Kelly sits down with psychotherapist and Enneagram specialist Katie Gustafson for a conversation that challenges the way we think about personality, identity, and growth.

Instead of asking “who am I, really?”—this episode explores a different question: what story did you learn to tell to stay safe… and are you still living inside it?

They walk through the nine Enneagram types not as fixed identities, but as early survival stories we wrote in childhood—patterns shaped by our environments, needs, and experiences. From the achiever who equates worth with success to the peacemaker who keeps the peace at the cost of their own voice, these stories may feel familiar—but they’re not final.

The conversation moves into what it actually looks like when those patterns stop working, how those moments show up in the body, and why that tension might be less of a breakdown and more of an invitation to change.

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