunday morning under the umbrella of Jesus Christ.

[C]

Well, Missy, I'll tell you this, and that's exciting. Jace, there was a. Just because you don't always know the fruit of what happens once they le. Which you don't have to. Right. Because that's a Holy Spirit thing too. But there was one of your young women was we. Lisa and I were flying to do an event, I think it was like two days after. And one of them had had some travel issues. And she came over and approached us and told us who she was, that she had spent the weekend with you guys and then an extra day with your assistant or the person who runs things for you. And so she was telling me that she is an ER nurse.

[A]

And.

[C]

But she had been so moved by Christ even before she came, but now since that point, that she really wanted to expand her nursing into ministry. And so she said, I know you're a pastor, you know, could you give me advice? And so she sat down there with Lisa and I and we probably Talked, you know, 45 minutes before we all took off in our separate directions. But she was so moved by the experience that she understood it was more than just a new beginning. But now this is a kingdom lifestyle, you know, that she wanted to. Of course, my encouragement to her was I said, well, look, don't think about necessarily just leaving your work. You just got to bring Christ with you wherever you are. Because ER nurses and a lot of first responders have. If you're committed to Christ, you have an opportunity a lot of other people don't have to be the hands and feet of Jesus. So if you figure out a way to do that and still do what you like to do, to travel and go places, which she does, and then I had some context for as well. But the beauty of it is she took that and saw it as, now I'm out here, I'm off and running for the kingdom. And so I wanted you to know just from my personal experience of meeting someone, that's what you want from people who then come to Christ. Because it's not just about me. It's about what I can do now for the kingdom.

[B]

Well, and the man that was in the class that morning, his wife was one that was baptized, and they also were raising someone else's child. And she. When I looked at her and I said, you are now going to enter your home. When you get home from this weekend, you're going to walk in your home and God is living inside of you. Now the Holy Spirit is living inside of you. When you cross. Cross that threshold into your home with your family, you have God physically with you. And she just was like, you could. It was a physical reaction. Like, stress was gone, worry was gone. Total peace. It's a beautiful. It's a hard but beautiful weekend.

[D]

That's why. That's why. That's why it doesn't really matter as much on who's doing the baptizing. What matters is who are you baptizing them into? Yes, into Christ. Then that is what you're ultimately testifying to, that God is going to take up his residence in the body of human beings, which is man. I think about. I heard Francis Chan say this one time at a event I was at.

[C]

He.

[D]

He said, what would you do if Mother Mary, like, walked in this room right now and you knew and she was pregnant and you knew that she had baby Jesus in her womb? How would you, like, treat her? And he said, I'm not proposing any kind of Catholicism. Everybody calm down. But just what. How would you. How would you treat her? Would you treat her with. With reverence? Would you treat her if she was housing the living God inside of her womb? And of course, if you start to imagine that, you're like, yeah, you would be like, let me grab the chair for you. And he's like, well, you realize you house the Holy Spirit, so God is living in you.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

So should we treat one another? It was such an interesting example. I'd never thought, like, of how special Mother Mary was for carrying Jesus. We carry the Holy Spirit as believers. What does that say about us, which

[C]

is the beauty of what we do? Well, thank you, Missy. It's always good to have you on the podcast. Keep doing it. Keep doing what you're doing for the kingdom and. And blessing those grandchildren as well. So it's always a pleasure having you. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.