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Warfare of Art & Law Podcast
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
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Artists' Rights at Risk: From State Sovereign Immunity to Generative AI
2d ago00:49:37Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailCover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions Show Note: 0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck 1:20 SCOTUS’ 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional 2:00 NC’s technical arguments against Allen’s claims 2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen’s case3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied 6:45 states’ use of sovereign immunity against creators8:50 Jeff Sedlik’s suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo 9:30 Michael J. Bynum’s suit over Texas A&M University’s unauthorized use of Bynum’s 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here)11:00 Allen’s recommendations to artists to protect their work online13:35 Emily Gould’s discussion of LAION case 17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal.19:50 Allen on opt out policy20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA)21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist’s Copyright Society) 23:00 response to UK government’s consultations 24:00 UK House of Lord’s hearings24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability 28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI 33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty’s drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim35:50 UK’s Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan’s approach to sufficient human authorship41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu42:05 Allen’s position on AI44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution47:35 Ed Newton-Rex Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Multidisciplinary Artist Zoë Buckman on Agency, Jewish Personhood & Multiple Truths
3w ago01:00:13Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailPhoto of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Druckershow notes:1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency9:25 her use of embroidery10:40 filmmaking11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum 18:50 power of art22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann 23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work 26:15 her work on Jewish personhood 34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery 41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home42:45 her definition of justice / injustice 45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice49:30 use of vintage textiles51:45 coffee table book52:45 2027 NY show53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her workPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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TEDx Speaker Ronnie Stephens on His Legacy Journey as a Member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes, the Impact of NAGPRA, How Best to Preserve and Celebrate Native American Culture & the Importance of Storytelling
Apr 1901:04:06Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Ronnie Stephens' site and view his TEDx Talk1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma 6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020)9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act17:00 management of allotted land19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land 24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine31:55 Dark Winds series33:30 policy shifts needed 38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity 46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws55:00 definition of justice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers' Director & Founder Alana Kushnir on Antisemitism in the Arts, Education on the Depth of Jewish Culture and History, and the Moral Component of Justice
Mar 2800:53:32Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailPhotographer credit: Simon StrongHere is more information about Alana Kushnir and Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers.Show Notes:1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 433:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency8:00 antisemitism in the arts 13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation 15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self.23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla"31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering)33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre46:50 moral courage as a form of justice48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty 49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio 50:05 Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Iranian-Italian Actor Isabella Nefar on Resilience, Censorship and the Power of Storytelling
Feb 2200:31:53Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailShow notes:1:30 background3:30 My English Persian Kitchen5:15 Sheherazade, narrator of One Thousand and One Nights5:45 My English Persian Kitchen author Atoosa Sepehr’s efforts to address misconceptions about Iranians 7:30 Reading Lolita in Tehran9:45 choice of roles that challenge the stereotype about Iranians10:10 Apple TV series Tehran12:00 defenders of human rights14:25 response to Iran’s formal and psychological censorship of creative community16:45 Artist Soheila Sokhanvari18:30 Women Life Freedom movement21:00 global response to human rights’ violations in Iran23:00 the meaning of justice in terms of accountability 24:20 future projects27:25 legacy / mark of her work 28:55 creative process and connection with other creativesPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Multidisciplinary Artist Bayeté Ross Smith on Art, Technology and Restorative Justice
Feb 101:00:50Tap to summarizeSend us Fan Mailmultidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross SmithShow Notes:2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith’s background, work and collaboration7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues 9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture14:30 employing technology with storytelling20:30 creatives’ protection of their metadata24:40 “art” and “data” as information 27:50 “human authorship” and copyright 34:25 bias proliferation with AI39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness 44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal communityPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Steven Gambardella on Stoicism: Its Benefits and Paradoxes
Jan 1801:03:41Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailPlease visit Steven Gambardella's site here to learn more. Show Notes:1:15 background in the arts4:00 Dutch philosopher Spinoza’s parallels with Hellenistic philosophies5:20 Gambardella’s Become As You Are7:30 “Stoic Kitsch” blog post 9:00 individual agency and collective action11:00 crisis of agency11:20 emergence of stoicism14:00 four-fold root of virtue20:10 four facets of autonomy, perspective, objectivity and control and their relation to the four virtues of wisdom, moderation, justice and courage/fearlessness21:25 Steven's blog 21:45 Stoic view of justice relates to ignorance26:00 moralism27:00 Seneca, tutor and advisor to Roman emperor Nero32:00 applying ancient Stoic ideas in current day35:35 Stoicism and Philosophy Reading Group 38:30 summary of Stoicism: Virtue is the only good; and you have full control over the domain of your soul/your “inner citadel”40:20 Stoicism at a crossroads 43:45 his hope to contribute to a revolution of the soul that encourages a view of the world that is more holistic and spiritual45:40 Question from Susanne van der Meer about the paradox in Stoicism about the responsibility of agency versus a Stoic view of incarceration 55:00 Stoic view of fear and desire1:00:00 Comments from Emily GouldPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Italian IP, New Tech and Art Law Lawyer Massimo Sterpi on Issues Raised by Generative AI and the Future of Agentic AI
Jan 400:55:27Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailIP attorney Massimo SterpiMassimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido Show Notes:1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area5:10 generative AI and copyright6:20 copyrighted works as training data 12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24)14:20 fair use in the US17:05 copyright of outputs23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese"26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI32:30 harmonisation 34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy"43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics”44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity47:55 different standards of creativity 48:30 neighboring rights for AI50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works”50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved52:40 Agentic AI Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Artist Marina Heintze on Art, Activism and the Holocaust
Dec 2100:53:15Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailLink here to learn more about Marina Heintze.Show Notes:1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father3:30 Heintze’s use of materials5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness 7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence”8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters11:20 archival research used in her work13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul" 15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations 19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice21:50 work related to B2 bombers22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice 34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment 42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts 48:10 camouflage IP50:30 design of Arab nation flagsPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part III
Dec 700:59:43Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailPhotographer credit for Anja Neubauer: self-portrait created with an AI tool.Show Notes:2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech13:30 Getty v. Stability finding outputs are not copies so not infringements14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms17:05 US state and federal laws 19:00 need for unified global protection19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 21:40 Defining originality 22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries57:25 Lebofsky’s workPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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